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So Q So A · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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Oh, hi, it's Justin. It's Deprogram, the podcast
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where we try to get you into a band.
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That's right, We've done all the work for you.
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All you have to do is press play and listen.
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And normally that is indeed what we would do is try to turn you
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on to a band. My name is Justin.
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And somehow if you've stumbled upon this, it's a daily pod and
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today is actually Q&A. Welcome aboard.
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Please hit subscribe would greatly appreciate that wherever
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you're listening to this from. That is what we would normally
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do on a pod is we would try to turn you into a fan of whatever
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band we were talking about that that day.
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So so this week is Neutral Milk Hotel, but today is Friday.
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So that means the Neil Young episode just came out yesterday.
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So if you're interested in hearing our conversation about
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Neil Young, go back one episode and listen to that.
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So Fridays we decided are Q&A days.
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They're not always going to be heavy, but some of them will
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have have some questions, will have long answers.
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So this is for now going to be a lot of me talking into a
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microphone. I hope you're cool with that
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because I am. 1st a correction. I think this is really funny and
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goes to show you, you know, what do I remember about things
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sometimes? So John corrected me the Gin
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Blossom episode that we were talking about earlier this week
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on season 5. It was from year 5/20/20.
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We did stop because I, I didn't listen.
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I listened to the wrong version of one of the records.
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So we did stop for 30 minutes so I could listen to it.
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I, I remember that getting bandied about.
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I don't remember. But to be fair, since then,
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we've done a great job of making sure everybody is listening to
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the same things. And it's it's why I've been so
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insistent that we all have the same starting point, because if
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you're not listening to the same things, you're not going to come
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across the right answers. So I don't remember how I edited
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that, but I must have must have done some editing because, yeah.
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So that's a slight correction from earlier this week on
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Tuesday or Year 5 episode. Also, I, I wanted to take this
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time before we get into the questions to say thank you to
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everybody who's reached out and said they'd like to hear from
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years 6 to 10. I will do that.
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I'm going to take a brief respite from that part of the
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this so that year 10 can kind of get further along.
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And then we can, I mean, you know, because that's only what,
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another month worth of stuff 678 and nine?
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Yeah, that's, that's only four more episodes.
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So I'll wait and do that, you know, as we go, it has been fun
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looking back on on each year and trying to remember things that
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happened on each of these episodes.
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And and you know, a lot of times it's very vivid.
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And other times there's things there like Gin Blossoms where I
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know something happened, but I'm not exactly sure what.
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All right, so in the Discord Andrew asks you've mentioned how
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much you enjoyed getting into Failure after that band episode.
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I know we only covered the first half of their discography on the
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episode due to Spotify availability ability.
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With a new album coming out very soon, I was wondering if you've
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had a chance to get into the back half of the discography,
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the back half of their discography after the
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Reformation and if so, what have you liked the most from it?
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Sadly, no, I have not had a had a chance to listen to, I think
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it was three other records since they got back together that have
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have not gone back on to Spotify.
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I know there's like 8,000,000 reasons not to be on Spotify,
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but that's not what we're here to talk about.
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The I'm just, I just need to make space for it.
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And now that I'm doing this the daily and we're getting so far
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ahead on the Dale, you know, on the the regular feed episodes, I
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think I might be creating space to find time to listen to things
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like that. So here's hoping, fingers
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crossed. But yeah, man, I absolutely
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adore failure. And I even more recently, I
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turned my bass player into a failure fan because I sent him
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frogs, you know, a couple months ago, just cause the bass, it
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goes hard on that. And he was like, whoa.
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And then I was like, I'm surprised a couple practices ago
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I was like, I'm surprised you didn't get into failure.
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They seem kind of right up your alley like this, this mix of hum
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and local H And he was like, no, I liked it like the one, I guess
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the one song I sent him. And then a couple days later he
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goes Failure rules and he sent me Princess.
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And so I think he may be, I may have put him on to failure.
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All this to say, eventually I will make space to go listen to
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those other records. I have heard the new song
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because that did hit Spotify and I got auto fed it and I was
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like, what's what's going on here?
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Oh, it's failure. So I was aware that Failure does
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have a new record coming out. And I guess really, I mean, is
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that something we could do here? Could we do listening, listening
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parties? I think technically we could
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talk about the records. We could probably do a listening
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party on the Discord. I don't know if if that's
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something you're interested in. Let me know if you are somebody
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who is a regular listener and just come across this or if
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you're, if you are a new person to the pod and just coming
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across this and would be into that idea of listening parties.
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I, I think we can figure out a way to make that work.
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I don't know. Question mark, there we go.
