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Mirna Eusebio Lithgow: Bold Leaps Through Change · The Bold Lounge

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bold Lounge podcast.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Leigh Burgess and I will be your host.
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  Speaker 1: If you're anything like me, you love hearing inspiring stories of people who have gone on bold journeys and made a positive impact in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Every week, we'll hear from someone who has taken a leap or embarked on an extraordinary journey.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bold Lounge.
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  Speaker 1: Today I have Myrna Acepio-Lithgow.
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  Speaker 1: She is an award-winning and high-achieving technology marketer and product executive with over 20 years of multinational experience managing brands, p&l and product portfolios up to $10 billion in Fortune 500 companies such as Verizon, france Telecom, orange and Optimum.
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  Speaker 1: A sought-after thought leader, speaker and board member and trusted C-level advisor in digital and business transformation, and founder and CEO of LeapView Group.
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  Speaker 1: She is a woman's leadership advocate and a passionate supporter of technology, education and entrepreneurship.
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  Speaker 1: Her work has been awarded and featured by Cablefax, forbes, latam, sherunsit, the WIC Network and Adweek, among many others.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bold Lounge.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: So excited to jump in to your journey, your book, but we're going to start off with some bold definitions, so we'd love to learn from you what is your definition of bold?
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  Speaker 2: Bold for me is like daring to redefine what's possible.
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  Speaker 2: It's like being a strategic, really good at that decision making and not only envisioning kind of that future, but also it's like prepping yourself to moments of pivot, to being able to adapt swiftly to any challenge or changes that come in front of you.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of great words in there, so daring to redefine what is possible, really preparing yourself for possible pivots I love the alliteration in that among lots of things, but just being ready.
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  Speaker 1: And then adaptability, and you didn't say the word, but resilience of like, yes, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't didn't go as planned, but I'm going to keep moving forward and I'm going to.
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  Speaker 1: This didn't go as planned, but I'm going to keep moving forward and I'm going to try to figure things out and I will might just take a little longer.
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  Speaker 1: So, when you think about your definition, when's the first time or a moment that you remember living that definition?
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  Speaker 2: Well, so many moments, I will say so many bold moments in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's kind of the definition of my life to adapt to change.
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  Speaker 2: That that's kind of the definition of my life to adapt to change.
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  Speaker 2: And I talked about it in the book.
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  Speaker 2: As you know that I'm writing, or just finalized writing, leap Out of your Lane.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, I've gone through burnouts, moments in my career.
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  Speaker 2: The first 10 years of my career was super busy, always, you know, up to the next challenge.
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  Speaker 2: One of the moments that I think were pivotal in my career was joining a cable company that was actually in Chapter 11.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of people will tell me you're crazy.
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  Speaker 2: You're just crazy Like, this company is going through Chapter 11.
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  Speaker 2: You've had a wonderful reputation.
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  Speaker 2: I used to work 10 years for Verizon at that time and I had an interview with the CEO and the top level executives of the company and I said this is something going on here that is different from anything that I've experienced.
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  Speaker 2: And I just took the decision and said this is going to be successful.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be part of this.
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  Speaker 2: This is a new experience for me and it worked wonders.
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  Speaker 2: It helped me understand how to do a lot with little or none of the resources that you traditionally have when you're working for a company that has the big bucks right.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a real and bold moment.
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  Speaker 2: We got the company out of Chapter 11 in 18 months.
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  Speaker 2: You can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of and I talk about it in the book like a band of brothers, you know, coming together and making that work.
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  Speaker 2: And a second pivotal moment in my career that I will say it's a bold moment as well is that the first 10 years of my career I spent on B2C catering to the consumer market, building products, doing product marketing, everything around the consumer to be part of a new venture that Orange and France Telecom was doing around having a fixed services or wireless services in telecommunication.
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  Speaker 2: That's how it's called for the B2B market.
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  Speaker 2: I had worked a little bit on B2B, but mostly SMBs, and I took, I had the courage, I had to be bold and I joined the company to actually build all the business to business portfolio and after a couple of years I ended up managing the full B2B business in more than 300 employees, you know, in my organization.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a pivotal moment and a bold moment for me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, what would you say your mission is when you think about you know certain parts of a career like we have a purpose and a passion and a mission, and I found that it's evolved for me over time and I think I'm settled in kind of what I'm, what I'd like to do now, now that I'm an entrepreneur and doing my thing.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm curious about you kind of, in your career, your career evolution, advancement, kind of what is your current really focus and mission?
