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Talks to Brendan Jones & Si Hart about their choice of Terminus (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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The Doctor Who commentary podcast where I Joe Ford and
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Brandon Jones. Hello.
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Hello. Dear listeners and Simon heart.
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Doctor Who fans in the whole universe.
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I have not slept together. How you doing?
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Gentlemen, well look, the height difference was just
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insurmountable. Well, it was really, I mean we
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we fucked everyone else but Off at store to get some emails in
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about this one. Joe Brenton, your conquests in
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England are notorious now, right?
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And still spoken to in hollowed Whispers Look for completely,
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unrelated reasons. I just have to recommend Phantom
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film's Events. Well, Joe knows all about that,
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why? We're here again to talk about
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Terminus episode 4, or I'm blaming Fraser.
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I shouldn't be here at all. I have no one to blame but
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myself. Yeah, we yeah you went for this
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one related. No, gentlemen, we're all three
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of us are heading to a very big bang back to the first event.
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Hey, why don't one of many Big Bangs in Doctor Who or you ready
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sir to take the plunge? Yes indeed.
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What does he bring it every time you come on, this thing a go
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gets very flowy you know bad influence.
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I'm a Libra. What can I say in five?
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Four, three, two, one. Let's bang.
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Oh sorry, let's go. Okay.
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So once again, I'd like to remind The Listener to look out
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for the star coming out of Peter Davison.
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Stop left highlight I've seen it now.
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Yeah, I just saw it as well. We'll never be able to unsee it.
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Now is the problem. Yes.
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Some is said something still with us.
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Asking was that deliberate? Yeah, he's still around.
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We could sort. We can find out.
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So, you know, that get towed it story.
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Hey, Doc must have his number, I'll ask him, you know that big
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finished or you were talking about Brendan.
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Hmm. It was that pitch famous?
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Yeah 21. Yeah.
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Okay. And I think it may have even
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been in front of your slot in an early in early Incarnation
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because I seem to recall reading somewhere.
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That part of the reason that bid made rights front, EOS is Um,
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that's a word wanted someone he didn't have to do much work
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with. You know, because, you know,
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he's massaging between dilemma and The Awakening by new
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writers. And so, you know, he wanted some
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old hands that he wouldn't have to, he wouldn't have to monitor
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so hard. She know I love your choice of
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words, but the for various toward massaging, anybody fills
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me with Terror. Well, you have to remember.
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That would be the fault of producer John nathan-turner, but
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of course, Did you see that thing?
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Very busy scene. There wasn't a loss was going on
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and none of it was very it was like Richard.
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Martin was directing it for a second, it's not quite that bad.
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Yeah, but predominantly Garbutt. Oh no, never have another go, it
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is bellboys brother. Yes, yeah, even even when
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watching great showing the Galaxy in 1989, my mum came in
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and she said, oh, that's the brother of The guy who was in
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Terminus, you remember? No.
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I don't remember. Yeah, it probably is.
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Yes. He's got a lovely hairy chest
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and only one of them was shortlisted for the role of the
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doctor, by the way alarm. Sure it will.
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You please make that point so controlling the go on.
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Sorry. I was just going to say don't
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dominate guard was a bafta award winner for best newcomer in the
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70s as a child actor. Yes, I comfy repetitively.
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Oh good for him. Like I don't think he's bad in
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this but I think I think just his characters of it regardless.
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Yes. Yeah I do wonder and I'm going
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to say a lot of a lot of these actors have been in 80s who you
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know, they go on to the the woman who played Preston in
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Warriors that are deep. She went on to write a series of
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self-help books to help. I will say in terms of tower
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award, as Preston pennant Roberts comes in for a lot of
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criticism. And rightfully so, you know,
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leading to our friend, Peter Peter, Griffiths term pennant,
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Robert scientist, but one of the great decisions, he makes is
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gender flipping characters to have more women in Doctor Who
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and the two notable times, he does it with Marnie in the sun,
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makers, and Preston. In in worries of the deep, it's
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a great success. And he gets great actresses into
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play those parts. Like, Preston is probably my
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favorite character, in in Warriors of the deep for the way
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they pay her up with turlough. I'm going to say something a bit
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controversial. Here, possibly a bit.