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So Chris Lewowski I, I asked on Instagram if anybody had any
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pressing Matt or deprogram questions and he wanted to do a
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bit and I told him, if you think I'm not going to answer this,
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you're crazy. His question, the fuck is your
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problem? Where to begin?
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The fact that there's clearly something wrong with me to want
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to continue doing this program the way that I do it.
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There's clearly, I mean, the core of why I want to do it is
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it gives me an excuse to dive into all these bands and you
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know, it gives me guides to get into the these bands instead of
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just kind of Willy nilly like bands, you know, like the motels
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that I never would have found failure.
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I probably never would have found failure without this show.
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I would have never had the excuse to finally dive in on
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hum. I mean, at this point, that was
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a couple years ago, but I, I adore hum Jimmy World, Paramore,
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like the list goes on and on. But it's a way for me to, to
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find new music, or at least new music to me.
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And it's a way to kind of get a, a lens in on what my friends are
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into. But why, why do I want to do
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that? I don't know, man.
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It feels like I've, I've talked to Gavin a lot about this
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recently and it's kind of come up on some after the facts and
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stuff. Like it feels like right now it,
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it may not be important in like the world sense of the world may
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not need deprogrammed, but the deprogrammed world needs
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deprogrammed. Like we need to be conversing.
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We need the community that it that that this brings.
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And it has brought a lot of conversations together outside
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of just the pod and outside of just even these dailies.
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It's brought conversation into the Discord and you know, these
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messages, message group chats where we're planning to do an
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episode and everybody's kind of talking about whatever other
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music and stuff. So it's brought people together
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and I feel like we sorely need that.
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So what the fuck is my problem? I don't know.
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I'm sick, I guess, and I'm hoping I'm I'm hopeful.
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That's what's that's what my problem is.
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I'm hopeful. I think that's a a good way to
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wrap up that question. Gavin asked this and and said it
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was maybe an after the fact conversation, but I can answer
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it here, even though it because it's not it isn't deprogrammed
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related, but I'll I can answer it here.
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So he wants to know, do I have any pumpkins on vinyl?
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Am I getting the big vinyl box sets?
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Are you passing on some some of them?
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Are you waiting to find a used copy?
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What are your thoughts on the pumpkins vinyl situation?
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And also did you get the greatest hits?
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They just officially released on vinyl for the first time?
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And what do I think about the song selection?
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I'd have to look and make sure because if it's rotten Apples
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Judas O that went out on disc, which I think it is.
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I always liked that song selection because some of the
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singles weren't hits like Muzzle.
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Like some of the songs that I would have included like Muzzle
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wouldn't be counted as hits and so I can understand why they
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wouldn't be included. But it's got Stand inside Your
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love Eva door Perfect 0 rhinoceros, I think from Gish
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you, you know, at the time when it came out, I was like, well,
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what? You know, where's this song?
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Where's this song? Where's this song?
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And I mean it, upon reflection, it is a greatest hits record.
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And so it's going to have the hits tonight, tonight, so on, so
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forth. Below it by the five wings.
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Those are those are all the ones you'd expect there.
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And so they're all there. Everlasting gaze.
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If it includes Judas O, then it's got some bangers that that
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were from Machina 2, like Lucky 13, and some, I think some stuff
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that are technically like extra cuts from a door, like stuff
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that just hit the floor from a door.
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And that one is really cool. I like that that one a lot.
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A really weird cover of Soul Power by James Brown.
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Wouldn't expect that from the Pumpkins.
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They don't typically record a lot of their covers.
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There's there's the few that are on the airplane flies high box
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set. I don't know that they've
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recorded landslide, of course, which I believe landslide is on
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the greatest hits if I recall correctly.
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To answer your other question, so I have, I have Gish, I have
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Siamese dream. I have melancholy, infinite
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sadness, adore. I just got Machina, which just
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came out. I did not get the Machina box
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set, which I wanted to do for that includes like everything,
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but it was just a little too pricey.
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A little a little out of my range.
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I might, I might cop it on disk if it gets printed to disk, but
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it's it's awesome to hear these songs on vinyl when hearing
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Machina the way it's supposed to be is like what I was really
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hoping for. I just, I just couldn't spring
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for it. I do have Seer as well and I
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think that's it. So most of the first run, the
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entirety of the first run minus Pisces and yeah, I'm mostly
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trying to trying to score them used, but they just don't come
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through and I think Zeitgeist may not have even gotten pressed
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the vinyl. So I don't imagine I'm going to
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be catching a break on any of those.
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So. Oh, I have a gory Monte made,
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duh. The the newest release.
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I I bought that directly from them.
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Yeah, I want all of them, but it's at this point like the the
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few that I don't have is just going to be, you know,
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opportunities going to just have to present itself.
