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Joe Rogan Experience _2412 - Adam Carolla(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out the Joe Logan Experience, Train by Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan Podcast by Night, All Days.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening, Oh man, everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a few years, man, Yeah, that's time. I
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: saw you.
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  Speaker 1: I think I saw you outside of the ice house.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're coming in doing a set. You got
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  Speaker 1: a land cruiser or something ls slop engine. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you showed it to me, and I think I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it. I went to your house to do
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  Speaker 1: the podcast early. Yeah, up Deep Valley, up the hill,
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: and then I think you got your place sort of
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  Speaker 1: down Strip Mall, kind of kind of placed down in
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  Speaker 1: the flatlands.
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  Speaker 2: Of the valley.
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  Speaker 1: Went there. Yeah, and I think that it's been a
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  Speaker 1: million years.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a while. Time flies, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's so sad, you know what, you know
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  Speaker 1: what you know, it's sad. It goes so slow when
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  Speaker 1: you're young and miserable, you know what I mean. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm old and happy and rich, and it just flies by,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all the stuff you
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  Speaker 1: want to do, and it's just it just goes right
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  Speaker 1: by you. And then when I was like thirteen, I
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  Speaker 1: just sat in a class and stared at the clock
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  Speaker 1: and just went, God, damn.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it is. It's relative. It's a percentage
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  Speaker 2: of your life. No, when you're ten, a year is
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  Speaker 2: ten percent of your life, right, you know, when you're
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  Speaker 2: fifty five, a year is really quick.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It just sucks that. Like I remember going
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: back to school in September and going when's Christmas vacation?
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  Speaker 1: And they'd go two months and I'd go, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: no way, that's too long. And now it's just goes
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  Speaker 1: flying by. But now it's good and you'd want it
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  Speaker 1: to slow down. Yeah. I always think of life is
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  Speaker 1: sort of like driving to San Francisco from La Like
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  Speaker 1: the first time you do it, it takes a long time,
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  Speaker 1: and the fiftieth time you do it, it's like nothing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the relative part.
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  Speaker 2: You get used to it. Yeah, yeah, it's uh, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, just got to live in the moment and
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it while it's here. Hope, hope it works out,
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  Speaker 2: hope something's next or not.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, that moment, you know, that that thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like that thing where people have a
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  Speaker 1: near death experience and then they swear they're going to
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  Speaker 1: change their ways. And they're going to appreciate everything and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to do all that. I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: works some people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've met people that have had near death experiences
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  Speaker 2: and completely changed who they are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if it's worth trying to have a
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  Speaker 1: near death experience. The promise is that's too close to death.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's really what kind of a person are you?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a reflective person? Are you an introspective person?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think about the way you think in the
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  Speaker 2: way you live, and do you analyze it and decide
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  Speaker 2: whether or not this is a good way to proceed
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  Speaker 2: or whether or not you need to make adjustments. Some
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  Speaker 2: people don't. They don't look, they don't self analyze, they
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  Speaker 2: don't course correct, they just don't. And so something comes
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  Speaker 2: along home changing everything. But you never change anything in
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  Speaker 2: your whole fucking life. You've never done that. You've never
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  Speaker 2: exhibited that kind of will, you never had that kind
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  Speaker 2: of discipline. So like, how are you going to change now?
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  Speaker 2: You're not. You're going to say you're gonna change, then
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go right back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I went to high school with all
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  Speaker 1: those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Me too.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, right.
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  Speaker 2: But most people don't know how to live. Yeah, don't
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  Speaker 2: understand that you're you are in control the way you
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  Speaker 2: think about things. It's one of the only things you're
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  Speaker 2: in control of.
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  Speaker 1: Well, change is like one of the greatest gifts we have.
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  Speaker 1: Like it really if you think about perks of being
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  Speaker 1: a human being versus being a hyena or any any
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  Speaker 1: other creature, it's you get to change. And then so
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  Speaker 1: many people just squander or that gift, which is the
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  Speaker 1: greatest gift, and they just go, I'm not and then
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  Speaker 1: you're sort of no different than any other animal if
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  Speaker 1: you just sort of stay the course, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: the ability to grow and change and transform is such
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  Speaker 1: a gift that people completely squander.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard because you have to change the way
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  Speaker 2: you think. You have to decide that you've been doing
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  Speaker 2: things wrong. And people don't like to do that. They
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  Speaker 2: don't like to admit fault. They don't like to look
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  Speaker 2: at themselves in a negative way and analyze what they've
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  Speaker 2: done wrong and be critical of themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, everyone is crazy externalizer now and young
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  Speaker 1: people have it more than our generation. We can't tell
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  Speaker 1: them stuff. They just push back on everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's encouraged to think that everyone else is the reason
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  Speaker 2: why you are not happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, but I think growing up and
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's just being coached a lot, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: like you got coached a lot. I got coached a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's just dudes telling you you're doing something wrong all day,
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  Speaker 1: every day. And I believe they did it because they cared,
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  Speaker 1: because they wanted you to get better, because they wanted
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  Speaker 1: you to succeed, they wanted to win, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: I just got used to being coached, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: just got used to people just yelling at you, a dummy,
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  Speaker 1: you're fucking up, fix it, do it right. And it
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  Speaker 1: never felt like criticism to me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, even if it is criticism, it doesn't matter. It's
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  Speaker 2: like if coaching is good, Like if you can be coachable,
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  Speaker 2: that's like one of the best indicators that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to do well in life if you could take direction
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  Speaker 2: and instruction from someone who knows what they're talking about. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to learn something like say, if you
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  Speaker 2: want to learn jiu jitsu, you have to listen. You
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  Speaker 2: have to really listen. And the people that don't listen,
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  Speaker 2: they don't get better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I shouldn't. I shouldn't have said criticism. It
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  Speaker 1: was criticism, But that's fine. I it's just how you
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  Speaker 1: digest it, you know what I mean. It's criticism that
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  Speaker 1: go constructive criticism, or it's just criticism. You're doing something wrong,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. Now how do you perceive it? How do
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  Speaker 1: you ingest that?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Also, how do you look at yourself? Do you
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  Speaker 2: look at yourself as like do you think of yourself
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  Speaker 2: as only being valuable if you're good at a thing, right,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're not good at that thing, do you
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  Speaker 2: take it as a slight against you? Or do you
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  Speaker 2: just understand that you are a person, This is you,
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  Speaker 2: and this thing you're doing is something you don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to do as well as this person is teaching you.
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  Speaker 2: And if you can do that, then you can get
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  Speaker 2: better and then getting better at anything that you are
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  Speaker 2: trying to do. That's difficult. Any discipline, that discipline becomes
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  Speaker 2: a vehicle for developing your human potential. If you can
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to get good at that by listening
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  Speaker 2: to this person and then proceeding and seeing the steps
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  Speaker 2: of improvement, you could apply that to everything in life.
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  Speaker 2: But if you never learn how to do that, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get stuck.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I've been thinking about. I've been thinking
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  Speaker 1: about how insecure a lot of people are and how
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  Speaker 1: they really react when you tell them something criticism or
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  Speaker 1: coach them. But I think it's their insecurity that's reacting.
