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FBI PROBES 11 SPACE SCIENTISTS DEAD, MISSING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The FBI is probing eleven
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Speaker 1: US space scientists either dead or missing. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: The White House and FBI are investigating a string of
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Speaker 2: suspicious deaths and disappearances of at least eleven US scientists,
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Speaker 2: many of whom are involved in classified aerospace, nuclear, and
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Speaker 2: defense research that.
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Speaker 1: Is certainly putting it mildly deep. Research into anti gravity
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Speaker 1: jet propulsion, into special alloys made for high intensity heat,
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Speaker 1: an alloy called mandelay, and so much more. Ideas and
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Speaker 1: theories that most of us have never that, under their
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Speaker 1: skill and expertise, were actually coming true until they go
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Speaker 1: missing or are found dead. Eleven that we know of,
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Speaker 1: many of them. I've been able to connect one two, three,
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Speaker 1: four two McCaslin, General Neil McCaslin, who oversaw funding and research,
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Speaker 1: who was seeing over commanding an entire Air Force base,
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Speaker 1: but also was in charge of funding and overseeing research
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Speaker 1: into many of these projects. Joining us and all Star
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Speaker 1: Pedal to make sense of what we are learning tonight.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to special guests joining us.
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Speaker 1: Chris Malure, Deputy science editor for Daily Mail. What is happening?
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Speaker 1: Many people thought that this was fantastic, but it's not.
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Speaker 1: And now the FBI has joined the probe. And I
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Speaker 1: would like to add in stark stark departure from normal
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Speaker 1: FBI tactics which we saw out in the Nancy Guthrie case. Remember,
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Speaker 1: the FBI did not enter into the investigation until they
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Speaker 1: were invited by Sheriff Nanos, who took a sweet time
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Speaker 1: doing it, screwed up the investigation. Here they have jumped
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Speaker 1: in feet first into the disappearance of General McCaslin, which
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Speaker 1: opens up an entire can of worms. And to the
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Speaker 1: other ten scientists, and that's ten that we know of,
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Speaker 1: Christma Lore.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Nancy. Actually, this is This has been something
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Speaker 3: that has been pushed by a lot on Capitol Hill.
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Speaker 3: We've spoken to Congressman Eric Burlason and Timbershett at length,
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Speaker 3: and they've been pushing for this investigation. A lot of
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Speaker 3: the initial investigations were done by local police, and the
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Speaker 3: Congressman have definitely pushed this into the forefront for a
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Speaker 3: federal investigation.
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Speaker 1: As of late, many have been found dead, many just
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Speaker 1: simply disappear, and they disappear under very unusual circumstances. They
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Speaker 1: are connected. That's where I start all criminal investigations with connectivity.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything linking them and to you? Brian Fitzgibbons
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Speaker 1: joining US Direct to Operations USPA Nationwide Security, who leads
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Speaker 1: a team of investigators finding missing people former Marine Iraqi
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Speaker 1: war that Brian. Many people say these are not connected,
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Speaker 1: but I, from over one thousand miles away from where
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Speaker 1: they went missing, have been able to connect five of them,
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Speaker 1: four connected to General Neil McCasland. Much happening out of
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Speaker 1: the New Mexico juris Diction, New Mexico and California. Listen
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Speaker 1: to these connections and how the people went missing. Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with Melissa Cassias, administrator at the l Los
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Speaker 1: Alamos National Laboratory and the afr L. So you've got
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Speaker 1: the Air Force Lab, the Air Force Research Lab and
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Speaker 1: Los Alamos Nuclear Lab. She worked there. She worked with Chevez,
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Speaker 1: Los Alamos Nuclear Lab and AFRL. Monica Jacinto Risa worked
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Speaker 1: at the AFRL Air Force Research Lab. General mchaslan Oversaw
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Speaker 1: actually ran come and deeered the AFRL, including the funding
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Speaker 1: specifically Resa's project. Steven Garcia government contractor built parts for
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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons connected to the afr L. Well I can
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Speaker 1: connect more, but listen to how Melissa Cassias goes missing.
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Speaker 1: She takes her daughter a sub sandwich subway sandwich for lunch.
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Speaker 1: She says she's going to work from home. She spotted
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Speaker 1: on camera surveillance cam leaving around two pm in the
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Speaker 1: afternoon there in New Mexico. She never went for a
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Speaker 1: walk in the heat. She took no cell phone, no keys,
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Speaker 1: no identifying objects. Never seen again, walking briskly eastbound. A
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Speaker 1: shoe that may belonged to her was found in a canyon,
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Speaker 1: even though cadaver dogs and scent dogs were brought out. Nothing.
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Speaker 1: Then you've got Monica jssin Theresa. She got her funding
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Speaker 1: from afrol and she was specializing in jet propulsion. She
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Speaker 1: is on a hike in the La National Forest. She's
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Speaker 1: with a friend, a female friend who's just ahead of her.
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Speaker 1: The friend looks back, she waves and smiles. A few
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Speaker 1: minutes later, she looks back. Monica's gone gone. An intense
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Speaker 1: digital search and more was conducted. Nothing in the space
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Speaker 1: of ten minutes. She's gone. Mcaslon General William Neil McCaslin,
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Speaker 1: who oversaw funding is at home in a space of
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Speaker 1: less than one hour. If it's Gibbons, he disappears, His
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Speaker 1: wife sees him, a repairman seiesman. The wife leaves for
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Speaker 1: a here appointment around eleven four am. She comes back
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Speaker 1: around twelve four am PM. He's gone. He leaves without
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Speaker 1: his cell phone, his keys, a smart watch which would
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Speaker 1: have identified him and tracked him. He leaves behind those
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Speaker 1: description glasses you see him wearing. He takes nothing to
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Speaker 1: identify him, but he does take a thirty eight and
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Speaker 1: he's wearing a pair of hiking boots. Listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Sometime later, a gray Air Force sweatshirt is found discarded
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Speaker 1: by the side of the road. The only thing that
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Speaker 1: would have identified him as being with the Air Force
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Speaker 1: is found discarded. There's Steve Garcia again goes for a
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Speaker 1: walk and never comes back, leaving behind phone, watch, ID
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Speaker 1: you name it? How can these not be connected? Brian Fitzgibbons,
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Speaker 1: And there's more.
