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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 13-06-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope.
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This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so
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many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us out identically free
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come I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all,
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which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life,
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giving very good morning Spain. Good morning, friends and friends, this
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is Julio Pérez, a tireless or unrepentant traveler who never regrets traveling on this
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train of life, this living parable as the abysmal life. Thirty- two
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years later, in the spring of ninety- two, pioneers of the Spanish
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Olympics of that year, that great year ninety- two. From then until
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now we have traveled through the children of the human soul and along many paths
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in the heart and many current issues and here we are still. We'
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re still riding. Then we exist with me this morning we go there,
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ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. We' re
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on the train of life. This is a traveling train, it' s
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a train of good news always, we always bring good. Sometimes we talk
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about news that is not so good, that it is disturbing, but not
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on our part, but because we don' t want to be unaware of
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what' s going on around us, much less. Of course it is
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good, because today we are also as guests of luxury. We' ve
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got our friend, too Look at you. We have a journalist, a
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man who every day from Monday to Friday, from 8 a m to 11
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a m, has a radio program with different spaces, but where he also
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bears witness to the social and political chronicle, reads the most outstanding newspapers of
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the day, and also makes interviews of various signs, issues of interest to
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the Protestant world, questions of faith but and spirituality, but also questions of
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topicality and of general interest to the citizenry. Evidently, he' s our
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friend Lucho Pan Duro. Lucho Panduro is a journalist, journalist of the real
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ones, of the Lies and also, already from his country, who studied
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university training as a journalist, and he when he arrived in Spain, because
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he already settled, already has the city many years ago. He is already
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a pastor in a church in Madrid and is the technical director. He is
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the key man, because he has a very very functional and very operational team
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around him on Dinami Radio. Dinami Radio is a radio station that has a
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lot of presence in many Spanish cities and is a radio station that is good
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under the general direction of Pastor Juan Cano, He is the visionary, the
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man who pushed the project, but the technical director of the day- to
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- day of everything that is the world of the radio is struggle, panduro.
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Well, there we have him, he' ll be with us.
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Let' s talk to him about actuality we' ve wanted. I wanted
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to fight. We are going to give a review, not a review of
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these that are good when they are put to broth, but a review of
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what is happening and what concerns us all citizens and something else of interest to
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the evangelical communities in Spain also how not. And this will be the first
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chance of the first interview. But then we' ll continue to the next
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station and meet Daniel Bañuls. Daniel Bañueles has until recently been the Secretary General
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of the Web, but he has been a pastor for many years. His
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wives, they bill active shepherds and Esther Salya is a magnificent shepherdess and he
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is a man, Daniel Bañuls is a mobilizer for many years, many and
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has a special ability to get resources from companies, organizations in humanitarian catastrophes.
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He immediately touches keys, moves and removes heaven and earth to send help to
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Turkey with the earthquake, to Morocco, when what has happened, to Assyria
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for a long time, to Ukraine, a lot of humanitarian aid. Now,
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in Côte d' Ivoire, it' s the last shipments to a
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particular orpharate and it' s always finding targets of great human needs. Let
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' s talk to him. Let' s talk. Some say Good the
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Protestant World. Well the world pretests the social work. Diaconía España, for
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example, or Dignity here in Catalonia and in several evangelical communities of autonomous regions.
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Well, they' re very operational. Dignity here in Catalonia brings together
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many humanitarian and solidarity organizations and Diaconía España is the main driving force behind the
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entire humanitarian aid project in Spain and, moreover, with very interesting and striking
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results, the humanitarian aid capital of the banking churches in Spain is great.
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There is one statistic that is what happens is that we have been a majority,
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a silent minority. And now, therefore, we want to value what
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we do for the benefit of the citizenry and for the glory of God.
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Of course, it is part of our soul to help the underprivileged, because
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there we will have the immobilizing pastor, especially humanitarian missions, humanitarian emergencies.
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Daniel Bañuls. This morning on the train of life and Mira we recovered an
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interview with Jaumallenas. Well, tomorrow he' s a lawyer, he'
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s the coordinator, the director of Bible graduate groups. He has been the
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Secretary General of the Spanish Evangelical Alliance for many years. Yaun Mallenas is one
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of the brightest minds we have in the evangelical world. Understand yourself as José
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de Segovia, as Marcos Zapata, Manuel Suárez, Pedro Tarquis and the list
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can add and, obviously, as intellectuals, I don' t want to
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include so much anymore. I mean not as much as writers, as can
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be Juan Antonio Monrey, who is one of the great intellectuals of the world.
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I don' t think I' m talking about Antonio Cruz anymore,
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Dr Antonio Cruz. Well there is the list José Moreno Berrocal and good is
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an endless list of journalists and such, but as a chatter talker, a
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sharp, brilliant, equidistant and also courageous man to make judgments of appropriate value.
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But let us talk to him about Christian conversion, conversion what is called
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conversion when he has experienced a conversion to Christianity or has converted to Catholicism,
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has converted to Protestantism. Well, it' s a rather pejorative way of
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saying things. He has not converted to Christ, he has converted to Islam,
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he has converted to Buddhism. Then, in this case, Christian conversion.
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Some questioned that it could easily be psychological manipulation. And well those of
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us who have training, included already or Mayanas is a lawyer, but those
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who study, which is academic studies, study psychology, are also part of
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our ingredient in the careers of turn. Christian conversion is a psychological manipulation,
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a self- deception, a manipulation of religion, or a truly supernatural experience.
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Well, let' s talk to him and draw conclusions to be on
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top of it. There they know the encounter between Nicodemus and Jesus, not
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that enlightened man in Shosen you see. That is one of the best dialogues
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in the series between Nicodemus and Jesus on the new birth that we read in
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chapter three of John' s Gospel. That night in secret the man is
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going to consult him. And Jesus speaks to them. Jesus speaks of being
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born again and he believes he is talking about reincarnation. And no, no,
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no, no, talking about something different. To be born again is
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not to be reincarnated, let alone. This is a fallacy, the subject
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of reincarnation. But the Christian conversion, psychological manipulation or supernatural experience with yaomalleras
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and how not the teacher I call him because it is that this man is
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a shambles of knowledge, of music, of literature, of actuality, of
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characters, of history, of philosophy, of theology, Of course, José
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de Segovia is a Protestant pastor in the city of Madrid. I sent a
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very affectionate greeting at this time to my friend José de Segovia, and he
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is also a journalist of the real and theologians, in addition to one of
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the magnificent contemporary theologians of the Protestant world. In Spain and in this talk
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we talked about the musical and social influence of the Beatles. Well, I
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remember with the beatle mane, the campered pants, the satin shirt with the
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Elvis collar. I remember. When I came to church, I was dressed
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like this at the age of eighteen and it was the fashion then. But
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the musical and social influence of the Beatles, which were the outbreak, was
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a social paradigm shift in world music. But also in the changes of social
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paradigms that were beginning to take place in all areas. The Rolly Stolls.
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We must recognize that they are a musically speaking phenomenon and we will analyze their
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influence a little bit from a really sharp point of view, as José de
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Segovia and also two, a very interesting group also with Christian connotations, but
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also philosophers of contemporary music. And I say because, well, he is
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a true philosopher, besides being an altruist and a philanthropist of these who make
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very generous donations, also for humanitarian causes. Well, then, what influence
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have these three and similar ones had, for example, on the masses and
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especially on the new generation of the previous years. Now the Beatles are gone.
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There' s still the ringo alive, I think Paul McCartney and the
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Rolling. Well, there it is, because there are some still, well,
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of the old Richards and obviously, because the singer, the leader of
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the group and all some practically all still are already almost with the cane.
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But there they go. Nothing comes out of war. Still good, so
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let' s listen to our friends on this life- life train trip or
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love it with us. Or the name of Jesus. Shields are to rescue
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the name leave Jesus. That shadows the trailerity, the God, the God,
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the unharmed one is very close to that it is chelifying you inspired riad.
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I' m ris parastres, not that. There is no other are
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ho or, sir, give a square to Christ Jesus in jumping or ro,
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the man of the right. I love to be vourida if you want
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to visit our website www point train of life, train of life or ladies
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and gentlemen, we are already in line with our good friend Lucho Pan Duro,
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a man of means. He is a man who listens to him on
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the radio in many Spanish stations, from Dinami Radio Madrid the Central and who
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has a program, as told them the pulse of life of three hours,
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where he speaks a little bit of everything of the present, of course,
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already very early what says the most outstanding presses, the most remarkable news of
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the day And then, then, an endless of interviews and talks and talks
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and, therefore, he is a very experienced man in the middle and that
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we speak with him, look at Fridays, we speak in Dinami Radio of
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the present, because today it is up to our friend Lucho to be with
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us and we will comment with him, we will talk about what happens,
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that happens in this Iberian courtyard, that is called Spain, in this chicken
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house, in the rebellion, on the farm, as said or Well,
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I do not know if exactly that happens, eh, but here there is
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a grigay that is big, very good days, welcome, Luco Julio,
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a real placen is heard. Well, perfect, perfect, very good,
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very good, for a real pleasure to be able to be with you this
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morning. Thank you for this detail of having our participation. And here we
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are for what really to some extent, because it stands in the time that
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you cordially know us so that you can be. Thank you, I fight,
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I fight that we always like. We are eternal curious and curious redeemers.
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We want to know who the character we' re talking to is.
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You' re a church pastor. Today many years ago you arrived in Spain,
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which also has Spanish nationality and you have your family. Married well married
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and also, for years you have been the programming director of Dinami Radio.
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You have journalistic training from your country. You studied journalism, I' m
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on my way and perfect. Of course, there' s all the details.
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We' re booked. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well,
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you in Madrid are a pastor besides a church. Yeah. Indeed,
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we have the privilege of serving the Lord and our brothers there in Church Evangelical
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fountain of living water in Pinto, is a community that is to the south
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of Madrid, about twenty kilometers from the capital of the Centre, and we
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have been there for ten years really working with my family, my wife,
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we are shepherding the Church fountain of living water and so really happy with all
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the challenges that always being at the head of a congregation means challenges that sometimes
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is not and almost always more in our capacities to solve it, because everything
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depends on a miracle. It is from the conclusion in time that I have
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really been working on hydrazgo and on the shepherding change, in one' s
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own life, not only but the changes themselves that are evolving, let'
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s say within the human being through the word, and how the Gospel is
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slowly permeating those layers that we have inside our brain and that, to some
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extent, we are realizing how we are progressing little by little. It'
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s a process. There are some who advance much faster, they are going
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to have a speed and there are others, because they go a little slower,
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but all, of course, in that sense of humans, of the
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Lord and we, trusting in his grace and in his favor that he really
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does because he ends up transforming us at the end, that we need to
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be light in the midst of a society that truly shines darkness and that we
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need to carry the truth of the Gospel of Christ. So there we are
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happy, because working with children, with brothers, adolescents, also parents,
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families, the elderly, which is another very significant collective of the Church,
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because when one enters, the first thing he thinks is that it is only
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the middle- aged who constitute in the Church. Then you realize that there
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are children and that they have longed for, that they are other collectives with
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which you also have to work and that they pose their own challenges. So
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for twenty years he' s been forgiven, ten years we' ve been
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working with my wife there, in this community, in the Church source of
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water, alive and integrated, because to all society let' s say and
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to our instances that represent us and very happy that Julio saw, that well
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combine the pastorate, that is a demanding job and more knowing to you,
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as you, I know that you are one of the people with your wife,
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that you give yourself to the service of others. But then the immense
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work as technical director of Dinamis Radio from the central studios of Madrid, by
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the way, very beautiful and very very very contemporary and very up- to
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- date and then with that radiating also to many other cities, with all
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your programming. But besides, you have a program Monday through Friday from 8
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: 00 a m to 11: 00 a m, The pulse of life,
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which is a program. I know what it is now. I do
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not perform a daily program, but I know what You are. You'
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ve been doing it for years on a three- hour program every day.
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It' s a super demanding job. How you do it is a big
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question. How I do it. I don' t think about it and
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I do, because if I think about it, I don' t,
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of course, because it involves a lot of work. But really our work
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is a work in that sense rather of coordination in the programme itself, because
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we have many collaborators to whom we are deeply grateful and without whom it would
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be impossible to really do that amount of hours, three hours per day and
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above all with contents that are very updated. And so because it is in
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the morning and, therefore, the rush. The times obviously mark, they
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have to mark a little bit the dynamic of the program, so it is
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much easier and more bearable to really count on brothers who are collaborating with the
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different sections. In them, for example, we have invented something of which
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together we participate in that summary of the train of life, for example,
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to warn of what is to be emitted at the different emission points. The
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content to make that advance and notice half an hour that gives of itself Anda
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and the brothers do not really help us and their help to be impossible.
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Collaborators are vital in this regard. Not then do we have some collaboration with
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brothers that you also have, of course, brothers in common. How is
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the case of Pastor Joaquin Yebra has his space with us. Dare to ask
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a program that came up in your heart and there is a challenge. We
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just not just a loud voice and a simple help and mind to do management.
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And well, the brothers, which is the other side, also do
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and fifty- five minutes there, for example, we have counted it every
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Monday. Not then. Allow me that Joaquín Llebra is one of the wise
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great sages of the world, evangelical, first- rate theologian, first-
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time pastor- dean of pastors, a man of radio, of media and
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with the greatest that he is, with a wisdom that he has in his
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answer. This man answers everything and responds well. It doesn' t go
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through the hills of ubeda, so it' s a wonder. You will
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listen and people are very grateful because doubts, concerns are solved And the challenge
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is tremendous, because that' s all done live and live. Dear Julio,
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you know how it is there there is no chance of going back,
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rewinding everything. Going on the march and it is impressive the ability that he
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has to be able to answer so many questions and concerns, and that none
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so far, in the time that we have been operating with this space,
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has said I don' t know. I' m going to write it
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down to answer it to the next program, because without an answer it won
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' t leave you yes. So far, he hasn' t been able
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to solve it in the best way. And it really is in that sense,
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because this wonderful to have its help, because it is really a content
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producer how to communicate very good and very good simple agile communicator that challenges you,
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very very very has exceptional qualities in that sense. And another thing that
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I would also put in value that sometimes we don' t stand out is
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their academic background. He has studied English philology. Yes, he' s
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an intellectual like the Latin Friki cup and the words. They say words are
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born, grow, develop, reproduce, die, rise. And then he
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loves that and that has given him a capacity also to be able to surprise
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us, although he never says he knows Hebrew and Greek, but yet he
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is magnificent. It' s a hebraistality. He is one of the best
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hebraists we have in Spain, in the evangelical world. I mean everybody.
