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The Post Office Is Spying On You · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Wait true Insurance. I'm true, I'm a checkup. Get a
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  Speaker 1: true than is? Ohway, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the trap once again, Condom Expadin's here. How's
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  Speaker 1: it going, man?
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  Speaker 2: Put a forever stamp on that.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about the goddamn post Office this week.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Adam, sometimes you come in here and you
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  Speaker 2: break my heart about something that's really near and dear
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  Speaker 2: to me. And practically the only thing I like about
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  Speaker 2: the government is the guy damn post Office, And now
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  Speaker 2: here I go finding out that it's involved in all
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  Speaker 2: the the various things. I mean, the post Office provides
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  Speaker 2: meaningful competition to all the shipping brokers in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And I bet you anything, if these fuckers ever finally
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  Speaker 2: closed the thing. Amazon FedEx ups prices are going to
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  Speaker 2: rise quosly and highly in Unison.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one of those no good options situations
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  Speaker 1: because we obviously need the mail. We need to be
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  Speaker 1: able to send things to each other cheaply. I sell
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of shit on eBay and USPS is significantly
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  Speaker 1: cheaper than FedEx or ups, so it obviously has its benefits,
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  Speaker 1: but also those motherfuckers are spying on us all the time.
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  Speaker 2: And not even just scraping data. No, this ain't a
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  Speaker 2: couple of cookies. Yeah, you know, it's a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot worse than that. And it's a thing we've known
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  Speaker 3: about for a few years.
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  Speaker 1: I've brought it up a bunch of times on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Report came out in twenty twenty one that we'll talk
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  Speaker 1: about in a minute that made it very clear the
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  Speaker 1: Post Office, and by that I mean the United States
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  Speaker 1: Postal Inspection Service, who we will be calling piss for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of this episode.
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  Speaker 3: They're the ones doing it.
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  Speaker 1: And we did an episode a couple weeks ago where
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  Speaker 1: I talked to two former CIA officers and at one
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  Speaker 1: point they mentioned that the CIA doesn't spy on Americans.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to single any listeners out, but
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  Speaker 1: a couple of listeners got in the comments and on
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  Speaker 1: the discord, and we're really put off by these two
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  Speaker 1: dudes saying that the CIA doesn't spy on Americans, because
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  Speaker 1: their pushback was, well, what about mk Ultra, which I
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  Speaker 1: learned about on this very podcast. And again I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to single anyone out. If two people are in
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  Speaker 1: the comments saying it. That means there's like two hundred
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  Speaker 1: other people who are thinking it, but just have better
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  Speaker 1: shit to.
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  Speaker 3: Do than most definitely commenting on a podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like I should address that, and we're
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  Speaker 1: addressed it with this episode. For one thing, MK Ultra
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  Speaker 1: happened in the fifties and sixties, and these two dudes
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to are in their fifties and sixties,
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  Speaker 1: so they weren't even alive when the shit was happening.
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  Speaker 1: One of them was four when JFK was assassinated. So
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  Speaker 1: not only does MK Ultra predate the people I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to, but it also predates that directive that says
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  Speaker 1: the CIA can't spy or operate on American soil. Prior
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  Speaker 1: to like seventy five, they could.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the early years when they're getting a
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  Speaker 2: little more experimental with it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, back when they were, you know, an
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  Speaker 1: offshoot of both the Office of Special Services in the
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  Speaker 1: US and the SS in Germany.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the CIA was.
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  Speaker 1: We had our own version of it, and then after
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  Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip, we were like, goddamn, the Nazis are
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  Speaker 1: good at spying. They got all these cool guys that
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  Speaker 1: are up for grabs and look at how they dress.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, one of.
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  Speaker 2: The greatest images ever is Warner von Braun. I forget
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  Speaker 2: which president, I think it's Eisenhower or something watching an
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  Speaker 2: Apollo launch with the Nazi boarding school scar in his face. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we hired a bunch of them after World War Two,
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  Speaker 1: and you can look it up.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying this as speculation.
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  Speaker 1: The CIA at its inception was half OSS half SS.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, they had some rough and rowdy years in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning there when they were doing human experiments on
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  Speaker 1: people and things of like as part of MK ultra.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, god forbid you wanted to get some pussy
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco back when that was going on. There's
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of yeah, guys waiting for you to try
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  Speaker 2: to test LSD on you and all kinds of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just trying to pay for some strange and
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  Speaker 1: next thing you know, goddamn Sydney Gottlieb is looking at
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  Speaker 1: you through a two way mirror in the other room.
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  Speaker 2: You just want to support your local small business woman exactly,
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  Speaker 2: and then these spooks come in. That sound of bad
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  Speaker 2: yeah that comes up.