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Speaker 4: You know, hey, there's a lack of obvious risk factors
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Speaker 4: for a missing persons or a suicide case with all
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Speaker 4: of these individuals that you've named. They have economic stability,
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Speaker 4: government jobs with pensions, they have professional status, highly educated,
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Speaker 4: highly influential in their fields, many of them. And then
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Speaker 4: you add the caveat that they're connected, not loosely, but
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Speaker 4: intimately connected through Air Force research labs and specific projects
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Speaker 4: within that research function. And then you add in the
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Speaker 4: additional caveat that a number of them have gone missing
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Speaker 4: with the same circumstances, leaving Apple watch and phone behind.
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Speaker 4: This is highly alarming and ought to be investigated thoroughly
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Speaker 4: by the FBI.
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Brian, is that I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: the ones that are missing. The others are dead. A
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Speaker 1: couple of them fans submerged in bodies of water. Straight
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Speaker 1: out to John Nance joining us. Former supervisory special Agent
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Speaker 1: with the FBI for over twenty years. John, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us tonight. John. Why is it the
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Speaker 1: FBI typically waits to be invited in on a local investigation.
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Speaker 1: Why is that?
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Speaker 5: Well, the FBI doesn't have federal jurisdiction or primary jurisdiction
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Speaker 5: in murder cases. There are some exceptions to that, but
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Speaker 5: that's essentially why you don't see the FBI taking the
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Speaker 5: lead role immediately in cases of that nature. But when
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Speaker 5: it comes to matters like this, especially with the mccaslan disappearance.
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Speaker 5: I think this directly implicates national security issues. In the
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Speaker 5: first part of my career, I spent as a counterintelligence agent,
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Speaker 5: and I can tell you from that perspective, the correlations
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Speaker 5: that we see here are extremely disturbing, and I'm sure
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Speaker 5: that's why Patel's FBI has gone into overdrive with conducting
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Speaker 5: investigations into these matters. Particularly interesting is Amy Ridge's case
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Speaker 5: and what Frank Milburn had to say with regard to her,
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Speaker 5: the use of directed energy weapons, things of that nature.
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Speaker 5: I think all these things are going to be looked
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Speaker 5: at and analyzed with a fine tooth comb, so to speak,
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Speaker 5: by the FBI.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, their research, mister nance was
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Speaker 1: so advanced is beyond what many of us can even imagine.
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Speaker 1: For instance, Amy Escridge allegedly did from a self inflicted
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Speaker 1: gunshot wound. This is after she texted friend saying if
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Speaker 1: I am found dead, I did not repeat, did not
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Speaker 1: commit suicide. She was working on anti gravity jet propulsion,
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Speaker 1: which is amazing. It's specifically, she was working with her
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Speaker 1: father on an idea she wanted to present to NASA,
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Speaker 1: and it dealt with a craft, an aircraft called t
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Speaker 1: R three B. T toy R three B brother a
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Speaker 1: triangular craft, and with anti gravity jet propulsion, that craft
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Speaker 1: could go up down to either side, caddy cornered diagonally
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Speaker 1: and at rapid rates of speed, unlike anything that we
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Speaker 1: are familiar with, basically defining the laws of gravity. That's
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Speaker 1: what anti gravity jet propulsion is, and it can be
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Speaker 1: used for a myriad, myriad of purposes. The other woman
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Speaker 1: we are discussing, Monica Jacinto Reisa, worked at af r L.
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Speaker 1: That's what she got her funding. Anyway, she was working
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Speaker 1: on an amazing alloy, a metal that was highly heat
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Speaker 1: resistant to be used on rockets, called mandelay. Many of
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Speaker 1: us have never even heard of that. Now you mentioned
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Speaker 1: directed energy attacks, and I now know, since I've been
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Speaker 1: investigating this, that a Russian agent was here apprehended here
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Speaker 1: in the US in the twenty twenties with such a device.
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Speaker 1: So this is no longer. In other words, it's like
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Speaker 1: shooting a gun, except as microwaves. Yes, something that many
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Speaker 1: people only imagine is real. I didn't know that until
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Speaker 1: I started investigating this. Could you describe what that is?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 5: Sure, this is the stuff you're talking about is not
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Speaker 5: science fiction. The Trangler shaped craft that you're describing have
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Speaker 5: been seen and reported about for decades. These individuals, Raisa,
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Speaker 5: for instance, was working at Wright Patterson Air Force Base,
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Speaker 5: which is directly connected to General McCaslin. It's also directly
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Speaker 5: connected to the UAP phenomenon, and we've had several congressional
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Speaker 5: hearings with regard to it. And wherever you fall or
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Speaker 5: whether you come down on this issue, it is at
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Speaker 5: its base level a government transparency issue. As Gridge, you know,
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Speaker 5: working on anti gravity technology or filled propulsion technology would
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Speaker 5: be paradigm shifting. So these technologies are, in many people's opinions,
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Speaker 5: the result of crash retrieval programs. We've got, Like I said,
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Speaker 5: we've we've had several congressional hearings with regard to this,
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Speaker 5: I've I've written several columns at town Hall with regard
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Speaker 5: to these matters. I've spoken to Representative Burchett about this matter.
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Speaker 5: So we're not talking about science fiction. We're talking about
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Speaker 5: science fact with regard to what these individuals were working on.