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I imagine some brothers will be saying, but this one should be talking about
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him. But I have little to talk about Tes. No. No,
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no, but we talked on your show you got him, but you got
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Pedro Darkis, you got Mano loz. Indeed, you have Juan vare José,
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José Segovia has sixty- six names, which we are also having.
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A fragment of them. We can pass it. The whole dream. That
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' s over, all the rockers are in the dream. It' s
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really over. Hey, great. José Segovia is a serial outcast. This
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man is one of the most preeminent and brilliant minds in the Protestant world.
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And Jose talks to you about music. It is a melomaniac understood, of
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cinema, of literature, of philosophy, of theology, of course, but
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it speaks to you a day, it is not he, it is not
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invented that is this man And then the programs that you are producing from Dinami
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Radio is also the truth together with Daniel pan Duro, who are doing a
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magnificent work of production and who then also appear in some section of your program
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with Route sixty- six or such the dream. So many things are over.
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Hey, now it' s got to do with this, with the
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party. It' s over, this one that has now come out in
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the European Parliament, this one that sounded a little bit like that, I
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think it' s the man to the Visens, but well, it'
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s a coincidence like that overboard. But the idea is that what great minds
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and thinkers. Well, and then you' re there on the foot of
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a wire talking about today, highlighting the news of the day very early I
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hear some mornings. And, well, this is the man we have here
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today with us, ladies and gentlemen, and Lucho hard bread hey, Lucho
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you see, you see? The courtyard is very heated. After the European
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elections that says grace, he says well, there are twenty- two Members,
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unlike the socialists who have finished twenty who have remained good, have lost
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one seat, unlike what they had five years ago. Of course, but
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they' ve lost eight hundred thousand votes. You mean, he' s
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won the PP eight hundred minutes. No. No, they have lost two
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and a half million votes to the Socialists, compared to the last election in
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Europe. And the PP has won, compared to the last elections, the
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last ones here, our Spanish, eight hundred thousand votes. Almost eight hundred
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thousand more votes. It means, well, if that' s not winning
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by beating, I don' t know what it' s like to win
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or lose, because it says well, they don' t say they haven
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' t won. And I' m not saying that because if they'
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d won, the others would just like to ride a pair here to say
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the opposite. What I see on Wednesday when the government is under control is
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that when the government is under control, I was seeing on Wednesday the questions
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asked by the opposition to Mr Sánchez, the President of the Government and the
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management of Vice- President Montero. How ridiculous, what a slum, how
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ugly This woman is not the president of incognito, because she has to leave
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him this soon, because it is the ruin of the country. That woman
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is politically unpresentable and is also a heavy championship. I think there are people
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who, regardless of whether you differ from political thinking, have height, have
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level. You' ll disagree, but they talk as they should, it
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' s grinning arguments and so on, but it' s just that we
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' re now running into a gang that' s all grunt and the mud
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machine and all that. I think that and this is it. This is
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if you saw each other from an external projection that someone told you guys.
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This is too much. This gives already, this is emphatic. Not anymore,
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not using this terminology, because the people themselves, our own voters,
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are already saying hear what happens. This is incredible because listen, if you
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say, they are doing it in a place where no one sees it and
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that the media emits everything that is really seen and without a doubt, the
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gestures made by Maria Jesús Montero Montero, obviously are of commentary and commentary that
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express a sense that is beautiful the pathological, because really the one that you
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are in favor, that you impact to some extent the leader that you have
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in front of you. Or, for example, we who say you appreciate
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your pastor, let' s say that in this case you already super-
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appreciate your President venerates him. So it' s okay, it' s
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not okay, but I really think you have to look to some extent effectively
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at what, for example, yesterday has been done. Obviously, that is
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neither healthy nor beneficial, but as they really all submit it to an ideal
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world, then, obviously that must remain really without taking good note of how
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badly I know how ridiculous the poor woman is. That' s what I
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mean with you, as you' re describing now too, it' s
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so ridiculous aesthetics. Well, there are those who give a damn about aesthetics,
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but I think you have to keep the shapes a little bit, even
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if you speak plainly and are confrontational, and yes yes and I don'
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t know intentional in what you want to say, and you' re also
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a person who goes to the dialectical clash, but with arguments, with arguments
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or against arguments, in disagreements and so on. But this thing about the
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machine, the mud, the armentry, the three ultra- rights and the
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three ultra- lefts plus the terrorists, the ex- terrorists, the ETA,
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those that are much worse, it' s much worse than that doesn
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' t exist on the ultra- left, it doesn' t exist,
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at least in its diclonary, in its say in its Insulex. There is
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not only the ultra- right and it is really a mistake in that sense,
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in typifying from that time that the Popular Party also what in the last
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Now, all I know a little, President Pedro Sanchez, is tra is
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an anodino discourse. Moreover, it is that Feijón is not far- right,
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it is center- right, and the Popular Party of Spain is a
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center- right party that makes alliances with him, with you, because it
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is the only party that can do it. Obviously, on the left,
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he doesn' t want to do anything with them or with the left.
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Usually, some specific exfections, such as the Barcelona City Council that has given
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Coibón the position, are very punctual things, but that usually not now if
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it is doing the same and worse with the ultra left and with the terrorists
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included in the sack. I mean, it means that, but what criticisms
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of what it is, is that this is so absurd and so far-
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fetched that I am ashamed to see, for example, now the European elections
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and that the media also speak so much at the level of Europe that if
36:00
the ultra- right is winning, then and indeed they have grown, but
36:04
in any case, there is a moderately stable bloc where the popular are,
36:09
there are socialists and, curiously, in Europe many proposals have worked together.
36:17
Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? The
36:21
problem is what we have here from the People' s Party and the Socialists,
36:24
who are not able to reach any agreement, because one does not want
36:28
and the other stays because you leave and because I stay, that is,
36:30
really in the end for each other and the house without sweeping not because you
36:36
notice. How paralyzed are the things being done. Well, the legislative power
36:40
is a total penalty, It is like in Catalonia, among the sainete of
36:45
the elections pre- good the sainete of the referendum, that that is impossible
36:52
mission. They have to be the third- thirds of the House and there
36:54
can be no trapping there as long as there is no constitutional change that they
37:00
are not possible today, even if there are some trappings that have been made
37:04
with Amnesty, but at that level it cannot be done and I am still
37:07
amazed that journalists are talking about this. A national referendum cannot be called.
37:14
It cannot be constitutionally impossible. It means talking about this to waste time,
37:21
when we have an endless list of needs. It is all semi paralyzed in
37:28
a region as important as Catalonia, in stands, in doctors and nurses,
37:35
with the deficit of medical care, in centers, of cats, of outpatients.
37:43
There are countless issues parked in the drought. Thank God it' s
37:45
raining these days, but having a forward- looking view of salicinizers and other
37:52
practical issues, there' s a lot, there' s an endless list
37:58
of things. And talking about the Los Angeles sex guys. And while the
38:04
Turks are invading constantino pla, while the fathers of the time of the Church
38:10
were speaking in themselves at the tip of a pin there were how many angels
38:14
there were. The Turks were invading Constantinople means that we are eaten by those
38:21
who eat bedbugs, but we have to work clearly and if you would say
38:24
that this does not cost anything really July, for we would say finally hear
38:30
what we are going to do to him no, but it is that we
38:34
have to see the money per day that costs to keep in these characteristics a
38:43
Parliament practically paralyzed and that care has already begun to transcend to other powers of
38:46
the State, as is, for example, the judiciary. The judiciary is
38:49
being overloaded to try to defend something that the Constitution grants to it, which
38:54
is its own independence. Look at what happened yesterday with the proposal made by
38:59
the President. Yes, it' s danger That' s very dangerous.
39:02
That would create a revolt not only of the entire opposing political class, but
39:09
of civil society. That would generate a real social revolution. That won'
39:15
t dare do it. It' s a bravado of yours, because that
39:21
' s a brutal constitutional insurrection. It is true that there is no agreement
39:25
there for the political interests of each other, but unilaterally to control the judiciary,
39:35
which is what Sanchez wants. Then the love bar. Then that would
39:43
be a social but brutal mess. It would paralyze a lot of things,
39:49
there would be a sit- down strike and democracy would be in danger.
39:53
He' d be in danger. Indeed, it is a serious problem.
39:59
It would be violated in a fragrant manner from the Constitution. They have said
40:01
the same legal thing, because this is not our field. If they don
40:04
' t talk to us, we don' t understand the seriousness of what
40:08
the President really is, from the executive branch, really posing for the purposes
40:15
of not seeing you, the College of Prosecutors has already come out of saying
40:20
that this is really appropriate. Of course, what he is proposing and the
40:22
statement was practically filmed yesterday. But I see that not only is one really
40:30
paralyzed, but the judiciary is actually having difficulties, too, look at the
40:36
Amnesty Act. Now everything is in consultation and that means a judiciary that is
40:40
already overburdened accurately to put it in a process of greater relatization. You understand
40:47
me there. So that' s a shame. A reform of the judiciary
40:51
should not be undertaken, because the roles of the judiciary are clearly set out
40:59
in what is to be blocked is the General Council of the Judiciary, that
41:01
this must be reactivated by the mediation that has been tried by Europe, by
41:07
the European Commissioner. There' s been no way, but there has to
41:13
be. There has to be. That' s true, because that has
41:15
to be reactivated. What the current government intends to do is to control the
41:21
General Council of the Judiciary to bring disgust to its sardine and trap it,
41:27
as well as the issue of the democratic quality package that Sanchez wants to do
41:34
to silence the media that are somehow different from those that disagree with the political
41:39
criteria of the Government. Then this man is desperate. Here' s a
41:49
mess, be men, it' s wrong. Apart from all the troubles,
41:52
now the brother, the wife, we' ll see how the cabbage
41:55
ends, the Tito Berni about the results, which are more than precarious this
42:02
political improvisation thing before. I think he' s very nervous. It'
42:10
s clear, uh, even though he tries not to look like it,
42:15
uh, he has to be anyway. Apart from that, practically a sword
42:19
of Damocles hangs in this situation, because notice if in Catalonia it does not
42:25
really come together that government that is formed, is going to have to call
42:31
new elections and definitely more waste time and it will leave very poorly positioned to
42:37
him, with which practically believe that it will have to simultaneously, also convoorte
42:42
to the elections he, with which it would end the government is that you
42:45
know remember what we are talking about today and that nobody hears us, I
42:53
will not say it, has no wide political spare parts of a leader like
43:00
him, so cynical and so much the verborrhea that he has and besides,
43:05
it is presentable, as well as pretty girls and all that, all that
43:10
he has. There is not one right now who has that profile of the
43:15
party leader, neither male nor female, neither of the sexes. The only
43:22
one, the only one possible, very possible, remember what I tell you
43:27
when Sanchez falls, because he' s going to fall before the end of
43:31
the year or by far in the first semester of next year, he'
43:36
s going to have to call elections and he' s going to lose them.
43:37
Evidently, and he' s going to be gone. I don'
43:39
t know where, but the only one who has a profile more or less,
43:47
sort of isn' t Salvador. She is the one who surely the
43:52
new candidate who would not win the elections, but who would be the candidate
43:57
to lead the Socialist Party works his Spanish I preconce it to you, because
44:01
he is a more temperate man. It is regardless of whether it is his
44:05
master' s voice, he is forced right now, but the milder one
44:08
is more serene, he has a well- furnished head within what socialism is.
44:15
It is among the oldest and most current. It moves in an intermediate
44:22
way. He' s a negotiator, he knows how to agree and he
44:29
doesn' t go that far on some issues, as you' re going
44:35
along with him, and obviously he' s seeing himself there today that he
44:38
' s been able to sing the guy, even though he' s been
44:45
practically sloppy by the pro- independences, because he' s won the elections.
44:45
He' s won. However, it is very likely that it will
44:49
not do any good. That' s not a bad thing about losing independence.
44:52
The failure of the independence movement is worse that it is much worse than
45:00
with convergence and unity and Puyol, who still had a primacy over Catalonia,
45:06
that is, they have gone to the oldest of the lun is that it
45:14
is a collapse of the discourse. If I were an independentist, an ideologist
45:16
of independence, it could obviously be what I am not moderate. I'
45:23
d say we' re going to have a medium- and long- term
45:27
strategy. Let' s work differently. We' ve had our balloon punctured.
45:30
We' re not going to get to Itaka, as Yuis jack says
45:36
to our Utopian island delusion. Let' s go, we have to make
45:42
a series of pacts and walk one way and unwind others. And, of
45:46
course, an attempt was new, because the powers of the state would be
45:52
much more aggressive as one. They' re not gonna do it. That
45:54
' s not what they' re gonna say. I know they won'
45:55
t, because that' s just talking for talking. But and it would
46:01
be much more severe. But we' re kind of paralyzed. If you
46:07
realize, I fight clearly this July and how they are there, there is
46:10
a chance that the independenceists will actually come to form government and Parmeno will not.
46:17
I' ve added up It doesn' t count. No. No.
46:20
No. No. The Socialist Party would be divided. In addition,
46:23
the Socialist Party and I know it because inside I have information now there is
46:30
a force and also in the other party. It seems to me that it
46:31
is that Republican in Catalonia who have said that with her nothing good is in
46:36
front of the gallery. Above all, it is going through low hours and
46:39
the Republicans have to regroup, It has to reassemble politically until then there is
46:46
also its congress in November. It' s just that Oriol Dungueras may be
46:52
re- elected again. Marta Rovira is there now, but Marta Rovira is
46:58
not a person, she does not have the capacity that Oriol Junkeras has.
47:01
I don' t see another leader in sight, you don' t see
47:07
it' s also an assembly party. But with it, I think it
47:08
' ll be Oriol Jungeras and good and they' ll come back. They
47:15
are able to agree because they are more, although they have every three minutes
47:20
to say we want the referendum, we want Amnesty. Well enigy, so
47:22
it' s been possible. You understand that in the short term you have
47:27
to agree, because you have to move forward, you have to move forward.