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It's going to have to be right price and I would do anything.
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It would be awesome to come across like a used version of
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Siamese Dream because I've got a one of the represses, a more
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recent repress, and it sounds great, don't get me wrong, but I
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imagine original pressing sounds better.
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Anyway, I didn't want to get too in the weeds here on the
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pumpkins, but I did get a pumpkins related question.
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I think technically it's not a deprogrammed related question,
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so maybe I should have kept that one.
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Whatever man. I wanted to answer it.
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So Joe told me earlier this week not to read his question until I
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was about to go on. So I'm waiting till now to open
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up the text message. If you're listening to this,
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Joe, then you know I'm literally reading it as like as I'm about
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to say it live. Take top five best concert shows
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you've been to. All right, so I've seen the
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Pumpkins 3 * 2007, 2010, 2023. Of those three, because I don't
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want to take more than one of the pumpkins, I'm going to go
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with the most recent in 2023, even though the magic I felt
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when I finally got to see them in 2007 cannot be duplicated
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like it cannot. That can't be beat.
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But going in 2023 with Brian and us turning towards each other
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and singing Jelly Belly together and just I got to see
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Everlasting Gaze, I got to see Dooms.
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They could like I've I've talked about this ad nauseam, seeing
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some of the songs that I didn't think I'd ever get to see them
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play live. And I never thought that James
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was going to come back into the band.
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So and then in 2010 when I saw them, Jamie wasn't even in the
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band. So it was it's, you know, three
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of the four original members of the band that I got to see.
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They sounded great. Kiki Wongo.
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No, I'm sorry. Was Kiki in the band yet?
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Yeah, 2023. I think it's may have still been
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Jeff. I'd have to look that up.
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But the the band sounded great. And Katie Cole, an excellent
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addition to the live show. So when I saw them in 2007
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again, some of those, some of the songs that they played it,
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it was like typical Billy fashion at that time.
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Art for art's sake is what what he called it.
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And they're they did a couple like Ava door numbers and I, I
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just loved it. It was a great show, but I was
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it was at a festival and there were so many other things that
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kind of took away from the experience.
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Namely the Pumpkins were the reason I was at that festival
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because I hadn't seen them yet. My favorite band and I had
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people trying to drag me away from that concert.
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They were like third song in, hey, let's beat the traffic or
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whatever you want to go. I'm like, are you kidding?
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This is the whole reason I'm here.
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So that kind of took away from that 2007.
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So like I said, I'm going to go with 2023 because of the vibes
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and because of because being there with Brian was just
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awesome #2 I think I'm going to go with Blink 182.
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That time we saw them Joe in DC. So this would have been what,
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20? Probably 23 as well.
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May have been 24. So we saw them like 3 times in
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two years. So one was Raleigh, one was
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Charlotte, one was DC. But the DC time nothing will as
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even though I think the show was better in Charlotte, they
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sounded a little bit better. I think they were a little
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tighter in Charlotte. Again, extenuating
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circumstances. Like the people in Charlotte
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kind of stunk around us, like they were not cool.
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But same situation where we're watching Blink 182.
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We didn't think we'd ever get Mark and Tom back together
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again, let alone on stage again, let alone working on new music
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again. I mean, at this point, One More
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Time wasn't quite out, I don't think because they were
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basically it was just the reunion tour.
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I think my timeline might be jacked.
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They I think edging might have been out, but the they were
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still working on the rest of the record.
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And I mean, we talked about this on on the punk pod.
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We talked about this on after the fact, I'm sure several
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times. But I cried, I cried happy
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tears. Being in this place with one of
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my best friends, seeing one of my favorite bands in a lineup
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that I didn't think I'd ever get to see again sing songs that I
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didn't ever think I was going to get to see live.
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And just being in that experience was just too much in
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all the good ways. It was just great.
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And I was so happy to be there. And it really is.
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And, you know, added bonus, I got turned on the turnstile that
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day and we got to see them again in Charlotte.
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And I've since become quite a big fan of turnstile.
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They rule. So like, it had all these these
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like extra things that really kind of push it over the top
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again. The band sounded great, yes, but
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it was all the other stuff that that really kind of ramped that
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one up for me. And I'd seen them. 2 two other
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times before those runner shows and I was left let down in 2005.
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They're better in 2009 but I was left let down in 2005 which I
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think I'll come back to this because 2005 might come back up.
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So #3 would be the time I saw Local H at the Peppermint Beach
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Club in 2005. I've talked about this a lot.
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It would have been right around the corner for my birthday.
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I remember it vividly. I mean, again, Local H, second
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favorite band like I, I've long since That said that anybody who
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knows me knows that I was getting to see them for the
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first time. They were touring.
