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Murders Solved By Psychics · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Crime, conspiracy, serial killers, cults, and murder. All things that
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Speaker 1: I love to consume, and I know you do too,
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Speaker 1: you sick, beautiful, intellectual-minded freak. And today, we are going
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Speaker 1: to talk about... What are we talking about? We are
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Speaker 1: talking about.
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Speaker 2: Psychics and murder. And how they both come together... and make.
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Speaker 3: Why do I sound like... I literally sound like the
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Speaker 3: pastor from The Princess Spide.
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Speaker 2: Marriage! Marriage! Brings us together today. Sorry, I'm getting... I'm
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Speaker 2: getting sidetracked. Marriage!
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Speaker 3: Today, we are going to be talking about psychics and
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Speaker 3: how they have solved multiple murders or helped.
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Speaker 2: In solving multiple murders or... Is it just a hoax? Maybe. Probably.
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Speaker 2: Probably not. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: But I do have a very special guest that is
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Speaker 3: going to be in the last part of this video
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Speaker 3: that is going to give their testimony of how they
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Speaker 3: quite literally helped find a dead body due to psychic happenstance.
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Speaker 3: And I think you guys are going to enjoy it
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Speaker 3: a lot, so stay tuned for that. But without further ado,
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Speaker 3: let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go Mach 5 down the highway,
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Speaker 3: slam on the brakes, and bust through this windshield into these.
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Speaker 4: creepy psychic cases together.
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Speaker 3: So the first case we are going to talk about
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Speaker 3: is the murder of Suzanne Jacobson. Suzanne Jacobson was born
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Speaker 3: February 5th, 1962 in Staten Island, New York. She was
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Speaker 3: the second oldest of seven children in the Jacobson family.
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Speaker 3: And her parents, Bill and Ellen Jacobson, resided at 30
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Speaker 3: Anderson Avenue in Port Richmond neighborhood of Staten Island. And
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Speaker 3: the Jacobs household was bustling with activity due to the
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Speaker 3: enormous amount of children. And Susan often helped babysit her
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Speaker 3: younger siblings. And at 14 years old, Susan was described
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Speaker 3: as a responsible and caring individual. She was known for
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Speaker 3: her very warm personality and was very well liked by
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Speaker 3: all of her peers. And academically, she did very well
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Speaker 3: in school, showing promise for a very bright future. And
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Speaker 3: Susan was also very much looking forward to gaining independence
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Speaker 3: through part-time work, which led her to seek employment at
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Speaker 3: a local ice cream parlor. So in the summer of 1975,
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Speaker 3: Susan would begin dating a 16 year old named Dempsey Hawkins,
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Speaker 3: who lived nearby. And the relationship was just typical teenage romance,
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Speaker 3: but became very complicated over time because in January, 1976,
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Speaker 3: Susan would become pregnant and subsequently she would have an abortion.
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Speaker 3: And following this event, her parents encouraged her to take
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Speaker 3: a break from the relationship to focus on her wellbeing
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Speaker 3: and education. But despite this advice, Susan and Dempsey continued
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Speaker 3: to see each other secretly. And on May 15th, 1976,
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Speaker 3: Susan would leave her home at around 1pm to interview
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Speaker 3: for a job at Ralph's Icy's, an ice cream parlor
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Speaker 3: located at the intersection of Catherine Street and Port Richmond Avenue.
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Speaker 3: And she would be dressed in blue denim pants, blue
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Speaker 3: sneakers with yellow shoelaces and a white tube or halter
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Speaker 3: top and a long sleeve beige blouse. And notably, she
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Speaker 3: also wore blue tinted wireframe glasses and had long light
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Speaker 3: brown hair parted right down the middle. And when Susan
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Speaker 3: didn't return home for dinner, her parents started to grow very,
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Speaker 3: very concerned because this was not how she was. She
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Speaker 3: was a rule follower. She was never late for dinner.
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Speaker 3: And they would end up calling police to report her missing,
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Speaker 3: feeling that something was very amiss. But the initial response
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Speaker 3: from the police was very dismissive. Authorities suggested that Susan
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Speaker 3: had likely just run away, possibly even with her boyfriend.
