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Credlin | 6 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the program. I'm James Morrowfield, filling
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Speaker 2: in for Peter Kredline tonight and all week. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up this evening. Australia is waking up from Labour's
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Speaker 2: renewable power fantasy, But has ALBINIZI got the message? Plus
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Speaker 2: a special treat Spiked Magazines, Brendan O'Neill lifts the lid
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Speaker 2: on Kearstar War's latest deportation debacle and reveals why just
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Speaker 2: maybe diversity isn't our strengths. Plus Army colonel and trial
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Speaker 2: lawyer Kurt Schlichter explains just who is behind the opposition
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Speaker 2: to Trump's raid on Maduro. But first breaking news as
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister appears to be softening his stance against
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Speaker 2: a Royal commission as the political price for his refusal
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Speaker 2: climbs into the stratosphere. Coming in the of other news
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Speaker 2: that could shed more light on precisely why Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi is being so stubborn, so obstinate, and I
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Speaker 2: would say downright weak and cowardly in still so far
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Speaker 2: not calling that Royal Commission into anti Semitism in the
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Speaker 2: wake of the Bondai terror attack. Now, for some weeks
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Speaker 2: we have suspected that Albanzi did not want to call
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Speaker 2: a royal commission because it might expose failings in his
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Speaker 2: own government and the Labor Party. Failings that include, among
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Speaker 2: other things, the way Labor allowed Islamic radicalism to take
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Speaker 2: root on its watch in outer suburban seats held by
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Speaker 2: senior ALP frontbenchers, including Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, And
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Speaker 2: how the Prime Minister's own senior advisors were warned about
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Speaker 2: the rise and tide of anti Semitism and how it
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Speaker 2: had the potential to lead to violence but did nothing
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Speaker 2: about it. And how again under the Prime Minister's watch,
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism is allowed to fester within the Australian Labor
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Speaker 2: Party itself, which again relies heavily on Muslim votes to
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Speaker 2: retain power, and which has adopted all the sensibilities of
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Speaker 2: the academic activist left that believes Israel is an illegitimate
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Speaker 2: settler colonial state, and just quietly this same mob feels
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Speaker 2: the same way about Australia. But that's another story.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Now today the news website The Nightly has broken a
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Speaker 2: fascinating story just weeks before the Bondai terror attack. According
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Speaker 2: to this report, the Australian Federal Police acted a national
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Speaker 2: surveillance team set up under the Commonwealth High Risk Terror
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Speaker 2: Offender Regime because of, they say, a lack of funding. Now,
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Speaker 2: according to reporter Andrew Green, quote The Nightly can reveal,
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Speaker 2: the decision to wind up the camera based squad was
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Speaker 2: made late last year after a senior AFP figure told
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Speaker 2: staff current budget pressures and the lack of certainty in
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Speaker 2: relation to ongoing funding has limited our ability to fill vacancies.
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Speaker 2: In corresponden scene by The Nightly, team members were told.
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Speaker 2: Team members were told consideration was being given to dissolving
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Speaker 2: their group and funding for their positions would be returned
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Speaker 2: to the AFP's counter Terrorism and Special Investigations Command. Quote Well,
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Speaker 2: this is absolutely shocking for a number of reasons, not
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Speaker 2: the least being that in August twenty twenty four, as
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Speaker 2: OH lifted the terror threat to probable. Yet according to
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Speaker 2: this report, it would seem the AFP acted in something
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Speaker 2: of an opposite direction, cutting funding from a counter terrorism program,
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Speaker 2: as the Albaninese governments rhetoric turned in the direction not
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Speaker 2: of Islamist terrorism, but in the direction of the far
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Speaker 2: right and their radicalism. Now here's where it gets even
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Speaker 2: more interesting. On the issue of funding. Just days after
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Speaker 2: the bond I attacked, the Prime Minister was asked whether
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Speaker 2: agencies were getting the funds they needed and requested threat.
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Speaker 4: Level was raised in August last year, Mark Burgess said,
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Speaker 4: the threats are becoming harder to predict and identify. The
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Speaker 4: drivers of radicalization, grievance and extrevianism are growing, interacting in
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Speaker 4: ways we've not seen before. If that's the case, should
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Speaker 4: ASIO and the AFP have received more resourcing at that time?
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Speaker 5: And if I could ask Commission.
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Speaker 4: Abourett, do you need more resourcing to adequately staff up
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Speaker 4: your CT operations?
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Speaker 2: Fair question and here's what the Prime Minister said in response.
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Speaker 6: I'll make this point. AGIO has never had more funding
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Speaker 6: than they have today under my government, and we have
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Speaker 6: provided for each of the security agencies, including the ones
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Speaker 6: that you mentioned, the AFP, ASIO, but also the Australian
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Speaker 6: Signals Directorate that deal with some of this online and
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Speaker 6: cyber issues as well, have never had more funding than
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Speaker 6: they have today. And every single request from a security
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Speaker 6: agency has been granted by my government.
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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, every single request from a security agency has
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Speaker 2: been granted by my government. Really, Prime Minister, So again,
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Speaker 2: then why is the Nightly reporting that, according to correspondence
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Speaker 2: it has seen from the Commander of Covert and Technical Operations,
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Speaker 2: Intelligence and Covert Services, the AFP did not get funding
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Speaker 2: for the full complement of agents it needed to maintain
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Speaker 2: its National surveillance team.
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Speaker 6: There is record funding for the Australian Federal Police, record funding.
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Speaker 6: Those reports are not correct. I have full confidence in
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Speaker 6: the Australian Federal Police and I think it's appropriate that
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Speaker 6: we back them in the job.
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Speaker 2: That they do well. That's what the Prime Minister was
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Speaker 2: said today when he was asked about the story, and
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Speaker 2: as he heard, he denied it. But you be the judge.
