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BJ Dichter | Will Bitcoin Liberate Canada? | Simply Bitcoin IRL · Simply Bitcoin

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Yo welcome to another episode of Simply Bitcoin IRL.
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Today's going to be very special show.
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I have a buddy of mine and a freedom fighter.
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It was part of the Canadian. Trucker Convoy protest guys
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already, solidified his cell himself in Legends.
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He's been on Tucker. He's been on huge podcast.
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I think I saw a video of you on Candace as well and I'm very
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lucky to have Them here. Today we're going to talk about
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Bitcoin. We're going to talk about future
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of Canada how Bitcoin plays into this.
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I actually wanted to preface this conversation.
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I saw this in the chat before we even started and the Bitcoin
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rebbe I'm sorry. If I didn't pronounce that
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correctly, they need it ready. He said, I think you talk about
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politics too much, it's not relevant anymore.
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I I fundamentally disagree with you.
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I think that Bitcoin is about the separation of money and
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state and the state is going to fight back.
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And if you are not aware or you're not in tune with what
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they're doing, then all of a sudden you're going to be
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completely caught off guard, and you're probably going to want to
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move to El Salvador. So I think that a lot of us want
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to stand and fight of course peacefully.
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And, you know, legally and color within the all the lines and
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stuff. And at least I'm trying to do
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that in the United States and I know that BJ is has a major role
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doing this in Canada. So welcome, BJ, happy to have.
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You think I think we've had you on the regular simply Bitcoin
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show but never on the IRL show know, I listen, I'm an OG simply
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Bitcoin. ER dude I was here before you
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did the IRL show. So it's good to see you brother.
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Good to see you too man. So A lot has happened, man since
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the the original protest. You tell us a little bit about
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what's going on in Canada. What has been?
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The backlash has things changed. And of course, I think I know
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the answer to this question. Have they doubled down?
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Or they started to consume to concede some things?
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Well, let's start with the general tenor, and the mood and
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the shift in Canada, the fact that the normies are starting
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slowly to wake up. Finally so much.
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So that there's this wonderful book that was written by another
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Canadian. A children's book that I
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recommend for Christmas how the Prime Minister stole freedom and
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is kind of like a dr. Seuss, sort of book.
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So that's kind of, that's the tenor of what's going on.
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So not only are people who normally would not be aware of
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what's going on, because we've seen this woke nonsense going on
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four years. Now, the average Canadian who's
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not politically engaged so much now realizes there's Something
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wrong. So what did the let's go back
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first to what to do Freedom Convoy accomplish?
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Well, we got all the provincial or state, but all the provincial
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mandates were dropped during the Convoy.
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Everybody dropped everything and ran for the hills, of course,
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they said, oh no new data shows in two weeks, not hashtag.
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Nothing to do with truckers but you know, like, like dominoes,
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they all collapsed. And the only thing that only
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government that held on Was the Federal Government held onto the
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original mandates and the the data tracking app and they just
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dropped it. A couple of a couple of weeks
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ago. So they finally did what we were
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trying to get accomplished during the protest and I would
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say that's a hashtag nothing to do with Trucker's win.
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So that's one thing. So now what's happening is we
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have a commission that is investigating what the
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government did and is very important people seem to lose
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Say to that, in our lawn, British common law in American
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law as well. There is the presumption of
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innocence. But on the other side of that
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trade, people always forget this one.
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There's the presumption of guilt and the presumption of guilt
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always lies with the government. That's why we have commissions
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and investigations and Rules of Engagement for police officers
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and the military and all that sort of stuff.
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So now we've come to a point where there are.
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There's a commission that it's being presided over right now.
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There are 65 witnesses to be called, including prime minister
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blackface, diversity Trudeau. And the the premier Doug Ford,
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if you remember his brother, Rob Ford who was famous for his
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crap. Crack crack piping debacle.
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He is also being called and he's fighting in court that he
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doesn't want to testify all the police, many of the police
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superintendents, and Chief and Deputy Chiefs And the mayor
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they've all been testifying. They've all been throwing each
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other under the bus and the police chief yesterday, a double
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down on postmodernist. Subjectivist worldviews that he
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claimed there was massive violence in Ottawa during the
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protest and when it was pointed out to them, that there were
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only five incidences of violence in the entire city for two
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months. He said, well, that's criminal
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code violence. I was talking about How people
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were feeling that they were feeling as though they were
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being tormented violently. And that, that is a that is a
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form of violence and verbal harassment, or verbal violence,
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or the honking as a form of violence.
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So we've gone full postmodern in Canada and that's it came into
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this commission and failed miserably and I will be
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testifying in one of the nine people that are not working for
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the government. Everybody else works for the
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government. I'm one of the people who's not
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working for the government, tied to the Convoy that will be
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testifying in the beginning of November the day after I get
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together with the Bitcoin group in Ottawa and we have some beers
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and some drinks and hang out and we'll talk about my book and
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Bitcoin and everything that went on in their City.
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Sorry someone, the chats getting a little crazy.
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Oh so yeah, it's interesting comments.
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Okay, let me go ahead. No, just interesting.
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Anyways, so back to back to what you're saying.
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Look, I think the battle here. BJ is.
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Between individualism and collectivism and I think that
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we've seen a huge rise in this collectivist disease.
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It's responsible Collective and specifically, for some of the,
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no, not some of them, the vast majority of genocides of the
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last century, but I think that as individuals, we've never been
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able to Protect ourselves efficiency, efficiently and
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effectively, because they've always been able to co-op the
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money through the mob through, you know, their favorite
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keyword, which is, you know, democracy democracy, democracy
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democracy. I'm not a big fan of money and
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democracy. I don't think they, I think
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money should be neutral a political, but I think that
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what's happening in Canada, is something that we've seen play
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out. It's happened so many times.
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It happened in my country originally where I'm from And
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it's always the same trappings and it always goes down the same
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direction and it's it's an absolute tragedy.
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But what I see in Canada specifically when Pierre I can I
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can't pronounce his last name a pulley up.
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There we go. When he won the again.
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I'm not accustomed to Canadian politics but he won the Premier.
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Right of the conservative party, the leader of the conservative
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party and his comments. On Central Banking, printing
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money, and his comments on bitcoin, actually gave me hope.
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And I think the last time you came on the show, I was not
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feeling good about Canada because I was having flashbacks
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of what happened to Venezuela and I was like you I said Canada
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is heading in that direction, there's not stopping me, there's
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not stopping it and now you have this populist politician Pierre
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and he's saying all the right things.
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Does he actually believe those things?
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That's question. Number one in question number
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two is, what did you think about Justin's comments responding to
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people investing in Bitcoin helping themselves from
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inflation? And he's rephrasing it in a way
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where it's like, that's bad that's bad for you.
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So what are your thoughts on all that?
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Well, let's start with prime minister blackface diversity.
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He did a couple of radio shows discussing And because I was
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asked specifically about that and it was very funny to see
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that he even weighed in on bitcoin was was absolutely
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hysterical. But this is also a politician
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who said the budget will balance itself.