47:30
They' re no more pro than you should all really start looking for
47:34
mini agreements, even if it' s minimal, so that the topic starts
47:37
to work. And then demon disappears the scene when it will be clearly exonerated
47:45
at the end. Well, now with the subject of imputation, the embezzlement
47:49
of funds, that' s going to have it raw and they' re
47:52
going to put off their Amnesty a lot. But we' ll see if
47:59
it' s possible in the end. But in any case, once this
48:00
soap is finished, he disappears. It' s my political intuition. He
48:12
' s leaving now he' s trying to make all care within everyone,
48:15
he' s the one who' s spoken out the clearest. Hey,
48:19
he said what he thought, he said what he was going to do,
48:21
and he always says what he' s going to do. He doesn'
48:24
t cheat, he has the political itch to have, no, but in
48:29
terms of saying things, he' s the clearest of all. So you
48:35
first talked about the issue and in a clear way. And that, of
48:38
course, also marks in a matter of contention. Let' s say,
48:44
no, yeah, well, we have those parts. Notice that the case
48:47
of Koldo, the Begoña, Gomez and all that were like eclipsed when the
48:52
brawl appeared on the other hand a little more. But this Cainite culture in
48:58
Spanish politics has to end. I don' t know how the aggressiveness from
49:04
the ultra- i e, from the left to the right and from the
49:09
ultra- left, and from the ultra- right, towards each other,
49:15
is going to be taken care of. This Cainite violence does not mean that
49:20
they are cursed, they hate each other to death and, moreover, they
49:25
do not reach their hands by little, and it is that neither many of
49:30
them are spoken of, that is, that no, it has no political
49:34
elegance at that level. But I don' t know how to raise a
49:38
voice that says what you think, but that is a conciliatory voice of gentlemen.
49:44
Let us express our differences, but we must have limits in terms of
49:50
improperities and gratuitous disqualifications. Let us defend our positions with arguments to the point
49:58
of satiety, but let us not be in this Cainite struggle. There should
50:01
be no respect indeed. Of course, we must continue to work with the
50:07
issue of ethics and aesthetics We must have qualities and characteristics that are exemplary in
50:14
that sense, because we must not forget that we do not represent ourselves,
50:16
represent us to a soma, to a party, but are representing the citizenry,
50:21
who really considered them to be valid personalities to be able to represent them
50:27
and what a small representation they are making of those voters. No, then
50:30
that really is a shame that another problem that the current government has is the
50:38
issue of adding the resignation, because I think it has been consistent with the
50:45
formation, the new formation, adding that it was grouping and directing Yolanda Díaz,
50:50
I think they say well, why not resign as Vice- President.
50:53
Well maybe it would be your thing but well, at least at the training
50:59
level. In fact, I believe that it has been consistent and, of
51:02
course, that will generate gibberish on the left as well. And there'
51:07
s another problem there, too, sanchez, but well, strange dwarfs come
51:15
out everywhere. Some things are predictable, others, of course, are emerging
51:21
on the road, not as the case of adding that no longer adds up.
51:23
Of course, so everyone is seeing how they really fix this question that
51:28
if it is for the Party' s aspiration, which is not going to
51:30
arrive at the party, it continues to stay in that conglomerate of small parties
51:36
that will, of course, try to move forward along the way. And,
51:40
on the other hand, Yolanda Diaz is leaving, but she' s
51:43
not leaving. Not that is also true, because it leaves that which hurts
51:49
it, but it stays in that which adds it, it is forgiven to
51:52
struggle, they are going to have to go all within not much, because
51:57
this is inexhaustible the situation that there water is made everywhere. But, in
52:05
the meantime, the country needs to be governed and led and people working on
52:08
what needs to be done, on operational issues, on the needs of citizens,
52:16
which are many, because if we work July, of course because we
52:21
have to pay our taxes, we have to pay our living costs. And
52:27
obviously, the ones who don' t work are just them fighting, so
52:30
hopefully they' ll be the first to set the example. If you stop
52:34
fighting and work. I think that article I have is if I were in
52:38
the Congress of Deputies. Perhaps it does not vary in my case, but
52:45
I assure you that I would go up to the rostrum and put a quarrel
52:49
with those on the right and those on the left, to some and others,
52:52
to some more than others, because they are the ones responsible that are
52:58
increasingly generating an embroiderment. That in those workers in which we have to get
53:07
up early early in order to be able to do our homework, to have
53:13
to fulfill all the commitments the Julio entrepreneurs themselves have to work to face challenges
53:19
and that really, because it is not so little so pastry everything, because
53:22
you have seen it has been a little scared, a little there below the
53:27
issue of wars and conflicts, but there they are marking the prices of oil,
53:31
etcetera, etcetera, that complicates us. I' m thinking of all
53:35
the citizenship you have to do and do your duty. So what you really
53:37
expect from your politicians is that you solve the part that belongs to them.
53:44
But really, because it is not possible, they should have at least a
53:47
little compassion from all of us. No yes, then we have the international
53:53
stage. Still the conflict and in between, which is what is getting all
53:57
the attention, still the conflict between the Gaza Strip and the terrorists. Never
54:06
control him and never and that conflict really, unfortunately, the population of Assati
54:12
is in the middle of this matter and we are suffering the dos which,
54:17
on the other hand. Nor do I hear in all the images that I
54:22
see the statements that there are none that you have ever spoken of. They
54:29
all speak evil of Israel. Of course, hatred, hatred is inaccurate,
54:32
hatred and animosity towards Israel from the cradle inoculate this in the nurseries already to
54:39
hate Israel to death and they are clearly within that strip that is Israeli territory,
54:46
of course. And well this could have been maintained. Badly good,
54:54
because from time to time the rockets launch those which is ridiculous, but who
55:00
would have the enemy operational. But then the madness they committed by killing almost
55:07
1, 300 people and kidnapping 250 people. That was the triggers of this
55:15
madness and the civilian population is painful. It gives me the heart to see
55:21
the deaths of the innocent, that Israel is relentlessly attacking, that this war
55:27
has to end, yes, it does have to be fought. What'
55:30
s going to happen is that they' re going to militarize the entire Gaza
55:35
Strip, and obviously, they' ve already broken up a bunch of miles
55:42
of tunnels and real dustbins that the UN is clearly saying that, but in
55:46
UN headquarters were the terrorists sheltered with weapons. It' s never too often
55:54
that there' s some complicity in these who are there. And this isn
55:58
' t right. There' s practically a sixty percent say it' s
56:02
part of the support. There is never any other part that may be in
56:07
some neutral way because of the circumstance is indeed a victim of the issue,
56:12
but it is the apparatus of never i e they understand that this is a
56:16
heroic mission that they have to do for their people and they have that is
56:20
what they have eaten the coconut. Obviously, and as long as there are
56:23
these positions, unfortunately, Israel will continue to crush what it is doing.
56:29
And the other problem is when the peace agreements come, they don' t
56:32
really want the agreements look at you. Now the one who has put practically
56:36
the difficulties in the last agreement that the United States has put forward is never
56:40
or ever said that not to accept those conditions from which they have put,
56:45
when it is their population that is suffering. There' s not going to
56:49
be a good war. They' re gonna have to come to a bad
56:52
deal, which is better than a good war. July, because and that
56:54
on both sides no longer even speak in this sense of those who started this
57:00
whole story, who are those of never. If these poor people, regardless
57:06
of whether they tell us anything because they' re aligned, they' re
57:12
also very influenced, but they' re also afraid. They are very afraid
57:15
of reprisals, which might suppose saying something is fear also what more reprisal they
57:21
are going to be to the poor if they have been massacred, they have
57:24
killed almost thirty- five thousand thirty and I do not know how the number
57:29
of victims is going now. It' s for the people to get up
57:32
and tell them if they don' t leave them anymore or sit down to
57:36
negotiate or leave us alone. Really, because, if not, they are
57:38
the perfect shield where they camouflage clearly, of course you' re commenting,
57:43
of course it is. There has to be a cut- off point of
57:47
this story, because if it is not going to follow the fact, the
57:51
death of the innocent is what most constrains us and all the people of good
57:58
is evident, I am eager that the war will stop for that reason and
58:01
that, obviously, Israel will militarize the whole area and control it, because
58:06
with that it will do it and do what is so clear to the one
58:08
who moves, they will remove it from the middle, because the moment they
58:13
stop and stop that for some way, because it is difficult to see those
58:17
images where people have already come to us, it will be July, where
58:22
they really move them, they attack them do, because the others are moving.
58:27
The intelligence service must also be working the mosaic in this regard and the
58:31
military intelligence service so that they can actually locate the targets. And those targets
58:37
have almost always been where the Russian population is, because it' s their
58:40
shield. Well, they' ve already dismantled a very high percentage of military
58:47
targets of never the only thing, which is the invasion of the strip and
58:52
militarization. But that would stop the war and stop the deaths the end of
58:59
the war, at least that they say well, the question of two states,
59:02
of who will speak of two states now, with all this situation,
59:06
if it was never the one that generated all this terrible situation of deaths and
59:10
unthinkable attacks and Israel will not give in and more, what Israel is like.
59:19
Everything he does is not right, done as we say, but,
59:23
obviously there is one reality and there is something else. We have to.
59:30
It has to defend its population, it has to defend to some extent as
59:32
well. Its State is a State and with technology far superior to that of
59:37
the other States around it, as they have. Obviously, then they'
59:43
re going to use it. Of course, the others don' t want
59:45
to mess with them anymore because they don' t want to. But notice
59:47
you will see here on this Sunday 16th June, at six o' clock
59:52
in the afternoon, here in the Plaza shan Yauma, in front of the
59:58
Palau government, of generality, there will be a call from all the Jewish
1:00:01
communities and organizations of Catalonia. They are making a call, but they are
1:00:07
also calling the Christian people to good, mostly the evangelicals, mostly the Pentecostals,
1:00:15
who the others also have a very particular political argument to not get wet
1:00:23
with anything, nor only from the trench criticize. But the question is that
1:00:30
some thousands of people will be summoned for the first time, to protest against
1:00:37
the anti- Semitism that exists in our country, which is being promoted by
1:00:42
the Spanish Government. He has never congratulated the Spanish Government three times three times,
1:00:46
never three times. And then the conflicts he' s seeing with the
1:00:53
embassies of Israel and Spain. Then they will also claim the release of the
1:00:58
hostages who are still being kidnapped and they will also express their solidarity with Israel,
1:01:05
with historic Israel, with Israel that has the right to survive and live
1:01:09
in peace, regardless of whether it is distressing on a humanitarian issue, the
1:01:15
deaths of innocent people. I' ve talked to the organizers and I say
1:01:20
this to me, it breaks my heart. But they' re going out.
1:01:23
And they are going out, because with all right, everyone is going
1:01:27
against it and they are going to come out to claim that it will be
1:01:30
Sunday afternoon the Plaza San Jauma, where many, many will see a few
1:01:35
thousand that they will say and it seems good to me, it cannot be
1:01:38
otherwise we really, because we are out of love and sympathy that to some
1:01:47
extent we have that people and because our God asks us and that we really
1:01:52
cry for the place and that the peace of Jerusalem. Peace in Israel is
1:02:00
a peace that affects the Julio world, because it is a peace that is
1:02:02
not ours, it is not human, It is a peace of God that
1:02:07
really comes and we are convinced that it will bring peace also in the midst
1:02:09
of that conflict. We believe that prayer in that sense has power. It
1:02:14
is a tool that God has given us, but that really comes from him
1:02:17
and that is very powerful, without a doubt, and that must be supported
1:02:22
from our hides, because really anti- Semitism is a pernicious ideology that is
1:02:31
growing in these times, because we have practically forgotten what happened in the time
1:02:38
of the Nazis, that really ruthless action. They were losing the war.
1:02:46
They needed to transport resources so that the troops could function on the German front.
1:02:53
And one of the things that wasn' t explained was why those provisions
1:02:57
didn' t come in and it was because the two of them were moving
1:03:02
Jews to the concentration camps to exterminate him. So it was that thought that
1:03:07
we really know it today by history, obviously, and so you have to
1:03:10
be very careful with this one and you have to support everything that comes in
1:03:15
that sense so that you know that we are also what we don' t
1:03:19
think like them. But and the denialists of history and, moreover, the
1:03:22
quantity, the expulsion of all the Jewish Sephardic of Spain, in a way,
1:03:28
the spoliation that was made to them, they were stripped of their goods,
1:03:31
of the marvels, not only of Spain, but of the Peninsula,
1:03:36
and we say that the Iberian Peninsula is also Portugal, that we do forget
1:03:40
our brothers. There was no Portugal. It did not yet exist, it
1:03:46
was the Kingdom of Spain. Then it was a little later. But the
1:03:52
question is that ancestral anti- Semitism. And there' s a question.
1:04:00
We do not agree with all Israel' s political actions, because they also
1:04:05
make mistakes. But cursing Israel has consequences. It has consequences. It is
1:04:16
a people chosen by God and it is, regardless of whether God wants them
1:04:23
to come to repentance like anyone else. But to faith in Christ Jesus the
1:04:26
true messiah. But there is a final awakening according to Bible prophecies for Israel.
1:04:34
But and there are currently about fifteen zero Messianic Jews who are truly non
1:04:40
- gentle Jews who become Jews like these, who go with all this paraphernalias,
1:04:45
that is, messianism, which is a scroll of whereabouts of those of
1:04:48
fright, that the Messianic Jews themselves complain because they say, discredit us with
1:04:55
these quagmires that these make. But the truth is that Israel has divine promises,
1:05:03
because it is a people chosen by God. Yes, it was the
1:05:06
vehicle. Then he came out, he was dead and through that we came
1:05:11
to be blessed. But now we have to arouse Israel to jealousy, as
1:05:15
the apostle Paul No. But in the meantime, there is a premise and
1:05:20
a number of scriptures telling us to bless Israel as God' s beloved people
1:05:26
and the one who curses. Israel has consequences, a country that curses the
1:05:30
real one has. Well, we' re already seeing him and we'
1:05:33
re gonna see him. Unfortunately, this is the point of view as far
1:05:39
as we are concerned, I was seeing in digital Protestant. Well, the
1:05:45
other day we interviewed Mario Escobar and he published La Librera de Madrid. It
1:05:53
is one of his books, which is what is precisely an evangelical bookshop.
1:05:58
It was there in the future, in the flietners and all these people,
1:06:04
and good has turned this into a novel. But it says something very interesting.