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  Speaker 1: A lot on this pod, different uses of spooks uncomfortable
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  Speaker 1: term to throw around. So if you follow the CIA
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  Speaker 1: from the Church Committee, which is where it was decided
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  Speaker 1: they can't operate on US soil up through now, most
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  Speaker 1: of what they do does happen on foreign soil, including
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  Speaker 1: you know Jonestown, which I still maintain was the CIA.
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  Speaker 1: Even the CIA sold crack in LA. Thing the CIA's
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  Speaker 1: part happened in Latin America freeway. Rick Ross was not
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  Speaker 1: a CIA agent. He was a crack dealer. That's a
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  Speaker 1: big difference. He was used by the CIA to sell
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  Speaker 1: drugs in LA, but it wasn't the CIA directly selling drugs.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't their cutout. He built his own empire and
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  Speaker 2: they allowed him to operate it.
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  Speaker 1: And even then it's not like the CIA was alone
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  Speaker 1: in that. Have you seen there's a movie and a documentary.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say. The movie is just called White Boy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I almost watched this. I know exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about. I almost watched it.
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  Speaker 1: About the white cracked dealer in Detroit in the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: That was I believe Matthew McConaughey stars in that, And
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  Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong about that.
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  Speaker 2: Part.
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  Speaker 1: But that was the FBI feeding a dude drugs and
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  Speaker 1: telling him to go out and sell them and then
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  Speaker 1: come back to us and give us all the information
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  Speaker 1: you got.
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  Speaker 3: So the FBI was implicit in that shit too.
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  Speaker 2: Moral of the story. If you're selling drugs in this
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  Speaker 2: country and you feel like these are going way better
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  Speaker 2: than they should be, they probably are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that shit came for him. He eventually got
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  Speaker 1: arrested for selling crack, and when he did, he was like,
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  Speaker 1: but the FBI told me to No one gave a shit.
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  Speaker 1: He still went to prison for it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty good excuse here in Conspiracy the show.
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  Speaker 2: If the FBI told you to do it, we find
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  Speaker 2: you innocent. If you were just following orders in our books.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, Yeah, there's a lot to go around
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to blame for shit like that. And
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  Speaker 1: something I brought up on that episode that I've also
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  Speaker 1: brought up a bunch. I think CIA has just become
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  Speaker 1: kind of a catch all term like Kleenex when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to intelligence agencies.
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  Speaker 2: It's come to mean deep state writ large.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the CIA doesn't need to spy on Americans.
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  Speaker 1: We've got sixteen intelligence agencies in.
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  Speaker 2: This cu fucking the coast, the Guard is doing that
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  Speaker 2: and freaking you know, like they're watching your port number.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the scariest intelligence agency in this country's probably
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  Speaker 1: the fucking Nssay. Yeah, they existed for something like four
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  Speaker 1: decades before it was even confirmed that it was real
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  Speaker 1: that secrecy, and they operate very much in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: This is one one trick that people will throw around
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  Speaker 2: sometimes if you want to be on the lookout for
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  Speaker 2: it is America has like sixteen of these intelligence agencies.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes when they're trying to they'll be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: so there are fifteen agencies that don't have an opinion
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  Speaker 2: on Jeffrey Epstein, so you know, and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's not because fifteen agencies went and conducted a thing
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  Speaker 2: and decided something. It was like, no, they just didn't
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  Speaker 2: fucking look at it in the first place because it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't their purviews that they just throw around, like fifteen
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  Speaker 2: agencies have declined their had no opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the Office of Naval Intelligence probably doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: a dog in that fight. Yeah, so they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to have a fucking opinion. But that, yeah, that means nothing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the NSSA. We got to do an episode on the NSA.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that they were underwater for forty years before
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  Speaker 2: we found out about them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they existed for a long time, just mostly as
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  Speaker 3: a rumor.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like mk ultra and how it found
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  Speaker 2: just a random misfiling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have to push back on this during the
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  Speaker 1: CIA interview episode because one of them pushed back on
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  Speaker 1: the other for saying it. But one of them was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think if the government was involved with
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  Speaker 1: the JFK assassination, they certainly wouldn't write it all down.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, for one, that's how we found
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  Speaker 1: mk Ultra because they wrote a bunch of shit down
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  Speaker 1: and just filed it in the wrong place. But the
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  Speaker 1: other guy, I don't remember who which of them said what,
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  Speaker 1: But the other guy was like, also, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to do something that complicated, you have to write it down.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just trust everyone involved to commit it to memory. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: going to have to put some shit to paper and
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  Speaker 1: then hopefully remember to shred or burn that shit.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to know that the motorcade is heading
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  Speaker 2: what direction at how many miles per hour? At what time,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so many details and yeah, the NSA one of
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest things that has happened to me in recent years.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like most people have forgotten about this. But
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  Speaker 1: there was a thing that happened in like twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen something like that, where I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day. A bunch of people got these like
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  Speaker 1: phantom text messages that just came out of nowhere. I
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  Speaker 1: knew it was happening because I got a reply from
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  Speaker 1: my friend Vanessa Gritton that was just all question marks,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like what, And she sent me a
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  Speaker 1: screenshot she had gotten this text for me that I
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  Speaker 1: had actually sent months ago, like months and months ago,
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  Speaker 1: and it was I don't even remember what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that it was clogged up in the shoots somehow.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What was weird about that to me was as soon
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  Speaker 1: as it happened, the company involved was like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 3: You fixed the server. It's nothing.