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Speaker 5: The directed energy weapon that you have mentioned is a
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Speaker 5: real weapon, obviously, and as mister Milburn has described very
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Speaker 5: very in very detailed fashion, it's essentially a microwave, a
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Speaker 5: focused microwave energy beam that is capable of cooking you
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Speaker 5: from the inside out. It'll penetrate through a window, it'll
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Speaker 5: penetrate through drywall. So all these things taken together, it
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Speaker 5: is it is a very serious national security threat. To
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Speaker 5: go back to General McCausland, he was responsible for managing
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Speaker 5: the funding of eighty percent of the military's SAP programs.
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Speaker 5: Those are special access programs, which, as the name denotes,
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Speaker 5: are access controls of some of the government's most highly
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Speaker 5: classified information. And of course his work at Right Patterson
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Speaker 5: with regard to the Air Force's Research and Development program.
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Speaker 5: I think that's like a two billion dollar program he oversaw.
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Speaker 5: So he's literally a walking hard drive of highly classified information.
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Speaker 5: So the FBI is going to be very, very interested
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Speaker 5: in determining what exactly has happened to him.
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Speaker 1: I've listened very carefully to his wife's nine one one
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Speaker 1: call John Nance, and she said specifically, I don't think
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Speaker 1: he wants to be found. I think he plans not
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Speaker 1: to be found. I've noticed that none of the families
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Speaker 1: want to speak out. It's almost as if they're afraid.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Frank Milburn former British intelligence officer who knew
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Speaker 1: Amy Eskridge very well, and he is joining us now
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Speaker 1: to the rest of the penalty. Please stay with us
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Speaker 1: as I go to mister Milburn.
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Speaker 2: Several of the scientists leave their homes and vanish without
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Speaker 2: their phones, while others are found dead, prompting concerns of
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Speaker 2: a sinister pattern rather than random events.
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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight a special guest, A guest that has
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Speaker 1: intimate knowledge regarding the death of Amy Eskridge, as you
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Speaker 1: all know by now, brilliant, brilliant scientists. Frank Milburn joining
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Speaker 1: us former British intelligence officer who knew Amy very well,
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Speaker 1: and he spoke with Amy just hours before her death.
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Speaker 1: Now correct me if I'm wrong, Frank. First of all,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us tonight. But Amy Escridge, brilliant scientist,
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Speaker 1: was found with allegedly a self inflicted gunshot wound to
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Speaker 1: the head Huntsville, Alabama, near the NASA Space Station, which
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Speaker 1: is not just in Florida, but also in Huntsville. She
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Speaker 1: texted with you so very disturbing information. First of all,
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Speaker 1: tell me about your relationship with Amy.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, certainly, I mean we met online. At first I
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Speaker 6: thought it was an anonymous accountant. I thought it was
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Speaker 6: a very amusing middle aged scientist who was ranting about UFOs,
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Speaker 6: but in a very very intelligent and funny way. And
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Speaker 6: then slowly we got in contact that way, and slowly
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Speaker 6: she revealed to me who she was, and I realized, Wow,
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Speaker 6: this is a brilliant young scientist. And I did my
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Speaker 6: background checks on her as well, because that's what I do.
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Speaker 6: And then over the course of the year, we we
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Speaker 6: got to know each other extremely well.
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Speaker 1: So you were pinpals of sort for over a year.
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Speaker 6: Yes, initially we weren't talking about UFOs. Sorry, we were
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Speaker 6: talking about UFOs. But slowly is she kind of you know,
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Speaker 6: I got her confidence, and she got my confidence. She
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Speaker 6: started to tell me about the harassments and all the
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Speaker 6: things that happened to her, and also shown me the proof,
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Speaker 6: you know, showed me the videos and the photos and
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Speaker 6: things like that. And also as well, she was you know,
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Speaker 6: I should be at work and she'd put me on
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Speaker 6: a video with her coworkers as well, and they'd be
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Speaker 6: telling me the same thing. So there's absolutely no doubt
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Speaker 6: in my mind as to what was going.
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Speaker 1: On with her. I want to talk very briefly about
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Speaker 1: Amy's studies. Again a brilliant scientist. Now to my understanding,
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Speaker 1: of course, I'm just a trial lawyer. She was studying
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Speaker 1: anti gravity, is that correct? Anti gravity propulsion?
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Speaker 6: She was interested, yes, and anti gravity. She was in
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Speaker 6: interested in free energy, which is the extraction of energy
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Speaker 6: from the ether and potentially unlimited amounts, which would obviously
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Speaker 6: change the whole way you know that we that we
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Speaker 6: have and produce energy on Earth and potentially would help
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Speaker 6: you know, every poor country in the world. But it
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Speaker 6: could also be very dangerously used as a weapon. What
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Speaker 6: she was actually used working on when she was attacked
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Speaker 6: with the directed energy weapon that's been heavily doctored. That
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Speaker 6: was especially documented with videos, testimony and other witness there.
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Speaker 6: She was actually working for Homeland Security on a project
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Speaker 6: which would defend US subways across the continental United States
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Speaker 6: from chemical, bio and radiological attack. So, you know, across
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Speaker 6: the board, she had a very interesting portfolio of things
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Speaker 6: that she was interested in and working on. But you know,
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Speaker 6: she was an American pet's circle.
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Speaker 1: Back to what you just said, Frank Milburn, that she
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Speaker 1: was working with Homeland Security on methods to protect public
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Speaker 1: transport in the US. Could you expand on that place.
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Speaker 6: Yes, certainly she and a colleague they were approached. I
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Speaker 6: actually went to sat in on a couple of the
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Speaker 6: meetings with people senior members from Homeland Security and from
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Speaker 6: another agency that I'm not going to mention. Amy was there.
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Speaker 6: A contact of mine was there who was ex American
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Speaker 6: Special Operations, and there was one of her coworkers was there,
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Speaker 6: and they were basically discussing with Homo Security everything from
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Speaker 6: directed energy weapon attacks, but the specific project that they
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Speaker 6: were working on was to design a system whereby all
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Speaker 6: the subways across the continental United States could be protected
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Speaker 6: from a biological, chemical, and radiological attack a detection system.