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Controversial, go on. I think if you take Carrie and
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all the air out of this story and put Tegan and turlough in
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their place, you would have a stronger script that would work.
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Well, they would give them signs.
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Who exactly you? You have kind of wandering
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around with Peter and you have turlough, trying to rescue
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Nyssa. Despite the fact, he, he thinks
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he doesn't really care. But You've got that conversation
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with turlough earlier and Teagan talking about.
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Could you kill someone? He's going to have his moral
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qualms? This could be his moral qualms.
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Yeah, you know, and like all these Rescue of NASA is really
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effectual because it is that they do in Amy's who specially
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Davis's time, where you've got a lot of Companions and then they
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added tons of mostly or interesting guest characters.
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So then their companions don't get a lot to do our finger.
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It happens a bit in Jody whiskers time as well and I love
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Jodie Whittaker time. I'm not being too critical, but
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like you look at the enormous guest cast of, I do practice
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itís. When you've got all those
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regulars, look at the enormous guest cast are all in the Tardis
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in The Awakening. When you've got, you know, all
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of those regulars as our choice. Yeah.
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And going back to this point, if you then gender flips, It's a
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couple of the veneer as well and cast slowly Benjamin.
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Well, you could still past Lisa Goddard as one of them and yep,
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and dominant God as well. You know, there is no reason why
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not. And yeah, you could make this a
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really interesting. It's JN T.
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It be like Mollie sugden or something like that.
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They are both really good. Yeah, their roles in something
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like this. I think she would actually go.
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Hey, this is something really interesting.
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You know, have her as a Iraq. You know, you don't want to put
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her in a fight, sir, but rather is Iraq and she's running the
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thing. Yeah, just the Bittersweet Taste
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of life. As ball be hilarious, the
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readings are off. And I was saying only the other
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day that you can't have these reading.
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It's all these young veneer coming over here and get on
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Photo excited and happy about this Rimmel.
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I mean really. Oh boy, what's going on here?
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Look at all this floodlight in. Well yes, this is this, this
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scene in Particular was harm highlighted by the actor and
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comedian Robert Webb in his autobiography.
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As one of the seminal moments of his teenage years, I'll bet it
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was. And also, by my best friend.
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Gareth who also has said that Nissa in this story, had a
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particularly profound effect on him as a teenage boy.
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I mean that's that is the usual 80s lighting that we get.
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There is yes that's lovely. Yes yes.
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You know, something they said stew will is use use the
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negative space like the Blackness behind the screens.
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Now, this was, this was something I had a problem with
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yesterday. It's like, they're like, we'll
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get the goddamn, he's really strong and it's like, they
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literally seen the gum for all of 10 seconds.
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How could I know? Yes.
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Yeah, he's demonstrating known strength.
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Is he picks up? He picks up Peter Benson.
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Who's Tai Chi? Oh yeah.
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The black Guardian was in this. Oh well it's a popped up on the
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screen. And for some reason he docks out
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turlough, he's like you haven't done the job yet.
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Go back and do the job. But also, I'm Gonna Knock you
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unconscious. Now it's like what?
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But yeah, it keeps him out of the action for a bit longer.
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Hmm. It's the other reason that scene
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with with necessary, no 90 in the in in the floodlit chamber
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is a bit. Disappointing is in the script
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she sits up and is there is kind of clinical and Guys.
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Okay, observation the lesions are gone, I feel blah, blah,
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blah. My temperature seems to be down
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to, which would foreshadow that she's thinking about, you know,
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how to do this treatment. And it was cut out in favor of
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just kind of looking around. And it's like, you know, in
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episode 1 she's doing things and halfway through episode 2.