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Speaker 2: But from where I sit, it's hard to see this
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Speaker 2: as anything but another dereliction of duty by the Albanesi government.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this seems like the sort of thing the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister would hate to see coming out in a
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Speaker 2: Royal commission, and it further shows why the Albanesi government
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Speaker 2: has been so quick to try and turn the Bondai
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Speaker 2: terror attack into an issue about guns or some sort
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Speaker 2: of nebulous generalized hate or to try and tie it
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Speaker 2: to right wing extremism, rather than focus on what this
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Speaker 2: really was, a terrorist attack by Islamist radicals that occurred
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Speaker 2: on their watch when the AFP, according to this report,
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Speaker 2: couldn't maintain a counter terrorism national surveillance program because it
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Speaker 2: didn't get the cash it needed. Well, it is also why,
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Speaker 2: even if Albanesi has begun to soften his language as
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Speaker 2: he did today about a royal commission, the damage is
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Speaker 2: already done now. Had Albaneze he acted right away and
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Speaker 2: called that royal commission that everybody is now demanding, he
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Speaker 2: would have been seen at the time, right after the
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Speaker 2: attack as a leader. Now, however, he doesn't look like
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Speaker 2: a leader. He looks like a guy is who is following,
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Speaker 2: not leading, after weeks of trying to divert and divide
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Speaker 2: rather than face up to the truth of his own inadequacy. Okay,
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Speaker 2: now on to the ongoing meltdown over Donald Trump's move
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Speaker 2: to take out Venezuelan's strong man, Nicholas Budurou, and I
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Speaker 2: swear if the Berlin Wall look it up kids fell today,
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Speaker 2: you'd have clueless TikTok lefties and AstroTurf protesters out on
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Speaker 2: the streets, winding that capitalism was going to ruin the
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Speaker 2: charm and authenticity of East Germany. Now, I know there
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Speaker 2: is a lot of work to do and a lot
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Speaker 2: of questions to be answered about what happens next in Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: But again, I am absolutely amazed that there are pro
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Speaker 2: Maduro leftists out there clashing with actual Venezuelans, even outside
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Speaker 2: the Manhattan Federal Courthouse, as you see on your screen
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Speaker 2: right now. No points for them, But a gold star
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Speaker 2: has to go to US Secretary of State Mark or Rubio,
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Speaker 2: who has been the Trump administration's secret weapon in the
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Speaker 2: messaging war with the US media, which has become almost
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Speaker 2: implacably hostile to the action. And I wanted to give
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Speaker 2: you just a little taste of this, a bit of
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Speaker 2: Rubio facing off with CBS News as Margaret Brennan, who
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Speaker 2: had the cluelessness to act, ask Rubio why the army
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Speaker 2: didn't go and arrest other drug kingpins and Kracus, just,
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Speaker 2: you know, while they were in town.
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Speaker 7: I'm confused, are they still wanted by the United States?
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Speaker 7: Why didn't you arrest them?
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Speaker 8: You're confused. I don't know why that's confusing to you.
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Speaker 8: You're still in very simple, we're not going to go
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Speaker 8: in and wrap up. You're gonna but yeah, but you
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Speaker 8: can't go You're gonna go in and suck up five people.
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Speaker 8: They're already complaining about this one operation. Imagine the howls
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Speaker 8: we would have from everybody else if we actually had
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Speaker 8: to go and stay there four days to capture four
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Speaker 8: other people. We got the top.
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Speaker 2: Priority, absolutely right. Rubio also gave some insight into just
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Speaker 2: what was involved in the operation.
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Speaker 8: Not easy to land helicopters in the middle of the
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Speaker 8: largest military base in the country. The guy lived on
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Speaker 8: a military base, land within three minutes, kick down his door,
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Speaker 8: grab him, put them in handcuffs, read them is rights,
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Speaker 8: put him in a helicopter, and leave the country without
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Speaker 8: losing any American or any American assets. That's not an
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Speaker 8: easy mission. And you're asking me why didn't we do
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Speaker 8: that in five other places at the same time.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's absurd, absurd, is right, But that didn't
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Speaker 2: stop Brennan.
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Speaker 7: The others who are also indicted are still in place.
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Speaker 7: So that's the point of my questioning there. But you
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Speaker 7: talked about not being the legitimary you.
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Speaker 8: Wanted us to land on five other military bases.
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Speaker 7: No, I'm asking why you chose that this was the
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Speaker 7: limit of the military operation. But to your point that
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Speaker 7: you just made that because Maduro was not the legitimate president.
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Speaker 8: He was the guy was claiming to be the president.
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Speaker 2: Right, Well, the opposition target, Okay, and with that, I
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Speaker 2: think we know why the face palm eboji was invented.
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Speaker 2: All right, Now onto the big story of today. The
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Speaker 2: pressure is finally getting to the Prime Minister, who is
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Speaker 2: no longer ruling out a royal commission into the Bondai massacer,
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Speaker 2: but still won't give a definitive answer that yes, he
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Speaker 2: will call it. He has softened his language on the
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Speaker 2: issue though, when he was asked today about reports suggesting
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Speaker 2: he was going to change his.
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Speaker 6: Mind, continuing to examine everything else that is required, working
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Speaker 6: with the community. Will continue to do that, and I
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Speaker 6: continue to being with ladies in the Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: Well that's not a no. And this comes after twenty
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Speaker 2: one former Labor MPAs, party officials and unionists joined the
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Speaker 2: ever growing chorus demanding a royal commission into the Bondai attack,
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Speaker 2: signing a joint letter calling on the Albanese government to
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Speaker 2: urgently establish that Royal Commission into anti Semitism and the
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Speaker 2: Bondai Beach attack. To talk about this and more. Let's
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Speaker 2: bring in the first panel of this evening, former Labor
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Speaker 2: MP and ex Chair of the Foreign Affairs and Defense
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Speaker 2: Committee Michael Danby and Sky News contributor Carolie Katz and Bondis.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me, both of you. Carallly,
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Speaker 2: let's start with you. This is a positive development, but
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Speaker 2: really it shouldn't even take this long here that we're
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Speaker 2: at this point where he's simply not saying no.
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Speaker 9: Good evening, James and Michael. Look, of course not twenty
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Speaker 9: three days ago, fifteen Australians were murdered in cold blood
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Speaker 9: on Australia's worst terrorist attack on Australian soil. This should
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Speaker 9: have been amongst the first reactions of the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: But as you say, he's now left, he's not actually leading.
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Speaker 9: The problem is that we just heard what he said
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Speaker 9: there on continuing to work with the community. How many
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Speaker 9: more open letters need to be written for him to
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Speaker 9: actually listen. He's not interested. He's reflexively anti a Royal commission.
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Speaker 9: So let's see what the terms of reference will be,
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Speaker 9: because we need to make sure that he doesn't narrow
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Speaker 9: those terms of reference and try and just wriggle out
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Speaker 9: of it. But this is just appalling. As I said,
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Speaker 9: twenty three days ago, not even a month ago, fifteen
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Speaker 9: Australians were murdered in cold blood. Dozens more were injured.
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Speaker 9: There are still people in hospital. He's not listening. I
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Speaker 9: can tell you what's happened. It's the Christmas break and
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Speaker 9: the Labor members of Parliament have gone back to their
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Speaker 9: electorate and they're hearing loud and clear that this is
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Speaker 9: not a partisan issue. This is something that is needed
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Speaker 9: to use night the whole of Australia, not just for
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Speaker 9: Jewish Australians, but for all Australians. And I've been very
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Speaker 9: consistent on this right the way through. They traded Jewish
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Speaker 9: safety for Western Sydney votes, plain and simple. It is
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Speaker 9: absolutely shocking. So why can't he come out now and
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Speaker 9: say we will hold a royal commission. He's still pussy
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Speaker 9: footing around it and just saying a word salad. Those
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Speaker 9: words he just said are absolutely disgusting. Will continue working
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Speaker 9: with the community. Which community is he working with? He's
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Speaker 9: evidently not working with the majority of the Australian community.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right, Michael Danby. As well as being
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Speaker 2: one of the most prominent voices against anti Semitism in
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Speaker 2: public life in Australia, you were also a signatory to
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Speaker 2: that open letter I mentioned before. How disappointed are you
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Speaker 2: with your how your party, the Labor Party, has handled
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Speaker 2: this issue, and what do you make of this shift
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Speaker 2: in tone that he's no longer adamantly oppos to it,
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Speaker 2: leaving the door open.