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  Speaker 1: And then I sort of realize, like, you have a
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  Speaker 1: skill set, you have multiple skill sets, right, and you
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  Speaker 1: take just martial arts, you know, Okay, you know it,
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  Speaker 1: You're comfortable with it, You're real secure about it. You
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  Speaker 1: know your abilities, and you know your abilities as a comedian,
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  Speaker 1: and you know your abilities is an archer and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. So you have a bunch of stuff that
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  Speaker 1: you know you own. And for me, like I'm a builder,
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  Speaker 1: so I have a skill, so I have a trade,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And so I don't feel insecure. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's stuff I know and then there's other things
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  Speaker 1: I do know, but I don't walk around with that
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  Speaker 1: insecurity that I realize like a lot of people they
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  Speaker 1: don't have a trade, they don't have a skill, they
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  Speaker 1: don't have really anything who they could call expertise, Like
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  Speaker 1: you would go, you know, what are you an expert at? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you would go, I can teach UFC Mixed martial arts
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  Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. I can do that. I can do this, podcasting,
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  Speaker 1: stand up comedy. Like there's fields of expertise, speaking another language,
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  Speaker 1: mastering an instrument, you know, things like that. And I
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  Speaker 1: realized so many people just are there's just nothing.
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  Speaker 2: They've never found a thing that they'll.
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  Speaker 1: Find a thing, and they're so insecure and they walk
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  Speaker 1: around in this heightened state of insecurity and then somebody
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  Speaker 1: runs into them somewhere at an airport or a Starbucks
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  Speaker 1: or something and they start ripping off, you know, throwing furniture,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, why are you in the state all
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  Speaker 1: the time? And I realized it's an insecurity and how
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  Speaker 1: would it feel like how would Joe row can feel
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  Speaker 1: walking around not having a black belt, not being successful
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  Speaker 1: at stand up, like, not having any expertise. It could
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  Speaker 1: be a really vulnerable feeling. Yeah, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's most people, yes, Yeah, most people just get jobs
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  Speaker 2: and they never really find a thing where they can
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  Speaker 2: throw themselves into it and watch the improvement and understand that. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I know that I started this out at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: and now I'm really good because I put in so
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  Speaker 2: much time and so much effort so I know that
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  Speaker 2: I have that in me. I know I have that willpower.
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  Speaker 2: It's also like some people just don't have good brains.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a fact, you know. It's like some people
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  Speaker 2: are born with big ears, some people have small ears.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have shitty brains. And that's just true. I've
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  Speaker 2: met a lot of people. They're just dull. They're just
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  Speaker 2: dull minded and dull witted. And even if they threw
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  Speaker 2: themselves into something, they don't have the horsepower. They have
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  Speaker 2: a nine volt brain. It sucks. But that's just reality,
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard not to look at them through your
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  Speaker 1: lens because you go, come on, man, the sunshine and
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  Speaker 1: let's make some Hey, let's go. There's so much to do,
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: and they're like huh, and you're like, come on. The
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  Speaker 1: saddest thing for me is when I talk to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: but especially a young person, I go, what do you like?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do? What's your thing? And they go,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I like I like video games. I go, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: but what's your passion? You know, what do you want
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  Speaker 1: to get into? And they go watching a lot of Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: I go, no, man, like, what is your thing? What
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  Speaker 1: do you want? To get your hands on, and they
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  Speaker 1: just go, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they've probably never been introduced to something like that.
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  Speaker 2: The problem with video games is it'll steal your thing,
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  Speaker 2: like video games. If there was a thing maybe that
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  Speaker 2: maybe you were into golf or maybe you're into something,
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  Speaker 2: video games will steal your time. They'll steal your design
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  Speaker 2: because they're so fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I think I think there's a problem with like satiation,
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  Speaker 1: like you'll feel satiated, like you'll you'll say I did
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  Speaker 1: something right. It's like you didn't do anything. You simulated
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  Speaker 1: doing something.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you're a professional video game player, and then you
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  Speaker 2: can make a lot of money. So it is weird
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  Speaker 2: because he used to tell you you're playing video games,
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  Speaker 2: you waste your time, But then you find out that
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  Speaker 2: some people playing professional video games are making a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money. Like those StarCraft guys. What does a good StarCraft,
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  Speaker 2: like the best StarCraft player make, Like they have sponsorships
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  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but they're making millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Right, It is weird that you could no longer tell
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  Speaker 1: your kids that's a crazy idea that I'll never work.
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  Speaker 1: How about those Twitch guys, That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: These guys play video games all day on Twitch. They
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  Speaker 2: make a ton of money.
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  Speaker 1: I know you couldn't. I mean there was a time
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  Speaker 1: when we started someone young said I want to do
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  Speaker 1: a podcast. You'll go. Come on, you gotta get a
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  Speaker 1: real job. That's not gonna work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Howard Stern. So this guy Surral, his name
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  Speaker 2: is Juna Sotala. He's from Finland, and he made one
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  Speaker 2: point eight million total earnings. So yeah, South Korea one
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  Speaker 2: point three million. Chose Sung too. Park Young Wu made
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  Speaker 2: one point one nine million. Yeah, so they're making money.
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  Speaker 2: But this is like only the top five. So top five,
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  Speaker 2: you get to the bottom of the top five, it's
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  Speaker 2: one million, one point one Okay, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Can't do it. I bought a video game once and
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  Speaker 1: it was a World War two one and I thought
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  Speaker 1: I was going to go to the deck of the
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  Speaker 1: ship and shoot at some zeros who were dive bombing
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  Speaker 1: our ship. But the video game started below in the barracks.
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  Speaker 1: We're in our bunks and a torpedo hit and I
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  Speaker 1: could never get to the deck. I couldn't I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get out of the bunk. I kept getting I kept
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  Speaker 1: burning up in a fire in the bunk, and after
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  Speaker 1: twenty times of trying to get to the deck, I
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  Speaker 1: just abandon it. And I also just realized there's just
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of shit I'm not good at and I
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  Speaker 1: don't care to even try. I think there's another part
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  Speaker 1: of life where you have to kind of go what
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  Speaker 1: are you good at? What are you not good at?
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  Speaker 1: And when you're not good at something, you should just
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  Speaker 1: pay somebody to do that. And that's where I'm at.
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  Speaker 2: Play somebody to play video games for you. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: mean like type but yeah, of course, yeah I hear it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I hear you. Yeah you don't. Yeah, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: want to do everything and things that some people enjoy
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  Speaker 2: like whatever, whether it's golfing or video games or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It is, like, you got to find out what you like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hopeful, pink just stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the things that's missing in school is
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  Speaker 2: introducing people to the possibility of things they might like. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: what do they do? They just teach you stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't work for me.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not good for that didn't work for me either.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well look at you now, I know.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a weird thing. It's like there's no there's
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  Speaker 2: no consideration of alternatives. There's no like, hey, you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of a wise ass. You thought about being a comedian.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can make a lot of money doing comedy.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody ever says that to you.
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  Speaker 1: No, I never had that. It was it was a
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  Speaker 1: weird thing because it was always a sort of shut up.
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  Speaker 1: So it was the opposite of encouragement, which is be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Be quiet. You're disruptive. So by nature, comedic nature is
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  Speaker 1: to sit in the back of the class and pop
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  Speaker 1: off and try to entertain an audience which is sort
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: of built in, which is the classroom. But it is
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: interesting that they then offer an award called class clown.