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He actually said that in an interview that was his budgetary
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policy. And he also was asked about
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fiscal policy in the past, I don't for months and he said I
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Don't spend any time thinking about fiscal, or monetary
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policy. So, all of a sudden he's
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starting to think about it. I mean, listen, he's an airhead
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in a mosque, a mascot, they just roll him out a much like they
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rolled out, you know, dementia. Joe because they, they're not
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actually engaged or not to decision makers.
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We're living in an era of unprecedented, where our leaders
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are our mascots and the bureaucracy behind them is
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what's running is what's running things.
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That's the first thing, okay, back to Pierre because I get
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asked this a lot. I've met him a couple of times
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he's amazing at giving political speeches or just inspiring
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speeches. He's, he's very gifted in that,
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but I'm starting to warn people in Bitcoin because I know that
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party inside and out and I know how they operate if he is.
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Not saying Bitcoin regularly that he's not going to do
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anything. So it's on us in the Bitcoin
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community. Canada to put additional
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pressure on him for him to talk about it because you know what
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they do because I've been involved in some of this stuff
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before. The tactic is to tell people if
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we don't want to discuss an issue just say we'll deal with
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it after we get elected and that's code for we're not going
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to touch it because well after they get elected then they say
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oh well wasn't part of our campaign promise.
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So we didn't make any promises and we can't be held to account
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for that. And I've noticed During the
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leadership race or are equivalent of a primary when he
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became leader of the conservative party because we
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both know some of the people that were helping behind the
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scenes, you may not know. But, you know, we know some of
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these people and we're getting them up to speed and he's an
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economics guy. So he gets it.
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He understands it. But it's never the leader.
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That's a problems different than in the u.s. system.
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It's the party around him is the problem.
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So yes, he was very open and vocal and took a risk on bitcoin
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and At the leadership I haven't heard him say Bitcoin one time
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since he became leader of the conservative prom party and
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that's a problem because people we know that are new to this
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party that know nothing about this party.
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Don't understand if he's not saying it regularly, if you
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don't CPR polyakov's, Twitter accounts put out hashtag
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Bitcoin, he's not going to do anything.
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And the conservatives get really upset when I say this but I
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don't really care. I care about honesty and I care
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about Bitcoin and we all need to know now is the time to put
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pressure on him to start being more vocal about it.
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Yeah. And and I think that's a really
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good point and I think that you're starting to see something
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very similar in the United States.
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You're starting to see candidates kind of co-opted or
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use the the, you know, the Bitcoin brand, you know, crypto
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brand to get a lot of dough and crypto is Ivan.
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You're talking about. That's what I'm saying though,
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but they're co-opting it and they're using it.
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You, you know, get Garner votes because they know that
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specifically, the younger generation huge percentage of
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them are all are holding the the these things, right?
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But I think you said something earlier that I wanted to talk
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that I wanted to touch on, right?
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And it's this idea of this unelected bureaucracy.
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Some people called The Deep State.
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Some, I called the Deep of the administrative State, because
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it's right up in your face, don't even hide it anymore.
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And it's this idea where it's not an idea where it's this
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system, where there's this tunnel elected.
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Accuracy with who whatever party wins, it does not matter, it
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stays there, and it's there for life.
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And I think that Fiat specifically, the government's
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ability to have this Monopoly. On the creation of money, has
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completely funded this beast and it just keeps on getting bigger
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and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
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And now what I believe what this is, this fourth turning is all
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about, is it starting to consume itself?
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It's reached such a size that it started.
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To work against the interest of the people that it's supposed to
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govern. Do you think that an end to tie
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this in with what you were saying about Pierre?
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Do you think that he will actually effectuate change?
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Because the only way that I think we end this thing where
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like there's an actual change that happens is the ending of
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Central Banking all together. The taking away the ability of
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the administrative State or the bureaucracy, or whatever you
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want to call it, to pay Itself by printing money, there for
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redistributing wealth from the have-nots in the middle class,
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stealing from them through currency debasement.
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And giving it to themselves. And sometimes they use it to
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fund Wars. Sometimes they use it to fund
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social programs. You might not agree with or my
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favorite, sometimes they use it to buy votes, right?
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So, where's your head on that? Because I know that you're very
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involved in the political process.
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Well, the first thing is with the Ottawa protest, one of the
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reasons they reacted. So negatively is because those
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are the people who live in Ottawa.
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That's the capital city, they all work for the Right?
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So they're living off of this, this Fiat system, and I guess
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it's no coincidence that when they sit, they saw Bitcoin and
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caribou and everything that we were doing that.
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That was some, some red flags for them.
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In terms of this whole, the bureaucracy that runs itself and
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the Deep steep State, you don't know how correct you are.
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And I'm going to give you one very specific example of that.
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So, last the last time they conserves were in power, we had
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a minister of him. Raishin who I've met and I meant
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a number of times, he was Friends of the friend of mine
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and if you remember during the Syrian War, there was that
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picture all over of that kid? That kid who, who died and his
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body on the beach. And there were, he was the
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immigration minister at the time.
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They were, he was being blamed because the family was supposed
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to come to Canada. Whatever the case, okay, fine.
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So I remember having a conversation with him and then
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saying I don't understand something you have sir.
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In Immigration policies that you want, why don't you ever do what
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you promised to do in your campaign?
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And he looked at me said, you don't think I tried you don't
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think I tried every day. Sending a letter to the heads of
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the ministry that I was in charge of telling them.
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This is the policy or to enforce enforce it.
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Now he soon, they did, he just ignore me.
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They're just buying time until The next election and they'll
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get the Liberals in power and just continue proceeding with
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the same policy that I'm trying to block them from doing.
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So you are very, very correct. And I think I'm hoping with this
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commission that's going on in Canada than people are seeing
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the bureaucracy eating itself that they're all throwing each
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other under the bus because they all of the police agencies and
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the city and the federal government, they had one policy
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that can be summed up in one phrase, they're all being
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dishonest. Because they're not telling the
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truth which is this one phrase, not my problem.
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That's what they were all doing. Not my problem.
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That's why nobody was talking to us because not my problem.
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That's the police know that's the city.
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No it's the federal government. No send it to the PLT know, the
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PLT from the RCMP, they do nothing.
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They suck on the rest of us, who contribute and Pat themselves on
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the back as the quote unquote, the elite class.
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And I think what we're seeing is the government in the case of
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Canada, Could be cut easily by 80%.
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And you know, I grew up with somebody who worked in the
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government and I have some friends in the governor.
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I hear all these stories about how it just operates itself and
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it's a Scourge on the rest of society, know, and I agree.
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It's this this in and I really and I actually do blame the
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money printer. I blame Fiat because it's like,
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it's the natural tendency of bureaucracies just to get bigger
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and to have And more power, but where I think, the, the
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inevitable Clash is going to happen and I actually had Troy
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cross from the Bitcoin policy Institute yesterday, and we were
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talking about this is that the people that are in charge of
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regulating this thing or, you know, they want to, you know,
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The Regulators, the politicians that are running on this
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actually have the most to lose if this thing succeed.
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So, really the only ones that will effectuate change are the
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ones who actually have The integrity and the principles to
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actually adhere to the promises that they made on the campaign
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Trail and that's what made me so hopeful about Pierre.