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Speaker 3: and told the Jacobsons that they lacked the resources to
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Speaker 3: search for runaways. And this reaction was extremely frustrating for
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Speaker 3: the family, who were convinced that Susan would not have
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Speaker 3: just left voluntarily without money or any of her personal belongings.
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Speaker 3: So undeterred by the lack of official assistance, the Jacobson
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Speaker 3: family mobilized dozens of friends and families for the search
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Speaker 3: for Susan. They distributed flyers, canvassed the neighborhood, and reached
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Speaker 3: out to anyone that might have information. And their efforts, however,
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Speaker 3: yielded no significant leads. But in comes Dorothy Allison, our
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Speaker 3: first psychic. She was a self-proclaimed psychic from New Jersey,
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Speaker 3: known for her involvement in several criminal cases. She claimed
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Speaker 3: to possess clairvoyant abilities that allowed her to provide insights
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Speaker 3: into unsolved crimes. While some law enforcement officials were skeptical
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Speaker 3: of her abilities, others acknowledged that she had occasionally provided
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Speaker 3: very useful information. And desperate for any assistance, Bill and
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Speaker 3: Ellen Jacobson contacted Dorothy Allison two weeks after Susan's disappearance.
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Speaker 3: And remarkably, upon answering the phone immediately, Dorothy reported saying,
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Speaker 3: I know who you are and I know why you're
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Speaker 3: calling me. Just give me your address and I'll be
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Speaker 3: there in 45 minutes. How didn't you know the address?
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Speaker 3: And how'd you know it'd be 45 minutes away? I'm
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Speaker 3: just being an asshole.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. But creepy.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, when Dorothy arrived, she provided several specific clues for
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Speaker 3: them immediately. She mentioned the numbers 2-5-6-2 and 4-0-8 and 4-0-5.
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Speaker 3: And 2-5-6-2 corresponded to Susan's birth date, February 5th, 1962.
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Speaker 2: Which, you know.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure on the news, you would see like how
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Speaker 3: old the person is and probably the birth date would
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Speaker 3: be available. So that one's like, all right. 405 was
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Speaker 3: the time of Susan's birth.
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Speaker 2: Who the fuck would know that?
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Speaker 4: Nobody.
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Speaker 3: So that's interesting. And she inquired about the letters M-A-R,
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Speaker 3: written in large red letters specifically. And she described an
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Speaker 3: abandoned car, an overpowering smell of oil, dual church steeples,
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Speaker 3: dual smokestacks, two bridges close together, one not for cars, swamps, and.
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Speaker 5: marshes.
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Speaker 3: So very specific scene. And she stated that Susan had
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Speaker 3: been strangled by her boyfriend and was located in in
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Speaker 3: a place matching these descriptions. But despite Dorothy's very detailed insights,
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Speaker 3: the police were unwilling to collaborate with a psychic. So
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Speaker 3: they dismissed her information, leaving the Jacobsons to pursue these
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Speaker 3: clues independently. So Bill Jacobson, along with his friends, began
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Speaker 3: to search the areas that matched Dorothy's descriptions, particularly focusing
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Speaker 3: on the Port Ivory section of Staten Island, known as
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Speaker 3: the Downback. And during their search, Bill Jacobson found a
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Speaker 3: rock with M-A-R on it, painted, in red letters, freaky
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Speaker 3: deaky man, at the abandoned Downey's Shipyard, also known as
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Speaker 3: Mariner's Marsh. Recognizing the significance of this find, he brought
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Speaker 3: Dorothy to the location and she confirmed, this is it,
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Speaker 3: this is where your daughter is. And despite their conviction,
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Speaker 3: without official support, their search efforts were limited. And on
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Speaker 3: March 25th, 1978, nearly two years after Susan's disappearance, three
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Speaker 3: boys hunting muskrats discovered her skeletal remains inside a 55-gallon
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Speaker 3: oil drum in a 12-foot shaft leading to an underground
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Speaker 3: bunker at Downey's Shipyard. And the location was approximately 100
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Speaker 3: yards from the rock with M-A-R written on it.
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Speaker 6: Whoop.
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Speaker 2: I got chills.
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Speaker 3: And an autopsy would confirm that Susan had been strangled.