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  Speaker 1: It was only like thirty thousand texts something like that.
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  Speaker 1: If it was only that limited number of texts, why
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  Speaker 1: did I know so many people who it happened to?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all fucking three two three LA numbers.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it was like all la fucking comedians, it seemed,
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  Speaker 1: and comedians I knew, And it's like, what are the odds?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a group. Do you do something to comedians,
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  Speaker 2: you'll hear about it. It's a chatty group.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. And I did look into it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. And the company that ran that server that
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  Speaker 1: apparently got clogged or whatever, they contracted with the NSA.
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  Speaker 1: So once they were like, no, it was just a
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  Speaker 1: server issue. It's fine. Everyone moved on. But it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but what was that server?
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  Speaker 3: What was it for?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, it was the cause of the clog in
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  Speaker 2: the first place. Why were you holding these text messages
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  Speaker 2: instead of just delivering them? Well, how are they piling
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  Speaker 2: up here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if you're company that contracts with the fucking NSA,
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  Speaker 1: those are questions.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you contract with the NSA, you open yourself
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  Speaker 2: up to all kinds of unemployed guys making queries and
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  Speaker 2: inquiries about what you're doing. Yeah, you know, that's just
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  Speaker 2: you just have that coming when you take that deal
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  Speaker 2: with the devil.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, So let's talk about the USPS and their spy program.
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  Speaker 1: We've known that since at least twenty twenty one that
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  Speaker 1: the Postal Inspection Service PISS has been spying on our
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  Speaker 1: social media and this was a story that people covered it,
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  Speaker 1: but it didn't make the headlines you would expect.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like finding out Santa Claus is tracking
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  Speaker 2: my data. It's like, oh, the Post Office, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not if it's the NSA or the CIA or
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  Speaker 2: one of the big scary three letter guys, then you
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  Speaker 2: going out, I don't want them to having my data.
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  Speaker 2: But you're like, the fucking Post Office, what are they
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  Speaker 2: going to do? Organize it? Pussies?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I bet that is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people's thinking. But I mean the question is, sure, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to do anything with it, but who are
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  Speaker 1: they giving it to? Who are they giving that information too?
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  Speaker 1: Is the question. And what we found out in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one was that the Postal Inspection Service was running
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  Speaker 1: a covert operations program to monitor American social media posts
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  Speaker 1: for extremist activity. One of the things that came up
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  Speaker 1: when this story broke was that when they pitched this
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  Speaker 1: idea the Post Office, because remember this was happening at
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  Speaker 1: a point when Trump was floating the idea of, hey,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should just abolish the post office in twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: that was a lot of talk from Trump was we
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  Speaker 1: should probably get rid of it. This was their plan
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  Speaker 1: to save themselves, was Okay, what if we start doing
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  Speaker 1: some other shit like spying on people for the government.
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  Speaker 1: And when they pitched this plan, they went to Democrats
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  Speaker 1: and were like, dig, we can use this to spy
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  Speaker 1: on right wingers. And then they went to Republicans and
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  Speaker 1: we're like, we can use this to spy on leftists.
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  Speaker 1: And both sides were like, cool, let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: See America, I know one love fuck you, fuck you.
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  Speaker 1: We mentioned all all the time. Once the government agrees
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  Speaker 1: on something, buckle up.
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  Speaker 3: It's bad.
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  Speaker 1: When both sides are like, sounds like a good idea,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably a bad idea.
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  Speaker 2: Very rarely is like the idea, let's send you an
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  Speaker 2: eight hundred dollars check.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes and that's always.
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  Speaker 2: Great, let's fit the road.
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  Speaker 3: Very rarely.
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  Speaker 1: So it's basically just a tool that is in the
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  Speaker 1: hands of whatever administration wants it. It was in Biden's
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  Speaker 1: hands when we first found out about it, because it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one so a lot of people on
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  Speaker 1: the left didn't give a shit. We were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: monitor those fucking right wingers, keep them from storming the
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  Speaker 1: capitol again.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there's a founding father that has one
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  Speaker 2: of those handy dandy little quotes for this, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: imagining the power. Do you have the other person using it?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard it. I just don't know what fucking Thomas
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  Speaker 2: Paine witthism it is specifically.