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But now I'm kind of bummed out a little bit that we I'm not
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Canadian but it seems like, you know, he said all the Talking
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Points, he said all the right things he got, you know, he
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became the leader of the conservative party in Canada,
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and now it's like, all right guys, thank you so much.
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You know, it's like its history repeating itself, is it?
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It is the system. So beyond repair that it's just
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time to you know what you guys do that.
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I'm gonna opt out. I'm going to go into Bitcoin,
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maybe move to El Salvador. What are your thoughts?
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I don't know that. It's so it's such Dire Straits
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just yet, I mean right now. Canada has who go Travis and
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power? And he's got to go.
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So, even if the conservatives are not quite as good as we,
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Wanted to them. And, you know, they, we always
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joke that the conservatives do what the progressives do at the
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speed limit. But at least if we can slow
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things down, that's the first step in terms of Pierre's stands
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on bitcoin. I mean, has gone on the record
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during his leadership race and he hasn't gone back on his word,
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he hasn't gone back and said, well, you know, maybe we
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shouldn't adopt Bitcoins hasn't done that.
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So at least, that's, that's a positive.
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But politicians in this one politicians.
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They really get upset me, they only understand pressure.
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They only respond to pressure the minute.
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You're nice to them and you're asking them for a favor, then
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they can relax and go on to the next as they call it
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stakeholder. That's giving them actual
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pressure and the way it works in Canada and the US as well.
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I mean it's a little bit different here in terms of the
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operational structure within the lobby of firms.
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But you get a Lobby. You hire them and I already had
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done some reaching out to a couple of firms about lobbying
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for Bitcoin out. He got a price estimate, what?
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It's going to cause it's going to cost between 20 and 40
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thousand dollars a month for a Lobby firm to get on the Bitcoin
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train, they were interested. They are actually interested in
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the Bitcoin file and start lobbying politicians on the the
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district as we call it or the riding level as well as the
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backbenchers and the leadership in the party.
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T to Lobby Bitcoin. That's how it operates,
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unfortunately, you know what the plebs like you.
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And I and the voters want that is secondary.
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The primary is the lobby structure.
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And right now, Bitcoin is not participating in terms of the
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lobby structure. At least that I know of Beyond,
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you know, advising and giving advice and knowing, you know,
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the leadership and there's and a few MPS but it's the money from
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lobbyists that really make the difference and that's what the
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Bitcoin. Unity needs to do it.
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Needs to build a Lobby firm that understands how this process
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works. And somebody who knows about
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this for example is Jane Addams who you know, Jane is still a
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hardcore Bitcoin ER and she didn't get her equivalent to the
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nomination but she's involved in policy.
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She knows how this structure works more and more people like
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that, who are political nerds like her.
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I'm not. But she is more more people like
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her need to get around a lot, the lobby.
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Efforts to get Bitcoin, not only on the radar, but an integral
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part of policy conversations. Yes, and II fundamentally agree
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with that. And that's a slow realization
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that I've come to over really the last two years and it's
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interesting because you kind of see that with not crypto
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podcasts actually going podcast but specifically Bitcoin caught
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podcast what tends to happen is that they start as technology
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podcasts and then they slowly evolved into this macroeconomic
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type of situation and then you You're starting to realize why
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does that happen? Why why does that natural
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tendency happen? Well, because you're competing
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for all the marbles, right? This is about money and power at
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the end of the day, if we're right about Bitcoin, Bitcoin
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becomes the global Reserve currency, you are threatening
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the main source of power. Of these unelected gonna be
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these of these unelected bureaucracies, they use that
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money printer, they use that wealth redistribution mechanism
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in order to fund themselves. And I completely, fundamentally
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agree with you that there needs to be a Grassroots movement, not
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only in Canada in the United States, right?
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For people to rise up and make a lot of these.
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A lot of these bureaucrats asked answer, very Questions, why am I
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being forced to use a money does designed to lose value and why
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is the US Treasury getting to dictate?
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Who am I allowed to transact with?
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And who I am not allowed to transact with?
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They're not elected their appointed, what's going on
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there. If these questions, don't reach
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the mainstream Consciousness, people like Trudeau and people
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would. And those bureaucracies are
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going to continue doing what they what they what they've
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always Done there. There there is no change here
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unless it's pushed forward. And the only reason I'll
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Salvador went down that route was because they're not in
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charge of their own monetary policy because they use the US
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dollar. So they had every incentive to
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to something like Bitcoin, right?
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So unless we all want to move to a Salvatore which the keep
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saying this, I hear it's beautiful.
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I it is and I speak. Spanish.
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And it's great whatever, but I guess we're all moving there.
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Let's do it. There needs to be an Awakening
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that these ideas that were talking about that.
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BJ, you woke up too because of what you experienced during the
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trucker's protest, it needs to breach the mainstream
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Consciousness because that's the only way that it could.
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It will actually effectuate political change in the United
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States. As long as Central Banking
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exist, as long as the Federal Reserve exists.
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I fundamentally believe that the citizens of that country, that
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have that Central Bank will always be enslaved to that deep
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state to that bureaucratic state to the administrative State
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because they have an unlimited money printer, man, you know.
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So this is my thoughts on that. Well, in the case of the United
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States, you guys are far more fortunate.
25:26
Because I mean, normally in the past we wouldn't have like these
25:29
things but now that we want to affect change and how policy
25:32
ideas. I don't understand why the
25:34
Bitcoin community in the United States hasn't pushed for a pack
25:38
or a Super PAC, you know, political action community.
25:41
We don't have those in Canada but you do have them in the
25:43
United States and if you set up a pack or a Super PAC, if it got
25:47
enough money that is there just to lobby and advocate for policy
25:52
directly with state and local Representatives.
25:56
That's how you do it. And you know you just you just
26:00
cover you pay for advertising for people who are pro Bitcoin
26:04
and you support them and that infrastructure is there for you
26:07
guys in the United States. I don't understand why.
26:10
Maybe there's not If people in Bitcoin yet, or just there's no,
26:13
there's, I mean, we know it's very libertarian, very
26:16
anti-government. So a lot of those people just
26:18
don't want to get involved in politics and government and I
26:21
agree because politics sucks but it's important right now,
26:26
especially look, you know from your family's background.
26:31
I know from my family's background in Europe.
26:34
In the 1930s, the few that survived and we keep heading
26:39
down that Earth and we got to cut them off in the way to cut
26:43
them off, is you separate the money from the state, we've
26:48
separated religion from state from State and the in the late
26:51
1400s. It's time to do it with our
26:55
money and our fiscal policy they can't be trusted.
26:58
And now we have an alternative. We have this decentralized
27:02
Ledger that operates on its own. There's no need for, you know, a
27:07
group of socialists and a bank to think that That they can, you
27:11
know, flip the right switches and right increase interest
27:15
rates, a whole bunch of people lose their homes, but that's
27:19
okay for the broader macro perspective.
27:22
It's like no, dude, don't touch my money, you know, like, you
27:28
know, and you hit the nail on the head.
27:30
And unfortunately, I think that's the that's the issue that
27:35
I've seen with most bitcoiners is their right.
27:38
They have their own private keys.