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  Speaker 2: Did they offer an award for class clown?
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  Speaker 1: My high school I was class clown, so I got
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  Speaker 1: the class clown designation. But all through high school I
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: was told to shut up by every teacher, which is
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  Speaker 1: a weird. It's a backhanded compliment, but it's a weird
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  Speaker 1: message to send to the clown, which is shut up,
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  Speaker 1: shut up, shut up. Here's your award at the end
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  Speaker 1: for talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is weird.
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  Speaker 1: I would get rid of the award or stop telling
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  Speaker 1: everyone to shut up all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's undermotivated teachers that are underpaid.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Well, who attracts you know, I'm thinking about, like, who's
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: attracted to that profession. It's sort of people that have
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I know, we have to call them heroes, but they've
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: kind of opted out of the private sector. They're just like,
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  Speaker 1: I want consistency. I don't care if I'm underpaid as
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: long as I never stop getting paid and I can
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  Speaker 1: retire early and I have a place to go. And
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: it's a kind of a version of life where you're
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: not telling people to chase their dreams and explore the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: possibilities because you you're in this place right now where
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: you didn't chase your dreams. You're just here, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, save the ten percent who love kids or
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: just want to work with kids. But most my teachers
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  Speaker 1: were miserable.
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  Speaker 2: Most, yeah, miserable and very uninspiring. And this made you.
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  Speaker 2: I used to have nightmares after I left high school
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  Speaker 2: that I failed and I had to go back. I
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: have nightmares. Yeah, but I didn't get my diploma.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's funny. I wanted to go back because I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to play football like that. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: go to I didn't want to go to class, but
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  Speaker 1: I would have dreams about going back to play like
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  Speaker 1: one more year football. Oh that's funny, because it's all
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and it was the only thing
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  Speaker 1: I was good at, you know, back back then, and
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  Speaker 1: at once I got out of high school, it was
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: just you know, construction sites, garbage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I just didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was fighting at the time, but I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know like what I was going to do with
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Did anyone tell you like, I never had anyone go, hey,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you should do comedy, like that seems to be your
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: thing or it seems to be what you're interested in
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: or where your proclivities are. I never had that. I
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: didn't have anyone my family say, didn't have any of
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: my friends said. I never had a teacher say it.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I never never a guidance counselor shoulday it? Never? It
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: never came up in my life, did it?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: It did? Yeah? For you. With me, it was guys
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: that I would go to tournaments with. So we would
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: all be scared because we'd be on a bus or
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: something traveling out of state to go to some tournament,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and everybody'd be like real nervous because it's a real
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: good chance you might get kicked in the head and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: knocked unconscious, and I would be the guy that broke
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the ice. I would be making fun of everything and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: making everybody laugh. And my friend Steve, who's Steve Graham,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: who's a good friend of mine still to this day.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: He was older than me at the time. I think
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I was like sixteen and he was probably thirty thirty
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: one somebody. He's an ophthalmologist, and he's like, you should
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: be a comedian. And I was like, you think I'm
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: funny because you like me. I'm like other people are
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: gonna think I'm just an asshole, like right, And he's like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I think you think you could do it. I think
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: you could do it. You should just go to an
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: open mic night and check it out. And I went
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: to an open mic night and that's when I understood that, oh,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: everybody starts out at the beginning and you're terrible. When
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I thought of comedian, I thought Jerry Seinfeld was Jerry
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Seinfeld from the jump. He's just really good and really
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: funny and great jokes. And Richard Pryor same thing. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: didn't realize, like it's a thing that you get better at,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and then when I watched people do it, I goes like, oh,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: these people are terrible. I could do this. It's one
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of the things Jenny Richard Jenny said those terrible comedians
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: are great because they inspire people to try it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you in that sense. Like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I remember, like I always go, oh, this guy's excellence inspires,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan inspires and I'm like, no, he's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: too good.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: He he those like I remember being young and watching
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like Dennis Miller do a special and I'd go, I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: could never do that. R that's too much. Where do
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you where are all these words coming from? How do
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you remember them all? How does he even know what
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they mean? Like, no way am I pulling that off?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But later on, when I was driving a truck, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to the construction inside every day, I would listen to
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: morning radio in LA and I'd listen to these morning
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: teams and I'd go, oh, shit, I can do that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Like I was inspired by their inability to be consistently funny.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And it is a weird thing where people do that.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: They always think the best is going to bring it
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: out in you, but it's intimidating. Sometimes you have to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: see people that are mediocre at their job for you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to think, oh, hell, I can do that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Certainly at the beginning, you know, like if you walked
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: right into a gym and as you like Terrence Crawford
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: T shirt and wearing, and Terrence Crawford's working out, it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the first time you ever worked out, and someone says,
• 19:41
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• 19:43
  Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? I'm not I
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: can't spar with him. No, yes, because he's too good.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But if you see someone who's like at your level
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  Speaker 1: The real danger is when they go you want a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: spar with that guy over there, and then you go,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: who is that guy? And I go, I don't know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's just some gym guy, and it's Terence Crawford. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: then you're really, you really get demoralized because you didn't
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: even know who he is. And sometimes you'll run into
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: those guys early on before they are who they are
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and you realize, oh, I got my ass kicked by
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: this guy turned out to be a champion, but at
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the time I just saw it. Something was wrong with me.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then you just realize, like some people
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: have a giant head start, you know, whatever it is.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe they started earlier in life, Maybe they have family
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: members that are really good it's whatever it is, boxing
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is. Maybe they got really good coaching
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: early on. Maybe they have great genetics, maybe they're just
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: naturally fast. Maybe they just have a mind for the game.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of the fast
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: twitch stuff and the rhythm stuff, like some guys are
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have a the rhythmic you know, you can it's a rope.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: There's that, but there's also like the most important things
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: understanding the skills, understanding technique, and some people just get
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: bad coaching. And if you get bad coaching, you get
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: like a kind of coach he just wants you to
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: brawl all the time when you're sparring and you never
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: really learned the finer points. Yeah, they don't stop you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and say look, you gotta you gotta stop that job
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: here and then counter you know, well.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I I found at least when I taught boxing that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: most of the coaches were boxers. Like my jim was
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Mike Weaver, ex heavyweight. Then I remember Mike Weaver, he
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: was a brick shit out. Oh my god, you look
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: like a body builder. Yeah, it's crazy. Even when I
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: worked with him when he was forty eight or something,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: still look like that. But so Weaver and then his
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: uh half triplet brothers, the fighting riplets, Troy, Floyd and Lloyd.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: By the way, they're all fighters, right, And I realized
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: there were good fighters, but they didn't know how to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: teach fighting because because they couldn't verbalize it and they
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't intellectualize it, they just did it, you know. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it's not always the guy. So a lot of time