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Speaker 3: The condition of her remains and the surrounding environments aligned
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Speaker 3: with Dorothy's description, including the smell of oil and the
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Speaker 3: proximity to the landmarks that she had mentioned.
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Speaker 7: Foochies.
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Speaker 4: Wild.
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Speaker 3: Following the discoveries, attention turned to Susan's boyfriend, Dempsey Hawkins.
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Speaker 3: Investigators learned that he had confided in a friend and
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Speaker 3: a cousin, admitting that he had strangled Susan. Additionally, after
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Speaker 3: her disappearance, Hawkins had misled the family by suggesting that
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Speaker 3: Susan had left for Florida or Chicago. And he also
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Speaker 3: had participated in the searches, potentially to deflect suspicion. It
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Speaker 3: Hawkins at this point had relocated to Joppa, Illinois to
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Speaker 3: live with his father shortly after Susan's disappearance, further raising suspicions.
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Speaker 3: So on May 6th, 1978, Hawkins was arrested and charged
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Speaker 3: for second degree murder of Susan. And prosecutors had argued
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Speaker 3: that he killed Susan because he could not accept the
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Speaker 3: end of their relationship. And on February 1979, Hawkins was
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Speaker 3: convicted and sentenced to 22 years to life in prison.
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Speaker 3: And during the trial, Dorothy Allison's identification of Hawkins as
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Speaker 3: the perpetrator was noted, but did not serve as primary evidence, obviously.
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Speaker 3: It was just really freaky, dude. Like, what are the odds?
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Speaker 3: And Dorothy Allison's involvement in the case remains a subject
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Speaker 3: of debate. While the information she provided was remarkably accurate,
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Speaker 3: Skepticism persists regarding the validity of psychic abilities. Critics argue
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Speaker 3: that clues could have been derived from publicly available information
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Speaker 3: and general knowledge of the area.
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Speaker 2: But either way, I think, I mean, you know, you
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Speaker 2: have knowledge of the area, but.
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Speaker 3: It was pretty darn specific. She even knew the way
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Speaker 3: she was murdered, which is like, I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: truly do believe people have these abilities and everything, and
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Speaker 3: I think it's extraordinary that they could actually help people.
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Speaker 2: In these certain cases.
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Speaker 3: So I think, I think follow, follow all leads, you know,
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Speaker 3: but horrible, absolutely horrendous what happened to Susan.
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Speaker 2: And I hope Dempsey is brought in jail, but that.
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Speaker 3: Brings us to our next murder and psychic Melanie Uribe
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Speaker 3: and Etta Smith. So Melanie may run a which I
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Speaker 3: hope I'm saying that last name right, was a 31-year-old
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Speaker 3: licensed vocational nurse living in Arletta, California. A divorced single
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Speaker 3: mother of an eight-year-old son, she was known for her
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Speaker 3: dedication to her profession and her reliability. Employed at Pacoima
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Speaker 3: Hospital in Burbank, California, Melanie was recognized for her compassionate
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Speaker 3: care and commitment to her patients. And her routine life
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Speaker 3: revolved around work and raising her son. And she was
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Speaker 3: considered a very valued member of her community. And Etta Smith,
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Speaker 3: Smith was aged 32 at the time and working as
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Speaker 3: a shipping clerk at Lockheed Aerospace Plant in Burbank, California,
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Speaker 3: holding a top security clearance due to her position. She
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Speaker 3: was regarded as a very responsible and credible individual. Smith
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Speaker 3: was a mother also and had no prior history of
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Speaker 3: psychic experiences or involvement with law enforcement investigations.
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Speaker 2: Prior to the events involving.
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Speaker 3: Uribe, she lived a very conventional life, balancing her professional
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Speaker 3: responsibilities with her family duties. So on the evening of
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Speaker 3: December 15th, 1980, Melanie was scheduled to work a night
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Speaker 3: shift at the Pacoima Hospital. She left her home driving
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Speaker 3: her pickup truck, but never arrived at her workplace. Concerned
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Speaker 3: colleagues contacted her home, but received no response. And given
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Speaker 3: her reputation for punctuality and responsibility, her unexplainable absence raised
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Speaker 3: immediate concerns with her peers. And witnesses would later report
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Speaker 3: seeing two men force their way into her truck while
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Speaker 3: she stopped at a traffic light. And the following morning,
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Speaker 3: the police would find her abandoned and burned out pickup
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Speaker 3: truck along with her nurse's uniform, intensifying fears that she
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Speaker 3: had met with foul play. So on December 17th, 1980,
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Speaker 3: while working at Lockheed, Etta Smith heard a news report
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Speaker 3: on the radio about the disappearance of a local nurse
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Speaker 3: named Melanie Uribe. And upon hearing this, Smith experienced what
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Speaker 3: she described as a sudden and vivid vision or mental image.