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Speaker 1: Effectively, mister Meilburn joining US former British intelligence officer. The
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Speaker 1: reason I wanted you to tell us a little bit
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Speaker 1: more about her project she was working on with Homeland
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Speaker 1: Security is that many people, many naysayers, are suggesting that
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Speaker 1: she was somehow had mental or emotional problems. I find
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Speaker 1: that very difficult to believe, as a former FAED myself
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Speaker 1: working for the government legal career, that Homeland Security would
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Speaker 1: enlist the aid of any scientists that had a mental impairment.
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Speaker 1: I find that very, if not impossible, difficult to believe. Now,
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Speaker 1: Amy thirty four years old, had also been researching, as
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Speaker 1: I first mentioned, anti gravity, advanced technology with anti gravity propulsion.
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Speaker 1: And what is interesting about that to me is anti
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Speaker 1: gravity propulsion. When we think of aircraft of any type,
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Speaker 1: a plane, a helicopter, or rocket.
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Speaker 3: We.
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Speaker 1: Are within the framework of our known laws of gravity.
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Speaker 1: But anti gravity jet propulsion would mean that the aircraft
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Speaker 1: could go up down, side to side and at rapid
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Speaker 1: rates of speed, unlike anything we have ever seen. Isn't
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Speaker 1: that true?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. And I mean if you're looking now,
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Speaker 6: we're looking the next big step for mankind is colonization
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Speaker 6: of space effectively and exploiting space's mineral resources and also
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Speaker 6: exploiting space strategically. I mean, you know, they've just gone
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Speaker 6: to the moon Atomus and they're looking for their have
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Speaker 6: a base and then be able to jump to Mars.
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Speaker 6: So if you had this anti gravity technology and also
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Speaker 6: free energy potentially, you know, as a fuel system for
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Speaker 6: other propulsion, you'd be streets ahead of anybody using or
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Speaker 6: streets ahead, you'd be light years ahead of anybody using
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Speaker 6: traditional rocketry technology.
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Speaker 1: Also, she was working with her father, doctor Escridge. They
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Speaker 1: had founded a research institute together on something called t
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Speaker 1: R three B t R three B, which is a
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Speaker 1: triangular type of aircraft that she thought would be suited
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Speaker 1: to that would be compatible with her anti gravity jet propulsion. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is very hard for most of us to take in.
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Speaker 1: Most of us are not literally rocket scientists like Amy
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Speaker 1: and her cohorts. I want to talk to you about
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Speaker 1: the text that she sent you just before her death.
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Speaker 1: What did she say.
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Speaker 6: Well that the immediate text sort of in the month
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Speaker 6: before her death was you know, if I committed suicide,
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Speaker 6: I didn't. If you hear that, if I overdosed, I didn't.
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Speaker 6: If you hear that I killed myself or anybody else,
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Speaker 6: I didn't. And this was text to myself. There were
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Speaker 6: other texts to other people, you know, co workers. I
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Speaker 6: just got a message actually, you know, the day before
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Speaker 6: yesterday from somebody i'd been in contact with a very
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Speaker 6: close friend of Aby who was also subject to attacks,
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Speaker 6: who just said, like, no way did she commit suicide.
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Speaker 6: And you know, well done for putting out there. They
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Speaker 6: don't want to put it out there because they've been
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Speaker 6: attacked and they have, you know, they have things to protect.
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Speaker 6: So this was over a course of the year. Then
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Speaker 6: she's votually who is they being attacked? I'm sorry, who
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Speaker 6: is they?
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Speaker 1: Who do you think they I'm not in disagreement. I
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Speaker 1: am not in disagreement because the best way to cover
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Speaker 1: up side is to make it look like a suicide.
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Speaker 1: And I have personally investigated and prosecuted cases where the
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Speaker 1: victim was portrayed as mentally imbalanced having committed suicide, when
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Speaker 1: in fact they were the victim of a homicide. When
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Speaker 1: you say they have a reason to kill her, I
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Speaker 1: assume you could be talking about a foreign entity that
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Speaker 1: wants to extract, use, and implement her work. It could
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Speaker 1: be corporate espionage, someone that wants that technology, those ideas
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Speaker 1: to make money off of it. It could be a
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Speaker 1: jealous coworker. I don't know what it is. But when
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Speaker 1: you say they had reason to kill her, who, in
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Speaker 1: your mind is they?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you somebody. Initially I looked at her,
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Speaker 6: you know, I was looking thinking, you know, like the grou,
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Speaker 6: Russian military intelligence or the Chinese. But you have to understand,
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Speaker 6: this is an actor who over actors over a period
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Speaker 6: of like maybe three years or even more, were harassing her.
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Speaker 6: Over a period of time vehicle surveillance, directed energy weapon attacks,
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Speaker 6: social engineering, break ins, hacking. That's a lot of movie.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, Frank, you got me
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Speaker 1: drinking out of the fire hydrant. That's too much, too fast. Okay.
25:17
Speaker 1: You mentioned the potential of Russian military of Chinese intelligence,
25:22
Speaker 1: and I don't know why that seems so hard to believe.
25:26
Speaker 1: Difficult to believe. How many people do Russian intelligence have
25:31
Speaker 1: to throw out a window or poison with perfume. We
25:35
Speaker 1: hear about it all the time. This type of espionage
25:41
Speaker 1: happens all the time right under our noses, so it
25:45
Speaker 1: is not difficult to believe it could be happening here.
25:48
Speaker 1: But you mentioned being harassed, harassed, and also you mentioned
25:56
Speaker 1: a directed power hit on her body from which she
25:59
Speaker 1: allegedly sustained multiple bruises and showed them two people. And
26:04
Speaker 1: when we're talking about that, is it something I can two?
26:07
Speaker 1: For instance, a Havana syndrome.