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It was the Alive of Five tour, so they were touring.
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Whatever happened to PJ Souls? But they weren't when I when
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when you come in the door, Scott Lucas from the band is just
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handing out a setlist requests like, what do you want us to
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play tonight? Which at the time I hadn't seen
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before. I was like, what?
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What is this? I get to help the two decide the
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set. That's cool.
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I'm sure band plenty of bands have done it before.
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I'm sure plenty of bands have done it since, but it was a new
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concept to me. I was seeing them in what
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amounted to a dive bar. My my second favorite band in a
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dive bar. And the lead singer guitar
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player is is telling me, hey, you can help pick the set.
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And then I went to buy T-shirts from Scott because he was
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manning the merch table. And I mean, it just, it was just
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a cool experience. And then Riddle of Steel opened
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up for them and they rolled and unfortunately they're, they're
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long gone at this point. But Riddle of Steel rolled and
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all of this, like I mentioned, it was around my birthday
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because the, there was a hurricane coming through.
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So they they had a show in the middle of a, of a hurricane and
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it was all of this made to like just a super memorable night for
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me. I love that show.
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I also got turned on to Amstelight that night because
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Scott was drinking it. Yes, there was a time where I
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was that guy and if if I saw my dude drinking something, I'd be
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like, yeah, I'll drink that too. So I got to Amstelight that
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night and I had a run of being like way into Amstelight.
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So that's number three. Number four, The Aquabats.
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I think I'm going to go with the first time just because I didn't
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know quite no, you know what strike that I'm going with The
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second time, which was just last year, The Aquabats because
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Padfoot opened for them and I brought my youngest with me and
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Padfoot is one of her favorite bands.
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And so she was fired up to see Padfoot.
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She wasn't all that excited about The Aquabats.
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And then The Aquabats started and her face lit up.
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She was so geeked up about The Aquabats.
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I, I knew what to expect. I knew that it was going to be
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awesome, but to be able to share that with my kid really kind of
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takes it to that, to that next level.
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Again, I I think technically the first show may have been more
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like, it may have blown my mind a little bit more, but having
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that experience with my kid definitely bumps up that second
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time I saw them. So that takes us up to #4 #5
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like #5 is Weird Al. Yeah, I'm not going back to 2005
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#5 is Weird Al for sure. And I can't remember what year
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it was, but it probably would have been like 1617.
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Somewhere around there it came to Newport News and it just if
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and when you look at these lists, the only things ahead of
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them, ahead of Al is 2/3 of my favorite bands.
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Sorry Al, as awesome as you are, as much as I love you, you're
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not topping Pumpkins. Local aged blank, sorry.
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And honestly, if I didn't have that experience with my kid, you
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could probably swap Aquabats and Weird Al.
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But Al puts on just a show. It is all the songs you want to
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see. You know, I, I could do without
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the Star Wars one, but whatever, man, it, most people like it.
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I just because I don't doesn't mean anybody else needs to be
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off board. But everything else about that
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is, is such an experience. It's it's, he's an absolute
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showman and there's changes, there's costume changes rather
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there is video of video aspect, There is costume changes that
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coincide with the video aspect. He comes out into the crowd
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again. He it's all the songs that you'd
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probably expect to see and they're all great.
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It just, and I mean, aside from that, like that's one of the few
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shows where I feel like I'd be willing to kick up to that VIP
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thing where I get to meet him because he seems like just an
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awesome dude to just have a few minutes with.
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So, you know, I'm putting a little bit on him there.
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But it doesn't change the fact that, yeah, you could swap
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Aquabats and Weird Al, but Weird Al is for sure in my top five
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without a shadow of a doubt. And at a time, I could argue
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that that out might have been number one at one point before
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the recent blink and pumpkins runs.
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So I, I, I think maybe you can change the order of these
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possibly, you know, as I get further away from them, you
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know, and I'm, I'm able to recalibrate and whatever else
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comes in, but I don't think those are changing.
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I'll give you 2 extras that were kind of on the outs.
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I saw ice. Why Flaming Lips?
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Duh. I saw Flaming Lips.
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Their show is great and I wouldn't have hesitated to add
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them into this before I saw Aquabats.
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Aquabats really kind of took their place.
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And then Green Day in 2005, Blue Blink out of the water, they
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were touring together and Green Day was just unreal.
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And again, I'm not sure if that is just dissatisfaction with
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Blink that night and in hindsight, Green Day just looks
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really great or if Green Day really was just that good.
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Who who knows? So anyway, that does it.
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Today's Friday. So we will see you all on
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Monday. Goodbye.