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they got ex fighters. This guy's an ex champ, he's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: an excess and ex that. That doesn't mean you're good
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: at teaching it. That just means you did it, and
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: we're good at it. But you can't always articulate it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and describe it. And like my thing was, I wasn't
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: an ex champ, but I knew how to articulate it
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: better than these guys. And I could use these, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: metaphors and examples and stuff like that. I would end
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: up being a good boxing coach. Not because I had
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: all this ring experience. It's because I understood it sort
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of intellectually.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: You know, some of the greatest boxing coaches of all
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: time weren't good fighters or we're okay fighters, like Freddie
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Roach perfect example. Its a journeyman fighter, but one of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the best boxing coaches ever. Emmanuel Stewart, same deal, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: world champions.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I always liked the Emmanuel Stewart because he he coached
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Vladimir klitch Go. But he couldn't say the word Vladimir.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: He just go Ladimir, Vladimir. It's like his name is Vladimir.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: It's not. It doesn't start with an L. It starts
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: with the V. If you you listened to him talking
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to Vladimir Klitchko, he just called him Latimir. And I've
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I interviewed Vladimir cleitch and I did. He said, I said,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he called you Vladimir your whole career, any went yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: So the way he pronounced it, like it's a name
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and it starts with a different letter, just called Vladimir
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the whole time.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Gave up. He was the But Emanuel Stewart was the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: first guy to figure out that training in the heat
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: shout out, yeah, get in there. Yeah, that training in
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the heat was great for your cardiovascular system. Kronk Jim
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: used to crank it up. Kronk Jim is like one
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: hundred degrees in there. Yeah, like a hot yoga room.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they put that was it abilene. They called
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: it sweat stuff on and then they put you in
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a garbage bag and all that. God damn.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They would always put abilene on you before you
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: worked out. I always thought that was weird to get
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: your sweat going. I was like, I'm kind of sweat,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's weird. It was a part of the boxing world.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Like when you get Ringside magazine, they would sell abilene
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: like these big fucking jars of it. I, as far
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: as I could tell, was pretty much just vasileine.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know what was different.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: About some slippery oil, that's for sure. Yeah. Which it's
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: interesting because in MMA, that stuff is like that's shunned
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: like you you like, because you get in trouble if
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you grease yourself up, because there's guys that grease and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: right what they do to cheat is they'll put baby
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: oil on the night before and they'll like literally soak
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: in baby oil and then they'll take a shower, and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: so when they show up to fight, their skin is
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: dry and so they don't have a baby oil. But
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: as soon as they start sweating, that baby oil comes
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: out of their pores and they are slick like a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: fucking trout. Like you can't get a grip on them.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I bet you could probably convince someone to drink baby
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: oil when you started sweating. I just love that. Whatever
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the sport, whether it's MMA or f one, there's always
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: someone trying to shave a tenth, just trying to figure
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: out some way around just to pick up a little advantage.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, so human. It's so human. Victor Kante just
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: died recently. He's the the Balco guy. I interviewed him
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: on the podcast back in the day. He was the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: guy that got Barry bonds and on that stuff called
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the Clear. So they figured out a steroid that would
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: evade testing. It was something that you just wipe on
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: yourself and it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Was oh really yeah, yeah.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Highly effective. And it's just people look in the skirt
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: around the rules and find something that works that they
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: can't detect.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: It's such I mean it's what happens when you are
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: attracted to competition. I think so the people who aren't
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: attracted to competitions sit around and go, why would you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: do that? Or how dare you do that? Or this
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: guy's wrong for doing it. But you don't run an
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: F one team. But if you're attracted to a job
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that makes you a trainer in UFC or running an
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: F one team, you'll probably be a person who's attracted
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to competition, thus attracted to winning, and then at some
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: point your livelihood will depend on it and you'll try
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to you'll try to do everything you can do.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting with steroids, though, with baseball in particular,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: there's never been a sport that rejected steroids as hard
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: as baseball did. Like you remember the Maguire Samy Sosa era. Sure,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: like when we found out those guys were juicing, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: we kind of all knew they were juicing, but once
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: we found out they were juicing, everybody was so mad
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: at them because you had defamed our great American national pastime,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: which is baseball. I don't cheated a baseball.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I love it when I don't know. Bob Costas gets
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: all and Billy Crystal get all upset about the majesty
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of baseball and how you've ruined the sanctity of it
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Baseball was always kind of a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: pussy sport for me. Like I thought, if you're a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: real dude, you play football and then maybe box or
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: wrestler or something like that. But baseball was kind of fun,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Like I played baseball in baseball. At baseball practice, you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: got to play baseball, you got to hit, you got
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to field. You essentially played baseball. You didn't have a game,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but you'd be out in the field hitting the cutoff
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: or up at bat patting practice, where you literally played baseball.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: In football, I never touched a football. You're just pushing
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a sled and getting some tackling drill, running laps like
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: they just torture you. But you don't play football. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: played football for ten years and never touched a football.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: We didn't. I wasn't. I played linebacker and guard and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: there was no football. There's just me blocking guys who
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: were touching a football or trying to tackle a guy
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: touch football. Football practice is the worst football practice, just torture.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Did you wrestle?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't have wrestling in my high school. Really
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: we didn't have like it was. You know, I know
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a little more East Coast. I think, like lacrosse and
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: certain things are kind of regional. We didn't really I
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: grew up in North Hollywood. Like, they didn't have hockey,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they didn't have lacrosse, didn't have wrestling.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Didn't have wrestling. Oh god, I think wrestling was one
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: of the most important lessons and hard work that I
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: ever got, oh.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: For sure, like running bleachers and cutting wave and.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Carrying people around. Yeah, I had a brutal coach too.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Our coach was brutal. Yeah, it was awesome. Wrestling taught
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: me a lot.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Wrestling practice and football practice or not dissimilar. It's just
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: torture young people essentially and kind of try to break
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: them a little bit. And wrestling is probably more torturous
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: than than football. But football is hot because it's the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: San Fernando Valley or wherever, Florida, and you're outside and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you're in a uniform. You're just baking in the sun,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and they didn't want to give you water because they
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: thought it was bad for you. But really, thinking back
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on it, dum, well, it wasn't. I think they didn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: want to do it because they thought it would make
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you soft.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: They thought you would get cramped up.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Well they would say, yeah, they say you're going to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: cramp up, but there's another underlying point, which is you
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: would enjoy it. And they didn't want to do anything
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that you enjoyed. Like they the whole thing was, we're
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: going to torture you. And if you want water, then
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you're not getting water.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: When you hear something crazy. When I was a kid,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: when I was fighting, I didn't like that I wanted sex.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that I desired pleasure because I thought