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Speaker 3: She later recounted this. It was as if I saw
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Speaker 3: a picture. And Smith would feel a very strong compulsion
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Speaker 3: to act on this vision. believing that the white object
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Speaker 3: she perceived might be Melanie's nurse's uniform. And believing that
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Speaker 3: her vision might be crucial to finding Melanie, Smith decided
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Speaker 3: to contact the Los Angeles Police Department, otherwise known.
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Speaker 2: As the LAPD.
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Speaker 3: And she would meet with Detective Lee Ryan and conveyed
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Speaker 3: the details of her vision. And despite initial skepticism, Ryan
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Speaker 3: noted Smith's sincerity and the specific details that she provided.
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Speaker 3: She identified the location from her vision as Lopez Canyon.
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Speaker 3: But concerned that police might not act swiftly on her information,
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Speaker 3: Smith felt the urgent need to search the area herself.
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Speaker 3: And she enlisted the help of her daughter, Tina, and
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Speaker 3: a family friend. And together, they would drive to Lopez
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Speaker 3: Canyon to look for any signs of Melanie. And upon arriving,
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Speaker 3: Smith reported experiencing intense feelings of dread and a sense
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Speaker 3: of Melanie's presence. She described feeling in... energy or trauma
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Speaker 3: that compelled her to continue searching. And while exploring the area,
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Speaker 3: Smith and her companions noticed a fresh set of tire
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Speaker 3: tracks leading off the main road. And following these tracks,
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Speaker 3: they discovered a partially concealed body in the brush. And
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Speaker 3: Smith recognized the white nurse's shoes, confirming her fears that
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Speaker 3: they had found Melanie. And she would immediately contact police
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Speaker 3: and report her discovery.
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Speaker 4: Chills.
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Speaker 2: Like, what? I don't know, man. Like, that's like, especially
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Speaker 2: not even knowing her, like, not being connected.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, an autopsy later confirmed the body was indeed Melanie,
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Speaker 3: and she had.
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Speaker 2: Been robbed, unfortunately S.A. 'd, and beaten to death as well.
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Speaker 3: And initially, law enforcement officials were perplexed by Smith's accurate
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Speaker 3: knowledge of.
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Speaker 2: Where the body's location was.
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Speaker 3: Detectives even began questioning how she could have known about
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Speaker 3: the specific details without being involved in the crime itself,
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Speaker 3: which is, like, A natural, a natural thing to come to.
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Speaker 3: And their skepticism was also fueled by the absence of
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Speaker 3: physical evidence linking her to the crime scene. Yet her
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Speaker 3: information was undeniably precise. So on the evening of December 17th,
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Speaker 3: Smith was summoned to the police station for further questioning.
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Speaker 3: And over several hours, detectives repeatedly asked her to recount
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Speaker 3: her story, looking for inconsistencies. And despite her cooperation, they
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Speaker 3: remained very doubtful of her account. and Smith voluntarily underwent
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Speaker 3: two polygraph tests, believing that they would confirm her innocence. However,
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Speaker 3: detectives falsely informed her that she had failed both tests,
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Speaker 3: which I don't think it's allowed.
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Speaker 2: What do I know?
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Speaker 3: And based on their suspicions, they arrested her as an
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Speaker 3: accessory to murder. And Smith would be detained in jail
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Speaker 3: for several days, during which she maintained her innocence and
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Speaker 3: insisted that her only involvement was through her psychic vision.
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Speaker 3: And while Smith was in custody, the investigation took a
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Speaker 3: very significant turn. A police informant would come forward with
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Speaker 3: an information about individuals bragging about involvement in Melody's murder.