27:40
The right, they run their own node, they are sovereign in a
27:44
sense. But what a lot of people don't
27:46
understand is there is no place. There is nowhere else to go.
27:51
If something like the u.s. falls down the collective is a the
27:55
collectivist path and BJ. You've been paying attention to
27:59
politics over the last two years.
28:01
We were very freaking close specifically in the United
28:04
States. They almost federalized the
28:06
elections. There there are one or two votes
28:08
away from that, right? So, It's heavy.
28:12
It was heading down that route and it's so fragile.
28:15
And I don't think I do agree with the theory from the
28:17
sovereign individual that I think over time Bitcoin will
28:22
take away the importance of politics.
28:24
But I think that politics right now specifically, during the
28:27
transition period they can make your life a living hell or they
28:33
can make this transition a hundred times easier for you.
28:36
Or you could always just move, tell Salvador.
28:39
So I think that's why it's Important to have these types of
28:42
conversations. But anyways, I wanted to Pivot a
28:44
little bit. I have a pleb that asked me a
28:47
question copper cup Copernicus. I always pronounce his name
28:51
wrong but he commented on the promo.
28:53
Tweet on Twitter, he said Nico. Please ask if Bitcoin funds
28:57
dispersed to the trucker's. Were actually utilized a remain.
29:01
Unmoved genuinely would like to know what happened to the funds
29:04
once they were in the hands of the trucker's now that were
29:07
almost a year out. You know what, I have no idea, I
29:11
haven't checked, I don't know. I know the addresses.
29:14
A number of the addresses are in this class action lawsuit, which
29:17
I have to explain shortly. I mean, you talk about, you
29:20
know, push back. We have now, it's swelled to a
29:24
458 million dollar lawsuit against all of us who
29:29
participated in the trucker Convoy or at least the
29:32
leadership and that is a law. Fair lawsuit issued by political
29:38
parties, Where we've gone. That's how that's how aggressive
29:42
things are becoming right. But in terms of what people did
29:46
with money, like I'm in two minds about the that we need
29:52
more privacy because I don't want to look at other people's
29:55
money whatever they did with it. That's for them.
29:59
It was distributed to them. I didn't go follow up and see,
30:02
who used money, who didn't use money?
30:04
I have, I have no idea. But in the class action lawsuit,
30:09
there were I'm like 100 or 200 wallets that were listed.
30:12
I think those are the wallets for the trucker's.
30:14
I don't know, I never went to verify all of them because there
30:19
was some point, like, 200 and something wallets that were
30:22
listed as suspicious by the people who advocated the class
30:27
action suit. What I know what I can guarantee
30:31
is that the money was given to the truckers that they Scan.
30:34
They each got a paper wallet from Caribou when he and
30:38
everybody else were Distributing it.
30:39
Them. But from my mindset, it's like,
30:42
okay, great, that's your money. You do what you want with it?
30:46
Gotcha. So let's let's kind of go back
30:49
to talk a little bit about the, you mentioned it earlier on
30:55
right now, about this idea, we're seeing this dramatically
30:59
this idea that let's call them the collectivist, right?
31:03
Not to be specific or anything. This idea that they're using
31:07
lawfare successfully. To silence dissenting speech and
31:12
and you saw this. It also you saw this with with a
31:15
Bitcoin or two with hot or not. Right.
31:17
You saw this with csw using take advantage of the libel laws in
31:21
the United Kingdom, right? To go after dissenting speech to
31:24
scare the crap out of everybody else not to speak up against
31:29
him. And I think we're seeing that a
31:31
lot, for example, the the case with it specifically the case
31:36
with Alex Jones, right? Whether you agree with his
31:38
political beliefs Or not or irrelevant.
31:41
It's very clear that they, that it was almost a billion dollars,
31:47
man. You know.
31:48
No, two point, two point seven, five trillion dollar lawsuit
31:52
that they're issuing against him to those people are psychos the
31:56
way I mean. Yeah you don't like the guy I
31:59
get it but you got to stop. But yeah, it's crazy.
32:02
So and and there was actually some laws that were being passed
32:06
in Canada that were Were also giving a monopoly basically, to
32:15
a monopoly, basically, to the government to kind of control
32:18
speech in a way, it was a very big deal.
32:21
Specifically for Canadian YouTubers.
32:23
Could you talk a little bit about that?
32:25
Yeah. Bill C11, they want to regulate
32:27
what people say about the government, or whatever topics
32:31
that they want on the internet. And they essentially want, you
32:34
know, creative control of what you say, on the internet and the
32:37
News should be for officials. Official sources like the CBC
32:42
the state broadcaster, sound familiar.
32:45
So that's why I said, you know, Trudeau is Canada's who go
32:48
Chava's. They're doing exactly the same
32:50
thing and it's all the collectivist mindset.
32:52
Every time I hear somebody say the greater good, I just want to
32:55
smack them like Nona, you're an individual.
32:58
And this is where this is the common denominator of this
33:03
philosophical battle around the world.
33:05
So when people say, you know, Nico, you're getting two
33:08
political you're Not, you're getting philosophical.
33:12
That's the problem. Where things are at right now
33:15
that we have a section of our population around the world that
33:20
has been radicalized or brainwashed.
33:22
You choose your adjectives to believed to be against their own
33:29
individualism and they don't realize what they've lost until
33:35
they have the boot of the government on their neck.
33:38
And by that time, It's too late. So I think this is not a
33:41
political culture war that were involved in.
33:45
It's a very serious philosophical, culture War.
33:49
So, and what do you mean? It's fascinating?
33:52
And I completely agree with you because it seems like there's
33:55
two opposing forces and it always goes back to the
33:59
individualist versus the collectivist.
34:02
What is this philosophical War? That's happening.
34:06
Well, it's exactly that the collectivist versus
34:09
individualism and we also see the binary thinking which really
34:13
perpetuates that and that comes from political parties and the
34:16
media where everybody's got to go into one or two camps, you
34:21
know, and to show like how almost sadistic it becomes and I
34:27
don't mean to be cynical. But when you nowadays, when you
34:30
can pain and knock on a door because I ran for Parliament,
34:33
several years ago, you're not going to talk to the person.
34:36
Some behind the door. I couldn't believe I was being
34:38
taught. This, you don't go to talk to
34:40
person. You're going to talk to them,
34:41
just to identify. Are they a 1 2 or 3?
34:45
Are they a supporter of yours? Are they, the opposition or they
34:49
have swing voter? And if you're a swing voter, you
34:52
get a second vote, a second, visit and regular telephone
34:55
calls. That's it.
34:56
They're ignoring everybody else because they want to put people
34:59
into this binary world view and that's why.
35:01
When I am trying to get this whole idea out and as on
35:05
Michaela Peterson's podcast, I was explaining, you know, my
35:09
philosophical, I guess, Foundation, I'm trying.
35:13
This is how I was able to reach people on the other side that I
35:17
look at it as it's not a left or right argument anymore.
35:20
We don't live in 17th century. France.
35:23
That is out of date for my political, my worldview.
35:27
I like the goals of the left, I like the systems of the right.