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it was weak, because I thought that anything soft and sensual,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: anything that feels good, is going to make you weak, right,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: because all I was thinking about was competing, and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about keeping an edge on everybody, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that sex was like damn it. Like I didn't like
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that I liked it. I thought it was a weakness.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Did you have crazy?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Did you have like a pillow on your pad? Where
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: does it stand?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: My girlfriend was really horny a hump.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I just meant you'd be more comfortable with that pillow
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: and you wanted the eye of the tiger.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: No, it didn't I mean it didn't stop me from
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: having sex with my girlfriend. But it did make me
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: feel like that was a weakness.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: But don't you feel I I feel like I fall
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: back on my misery and those two a day practices
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: in the San Fernando Valley getting yelled at my coach
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and being on a construction site and sort of getting
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: yelled at by forman and like just doing sort of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: miserable donkey work all day. As I get older, I realize, oh,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: everything seems pretty simple and pretty easy compared to that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And I realized I talked to a lot of people
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that never went through that, and so they don't really
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: have They're not calibrated like like sometimes like ever since
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I got out of construction and into comedy, I've never
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: looked at comedy as work, you know. And then sometimes
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: they'll go, oh, then when I add a second show
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and I go, yeah, go ahead, and someone
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to go, you really want to work that much? I
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: got it. It's not. It's not it's air conditioned, no
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: one's yelling at you. It's fun, free beer, it's fun.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: People like you, what do you mean? And they'll go,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you want to work that hard on the weekend, you know?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And I go what work. It's not work compared to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the work I knew from back in the day. But
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: then I realize I do deal with a lot of
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: people never had that baseline, and so they never had
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that misery and they never had that experience. And so
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: for them, their baseline is sort of air conditioning and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a four to one k and a coffee maker, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: it's not you know, using a porta potty and eating
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: lunch on a pile of plywood and eating off a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: lunch truck and all that kind of stuff. So drinking
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: off a hose, no air conditioning like that world. So
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they don't have a base. They're not like calibrated, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: so for them, a second show is a lot of work,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: or working on a weekend or doing whatever.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: It's that old expression, the worst thing that's ever happened
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: no matter what it is. So if you've lived an
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: incredibly sheltered life and the worst thing that ever happens,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: so you get a mild fender bender, right, and you
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: can't believe it and your world is ended and you're
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: just sobbing and weeping. Or if you're a guy who's
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: lived a fucking difficult, hard life and then you get
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: in a fender bendy like, oh they'll fix that, we'll
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: fix that, no worries, and then it's gone. You don't
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: think about it at all. You just think about it. It's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: just as there's a debt in my car now, no
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: big deal.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've always thought that, you know, when it came
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to boxing or a sport like that, that you know,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: people go, oh, you know how to box, so you
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: could use your hands, and then you have an advantage,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, if some drunk guy comes at you or
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: something like, you can use your hands so you know
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. But I always thought the real advantage
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: is being used to having someone punch at you all
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the time. That was sort of the real advantage of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: not freaking out if somebody throw a punch. If you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: just get used to people throwing punches, then you know
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: how to react, and that was the advantage. It was
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: more like being used to being knocked around and punched
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and having people throw stuff at you, versus you knowing
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: how to throw back. The real advantage was not being
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: phased like when stuff was coming at you. And I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: think that's analogous to sort of this advantage to our
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: past misery is how relatively easy everything seems now.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: If you have a group of brothers and they all
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: start competing and fighting, the toughest ones, the youngest one
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: always really almost always, almost always, because that's the one
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: that's been fucked with by everybody else, by the middle brother,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: by the older brother. The youngest brother I always looked to, like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that's the savage. Just watch if that kid can make
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: it through, he will be the one. He will be
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the one.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So let's see, is that Stephen Baldwin? Which Baldwin is that?
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be Stephen. I think right.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: That, I know I got, I got, But that's.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: A different thing.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're beating.
• 35:44
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• 35:48
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I like about you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: is I always stuck with me. Years ago, when I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: interviewed you, I said your biological dad. Do you ever
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: have a desire to get back in touch with him
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: or reconnect or whatever that was. And I think he
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: went no, screw him, Like I don't. I never knew him,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: so I don't need to redo something that never was done. Yeah,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: and I I like that. I mean I respect it.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's people do too much, like come on,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: he's your blood. I'm like, if you don't know him,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you don't know him, like I always, I don't know.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's stuck with me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Hmm. Well, I think family's nice if they're nice, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: if they're great people and you want to be in
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: touch with them. But I don't think he's to spend
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: any time with people that you don't like a great
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: family or not. I don't think it matters.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I think my life was sort of saved by friends,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: just having really good friends all the time, and I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: sort of realized my family wasn't going to provide what
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: my friends would provide, and I just hung out with
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: my friends.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Well, that's also why people join gangs. Yeah, yeah, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: mean that becomes their family because everybody has a desire
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to be a part of a tribe, and everybody has
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a desire to have a good team and good people
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: that care about you. That's a big motivating factor for
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: human beings.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Thank god North Hollywood didn't have a strong crip or
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: blood connection back in the day, because I probably would
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: have joined out.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Sure, it's probably exciting. It's probably exciting, especially if you
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: get away with a few things.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, it's tried and it's true,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: like it works.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: It's been around for a long time. It's the reason
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: why the gangs in New York look goes all the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: way back then.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes I'm sure throughout the dawn of humanity
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and history. But yeah, and I mean we've our own
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: gang with just a bunch of dudes who did stupid stuff,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you know. But it wasn't drive bys and that shit.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: It was just a group. It was a tribe, not
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: necessarily a gang.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we did things. We would do stuff to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: each other, but not to society. Yeah, like that was
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: kind of our code, Like we would torture each other
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and do unthinkable things to each other, but you couldn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: go mess with civilians. Yeah, that was crossing the line.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: That was fun too. I've been paying attention to a
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: lot of your stuff covering the Palisades fire and all
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that stuff, And I think I'm really glad that there's
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: someone like you out there that gets to shine light
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: on these things and show people how fucked up this
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: whole thing was. You know, we talked about on the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: podcast that you immediately once the fire happened, you were like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: no one's rebuilding, Like you don't understand the Coastal Commission,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you don't understand the permitting process. This is going to
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: be like this forever. Yeah, and you're right, look at
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: here we are. It's almost a year later, right, how
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: many months later? Is it ten? Eleven?
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Ten and change?