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  Speaker 3: It's absolutely correct, though. That is what you need to
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  Speaker 3: think about.
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  Speaker 1: If you're on the other side and you know your
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  Speaker 1: side passes something that the other side is like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: that could be used to hurt Americans, your response should
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  Speaker 1: not be yeah, not me, not this American, other Americans.
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  Speaker 1: It'll come around full circle and hurt you someday too.
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  Speaker 2: Well. And this, yes, this applies to like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Imperial boomerang overseas too. Yeah, you know, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: they tried it out in Gaza and now we're doing
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  Speaker 2: it in Chicago exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And the programming question is known as ee coop.
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  Speaker 2: Which this just harkens back to that era from like
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and four to two thousand and eight were
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  Speaker 2: the only way to make people know that your brand
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  Speaker 2: was a cool technology brand was to just put a
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  Speaker 2: lowercase eye in front of it. And even if you
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: didn't have a lowercase eye technology, but you could do
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  Speaker 2: that shit for you could be the fucking eye candy
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  Speaker 2: and it's just a box of candy. There was eye everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no reason for the eye to be
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  Speaker 1: lowercase in this acronym, but it is.
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  Speaker 3: It absolutely is.
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  Speaker 2: They do that on their official media and shit, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's so lame.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not like the eye stands for IF or
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's not that. It doesn't stand for a small word.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it stands for Internet Covert Operations Program.
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  Speaker 3: That's all be caps. That should all be caps.
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  Speaker 2: So it's got the lame little two thousand's I thing
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  Speaker 2: and the word cop in it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope they pitched it with one of those
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  Speaker 1: old school iPod ads with just the white silhouette danceing
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  Speaker 1: colid color background.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, just the white silhouette running from a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of other white coilhoettes with billy clubs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just getting dragged into a van by DHS. So
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  Speaker 1: as part of this program, analysts trawl through social media sites.
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  Speaker 2: Which I've heard of the Post Office, but this is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going through posts all day.
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  Speaker 1: They are looking for inflammatory posts, which are then shared
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  Speaker 1: with the various government agencies of the world.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of kids sliding down the hole in Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Cursed Neck. Post office saw that shit, dude, and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't think it was so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. That is exactly what the Post
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  Speaker 1: office is doing right now. If you got canceled for
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  Speaker 1: making jokes about Charlie Kirk, you might have your local
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  Speaker 1: host man to blame.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: But back in twenty twenty one, they were using it
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  Speaker 1: to monitor right wingers. So again, no one on the
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  Speaker 1: left hard in the slightest and we went really hard
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  Speaker 1: in the paint defending the USPS. And I want to
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: make it clear, I'm fine with the USPS as a
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: mail delivery service.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't want them spying on us. Could we
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: abolish that part?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Can we kind of look a piece of sushi, cut
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: it out from the rest of the Yeah, yeah.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Or just have piss go back to doing what they're
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: supposed to do, which is monitor for threats to the
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: post office, where threats to postal employees or postal infrastructure.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Sure, the location of neighborhood dogs. Yeah, yeah, that is
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: perfect for this kind of shit.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But now they're using it to find protests and things.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Well, they did this to kind of save their ass, right,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: you know, to add some utility to the post office brand.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's what's selling in this administration. It's
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: an information economy, and that's just what's moving right now.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get to a story later that explains
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: how much of a miscalculation it was for people on
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the left to ignore this story. Here's a quote from
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the article we'll link to about this. While posts on
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: platforms such as Facebook and parlor have allowed law enforcement
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: to track down and arrest rioters who assaulted the capitol
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: on January sixth, such data collection has also sparked concerns
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: about the government surveilling peaceful protesters or those engaged in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: protected First Amendment activities. End quote. I'm sure it will
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: never come to that in this country. What are they
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: going to do deport people for criticizing Israel? Come on,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: that would never happen.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Well, and you know, the January sixth ers their heroes
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in our culture.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are the ones out there keeping us safe
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: from five year old school kids in Minnesota.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yep, running all over the streets.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The January sixth people reminds me so much of one
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: titler lionized everyone that died in the beer hall putsch Yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Or even their push to give Ashlee Babbitt was that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the name of the woman's shot.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: On January sixth?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I think so they.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Wanted to give her like military funeral honors. Two government
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: agents executed people in the streets in Minnesota, and no
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: one has a word to say about that on the right,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but trying to storm the.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Capitol state funeral, Yeah, exactly.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So to show how little difference there is between one
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: side using stuff like this as opposed to the other side,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: listen to this quote from the Department of Homeland Security
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: defending the program back when Biden was the one using it,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: and just tell me how different it sounds from something
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the Trump administration would say today.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Here goes.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: We know that this threat is fueled mainly by false narratives,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and extremist rhetoric read through social media and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: other online platforms. End quote, that's exactly what Trump is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: saying about the left now exact same thing. It's just