26:10
Speaker 6: This wasn't alleged, it's all documented. And I actually showed
26:13
Speaker 6: you know, the images of her to a doctor friend
26:16
Speaker 6: of Maya and she said, yeah, those are consistent, you know,
26:18
Speaker 6: with with the directed energy microwave weapons Havana syndrome is
26:21
Speaker 6: mostly acoustic, but these were the directed energy microwave weapons
26:25
Speaker 6: that literally, you know, fry your body, fry your central
26:28
Speaker 6: nervous system, fry your spine, give you all kinds of
26:30
Speaker 6: gas and testin promise. But the point that I was
26:32
Speaker 6: coming to after before was that this was an actor
26:37
Speaker 6: which had a lot of resources on the ground and
26:39
Speaker 6: that managed to pass for a long long period of
26:41
Speaker 6: time basically unimpeded, and that may or may not have
26:44
Speaker 6: been able to suborn or subvert law enforcement and authorities
26:48
Speaker 6: at local, state, and federal level. Okay, so they avoided
26:52
Speaker 6: counterintelligent scrutiny. When Amy went to talk to the FBI,
26:56
Speaker 6: she said, thanks Frank for sending this up through your friend.
26:59
Speaker 6: She talked to the sb FBI for three months, and
27:01
Speaker 6: then the FBI turned around and said, we don't have
27:03
Speaker 6: jurisdiction on this case to cover this case. Well, hang on,
27:06
Speaker 6: they are the count intelligence agency domestic for the United States,
27:09
Speaker 6: So why didn't they have jurisdiction? I don't get that.
27:13
Speaker 1: Well, as a matter of fact, we have learned. I
27:15
Speaker 1: learned last night that the FBI without invitation, which is
27:19
Speaker 1: very unusual in our country for the FBI to jump
27:23
Speaker 1: into an alleged homicide or an alleged missing person case.
27:27
Speaker 1: They have jumped feet first into the disappearance of General
27:31
Speaker 1: mccaslind So I find that very curious that they are
27:35
Speaker 1: taking jurisdiction in that case. And there are calls from
27:39
Speaker 1: Congress to have hearings on this issue of the missing
27:44
Speaker 1: and dead scientists, so apparently they are now getting involved.
27:48
Speaker 1: We just showed a photo of Eskridge's red hands. What
27:53
Speaker 1: is that?
27:55
Speaker 6: That was when she was working literally on that project
27:58
Speaker 6: for Homeland Security and she was I think about six
28:01
Speaker 6: stories up, but they got hit with a directed energy
28:03
Speaker 6: weapon and she got burnt on her hands, not on
28:07
Speaker 6: her face. I believe it was on her hands. So
28:09
Speaker 6: something directed specifically in her hands. And there's another scientist
28:12
Speaker 6: that actually sent you the videos. There's another scientist with
28:15
Speaker 6: her in the background and you can hear him say
28:17
Speaker 6: it's a directed energy weapon, a microwave directed energy weapon.
28:20
Speaker 6: So there's two witnesses there, two scientists who are expert
28:23
Speaker 6: witnesses and able to describe exactly what is happening to them.
28:26
Speaker 1: What is that? See For many of us, that sounds
28:29
Speaker 1: like a futuristic movie plot, but it's not it's in
28:33
Speaker 1: the here and now directed energy attack. What is it?
28:38
Speaker 6: Well, there's her air gap computer there, and then she's
28:40
Speaker 6: basically been pounded with microwave weapons. She's saying in this case,
28:44
Speaker 6: it's basically trying to build three dimensional picture of her
28:47
Speaker 6: hands to see what she's tiping on because she's removed
28:50
Speaker 6: the Wi Fi card from the computer so that it
28:52
Speaker 6: can't be hacked. Because she suffered so many hacking attempts.
28:55
Speaker 6: I mean literally every other day she was doing a
28:57
Speaker 6: completely clean install on all her computers on her firms.
29:01
Speaker 1: What was it, Frank Milburn that was so sensitive that
29:05
Speaker 1: she was working on?
29:08
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it could be you know, you either
29:11
Speaker 6: she was. She had all this harassment that was leading
29:13
Speaker 6: up to it, So I presume that was I assessed
29:15
Speaker 6: as wanting to her to desist from the work. Okay,
29:18
Speaker 6: she was never offered a job. Nobody ever said here's
29:20
Speaker 6: some money, come and work for us. It's like they
29:22
Speaker 6: wanted her to desist from it. And then they did
29:26
Speaker 6: these microwave energy weapons attack, knowing that would debilitate her
29:28
Speaker 6: so that she'd be unable to continue with her work slowly,
29:31
Speaker 6: and then eventually because she was too stubborn, she ended
29:36
Speaker 6: up dying. Now, I can't say, Hanne on my heart,
29:38
Speaker 6: that was murder, when I can say it was very
29:40
Speaker 6: very suspicious. And you will say a lot of people saying, no,
29:42
Speaker 6: she was off her meds, she was crazy, she was
29:44
Speaker 6: this or that. I spoke to her every day. She
29:45
Speaker 6: called me four hours before she died and she said
29:47
Speaker 6: that she was feeling fine. Okay, Now, did she have stress, yes,
29:51
Speaker 6: Did she have PTSD certainly? Did she have hyper vigilance certainly,
29:55
Speaker 6: because she was under constant attack the whole time and
29:57
Speaker 6: anybody normal would so. But she wasn't her loo. She
30:00
Speaker 6: wasn't delusional. You could see that every day. And you
30:03
Speaker 6: know she's going to work, she's on the car, in
30:05
Speaker 6: the car talking to me for half an hour. She
30:07
Speaker 6: gets to work, she's talking to me again from work
30:09
Speaker 6: with her co workers. This is someone who is, like
30:11
Speaker 6: you know, functional and working at a very high level scientifically,
30:15
Speaker 6: a highly intelligent woman.