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, No one's rebuilt the house.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: No, there's a little bit of building going on in
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the Palisades, but there's zero in the coast. Yeah, there's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: no coastal anything. And I've been monitoring it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: How much has grown on the Palisades? How many houses
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: it been rebuilt?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, less than five percent, but
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it's scattered, Like I toured one that was being framed
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: for the latest vlog fireflogs.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: You do rebuild what is surrounding you just wreckage?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You imagine you're on a hill and you just the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: husks of burnt down houses are your view.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah. Fun, Yeah, basically you're living in an ashtray. Yeah,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you put a double wide in an ashtray.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Who knows what the fuck is in that ground? Well,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, No, it's all bad and burning and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: melting and all the chemicals and electric cars and all
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: that shit has gotten into the water table. It's all
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: on the ground. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Well, some of it's in the bay because it rained
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and they just flowed into the sea. I mean it's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a it's a it's a mire of muck and yeah,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: it's hard.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Is it still bad?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: No, it's okay, I mean sort of filtered out. You're
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: talking about the ocean or the Yeah, I mean it's
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: it's livable. I don't know, you know, I don't know
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: if your doctor would recommend it, but it's it's livable.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: But the thing that I've always known is I've always
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: known how burdensome regulation is in Los Angeles, and and
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's invisible. And that's why we don't have housing,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and that's why houses are too expensive, and that's why
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: there's no homeless shelters and housing and all that stuff
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: is because it's so burdensome to build that make it
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: so difficult to build that people don't build. And I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: knew this is what was coming, but other people didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: really know it because they've not dealt with the city,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: plan check, regulations, plan approval engineering, like this is stuff
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I've been doing my whole life. So I knew early
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: on that this wasn't going to happen. And I think
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: people who live in Los Angeles are sort of naive,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like they just think the Coastal Commission and the City
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Council and Plan Check and building and safety like they're
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: there just to facilitate this stuff. They're not there to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: facilitate any of it. They're there to deter it. They
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: want you to go away, is basically what it is.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: So I knew none of this was going to happen.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But also there's a thing that I don't think anyone
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: really is aware of, which is they are so overregulated
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that they make it so difficult to build that people
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: can afford it, and they're then stemied by it, and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: they tend to just get discouraged and they go away.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: They don't do it. So what they do is like
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I was friends with Suzanne Summers and Alan Hammel, and
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: they lived in Malibu and they loved Malibu, and then
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: their home burnt down years ago. This was another fire,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and then they wanted to rebuild the home, but the
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Coastal Commission made it so difficult that after five years
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of trying, they just went fuck it and they moved.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: They moved to Palm Springs, but they wanted to live
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: in Malibu, but they they couldn't. And it is so
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: regulated and so difficult, and the hoops they make you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: go through, and the engineering is insane. There is one
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: place that they're building on on Pacific Coast Highway, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I've been down to the construction site and I've looked
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: at it. They're sinking six foot six story cason, so
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: sixty foot cason cage. They have to drill so cason.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: You just drill into the earth and you use a
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: huge augur bit and the holes like thirty inches around
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and you go down six stories and then you drop
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a rebar cage into it and then you pump concrete
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: into it and that's your cason. There's a house and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it's a small lot. They're going to have sixty of
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: these things into the ground before they can start building.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Is this because of the instability of the ground, like
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: landslides and stuff like that. Well you get a lot
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of that in Melibou, right.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So here's what California does. They go, we're an earthquake
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: country or whatever they do. But I've lived in houses
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: in California that were built in nineteen twenty three, in
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine when they had none of this stuff
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: and they had none of the technology, and they saw
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: their way through many earthquakes and they're just there. So
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: they blamed stuff like earthquake or co or whatever it is,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and then they make you go two thousand times further
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: than you needed to go. And I was talking to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a guy. I said, how much into this foundation before
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you can start building? He said two point five million
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: dollars into the ground. That's the ground that's before.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: The first And is this a new standard?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Well, what they do is they just add new ones
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: every year, so it just keeps getting more and more
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: and more, and then eventually that house becomes it becomes
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: impractical to build there because it costs too much money,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and then you don't have houses. So that's what we
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: do with all housing in Los Angeles and that's why
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the city Council's like, we need more housing, and it's like, well,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you're not going to get more housing, bitch, because you're
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: overregulated and no one can reach that standard and it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: too expensive.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's also then it's not consistent with the
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: houses that are already Okay, Like, how about those houses
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: that are like on the side of a hill with
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like poles, just poles stuck into the growlly. Half the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: house is hanging over the hill. Oh.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing about Malibu is the Malibu Pier is
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five years old, and that's just
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: telephone poles going into the ground. Yeah. I mean all
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they did back then is take a pile driver and
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: just mash a telephone pole into the ground and then
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: they build. They built. Many of the houses that burnt
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: down were on those because they were like from the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: forties and the fifties, so the foundation was fine, it
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was the fire that got the house.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Is anybody developing a legitimate fireproof house?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that like cement outside?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean basically what they're doing is they're doing
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a cement Yeah. So's it's like the walls are like
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: modular and it's filled with like foam and like sort
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of a wire cage, and then the outside they spray
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: on gunnite, which is like light weight cement and just
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: like tral it on. So the inside the outside is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: essentially cement, but you know, a stucco house is basically
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: cement too. Like really, what they're doing now is they're saying,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna frame the houses the way we always frame
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the houses with wood, because I think a lot of
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: people go, well, why aren't they using steel or metal
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: studs or concrete, or like, why are they using why
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: aren't they using noncombustible materials? And what they're doing essentially
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: because I just walked one of these houses in the Palisades.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: They're building it in a traditional way using wood, but
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: they're making the outside fireproof. They're not going to have
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the eaves the raftertails hanging out, the wooden rafter tails
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: hang out. They're not gonna have the vents to vent
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the attic where the embers can get into the attic
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and then get to the wood and cost because most
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of it was just stuff blowing into the attic and
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: then the house ignited sort of from the inside out.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: So if you do a flat roof, a metal roof,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and you do a stucco glass aluminum, and you don't
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: do the rafter tails or the eaves and you don't
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: have any way. Then essentially you have this combustible house
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: with a hard candy shell around it that with nothing
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: combustible on that, and so the fire can't get started, essentially.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: And how many houses have that, because you would imagine
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of houses have been built in the Palisades
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: since like the twenty eighteen fires. There was fires before that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I remember there was a fire in the nineties. Because
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: it's a funny story. Me and in JB. Smooth were
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: doing a show in New Jersey and this was like
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: probably like ninety two something like that, and some college
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: in the middle of New Jersey and it was hard
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to get and there's no navigation back then, so it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: hard to get to and so you had to file follow,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you know, right on this road left and you had
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: a piece of paper your phone, and so I got there.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I left early. JB wasn't there yet. I was supposed
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to headline, and uh, they were like, well, we're gonna
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: wait for JB to start the show. I said, okay,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: so I sat down on the wreck room when I
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: started watching this documentary on the Malibu fires, so whatever
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Malibu fires, this was back then, and this guy was there,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: were calling this kid was calling for his dog, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: it was this guy was crying, he was a fireman.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: He was just weeping and I was like, so depressed.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: And then they go, look, JB's not coming. He's he
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: hasn't been here yet. We can't reach him, so we're
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: just gonna have you go up. I'm like okay, and I.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Wiping the tears away.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I wad just fucking flat out bombed. I just bombed.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: And then he came in. He finally figured out how
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: to get there. So I brought him up and he killed.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: It was it was.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: A burden of the guy lost this dog.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: It was a very valuable lesson. Do not watch anything
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: depressing right before you go on stage or listen to
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: anyone that's depressing. Like if people start saying depressing shit
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: to me in the green room, I'll just go stop.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I can't do this right now, Like I gotta go
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: on stage.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I'm a compartmental lie. Really I could watch a documentary
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: on the Holocaust and then walk out on stage and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: go right into it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: I can't do that. That's not me. Yeah, I can't
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: do that. I get too empathetic.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I just it is.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I start thinking what would I do? What would I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: do if I was them? And the fuck I can't
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: believe this. But the point is those fires had always
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: been there. Like Flee didn't Flee lose his house up there.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people, yeah, a lot of listen.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I when I was a carpenter in that I think
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: it was probably the later eighties, I built a house
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: up I mean it wasn't my house, but I worked
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: on a house like I was doing finish works. I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: was like hanging doors and doing base and case and
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: stair railings and like I was doing the fin I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: was like the finish guy. And I showed up on
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: one of our jobs. You know, we had a few
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: jobs going on. I worked for this outfit, but I
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: worked there for like six months, just doing all the
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: stair railings and the doors and everything, and that house
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: burned to the ground. Like I went up there some
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: years later, there was just a foundation there. And remember
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: but to speak of me and being able to watch
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: a dock on the Holocaust and then go out and
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: do comedy. I was sitting outside. I was with somebody,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and all it was was the foundation, the whole place.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And I said, man, I remember being here, like shaping
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: the oak and making the railings and turning the turning
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the oak and getting my router around and putting the
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: finish on and everything it's all gone. And somebody went, wow,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: how does it make you feel? And I went, I
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: got paid. I'm cool. Now let's go watch a Holocaust movie.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you lost your house in this fire? Right? No?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I lost everything in front of my house and most
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: everything behind my house, and like almost everything to the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: right and the left. Wow.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Literally, yeah, did you make just luck?