35:32
And I like the freedoms of the libertarian, and depending on
35:36
what the Karthik is, I and we all live slice somewhere within
35:40
that triangle, because listen, the left always cries, but we
35:43
want to help people. We all want to help people,
35:45
right? But we don't know, help people
35:48
at the expense of everybody else.
35:50
We wanted your window and shoot holes in the boat.
35:52
So we all sing together. So, all of these disciplines
35:56
have something to add and we need to get away from the Left,
36:00
Right? Binary world view, which is
36:03
exactly what our media. And our political class are
36:08
trying to reinforce us with and radicalize us with.
36:12
Yeah. And I think you hit the nail on
36:14
the head and that's something that we try to Echo.
36:17
A lot on simply is this idea that the, I believe that 99% of
36:23
the issues between the left and the right will be gone as soon
36:28
as you fix the money. I think that the left has it's
36:32
like look, nobody should have two jobs to just be able to make
36:34
ends meet and the right. Some points where it's like,
36:37
look, leave me the hell alone like sovereignty, right?
36:40
But I believe that the, the the way that the system works, it's
36:44
like, look, if we get the Democrats at least in the United
36:47
States or we get the Republicans in my office, all the problems
36:51
are going to go away. Yeah.
36:52
And no because they both do the same thing, which is they print
36:56
money, and in the process of printing that money, it's a
36:59
wealth redistribution mechanism. From the people that need it,
37:02
most the lower and middle classes that don't have.
37:04
The means To save and assets that benefit from asset
37:08
inflation, right? You're living paycheck to
37:10
paycheck, you're saving and cash.
37:12
That's what you have in your and they even have the audacity to
37:15
still have something called the savings account.
37:17
You're not see, you're not saving anything in a savings
37:20
account. It's literally your decision.
37:22
Yeah, it's a depreciation, they should, they should Rebrand the
37:25
name, you know. So and I fundamentally agree
37:28
with you because there's so many things that I agree with on the
37:32
left. There's so many things that I
37:33
agree with on the right, but it's soap.
37:35
Arised. And, and honestly, BJ I think
37:38
they do it on purpose, man. Oh yeah, it's a strategy.
37:43
It's the divide-and-conquer strategy.
37:45
And that's why, you know, in terms of when I was trying to do
37:49
the Outreach and branding and how we going to tag this, this
37:52
movement going in to Ottawa in January, you know, I was
37:57
thinking about I've told this a few times, I was thinking back
38:00
to a Grateful Dead concert or date, Grateful, Dead concerts
38:03
and Allman Brothers concert. So I used to go to when I was a
38:05
kid. Kid that it was all like the
38:07
1960s peace and love and freedom and everybody loved each other.
38:12
And what was amazing about dead concerts was you could have a
38:15
guy who's like, a billionaire investment advisor and you have
38:19
somebody who's a janitor. But when you went there, they
38:22
all agreed. At least on the idea of
38:25
respecting and loving one, another one.
38:27
Another. And that's why the freedom
38:28
Convoy became, peace, love, unity and freedom.
38:31
That's that will, those are the fundamental four pillars of the
38:35
Freedom, you know what happens when you did that?
38:37
I had people that were like insane.
38:40
Lefties man coming into Twitter spaces, talking to me and say,
38:44
yeah, you know, we disagree on a lot of stuff, but we need to
38:47
start to respect each other and love each other again.
38:49
You know, like, yeah, I disagree on this little issue but let's,
38:52
let's, let's leave the things we disagree on right now.
38:55
Let's focus on what we do, agree, and that was a threat to
38:59
the political class because we had what you had in Venezuela.
39:02
We didn't have the activists class, Testing.
39:06
This was small business, people protesting and working class
39:10
people were protesting and that becomes a threat to the homogeny
39:15
and they need to crush it. That is the worst nightmare
39:19
because that is, apparently how they portray.
39:22
That's where their powers supposed to come from.
39:25
And the fact that it's not coming from there, scares the
39:29
living crap, out of them, because they know there are the
39:32
own, they're the elite, or the people at the very, very, very
39:35
Very bottom that they can give handouts to, but everybody.
39:39
Yeah. Every request.
39:40
Can we not call them Elites? I call them global global
39:42
scavengers. I think scavengers a more
39:45
appropriate term and what we have different terms here on
39:47
simply opted, calls them, something parasites.
39:53
I called the monetary demons. So it's great.
39:56
We all have, you know, different vocabulary for for all these
40:00
people. But so, before we talk about
40:03
your book, Let's talk about out Bitcoins role in Canada.
40:09
How do you see Bitcoin fitting into all this?
40:12
Because Canada is going through, I would say a very historical
40:16
upheaval, you know, the, the relationship between a citizen
40:20
in Canada and the government I think changed when the trucker's
40:24
protests happened. So where do you think Bitcoin
40:27
fits in all this Well, I've been spending a lot of time and, you
40:32
know, partially intentionally and partially partially
40:34
unintentionally just orange, orange, killing people, because
40:37
there's so many people that started following me and
40:41
reaching out to me like, man, you got to see some of the
40:43
emails that we got or the messages that I got.
40:47
During the protests of talked about one of them on a stream,
40:51
then you enter night, you know, these two women.
40:53
It was almost The Identical message with two people that
40:57
they wanted to commit suicide. The Really didn't really know
41:00
what to do with her kids. And so they've been trying to
41:03
think about a strategy for their children after they commit
41:06
commit suicide. And then they saw these trucks
41:11
that decided that they're going to rise up and they're going to
41:14
come across the country thinking to speak for them and it
41:17
breathes new life into them and they finally had hope which is
41:23
why, you know, we subtitled the book.
41:26
The trucker Convoy that gave us hope because that's exactly what
41:29
it did. But because I had those, some of
41:31
those emails were crushing, man, your difficult to read.
41:34
So, all of this, so many of these people continue to
41:37
interact with me. And came in Twitter spaces with
41:41
me. And I don't shove Bitcoin down
41:43
people's throat on my daily. Like, I do a daily stream on my
41:47
YouTube channel about positivity and politics and looking at,
41:50
from a positive View, and I'll mention big coin here and there,
41:53
and whatever. And, you know what, eventually,
41:55
especially, because of the trucking Convoy now they're
41:58
curious. And, you know, I think of Reesa
42:00
Reesa comes into, you know, DJ Satoshi.
42:02
You've had them on simply Bitcoin.
42:05
So DJ and I started doing spaces at the end of the Boy, you know,
42:10
beginner Bitcoin, Twitter's faces and remember Risa whose
42:13
local in Toronto was one of the first people to join and I
42:17
haven't spoken to her for a month month that we always miss
42:20
each other in space. And they come in dude.
42:23
She's like mining now and nodes and like teaching everybody and
42:28
like with me she's like okay I'm so confused.
42:31
I don't know how to I don't know how to buy Bitcoin and now she's
42:34
like the Bitcoin Queen and she's orange pilling all her friends.
42:38
Is in her regular daily life. And she knows, it's a process of
42:42
takes bring it up once in a while, letting them get curious.
42:45
And so it's just been naturally going on.
42:48
So I was on this stream two days ago.
42:50
A guy who was covering the freedom Convoy I didn't know
42:54
about because I was so busy with other stuff.