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Speaker 10: Well, it ain't over till it's over. So he hasn't
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Speaker 10: shifted to agreeing to a Royal commission yet, but the
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Speaker 10: trenders in the right place. He saw some comments by
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Speaker 10: Charmers and Mark Butler that would be ominous if I
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Speaker 10: were in Elbow's position, So the public mood that speech
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Speaker 10: by Dawn Fraser cut to the heart. I'm very pleased
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Speaker 10: to tell you, James that it's now up to twenty
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Speaker 10: five and more more former members are putting their names
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Speaker 10: to that petition calling for the government to do the
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Speaker 10: Royal commission. But it hasn't been decided yet, and I
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Speaker 10: understand there are some very bitter enders in the cabinet
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Speaker 10: who are in the socialist left, who want to avoid
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Speaker 10: this Royal commission at all costs because of the things
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Speaker 10: that might come out, some of the things that you
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Speaker 10: rightly raised with the police abolishing committees that shouldn't have
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Speaker 10: been abolished weeks before this tragic event.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Michael, let's want to stay with you just
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Speaker 2: for a moment and return to that story about there's
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Speaker 2: revelations about a potential that there was a counter terrorism
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Speaker 2: surveillance operation that fell victim to funding cuts. You know,
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Speaker 2: along with that we also saw long before the Bondi
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Speaker 2: terror attack, attempts to refocus what people were focused on
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Speaker 2: in terms of the danger in society from radicalism. It
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Speaker 2: feels like the Labor Party has been running a big
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Speaker 2: distraction operation all along, even before the bond II terror attack,
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Speaker 2: about where the real threats lie in this country.
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Speaker 10: I've been pointing on ad on Sky for the last
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Speaker 10: three years since Elbow was re elected. This is a
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Speaker 10: very different government than a normal labor government, James. It's
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Speaker 10: a socialist left dominated labor government. It's not a government
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Speaker 10: of Bob Hook, Kim Beasley and the Director General. Evasio
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Speaker 10: said midyear last year that the primary source of fear
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Speaker 10: in the security services was Islamist terrorism. What did the
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Speaker 10: government do about it since August? What did Tony Burke,
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Speaker 10: the Minister Responsible, do since August? And I think that's
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Speaker 10: what they're afraid will be uncovered, not just what they
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Speaker 10: did do, but what they didn't do in the period
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Speaker 10: since the Director General made that ominous warning.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Heykarlely, I want to ask you too about another
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Speaker 2: disturbing story we had today in the Daily Telegraph. Australia's
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Speaker 2: latest arts festival, the taxpayer funded Bien Aali of Sydney,
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Speaker 2: is under mounting pressure to dump one of its ambassadors,
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Speaker 2: Benji Rah, after she posted this to Instagram last August,
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Speaker 2: a picture of a death death the IDF poster with
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Speaker 2: the caption Saturday right in see you on the bridge
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Speaker 2: and like a series of other inflammable Tory posts. Currently,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of contiency around this. The BI and
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Speaker 2: Ali organizers have issued a vague statement saying that people
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Speaker 2: are entitled to express their personal viewpoints and I have
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Speaker 2: some sympathy to that, but I am also really concerned
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Speaker 2: that this major arts festival could wind up becoming a
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Speaker 2: platform as so much of the arts industry has become
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Speaker 2: in the past, for really virulent ideas here and I'd
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Speaker 2: love your thoughts on clearing this.
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Speaker 5: Up for me.
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Speaker 9: One word, James, taxpayer funded. I would love it if
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Speaker 9: I was an artist and I stood up for the
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Speaker 9: rights of Israel and the Jewish paper around the world
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Speaker 9: and in Australia, I would be canceled before the press
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Speaker 9: release even went out. Deborah Conway, why don't we ask
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Speaker 9: her how she felt being canceled. This is a taxpayer
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Speaker 9: funded organization and sorry, taxpayer funded event and that is disgraceful.
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Speaker 9: I mean it was pointed out at the time, and
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Speaker 9: apparently Benji Rah was cautioned. Evidently the cautioning that that
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Speaker 9: organization does doesn't ring true with anybody else. It's shocking
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Speaker 9: they're quite willing to cancel when it's the other way.
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Speaker 9: And no, she should step down. It's absolutely disgraceful. And yes,
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Speaker 9: it will just become yet another platform for activists that
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Speaker 9: are not interested in anything else apart from the destruction
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Speaker 9: of Israel. And she should be removed.
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Speaker 10: But James, it's not just a matter of cancel culture
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Speaker 10: or not. We don't have to fund them. Why does
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Speaker 10: the bloke who says that the Bondo massacre okay get
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Speaker 10: one hundred thousand dollars subsidy from Creative Australia to write
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Speaker 10: children's books. Why do we send some bloke off to
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Speaker 10: the Venice Biernali who is a portraitist of Hassan Nasralla,
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Speaker 10: the head of a wanted terrorist group in Australia. Has
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Speaker 10: bla subsequently killed, of course, but this is a pattern.
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Speaker 10: The thing you identified in Sydney, the Binali in Sydney,
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Speaker 10: the children's author who gets hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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Speaker 10: People can have their points of view, but Tony Burke
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Speaker 10: is the Minister for the Arts. If he had taken
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Speaker 10: this issue seriously, he's emboldening and empowering these people. And
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Speaker 10: what it does is it sends signals to the loonies
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Speaker 10: in Western Sydney that this is okay. Now, if you
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Speaker 10: were a proper Minister of Australia, you should stand at
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Speaker 10: Creative Australia and Saturn stop all of these rubbish grants
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Speaker 10: to people who are rat bags, and you draw a
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Speaker 10: line in the sand and stop it. But what you've
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Speaker 10: identified is part of a pattern set As they say,
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Speaker 10: the fish stinks from the head.
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Speaker 2: It's been set by and in fact encouraged by an
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Speaker 2: awful lot of people in the LP. Sorry to say that,
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby, but thank you Michael and Carlie Katzevitis for
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Speaker 2: your time this evening. Now let's bring in my next
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Speaker 2: guest here as we had into twenty twenty six, because
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Speaker 2: no doubt LEBRA is going to be doubling down on
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Speaker 2: their renewables pledges to hit energy targets eighty two percent
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Speaker 2: renewables by twenty thirty day claim net zero by twenty
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Speaker 2: fifty unrealistic, yes, long term, definitely not. It's going to
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Speaker 2: start biting soon. Energy experts have endlessly warned the Labor
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Speaker 2: government of an unstable grid, soaring power prices and an
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Speaker 2: energy system Australia simply cannot afford ideology over reality, and households,
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Speaker 2: as I'm sure you well know, are paying the price. Well.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to talk about this is head of
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Speaker 2: Energy research at MST Financial saw Cavantage, Saul. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for joining me this evening. Australias are sick
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Speaker 2: and tired of hearing this rhetoric, this stick about power
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Speaker 2: prices are falling when that's clearly not being reflected in
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Speaker 2: their bills. What is going on here.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're facing a crisis of ideology and the crisis
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Speaker 1: of competence when it comes to energy policy. So the
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Speaker 1: starting point is we have this renewable energy target by
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Speaker 1: twenty thirty, which is patently clear is impossible to meet,
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Speaker 1: and even if we were to meet it would be
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Speaker 1: experiments in terms of doesn't work and is it viable? Now,
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Speaker 1: the problem with having such a ridiculously ambitious target is
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Speaker 1: not just that the target can't be met, but all
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Speaker 1: the central planning that is being done by the regulatory
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Speaker 1: bodies presume that that target is going to be met.