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Wow?
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I wish it was you know. I wish I did something.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I wish I could claim something. I couldn't. I didn't
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: do anything. There was burnt stuff on the roof of
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: my house. I could see where it kind of got started.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: But everything in front of me is gone, and a
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff behind me, and probably fifty sixty percent
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like I was an outlier for sure, like I.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Any houses in your neighborhood burnt down? Most of them? Oh?
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Of them? Oh yeah, most of them?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Most well? So pch everything is gone, and yeah, I
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: would say I'm in the ten percentile or something like.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: It was. Really the odds were not good.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: And you're still living in that house, yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: After many months of being out. Yeah, but I'm building.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Not allowed to go back to your house.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was had to flee that night, had
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: to go, stayed a hotel in Burbank or something, and
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: then basically just watched the news and I could see
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: once in a while in the news they'd cut to
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: a spot where you'd go, oh, that's the restaurant in
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: front of it, and it was a blaze like everything.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Every time they cut to something around my house, it
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: was all on fire. So I was like in Burbank
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and I was sitting in a hotel room and I
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: was like, well, it's gone. It's gone for sure. And
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: that's when the following day I did my podcast from
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: the Burbank hotel room because the winds were so strong
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: that the power was out to my studio, but the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: power was on at this hotel I was in, so
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I just sort of set up in the living room
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: of the hotel and that's when I delivered my none
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: of this Shit's Gonna work speech, which is like, you know,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: the difference. It was like the opposite of whatever Winston
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Churchill would have done. I'd done the opposite, like, don't
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: even try to build. The city's going to fuck you up.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: It's never gonna work. And that was like eight That
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was like eight hours after the fire. I was like,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: you're not getting a permit and you're not rebuilding.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: You were right. Yeah, in the two thousand and eight fire,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen fire, rather when I was living in Bell Canyon,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: three houses in front of me burnt to the ground.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Like I would say, like maybe twenty percent of the
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: neighborhood burnt down. It wasn't wasn't quite as bad as Malbow,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: but it was, you know, three houses right in front
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: of our house. It was just dumb luck that our
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: house didn't catch fire. And some things did catch fire.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Our fence caught fire. We had that shitty equestering fencing,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the shitty kind that's made out of plastic. Yeah, that's stuff.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Just fucking caught fire, just was But we didn't have
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: anything close enough to the house that it carried over
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and burnt the house down. We were lucky.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was totally lucky too. And I had no
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: idea that the place was intact. I just assumed it
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't because everything around it went.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Did you take much when you left?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: No, just pretty much, you know, a pillow and a
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: blanket and like just like underpants, like just kind of
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: just kind of got out. It was kind of the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: middle of the night.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't even take underwear. I had to go buy underwear.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: That's when I realized, like, some underwear is better because
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I had been me Undie's had been a sponsor, and
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I was only wearing me Undies. And then I went
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: bught some cotton underwear and this stuff fucking sucks. Yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Becau was terrible. I didn't have I didn't bring any clothes.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't bring anything. I just brought my laptop and
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: maybe some important photos or something like that. Like we
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: didn't bring much and then just went to a hotel
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: in Beverly Hills and just the sky was filled with
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: fucking smoke everywhere you looked. You know, that was again, folks,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: this is the twenty eighteen fire. La burns all the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: fucking time, all the fucking time. Yes, And the fact
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that it burns all the fucking time, and they had
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a giant reservoir that was just sitting there empty, yes,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: in the middle of fire season, and you own was
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: addressing it. No one's pointing out, this is a real
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: critical thing. We got to get on top of that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: right away. We're going to fill that fucking reservoir.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we don't see. LA sort of has process people,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: but they don't have get shit done people. They just
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: have people that talk about stuff and then have a
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: committee and we got to talk about the homeless, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: everyone needs a seat at the table, and no one's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: illegal and all this kind of stuff, and then they
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: go all right, let's eat, and they just leave. They
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: don't really do the nuts in the bolt. So like
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I realized, you know, like Trump is a builder, so
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: he is a commercial builder. So his world is hurry, hurry,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: get it done. What's going on? What's the hold up?
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Why aren't we building? And so everything when you're a
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: commercial builder is well, where's the foundation guy, Foundation's done?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Where the framing guys, framing's done? Where the drywall guys,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: where's the HVAC guys, where's the plumbing guys? Of what's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: taking so long? You know what I mean? Hurry? And
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: LA has a bunch of procedural people like they just
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: sit around and talk about stuff. They don't want to
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: get stuff done. And like when you had Karen Bass
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: mayor and you had Trump at that presser like a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: few days later. Trump was going, let's go, let's go,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: let clean your own lots. We don't and Karen Bass
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: was like, slow your role man. She was like on
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: a different you know, she was like, slow down, safely,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: We'll do it safely. Because everything is under the sort
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: of tyranny of safety. They don't really realize how much
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: safety fucks people up. I mean that's what happened with COVID,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Like safety say, we're just going to shut the schools, Like, yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: you're just going to ruin civilization because you said it
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: was safe, and no one argues with you when you
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: go safety safety, safety, But safety can be debilitating. I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: mean you can stop progress, you can ruin young lives.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Like too much safety stops the society. And they're all
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: safety oriented and they're processed people. They're like slow it down,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: slow it down, and Trump's like speed it up. And
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that's what you have in LA. You have just sort
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of safety process mostly women, just kind of running the
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: thing going if one child gets COVID. That's one child. No, no,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: no bitch. We got to open shit up and we
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: got to get moving, you know. And that's basically what
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: happened with COVID. The thing about the fires is like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you know, Gavin Newsom's like, oh, climate Change's gonna just
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: blame everything climate change, which is insane, hilarious. But it's like, look,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: New Orleans is below seat below sea level. They're down
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and and so they have sea walls. So man intervenes
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and gets involved with nature and says, we'll make it safe.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like plenty of people live in Nevada. Now
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: they have air conditioning. Somebody figured out air conditioning, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: now there's casinos in Nevada where it used to be
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: livable because of the heat. Earthquake. You know, you take
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: La and I used to do earthquake rehab in Los Angeles.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: You take a seven point three earthquake in Los Angeles
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: and almost nothing happens. There's no death, couple apartment buildings
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and received a fall off or whatever. It's really it's
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: almost nothing in La. Like a seven point three seven
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: point three in Guatemala, place is leveled, right, So what's
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: the difference. Well, we have a bunch of codes and
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: earthquake reinforced concrete. We build four earthquakes, and so when
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: an earthquake hits, almost nothing happens. So you can mitigate
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff. Like you're talking about climate change, well,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: earthquake is sort of the ultimate climate change. If you
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: think about it's like it's going to shake the earth.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: You're making an argument for those giant pylons.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Ah, I'm making an argument for some casons, but not
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: sixty five of us six stories deep. That's the point.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: There should be some Once you keep going, that's where
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: it gets real burdensome and real expensive. Like you know,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: your car should have a crumple zone and an airbag,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't need a full roll cage and a
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: fuel cell and you don't need to wear a helmet
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: when you're driving. It would be safer, but it would
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: cost so much more to manufacture that car that most
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: people couldn't afford the car. So you can make cars
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: with a fire suppression system, and like my race cars
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: have systems for fire suppression, but it would add fifteen
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: grand to the price of every car, and it's not
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: so you have to kind of pick your battles. So
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: we did not prepare for the fires. We didn't clear