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: when this story came out.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: They said it a lot more articulately.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely flows a lot better, sounds a lot
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: less like AI wrote it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: There's no like sidebar about Arnold Palmer having a huge cock.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it doesn't reference your mom.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Or a ballroom.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of what Trump is saying about
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the left now you could fit it into that more
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: eloquently worded statement about the right back in twenty twenty one.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And either way, it's just the government acknowledging that the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: same government department that literally sends someone to your home
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: six days a week is also monitoring your social media
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: posts to make sure you love the government enough. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that's not to say you shouldn't trust your male carrier.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're the foot soldiers in this.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're peering through the blinds going there this.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah pretty nice TV. Huh.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That was the other thing about that CIA interview, which
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I assume would hold here with you know, male carriers
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: versus piss. The CIA is so compartmentalized. One person working
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on one thing isn't gonna know what someone in another
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: department is working on.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It's just not that way.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Like everything I've ever read about the CIA is like,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: we're not, you know, having pep rallies in the office
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and going over what everyone else is working on. It's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a very secretive organization. And one of the questions I
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: didn't get to for those two CIA officers was, Okay,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you say none of this stuff is happening, but would
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: you know, Like, how would you know? And I don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: think your friendly neighborhood mail carrier is privy to any
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of this shit.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't go harassing them.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, leave them alone, they're fine, give them a tip
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: at Christmas.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I forgot. You're completely ruining my biggest fantasy, which is
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to move to a mid sized town in the Midwest
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and become an alcoholic mailman. Oh shit, Yeah, you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: just drink my days away and fucking huck letters could
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: do worst.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this episode will ruin that for you, for sure.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I know this. My Charles Bukowski dream is slipping between
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: my fingers.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Although you never know.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I shit talk ancient aliens all the time and still
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: ended up on an episode of a History Channel show.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: So they didn't do their due diligence.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I am, but you know how you watch every hour
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of what a guy said?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I haven't been back on the History Channel
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: since then, so I might have just fallen through the cracks.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But they did a thing on Mariah carry Or No.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I was on the season three finale of History's Greatest
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Mysteries talking about the Chicago Thailand all Murders because I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: had done one podcast episode about the Chicago Thailand all Murders.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I guess a guests dropped out and I was last
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: second replacement. Don't get me wrong, I did great. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: am interviewed the most by far in the episode, but
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I was a.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Last second replacement.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: That's our boy.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It was a really eye opening thing. I feel like
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a show like that would actually be pretty easy to make.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is a bunch of fucking people talking
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: straight to the camera.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they tell you what to say. They're not
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: interviewing you and asking your opinions. They give you a
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: bunch of lines to say, and just whoever says them
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the best gets featured the most.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Whoever has the most interesting hair.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that wasn't me. They made me go hatless
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So well, if you go shoeless next time you can.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah a trick.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: If I put my last two toes down, it looks
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: like my feet are throwing the devil horns.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That's cool. I do like that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So also in this article, we'll link to about this
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: story from twenty twenty one. They ask a bunch of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: national security experts what they think of this HISS spying program,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and they were all skeptical, but one quote in particular
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: was especially striking to me. Here goes, I just don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: think the Postal Service has the degree of sophistication that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you would want if you were dealing with national security
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: issues of this sort.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: That's a sentence you love to read the pet government.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually don't believe it. The Postal Inspection Service.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I've mentioned this a bunch of times for lack of
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a better way to put it. They kind of solved
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: mass shootings in the nineties. I don't know how many
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: people listening are old enough to remember, but there used
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to be a phrase for when a person snapped at work,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and it was called going postal. And it's because in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the nineties, post office employees were showing up to work
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and fucking slaughtering their colleagues with guns.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: In the nineties when all that violent rap music came out. Yeah, coincidence.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I absolutely blamed Doctor Dre But keep their.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Heads ringing was about the post Office.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: The Postal Inspection Service finally looked into, all right, why
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: are our employees fucking shooting each other on such a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: regular basis, And they actually figured it out. What it
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: was was the Post Office was hiring ex military people
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: who were coming to their jobs at the post Office
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: and treating it both the job and all the people
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: underneath them like it was still the military and just
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: being like drill sergeants to their fucking employees, and it
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was making people fucking go nuts.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I can very much see this happening. This is a
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: genre of guy that takes his job too seriously. This
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is my manager at Old Navy. He looked like Lord Voldemort,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: but with like he did CrossFit and he had like
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: a wiry build and he was just had these bald