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Speaker 1: And what then happens is as we don't meet that target,
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Speaker 1: we haven't got a Plan B and a Plan C
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Speaker 1: to deal with what's actually happening, as opposed to what
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Speaker 1: a few members of Parliament kind of delude themselves into
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Speaker 1: what they want to happen. And then you end up
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Speaker 1: with insufficient investments in our grid and that results in
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Speaker 1: increased volatility. In Australia, our faces the highest volatility and
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Speaker 1: energy prices of any oecity country in the world, and
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Speaker 1: it results in more unreliability and that then flows through
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Speaker 1: to three key sectors of our economy. The first one
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Speaker 1: being the industrial manufacturing base. We've already seen significant closures
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Speaker 1: and thousands of blue collar jobs lost over the last
22:19
Speaker 1: few years. The second one is we feel it at home,
22:22
Speaker 1: where obviously bills have continued to rise. And lastly, and
22:26
Speaker 1: I think this is perhaps one of the most underappreciated areas,
22:30
Speaker 1: is our national security and the government's priority technology list
22:36
Speaker 1: in things like cybersecurity, quantum computing and artificial intelligence all
22:40
Speaker 1: actually depend.
22:41
Speaker 5: On our energy sector.
22:43
Speaker 1: And we're seeing our national security agenda and our technology
22:47
Speaker 1: agenda being held back and let down by our energy
22:51
Speaker 1: policy makers. And the future of Australia's economy and security
22:54
Speaker 1: is actually at stake here. It's not even just about
22:57
Speaker 1: our bills at home.
22:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's a really thing. I wanted to get
23:00
Speaker 2: into that a bit because one of the arguments Labor
23:03
Speaker 2: was making during the last federal election campaign was that
23:07
Speaker 2: their plan provided for more gigawatts going into the grid
23:11
Speaker 2: than the coalition's policy, suggesting that they had a more
23:15
Speaker 2: expansive plan for energy. But if I'm hearing you write,
23:18
Speaker 2: if you read between the lines, all of that power
23:21
Speaker 2: wouldn't be on at the same time because it would
23:24
Speaker 2: just be switching for one different renewable thing to batteries
23:26
Speaker 2: to another thing which doesn't seem like a great way
23:29
Speaker 2: to run a railroad. Nonetheless, a modern electricity degree that
23:33
Speaker 2: might need to power massive AI server farms and that
23:36
Speaker 2: sort of thing.
23:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, so perhaps to kind of illustrate it, our artificial intelligence,
23:47
Speaker 1: future national security and cybersecurity agenda all rely on having
23:52
Speaker 1: sovereign data centers, which are very energy hungry, but they
23:55
Speaker 1: also demand an exceptionally clean and reliable signal. So renewals
23:59
Speaker 1: a particularly unsuited to our data center agenda. And that's
24:03
Speaker 1: where you need much more reliable, consistent power. And the
24:07
Speaker 1: problem where you have unreliability, for example with the data
24:11
Speaker 1: center is data centers underpin drug dispensation in ICU in hospitals.
24:16
Speaker 1: They underpin air traffic control at our airports. It underpins
24:22
Speaker 1: our ability to launch our navigation system for missiles and
24:28
Speaker 1: aircraft in the case of a war situation. So you
24:32
Speaker 1: can't have that data sitting in a foreign country. It
24:34
Speaker 1: has to be here. Now, I want you to imagine
24:36
Speaker 1: what happens to air traffic control or an ICU units
24:40
Speaker 1: if it stops working for just ten minutes, let alone
24:43
Speaker 1: a day, and the situation is die and that's why
24:46
Speaker 1: you cannot have an increasingly unreliable grid while also trying
24:50
Speaker 1: to build all these core health, national security, and technology
24:56
Speaker 1: agendas at the same time. We need to get back
24:58
Speaker 1: to reliability taking priority again. Otherwise again that technology national
25:04
Speaker 1: security agenda gets held back.
25:06
Speaker 2: And finally, Saul, I just want to ask you two
25:08
Speaker 2: about whether events going on around the world. One of
25:10
Speaker 2: the things Labor has always blamed rising power prices on
25:13
Speaker 2: was Russia's invasion of Ukraine and what that did to
25:16
Speaker 2: energy prices. Well, Venezuela. Now the situation there is that
25:20
Speaker 2: the US might be bringing back all of that capacity
25:22
Speaker 2: for the world market. Would that wind up, is the
25:26
Speaker 2: Trump action in Venezuela potentially going to bring oil prices down,
25:29
Speaker 2: and would that have any flow on effect to our
25:32
Speaker 2: own energy prices, not just our prices at the pump.
25:39
Speaker 1: Well, before I just touched on the Venezuela question, just
25:41
Speaker 1: please address this excuse that we keep hearing from the
25:44
Speaker 1: government that higher prices are due to the impact of
25:48
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War on gas. Today, international gas prices are
25:52
Speaker 1: lower than they were prior to the Ukraine War, So
25:56
Speaker 1: it's no excuse the reason price is higher today is
25:59
Speaker 1: because of sea settings. It's got nothing to do with
26:02
Speaker 1: Ukraine or global gas markets. But to come to your
26:05
Speaker 1: question on Venezuela, look, obviously very early days, there's a
26:11
Speaker 1: quite a few pieces of that would have to fall
26:13
Speaker 1: into place for Trump's ambition there to see a transition
26:17
Speaker 1: to a government which is more pro US and you know,
26:22
Speaker 1: to happen now. If it happens, though, you will see
26:25
Speaker 1: significant interest by the majors to invest in Venezuelan oil
26:29
Speaker 1: that could see its production double or triple over the
26:31
Speaker 1: course of the next several years, and that will bring
26:33
Speaker 1: down prices. In particular, you could even see something like
26:37
Speaker 1: Venezuela leave OPEC and provide more pressure on Opek's cartel behavior,
26:42
Speaker 1: which again could put further download pressure on prices. So
26:45
Speaker 1: the ambition, if it's realized, could be quite beneficial in
26:49
Speaker 1: terms of lowering prices. But there's still again quite a
26:52
Speaker 1: few pieces that need to fall into place before that happens.