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  Speaker 2: My mission is transformation and making sure that businesses and people feel comfortable going through transformation.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mission of what I'm calling dismissify the negatives towards the word change and towards the word like transformation.
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  Speaker 2: Every time somebody thinks about change it's like ooh, you know, it's something that is happening to me.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you know I like to do the same thing every day, so I have that mission and through that I'm also fulfilling my purpose, that is, paying it forward to others.
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of amazing people that in some of them and executives that are part of my personal board of directors right now, and some of them I interviewed, actually for the book as well and that purpose is being that light for others in that transformation journey.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think people really shy away or have a reaction to the word change In the sense of like have we just had bad experiences with it?
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  Speaker 1: Is it history, Is it a bad leader or someone who didn't really support us?
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  Speaker 1: Is it all the above?
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  Speaker 2: This is such a great question and you know I had that question when I started writing the book.
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  Speaker 2: I said I'm writing a book about change, like I should kind of know and do even more research about it.
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  Speaker 2: In my life story I always saw that I had like a different mindset towards change, but still it brings you fear, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you know fear is really connected to that.
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  Speaker 2: But doing the research and I include that in the book as well One of the things that I saw is that our brain is not wired and designed to manage change.
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  Speaker 2: Every time that we introduce a new variable, there has to be like a rewiring in our brain and even the reaction.
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  Speaker 2: There is even a physical reaction and a psychological reaction to it, like you had like a jaguar or you know a lion that was hunting you.
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  Speaker 2: You tend to have like that reaction I'm in danger.
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  Speaker 2: So feeling in danger is not a great feeling.
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  Speaker 2: So it's definitely ingrained in who we are and it is something that we need to reprogram our brain and reprogram ourselves to manage.
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  Speaker 1: So the unknown can lead to fear, can lead to you know, feeling like we don't have a plan, that we had a plan but now everything's changed, or that you're just not sure what's next.
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  Speaker 1: Right With change?
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  Speaker 1: I think change and being bold they're kind of partners, because you're usually having a change or going through or implementing or doing something differently.
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  Speaker 1: Right, you definitely stepped out of the comfort zone or the zone you've been in.
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  Speaker 1: If you're transforming, if you're being bold, if you're leaping.
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  Speaker 1: So who is this book for and who can apply the concepts of the leaper's mindset?
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  Speaker 2: You know that's a great segue to talk about what.
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  Speaker 2: You know who a leaper is.
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  Speaker 2: And basically becoming a leaper is just having that growth mindset right.
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  Speaker 2: You embrace change with a different mindset.
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  Speaker 2: Understanding that change, even if it's in your personal or professional life, is an opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: That opportunity you're going to take it to accelerate your growth.
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  Speaker 2: So leapers see the new challenge as something that is preparing them for the following challenge and for the next challenge and making you grow stronger.
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  Speaker 2: There is an expression and I love this Kelly Clarkson song what doesn't kill you, make you stronger.
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  Speaker 2: I've told that to several bosses and also to my teams and it's basically that it's makes you stronger.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes I don't know if you had those moments when you say, oh, wow, you know this was preparing me for this other moment and you kind of realize that, right, you don't know the moment, but you're like looking back and go, wow, I went through all of that to be where I am Exactly, exactly, and one of the concepts that I also talk about is that there's no story without struggle.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody has in their families a moment where you have struggled, but then you remember that and that gives you then that lighting bulb moment of, oh, I did this, I can apply that here.
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  Speaker 2: Or, you know, I was able to conquer that, so why not conquer this new challenge?
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, tying back to your question, absolutely, this goes to anyone that can actually wants to incorporate change in their lives, but they don't know how to pivot and actually act.
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  Speaker 2: And it ties back to it could be, you know, rising leaders, leaders that are already established in their midlife careers, and they're asking themselves you know, this is not really what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: You know I want to do something else, something more.
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  Speaker 2: Or they have that in their hearts and minds of what if you know the, what if I would have gone through this other, you know path?
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  Speaker 2: And what if I start a new chapter in my life?
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  Speaker 2: So the book is about anyone that wants to incorporate change in their lives, and the expression is use change as your currency, learning how to navigate those unknowns and not only just help you navigate them, but also help you understand how can you provoke change in your life to your benefit.