42:56
Built a huge audience. We're talking.
42:59
I mentioned Bitcoin and he says oh yeah wait I gotta ask you
43:01
something. I understand this Bitcoin.
43:04
What is this, right? Thank you Mike.
43:06
What do you mean? You know, he's About your age
43:09
and he's kind of, he has a technical guy and whatever and
43:14
it was a full orange pill moment.
43:17
In real time, I can send you the timestamp and I checked the
43:21
comments, the the next day and there were a whole bunch of
43:24
people in the comments saying I finally understand Bitcoin, you
43:28
know, BJ, explain Bitcoin to me. This is great, like a whole
43:30
bunch of them, and we're going to be maybe doing some stuff
43:33
together in the future, and I sent an email off to Jeff Booth.
43:38
Lives in the same Province as him and saying, listen Jeff I
43:41
might be doing something if so do you want to participate?
43:44
And he's like you know me if I can ever lend a hand and your
43:47
local I'm available. I'm there with you brother.
43:50
So yeah, I mean that's my how I see Bitcoin.
43:53
I'm not going to. I don't get too technical.
43:55
I don't get too much into you. No, no.
43:57
I just listen, it's Freedom. You don't understand how the
44:01
current Financial system works, but you use it.
44:05
You don't necessarily have to understand how Bitcoin works.
44:08
To use it and to understand that it is full Financial Freedom and
44:14
it's a hedge against the government that saved the lives
44:18
of a number of truckers who fought who are worried that
44:21
their truck was going to be impounded because they missed a
44:23
couple of truck payments but Bitcoin came along, and there's
44:27
a couple of the just broke down in tears.
44:29
And said, thank you so much. My wife has been calling me.
44:32
We don't know what we're going to do our mortgage payment and
44:34
the truck payment and whatever and Bitcoin came.
44:38
And save them, man. And would, what's astonishing to
44:42
me is that you hear this story over and over and over again,
44:47
right? With your life, with my life,
44:49
with OP these life, right? It's this story of Hope, right?
44:53
Before, you know, I went, you know, just headfirst into
44:57
Bitcoin, I was very desperate and that moment in my life, I
45:01
made a good choice. I guess my life was, it was, you
45:05
know, it was nihilistic. I like, how am I going to be
45:08
able? Able to ever afford rent, how am
45:10
I ever going to be able to save for future much less?
45:14
How am I ever going to able to afford to have a family?
45:17
Right? It's just like very basic things
45:20
and I think that's a cause of a lot of the political
45:24
polarization because I think that both sides ideologically
45:28
know something is fundamentally wrong with the system.
45:32
But their solution to though, to the to that broken thing is more
45:37
more. Six more power to these
45:41
bureaucrats that are the ones that caused the mess in the
45:44
first place, right? So, thank you for that story
45:48
because it just puts a smile on my face and once again, you have
45:51
Bitcoin and a story of Hope and that's incredible.
45:55
Anyways, I wanted to Pivot to talk a little bit about your
45:58
book Benjamin, why did you write it?
46:00
And what's it about? So, it's a story of about the
46:05
entire experience of the freedom Boy.
46:09
And I wanted two things from it. Well, I want a number of things
46:12
from it, but one of them, I wanted it to be a positive
46:16
story. I didn't want to talk about, you
46:18
know, the police cracking down. I wanted people to understand
46:20
that this movement was all about peace, love, unity and freedom.
46:25
And I wanted to tell the story about that, I wanted it to be
46:28
for people who supported the freedom Convoy but needed a lot
46:32
of unanswered, questions and context to what was going on
46:35
behind the background. But also I wanted to be a tool.
46:39
Just like Bitcoin where people can read the book, understand
46:42
it. Now I have greater context and
46:45
I'm going to give it to my cousin or my friend or my parent
46:49
who didn't understand the freedom Convoy and they can read
46:52
it and walk away with a positive feeling.
46:55
So it's not a Chronicle chronological, you know, Order
46:58
series of dates. It's an adventure story because
47:01
what we were dealing with was crazy for example and their
47:04
stories Beyond. Just me, there's a chapter on
47:08
This YouTube stream or who started during the Convoy, from
47:11
the back of a truck in a shed and ended up that the police
47:15
came in with full automatic automatic weapons.
47:20
Like full rifles and pulled guns on him during his stream and the
47:26
only news agency in the world who believed him and he sent
47:30
them pictures was the New York Times, what?
47:34
That doesn't make sense, but he did, and it's an amazing story,
47:37
that's it. After we were going to do a
47:40
chapter on bitcoin, but we ended up doing two chapters on bitcoin
47:45
because the story was so compelling that could have been
47:49
a book in itself. So there's a lot of that and it
47:51
starts with the people out west. The people who were organizing
47:55
it a couple of chapters following people across the
47:58
country, we interviewed so many people.
48:01
And the best thing about it was the person who taught me to
48:04
write the book who is and who is an editor, a published author.
48:08
Was also an investigative journalist for 30 years.
48:11
I got to tell you man, those skill sets were a godsend
48:15
because he understood how to go back and build a timeline, like,
48:18
an investigative journalist was, who's a credible witness who's
48:22
not a credible? Witness set up interviews with
48:24
everybody like, it was amazing. So it's as accurate as possible.
48:29
Yeah, I don't think there's many mistakes in there.
48:31
It's not subjective as we tried to make it as objective as
48:35
possible and we tried to make it.
48:38
Positive and beautiful story. And I sent the script to Jordan
48:41
Pederson and he was kind enough. He offered to write the
48:47
endorsement for the books on the back of the book, is Jordan.
48:51
Peterson's thoughts on the book and why it's important.
48:54
And I'm hoping that it gets into the hands of, as many people as
48:59
possible, irrespective of political view.
49:02
It's not about this Left, Right, nonsense.
49:06
It's just a story about People who felt as though the
49:10
government was crushing their lives and they needed to do
49:14
something. And the way they did it is they
49:16
came together they loved and supported each other and they
49:20
ended up in Ottowa having hot tubs, and dance parties, and
49:25
hanging out, and barbecues and feeding the homeless.
49:28
I describe it as Canada's Woodstock moment.
49:30
And if you see the promo video, we did it.
49:33
Exactly shows that. That's what it was.
49:35
It was with some footage on the ground.
49:38
It was absolutely amazing and the bureaucracy is doing their
49:40
best to just lie and smear about it.
49:44
And it's not working because people's eyes function, they
49:48
really do and the guy who helped me last thing I'll say about it.
49:52
The guy who helped me produce the video for it and he took
49:56
five days worth of footage. The reason he did it is his dad
50:01
was not supportive of the Convoy and his daddy's in government.
50:05
Very high up in government. So he put together Video.
50:09
He did a 45 minute long version of it.
50:11
Sad his father down and said, do me a favor.
50:14
I just uploaded this video. Do you mind watching it with me?
50:16
Let's watch it together and his dad said.
50:19
Yeah. Okay, fine.
50:21
And after 45 minutes, he said he noticed during the the video,
50:25
his dad started to turn like his body language turned.