26:55
Speaker 2: Well, So all, as a V eight driver, I am
26:57
Speaker 2: hoping that it does all fall in place, Thank you
26:59
Speaker 2: so much. So cavanas now stick around because still to
27:01
Speaker 2: come after the break, I've got a retired US Army
27:04
Speaker 2: colonel who's going to take us behind the scenes of
27:07
Speaker 2: the Trump administration's Maduro operation. And later in the hour
27:10
Speaker 2: we're going to go to Brendan O'Neill for the latest
27:12
Speaker 2: from the UK.
27:13
Speaker 3: So stick around. Well.
27:18
Speaker 2: I wanted to go back to some of the reaction
27:20
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump's move to remove Nicholas Maduro from power
27:23
Speaker 2: in Venezuela and have a bit more of a chat
27:26
Speaker 2: about this Santa Claus fantasy that the Left seems to
27:29
Speaker 2: hold on to when it comes to this thing they
27:31
Speaker 2: call international law. And who better to unpack the legalities
27:37
Speaker 2: and technicalities of this precision military operation than my next guest,
27:42
Speaker 2: Kurt Schlichter. He's a retired US Army colonel, a lawyer,
27:46
Speaker 2: a senior columnist town hall dot com, and also the
27:49
Speaker 2: author of the Kelly Turnbull series of action novels, including
27:52
Speaker 2: the latest installment, Panama Read, which is some great summer
27:56
Speaker 2: reading for you right there, Kurt, Welcome to the program.
28:00
Speaker 2: And I want to start out with all of this
28:02
Speaker 2: handwringing about international law. I mean, here in Australia we
28:06
Speaker 2: now have so called experts saying that we may need
28:10
Speaker 2: to reevaluate the American Alliance because of Trump's actions in Venezuela.
28:16
Speaker 2: This is fairly ridiculous, isn't it.
28:19
Speaker 11: International law is a guy with a rifle standing there.
28:23
Speaker 11: International law enforcement is whether you can move him or not.
28:27
Speaker 11: It's an illusion, it's childish. It is designed by weaker
28:31
Speaker 11: nations to restrain stronger nations. And America played along and
28:36
Speaker 11: still plays along, mostly because we're a nation that at
28:41
Speaker 11: heart is good and we feel that there should be
28:43
Speaker 11: some sort of international order.
28:44
Speaker 3: But you know, we need to be clear about this.
28:48
Speaker 11: America's interests are America's interests, and those are what we're
28:52
Speaker 11: going to pursue. We're not going to pursue arbitrary constructions
28:57
Speaker 11: by some shard in a swelling, ssri ridden leftist woman
29:03
Speaker 11: who thinks that she can shame, nag and pester us
29:06
Speaker 11: into conformance. And we're not going to tolerate communists in
29:10
Speaker 11: our hemisphere.
29:11
Speaker 3: That's done. It's over. Get over it, guys and gals.
29:15
Speaker 2: And you know, the thing that strikes me about this
29:17
Speaker 2: whole idea of international law is nobody has an answer
29:19
Speaker 2: to this question, which is that you know, if you
29:23
Speaker 2: followed the UN Charter and said you can't you go
29:26
Speaker 2: into another country and do something like Donald Trump and
29:29
Speaker 2: the Pentagon just did. The Maduro is still in power,
29:32
Speaker 2: the Venezuelans are still suffering. We've still got in America.
29:36
Speaker 2: You've still got this huge problem with Venezuela, with Russia,
29:39
Speaker 2: with China, with Iran on their doorstep. There's no answer
29:43
Speaker 2: that this construction, of this progressive construction of international law
29:47
Speaker 2: has to What do you do about a problem like
29:50
Speaker 2: a Maduro?
29:51
Speaker 11: Well, look in once these people start babbling about international law.
29:56
Speaker 11: I was a trial lawyer for thirty years as well
29:59
Speaker 11: as an infantry colonel. My first question is, well, which
30:02
Speaker 11: one do you mean? And what's it require? And what
30:05
Speaker 11: are the obligations on the people asserting it? And furthermore,
30:09
Speaker 11: And of course I never get a good answer. It's
30:11
Speaker 11: like when they say, well, you're violating the Geneva Convention, Well,
30:14
Speaker 11: which one and which nation state.
30:17
Speaker 3: Is a signatory to it? To who's having it violated?
30:22
Speaker 11: My question is why, again, is the United States or
30:28
Speaker 11: any nation going to agree to some sort of system
30:31
Speaker 11: of rules that requires us to have a hostile power
30:35
Speaker 11: in our backyard. That's sending US poison, that's sending US criminals,
30:40
Speaker 11: that's providing a headquarters for China, Russia, Iran, Hesbola, and
30:45
Speaker 11: the damn Cubans.
30:46
Speaker 2: No, exactly, Kurt, And you know also because you're an
30:50
Speaker 2: infantry colonel, former infantry colonel, I want to talk to
30:52
Speaker 2: you about the operation itself too, and particularly about all
30:55
Speaker 2: of this bleeding as well, about how Congress wasn't notified,
30:59
Speaker 2: how they kept it two secret, but you would know
31:01
Speaker 2: about planning this sort of operation of the need for secrecy.
31:04
Speaker 2: I'm amazed that some of those complaining right now don't
31:07
Speaker 2: get it. But I have been so impressed by Marco Rubio,
31:11
Speaker 2: who I think has been the man of the side
31:12
Speaker 2: at all of this. Here his response here to NBC's
31:15
Speaker 2: Kirsten Walker, who didn't get any of this.
31:18
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
31:21
Speaker 8: This was a law enforcement function to capture an indicted
31:24
Speaker 8: drug trafficker, and of course we needed the Department of
31:27
Speaker 8: or to support it because they do have anti aircraft
31:29
Speaker 8: missiles that could shoot down those helocaust Will you we
31:32
Speaker 8: had to take down radars, We had to take down
31:33
Speaker 8: those anti air elements on the way in and on
31:36
Speaker 8: the way out, and that's what this was limited.
31:38
Speaker 7: But will you seek congressional approval for any further action
31:42
Speaker 7: in Venezuela or the region.
31:45
Speaker 8: Well, we will seek congressional approval for actions that require
31:48
Speaker 8: congressional approval.
31:50
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that was a great answer right there, but.
31:53
Speaker 3: He's so good exactly. Look, Look, the American.
31:57
Speaker 11: Constitution's not a suicide act, Okay. You know, you know,
32:01
Speaker 11: if there's a you know, if the nuclear missiles are
32:04
Speaker 11: coming over the Arctic Circle heading towards the US, you
32:07
Speaker 11: don't have to convene Congress to figure out whether you
32:09
Speaker 11: push the big red button to send the damn communists
32:13
Speaker 11: to Hell where they belong. The Constitution envisions the Congress
32:19
Speaker 11: declaring war, and that's.
32:21
Speaker 3: A good thing.
32:22
Speaker 5: I know.
32:22
Speaker 11: I've been in a couple of wars, and you want
32:25
Speaker 11: the United States, the people of the United States to
32:28
Speaker 11: were elected representatives to weigh in on extended, continuing military operations.
32:34
Speaker 3: But the president is the commander in.