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She stops doing things she's been pushed around for a week
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and a half. It's a shame to lose that and
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she said herself, she she thinks there's Is a brilliant idea at
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the heart of this story in the documentary.
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She says, she would love to see this made now because you
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imagine this with like the Mandalorian I'll check or
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something like that, you know? It would be spectacular.
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And you know the corporate the corporate commentary of this is
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not a million miles away from Something Like Oxygen.
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Mmm. Yeah, true in, you know, in the
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new series because you've got, you've got something here, which
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could save this guy's life, and it's under lock and key.
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Mmm. Do we ever find anything out
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about the company? Not really.
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No. And that was I think J&T asked
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for that to be paid back in in favor of the the plot basically,
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the plot about the characters as they are here.
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Now, let's not talk about the cut and I think you lose
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something with that. You lose a lot of
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world-building. Oh, this is hilarious.
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Where she she knocked over over then, climbs on top of him.
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I'll bet Robert. Wade, woke up like there's a
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child watching this. I just hate the way the gun
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moves. If I do think it's a weirdly.
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Like, it does have a bit of expression the face.
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Am I mad? Because the bit in a, when he
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pulls the lever and then looks really proud.
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I'm like, I can see the pride in his face, you know.
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Yeah it you know it's a bit it's a bit of bathos but also it's a
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bit of levity, this story. He I'm Ashley, I'm sorry, Janet
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just wandering around looking for Mark when when this are
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comes along and says goodbye suddenly, there's an injection
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of emotion and I don't think there's an emotional story, I
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father. Hmm.
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Yeah. And I think part of that is, you
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know, Nyssa and Tegan have the most emotive relationship of
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this crew. And they're separated for the
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entire story. Hmm, which is a great shame.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong but geographically isn't the bridge
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inside the restricted Zone but they're starting to walk away
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from the restricted Zone yet. You know, they're rushing at
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this point. I just walk in any direction.
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We've got to shoot this thing. I have to wonder if Dominic
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Garden is sort of sitting there going, okay?
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Do not show any do not show anything in my eyes at this
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moment. I've been cold because it can
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show or don't do a long shot so you can see my crotch.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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On numb, on the whole comparison to leprosy the way Nyssa.
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Describe secure here is more in line with Gallagher's, original
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idea where Terminus was sort of a space Shrine and nobody knew
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where it came from bun. People thought it could be
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engines cured cancer because this is basically had radiation
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therapy here. Yeah.
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It's it's kind. It's kind of an odd mishmash so,
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and it's almost like the leper comparison wasn't needed in the
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first episode, know what was happening to the people before
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this. Then other are they being
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treated or still being treated and been shipped back.
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But there's a yes very hits a Miss process.
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I'm guessing Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is as you know, it's
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hitting miss. It works for some people and not
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others because no one's actually observing what works and what
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doesn't It's just like will flood you with radiation if it
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works. You go home.
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If it doesn't, you know, you'll die here.
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Yeah. Child will not calm, Scott,
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filthy fingernails. I actually think those gloves
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look really good. Yeah, Klaus it is again.
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This is like a year so near to this working just turn the
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lights down completely just have him as a silhouette.
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But it's almost like it's not something I can't we designed
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this thing you're going to see it, you know.
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Mmm Yeah. If you look at like I think it's
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the the second story of sapphire and steel the railway station.
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There's some brilliant shadow effects in that which are really
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Sinister and they could have done something similar here, but
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I wonder if it's the hand of J and T similarly, with the
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Candyman and later on, it's like, no, no, no.
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We need a Monster. Yeah.
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That's entirely possible. Well, he's done it Mary with
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saved here. Yeah, you're right.
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There's some expressiveness to that mask.
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Despite the fact, it can barely, but it's just actually shoots
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it. So, are you saying marry rich?
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Mary Ridge also directs rescue is that right Sy?