1:06:09
Cobalt Marios. We should read to learn and not repeat mistakes of the
1:06:14
past. You think people read the Bible. It is still read among us,
1:06:20
or it is only man Sundays. I think there is a percentage that
1:06:28
reads the Bible, but there is also another percentage that does not actually read
1:06:33
more than what corresponds to the day in a hurry and running and the Bible
1:06:39
is a book that needs to be read with entertainment, you have to meditate,
1:06:45
you have to have a systematic reading of it really. And because,
1:06:49
apart from that, it' s interesting because I usually say that the Bible
1:06:58
is addictive, as the Lord retraction is addictive, because it really gets you
1:07:02
hooked when you realize, you' ve spent more time than you actually had
1:07:10
to some extent destined for it. And surely we don' t read as
1:07:14
much as we would like or as necessary, read each and every one of
1:07:18
us. But there is, of course, a percentage of brothers who do
1:07:24
not have time. There' s Julio. I don' t know in
1:07:28
the other churches, but in ours there' s a reality of people who
1:07:32
work twelve thirteen hours in, say, their jobs, low- paid jobs
1:07:39
and that' s the bulk of what I have. Then I can'
1:07:41
t ask the poor any more. Yeah, all I' m doing is
1:07:44
good, at least take the pill so we can say we can make up
1:07:49
for it. That is not true, but I am also thinking about the
1:07:54
Spanish population. Not that good. The population is different. I don'
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t think you really read very little here, although it' s curious because
1:08:02
I always love watching when television focuses. That' s the book party.
1:08:11
Here at the retreat and see the number of books commented I say hey it
1:08:16
seems surprising. It really must be that people still read. He told him,
1:08:20
because grandeur of materials and people passing by thousands, thousands to autographs,
1:08:27
to such. But I don' t think that to some extent the Book
1:08:32
of the Bible is really the most popular in the population, except in the
1:08:39
collectives, like us or the Catholic collective, because there are Catholics who read
1:08:44
the Bible to that extent too few, but there are of course, so
1:08:47
I think that our population really does not know this wonderful book, an exceptional
1:08:55
book, a book that, as our good friend Joaquin Llebra says, was
1:09:01
special peacefully prepared to be translated. He said no, all the books are
1:09:04
ready to be translated. The translationability of the Bible is precisely a characteristic that
1:09:14
shows us that God intended that that message could really be spread to every language
1:09:19
in the world and that, evidently, already shows a wonderful characteristic. But,
1:09:26
apart from that, knowledge, the wisdom that history has. I am
1:09:33
now reading a little bit of Paul' s travels and that narrative, the
1:09:42
documentation that Luke establishes is really unique. You know geography is exciting, of
1:09:47
course, yes, but obviously, you' re missing all that. Let
1:09:53
' s read the Bible. You' re Carlos us. It does not
1:09:57
happen to me if a pastor does not read the Bible, does not study
1:10:00
the Bible, does not meditate on the Bible and does not internalize it.
1:10:01
And because it' s a vital part, it' s the teacher,
1:10:06
it' s the master' s book of life. In my opinion,
1:10:10
the Bible. But when you walk through the Bible, the Bible and I
1:10:15
think you' ll agree with me. For example, the Bible has transformed
1:10:18
my life, it has transformed my way of understanding life, my worldview of
1:10:25
life, it has brought values that did not exist in me. The Bible
1:10:30
has also been. I listened to Pastor Juancano this morning who said the Law
1:10:36
of Jehovah is perfect, who converts the soul, Psalm nineteen and is good
1:10:44
truth, is the Psalm, The Law of Jehovah is perfect, the word
1:10:47
of God is perfect, which converts the soul, it is true converts.
1:10:51
It transforms and a metamorphosis in our whole, integrally ours, our being completely
1:11:00
and obviously produces very benign substantial changes and, moreover, it gives us an
1:11:08
approach in life, a new attitude to life. Moreover, the Bible provides
1:11:13
elements of success, of well- understood success, and success in meeting the
1:11:18
challenges of life. I don' t know if you' ll agree with
1:11:21
me. Yes, yes, totally agree and, of course, I believe
1:11:25
that to some extent, of course we live that and experience it every day,
1:11:30
We leave home with things already resolved. We go out to solve the
1:11:35
things and challenges we have to face in life, and many of them escape
1:11:39
our capabilities. But, without a doubt, writing, the Bible was a
1:11:45
fundamental element for us to rest. First, we can confidently trust God and
1:11:51
he will help us in what we are like to that. He sometimes knows
1:11:57
and sometimes we also know him and execute him. But, without a doubt,
1:12:01
it' s a book that helps you face life. I don'
1:12:05
t understand. People who do not have this knowledge, who are unprotected,
1:12:13
who say they lack the tools to be able to transform their realities, are
1:12:21
dispossessed of that. But the Bible in that regard brings us much sincerely.
1:12:29
We, on the same radio would not really have more content, because we
1:12:35
could report, bring a number of things today. But if we do not
1:12:40
have that word of life, which is in the written word of those promises
1:12:44
of God, we would have nothing good to communicate. There would be no
1:12:47
hope to communicate to people, and hope is not our July. The stone
1:12:51
in that sense is what God brings us in that we can trust what he
1:12:57
has told us, and he has the prevalence in those difficulties that are really
1:13:00
impossible to supply. I, particularly I' m living a stage in my
1:13:10
life where I' m really going to be a grandfather for the first time
1:13:15
and my daughter is in the first few months and well, I don'
1:13:18
t know why I' m talking. My grandson cannot be a child too,
1:13:20
but with my wife, for example, we have decided this challenge to
1:13:27
place him in the hands of Mr We weep day by day so that the
1:13:30
Lord, of his grace and his favor, sheds upon the life of my
1:13:34
daughter, upon the life of my grandson or my granddaughter who is being formed
1:13:41
and because one really knows the difficulties faced in that mystery of life by a
1:13:45
mother in the process of the child' s formation. How many questions can
1:13:50
be answered more with misinformation than with information as much as you read, because
1:13:56
life is a mystery July. But how nice to be able to rest in
1:14:00
the lord and to be able to tell the mother everything, to the mother
1:14:02
of the boy, to the girl in the womb, quiet, daughter,
1:14:05
everything will be fine. The Lord is in control and he has really designed
1:14:10
all these processes and you can trust him that these processes are effective in relation
1:14:16
to life. This is the case, of course, because it is the
1:14:21
hope we have left, not because there can really be things that have failed
1:14:28
in that process as well. We know very well. As pastors, we
1:14:30
have had to attend to situations where things really didn' t go well,
1:14:34
but others where things really went wrong and doctors said it was wrong and we
1:14:39
prayed and that boy, that girl was born perfect, perfect. Yeah,
1:14:45
it' s really unspeakable. So, all those things we' ve seen
1:14:48
Julio and that' s why I' m telling you in front of that
1:14:50
new challenge, for example, in my life I' m facing. How
1:14:54
much help is, in that sense the word of the Lord and trusting that
1:14:59
he is in command of that ship landing and that they will not shipwreck Julius.
1:15:04
That' s how it is, my friend. It is true that
1:15:08
pastors, like struggle and a servant and many more than ten zero pastors and
1:15:13
pastors in Spain, are notaries of supernatural divine interventions as well and not only
1:15:19
of social mediation, intervention, the resolution of human conflicts, as well as
1:15:24
spiritual ones that also have to do with human expressions and pastors and Banclicos are
1:15:30
agents of reconciliation and of people of good, but we also see divine interventions
1:15:36
on many supernatural occasions that leave us amazed and this also drives our faith struggle
1:15:45
hard bread. We spent an hour just talking awesome and listen my legs were
1:15:55
shaking this morning thinking I was gonna be an hour with you I say Julio.
1:16:00
And we' re going to be talking, because the main question that
1:16:02
came to me was what I' m going to talk to Julio about,
1:16:06
what' s interesting to say no, man, and I, of course,
1:16:10
has given a lot. Yes, hey, I' m sincerely grateful
1:16:13
yes, man, for your invitation and challenge no. Yeah, yeah,
1:16:16
no, no, of course not totally. Dear friend, I am sending
1:16:23
you a very affectionate embrace, God. Through next week we will also be
1:16:27
in Madrid. There I am sure that there is something special with the association
1:16:34
Luis Palao, that are and good and we have to do some things and
1:16:41
I do not know if we will see each other crossing paths over there and
1:16:45
at least give us a hug. Of course it is, if it'
1:16:47
s not possible, you know we' ve got it on, so we
1:16:51
owe each other a few hugs. Dear Julio, of course thank you for
1:16:55
having invited me, especially delighted for the whole audience and for the nice privilege
1:17:00
of being able to arrive and really, for it is a blessing for your
1:17:05
lives. So, thank you, dear Julio, for the opportunity forever,
1:17:08
friend, goodbye fight. Embrace God, Blessed Chao Chao, the train of
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life, Vengutino life, I have guaviva me manescesita maste to testi ohriso mamaclamamasti
1:18:26
o sto temati con tomi oy o come I have of my soul ves hundred
1:19:27
more are satisfied mima, mama, csto with two or two o s o
1:20:48
lia mia vicecita más o de mes mushrooms abatassaransado, my waves to tired,
1:21:43
my o o o or yes. For safety use the belt. We'
1:22:08
ve replaced this announcement of nine hundred and seventy- three because not wearing the
1:22:12
seatbelt looks like a thing of the past. Let' s look at the
1:22:14
effects of a collision at 50 kilometers per hour cintions, but it' s
1:22:21
not. Today. One in four dead on the road was not wearing a
1:22:26
seatbelt. Put on a belt General Traffic Directorate, Ministry of the Interior,
1:22:31
Government of Spain and the project to study in the United States and teach them
1:22:35
how to play football are really Emilio and Raúl and one of them has schizophrenia,
1:22:40
but their dreams, like those of any one, have no limits.
1:22:43
Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the best response
1:22:46
for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems, Ministry of Health,
1:22:50
Social Services and Equality Government of Spain travels on the train of life. Ladies
1:23:13
and gentlemen, we are already in direct line with Daniel Bañuls. Daniel Bañuls,
1:23:18
in addition to being a pastor, has been a pastor for many years
1:23:25
in missionary practice in different countries, including Equatorial Guinea. Also with his wife
1:23:30
and also pastor and is currently the Secretary General of the Web and is a
1:23:38
mobilizer of humanitarian emergencies, we already know him for years to and with a
1:23:45
mobilization at high level, truly reflecting with container trucks going pa here, if
1:23:55
it was Ukraine, if it was Turkey, if it is now, then
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also in Ivory Coast, wherever there is a real need. There' s
1:24:06
Daniel Bayules, as a humanitarian emergency mobilizer, and we have him here now
1:24:12
in direct line with us. Daniel, welcome, man, how are we,
1:24:18
at what point we were at now? Good morning, good morning,
1:24:23
Julio, well, you find yourself in good health and we are alive,
1:24:29
so we have to be grateful no yes, gentlemen, I think that to
1:24:33
start the day or week we have to start with gratitude. Yeah, that
1:24:38
' s right, that' s right, Daniel. How many years I
1:24:44
remember you in many ways, in many actions, both missionary on the ground,
1:24:53
also managing questions of the web, but also as a mobilizer of humanitarian
1:25:01
emergencies, but many before, already from the dawn of solidarity and here,
1:25:06
of that yearla and so many things. How many years ago, more or
1:25:13
less since we were working with the boom, more than thirty years ago,
1:25:17
we started it in the year ninety- four, with which now they will
1:25:21
soon turn forty, about this year and since we are involved in what we
1:25:29
would call international emergencies or humanitarian emergencies. Next year will be ten. Next
1:25:34
year we will be ten years old in September, because it started with the
1:25:40
tragedy that we will all remember since the Syrian War, when many Syrians began
1:25:45
to escape along the coast and reaching Turkey, arrived in Greece and Greece,
1:25:50
wanted to reach Germany. So those are images we all had on television and
1:25:55
that was September of the year two thousand fifteen. So that' s where
1:26:00
we started sending the first shipment and we haven' t stopped since. Yes,
1:26:03
next year, September of next year, it will be a decade.
1:26:09
Yes, yes, I remind you that even to these countries, I would
1:26:14
go to Ukraine and so many others that yourself on some of the trips where
1:26:18
they were sent or containers or trucks, trailers also good, one way or
1:26:24
another, by sea or land, on land, you yourself traveled to many
1:26:30
of these places. You' ve been presidentially doing and a few trips.
1:26:34
That' s how you experience this kind of unsettling adventure. Well, visiting
1:26:42
places is part of our usual strategy everywhere, all the destinations where we have
1:26:45
sent humanitarian aid. Obviously, we are sending it on behalf of many people,
1:26:53
many donors, and it is part of the strategy. To be there,
1:26:57
to see it, to be there, to see the shipment arrived well,
1:27:02
is very important to us, seeing what is happening today in our society.
1:27:05
It is very important to send a message of transparency and honesty and,
1:27:11
in fact, we do so from the faith also from the evangelical faith.
1:27:14
We therefore want it to be a credible testimony as well. So in all
1:27:17
destinations, we' ve all been physically present to see the circumstances we already
1:27:25
knew from hearsay, but we wanted to see them and see that the distribution
1:27:29
and distribution had been done correctly in some places. The visit at almost all
1:27:33
has been an ever painful, traumatic visit. It is never a pleasant trip
1:27:40
to, for example, now recently to Turkey and to see a whole city
1:27:45
like Antioch, totally destroyed. That' s not nice to see, but
1:27:48
it' s necessary. Nor is it nice to go to the war in
1:27:56
Ukraine and go by with the missiles. On top of that it' s
1:28:00
not nice, obviously, and the component of the adventure has it, but
1:28:04
in some places it' s not just adventure. He has a certain risk
1:28:06
too, but great gradiums, for in all places we have been blessed and
1:28:12
protected by God in all. Otherwise we' d be here and we'
1:28:15
d keep doing it. And the plan is to always continue to do all
1:28:18
the projects that we ship, in all the emergencies in which we can attend
1:28:24
and collaborate. To give faith, to give a constancy, like notaries,
1:28:28
to attest that what has been done is true and of what you helped me,
1:28:30
what you gave me looks there, it is there, it got there,
1:28:35
it was distributed and nothing was lost, and that is very important.