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: head with these sunken eyes. And this motherfucker loved Old
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Navy like it was the United States of America. Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he was unbelievable, and I think he was ex military,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and you know, everything he said was like when you
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: put down a box, make sure you pick up another box,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: so you're never walking without a box. I should'll wear
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: on you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I as a team worked at Burger King for a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: few years, and at one point they hired an ex
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: military guy who only lasted a couple of days. He
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was one of the most intense motherfuckers I've ever met
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: at work, and I think his breaking point. You were
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: allowed to drink soda for free, but you had to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: put it in a plastic cup, and he fucked up
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: and put his in a regular paper cup and the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: manager comes to him and goes, you have to put
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that in a plastic cup, otherwise it's considered stealing. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: hearing considered stealing. Set that motherfucker off. He was so
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: goddamn offended. I thought he was going to fight that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: woman and he like quit the next.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Day his honor man.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And that's what was happening at the post office.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the shootings I think like eighty
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: five to ninety percent were committed by veterans. So a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: bunch of fucking idiots at the time were like, oh,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the post Office should stop hiring veterans, and it's like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: but not all the shootings are being carried out by veterans,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so what about those? Is that just well, that's an
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: acceptable amount of shootings now if we just stop hiring veterans.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: And the Postal Inspection Service looked into it more and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's kind of veterans, but not the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: way you think. It's US hiring veterans who treat this
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: job like the military. And they just trained mass shootings
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: out of the post office base.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Wow, they told them to chill out.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so don't tell me shit about how the Postal
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Inspection Service doesn't have the chops to handle monitoring our
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: social media for threats.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: They solved mass shootings.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's the slightly difference to skilled in managing data,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: like knowing how servers work. I get the impression that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: what he was talking about, But no, that's pretty amazing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that story. I knew that phrase.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But it is them proving they can identify a threat
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: because you would think, Okay, we got a bunch of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: mass shootings, where's the threat coming from?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: What's causing this? And it turned out.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: It wasn't the people shooting, it was the people they
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: were working for.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So that takes some chops.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: The Post Office is, okay, we're going to solve mass shootings.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: We're at large this time. It's a weird answer, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: hear us out. It's both too much and not enough prozac.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's just the incorrect amount.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have heard some suggestion that a big
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: part of mass shootings is just fucking everyday stress work,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: stress shit like.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That fucking tapering off your SSRIs. That's stressful. You know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: You hear that one a lot.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if the Postal Inspection Service could
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: put a dent in mass shootings in this country.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Who knows. I know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't want them fucking monitor in my social media,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: although that ship is sailed. After I found one of
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: these stories that we'll talk about in a minute, I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: did that leftist thing and immediately hopped on blue Sky
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and posted abolish the post Office and just linked to it,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and someone saved that post.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Uh oh, was that the post Office?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Probably you're gonna be jumping at stamps. The post Office
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: gets all the junk mail that get sent to my house.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: That's the original version of the algorithm kind of that
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: was your feed, you know, so they know your analog algorithm.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So after the news broke in twenty twenty one about
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this spying program, an outfit called Electronic Privacy Information Center EPIC,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: much better acronym than PISS.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Even worse acronym than PISS. I say, it's EPIC. EPIC
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Bacon time, adam, Oh.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose I just fuck with bacon though.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Bacon's great, and the word epic is actually pretty useful
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: in writing. But they've been ruined for us forever.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It was getting thrown around way too much for a.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeile, similar to putting an eye in front of things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: EPIC was also got to the out.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like extreme in the nineties.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, So EPIC filed a lawsuit against the USPS over
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the spying program, and it was decided that sure enough,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: PISS acted outside the boundaries of the law in administering
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the program, except it wasn't decided as part of the lawsuit.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: The lawsuit was thrown out, but mysteriously, the same day
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the lawsuit was dismissed, USPS Inspector General issued a report
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: saying that sure enough, they probably.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Broke the law as part of this program.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Because you see, this program was supposed to be about
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: identifying threats to postal employees and postal infrastructure.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: It's the most pretentious way to say mailboxes, total infrastructure.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're coming up on another fucking seventy five cent
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: word here in a second. The Inspector General's report found
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that the ICOP program unlawfully used an open source intelligence
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: tool to search for keywords like protest, attack, and destroy,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: while intentionally omitting terms that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Would indicate a postal nexus.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Oh good, I know exactly what that means.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: A postal nexus.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Just say connection. Come on, it's one of the main
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: rules of sales. Don't use technical jargon. If you're trying
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to pitch something to people, put it in layman's terms.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's true of technical copywriting too.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Is it your job to take this esoteric content and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: distill it into some sort of meaningful short form? For me,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, English Majors, is what I say.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: This report determined that as much as twenty eight percent