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That's right. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because you know, there's a
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monster in that which despite not being originally made for
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the program, let's say is super effective because it's kept in
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its kept in Shadow. Mmm.
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You see a sea devil? It is.
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It is a sea devil. Yeah, here we go.
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Here's the moment. A lot worried looks really.
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Yeah. Oh, I didn't.
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Yes, dr. Ann Curry, like they do like
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pairing off the doctor with his slightly older women and they
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I'm thinking of naris, use or the liver birds that probably
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James. This is probably the weakest All
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right. Mmm, Yeah.
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And yes, yes. Like I was like slightly older
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compared to the Companions and it makes you wonder if perhaps
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Repairing Davis and off with say, a woman closer to his own
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age. Might have been better all
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along. But I wouldn't exactly have
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wanted to lose in this sorority girl.
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You know, I would have Brendan us who, what if there is, who
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chose to go in the Tardis. At the end of Kinder, I would
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have worked a tree. Oh my goodness.
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Wouldn't it just? It is funny how big finish of
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gone? Oh yeah.
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We want to have Narrows users to regular but we don't want to
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bring back. Todd laughing.
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Yeah. And look Margaret.
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Hopkins is brilliant and I think, you know, she's a really
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great character but it's like Davison's right there and we've
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all been saying over 40 years. Sweden is suddenly all that
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agency that she hasn't had in this story.
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She is got in Spades in this scene.
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I'm going to do this. Are you interested?
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Yeah. And you know, these people have
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been manhandling a manner calling her at exposing it to
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radiation. And her first reaction is to say
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that the, what if I can help you?
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Yeah. Yes.
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Very satisfying and spying into a kind of unsatisfying story.
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Yeah, and it is a through line with Nyssa that.
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There's not a vindictive bone in her body.
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You know, even in say, ARCA Arc of infinity when she's like,
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grabbing a weapon and holding it on the time Lords.
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It's for the purpose of saving the doctor and when they're
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later working together, there's no animosity.
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It's, you know, it's about getting the job done.
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Hmm. And say with the seraphin who
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sort of submitter to psychic attack, she's then like okay how
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do I help? So it's not at all, like, is
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completely in Carousel. This I just don't think this is
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where we want to leave our of this dreary.
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So Medical Way Station, in the middle of nowhere.
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What the middle of the universe? Yeah, true.
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True that as you know don't be sad.
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She has like 100 of her adventures with big finish old
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Anissa. Yes, yes.
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So they are still continuing, but there's sort of a run of I
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think it's 15 story actually yet though they're not making any
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more with old in this. That's right because they do
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this run of 15 stories with her coming back as old in this and
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it's actually a really good Arc and it's a good run for, isn't
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it? Hmm and yes Sarah.
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Something is a bit like Peter Davison in that the part is
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sometimes under written but she's always acting.
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She's always on. Yeah, and she and I think
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there's actor of the of the regulars at this point as well.
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Certainly, the most experienced of them all Other than Davison
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obviously. Yeah, I'd agree with you there.
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I think her only her only Achilles heel and it's quite
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understandable is when she has to scream but she doesn't
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believe that NASA would be screaming at this moment.
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And it's been a lot of that this story where is he knock of
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infinity. When she sees the oh God she
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lets out a brilliant script. Yeah.
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I better write one so that you would scream.
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Mmm. Yeah.
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Whereas here and it's take Dad's, it's very obviously I'm
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screaming because I've been told to scream.
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Bye. Let's just get it over with so
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much for your just this Yeah. And she's, she's very
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naturalistic and subtle, and he put that against Janet Fielding
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or Matthew Waterhouse who are not naturalistic or subtle
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certainly to begin with. And so, she gets a bit lost
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because the attention is not on her.
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Hmm. Yeah.
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And and, you know, this is a lovely moment where Iraq who I
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suppose is as close as this story gets to a Villain.
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Like the story, doesn't really have a villain in the way that
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worry is gated. But even here, he's not killed
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off. He's just It's implied.