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Speaker 3: And the lead directed detectives to three young men from
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Speaker 3: the local area. So on December 21st, police arrested Louis
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Speaker 3: Carnal Morgan, who was 20 years old, and Normus Willis,
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Speaker 3: who was 17 years old, and Spencer Nelson, who was
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Speaker 3: 21 years old. And under interrogation, the men did confess
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Speaker 3: to the abduction and murder of Melanie Uribe. And they
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Speaker 3: admitted to forcing their way into her truck, robbing her
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Speaker 3: and her, and ultimately killing her by beating her with
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Speaker 3: a large rock in Lopez Canyon. And with the true
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Speaker 3: perpetrators in custody, all charges against Etta Smith were dropped
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Speaker 3: and she was released from jail. But Etta Smith's case
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Speaker 3: raises important ethical and legal questions. Her wrongful arrest highlights
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Speaker 3: the potential risks faced by individuals who come forward with
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Speaker 3: unconventional information. Law enforcement must balance skepticism with openness and
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Speaker 3: all possible leads, ensuring that innocent people are not unjustly
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Speaker 3: accused and falsely Lied to, by the way. Additionally, the
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Speaker 3: case underscores the need for proper investigative protocols and dealing
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Speaker 3: with information obtained through non-traditional means. And following her release,
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Speaker 3: Etta Smith pursued legal action against the LAPD for wrongful arrest,
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Speaker 3: as she should. And she filed the lawsuit alleging false
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Speaker 3: imprisonment and violation of her civil rights. And reports indicate
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Speaker 3: that she did win the settlement, although the details remained private.
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Speaker 3: And her experience brought her some unexpected attention, naturally. And
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Speaker 3: she continued to explore her psychic abilities and reportedly assisted
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Speaker 3: on other missing persons cases. Her story has even been
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Speaker 3: featured in television programs and interviews, contributing to the ongoing
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Speaker 3: discussions about psychic phenomenon and their place in society.
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Speaker 2: So badass, man.
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Speaker 7: Badass.
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Speaker 3: I love how she went out and just like looked
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Speaker 3: forward to and everything. Like she just took initiative. Unlike
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Speaker 3: the LAPD, they.
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Speaker 2: Had a They got bad. I'm sure there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of good ones, but I don't know. It's fucked up,
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Speaker 2: but that's crazy. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Just like having that like 30 years old, just having
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Speaker 3: like this, that's a Raven vision of somebody's body and
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Speaker 3: stuff is just wild. But I'm excited to talk about
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Speaker 3: our next psychic. And that is my best friend, Selena
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Speaker 3: Spooky Boo. So let's go over to that interview.
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Speaker 7: We're here with Selena Spooky Boo, my best friend and psychic.
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Speaker 7: And also I am in Caleb's grandmother's bedroom right now.
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Speaker 7: That's why I look like, that's why it looks like this.
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Speaker 7: And why there's a lion behind me. Can you see her?
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Speaker 8: So basically the video, the video I've been doing is
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Speaker 8: talking about psychics that have solved crimes. And the first
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Speaker 8: person I thought of was you because you've told me
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Speaker 8: in the past.
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Speaker 5: That this has actually happened to you. Is it multiple
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Speaker 5: times or just one time?
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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's, it happens.
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Speaker 9: So mostly it like happens to me dream wise. Like
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Speaker 9: I probably had four or five different cases. But there's
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Speaker 9: also been moments where I see things or people come
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Speaker 9: to me with like messages, but like it never connects
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Speaker 9: with anything that I can find. But the most intense
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Speaker 9: one was the one that happened, like the recent one
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Speaker 9: that you knew about.
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Speaker 5: Walk them through it.
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Speaker 2: What happened, man? So I'm obviously I'm.
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Speaker 9: Gonna keep some names out of it because it is
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Speaker 9: local and it is something that happened. But there was
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Speaker 9: a person who had gone missing. Um, obviously that's what
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Speaker 9: we're here for. Um, I went to bed that night
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Speaker 9: and I was just really thinking kind of about this
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Speaker 9: person and I was laying in bed and it always
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Speaker 9: happens right as I'm like kind of falling asleep, which
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Speaker 9: is just like, you know, whenever we do things, I
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Speaker 9: saw this person, I saw them sitting in their backyard.