30:17
Speaker 1: Now, you submitted findings regarding this to Congress and you
30:22
Speaker 1: concluded Escris did not kill herself. Isn't that true?
30:27
Speaker 6: Well, what I said is that it's highly suspicious, and
30:30
Speaker 6: I believe that she'd been killed by an aerospace company
30:33
Speaker 6: or you know, as as I said before, an actor
30:35
Speaker 6: that had the impunity and the ability to be able
30:37
Speaker 6: to act on the ground undiscovered for so long. So
30:43
Speaker 6: I just think that we need to start with looking
30:45
Speaker 6: at the directed energy weapon attack on her when she
30:47
Speaker 6: was doing on that project for Homeland security, and then
30:49
Speaker 6: all the harassment, and then work forward from that and
30:51
Speaker 6: see how that could have led to her death. That
30:53
Speaker 6: would seem logical to me.
30:56
Speaker 1: Question, could you explain in rudimentary terms what you mean
31:03
Speaker 1: by a directed energy attack? How does that work?
31:07
Speaker 6: Okay? Sure, So you have basically there was a Russian
31:10
Speaker 6: guy who was caught with one, I believe two years
31:12
Speaker 6: ago in the States and it was in a congressional
31:14
Speaker 6: hearing in twenty twenty four. You can have like a
31:16
Speaker 6: pickup truck or a vehicle. You have like a sort
31:20
Speaker 6: of an emitter. It's like a it emits, what's like
31:23
Speaker 6: you know, a club like microwaves, like you nege in
31:25
Speaker 6: a microwave oven, but in a very focused way. So
31:28
Speaker 6: then you have like a power source as well, which
31:30
Speaker 6: you can carry in the vehicle, and then you point
31:32
Speaker 6: out the window and it will go through dry walls
31:35
Speaker 6: as well, and you know it. Depending on the power
31:37
Speaker 6: of the emitter, it could be anywhere from like fifty
31:39
Speaker 6: meters to one hundred meters maybe more. I don't claim
31:41
Speaker 6: to be a technical expert on directed energy weapons, but
31:44
Speaker 6: you point it where you want it to go. Presumably
31:46
Speaker 6: before that you will have established a pattern of life,
31:48
Speaker 6: so you would know roughly where. Okay, so at nine
31:50
Speaker 6: o'clock she goes down to her laboratory or whatever, and
31:53
Speaker 6: then you'd set up the directed energy your weapon emitter
31:55
Speaker 6: in your vehicle and wait for her to be in
31:57
Speaker 6: a specific point in space and time and then hits that.
32:01
Speaker 1: Frank, why are you speaking out?
32:08
Speaker 6: Because she trusted me too, and it was what she wanted.
32:11
Speaker 6: And I really, you know, I didn't want to at
32:14
Speaker 6: all because I know the upset that it brings to
32:16
Speaker 6: her family and her loved ones. But I've had support
32:19
Speaker 6: from her coworkers and her friends who are saying, you know,
32:21
Speaker 6: you need to do this. I was basically her dead
32:23
Speaker 6: lady's switch. She trusted me when I first met her
32:26
Speaker 6: and she first revealed who she was, and she started
32:28
Speaker 6: telling me about this. She said, because of your background,
32:30
Speaker 6: you will believe what I'm saying, because you will understand
32:32
Speaker 6: the tradecraft. She goes, if I go to the cops,
32:34
Speaker 6: they will think I'm crazy because this harassment was designed
32:37
Speaker 6: in such a way, going through the panty drawers and
32:40
Speaker 6: all the other things with design in such a way
32:41
Speaker 6: that if you went to the cops and said this
32:43
Speaker 6: is what's going on, they would think that she was crazy.
32:45
Speaker 6: She said, you will not think I'm crazy. And she goes,
32:47
Speaker 6: if anything happens to me, here is all the evidence,
32:49
Speaker 6: and I want you to get it out there.
32:51
Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is Frank Melbourne, who knew Amy Eskridge
32:57
Speaker 1: very well. Eskridge had founded a an institute, a research
33:01
Speaker 1: institute with her father, and together they were exploring many
33:06
Speaker 1: many advanced technological theories that suddenly under her skilled hands,
33:14
Speaker 1: were no longer just theories, including anti gravity jet propulsion. Frank,
33:20
Speaker 1: can you imagine what a foreign entity or a private
33:26
Speaker 1: corporate entity would pay, what they would give, what they
33:30
Speaker 1: would do to get that knowledge, that technology that she
33:34
Speaker 1: had created.
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah?
33:37
Speaker 6: I think. I mean maybe it was a case of
33:39
Speaker 6: they'd developed developed it themselves and they didn't want her.
33:43
Speaker 6: In her own words, and upstart young brilliant young scientists
33:46
Speaker 6: stealing their lunch as Amy would say, but you know,
33:48
Speaker 6: this cuts to the very heart of American democracy if
33:50
Speaker 6: you can potentially subvert you know, local, state, and federal
33:54
Speaker 6: law enforcement. And I want to you know, I came
33:57
Speaker 6: forward as well because I want to prevent other sciences
34:00
Speaker 6: another young, brilliant, young scientist from being killed. I want
34:04
Speaker 6: to you know, the United States is my ally. I've
34:07
Speaker 6: always worked with Americans in an out of uniform, you know,
34:10
Speaker 6: in peacetime and in war. So America is a country
34:13
Speaker 6: that I love, and I love America's people, and I
34:16
Speaker 6: think America is a great democracy. It's the greatest democracy
34:18
Speaker 6: in the world, and that has to be protected and
34:21
Speaker 6: this kind of activity fundamentally is rot at the heart
34:24
Speaker 6: of that democracy.
34:25
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Frank Milbourne, you are risking a lot
34:31
Speaker 1: to come forward, and we are truly and deeply grateful.
34:35
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Melbourn.
34:37
Speaker 6: Well, thank you by having it out there. And I've
34:38
Speaker 6: sent you all the files. Then if anything happens to me,
34:40
Speaker 6: then you've got another story. Eh.