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He's going to be persuaded to be more collaborative.
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Which is probably a baby that may be sure and things that's
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really quite a realistic Hindi but you're making here is a
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point there because you're right, there's no real villain
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there's not really sort of monsters and it's a bit of a
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dull aching so it's not really got any of those things.
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We usually hang a doctor who Story on.
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Yeah. And here Nyssa gets one last
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moment of being The Peacemaker between the ashes.
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She has, and I just noticed a little bit that she, I just
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noticed. Yeah, I just noticed a little
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bit there when when Lisa sees Tegan.
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She there's a look on her face of ol shit.
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Now, I have to tell her I'm leaving.
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Yeah. And I like that it sort of done
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in the background there and it's just physical acting and
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Tegan's, like not, not having it.
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Mmm, I'm going to speak to the doctor.
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He'll talk you out of it. Hmm.
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Well then answer me this question then, why if they can
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do these things I think this scene is very naturalistic and
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very emotional and I think turlough when he leaves it's
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exactly the same. Why doesn't this happen all the
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time in age? Who are they?
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Just not interested in these in these sort of relationships
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until these sort of big moments here?
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I think that's it. I think that's the thing that
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you get your big moment when you leave, or when you join and
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that's it. Otherwise, it's business, as
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usual. It's an action-adventure, we're
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not concerned with, with people's emotions in the way.
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Other shows are what this is Doctor Who this isn't what
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doctor who does. There's no.
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Tank in the Tardis is no touching.
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There's no none of this. I'm amazed they got away with
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the kiss to be honest. Yeah.
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Well Sarah Sutton and Peter Davison insisted on the case and
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it was Sara. Something's idea.
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And, you know, for from Sara something's point of view.
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It's like Nyssa has lost her father and her entire culture.
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The doctor has been her father figure, she's not just going to
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shake his hand like its Cricket match.
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Yeah, she there's going to be something there.
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Yeah, I agree with you Simon. I think the problem is the
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doctor production office has always gone, you know, kids can
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understand the science. And it's important that we don't
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talk down to them, which is commendable, but it seems like
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they kind of go. The kids will either be
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interested in the science, all they'll be interested in
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Emotion. You can't have both and the Shag
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your belly, it's not until yeah? Arguably.
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It's not until Andrew. Aunt Mel and I think also
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previously Barry Letts and Terrance dicks understood that
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no you have to have that emotional core as well because
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you know, Joe Grant has it and I think then Ace has it.
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But not so much in between, and of course, the new series gets
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it, but yeah, it's a great shame that no one seems to have gone.
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As you say Joe, it's like we could have this kind of thing
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every so often. Mmm, we can have the companions
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talking about how they feel. And yeah, it's something that
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Steven Gallagher does even that earlier same with turlough
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talking about, you know, whether he could kill someone.
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That's an emotional, Crocs Point Romano talking about she and the
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doctor going her separate ways before she even knows about the
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ferals, like she's just thinking about leaving and her saying
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that to adric and Advocates, panicked reaction again.
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Because this is his family. Yeah.
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And like, they can't do it because we just had one in more.
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An undead where we've got that little touching scene at the end
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where Tegan says, thank you, you were going to give up everything
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for us, and this is what it means to me, and it's
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understated, and it's beautiful. Yes, I think I think what it
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comes down to is when you treat the characters like a family,
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those scenes naturally occur. Yes.
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Because you know, you get those moments with like Heartland
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Carol Ann Ford or Hartnell and Maureen O'Brien.
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You get them with Jamie in Victoria and they're sort of
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slightly sibling thing and the whole unit family.
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Hmm, you know, you you get that and I think it's something
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something Nathan says, is when Doctor Who drops down to only
27:50
having one companion and not having any other recurring
27:53
characters, That's something you lose.
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You lose that emotional connection because you need it
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between the Companions and the doctor but you need it between
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companions as well. Yeah, yeah.