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Speaker 2: I saw them, um, getting up.
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Speaker 9: I saw them going to a liquor store and I
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Speaker 9: saw them going to a track and I saw them
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Speaker 9: going a certain area down and, and going into the woods.
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Speaker 9: And walking about 40 feet into the woods. And the
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Speaker 9: interesting thing was, a couple days later, I was convinced
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Speaker 9: that I needed to go look. And Adam was like,
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Speaker 9: you're not going out by yourself and I'm not coming
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Speaker 9: with you.
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Speaker 2: You snapchatted me.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I did.
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like I should go. Yeah, you
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Speaker 2: were snapchatting me.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Adam's best friend was going the next day to
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Speaker 9: a search party that was going to happen in the morning.
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Speaker 9: And I got up and I was starting to get ready.
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Speaker 9: And I was like, I feel like I shouldn't go.
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Speaker 9: but I need to tell somebody. So I actually went
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Speaker 9: and I pulled up a map of the area and
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Speaker 9: I circled exactly where I thought he was. Um, and
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Speaker 9: I sent it to Adam's friend and, uh.
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Speaker 2: I literally feel crazy when I talk about it.
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Speaker 9: Um, so that morning it was breakfast and we were
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Speaker 9: up and I'm like, I feel like they're going to
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Speaker 9: find him really soon. And about four minutes later, I
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Speaker 9: got a ding on my phone and it was, um,
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Speaker 9: from Adam's friend and he said, we found him.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, dead or alive. Cause I had
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Speaker 2: thought he was dead. And he said, he's gone. And
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Speaker 2: I'm like, where?
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Speaker 9: And he wouldn't message back. He didn't message us back.
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Speaker 9: And he's like, I'm coming to your house. So he
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Speaker 9: came to our house and pretty much he was like.
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Speaker 2: How did you know? Cause he was, he was exactly
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Speaker 2: where you circled.
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Speaker 9: And the strange thing that he said is that he
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Speaker 9: showed the police and the police said, don't go to
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Speaker 9: that area. We've already looked there. So him and a
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Speaker 9: bunch of other people went back to that area and
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Speaker 9: he was there.
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Speaker 2: Where I had circled, which is insane.
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Speaker 9: And but a lot of this started like when I
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Speaker 9: was young, there was this case and I kept dreaming
19:14
Speaker 9: about the same girl.
19:15
Speaker 2: She was blonde. She was beautiful.
19:18
Speaker 9: And she looked familiar, but I didn't know where and
19:19
Speaker 9: she told me kind of who had killed her and
19:22
Speaker 9: that she was in the woods and all the clues
19:24
Speaker 9: were in the woods. And then one day my mom
19:26
Speaker 9: had on the news and it was Holly Bobo, which
19:28
Speaker 9: is a case of a girl who got murdered.
19:30
Speaker 2: Like, so really interesting. You should do an episode. Really interesting.
19:34
Speaker 9: Really interesting case. But that's two of like the main
19:38
Speaker 9: times that it happened. And then a couple of years ago,
19:40
Speaker 9: there was one where this kind of like, I was
19:43
Speaker 9: in my living room and this was one that happened
19:45
Speaker 9: not during sleep, which was freaky. And it was almost
19:47
Speaker 9: like I was watching TV and out of the corner,
19:50
Speaker 9: of my eye, I just saw a young man standing
19:52
Speaker 9: over here and he's like, I'm right at the edge
19:54
Speaker 9: of the water. And as I looked, he left, but
19:58
Speaker 9: I knew what he looked like. So I started searching
19:59
Speaker 9: and I started searching. And literally, like, a couple towns over,
20:02
Speaker 9: a boy had gone missing. And it was, like, the
20:06
Speaker 9: craziness was the succession of it. Because about 45 minutes later,
20:10
Speaker 9: it came on cable news that they found him, like.
20:12
Speaker 2: Right on the edge of the water. And he had drowned.
20:13
Speaker 2: When did he die?
20:14
Speaker 9: It was, like, it was the day before. Like, he
20:17
Speaker 9: had gone missing in the water. And then by the
20:19
Speaker 9: next day, they found him.
20:20
Speaker 2: But it was, it happened. And then bam.