32:36
Speaker 11: Chief of our military, and he has a right to
32:39
Speaker 11: exercise and the authority and the duty, frankly, to exercise
32:45
Speaker 11: the power of the office and defeat our enemies quickly
32:49
Speaker 11: and surgically. I mean, you know, this military operation was
32:53
Speaker 11: over and done before most of these people could start complaining.
32:57
Speaker 11: And that's because our guys are so damn good. And
33:00
Speaker 11: you're right, I do know about planning operations. Uh, it
33:04
Speaker 11: is hard to imagine imagine being a conductor with a
33:07
Speaker 11: symphony orchestra the size of a soccer stadium, well, football stadium,
33:13
Speaker 11: whatever you guys call it, and and and Americans are
33:18
Speaker 11: so damn good at it, you know, but I think
33:20
Speaker 11: it's necessary. I have a shout out to our Australian
33:23
Speaker 11: friends who are tactically well, we just adore you guys.
33:27
Speaker 11: You're so damn good at this stuff. But we're really
33:31
Speaker 11: good at massive logistical intelligence, cyber communication, synchronization and sustainment
33:40
Speaker 11: and execution. This is what America does best. And our
33:44
Speaker 11: guys did an amazing job. This is legendary stuff.
33:49
Speaker 2: And they managed to take out Hugo Chavez's tube in
33:51
Speaker 2: the process too, which I thought was a really great
33:54
Speaker 2: touch there with Kurt Wall have got you can We
33:56
Speaker 2: also just have a little quick chat about Greenland. Keir Starmren,
33:59
Speaker 2: the the Danish government and other Europeans are having a
34:03
Speaker 2: meltdown over Trump's latest comments about Greenland, saying that if
34:06
Speaker 2: the US takes Greenland, which by the way, the US
34:09
Speaker 2: occupied during World War Two and which has tried to
34:12
Speaker 2: acquire a number of times. It's the end of NATO.
34:15
Speaker 2: Can you explain for our Australian viewers why the Trump
34:19
Speaker 2: administration is so keen on Green Greenland? But also how
34:24
Speaker 2: the bleeding about this from Europe kind of actually exposes
34:28
Speaker 2: some of the weakness on that side of the Atlantic.
34:31
Speaker 11: Well, threatening us with the end of NATO, huh, you're
34:35
Speaker 11: going to threaten me with a good time, right.
34:37
Speaker 3: See.
34:37
Speaker 11: Traditionally threats are things that you really don't want to happen.
34:41
Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there.
34:44
Speaker 11: The fact is, Look, America is not going to go
34:46
Speaker 11: in and start killing our allies to grab that hunk
34:49
Speaker 11: of land. The Danish can't protect it, which is why
34:52
Speaker 11: it's been an American protectorate. And the United States believes
34:58
Speaker 11: that it is important strategically for us and for our
35:03
Speaker 11: friends in Europe that this key terrain be under the
35:06
Speaker 11: control of a force that can actually defend it, and
35:11
Speaker 11: the only force of.
35:11
Speaker 5: The United States.
35:12
Speaker 11: The idea of the United States is going to go
35:14
Speaker 11: in and start hurting our allies, even though we've got
35:17
Speaker 11: plenty of problems with them and their you know, their
35:21
Speaker 11: problems with free speech and their problems with immigration and
35:24
Speaker 11: their problems with being freeloading slackers is just silly.
35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kurtz Slichter, thank you so much for breaking that
35:33
Speaker 2: down for us and for your time and very happy
35:35
Speaker 2: hear to you two, sir.
35:37
Speaker 11: Hey, Happy new Year to you. Always love talking to
35:39
Speaker 11: our Arscrolian friends.
35:41
Speaker 2: Oh by the way, speaking of Greenland, this footage has
35:45
Speaker 2: just come to hand Donald Trump on Air Force one
35:48
Speaker 2: sharing his thoughts on Denmark's defense of the island. Island
35:52
Speaker 2: Icy Island Nation have listened to this. You know what
35:55
Speaker 2: Denmark did recently to push up security in Greenland.
36:00
Speaker 3: They added one more dogs man true. They thought that
36:05
Speaker 3: was a great move.
36:06
Speaker 2: You know, if this president thing doesn't work out, I
36:09
Speaker 2: reckon this guy's got a huge future and stand up now.
36:12
Speaker 2: Stick around because the Great Red and O'Neil is coming
36:15
Speaker 2: up later in the show, plus another all star panel
36:18
Speaker 2: after the break. Welcome back to Credlin. I'm James Morrow.
36:25
Speaker 2: Let's bring in our final panel for tonight's So Much
36:27
Speaker 2: to Talk About. Radio two Double C host Stephen Chenna
36:30
Speaker 2: Tiempo and Sky News contributor the Duke of the Dictionary,
36:34
Speaker 2: kel Richard Jed Slabor is facing demands to release drafts
36:39
Speaker 2: of its new hate speech and gun control legislation to
36:42
Speaker 2: make sure these bills can be scrutinized properly before they
36:45
Speaker 2: are presented to Parliament, which is set to be recalled
36:48
Speaker 2: early sometime, possibly before Australia Day. Steven Chenna Tiempo, let's
36:54
Speaker 2: start with you here. I've got a lot of concerns
36:57
Speaker 2: about these hate speech laws, particularly whether they are so rush.
37:01
Speaker 2: Nobody wants hate speech, but it feels like you're going
37:04
Speaker 2: after the wrong enemies here.
37:07
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, that's typical of this government.
37:09
Speaker 12: But it's also indicative of the lack of transparency. And
37:12
Speaker 12: we've heard the reports on this government being the least
37:15
Speaker 12: transparent government we've ever had. Now they came to power
37:18
Speaker 12: promising to do government differently, and they are going to
37:20
Speaker 12: be touchy feely and they're going to tell us everything
37:22
Speaker 12: they were doing.
37:23
Speaker 5: They've done everything.
37:23
Speaker 12: But and that's what it comes down to here, is
37:26
Speaker 12: we should be concerned about these laws.
37:27
Speaker 5: Even if you're a proponent of.
37:29
Speaker 12: Hate speech laws or the new firearms laws or whatever
37:32
Speaker 12: legislation might be, you should be afraid of the fact
37:35
Speaker 12: that this government doesn't want proper scrutiny of any of
37:38
Speaker 12: its legislation. And that's been a hallmark over the last
37:43
Speaker 12: year or so since the last election, or at least
37:45
Speaker 12: over the last four years since they're elected the first time,
37:48
Speaker 12: is that they try to rush all of this stuff
37:49
Speaker 12: through Parliament. They've ram it through without any proper scrutiny,
37:52
Speaker 12: without proper committees, etc. That's what we should be really
37:55
Speaker 12: concerned about, is that we are getting rubbish legislation because
37:59
Speaker 12: a government is driven by ideology rather than good process.