1:28:39
We believe that that transparency, we must maintain it and good in the journeys
1:28:44
that in the tragedies that will arrive, I hope not many, but those
1:28:47
that arrive lately head more. It' s an interesting detail to read in
1:28:50
code, in theological key, there' s more and more and I think
1:28:56
they say a lot of the times we' re living in, in all
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the times we do, they' re all the ones we participate in,
1:29:01
we' ll be present. Well, I believe that in the name of
1:29:04
many and not just the evangelical community and the human community, because people like
1:29:11
you Daniel and thank you, thank you for being sensitive to these great human
1:29:16
needs and tragedies that ravage human lives and leave people in total destitution, in
1:29:25
destruction, in misery and in despair. And when they get this little help,
1:29:36
which is small, but which is a sum with those who also do
1:29:41
it, it is a breath of hope and, in addition to practical help,
1:29:50
theoretical demonstrative help. So, thanks to me, I think on behalf
1:29:53
of many for this work of so many years, I really appreciate it and
1:29:58
I think I speak it on behalf of many, Daniel, the work is
1:30:04
a very, very cooperative job. It is a joy to tell it this
1:30:09
way, because it is the work of many, of many volunteers, of
1:30:14
hundreds of donors, that the figure I cannot tell and that behind it there
1:30:19
are always many names, many faces that, in many cases, impact us
1:30:27
especially by their generosity, by their involvement, by the desire to serve,
1:30:30
by people who have never been in the place where they will arrive. The
1:30:32
container has not been and does not pretend to be, but it does want
1:30:38
to help then that disinterested help, unknown but at the same time very much
1:30:43
involved. To us. In each container, in each shipment, we always
1:30:46
have very shocking flavors of having met people with whom we are going to sleep
1:30:51
in memory. They are people left in our memories and they are people who
1:30:56
sometimes usually do what they do is repeat and usually, when they have made
1:31:00
an experience, they have been happy and pay a little to this crazy club
1:31:04
in which we are involved. So, thank God, I said, thank
1:31:08
God, first for him, for God because he opens the doors to us,
1:31:12
they don' t know the possibilities and back percent and hundreds of volunteer
1:31:15
churches, not ngs, schools, municipalities, entities that decide to join.
1:31:21
That something that in every container we make new friends, obviously, and friends
1:31:27
I would say like the song that no friends forever not that unites us the
1:31:31
desire to help others. And it' s a very great blessing. I
1:31:34
am the first beneficiary, without any doubt, and my team of volunteers too,
1:31:39
of course, listen now we have the issue, the challenge of urgent
1:31:43
humanitarian aid to Côte d' Ivoire. Talk to us, how we can
1:31:49
describe the situation and how we can collaborate with each other, because Côte d
1:31:56
' Ivoire is a project in which theoretically we were already involved a long time
1:32:00
ago, about ten eight or ten years ago, that we are sending very
1:32:05
small activities and projects, projects that we call micro projects and that we are
1:32:10
very happy because they are working very well. They' re unambitious, but
1:32:12
they' re working very well. We have built a well of water,
1:32:15
we have helped a vocational school of war children, of children who were formerly
1:32:19
child soldiers. We have made scholarships for nurses, we have made many small
1:32:28
things that are working and Costa de Marcísima has been an easy country, a
1:32:31
country in which everything we have done somehow worked and worked well. Notable ease
1:32:39
is very good. The last project, which is the one we embarked on
1:32:44
about a quarter ago, two months ago, has been to know that we
1:32:47
have there in a project that we have already collaborated in an orphanage that is
1:32:51
called the poponier is an orphanage managed by the evangelical churches of Ivory Coast,
1:32:57
which told us that they have many children, more and more orphaned children,
1:33:01
who have lost their mother, father or both, and who told us that
1:33:04
recently they were receiving many children, that we would call them children of cariz,
1:33:12
of newborn children, like all the children, but in small format,
1:33:15
in premature format, are not the children who would normally be saved by going
1:33:20
to the hospital seven mesinos we called them before and that they had been born
1:33:28
because perhaps with a kilo, with two little ones, but that with a
1:33:33
medical care they were normally saved. And they were telling us that there they
1:33:35
were receiving many premature children of this, but that some of them were dying
1:33:42
for lack of medical management, for lack of something as simple as an incubator.
1:33:47
So we react. We said well, we will try to get at
1:33:51
least one incubator so that it can be useful and we realized that the project
1:33:57
was very daring by incubators. They' re hard to get. Hospitals here,
1:34:02
in Barcelona, in Catalonia, in Spain maintain a minimum ratio of incubators,
1:34:09
because there are very few cases of premature children in our country. It
1:34:13
is logical in childbirths are very controlled, pregnant women are very controlled and there
1:34:16
are very few women who had premature children and the few who are born this
1:34:21
way hospitals keep their incubator or two or three that they have for such cases.
1:34:28
So we realized with sadness that it would be difficult to keep our word.
1:34:32
So we decided that, in addition to sending an incubator, if it
1:34:36
arrived and we could take advantage to send a container, so we asked them
1:34:41
what needs they had and clear the list was very large. They didn'
1:34:43
t just need an incubator, they gave food, they gave babies clothes,
1:34:49
they gave medical supplies, all kinds of things that the list, you'
1:34:53
re pretty much seeing there now on the screen. The list got long.
1:34:57
So, we published the list, published the needs and always prioritized that we
1:35:01
were looking for incubators. But at the same time, if we didn'
1:35:06
t get equatories, we were going to take them a container of everything they
1:35:11
asked for along the way. We have come to realize these months of April
1:35:13
May that the issue of the incubator was too difficult and we started with our
1:35:17
own volunteers, to make a bold decision, the innovative decision, which is,
1:35:23
if we don' t get to have really play- offs, let
1:35:27
' s say from hospital, we' re going to build ours. So
1:35:30
we decided to build a well- designed project, a smart home incubator project
1:35:38
that we already have in place, that already exist and that we have already
1:35:42
created, a prototype that works, works perfectly. And what we are going
1:35:45
to do is send that prototype with the materials to build many more, letting
1:35:51
them build them right there, that is, that they have a knowledge transfer,
1:35:56
with transfer of materials, but at the same time that they do it
1:36:00
alone so that in the future, when there is need for more and more
1:36:03
incubators in other places, they will be able to build them. So,
1:36:09
while we were creating the prototype, it began to arrive, as usual,
1:36:14
donations of all kinds, from friends, from families, from churches, from
1:36:17
NGOs, from all kinds of people and cargo, the warehouse has been filling
1:36:23
up and we have a container that is straight to fill up. And the
1:36:29
good news, the good news we already thought we could not give, is
1:36:32
that we have finally received three real incubators from hospital that have arrived from a
1:36:40
hospital in Girona and from the SEU hospital in the north of the Pyrenees.
1:36:44
So we' ll have three incubators, actually plus about, three or four
1:36:49
machines for similar to an incubator to have what they call a thermal crib,
1:36:56
a thermal deparing machine that provides heat to the baby. So we were surprised
1:37:00
that we thought we wouldn' t have it. Perhaps we lacked fet and
1:37:04
now we have all the qualifiers we wanted, the qualifiers we created ourselves just
1:37:09
in case and many material donations are coming on the list we have published to
1:37:15
you. So, thank God, the container, if it is not full,
1:37:19
we are in three rooms, it will soon and well, thank God,
1:37:24
all the needs that our brothers and the shepherds there of Ivory Coast asked
1:37:29
us, because they are being answered and they are being fulfilled. I already
1:37:34
say the container, very probably we will be filling it up and, if
1:37:39
God wants to send it right after the Archist of San Juan, so at
1:37:42
the end of this month, about the twenty- eighth day, it would
1:37:46
be our wish to be able to bill it, fill it and send it
1:37:53
all to the port and from the port to Ivory Coast. So this is
1:37:55
the dream and plan that we' re getting involved in these last few weeks.
1:38:00
How beautiful, how important and how timely this action in favour of Côte
1:38:06
d' Ivoire and that great need that exists that you are trying to attend
1:38:12
to. But freight is worth a high cost of shipping the containers and we
1:38:17
can collaborate. I see there' s an account here. We have a
1:38:23
KAIXA account. The Ivan is that twenty- eight two thousand hundred which is
1:38:30
the number of the KAIXA. Zero eight hundred twenty- eight, sixty-
1:38:34
one, two, zero, seventy- four and fifteen thirteen. Let'
1:38:40
s put all this in detail in the post we' ve passed on to
1:38:44
you before. There' s the account number also included in this one I
1:38:50
got from you, Daniel. I think so. Yes, exactly. Let
1:38:57
' s have it there on our wave walls for Radio, my personal wall,
1:39:02
also so that all the listening friends who are tuning us in anywhere in
1:39:09
Spain in solidarity we collaborate with this urgent relief action, with this emergency and
1:39:17
also with everything that is being prepared, because there is one behind another here.
1:39:21
This is unstoppable. I look into this month and the previous month.
1:39:27
In the previous one I have received several initiatives actions from Daniel who, of
1:39:32
course, I call him the unstoppable. And of course it is that when
1:39:39
someone is in the pit and is seeing what there is to see and mobilizing
1:39:44
to him, but it mobilizes us that with economic contributions, apart with material
1:39:47
help, if we have the goods that he suggests to us or is asking
1:39:54
us. Well, there' s a lot of solidarity there. I am
1:39:58
amazed to see how people who are in solidarity in this country. This is
1:40:02
a gift we have as a true country, Daniel. There is no doubt
1:40:06
about this, there is no doubt about it. I believe that, of
1:40:10
course, we have many shortcomings and still have difficulty confronting them. But one
1:40:15
virtue that I believe has, our society is generosity, solidarity, when we
1:40:19
know of something that is happening to someone, as we know that we are
1:40:25
better, we know that we are inevitably, even if we go through difficulties,
1:40:30
we continue to see the first world, we continue to live in Europe,
1:40:33
we know that other places have worse. And when someone tells us and
1:40:35
is credible, because the truth is, yes, people react. And you
1:40:40
' d be surprised to see the sometimes unusual answers we sometimes get. There
1:40:45
are people who give a lot more than you would pretend to believe, you
1:40:51
think maybe. A widowed lady gives you an example of what I have in
1:40:55
mind, a widow who spends justly with the pension you can imagine, that
1:40:59
is, the very scarce pension, but when I tell her everything I tell
1:41:02
her and she always tells me, please, don' t hide anything from
1:41:05
me. When I tell her, she reacts to this woman in a way
1:41:11
that I think is better, like the widow of the Bible, it is
1:41:15
like the case of the widow of life, that is, giving her little,
1:41:16
that gives much more than she should. And the truth is that these
1:41:20
cases are the ones that stimulate me, they are the ones that fill me
1:41:24
with joy, of seeing that people want to help, that people want to
1:41:28
participate in projects of that kind and what they need is to tell them,
1:41:30
they need to know, they need to know and, really, it is
1:41:33
credible. Evidently, not frustrating, not disappointing. And usually people, as
1:41:39
I used to tell you before, because some are already subscribers. Then they
1:41:43
are already perpetual collaborators, then they are aimed at a bombing then every action
1:41:49
we have, obviously, all are necessary. We don' t do any
1:41:54
for frivolity. All we do are necessary. And it is, of course,
1:41:58
also for an orphanage with children who have a hard time and who die
1:42:01
because of something as simple as the incubator, because we thought we had to
1:42:05
solve it. Then we ship the container. Now, in June and after
1:42:09
the summer, we will go there in September to visit him, to see
1:42:14
how everything has gone and to see that sure everything has gone well, to
1:42:19
see the delivery that has been made and as the container is probably bigger than
1:42:23
what they need, we will make a double delivery. We' re going
1:42:27
to do first for the evangelical orphanage that we' re sending help and everything
1:42:31
we' re going to spare that I' m sure it' s going
1:42:33
to be left over? We are going to donate to the hospitals of the
1:42:35
region, hospitals that are not linked to us, but that are necessary hospitals,
1:42:41
that do a great job and we are going to give them everything that
1:42:45
comes to us, that an orphanage cannot absorb, so everything that comes to
1:42:48
us is going to go to the hospitals of the area of the region or
1:42:51
of the province of Man. This is called the Mn Man province, which
1:42:56
is where the orphanage is. In principle. We have some photographs that I
1:43:02
will also upload to the pages that are very descriptive about the pallets of the
1:43:10
whole provision, also of both milks and a series of topics also of first
1:43:16
necessity. And also here are the apparatuses, which are the ones that you
1:43:25
have spoken to us the incubators, how interesting to see them And it goes
1:43:31
so that our listeners, those who want to access the page of wave for
1:43:36
radio and there my wall, will see the photographs the orphanage of Ivory Coast,
1:43:43
where they are sent in the containers the Poiner pom with its director,
1:43:49
Juliet and Art. The French word hard to translate because little even in French
1:43:55
is doll. So I don' t know in Spain we couldn' t
1:44:00
translate it. It' s like the doll shop, the doll shop,
1:44:04
or the dollhouse. It' s good, the little doll house. They
1:44:08
' re kids, babies, all from zero to two years old, and
1:44:12
that' s the name the orphanage is questioning. The poponie. It'
1:44:14
s kind of like the doll house house. That' s right, and
1:44:19
here we have them. Yeah, let' s see the photographs of the
1:44:23
orphanage itself as well. We' re going to upload them so that our
1:44:26
listeners who want to access see it. But, ladies and gentlemen, let
1:44:29
' s all collaborate there, the Facebook Light skirt is also showing up the
1:44:34
data from the Kaisha account so that they can agree to make their contributions,
1:44:42
already to make the freight. That freight is very expensive, very expensive,
1:44:45
but good are part of the plan. And there we have to send and
1:44:50
in all the peripheral expenses, which are many, and in other previous projects
1:44:56
and others that are in the making. Therefore, everything you always know is
1:44:59
well invested by Daniel. The truth is that this is your home when you
1:45:09
want your speaker, which is also ours in solidarity to collaborate and help those
1:45:16
who need it most. Thank you very much for your support and from here
1:45:24
also my greeting to your audience. I' m sure there are people among
1:45:27
what they hear that they can react and they can get involved and I'
1:45:30
m sure there are people in solidarity. There' s no doubt about it.
1:45:31
You' ll have a lot of supportive listeners. So, then,
1:45:35
as Julio says, everyone here has the account to support, to add up.
1:45:40
If someone wants to bring materials, we can still receive food that we
1:45:45
are also prioritizing the delivery of basic food, basic food that is not going
1:45:49
to expire and that well, if someone still wants to join and attract food,
1:45:54
because also, of course, they still fit, we can still put
1:46:00
more stuff into that wonderful content dear Daniel Te I send a big hug friend.
1:46:02
Thank you very much, I embrace everyone. Until always there is a
1:46:20
man who, when speaking kingdoms, tremble is his principal name, is the
1:46:35
powerful name, the name astonishments, Jesus. And only by uttering I'
1:46:51
m sorry for his presence and my heart doesn' t prostrate a thousand songs.