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  Speaker 1: As a leaper, we've just heard of kind of what that's defined as.
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  Speaker 1: What are the steps that a leaper goes through when they're embracing change or thinking about change as their currency, the way to get to the what's next?
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  Speaker 1: Is there a primary like here's the three steps or here's the two things that you do as a leaper?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, and that's a great question and segue to talk about also the eight-step approach of the playbook and that actually that's what also the book is about.
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  Speaker 2: So I start off the book and the book is divided into these three parts.
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  Speaker 2: First, to be able to take the steps, you have to understand the leaper's mindset.
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  Speaker 2: How does a leaper think, which are the traits which are actually also go through that introspection and those examples of leapers and understand that it's a mindset shift.
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  Speaker 2: Then the Leapers Playbook is the second part of the book and it's eight strategies.
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  Speaker 2: That takes you step by step to understand and to start crafting what is kind of that purpose and how can you incorporate change in your life.
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  Speaker 2: And it's important what you said, lee, about steps and prepping you.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people you know, read in books about taking a leap of faith or it just, you know, quit your job or you know you don't have to bear with this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just, you know, quit your job or you know you don't have to bear with this.
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  Speaker 2: You know change towards another direction.
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  Speaker 2: But it takes like two big steps that I will summarize those eight strategies.
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  Speaker 2: That is, planning and execution your life and a lot of the things that happen or do not happen in your life around how well you plan or how well you execute.
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  Speaker 2: So the Leapers Playbook helps you with the planning, the full planning cycle, and start getting towards the steps of action.
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  Speaker 2: And then the Leapers Blueprint that is the third part is a way of walking you through a six steps model that I'm calling the Leapers Action Six, and those six steps takes you towards the execution.
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  Speaker 2: How can I incorporate this in my life and how can I create my own blueprint to be able to incorporate change and take advantage of it?
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  Speaker 1: When you wrote this book and you were thinking through it, what did you learn about yourself or some of the impactful moments in your own career as you were kind of putting it out?
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  Speaker 1: You and I talked a little bit during pre-tape of just writing books and kind of it's an experience and you learn a lot about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: So I was wondering kind of what came up for you as you were writing.
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  Speaker 1: This connected to moments in your career or moments particularly around change.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I started writing the book, you know, I moved with my family seven years ago to New York and it was a moment, a pivotal moment for us and a moment of change also in my career, and I will say that that was the moment, the pivotal moment of my career after all those learnings.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to go back and start, you know, writing a little bit of my life story and my career journey.
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  Speaker 2: As I went back, I started connecting with those moments.
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  Speaker 2: That were moments of, you know, grief, losing, you know, somebody in our family that was very close, and were moments that bond us together as a family being, you know, all by ourselves, without not a support structure and people that we knew in a new country and in a new state right in New York.
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  Speaker 2: All of that were moments where I started thinking about again, you know, what is the purpose, why I really write in the book and one of the things that I, you know, as I went through all that, I did also my own introspection and I started seeing how all the skills that had, you know, helped me accomplish and get to this.
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  Speaker 2: Positions C-level positions were something that I had already applied some methodology in and I had to repeat that over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: That is the planning and the execution and prepping myself towards change.
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  Speaker 2: And then being fearless and looking at what fearless really means.
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  Speaker 2: That is not the absence of fear, it's just how you confront fear and how you overcome fear.
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  Speaker 2: And then I said this is something that I need to share with the world and going through that process.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that stood out was and probably you that you're going through a same experience of writing a book is when you present your material to others and the beta testers right, the beta readers are actually going through that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moment of vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moment where you are opening your work of love that is writing a book.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like writing a book is a work of love.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing this with long nights and a lot of weekends, having a full-time job, doing a lot of things at the same time and also making sure that I was not just doing word counts, right, I was actually putting a work of love and quality in front of people.
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  Speaker 2: So that moment of vulnerability, of opening your work to others, was really touching for me and getting like the feedback, incorporating that feedback and being humble enough to also accept constructive feedback to actually make it better.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the lessons the life lessons that I've had through examples from my mom and a lot of people that I care a lot in my life it's also that you are an unfinished product and everything that you do is around understanding that you can get better and you can do better and you can be better.
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  Speaker 2: You are absolutely enough when you go to the process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is enough.