38:03
Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right, and kel one of my concerns
38:05
Speaker 2: here too is that Australia is going down the road
38:08
Speaker 2: of the United Kingdom here insofar as it is deciding
38:11
Speaker 2: that the enemy of social cohesion is the people themselves,
38:15
Speaker 2: who need to be ever more tightly policed about what
38:18
Speaker 2: they can say and do and even think and view online. Keller,
38:22
Speaker 2: are you concerned that, again, this government is aiming its
38:26
Speaker 2: fire in the wrong direction because it wants to distract
38:29
Speaker 2: from some of the real causes behind the Bondai terror
38:32
Speaker 2: attack and possibly labors complicity in some of that.
38:36
Speaker 13: Look, that's exactly right. You think about what the alternative
38:41
Speaker 13: is to bringing in hatespeche and gun laws. The alternative
38:44
Speaker 13: is we sit down and work out where the anti
38:46
Speaker 13: semitism came from and how various levels of government responded
38:50
Speaker 13: to it. Oh, we can't do that. That terrified this man.
38:54
Speaker 13: He made the point earlier that he's not a leader.
38:56
Speaker 13: He's not a leader. He is a bumbling bureaucrat who
38:59
Speaker 13: looks weaker by the day. He talks like an interoffice
39:03
Speaker 13: memo and he works at the pace of a fairly
39:06
Speaker 13: slowish glacier. So he wants to do as little as
39:10
Speaker 13: possible about this. He's called in a review which is
39:12
Speaker 13: as narrow as possible, so it looks as little as possible.
39:17
Speaker 13: And if, as the rumors say, he is softening on
39:20
Speaker 13: a Royal commission, watch out for what the terms of
39:22
Speaker 13: reference are, because that will give away the fact he
39:24
Speaker 13: doesn't want to anything to be actually answered. That's why
39:27
Speaker 13: he's doing this. He'd rather bring in a damaging law
39:30
Speaker 13: that does something to your free speech in mind than
39:33
Speaker 13: actually look at his own government and what we fil
39:36
Speaker 13: what they.
39:36
Speaker 5: Fail to do.
39:37
Speaker 2: Hey, cal I Reckon, You're absolutely right about those terms
39:40
Speaker 2: of reference, and if they do a Royal commission, they
39:42
Speaker 2: are going to write those so narrowly to keep the
39:45
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office out of the frame. Hey, Steven, I
39:47
Speaker 2: want to go to another story here, broke in the
39:49
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph this morning. Here a US Drug Enforcement Administrator
39:54
Speaker 2: DEA agent based in Sydney has been booted from the
39:57
Speaker 2: country following complaints made by the a FP about his
40:02
Speaker 2: alleged compromising of an investigation. And this is the second
40:05
Speaker 2: time we've had the DEA kicked out of the country
40:08
Speaker 2: by the AFP. What Steve, it is happening here? It
40:12
Speaker 2: seems like there is a huge story underneath this between
40:15
Speaker 2: the AFP State Police, those rivalries we saw, you know,
40:19
Speaker 2: around some of the Anty seventies of incidents, and the
40:22
Speaker 2: United States who we're really considering everything's going on. We
40:25
Speaker 2: want to have all the close times we can with them.
40:29
Speaker 5: Well, there's a couple of issues here.
40:31
Speaker 12: Look, I mean, it's hard to sort of work out
40:32
Speaker 12: what's really going on here without knowing exactly what this
40:35
Speaker 12: DEA agent did. But the biggest concern here is the
40:40
Speaker 12: differences between the AFP and the New South Wales State
40:43
Speaker 12: Police and the clear animosity that is there. I mean,
40:45
Speaker 12: if we can't have our own agencies working together, what
40:48
Speaker 12: hope have we got of working with overseas agencies like
40:51
Speaker 12: the DEA that we absolutely need to be involved with
40:54
Speaker 12: because the drug importation issue is a massive issue here
40:57
Speaker 12: in Australia. And then you can extend that to illegal
40:59
Speaker 12: to back on a whole bunch of other issues, illegal firearms,
41:02
Speaker 12: all sorts of things. But look, if this agent has
41:06
Speaker 12: actually done something wrong, fine he should be expelled from
41:08
Speaker 12: the country. But if the use that Wales Police is
41:11
Speaker 12: saying no, no, this guy has done the right thing.
41:13
Speaker 12: He's actually helped us in our investigations here. But the
41:16
Speaker 12: AFP is failing. Maybe we do need this richest in
41:19
Speaker 12: review to be a little bit broader than just Bondie
41:22
Speaker 12: and look at the AFP and ago as organizations as
41:25
Speaker 12: a whole.
41:26
Speaker 2: Kel very quickly. Do we need to have more scrutiny
41:29
Speaker 2: over how our state and federal energies are working together here?
41:32
Speaker 13: Well, we do and they do need to get on better.
41:36
Speaker 13: And when it comes to drugs, we need as much
41:38
Speaker 13: help as we possibly can. A Stephen said, we have
41:40
Speaker 13: a massive drug importation problem. The DA actually knows all
41:43
Speaker 13: about that. They have international intelligence. Now if it's coming
41:46
Speaker 13: into one agency and not another, if one's agreeing with it,
41:49
Speaker 13: another's not. We got a problem and we need to
41:51
Speaker 13: find out.
41:52
Speaker 5: Well.
41:52
Speaker 2: I think you're right. And if they can get all
41:54
Speaker 2: our records together on my gov maybe they can get
41:56
Speaker 2: all of their things together between the AFP and the
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Speaker 2: new Whales Coppers. Stephen Sheenne Tiempo kel Rich is gonna
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Speaker 2: have to leave it here. Thank you both for your time. Now,
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Speaker 2: do not go anywhere. You are not going to want
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Speaker 2: to miss this. We've got the great Brendan O'Neil with
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Speaker 2: me after the break. Welcome back to the program. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Morrow, filling in for Peter Kredlin. Now, while young
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Speaker 2: Iranians are fighting for their freedom on the streets of Tehran,
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Speaker 2: many in the West are more focusing focused on opposing
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Speaker 2: Israel than they are on supporting the Iranian people. Spiked
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Speaker 2: online chief political reporter Brendan O'Neil has exposed the perverse
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Speaker 2: priorities of Western progressives in his latest piece in the
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Speaker 2: Spectator magazine. Will we ever understand the logic of the
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Speaker 2: progressive left of the West. Brendan joins me live from
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Speaker 2: London to discuss more. And I'm really hoping, Brendan, that
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Speaker 2: you can enlighten me about this.
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Speaker 14: Well, you know that these people have yapped about nothing
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Speaker 14: but the Middle East for the past two years, and
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Speaker 14: now as soon as the people of Iran started rising
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Speaker 14: up against their ruthless theocratic rulers, they suddenly stopped talking
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Speaker 14: about the Middle East.
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Speaker 15: They've got a good get out now because.