50:29
And at the end, he turned the TV off and he said, I can't believe
50:34
what I believed. And so sorry this was absolutely
50:37
beautiful and he Was emotionally affected by it, as much as all
50:41
of us, were emotionally affected by it on the ground changed my
50:43
life, and it changed, many other people's lives.
50:46
And I'm hoping to do that with this book.
50:49
So people understand what exactly transpired there.
50:53
That was a, that was a beautiful description.
50:55
It literally gave me chills. What do you think BJ, the
51:00
trucker's Convoy whatever represented?
51:02
Because I'm an onlooker, right? But it did resonate with me
51:06
because I saw It represented. And most importantly, it
51:11
confirmed what I was thinking based on the reaction, The
51:15
Savage reaction by the state to try to quell this, try to label
51:22
it. Try to take control of this
51:23
narrative, labeling it as as a, as a violent, some type of
51:28
violent Insurrection. Some type of violent protests
51:30
when there was bouncy castles, right?
51:33
And a couple years before cities were literally being lit on
51:36
fire, no issue with that. That right?
51:39
But with this what it represented it was so scary to
51:44
the state. Now question to you.
51:47
BJ in Canada's history what do you think the trucker?
51:52
Do you think it represented you think this is a pivotal moment?
51:55
Do you think things change going forward or is was, is this just
52:01
a sign of where things are going?
52:05
No, I think it's dramatically changed Canada, for the better
52:09
and I think around the world. I mean look at Justin prime
52:13
minister blackface diversity Trudeau.
52:15
As I like to call him he was you know, revered all over the world
52:19
because he looked good on camera.
52:20
I look like a young leader but we all knew what he was.
52:25
Some people accepted it, some people didn't and when you know,
52:28
when I was on simply Bitcoin with you.
52:30
Remember after that I went to Columbia and my friends in
52:33
Colombia called Him we call him Kyra.
52:37
Negra Farolito described, he's a joke all over the world and he
52:43
has now become a lame duck prime minister even amongst people in
52:47
his own party. I've had former cabinet members
52:50
in the liberal party because they know I'm not like a like,
52:53
I'm pretty open minded. I have a lot of liberal friends
52:55
as well, which is maybe why I'm good at communicating with them,
52:59
as well as to conservatives and who reached out to me and said,
53:02
yeah, we need to move on Beyond this guy.
53:04
We were trying to get rid of him during the Convoy, we were
53:06
forming a caucus within the party and he called in the EA,
53:11
the martial law before we were able to get rid of them.
53:14
So yeah, it fundamentally changed, it got rid of all these
53:17
Mass mandates and provincial, passports, and all that sort of
53:21
stuff. And the if you want to call the
53:24
Deep State or the bureaucracy, learn that.
53:26
Hey, guess what, guess what? We're not actually in charge, we
53:31
are public servants. Is exactly what I'm going to
53:35
call them. Every time I refer to them in my
53:38
testimony. So I think it completely changed
53:42
the landscape in Canada. And for me, one of the best best
53:46
things is, I keep telling people this and I think we discussed
53:49
this. When I first met you in Miami, I
53:53
think this moment is going to be a pivotal moment, not only in
53:57
Canadian history but in Bitcoin history I think right now, you
54:02
know, when you're when you're living, NG it, you think?
54:04
Yeah, it's significant. But how big of a deal is it?
54:08
I'm hoping, and this is why I wanted.
54:09
This was so important for the book.
54:11
The Bitcoin story is that 20 years from now.
54:14
People will look back at the Canadian Convoy which also
54:19
spawned 30 convoys around the world including 20,000 truckers
54:25
in France. That descended on the Arc de
54:27
Triomphe from all over the country and the police came out
54:31
with Riot and tear gas and it was a Essen France.
54:36
And this was the moment that Bitcoin lived up to that
54:40
hyperbole that everybody said, oh, I will the coverings never
54:43
going to really, you know, seize your bank accounts.
54:46
If you haven't done anything illegal, why would they do that?
54:50
They're going to seize your bank accounts if you missed gender or
54:52
somebody that would be crazy, right?
54:55
And yet here we are in that world and Bitcoin proved Beyond
55:01
its all its expectations and it's done it before.
55:04
Or in authoritarian regimes. But what make the made this
55:07
unique was, this was the Western world that decided it is going
55:12
to strip people of their individual rights and property
55:16
rights by seizing their property and locking them out of their
55:20
bank accounts just because a couple of thousand trucks were
55:24
parked illegally in a city. That's what we did.
55:27
We, they parked illegally with the protest, maybe it's
55:30
illegally parked without a permit and they brought in
55:33
martial law. But Bitcoin was there to save
55:37
some of those truckers from losing everything they had.
55:40
And I think in 20 years from now that's going to be the first
55:45
thing that will be in the Bitcoin Museum wherever that is
55:48
and I fundamentally agree with that.
55:51
I never forget it because we're you know, we're slaves a new
55:54
cycle here. It simply to do a good job for
55:56
you guys. I never forget the lady, the
56:02
blond lady that she was something part of the Nance and
56:05
the look on her face when she could not admit.
56:09
That she could not freeze those Bitcoins.
56:12
Is they posture? Like they could they possibly
56:16
know we're and we're in control here.
56:18
I'm the captain now and then all of us have you been going to all
56:22
of a sudden, Bitcoin Twitter or just like holy crap.
56:26
They can't do anything. They're powerless here and then
56:30
they started you remember that. They started threatening The
56:34
Kraken CEO, they started threatening the coinbase CEO,
56:38
Brian Armstrong, because they're like, listen guys, we can't
56:41
protect you, but you could take self custody and then the
56:44
Canadian government's. Like, how dare you tell people
56:47
to take control of their money. So, the Bears can't take it away
56:49
from them Chuck's response to the Ontario.
56:53
That was amazing. But, you know, it's funny.
56:56
It's just a little tidbit that woman Krista Friedland, who has
57:00
no Finance background, but he's our finance minister and Beauty
57:04
leader, which doesn't happen. Unless you have a dictatorship.
57:07
Also famed for writing, George soros's biography.
57:12
Lexie. Yeah, she's part of the WF and
57:15
she wrote his biography, she's a Soros disciple.
57:20
I swear to God, like not kidding.
57:22
You think reality Stranger Than Fiction like crazy.
57:27
I was thinking about going in to do my testimony in the
57:30
commission wearing big prosthetic boobs and a blond
57:34
wig, right? I thought was I thought that
57:37
would be seeing you haven't seen that that whole thing that went
57:39
on in Canada. Hold on.
57:41
I'm still stuck up on this wrote.
57:43
The biography for Soros and that was the lady freezing People's
57:48
Bank account. Yeah, what that's crazy.
57:54
Mmm! Oh my God.
57:56
So she she bought into that whole you know.
58:00
Well maybe she makes. Maybe she likes aetherium.
58:04
Ha ha. Oh man.
58:09
Oh my God. Really enjoyed this man.
58:12
Thank you so much. When does, when does this book
58:16
drop and where could people were, could people get it?