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  Speaker 2: It's not chasing you know chasing perfection on limited you know perfection.
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  Speaker 2: But it's actually being humble enough to accept that I can learn from others.
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  Speaker 2: I can learn from all of those experiences.
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  Speaker 2: I'll become a stronger and I will become a better version of myself.
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  Speaker 2: So I think you know, through the book I also became a better version of myself in a lot of aspects.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so one of the parts and pieces to writing a book is that can be a process for someone is the vulnerability of not only writing it, but, I think, the tenacity and the discipline it takes to also write a book.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I think it is a marathon, not a sprint, and depending on which type of publisher you're using, all that I mean depending on that's your timeline it may shrink or even get longer.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I think for me, one of the things was well, I just want to keep tinkering with this one, but there is a point where it's enough right, it's good enough, it's a good book and you want to share it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So I think, going through that, I definitely can relate to the vulnerability piece.
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  Speaker 1: So how can you might be be a founder use this book?
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe someone who's thinking about being an entrepreneur, making a pivot or having a second career?
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  Speaker 1: How can they use this book as a tool?
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  Speaker 2: Being a founder myself and you are a founder too and being an entrepreneur is a big quest.
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  Speaker 2: It's absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: It challenges you in so many ways.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is depending on you and absolutely you need to have so many tools in your favor to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you know, as a founder, sometimes we're too tied into an idea and probably at some point we need to open ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Is this really connected to my mission, my values, my purpose?
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  Speaker 2: If this is something that I do, what is the purpose why I'm actually doing this?
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  Speaker 2: And also it challenges your idea.
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  Speaker 2: And it's back to that point of you know evaluate if you are actually executing and you're planning and you're adapting to changes.
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  Speaker 2: As an entrepreneur, you have to adapt to changes a lot.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You had, you know you were preceded, you were in a process, but now you know you had a backlash.
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  Speaker 2: You had also at some point something that happened that was not in your plan, in your original plan, and that happens a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I think that as founders, we're always pivoting and we're always looking at which is the next step and I think you know the book will absolutely help you kind of create that plan and execute that plan, because it's so close to who you are and understanding who you are.
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  Speaker 2: What is next in terms of what you're doing?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm tying it back to also challenge your idea, challenge yourself to a greater extent.
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  Speaker 2: Just to give you an example.
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  Speaker 2: Going back to that process of the book, my son challenged me and I think I wrote about this also on one of the social platforms I think it was on LinkedIn just because he challenged me to write a poem instead of writing a story.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I had a story.
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  Speaker 2: I included a story about a small boat and the struggles of that small boat, and my mom actually was the one that told me and talked to me about the story, and I did a reflection on that and tied it to change and he said you know, mom, you could write a poem about this and this will connect differently with your audience, and I think you know it was something that he challenged me to do.
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  Speaker 2: I said I've never kind of written a poem.
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  Speaker 2: I am totally leaping out on this one too.
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  Speaker 2: So I took the challenge and I actually wrote the poem.
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  Speaker 2: It's included in the book.
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  Speaker 2: It's called A Small Boat.
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  Speaker 2: So I do think that, even though that I wanted to tell my story, in a way, I was open right to and I had my mindset already shifted into.
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  Speaker 2: This could be something emotional.
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  Speaker 2: This could be something that connects with the audience, and why not do it?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Why can't I do it?
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  Speaker 2: So I do believe that it will give a lot of founders and a lot of people that have those ideas there.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you have those ideas for years and you want to just have the courage and want to have a system that can help you put that into practice, put that into a plan, and also be able to know how you can have like a blueprint or the steps to execute it.
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  Speaker 1: What do you say to someone that says it's too late to change, I'm too old to change.
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  Speaker 1: I can't take that risk because my family depends on me.
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  Speaker 1: These are all things that can easily happen or come up in anyone's head, including my own.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So, like someone says it's just too, and then insert the word to change Hard, late, too old, what would be your guidance or advice for someone to work through that thought process?
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  Speaker 2: That is also a great question and it allows me to also connect with some of the research.
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  Speaker 2: I had also those questions going through my mind and I saw that even a lot of entrepreneurs right now are, you know, a younger generation.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're averse to risk just because they feel that there's so much uncertainty.