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Speaker 14: They're obsessing over Maduro and Venezuela and everything else, so
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Speaker 14: they can kind of look the other way. The truth
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Speaker 14: of the matter is they don't give a damn about
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Speaker 14: the freedom of Iranian men and women. And in fact,
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Speaker 14: the progressive left in the Western world instinctively wants the
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Speaker 14: Iranian regime to survive because it sees it as a
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Speaker 14: great bulwark against Israel. They see it as the regime
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Speaker 14: that might finally take down the Jewish state, which of
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Speaker 14: course is the state they hate above all others. So
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Speaker 14: you have this incredibly perverse situation where the privileged Kafem
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Speaker 14: mob in the West wants the theocratic mob to stay
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Speaker 14: in power, while the young people of Iran wanted to
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Speaker 14: drive it away from power. And I think that divide
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Speaker 14: between these two groups is so revealing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Brendan, you know, I think it's about more
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Speaker 2: than just Israel here, because I remember growing up. The
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Speaker 2: left used to be all on the side of freedom.
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Speaker 2: It was you know, anti apartheid, it was free to
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Speaker 2: be and all of that, and now it seems like
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Speaker 2: something very perverse has happened to what we're wanting noble
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Speaker 2: instincts there, and now it's all about just whoever is
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Speaker 2: against the West, we're on their side.
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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, absolutely, It's about more than Israel. It touches
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Speaker 14: on that very question as well. It also touches on
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Speaker 14: the problem of Islamophobia, which I think you want to
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Speaker 14: talk about too, because you know, when you have a
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Speaker 14: generation that has been brought up to think that criticizing
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Speaker 14: the Hijob is bigoted, and criticizing the Quran is bigoted,
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Speaker 14: and criticizing anything to do with Islam is a species
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Speaker 14: of racism, they are going to be completely incapable and
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Speaker 14: in fact unwilling to join the forces of these young
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Speaker 14: people in Iran who are pushing back against an Islamic regime,
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Speaker 14: who are throwing their hit jobs onto open fires, who
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Speaker 14: are saying down with Islamist theocracy. I think people are
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Speaker 14: so brainwashed by the cult of Islamophobia that they don't
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Speaker 14: even want to seem to be criticizing a ruthless.
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Speaker 15: Regime like the one in Iran. So you're right.
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Speaker 14: It touches on so many different things, and it particularly
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Speaker 14: highlights the moral cowardice and the moral relativism of Western progressives.
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Speaker 2: And we see it in the British Labor Party where
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Speaker 2: the Home Secretary has decided they are not going to
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Speaker 2: use their powers to deport a controversial activist called a
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Speaker 2: la abd el Fata. Now this person is Egyptian. They
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Speaker 2: have a long long history of really really virulent violent
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Speaker 2: tweet social media, post speeches, all sorts of things. This
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Speaker 2: person has been granted citizenship by the UK, and now
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Speaker 2: Home Secretary Shabahama Bood has said she's not going to
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Speaker 2: use her powers to deport this Egyptian who's only granted
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Speaker 2: briticitizenship in twenty twenty one because of I think his mother, Brendan.
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Speaker 2: What's the latest on this.
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Speaker 14: It's a really shocking story and it really tells us
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Speaker 14: so much about Kirs Stalmer's government here in the UK.
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Speaker 14: You know El Klatter, this Egyptian so called human rights activist, yeah,
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Speaker 14: is actually someone with deeply unpleasant views, very very unpleasant views.
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Speaker 14: He was tweeting about killing Zionists. He was tweeting certain
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Speaker 14: racist terms. He was saying that he hates white people,
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Speaker 14: he wants to genocide white people and kill British police officers,
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Speaker 14: you know. And he was tweeting all this when he
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Speaker 14: was twenty nine years old, thirty years old. So these
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Speaker 14: are not stupid tweets written by a teenager. He was
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Speaker 14: a full grown man when he wrote this stuff. And
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Speaker 14: yet he was welcomed with open arms into the UK
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Speaker 14: a couple of weeks ago by Kirstarma and by the
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Speaker 14: rest of the government. They are such idiots. They didn't
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Speaker 14: even do their due diligence. And look at what this
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Speaker 14: guy has been saying, and it's all on the public record,
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Speaker 14: and now the Home.
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Speaker 15: Secretary refuses to deport him.
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Speaker 14: I think our borders are so broken at the moment
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Speaker 14: we would have led in just about anyone. And I
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Speaker 14: think this is really a story of the crisis of
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Speaker 14: British sovereignty and the inability of the British government to
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Speaker 14: get a handle on who's coming to this country and
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Speaker 14: whether or not they deserve to be here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, look, that's absolutely right, and you know, Britain
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Speaker 2: and law is all also a great example of what
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Speaker 2: happens when you get your multiculturalism so wrong that you
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Speaker 2: have to keep policing when everybody says and does. And
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Speaker 2: I was really struck by this story today the British
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Speaker 2: press that the Hindu community in Britain is warning that
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Speaker 2: Labour's definition of Islamophobia is going to have a chilling, significant, significant,
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Speaker 2: chilling effect on their freedom of speech. Brendan, this seems
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Speaker 2: like a fascinating little tale of what happens, you know,
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Speaker 2: when you start to balkanize your society so much that
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Speaker 2: all you can do is titen the rules on everybody
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Speaker 2: that's right.
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Speaker 14: And you know, Islamophobia is such a slippery word. I mean,
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Speaker 14: I think just about everyone now knows what it really means.
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Speaker 14: It means that you're not allowed to criticize any aspect
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Speaker 14: of Islam. It is a rehabilitation of blasphemy laws through
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Speaker 14: the back door to create this new force field around
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Speaker 14: one religion, only the religion of Islam, so that you
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Speaker 14: can't criticize its belief system, you can't criticize its ideas,
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Speaker 14: it's Holy Book, or any of the practices of Muslim people.
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Speaker 14: And it does clamp down on freedom of speech, the
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Speaker 14: freedom of speech of ordinary Brits, the freedom of speech
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Speaker 14: of Hindu Brits. It really does. But you're right, Britain
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Speaker 14: is Balkanizing. The project of multiculturalism has turned us into
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Speaker 14: these different ethnic enclaves who are constantly at each other's
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Speaker 14: throats and looking at each other with suspicion. Britain is
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Speaker 14: a prime example of how the ideology of multiculturalism doesn't work.
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Speaker 14: Unless we stand up for true British values and compel
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Speaker 14: people to subscribe to them if they want to live
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Speaker 14: in this country, then we're in big trouble.
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Speaker 2: And just quickly, Brendan, it does seem ironic to be
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Speaker 2: that Britain, which created free speech and the right to
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Speaker 2: speak about the Church and anybody else, is now going
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Speaker 2: down this road.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely.
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Speaker 14: You know, we have struggled so hard in this country
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Speaker 14: for freedom of the press and freedom of speech. We've
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Speaker 14: been doing that for hundreds of years. Arguably we influence
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Speaker 14: the Americans to adopt the First Amendment as well when
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Speaker 14: they defend freedom of speech, and now we're just sacrificing
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Speaker 14: it all in the name of multicultural.
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Speaker 2: Brandon, We're gonna have to leave it there. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for your insights. It's always a great pleasure
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Speaker 2: to talk to you. Thank you everybody for your company. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: stick around because the Bolt Report with James McPherson is
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Speaker 2: coming up next