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And everyone he had a relationship with each other.
28:09
Not just the doctor Hmm. And so something I said about
28:14
the whydah Ciara is that, I think part of the reason Yaz is
28:17
underdeveloped for so long is Graham and Ryan have an inbuilt
28:21
family connection. As soon as they go and you bring
28:27
in Dan and so yes, his character becomes teaching Dan, what it
28:31
being a companion is her character really, really
28:35
blossoms. And, you know, I think that men
28:39
have guilt is a fantastic at the.
28:41
She's a bit like Sarah something actually she's a fantastic
28:44
naturalistic actor and when you give her stuff to do, you get
28:48
scenes like the last 10 minutes of terminus there.
28:52
The bit where Diane said to her in evil of the Daleks, you know,
28:56
you really like her, don't you? I sat up and I was like, what is
29:00
happening here? I'm not used to seeing what Yaz
29:03
with this much. Emotional resonance.
29:06
No, I was like, come on too little too late.
29:12
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly.
29:15
Well, boys Terminus and did while we were having out.
29:19
Fabulous should about Aris often and we are now going to have to
29:24
do the usual round. Robin of three things each?
29:29
Wow. Oh my goodness.
29:31
That we would recommend about Terminus to the, to the greater
29:35
public. I believe we should start with
29:39
Brendan then soy and then I'll go low.
29:41
Last will go one at a time. Three pieces.
29:44
Off you go. Right?
29:48
Three things. I recommend and Sarah Sutton's
29:50
performance. Glow sticks, glow sticks are
29:59
always fun. And and you know what, despite
30:06
the fact that they have no influence on the plot, the
30:07
character work between Tegan and turlough is really good.
30:11
Mmm. Okay, sigh.
30:14
Okay. I will choose Peter Benson as
30:16
bore, giving a fun performance in a story full of varied, our
30:21
performances. I am going to go for scenes that
30:28
are shot on film because they're far more atmospheric than the
30:32
scenes that That are set in the studio and for my final one, I'm
30:38
going to go for the early Tardis scenes, which I think are really
30:41
nicely done, and create a good dynamic between all the
30:45
characters and that actually quite exciting as well.
30:50
Because again let me remark have yeah I'm gonna say the entirety
30:56
of episode one which I think sort of stand-alone is yet very
31:01
special. I do love those scenes where
31:02
they're exploring the the leadership we effectively
31:06
directed great soundscape in that shoe.
31:10
Really interesting Sounds playing through.
31:13
I'm going to say the script which I think has a lot of
31:18
promise and sort of Big Ideas in it and like it.
31:23
Why he says he's got a very good script.
31:25
I think this is the few occasions in this sort of mid
31:27
80s where there's a good dramatic script does Sabotage by
31:33
a less dramatic production and my last thing is to little
31:38
insane, this is leaving soon. No not specifically no then this
31:44
is leaving. See which I think this is
31:46
something that 80s who gets really right.
31:50
It writes out his companions really, really well and in
31:53
different ways. I like Ramana getting her very
31:56
quick. She's already made a decision
31:58
and if we'd have had a long sort of Maudlin scene between her and
32:02
top, that would have just felt wrong.
32:03
I think that's beautifully done. I think Patrick's leaving see,
32:08
it's incredible. Uh-huh, this is very emotional.
32:11
Annal Tegan's is quick and to the point like Tegan Perry's is
32:18
Unforgettable. Mel's is under nicely written.
32:23
Very nicely done. Yeah.
32:24
As long as I know this is leaving, say it and it's just a
32:27
real strength of 82 that they do manage to see out their
32:31
companions in a really effective.
32:33
Why Look up, boys. We did it.
32:36
We did think I'm crazy. This has been quite a for an
32:43
entire four episodes. We did Brendan.
32:48
Yes. I, our next venture is going to
32:52
be to jump away from Doctor Who and talk about one of the most
32:58
fabulous TV shows ever to be graced of our squeeze.