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  Speaker 2: We have seen like for years, the tech world was oh like a haven, right, everybody you're in tech, you're always, you know, going to be part of the startups and there's a lot of change, but your job is secure.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Nothing is secure.
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  Speaker 2: You wake up in the morning and every day you're taking decisions, but every day there's something different that is thrown at you or that happens to you.
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  Speaker 2: Change is the only constant and since it's the only constant, how you embrace it is the way that you're going to actually grow into a stronger person to be able to manage it.
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  Speaker 2: So I will say to this person that is averse to risk and change, that is the moment to rethink that.
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  Speaker 2: It's the moment to go through a process of introspection of what if and this is challenging a lot, an expression that I say in the book that I've heard a lot through the years, that, well, you know, it is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: I have, you know, a son.
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  Speaker 2: I have a daughter.
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  Speaker 2: I have people that depend on me.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot take those big risks.
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  Speaker 2: So the book is not telling you and this system is not telling you take a risk that is not calculated, or just throw yourself into lion's den, right, you know, throw yourself into situations.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: To be able to do that, you need to follow a process and that process will take you to build a resilience.
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  Speaker 2: You know, to be a change maker.
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  Speaker 2: If you see the, I will say that you know most of the change makers that have been transforming our world and our lives right, and a lot of them, like you and me, that challenge the traditional challenge, the unconventional.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: There is a process to be able to prep yourself towards that and you need steps to be able to understand which are your fears, understand how you're able to manage those fears and you can't, like, manage everything at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: You have to start looking at ways of how can I build resilience, how can I be more resilient and how can I find a path that is in line to what I want to achieve and how averse am I to risk.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of a level setting and a negotiation for you.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: When you change your mindset towards accepting that change is positive, you're not going to see that anymore as a red flag or as an alarm.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: You're going to see that into.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Hmm, this is a learning process and this is allowing me to have more than one door.
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  Speaker 2: That is a concept that I talk a lot about in the book interviewing one of the top executives in their life journeys.
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  Speaker 2: One of them talked about actually doing that changing careers.
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  Speaker 2: You know, after 10 years of successful careers, she was envisioning at that time what was going to happen in the next 20 years and she said I don't like what I see.
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  Speaker 2: I think you know it's the moment to change.
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  Speaker 2: Even though I'm extremely successful now, I do believe that these other steps are important to have a sustainable growth 10, 20 years from now.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a lot about planning and that helps us to lower your anxieties lower.
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  Speaker 2: Also.
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  Speaker 2: You know those unknowns, but also you start finding courage in you to be able to pivot if something goes wrong or not as planned.
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  Speaker 2: So I will say to those people that it's not throwing yourself into the abyss, it's not, you know, to get into things blindfolded.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It's not just a change of heart.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a lot of preparation and it takes a lot of planning.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I compare this to a magician right All the magicians, they plan their act really well, and planning is such an important part of being a good magician too.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So our lives that are important.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: We need to also take that driver's seat and plan our lives and our next steps.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So, as you think about the thoughtful process of change and how it can really veer us a certain way on our life journey and it may not be the permanent path, it may be just a possible path or something that you're going to change in the future, in the sense of like it's just the next step I think that's the other thing with change is people think, oh, it's final, like it's whatever I do next, that's the rest of my life and actually what you do next is next, that's what it is.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You know, and I think we need to think about that too.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And I think, as we generationally look at change, is there a message that you have for rising leaders or the new generation of leapers that are coming up?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: What would be your message?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: My message will be to really believe in yourself and that you can do great things, and there's a process for that and I talk about it in the book.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And you have to know yourself also and be that authentic person.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Like I've been through my life journey.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: What you see is what you get right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So being authentic, it's something that people will value and that will build trust around you and also you're going to start even believing more in yourself.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: And as you go through changes, be courageous and know that you can always pivot and you can in any given moment of your life and your career, and that will get you to even greater things in life If you open yourself up to new opportunities.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great message for everyone in listening.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: All the information about Mirna's book and how to buy it and all the information on how to reach her and her group is in the episode notes.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on the Bold Lounge.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Leigh is in the episode notes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being on the Bold Lounge.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Leigh.
• 29:16
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• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Through the continuum of bold stories vulnerability to taking a leap you will meet more extraordinary people making a positive impact for others through their unique and important story.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: By highlighting these stories, we hope to inspire others and share the journey of those with a bold mindset.
• 29:34
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