20:24
Speaker 9: And it was weird because I didn't have a connection
20:26
Speaker 9: to any of these people.
20:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's weird.
20:28
Speaker 5: And that's what's happened.
20:29
Speaker 3: I think one of the cases is not related at all.
20:33
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one was the mom or something. But one was,
20:35
Speaker 3: or maybe it wasn't, I can't remember. But one was
20:37
Speaker 3: completely unrelated. And she had never had any psychic things.
20:42
Speaker 5: Happen to her ever.
20:43
Speaker 3: And it was just, it was so freaky. And then
20:45
Speaker 3: with the first guy you were talking about, how did
20:47
Speaker 3: he die? Was it drowning as well?
20:50
Speaker 2: No, the first guy in the woods, it never came out.
20:54
Speaker 9: Like, no one ever spoke about it. I was never
20:56
Speaker 9: able to find out how. Like, I know personally what
20:59
Speaker 9: I saw.
21:00
Speaker 2: So what did you see?
21:02
Speaker 9: I'm afraid to say it just because it is local
21:05
Speaker 9: and I don't want it.
21:06
Speaker 3: To, like.
21:07
Speaker 2: That's fair. Come back on me. But I think that
21:10
Speaker 2: I know.
21:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you knew where his whole body was,
21:15
Speaker 5: I'm assuming, you'd probably have a good idea.
21:18
Speaker 3: That's interesting that they wouldn't share that.
21:20
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, it makes you.
21:22
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it's a small community.
21:25
Speaker 9: And, you know, I think that that family had already
21:27
Speaker 9: been through so much. Like, I've never spoken on it.
21:29
Speaker 9: But the one thing that did freak me out was
21:31
Speaker 9: before I talked to Adam's friend, I had actually sent
21:34
Speaker 9: the map to someone who had organized a bunch of
21:35
Speaker 9: stuff that I.
21:36
Speaker 2: Didn't know was his sister. And she was like, well,
21:38
Speaker 2: how do you know him?
21:39
Speaker 9: And I was like, oh, God, back off, back off.
21:42
Speaker 9: And I didn't message her back. So, like, after this
21:44
Speaker 9: all happened, like, for two days, I, like, was waiting
21:46
Speaker 9: because I was like, are the cops going to show up?
21:49
Speaker 9: Because that's the thing. Like, if cops show up and
21:52
Speaker 9: they're like, hey, how did you know this horrible thing?
21:55
Speaker 9: That happens, yeah. And how do I be like, oh, so, like,
21:58
Speaker 9: I dreamt about it. Then they're like, okay, where were
22:01
Speaker 9: you at 3 p.m.
22:02
Speaker 2: On a Tuesday? Yeah, you need an alibi. Yeah, and
22:05
Speaker 2: that also is one of the cases I talked about.
22:07
Speaker 5: She literally went to jail.
22:08
Speaker 3: And then they eventually found out it wasn't her.
22:12
Speaker 2: But it was like, how else.
22:13
Speaker 5: Would you know?
22:14
Speaker 2: No, how would you know?
22:15
Speaker 5: Of committed this crime.
22:16
Speaker 9: But the weird thing is like, I have, I will
22:18
Speaker 9: have dreams that, that are literally like little clip. It's
22:21
Speaker 9: like that kind of like when we do our ghost investigation,
22:24
Speaker 9: it's not a lot during the day, but I think,
22:27
Speaker 9: you know, talking about the most interesting one, this one
22:29
Speaker 9: really ties. Cause you're talking about ones where people were
22:31
Speaker 9: involved and weren't, but the most intense one for me
22:34
Speaker 9: was the Tory Stafford case, which as we know, I
22:37
Speaker 9: testified against that murder in court. The day that she
22:40
Speaker 9: went missing, um, was insane. Um, I, I did big brothers,
22:44
Speaker 9: big sisters. My co-op was four periods. I worked in
22:47
Speaker 9: the schools with little girls that were about Tori Stafford's age.
22:50
Speaker 9: After school, everybody was handing out flyers. I printed flyers.
22:53
Speaker 9: I put them on posts. Um, that night I went
22:56
Speaker 9: to bed and all I could dream about was a
22:59
Speaker 9: man's legs, a girl's legs, and a woman's legs walking
23:02
Speaker 9: along a tree line.