1:47:02
I will sing with my voice, I will raise up Jesus mag so
1:47:45
if so so and glory itself, that when you observe His greatness, I
1:48:14
tremble and worship Him. It belongs to them. My desire is only at
1:48:28
your feet to worship me. Jesus and his hand is to sustain the universe
1:48:45
and his immense command was to contain what is difficult to explain all that urgency
1:48:57
of that age. Jeson ms po or yes it is case so and Gloria,
1:49:46
so lord or so and so yes, I, Jess so and Gloria
1:50:41
am my severe is or those on the train of life, life hello,
1:51:13
friends, I am Julio Perez. You know I' m the director of
1:51:21
the radio show, the weekly Magaxing, the train of life. And it
1:51:28
does nothing less than thirty- two years that we travel through many human landscapes
1:51:32
and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life and heavenly life. I
1:51:41
also have the joy of telling you that I have published my book, a
1:51:45
book that has to do with the train of life. There are fifty selected
1:51:53
articles written by me. There are six seasons and in each season there is
1:51:59
a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny These are the
1:52:06
things I tell in this book. They are perfections, analysis, experiences,
1:52:16
comments that other curiosity also in those fifty reflections, in those six stations,
1:52:21
until we reach the term station that there is also a section, a very
1:52:26
important block. This book can already be found on Amazon on the editorial platform
1:52:32
of Amazón. Traveling on the train of life is called the book. It
1:52:36
' s the title of the book Traveling on the Train of Life. Julio
1:52:43
Pérez, a server is the author. Then there you can well know that
1:52:48
the train tells us about journeys through life. Life is a kind of living
1:52:54
parable, like a running train, that there are so many sensations and so
1:53:00
many experiences within the train. And what we are looking at inside and what
1:53:04
we see from the train out, because there I propose that you be able
1:53:10
to access this book, look at this book. I' ve done it
1:53:13
with a lot of love. I think there are things that are very dear,
1:53:15
very very intimate, and others not so intimate, are very open,
1:53:21
but it is a book that I have done from the heart and with the
1:53:26
heart traveling on the train of life. It is the title of a Julio
1:53:30
Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial platform. You can find him. The
1:53:36
book has a cost of fifteen euros in about 180 pages, and everything collected
1:53:43
from that book is invested, reinvested in the radio project of Onda Paz or
1:53:49
NAPU and in the train of life. Of course it is part of the
1:53:55
project so that this is put on and kept going as long as it never
1:54:00
stops So, I remind you and I thank you in advance for buying my
1:54:04
book on the Amazon platform, traveling on the train of the life of a
1:54:11
Julio Pérez server. Thank you always so but everyone travels on the train of
1:54:27
life, well, dear ones, friends and friends, today we speak with
1:54:45
a loud voice and, clearly as our friend don yao usually speaks tomorrows also
1:54:49
in his lawyer, a man of letters, a man who knows what he
1:54:54
speaks about today more than the social and political chronicle that we usually address.
1:54:59
And that' s the rabid stuff today. Today we want to talk about
1:55:04
conversion, Christian conversion, not conversion from the euro, to the dollar,
1:55:09
or conversion from the dollar to the euro, but Christian conversion. Well,
1:55:15
let' s board a little. This issue is true. This experience is
1:55:19
a mirage, a chimera, a transformational reality in the life of a human
1:55:27
being. Well, let' s see if we can get him to explain.
1:55:30
This has been discussed by theologians, writers and, of course, humanists
1:55:39
in many forums. Well, let' s see if today we can draw
1:55:44
some conclusions to know if we experience, if it is true that there is
1:55:49
an authentic conversion and if we are in that wave, if even many we
1:55:56
want to have had an experience of Christian conversion, it is not such.
1:55:59
It is not experienced by a purely fleeting light, but there are no roots
1:56:04
in the soul that confirm this experience that goes with it. Well, then,
1:56:09
let' s talk to don ya or mayanas. Very good morning,
1:56:13
dear, Yauma, very good morning, Julys, very good morning also to
1:56:16
all listeners. Thank you, man, you' ve already missed conversion.
1:56:20
I know it' s a subject you' re passionate about. Christian conversion
1:56:24
is a psychological manipulation, as some suggest, either in religious key or is
1:56:33
a supernatural experience. At best, I' d say it' s something
1:56:40
that' s very interesting, because many issues have to do with your desire
1:56:44
for change. Many people, at the beginning of each year you know or
1:56:49
at the end of thirty- one December, make New Year' s purposes,
1:56:55
in purposes that do not usually go beyond two or three, but rarely
1:56:59
come to the hour day because they are based on the desire of the human
1:57:03
being to change, the desire of the human being, to see that there
1:57:06
are things that do not work in his life and to say good, for
1:57:09
something must be done. And this year that well, we will sign up
1:57:11
to the gym and start the regime and we will do this and do the
1:57:16
other thing, but they have so little journey because they are based on the
1:57:21
desire of the human being, on the experience of the human being. Instead,
1:57:23
conversion is a completely different process. Conversation is a process that begins in
1:57:28
God, in God that gives a problem in the human being and that God
1:57:32
calls you to turn to him. That' s what the word conversion means.
1:57:38
Conversion means that you were going in one direction in all of you,
1:57:43
in all your life, in all your life, and it was in one
1:57:45
sense, and you' re saying that meaning is not taking me anywhere.
1:57:50
Well, it' s really taking me to a place where things are getting
1:57:54
worse, there' s less and less meaning in my life, every time
1:57:58
I realize that I' m ruining what I have around me, not even
1:58:03
when things go very well with me, because conversion is not for when you
1:58:06
' ve completely destroyed your life, but for when you' re slowly destroying
1:58:12
it, for when you' re hurting people around you, when you'
1:58:16
re only able to thrive at the cost of sinking others. So it doesn
1:58:21
' t depend on how good things are or not, but when you realize
1:58:25
you' re not going anywhere. Then it begins in God and ends in
1:58:29
God, because it is not about you, but about him. And that
1:58:33
' s what makes it not just an inner experience or an imagination of your
1:58:36
mind a matter of your subconscious to feel better, but it has to do
1:58:43
with God and not just man. But one would wonder well we talk about
1:58:49
conversion And well that word maybe a little more popular because of the conversion of
1:58:56
the euro to conversion from peseta to euro, from dollar to e, from
1:59:00
euro to dollar. But and more or less we see that it is a
1:59:05
transmutation, a change. But from what we have to become human beings,
1:59:10
because apparently there are people who have many problems in life and grave have gotten
1:59:14
into the black wells of life, but there are countless other people who live
1:59:17
in a flat life, a more or less bearable life. And become from
1:59:26
what And to what that is the thing, that is, conversion is not
1:59:29
only for a person who has gotten into a drug problem, to a person
1:59:31
who has had a very negative experience because he has destroyed his marriage, but
1:59:36
there is a basic problem of human beings. In fact, the entire Bible
1:59:43
speaks about this problem. It' s the problem of evil. All of
1:59:46
us, somehow, have been affected by him. Just to see it many
1:59:51
times I say that what you have to do is not go to a Nazi
1:59:55
concentration camp, but what you have to do is go to the most charming
1:59:58
place in our society, be a school and see how those little ones we
2:00:02
say they have no evil in them. That' s for sure. We
2:00:05
say that, of course, because we have not been in the schoolyard is
2:00:10
a tremendously cruel place and our children quickly learn what it is to live in
2:00:16
society and how to have to manage to survive with their fellowmen. Those precious
2:00:23
children whom we see sleeping at night, They too have been completely affected by
2:00:28
evil. Evil affects us completely. That is something that is a reality that
2:00:34
the Bible speaks from the beginning and the Bible uses a word for them,
2:00:40
the word sin. Of course, we, to the word sin, tend
2:00:44
to assimilate great criminals. We all agree to say that those who did the
2:00:50
attacks in Paris the other day or that people are the Islamic State that cuts
2:00:56
heads. Those are sinners But that is not what the Bible teaches. The
2:01:00
Bible teaches that the problem of evil is in the heart of every human being,
2:01:04
the heart of children, the heart of the best of our best intentions.
2:01:11
And we have to distinguish one thing, because sometimes we think of sins
2:01:15
and not sin. Sins are the consequence of sin. Sin is that our
2:01:23
whole being has been left to evil and the consequence of that effect of evil
2:01:29
is that each of us sins, we commit concrete sins as a consequence of
2:01:33
them. But sin is not only actions, but it is a state in
2:01:40
which we are born and from which we cannot free ourselves. Sin affects all
2:01:45
sin. It makes my relationship with God cut off, and that' s
2:01:50
serious, because if he' s the author of life and I' m
2:01:55
not connected to him. I mean, I have a connection only with death
2:01:58
and not with life, but it affects me as a human being. Each
2:02:01
of us are somehow broken beings. We are beings in which we are not
2:02:08
God' s purpose. We are not those beings who bless others if we
2:02:13
do not have inner problems, contradictions. We are deeply contradictory beings. How
2:02:18
many of us don' t want good, How many of us wouldn'
2:02:23
t want to do good to everyone, But we realize that we even hurt
2:02:27
the people we love the most. We are beings who have broken relationships almost
2:02:31
constantly, workers and entrepreneurs, against each other. Society, against each other,
2:02:40
in families, broken families, parents against children, husbands against wives,
2:02:45
our whole society is a set of broken relationships. But it is also that
2:02:51
we have broken the relationship with the planet, and the planet is bouncing against
2:02:57
us, it is calling for truce. That is the effect of sin as
2:03:01
a consequence of the evil in us. It is that we are committing actions,
2:03:09
sins that are evil, but it is the consequence of that evil that
2:03:12
is in us. Sure, it' s not about me being good,
2:03:15
I' m gonna stop doing this to each other. The problem is that
2:03:17
you have something inside you that is producing that which is the problem of evil
2:03:24
and you can' t get it out. No human being has the ability
2:03:28
for morals, for good, for good intentions, for you to be able
2:03:31
to get out of yourself the problem of sin. It is interesting to hear
2:03:41
Don Ya or Mallenas talk about Christian conversion and we are asking if this is
2:03:45
a purely psychological effect or, for something deeper. And, of course,
2:03:50
we could self- believe, fool ourselves that we' re experiencing a psychological
2:03:59
catharsis. But then, the result of that, well, it has to
2:04:02
be something, something and the truth is that I think what you' ve
2:04:08
done is something we don' t usually do in the part. We do
2:04:11
so in other fields, both in politics, in the social, in the
2:04:14
familiar, in the economic, but in terms of human spirituality, which is
2:04:17
such a part of such an important dimension, so relevant to the human being,
2:04:24
so unknown. By the way, diagnose our moral state. I do
2:04:30
not speak in the code of religious morality, our moral state before God,
2:04:34
because God is there. It is a wonderful being, but God is a
2:04:39
pure being and we are lacking with God. Then there. The proposal of
2:04:44
the Gospel is that to experience true conversion there is a key that is normally
2:04:50
so unpopular. Jesus has spoken of repentance and believe in the Gospel this of
2:04:58
repentance. Nobody here regrets anything. It is difficult to experience this touch of
2:05:03
repentance. What' s that supposed to mean, why is it scratchy?
2:05:08
That' s the key, that is, the beginning, is the fact
2:05:11
that you recognize that you have a problem, no one goes to the doctor.
2:05:15
If you don' t have a problem, no one' s going
2:05:17
to see the lawyer. If you don' t understand that you' re
2:05:19
in a difficult situation. In the same way in our society. What we
2:05:23
' re doing is turning off consciousness. Every time someone says ay it'
2:05:28
s that I think I' ve done it wrong And so the others run
2:05:30
all over and say that goes, goes, goes, goes, goes,
2:05:32
goes, you' re not to blame. No one' s guilty of
2:05:34
anything. And of course, good man, the one who took all the
2:05:40
millions, the one who is the same as the one who is guilty because
2:05:43
he arrived. I don' t know how many billions of Valencia City Halls.
2:05:45
No, but we' re people. Well, we feel uncomfortable,
2:05:50
even with each other' s guilt. No one' s to blame for
2:05:57
anything. As you said, one of our society' s favorite phrases is
2:06:00
I don' t regret anything. Julio, I want to tell you that
2:06:05
I do regret a lot of things. I' m not one of those
2:06:10
who doesn' t regret anything. I, personally, have done many things
2:06:15
with which I have hurt many people. I' ve done things I shouldn
2:06:19
' t have done, doing things that are totally inadequate, that wasn'
2:06:26
t the best, that wasn' t what God wanted, that wasn'
2:06:30
t something to benefit others. I hurt myself and I hurt others he hears
2:06:31
and I think I have not been corrupt or killed anyone, but, despite
2:06:35
everything, I have done many things that are wrong. And the basis,
2:06:41
the beginning is in that step, in saying, there is a criterion of
2:06:46
justice. Good exists, seeing is such an abstract concept and so liquid that
2:06:53
no one can know what it is. We all know, in the end,
2:06:57
if I' ve had my car scratched, that that' s wrong.
2:07:00
We all know when someone has made a climb and got a promotion at
2:07:05
my expense. When someone has criticized me, we all know it' s
2:07:11
wrong. Sometimes we relativize everything so that when evil is so relative, no
2:07:15
one can say that someone has done something wrong. But there are things that
2:07:19
are wrong. There are many things that are wrong, and the thing begins
2:07:25
by feeling that I have done it wrong by many regrets. Repentance changes first
2:07:30
in your mind, that is, the direction I have gone was not the
2:07:36
right one. That thing I did was wrong. The intentions of my heart
2:07:42
were not right, because only when we recognize that something was wrong, can
2:07:47
the thing begin to go. Well, when you don' t feel sick,
2:07:54
you don' t have to go to the doctor. Is it silly
2:07:56
to go see the doctor when you' re not bad? It' s
2:07:59
silly to go to your lawyer when it' s not bad. But when
2:08:01
you feel like you have a disease, that' s when you' re
2:08:05
looking for help. There' s a lot of people who are wrong but
2:08:09
don' t know. There are times when you have a serious illness,
2:08:15
a disease that can lead to death, but you don' t know.