58:21
Okay, so you go to honking for freedom.com and you can do
58:25
pre-orders. I think we're going to have, we
58:27
have to the platforms already up Amazon, and Kobo, I understand
58:31
Amazon. We're also going to add see any
58:33
book, it. So, you'll be able to pre-order
58:36
now. And it's finally going to
58:39
release on November 11th. That's in hunky for freedom.com
58:44
on November 11th, which is very significant in, can't Canadian
58:48
history and in the Commonwealth. That's Remembrance Day because I
58:51
think some people in our political class need to be
58:55
reminded why people were killed and maimed in this country's
58:59
history. And it's not.
59:01
So a bunch of politicians can play footsies with lobbyists and
59:05
Central Bankers. That's not what they put.
59:07
If online for so honking for from.com and we're also going
59:11
to, we're doing some events already.
59:12
I'm wearing have a book launch. We now have I think four cities,
59:15
I'm going to be at the Bitcoin in addition to that Bitcoin,
59:18
Massachusetts in Boston on November 17.
59:21
So if you're not in your mass, you want to come out, come hang
59:23
out and then I'm doing daily. Live streams are almost daily
59:28
live streams. When I'm not in the truck,
59:29
honking for freedom to locals.com or youtube.com slash
59:33
bjd online my initials. And then, you know, De Soto she
59:38
was in here, I think he's still in the comments.
59:39
I go to his spaces all the time. I try to get into Bitcoin Cafe
59:45
all the time and you guys I try to participate when you're
59:48
around when I'm in the truck because I want to give as much
59:50
support to you as I possibly can, and maybe we should do an
59:54
event together like dude, Miami is my favorite city in the
59:57
world. So if we, when I come down there
1:00:00
because there's some people at a place called Mar-A-Lago, want to
1:00:05
meet me again. I may be doing something with
1:00:09
them there and if so maybe we should do something in Miami
1:00:11
because I just want to meet all these people a and Bitcoin and
1:00:15
all these people who supported us and showed nothing but love
1:00:19
for the Canadian truckers and I want to thank them in person
1:00:21
that that that's important to me.
1:00:23
Yeah, there's a tremendous, you'll find a tremendous amount
1:00:26
of solidarity specifically in Miami because Pony, the city is
1:00:31
filled of Cubans and Venezuelans and we every Uber wanted to take
1:00:36
a picture with With me when I was, there was crazy.
1:00:39
Yeah, we know we've seen collectivism firsthand, you
1:00:46
know, what's at stake, more than anybody and we see the signs and
1:00:50
they're always the same and it's a slow creep, and a lot of
1:00:55
people believe in the US, and fortunately can never happen
1:00:58
here. And I think that, I think
1:01:02
history will show Canada. I think this is a global
1:01:06
phenomenon. What you were talking about
1:01:08
earlier, BJ that these times were awfully, we were very, very
1:01:14
close to it. But I think I think there's a
1:01:17
happy ending at the at the end. So I'm looking forward to that
1:01:22
it will. Corey says it best right?
1:01:23
The bright orange future I think Bitcoin will facilitate that.
1:01:28
So there's a golden age in our future.
1:01:30
It's an orange. Change in our view, it's an
1:01:32
orange age, you know, gold gold gold.
1:01:34
This is shit koi. Do you don't need Golden Age of
1:01:36
Enlightenment? 2.0 is Orange?
1:01:39
It's orange. It's orange.
1:01:43
I like so, I like I'm gonna tell you guys physical gold.
1:01:47
I'm a fan of because I could hold it and it's nice.
1:01:51
But it's how you going to store a you can't you can't transport
1:01:55
that easily when you want to understand how bad Customs are
1:02:09
in many countries around the world.
1:02:11
Are you going to ship gold out? But he crazy, I'll take her
1:02:14
right away. You can't memorize 12 words in
1:02:16
your mind and store some gold, you know?
1:02:18
And that's the, that's the The, that's the fundamental weakness.
1:02:22
That that's the, that's the point there.
1:02:24
But BJ, like I said, this was a pleasure guys.
1:02:27
Check out his book, honking for Freedom.com.
1:02:30
What, how would you describe it real quick?
1:02:32
Like if you were to describe the book?
1:02:34
What would you? What would you say?
1:02:36
Honestly? It's a true life real-life
1:02:39
adventure story, but it's positive and it's loving and
1:02:42
there's some bumps in the road, there's no question but it's
1:02:45
going to leave you with a sense. I think of Pride and that things
1:02:48
are going to get better because I think We've had the peak of
1:02:52
Maximum stupidity and it's going to be this is a generational
1:02:56
change, this is not going to happen tomorrow and back to the
1:02:59
politicians. When you're asking me, one
1:03:01
politician is not going to change this.
1:03:03
The change is going to happen over decades, but I think we've
1:03:07
hit Peak stupidity. And now we're going to be
1:03:11
recovering slowly over time. I fundamentally agree with you
1:03:15
but it requires vigilance. Since it requires action, you
1:03:22
have to stay on top of this. And unfortunately, you have to
1:03:26
get involved somehow, you know, and again like this is a weird
1:03:29
information War, right? So every tweet, every video,
1:03:34
every piece of Engagement it functions.
1:03:37
As you know, I always say it. I'm like, if bull if tweets are
1:03:40
bullets memes artillery, right? And this is the type of war that
1:03:45
were fighting that were fighting and it's basically narrative,
1:03:48
trench warfare winning. Our hearts and minds and telling
1:03:53
him, hey man, its freedom, you know, I just want to, you know,
1:03:56
one last shout out to Ellie and the team that put together the
1:04:00
cover for the book, the front and back set up all the
1:04:03
infrastructure. You know, they left Venezuela
1:04:06
for a reason because much like you, they lived in and
1:04:12
everything was paid for with Bitcoin.
1:04:15
Beautiful. And, and it's crazy.
1:04:18
How much you hear that? So many times, buddy of mine had
1:04:22
to leave Venezuela. He took his wealth with Bitcoin
1:04:26
because it's the only thing he across the board, so it's
1:04:28
beautiful. That's awesome.
1:04:30
Anyways, BJ, thank you so much. Would love to hope to have you
1:04:34
again in the future. Could you could you give us any
1:04:37
insights about some things going on?
1:04:41
Some, some exciting things that are could be potentially
1:04:44
happening in the next six months.
1:04:46
There's a lot. I want to give away too much but
1:04:48
we will be doing a lot of Live Events.
1:04:50
So I will put be putting that calendar of live events at
1:04:54
honking for freedom.com and come on out, everybody just come
1:04:59
chill. Let's hang out like you and I
1:05:01
did at the Bitcoin, meet up, we all got to start doing that and
1:05:05
the other thing is we got to get away from exclusively being over
1:05:10
camera over the Internet. We got to breathe the same air
1:05:12
from time to time when we can and To make this all peaceful
1:05:17
and loving and all of us coming together not as a collective but
1:05:20
as individuals correct. But that have common common
1:05:24
underlying values around love and freedom.
1:05:28
Absolutely. And I think you hit the nail on
1:05:30
the head and I saw it in the chat to throw away, the left,
1:05:33
and the right tropes about individualism versus
1:05:36
collectivism. That's what it's always been
1:05:38
about. Anyways, BJ, I appreciate it.
1:05:41
I'm going to put you back stage and roll it out.
1:05:42
Let's do it. All right, brother.