23:04
Speaker 2: That's all it was.
23:05
Speaker 9: And I said, mom, like, I think she's like with
23:07
Speaker 9: a mom or a dad or like she's with a
23:08
Speaker 9: man and a woman. And then of course, months later,
23:10
Speaker 9: we found out that she was killed by Michael Rafferty
23:13
Speaker 9: and Terry Lynn McClintock. And it was in Mount Forest
23:16
Speaker 9: along this tree line where she was found. So I
23:19
Speaker 9: saw it like, and then that was just, that was insane.
23:22
Speaker 9: Cause I didn't even know at this point that I
23:24
Speaker 9: was connected to that case at all whatsoever.
23:26
Speaker 8: Yeah.
23:27
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Like, what does that make you feel like?
23:30
Speaker 9: I will never not say it doesn't make me feel crazy.
23:33
Speaker 9: It always makes me feel crazy because when you see
23:35
Speaker 9: these things in your head, you feel like you're making
23:37
Speaker 9: it up and you feel like you're lying. But then
23:39
Speaker 9: when it comes and it's been validated and You feel
23:42
Speaker 9: like nothing's real and we live in a simulation.
23:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I think. It's just like
23:47
Speaker 2: this weird.
23:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a simulation almost.
23:49
Speaker 2: Like, how are you connected?
23:50
Speaker 5: Like, something glitched?
23:52
Speaker 2: Something glitched?
23:53
Speaker 6: You're not quite wired right? Or you're wired more extensively?
23:58
Speaker 6: Some radar is on. I'm some goddamn REM pod. Like,
24:02
Speaker 6: I'm just attracting things. But it's just like you. Like,
24:04
Speaker 6: when we go into places... Like, um, like with these
24:07
Speaker 6: different videos, you'd be like, I've dreamt this.
24:09
Speaker 2: I've seen this.
24:10
Speaker 6: Yeah.
24:10
Speaker 3: Yeah.
24:11
Speaker 5: It's really weird.
24:12
Speaker 3: Or like deja vu even like everybody experiences that, but like,
24:15
Speaker 3: it's like almost, uh, different levels of it, I guess. Yeah.
24:18
Speaker 3: Like sometimes it's stronger than other times or like, yeah,
24:21
Speaker 3: for me, it's mostly just been when I'm like related people.
24:25
Speaker 3: Like I knew when my grandma died before anybody else
24:27
Speaker 3: knew about it, that kind of thing, or like dreamt
24:29
Speaker 3: about her, which is like, I don't know, maybe that's.
24:31
Speaker 5: Just a paranormal thing.
24:35
Speaker 3: Maybe she was allowed to do a couple errands before
24:38
Speaker 3: she went to heaven or something.
24:40
Speaker 5: I don't know.
24:40
Speaker 3: I don't know.
24:41
Speaker 2: It makes me think too much.
24:42
Speaker 5: I'm like, what?
24:43
Speaker 2: I have a cool exercise for you that you should try.
24:46
Speaker 5: Okay.
24:46
Speaker 9: You should get Caleb to look up a murder case,
24:49
Speaker 9: but just give you the person's name and age and location.
24:53
Speaker 2: Lay down.
24:54
Speaker 3: Get out of here, flies.
24:55
Speaker 9: Lay down and try and figure out what happened to them.
25:00
Speaker 9: Write it down on paper and see how close you were.
25:02
Speaker 5: I like that. I'm going to do that.
25:03
Speaker 3: Do it.
25:04
Speaker 5: I'm going to try that. He'll be like, all right,
25:06
Speaker 5: let's freak him out.
25:07
Speaker 2: I don't know.
25:09
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try that though. But thank you so much
25:11
Speaker 3: for telling us your stories. Go follow Selena on everything.
25:14
Speaker 3: It's Selena Spooky Boo on everything, I think. And yeah,
25:18
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll do more spooky videos together and I'm
25:21
Speaker 3: gonna do some psychic exercises.
25:23
Speaker 2: That'd be a sick episode.
25:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually.
25:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be. That would be.
25:27
Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have to do another video together like that.
25:29
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25:30
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