34:45
Speaker 1: I don't consider you a story. I consider you to
34:47
Speaker 1: be a very very brilliant now friend, and we will
34:52
Speaker 1: do our best to get Amy's facts. I don't want
34:56
Speaker 1: to say story out there. I'm very disturbed by the
34:59
Speaker 1: autops findings that this was immediately determined to be a
35:03
Speaker 1: self inflicted wound. Very curious what is her family's position
35:08
Speaker 1: on this, because I've noticed that many, the majority of
35:12
Speaker 1: the families connected to the missing and dead scientists refuse
35:18
Speaker 1: to give a statement. They don't want to put this
35:22
Speaker 1: out there. They don't want to be part of it.
35:24
Speaker 1: Why is it, It's almost as if they are afraid.
35:28
Speaker 6: People are afraid. Yes, I can't comment on the family.
35:33
Speaker 6: You'd have to ask them. In fact, don't ask them
35:34
Speaker 6: because they don't want to be asked. I know that
35:36
Speaker 6: for a fact they won't have anything to do with this.
35:38
Speaker 6: It's the very last thing that they want. It's not
35:39
Speaker 6: going to bring their daughters back, and it's not going
35:41
Speaker 6: to bring my friend back. But if it can stop
35:43
Speaker 6: somebody else being killed or harassed and basically having their
35:47
Speaker 6: life rude, because don't forget, Andy was completely isolated as well.
35:49
Speaker 6: She couldn't have a boyfriend, she couldn't see her friends,
35:51
Speaker 6: she couldn't do anything because anybody who was around her
35:54
Speaker 6: would be liable to attack as well. So you know,
35:56
Speaker 6: it was just a total isolation and a total spectrum
36:00
Speaker 6: harassment on her, and I'm very very sorry for everything,
36:04
Speaker 6: and I'm very sorry for having to speak out, but
36:05
Speaker 6: I believe that it's fundamentally important to do so for
36:08
Speaker 6: all the reasons that I outline.
36:10
Speaker 1: You know, we Americans, thank you British, are way too polite.
36:13
Speaker 1: You do not have to apologize for telling the truth ever,
36:16
Speaker 1: and we are deeply, as I said, grateful. I cannot
36:20
Speaker 1: ignore that. Before her death she said, if you read
36:25
Speaker 1: I committed suicide, I did not. I will not. I
36:28
Speaker 1: did not commit suicide. And then suddenly she's dead from
36:32
Speaker 1: a self inflicted gunshot wound in Huntsville, Alabama, where the
36:36
Speaker 1: NASA another NASA space station is. Thank you for being
36:42
Speaker 1: with us tonight, mister Milburn. Thank you.
36:44
Speaker 6: Thank you estentionally You've given it, given it and the
36:46
Speaker 6: dignity that you've given her, and I appreciate that very much.
36:50
Speaker 6: From it all across the media that I've spoken to
36:52
Speaker 6: you so far, Thank you very much.
36:59
Speaker 1: Crimest with Nancy Grace. Each of these victims had high
37:07
Speaker 1: or top level security clearance at specific national research facilities.
37:15
Speaker 1: Many are connected by facilities such as the Air Force
37:19
Speaker 1: Research Lab, Los Alamos and more NASA. In other words,
37:26
Speaker 1: more than one victim can be linked to a single
37:29
Speaker 1: facility into each other. For instance, Chavez working with Casseias
37:37
Speaker 1: at Los Alamas, vanishing within weeks of each other, both
37:41
Speaker 1: having top clearance, but seemingly the connection is McCaslin John Nance.
37:48
Speaker 5: It's not surprising for someone who was in his position
37:51
Speaker 5: to be connected to so many people in this R
37:55
Speaker 5: and D community. A particular note, I think is read
38:00
Speaker 5: this work with what's called memory metal, and it's that's
38:03
Speaker 5: a little bit different than the material that you mentioned earlier.
38:09
Speaker 5: And to kind of go back to the right Patterson
38:12
Speaker 5: Air Force Base connection, this memory metal is believed by
38:15
Speaker 5: many people to be a material science's direct descendant of
38:20
Speaker 5: material that was recovered at the Roswell crash and delivered
38:25
Speaker 5: the right Patterson Air Force Base. That that that information
38:30
Speaker 5: is not in dispute that whatever was recovered from Roswell
38:33
Speaker 5: was delivered to Right Patterson. So her work with regard
38:37
Speaker 5: to that particular metal is a very very interesting connection.
38:42
Speaker 5: I think people are afraid to speak out about this
38:44
Speaker 5: topic because well, the the government entities have been very
38:49
Speaker 5: very successful in conducting a disinformation campaign with regard to
38:53
Speaker 5: the American public. So you mentioned UFO, and people immediately
38:58
Speaker 5: begin to snicker, right, And that's because of the disinformation
39:03
Speaker 5: campaign conducted by members of our own intelligence community. And
39:08
Speaker 5: it's in a large part for good reason. I think
39:12
Speaker 5: that the American public, as Burchett and Representative Luna and
39:17
Speaker 5: others have made very clear, the American public should be
39:20
Speaker 5: aware of this information. I think there are certain aspects
39:24
Speaker 5: of it that, for national security reasons, should probably remain classified,
39:28
Speaker 5: but the government shouldn't be hiding the fact that UAPs exist,
39:35
Speaker 5: and we have almost incontrovertible evidence to that fact. One
39:41
Speaker 5: of the hearings was attended by Lieutenant Commander Fraver, probably
39:45
Speaker 5: one of the most credible UAP witnesses that we've heard from,
39:51
Speaker 5: and he's the individual that was involved in the very
39:54
Speaker 5: famous tic TAC video and his testimony on Capitol Hill
39:59
Speaker 5: with regards hard to the capabilities of the unidentified phenomena
40:06
Speaker 5: that he witnessed far exceed anything that our material science
40:11
Speaker 5: can hope to achieve.