2:08:18
That doesn' t mean you don' t know that you' re not
2:08:20
bad. The degree of illness has nothing to do with whether you recognize it
2:08:26
or not. The situation will improve in the sense that when you recognize it
2:08:31
you can start looking for if there is a solution. And the solution is
2:08:37
that the question is that the problem of evil, the problem of sin,
2:08:41
does have a solution. But the first thing you have to recognize is that
2:08:46
you' re wrong, because if you don' t, there' s
2:08:50
no chance of finding the solution. This is what repentance is, in the
2:08:52
recognition of saying there is evil in me. This evil is going to destroy
2:09:00
me and other people, and I want to find a solution. That'
2:09:05
s the only difference. The difference is not that there are religious people and
2:09:09
non- religious people, there are religious people who never recognize that it is
2:09:15
wrong, but the difference is when you feel sinful and know that the solution
2:09:20
is only God, because then things begin to improve substantively. So this is
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the way to experience conversion in that encounter with Jesus Christ, the Son of
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God, because I was thinking of society as a drug- trafficking society.
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And I wouldn' t want to be far from being sensitive and rude.
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But we' re like a zombie generation and I was among these, in
2:09:56
this zombie generation that we were going through that inertia. We had the virus
2:10:01
inoculated. And the truth is that that generation, those people, that narcotized,
2:10:09
cauterized, burned consciousness that we had has been insensitive, because it was
2:10:16
so hard for us to repent of our personal sin. We are at fault
2:10:22
with God. We are at fault sometimes with other people because we have done
2:10:26
bad or bad things towards people and harmed someone. But we are also at
2:10:33
fault with God, our creator. Then why it costs us so much to
2:10:37
be and we are so insensitive to realize our error and to repent of our
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sins. This word is a cursed word for society. Today, yes,
2:10:50
the truth is that behind the bad things we do, behind sin, there
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is another problem. That what is behind all of this is that, somehow,
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what causes there to be evil in us actually, the most serious thing
2:11:07
is not all that we do, it is not the sins, but the
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most serious thing is to turn away from God. That is really the problem
2:11:20
that generates everything else the moment we expel God from our life, when,
2:11:26
instead of God being the most important thing for us, we begin to place
2:11:31
a lot of things. But when you don' t love God above all
2:11:39
things you mean there are things you love more than God. Those things you
2:11:45
love more than God are your idols. You love money more, or you
2:11:52
love your family more or you love your person more. But God is no
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longer the absolute. God is not what you most desire. On earth.
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You desire other things above God. That will clearly show you if you now
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put on what you most desire in the world. This, this, this,
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those are your idols that you are worshiping, which you prefer to be
2:12:22
more important to you than God. And when you expel God, you keep
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those other things and you know neither the money, nor all the money in
2:12:33
the world, nor all the affection of all people, nor all that you
2:12:39
consider to be the most important thing in the world. They have the ability
2:12:43
to satisfy your heart. None of them have the ability to give you eternal
2:12:48
life. Because the problem of sin is not only that makes you unhappy here,
2:12:54
because sometimes you can live relatively happy, but the problem of sin is
2:13:00
that it causes you, as you have disconnected from the author of the life
2:13:05
of the one who has created life, only death remains for you and all
2:13:09
human beings we have to face death here. But the really serious problem is
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not only death here, but eternal death, because eternal separation from God is
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eternal death. That' s why God promises you something. God promises you
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that you can come to have life again, that you can come to have
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not life like the one you can have here on earth, but eternal life.
2:13:35
And eternal life you have to understand one thing, that eternal life is
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not only a very long life, but that eternal life is the life of
2:13:43
God. Only God has eternal life, but you can have the life of
2:13:50
God, because God wants to give you that life. You have to reconnect
2:13:56
with God. If the sin is that you ever cast God out of your
2:13:58
life. If sin is that you have wanted a lot of things instead of
2:14:03
God, God comes to you to offer you eternal life. In the matter,
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conversion is that you can leave the death you are living to live God
2:14:16
' s life. And that' s it. That' s absolutely great,
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it' s wonderful how. But that' s the cool thing.
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That' s what it is. Conversion is to begin to live the life
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of God. If Jesus taught us that it is what I at least received
2:14:33
and is what the transformative experience really is, he taught us that it was
2:14:43
necessary to preach to men and to repent and also to believe in the Gospel.
2:14:52
In the gospel it is God' s good news for man, the
2:14:54
news of salvation from eternal life that you in Christ, Jesus. But now
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faith in Jesus Christ is an act of trust in God. This is the
2:15:05
second true step. Without this click there is no change possible. Indeed,
2:15:11
a first thing is to see that you have separated yourself from God. The
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consequence of the separation from God is all those evil events that are occurring.
2:15:22
All that lack of life that in your life, all that lack of purpose
2:15:28
that you can notice. But it is also that eternal death. But,
2:15:31
on the other hand, all that you couldn' t get, that no
2:15:35
human being could get. In fact, repentance does not achieve eternal life either,
2:15:41
because what eternal life accomplishes is not what you could do. So,
2:15:46
at first I said this is not a question of man. Man can even
2:15:52
repent in some way, but man cannot achieve eternal life by himself is bankrupt,
2:15:56
he has no chance of achieving it, for what man could not do
2:16:01
is what God has done. When man was unable to save himself, God
2:16:09
sent his son. When we think about what the sense of Christmas is.
2:16:16
True, God became a man. It is that that eternal God became man
2:16:20
because we could not get it, because we never had anything with which we
2:16:28
could pay for that sin. And then, what we couldn' t do,
2:16:33
he did when we didn' t have the ability to get life.
2:16:37
He got it for us how to become a man, living a just life
2:16:45
among us and then going to the cross with my sins on top. Jesus
2:16:48
Christ did not die to give us a good example, because he had no
2:16:54
choice or because the Jews wanted to kill him. He offered his life for
2:17:00
us. Evil is so serious that God cannot forget it. God is a
2:17:07
righteous god. If God simply forgot about the evil embarrassed, nothing like no
2:17:11
has happened, that would mean that all the great criminals who have the bad
2:17:16
habit of dying in their beds could unjustly live forever. And that' s
2:17:24
what it can' t be. God has to judge evil in the world
2:17:28
to God. Judge evil in the world, or you pay for that evil
2:17:31
with your life, or God pays. And the question is that God paid
2:17:37
for that evil. And that we can do two things. Face eternity,
2:17:43
face death with our own resources, face death alone, or simply trust him,
2:17:50
trust him and put out, trust that he gives you eternal life by
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human beings. There are people who say I' m glad you have that
2:18:03
faith and I say you' re not happy, because you can have it,
2:18:07
too. In the end, each of us has to decide who he
2:18:11
will trust when we have to appear before God, because whether you believe or
2:18:16
not he will not prevent you from appearing before God. But when we have
2:18:20
to appear before God, with what you will present yourself with your own righteousness
2:18:26
or with the righteousness that he got on the cross. For You, You
2:18:30
can be delivered from your sins, You can be forgiven from your sins,
2:18:35
You can have the righteousness of God, which He gave you. And you
2:18:39
can' t do that with any good deed. You can' t get
2:18:43
it with anything you have. But if you can when you receive what he
2:18:48
has done for You, when you put your trust in faith, it is
2:18:52
not a strange thing. Faith is in whom we decide to trust to face
2:18:58
the eternal in God or in yourself. And so it is I believe that,
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gentlemen and gentlemen with good understanding, these words are more than enlightening.
2:19:11
Yauma one of the paradigms of conversion, even not only from the biblical point
2:19:15
of view, but popular that has become popular in conversion, in the figure
2:19:22
of Saul or Paul. When one says good, for I Paul became the
2:19:28
way of Damascus. People know, at least in the social imaginary, this
2:19:33
figure of Saul' s conversion is the only reference to conversion that is popularly
2:19:39
true, yes, but there are many more, because all human beings,
2:19:46
not only those who were persecutors of the church, not only those who were
2:19:50
a pestilence, but all of us We have to find our way to God,
2:19:58
because conversion is, conversion is to find my way to God. In
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some cases, for some people it is a dramatic fact, it is a
2:20:07
fact that they were going to chase, to kill, to do something terrible,
2:20:13
to commit suicide. I know people who were going to kill themselves and
2:20:18
suddenly have come to themselves and at that moment God has said where I am
2:20:22
going and has turned to God at a dramatic moment in his life. But
2:20:26
whether it' s dramatic or not. Some people decided that they were children
2:20:31
and saw that they were not going anywhere. A five- year- old
2:20:35
can feel weight for sin and may want to seek God as a solution.
2:20:41
Any kind of person at any time, because that' s the thing that
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can even be a gradual process in which you realize day by day, that
2:20:50
that' s not the direction you should go that you' re going towards
2:20:54
self- destruction. No, and you realize that the only solution is in
2:21:01
God and you' re making the decision to keep looking for God day by
2:21:07
day that if there is any solution, it must be in him and not
2:21:11
in you and that process in a time takes you to God. So,
2:21:16
and whether you turn to God, I beat you immediately, whether you'
2:21:20
re already at some point in that professed one, just as you' ve
2:21:26
been struggling with that idea for a while now, just as long ago you
2:21:31
realize that it' s a process of discovery, that the place you were
2:21:35
going to is not the right place to go trying to provide your own solutions,
2:21:39
you leave, realizing that that' s not the solution. And there
2:21:43
comes a moment where you say God look, I realize that I don'
2:21:46
t, and I' ve decided to trust what you' ve done because
2:21:48
I realize that I don' t have the solution. It' s a
2:21:52
comeback. The Bible sometimes describes it as like this, not as turning on
2:21:56
the light itself, as suddenly you see it. Of course not. And
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that' s the process. So sometimes it' s an instant question.
2:22:07
Sometimes it takes time, because God is working in your life God really loves
2:22:11
you, God seeks you, God loves you, God is behind you,
2:22:16
not because he needs anything, but because you need everything. But God loves
2:22:22
you, God loves you God seeks you no. And that is the relationship
2:22:26
that God maintains even with those who deserve nothing but to live forever apart from
2:22:33
God. Yes, that' s the horror more And for me, at
2:22:39
this point it would be unimaginable and I remember at the time when I experienced
2:22:46
conversion, I was eighteen years old and I lived it in a very flat
2:22:54
world, very gray and my reasonings were very, very primary, very elementary,
2:23:03
but I could experience the horror of sin and at that time I realized
2:23:07
that I was missing with God and asked God sincerely for forgiveness of my sins
2:23:13
and deposited all my trust in Jesus Christ. And from then on, forty
2:23:16
- four years later, jama, because now one speaks, that is,
2:23:20
what is the result. This is nothing. It' s smoke, it
2:23:26
' s just a vapor, a mist of life. Not many interesting and
2:23:31
good things have happened, as a person has grown that experience with God,
2:23:37
has grown, has developed and today I say as if it were yesterday or
2:23:41
before yesterday. So, that' s why the question is what changes occur
2:23:48
in a person' s life. With conversion I' m describing mine.
2:23:52
Not really, since you describe yours. Let me count, too. Yeah,
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like a chance. Yes, I was turning to God when I was
2:24:01
about nineteen. A year earlier, something happened in my life, which is
2:24:05
that I did not follow a religious life. I didn' t go to
2:24:11
the Catholic Church at that time, because every week and the whole thing,
2:24:15
but I knew that something didn' t work out well that my life,
2:24:20
I lived from shit to shit. Every day I had to go looking for
2:24:24
some purpose to live, because that, that was very short- lived.
2:24:28
Even when I was young, I realized that that was not on purpose.
2:24:33
And what God did provide when I realized that there was a problem called Sin
2:24:37
and that there was a solution, which was called Christ, is that God
2:24:41
brought his life into my life. And one thing that is important is that
2:24:46
since that moment my life has had a clear purpose, because I stopped living
2:24:52
for myself, to start living for God' s purposes. People think that
2:24:58
the more selfish it is that the more it lives for itself, the more
2:25:05
results it will get. The problem. You know what it is that there
2:25:07
are more than seven billion people in the world who try to live for themselves
2:25:13
when you live, selfishly, when you think you will get more out of
2:25:18
life, if you live for the party, if you live for goals,
2:25:22
for you, if you live for and you realize in the end that all
2:25:26
that has brought into your life is empty. Empty, empty and you wake
2:25:31
up purposelessly one day after another and say God life can give no more than
2:25:35
this. And one thing that' s interesting is that the Bible promises you
2:25:39
God. He promises you that when you know God, when you receive God
2:25:46
in your heart, when you decide to trust that God, God puts the
2:25:50
spirit in You. That is the gift of the Holy Spirit begins to live
2:25:54
in your heart and from that moment on God says that rivers of living water
2:26:01
flow within you. It is a completely new experience, the experience of rivers
2:26:05
of living water, because God begins to flow within you and you make sense
2:26:09
and give you purpose and you know what you get up for the next day,
2:26:15
and you know what you live for, what God' s purposes are,
2:26:18
as before, you lived for You and live for You. It only
2:26:22
caused you dissatisfaction, begin to live for God and for the other and bless
2:26:30
the other, do good things for the other, work for those things that
2:26:35
God has put before You, to improve the environment, to make this world
2:26:39
a living place. Just look at your work. It starts to make sense
2:26:45
before you went there because there was no choice to make money. But now
2:26:48
you go to fulfill God’ s purposes, to make this earth a better
2:26:52
place, to make your work, which can be very repetitive, bless others
2:26:56
exactly repetitive. It makes sense, because you realize not what you do,
2:27:05
but who blesses what you do. And you start thinking about blessing others that
2:27:11
you are here so that others also know God, so that others have the
2:27:16
same experience and truth that living for God is the great experience. You have
2:27:22
to get out of yourself. You have to realize that life has no meaning
2:27:26
when it is focused on You, but instead, it has everything when it
2:27:28
is focused on God. And in others and really that has been exciting sometimes
2:27:33
talking to my wife, I say well, I have lived with God for
2:27:39
a few years. There have been no more than thirty years with God,
2:27:43
but they have been as if they were sixty or seventy, for I have
2:27:48
lived intensely to squeeze out life in these years. And it is not that
2:27:52
I feel so satisfied with myself, but I feel very satisfied with what God
2:27:58
has given me. God has been very unfaithful for all these years. I
2:28:01
' ve experienced different crises. I lived the crisis of seventy- nine,
2:28:05
the oil crisis, I lived the crisis of the restoration of the We have
2:28:11
received personal crises, with losses of people in my family, I saw of
2:28:16
experiences of diseases and difficult experiences, of contradiction of hard moments of life,
2:28:24
but it has been cool to live them with God. It' s been
2:28:28
an experience I wouldn' t change for anything. I' ve learned a
2:28:31
lot, I' ve grown a lot, I' ve been very blessed
2:28:37
by God all these years and I hope to remain here. But I have
2:28:41
the hope of eternal life that that will continue, that what I am living
2:28:43
here is only a pale reflection of what God has prepared for me when I
2:28:50
see him face to face, because I am going to see face to face
2:28:52
with God, not on my own merits, but for those he got.