33:02
We're doing hamster extra on. The Avengers.
33:07
Oh, magnificent, Al butter. Yeah, that's a perfect fit.
33:13
What on? Wait to see which ones you
33:14
choose? What have you chosen your five?
33:18
Yes, hold on. I think I think I got a list
33:22
here. I have a list of everything
33:23
else. I was, uh, I was just on my
33:26
phone there. Well, well, Joe was talking
33:28
about companion about it because I just wanted to check and yes,
33:30
John nathan-turner did work on invasion of time and Armageddon
33:35
Factor. So I wonder if his companion so
33:37
good because he saw what happens when you don't plan for now.
33:45
Let me see if I've got my list of Avengers, It will be
33:48
covering. I do believe that John
33:51
nathan-turner whispered into Philip Minds here Perry has to
33:55
Die. The we can just believe that God
34:00
you had a sense of occasion. Now, here we are for The
34:06
Avengers. Joe did agree to stretch the
34:09
format a little bit. So we're actually going six, but
34:12
that's because what it's like I'm doing signal as well.
34:18
We're going to have a hot snow which is the okay.
34:20
So the Avengers, but only the only the First Act exists.
34:23
Uh-huh. And then there's like a
34:25
five-minute reconstruction of the back of the episode.
34:29
We're also going to be doing mr. Teddy bear.
34:31
Yeah, which was the first episode, The Great British
34:35
public saw of Honor Blackman man with two Shadows which is one of
34:40
my personal favorites. The Cyber notes which is a
34:46
famous Diana Rigg episode. And popular reason which using
34:49
that is whenever there's any Revival of the Avengers Like
34:52
Comics or whatever, it's always the bloody cyber naught because
34:55
they were the only that were the only returning adversary.
35:02
Then we're doing the winged Avenger, mmm, which is a color
35:07
episode. And one of the Avengers, most
35:09
famous parodies and Vitara King. We're rounding it off with all
35:13
done with mirrors. Oh perfect, she's yes, why
35:18
Widely regarded as the best episode.
35:20
Hmm, yeah, so we can store online, commentary of, didn't we
35:24
all those years ago with Linda false indeed, Robert chidester.
35:29
Yes, yes, I actually have right here.
35:32
Sigh. Nobody lives it.
35:37
Right. Every time I use, don't worry,
35:39
I'm gonna break it. Yes, my no.
35:41
No, went to few years ago, the handle just just win.
35:45
Oh wow. Yeah.
35:48
But mine survive the trip back to Australia and near-daily you
35:52
call through. Yeah, I will be very sad when it
35:57
breaks. Uh-huh.
35:59
Well, I'll be very sad but I was commentaries are over.
36:01
That sounds really enticing. Hmm.
36:04
You know what? I think.
36:04
I've only seen one of those episodes, so I'll be watching
36:07
those. Pretty much knew who actually
36:10
got some treats ahead. I like how I and I cannot wait
36:13
to be in the hands of an expert as well, because I think it's
36:16
faceting show The Avengers. So to sort of um pick it with
36:20
you. It's going to be wonderful and
36:23
side where we heading next. Uh-oh, we've got half of The
36:27
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy to finish.
36:29
It's off, we do and we are next solo.
36:34
Hamster is going to be the Day of the Doctor.
36:39
Oh yes. Yes.
36:41
I've just thrown at you and our next Double axe.
36:44
Hamster is going to be the planet of the spiders.
36:48
Oh wow, nice. Well boys, I've got to go to bed
36:55
because it's almost 11:00 and I'm up in six hours.
36:58
So I'm going to round this This off by saying you're both
37:01
fucking gorgeous and thank you very much.
37:07
Thank you very much for letting me hijack.
37:08
This one Make sure the center of the universe.
37:16
Let's take it. A straight to the center of the
37:18
universe gentlemen. It has been a pleasure as
37:21
always, thank you.