40:14
Speaker 1: At this point, mister Nance, you mentioned UAPs. I assume
40:18
Speaker 1: you're referring to unidentified anomalous phenomena.
40:24
Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, that's the new word.
40:27
Speaker 1: For you, and that is yes, you know, that is
40:32
Speaker 1: precisely mister Nance. Why I have not mentioned UFOs since
40:36
Speaker 1: the beginning of tonight's program because I do not like
40:41
Speaker 1: these victims to be thrown in the pot to stew
40:45
Speaker 1: with all the UFO and alien conspiracy theorists, because it
40:50
Speaker 1: minimizes the fact that these are brilliant scientists, all the PhDs,
40:56
Speaker 1: brilliant in their field and known to be brilliant. As
41:00
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Amy Eskridge actually worked with Homeland
41:04
Speaker 1: Security and as did all of these scientists. They were
41:10
Speaker 1: all top level with secret security clearances. So the government
41:17
Speaker 1: is not going to allow that with a bunch of crackpots.
41:22
Speaker 1: Very simply put, what do you make of the disappearance
41:28
Speaker 1: of McCaslin. His wife did not say he committed suicide.
41:33
Speaker 1: His wife said he doesn't want to be found. And
41:37
Speaker 1: I know for a fact the mother, Melissa Cassius, would
41:41
Speaker 1: not have willingly left her daughter just walk out without
41:46
Speaker 1: any ID, without phone, with nothing, and never seen again
41:51
Speaker 1: like this is like so many of the others. It's
41:54
Speaker 1: the mo the modus operanda, the method of operation. They
41:56
Speaker 1: all just walk away with no identification and are never
42:01
Speaker 1: seen again. It is almost as if they are in
42:05
Speaker 1: fear for their families, obviously not in fear for themselves.
42:08
Speaker 1: There's Melissa right there. She just dropped off a subway
42:11
Speaker 1: sandwich for her daughter, as she's never seen again. And
42:15
Speaker 1: this is true of nearly all of the missing. What
42:20
Speaker 1: do you make of it, John.
42:23
Speaker 5: Well, Another interesting data point about Melissa's disappearance. I believe
42:28
Speaker 5: her husband stated that he observed her using her her
42:34
Speaker 5: security card at the facility, and then later she made
42:38
Speaker 5: this statement that she needed to return home to retrieve
42:42
Speaker 5: her identification card. So that's a very very strange data
42:49
Speaker 5: point with regard to her disappearance. And as to Amy
42:56
Speaker 5: Amy Escridge's story, the fact that she was working with
43:01
Speaker 5: Homeland Security would argue against these allegations that she was
43:06
Speaker 5: suffering from some sort of mental disorder or distress. I
43:11
Speaker 5: would assume she would have some level of security clearance
43:14
Speaker 5: with Homeland Security, especially given the type of thing that
43:19
Speaker 5: she was working on. I believe some sort of subway
43:23
Speaker 5: defense system. I don't really know a lot of the
43:26
Speaker 5: details about that, but.
43:28
Speaker 1: Yes, unfamiliar with it, John, She was working on a
43:31
Speaker 1: project that would protect Americans on subways and other rapid transit,
43:39
Speaker 1: and she was heavily involved in that. So I find
43:43
Speaker 1: it difficult to believe that a scientist working on a
43:46
Speaker 1: project for the government is crazy. For lack of a
43:50
Speaker 1: better word, Chrismal Lord joining us WUT science editor Daily Mail.
43:54
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, back to one of the
43:57
Speaker 1: victims that have received very little attention, and that is
44:00
Speaker 1: the mom I keep referring to Melissa Cassius. Did you know, Chris,
44:04
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did that when her effects were found
44:09
Speaker 1: there at her home that she left behind. Both her
44:11
Speaker 1: work phone and her cell phone had been factory reset.
44:15
Speaker 1: Both of them had been wiped before she went on
44:18
Speaker 1: a walk that afternoon.
44:21
Speaker 3: Yes, it is very highly unusual. Basically, she had a
44:25
Speaker 3: work phone, personal phone, everything was left in her house,
44:29
Speaker 3: all of her possessions, her keys, and she was just
44:32
Speaker 3: walked out without them. I mean, for a phone to
44:34
Speaker 3: be completely reset, basically leaving no trace of who she
44:38
Speaker 3: was in contact with. Highly unusual. The former intelligence agents
44:43
Speaker 3: that we've spoken to, former members of the sci definitely
44:47
Speaker 3: see something that needs to be investigated at the federal level.
44:51
Speaker 3: And onto, if I may veer off to es Gridge
44:56
Speaker 3: for a second, we also have her text messages provided
44:59
Speaker 3: by Frank Milburn regarding the threats against her life that
45:04
Speaker 3: we've just published as well, uh and the work that
45:07
Speaker 3: she was doing in this regard. So, I mean, these
45:10
Speaker 3: people left breadcrumbs for the world to find, and we're
45:15
Speaker 3: just trying to put these pieces together and ask the
45:18
Speaker 3: questions that haven't been asked at this point.
45:21
Speaker 1: Chris Malo joining US Deputy Science Editor, Daily Mail, Brian Fitzgibbons,
45:25
Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security. Frank Milburn, you former British intelligence and
45:32
Speaker 1: John Nance, former supervisory special agent with the FBI over
45:37
Speaker 1: twenty years. If you know or think you know anything
45:43
Speaker 1: regarding these deaths and disappearances, please dial eight hundred Call
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Speaker 1: FBI eight hundred two two five, five three two four.
45:56
Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jesse Perez Dawson
46:01
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's, Texas, killed in the line of duty, leaving
46:05
Speaker 1: behind a wife now widow, Linda, and three daughters, Mackenzie,
46:11
Speaker 1: Zoe and Shelby. American hero Sheriff Jesse Petes Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,