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: of the intelligence gathering requests may not have been authorized
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: under the Postal Inspection Services legal authority, including fourteen requests
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: for facial recognition services that contained very little or no
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: explanation for the request. Report also found that PISS didn't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: properly maintain records, including keeping targets personally identifiable information including addresses,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: birth dates, and social Security numbers on their work computers.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't put this part in the notes because I forgot,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: but I found it very entertaining. One of the articles
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we linked to mentions that when they were questioned about
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this part about keeping people's personal information on work computers,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they were asked what they were doing with that information,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and their response was telling you would be a violation
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: of people's privacy.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's some pretty good spying on you. Jiu jitsu.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is gymnastics.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's almost like the Jeffrey Epstein thing. Well, we can't
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: show you any of the evidence because it's all child porn.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: If you want us to release it, you're just saying
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you want to release child porn. So you know that's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that's you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a pervert if you want to see the
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Epstein files. Now, apparently the report also expanded on the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: things the USPS was using to spy on people, adding
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: cryptocurrency analysis into the mix. So so much for that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: shit being anonymous.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: That's not really a feature of cryptocurrency.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I heard that recently too, and I feel like it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: always been pitched as a feature.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Well it was back in the day. It was relatively
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: anonymous because just no one was using it and you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: could just use it for drugs. But a blockchain is
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a public ledger of transactions, with every transaction that has
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: ever happened on the blockchain contained in the code. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it's like the most public thing. It's like if you
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: could post something on the Internet and you couldn't delete it,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the Post Office is on that shit too.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: There, am I come after your z cash or manio?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Those are the ones that you used to for human
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: trafficking now, I guess, Oh yeah, privacy coins, it's a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: whole thing.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the one I use for human trafficking,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to give away the trade secrets.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Tornado cash connor come on, Okay, sorry fucking letting it
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: all out.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Who are you the Post Office?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So it should go without saying that if USPS is
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: spying on your social media, they're obviously spying on your mail.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I have mentioned a few times. I did an episode
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: about a book from the sixties called The CIA and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Cult of Intelligence, which a disgruntled former CIA agent wrote,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and it was actually the first book the US government
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: ever went to court to try and censor, and they
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: did get a bunch of it censored, but not enough.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's a fascinating book. Apparently the guy who wrote it
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: is a fucking fuck face. Now, who knows.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: That's probably what I got a three point nine on Goodreads.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a fascinating book.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: No. We've talked about this book a lot. I've been
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: meaning to read this for a minute.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And one of the things he brings up as the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: night mayor scenario of surveillance is, well, what if it
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: gets to a point where the post Office is just
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: making a copy of every envelope you receive and storing
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that somewhere. And that was the doomsday scenario in this book.
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  Speaker 1: And now it's just a thing you can opt into.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: The post Office will send you an email that shows
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you everything you have coming in the mail. So they're
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: obviously scanning your mail. It's just a matter of do
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you want them to show you or not.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: It's just kind of like when they roll out any
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: new surveillance technology is like we talk about it for
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: years and it sounds a little scary, but they design
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it so that you fucking like it. Yeah, it's a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: convenience for you. You know, you're like, oh my god,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: now my phone shows me all these things they like
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: because of all the things I watched that I like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: This is great and you don't realize it's being used
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to sell you all this shit. And I figure where
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I was going with this, and I'm just ranking about
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: the algorithm in general.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of all the controversy around ring doorbells
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: right now, where on the one hand, yeah, those can
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: be used to make a massive surveillance system in this country,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: but also some people need to know if ice is
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: at the door. Yeah, And shout out to podcast listener
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Travis Wolfe. I reposted a thing he posted on Blue
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Sky making that exact point. I don't want to take
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: credit for it, but that is a valid point. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: just saying oh, well, don't use a ring doorbell, then
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like lesser brands are gonna be even less secure.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: That's not a solution either. It's really a no win situation.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: That's another thing. Have a camera hooked up out of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the front of your house so we can see what's
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: going on in your front yard at all times. No, no, no,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: trust me, you're gonna want You're gonna pay big money
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: for this. Yeah, you'll like it. It'll be great, it's
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: gonna be fine, it's gonna be fun.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It is a no win situation.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And as far as the Post Office spying on your letters,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it's actually worse than Oh, it's just a thing you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: can opt into now. Washington Post was first to report
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on this back in twenty twenty four. Between twenty fifteen
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty three, PISS inspected over three hundred and
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: twelve thousand letters and packages, making notes on the sender
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and recipient of the parcel. Did this at the request
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: of federal agencies, including the FBI, dhs IRS, and ICE.