2:28:56
And it would be a little bit what I wanted to tell about me too.
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And what a nice step, that' s nice, because it'
2:29:07
s very important to our friends who listen to us in so many Spanish cities
2:29:13
and behind global radio anywhere in the world. It is also very important that
2:29:18
we can identify this experience, which is not generic, ethereal, abstract and
2:29:24
impracticable or non- experimental, that we count it in the experience of men
2:29:31
and women. They could also testify to this in flesh and blood, and
2:29:35
I am in some way calling on the interviewee and a servant so that our
2:29:39
listeners know that this really happens and there are real tangible changes and even how
2:29:46
much it would give if this topic did not convert as a transformative experience,
2:29:54
a definitely supernatural experience in the passively sustained. Thank you very much, my
2:30:01
dear Yaoma, for thanks also for being with us this morning on the train
2:30:05
of life. Dear friend, a hug, very affectionate, embrace always m
2:30:31
the train of life, life, your life is a gift to see my
2:30:37
illusion, that you be happy and that all your healing become reality. Today
2:30:45
I celebrate your smile the joy you breathe. It' s so nice to
2:30:52
be with you and have you, Cadiz. It' s another year you
2:30:58
' re here celebrating in front of me, sharing your way of life,
2:31:07
feeling that beautiful seeing you like this, so joyful and so happy, embracing
2:31:13
the certainty of what' s to come, that your soles are fulfilled before
2:31:22
you paddle money so that it' s worth but it' s all the
2:31:28
night that brings winter, that your dreams are fulfilled and that you raise egg,
2:31:35
that your life is cooked with the blessing is you fall into heaven that
2:31:41
if you don' t have to love all your hour. When you hear
2:31:43
the sound of this simple song, the rambling, the maradar, add to
2:31:58
you and his gift to me my illusion that you will be happy and that
2:32:07
all your longings will come true, your smile will tell her that you breathe,
2:32:16
that I orine you are with you and have you cavila, that your
2:32:24
dreams will be fulfilled before you paddle money so that it will be dogorita the
2:32:31
night, that it will bring fear, that your dreams will be fulfilled and
2:32:37
that you will raise egg, that will be filled with your life with the
2:32:41
blessings that falls in heaven, that inun drinks love all your heart. When
2:32:43
you hear it sound is the simple song, tell me that life is short,
2:32:54
keep on that there is much abode, or I am good, well
2:33:09
bring buy my dream and leave the ground, fill your life with the blessings
2:33:15
that falls into heaven, which is the name r your bowl to hear that
2:33:22
I am this without song Grow and do not weigh me. Listen, I
2:33:37
' m nothing. Not anymore. Choosing the perfect song for your wedding day
2:33:58
dance may cost a lot, but choosing it while driving may cost you to
2:34:03
step on the accelerator without realizing it. Costing an accident will cost an emergency
2:34:09
service call, costing the loss of a friend and cost a sense of guilt.
2:34:15
This song can end up costing a lot and be the mask of the
2:34:18
world. A small decision can trigger consequences for everyone. Directorate- General for
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Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. I' m good
2:34:26
enough to have two horres to call the barber. I don' t panic
2:34:30
between the containers. We can have a new life or the house to create
2:34:33
is right. We can be useful and do not recycle with forty plastic bottles.
2:34:37
If he makes a lining for the libric he says yes and this is
2:34:39
the size. We' re going to bike and give packaging a new life.
2:34:43
Put them in their container and take care of the environment. They don
2:34:50
' t keep an eye on giving the can. Give a new life to
2:34:52
the packaging. Recicla mancomunidades San Marcos and Ecohendes the train of life, an
2:35:03
exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable journey at the rhythm
2:35:11
of the train. Well, we' re already talking to our friend José
2:36:00
de Segovia. You know that José de Segovia is a journalist, is a
2:36:07
Protestant pastor in the city of Madrid and, moreover, is a critical name
2:36:13
of art, of literature that is put before him, because he is at
2:36:20
the end, is the day of so many questions. It is a real
2:36:26
melomaniac and also reader and let' s say insatiable from the latest novels or
2:36:35
narrative or anything else of interest. And we always appreciate being able to talk
2:36:41
to him about so many things and these characters, about social influence, as
2:36:48
well as musical influence, of course, that have marked a time such as
2:36:52
the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Rolling Stones and also the Uros group, the
2:37:00
Irish group, And we want to ask him, who is very up to
2:37:03
date with this also what influence they have exerted on social consciousness, in the
2:37:11
youth of then and now Hello, Dear Joseph, Dear friend, very good
2:37:20
morning, José, speaking of musical influence, the Beatles are always the reference
2:37:24
of a new era a new era and from there the music takes on another
2:37:28
color. True what the Beatles represented from then on until now, as the
2:37:35
Beatles were more than just the favorite music of a generation. He became his
2:37:39
spokesman, more even his guide, we could say even spiritual. You have
2:37:45
to realize that people followed their opinions and comments even in their way of seeing
2:37:50
the world and conceiving life. Ultimately, this is what they were sometimes calling
2:37:56
even the Gospel the Second Beatles. The idea of how they became a spiritual
2:38:01
guide, which has been analyzed in recent biography, the opinions that were dropping
2:38:07
into interviews, the texts of the songs, all of which became more than
2:38:15
just a spokesman. We could say in the spiritual fun of an entire generation
2:38:20
that encompasses already three different, because whatever was yours may be followed by two
2:38:26
more that have continued to have you as the main one. Really the popular
2:38:31
music group and the best- selling albums that to this day are rarely on
2:38:35
offer, because they are precisely the most demanded and demanded and continue to be
2:38:41
an extraordinary source of income for the now difficult caramba record industry. Yes,
2:38:52
the truth that the Beatles represent a time, a music that still prevails in
2:38:58
the echo of time and that has created a style, without a doubt,
2:39:03
that triggers the new era of music. The rollings that come to represent the
2:39:09
rolling sones that are so for some games, the Rolling Stones were the bad
2:39:13
face, let' s say of what the Beatles were most positively presented,
2:39:22
although at their origin in Germany, when they combien are playing in clubs,
2:39:26
they are precisely on the dark side of life. But the Rollings, from
2:39:30
the beginning, as one of their songs says, painted it all black and,
2:39:35
evidently, spoke more about urban dissatisfaction, especially from the fourth album that
2:39:41
has this track. They actually come in to do the spokesman for what we
2:39:48
might call a recently nihilistic message, a book with a hedonistic passion for trying
2:39:56
to aspire from life to the last, only the way I saw the path
2:40:01
really that seems to dedicate the philosophy of the Rolling Claro Spons Rollings we still
2:40:11
see them there as well as the Beatles, as they have been diluting.
2:40:16
There are still some survivors left, but the Rollings already see them there with
2:40:20
almost a hundred years playing still. That' s the amazing thing. Claro
2:40:24
inaugurated a kind of rock gerontocracy. No yes, with which talking about youthful
2:40:28
music is at least paradoxical when we talk about people sixty years, which is
2:40:35
the age they are now to average the Rolling Stones. It is really amazing
2:40:41
how they are maintained and who has ever seen that, despite the years,
2:40:45
they are still in excellent physical condition, despite always what has been said of
2:40:50
the absolutely Indian life they should have. I wasn' t supposed to do
2:40:58
as much as it looks because of my current condition. There is a lot
2:41:01
of pose, of course, in the rollings, as we see in other
2:41:05
rock groups, in the image of bad rebel children. You don' t
2:41:09
agree with reality. While you have heard once in an interview with Jagger,
2:41:11
for example, you will observe English educated to manners, which has absolutely correct
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the education of someone who has been totally conformed to the traditional elitist model of
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British education. But the image they give clear was quite the opposite, the
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image of rebellious and very rude boys. I don' t think it corresponds
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to reality enough. Yes, well, I think that, for example,
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the title more than pejorative his satanic majesty, is a transgressive attempt against conventional
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and religious culture. True, Yes, the title that actually comes from the
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famous ten- end song of the sixties, which is called sympathy for the
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devil, is really inspired not by the devil the biblical character, but by
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the work, on the one hand, of William Blake and, above all,
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a novel by a Russian writer named Michael Bulgakov, is called The Master
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and Margarita. The book was given to Jagger by a friend and companion of
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his, recently deceased, the Swedish Anita Pallenberg. She gave him this book
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and fascinated by the story that tells of how he would see the story of
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the Gospel, the devil who was in a park in St Petersburg, the
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character of the novel is how he thinks, what the world would be like
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from the point of view of the devil, understood as the person without an
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arrogant rebel norm. This is the devil of the Stones song that then his
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recording even recorded. In it there is a whole film of the new wave
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of French goutf cinema is recorded how it was finally recorded from song that mythology
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has often wanted to see as recorded in the midst of boudou rituals and magical
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ceremonies, but that was recorded as coadquier another song and of course, the
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devil seems more to represent the normal rebellious n character of the figure than in
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the Bible we know by that name. And we got to the Irish group
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U two, well we could go through others. Of course it is to
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make intermediate scales and to see evolution a little more in detail, but time
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does not allow it. But we came to one of the most emblematic groups
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with intelligent music, supportive music, and also reflective music about the transcendent Group
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Two. What difference can we find between the Rollins, the Beatles and Group
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Two, as two or Utsu, as it is called in English, which
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is a pun between the name of the well- known Budos plane with the
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expression you also uttered one would do exactly the same in English. It is
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a group born of young people converted into a Christian community from the charismatic renewal
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that took place in Dublin in the eighties, formed by a former missionary of
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origin in China, greatly inspired by the work of Watchman Ne who called Salon.
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The community no longer exists, but lived the real conversion of hundreds of
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young people and particularly in the school where they all studied. It is the
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only non- Catholic school in a neighborhood of Bublin where many English people live,
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galletes, person you have come from Britain that does not belong to so
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many Catholic editions. The case of Itsu' s singer, leader and charismatic
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voice is the son, on the one hand, of a Catholic and an
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Anglican mother. I mean, he comes from the two religious cultures that make
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up irandas, but he attended the episcopal church, which is what is called
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wool in Ireland. He has a Bible education and has been fascinated, as
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shown in a recent video, by psalms, always psalms, which he learned
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as a child in church and also in Bible studies at school itself. In
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outside of teaching hours, he became familiar with writing. The faith experience of
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God’ s spirit in this community was certainly genuine. What happens is that
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the tensions that took place that root of prophetic messages that were inside the community,
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that called them to leave the music and put them in the diction,
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is indistinguishable to choose to be the figures that have become or finally leave the
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music. One of them is guitarist Djage, who is the Welsh gene Evans.
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He even left the music for a while. It is the only time
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that the band was about to break for a considerable period of time, precisely
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because of the faith of this guitarist, who thought that, by means of
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a prophetic message, God asked him to leave the music, because he had
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become an idol in a god for him. That' s how he understood
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it. Finally, they understood their vocation differently and thought, as Bo has
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said many times, that if God had given them those gifts, it would
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be for them to use. So, for the sake of music, at
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least they' ve been on it. Another thing is how Joseph will have
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affected them spiritually, what musical and social influence they have exercised in general,
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how you would define it vis in their time and even today, the Rollings
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and Group Two in the masses, especially in the youth of each of their
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epochs. The influence in this sense, because it is much more positive,
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clear in the clearly solidarity messages, as you have said very well, of
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its linked to many humanitarian causes, but we really see that they belong to
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different generations in some way, and the disc of the rock culture that personifies
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the lycees of the spongs and that in a certain way, because it has
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helped to give the alternative. I think it is spiritual to all good caramba,
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because this is the influence of these musical groups and this is their message.
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The truth is that you still could have had a new job coming up.
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True yes, indeed, it seems at last that there is a recording
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that will be like a second part of this more autobiographical album that they had
2:48:11
just made, if it is a record that returns to the origins. In
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these songs we find all the songs that marked this teenage age. It was
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included clearly his experience wishes the one that refers to the songs violence that certainly
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lived very dramatically in this case, since the famous explosion of Ani Skillen was
2:48:33
very good related to her, since it was present at that time. And
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the mother figure. You have to realize that, different members of jitsu are
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orphans, that is, they lost one of their parents at a very early
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age as children. So this has also given a particular character always the sensitivity
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of them that differentiates it from others in some strange way that orphanhood always accompanies
2:49:01
you, and the theme of Bono' s mother appears an exertraordinary in the
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last album, in which tells him a song and returns the shadow of a
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disease and desolation that, without doubt good what young teenager like everyone who has
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lost someone as special as it is of his parents? Of course, of
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course, well, ladies and gentlemen, there is that explanation of the musical
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and, of course, social influence exercised by music. That influence, usually
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benign at times debatable. Evidently, yesterday' s and today' s music
2:49:45
were watching a classical concert, the concerto de alcún ser de la reforma.
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Here was a chamber orchestra by Maria Vodker, who was magnificent. It'
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s another music, it' s another time. But, of course,
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this music, because, obviously, it connects with the new consciousness, with
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the new society, with a new youth, a new youth stream and the
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truth that we have to be aware of. Right. Joseph, yes,
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I believe that many times with some believers there is a bit of gesture.
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It is of God or of the devil of human things and as all mankind
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is marked by sin, on the one hand, by confusion and ignorance,
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there are ideas that are not correct and also, with no place to be
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freed by a certain spiritual influence. But we have to see music as what
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is a creation of the human being and therefore it is neither diabolical nor angelic.
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He really has the contradictions that exist in each of us, because the
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clear human being has a problem for him. The only answer is in God.
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It is not in any music, nor in any creation or human invention,
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but in the gospel that shows us how he is the answer to our
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problem in Christ Jesus? This is Christ Jesus, it is our destiny and
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it is our aspiration, in any case and in anything that we can enjoy
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what surrounds us with good music, good times, good books, good friends
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and so many things that are so positive and so edifying for our lives.
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Dear Joseph, I am very grateful that you have been with us this short
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time dear friend, always delighted to be on your train, come a brozas
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and in the best place to reflect and think about the things that matter.
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That' s right, dear Joseph, a very affectionate embrace until ever,
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until the near consciousness. O Stevens o u n s O U O s
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s. S. Evangelical churches are a place of peace and friendship. You
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can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You
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' ll be very welcome.