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  Speaker 1: Over sixty thousand mail cover requests were received during that
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: time period. That's what they call it when they want
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to see the front of your mail. Ninety seven percent
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: were approved. There's no external oversight over the approval process.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: A judge doesn't have to approve the application or request,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and this has actually been part of Postal Service regulations
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: since eighteen seventy nine.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Nice to have that grandfathered in. Yeah, when you need
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: to do some unconstitutional shit, it's like, oh, I'm actually
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: allowed to searchencies that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is speaking of search and seizure. This
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: is still legal under US law, but a nineteen seventy
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: eight lawsuit did determine that mail cover requests constitute a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: search and seizure by the government. So the Feds are
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: supposed to have to jump through a bunch of hoops
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to do shit like that, but with the post Office
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in your mail, they don't.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: So don't mail me anything cool, Yeah, keep it on
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: signal or WhatsApp. I guess.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's almost nowhere you can go anymore to be
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like completely anonymous. So during the Church Committee hearings in
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the mid seventies, another piss spying initiative was revealed that
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: paired them up with the CIA. It was called ht
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Lingual and ran from nineteen fifty two until nineteen seventy three.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: As part of the program, twenty eight million letters were
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: examined at CIA locations and over two hundred thousand pieces
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of mail were illegally opened. Program targeted anti war and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: civil rights activists, academic scientists, artist writers, et cetera. So
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the CIA used to spy on Americans, but when it
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: comes to the post Office, to paraphrase one of my
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: favorite comics, Mitch Hedberg, they used to spy on Americans.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: They still do, but they used to too. That was
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: his quote about doing drugs.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Hello, No, I love that joke.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: It's such a good joke. God damn.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: An elevator cannot be broken and it can only temporarily
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: become stairs.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the convenience. Fucking love Mitch Edburgh so much.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So that's all bad.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: All of that.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty five, we once again very
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: much under the radar, learned that PISS teamed up with
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the Ultimate Villain, signing on to aid in Trump's deportation efforts.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: What are they providing to accomplish those goals, you might ask?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Immigration officials were granted access to pisses quote broad surveillance
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: system including postal service, online account data, package and mail
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: tracking information, credit card data and financial material, and IP addresses,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: along with mail covers. For the record, USPS delivers three
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen million letters, hosts seven million visitors to
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: their website, issues two hundred and nine thousand money orders,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and processes ninety three thousand address chain. Just every day,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: we give a shit ton of personal information to the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Post Office, and they are sharing that shit with Trump
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to help him snatch a buela's in school kids off
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the street and send them to concentration camps.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, this guy's on a lot of blue chew.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Must be low te he'll use the pickens exactly.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, tell me more about how I should get
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: up in arms at two retired CIA officers because they
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: said the CIA doesn't spy on Americans anymore.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think they do. Your post office is doing it,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Nessay is doing it.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: This is classic Adam tid Brown. What actually what you're
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: mad about? Me?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It's the post Office? Yeah, in the post Office. It's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: their fault. But I do think it's concerning no very.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't know any of this shit. Yeah, it's believe
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: there's people send three hundred and eighteen million letters a day.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: We have three hundred and eighteen million useless pieces of
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: coursemondent's every day that have to be moved.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is nuts. And it's like, who's even still?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still use the post Office all the time.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I guess I was gonna say, who's still sent letters?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: But I just sent a friend of mine a little
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: gift and a little note in it. I guess that's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that's just because.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You're a good guy. There's not people like you. You're unique.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and now I'm gonna be in guantanamo for it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Probably know it's fuckers sent a letter. Yeah you believe
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that shit. Yeah, I'm sure that package I sent is
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: going to get checked.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: I have had. Here's the thing.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I buy and sell a lot of sports cards, So
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I do sometimes get mail that's been like ripped open,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm always like, is that a thief for the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: government I don't know.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Or is it a guy who's like, okay, Griffy Jr.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: See, I pulled up a baseball player real quick like that.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: They can't usually do that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: That was a solid pull. That was a very solid pull.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: So I think that's our episode. Keep an eye on
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the post office everybody. They're keeping an eye on you.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And again I mean the Postal Inspection Service, the people
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: at your local post office.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: They're fine.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Probably they're probably just as depressed and checked out as
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: any other glorious post office employee.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would go postal if they could afford the guns.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: They don't have an self esteem for that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the nineties anymore. Wages are going down.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Boy are they? No shit? I mean, my Conspiracy the
• 40:08
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• 40:12
  Speaker 3: I know, I know.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So that's our episode. We did it, Connor, thank you
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: so much for doing the pod. What do we have
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: to plug before we get out of here? I promised
• 40:23
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• 40:26
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• 40:29
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• 40:59
  Speaker 1: There's more here is coming, Connor, what do you want
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to plug?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I want to plug the Patreon for you don't even
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: like podcasts because there's nothing worse than receiving targeted ads,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: because then you know what a computer thinks of you. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, okay, I guess this computer thinks
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not satisfying my girlfriend's all right, that's nice. Let's
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• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Connor expad and live in Tucson.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: And I think that's it. Let's get the funk out
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: of here. Connor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye everybody.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: We love you,