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the brush, we didn't fill the reservoirs, we didn't do.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: All the stuff, all things that could be done.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: And newsom goes climate change, and my thing is, yeah,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: climate change. Fine, let's make your argument climate change. Now
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: do something. But is it really like if you really
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: it's not climate change? It isn't.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: It is not because LA's had the same climate forever.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: There's been fires that happened through La where La burns
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: half to the ground. I mean, while I was doing
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Fear Factor, there was a crazy fire that as I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: was driving home. That was a time where a guy
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: died on the highway. I got to see this. I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: didn't see him get hit, but this guy got hit
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: trying to make it across the highway when everybody was panicking.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: But it took an hour of driving home where the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: entire right side of the highway was on flames like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: the Lord of the Rings. So this is always and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: this is like early two thousands, so it's LA's always
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: caught fire. It doesn't rain there, it doesn't rain there ever,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and it's been like that forever. That's why they film
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: movies there. It's not climate change, you fuck an asshole.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Now, it's a lack of preparation. Well, listen, it only rained.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: The only time it ever rains is three days after
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the fire, so we could have a mud slide, and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: so you know, we can have a sort of end
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: of days type Sodom and Gomora situation. So that is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the only time it rains is just to cause the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: mud slide after the fire. But to prove your point
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: with climate change, they're always talking about rising sea levels.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: All the houses that burn to the ground are on
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: the ocean, and the ocean didn't get them. It was
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: the fire that got them. The places on PCH, many
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: of those places have been there since the thirties and forties.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: The ocean's in the same place. It hasn't moved at all.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: The ocean is only six or eight feet below PCH.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: It's not even that low. It's never on PCH. It
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: never makes it to PCH. And to show it's a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: weird thing because people in California talk about climate change,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: but the lots that are on the ocean side of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: PCH are ten million more than the ones that are
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: up the hill that would be safe from the ocean
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that was rising.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is that rising. It hasn't risen it at all.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: It's all bullshit. In fact, there was some crazy thing
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: that I was reading about. Oh God, I don't want
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: to say whether it's Iceland or what I think. I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: put it on my Twitter. I'm ninety nine percent sure
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I did, so I'll send it to you, Jamie. Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: It's from Reuter's and it's about Iceland. Iceland has declared
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: a threat to the Atlantic Ocean current, a national security risk,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: potential collapse of which could trigger our modern day ice age,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: with winter temperatures across northern Europe plummeting to new cold extremes.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: This is Reuter's and this is a new thing. Like
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I have brought in climate change people, a lot of
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: them who are scientists and skeptics. Yeah, you found it, Jamie.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: This is it. So this is fucking bananas. So this
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: is the exact opposite of what they've been telling you
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: about the ice. The ice is gonna melt, the ocean's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: gonna rise, and they're saying no, actually, we might get
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: plunged into a new fucking ice age in Europe.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you really think about it. I mean,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: these people were the ones who were talking about the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: food pyramid twenty minutes ago, you know what I mean.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: They're wrong about everything, almost everything, and they're so wrong
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: that they had to switch it. Like it used to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: be global warming. Before that, it was the ice age.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Now it's just they Now they just go climate change
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: because that basically covers them being wrong about everything. They're
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: depressing the shit out of young people.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Tearing the fuck out of them. Climate change fear is
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest anxieties that young people have. They
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: don't believe the world will be there for them in
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: the future if we don't act. Now that's the Greta Thurnberg.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Damn you right? But then why you know? And the
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: whole point is like why do anything at that point?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Why pro create? Why study? Why get a degree? Why
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: learn a trade? Is still why learn how to play
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the clarinet? If everything's going to be underwater or on fire? Whatever?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: That is, Like, it's really debilitating to young people, and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: it's weird. It's weird that these people try to depress
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: the shit out of young people. It's kind of weird.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting. All the white people, all the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: young white people they sell climate change to, and then
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the young black people they sell systemic racism too, because
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: they're not really into the climate change, but they're like, hey, everyone,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: you got to be miserable. That's our whole point. So
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: it's like Greta Thunberg talks to all the white kids
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and goes climate change, and then Obama talks all the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: young black kids and goes systemic racism. But either way,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: let's not enjoy ourselves.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: There's also a thing that you come to realize as
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: you're an adult. If there is ever a public narrative
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: where they're protecting you and protecting the future and trying
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: to help and save people, that's a lie. All most
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: always it's about money. It's almost always about somebody profiting
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: from some green energy initiative or some other bullshit they're
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: trying to push through some vegan meat whatever the fuck
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: it is. Stop eating beef. The cows are ruining the climate.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: It's all lies. There's no fucking real statistics that can
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: point to that in any way, shape or forming. Yet
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: they spit it out on TV all the time, pretending
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: that they care about you. They never ever, ever care
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: about public health and safety. Ever, It is always about
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: how am I making money by scaring you about public
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: health and safety, right, climate change, or whether it's COVID,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: whether it's take the vaccine, or whether it's stop using
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: gas powered vehicles, it's someone making money.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I agree. The scary part is our sort of infinite,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: infinite ability to absorb the next one that comes down
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: the pike and run with it. You know, you or me.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: But I just mean as a society, they'll just go
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: what's next, and they'll start pitching the next whatever they'll pitch,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: they'll imbibe it and they'll digest it. And by the way,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: then they become sort of carriers. They just go out
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and report on it and then tell you, you know, they
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: somehow become ambassadors of bullshit. They're like bullshit ambassadors, Like
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: we have deputized all you dumb scared people to be
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: released onto society as ambassadors of bullshit who are going
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to scare everybody, because COVID wouldn't have worked if we
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: didn't have a bunch of dumb scared people running around.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Like Gavin Newsom can shut the beaches all he wants,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: but if everyone just declared a beach day, then we'd
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: be fine. Everyone just show up. They can't police it,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They are sort of limited
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of what they can do in terms of
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: policing it. But they deputy all these dumb ambassadors to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: go out and enforce it for them. And then that's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: the scary part, right.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Right, it's the people doing the man's work for the man.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, nobody in a uniform ever told me to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: put a mask on. It was all middle aged women.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: There was nobody of any who had any authority or
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: a badge or gun. It was all the idiots that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: had been weaponized in the society.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was also a thing where they had
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to yell at you and you just had
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: to take it. Yes, they were on the right side.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Put a fucking mask on, Like whoa who are you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: talking to bitch? Why are you talking to me like that?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody had to just eat it.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: I think all roads lead to narcissism. Like they felt like,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: they go, I have a son who has asthma. Yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: do you think it's okay? Me? Everything was I me,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I have an elderly parent, I'm a caregiver. You kill me? Yes,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that was all God, that was all that's all it was.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: But we also but no anger towards the people that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: created the disease. And it's literally once the information came out,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: and literally Newsweek was I think the first place that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: broke on the front cover the lab Leaue hypothesis, and
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: they were saying, it seems like that is actually the case.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Nobody got angry. You were angry at people that didn't
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: want to get vaccinated, and you didn't get angry at
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the person who used science to create a horrible disease
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that was completely avoidable and that killed who knows how
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: many people. That didn't make you.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Mend well, I think what was going on because you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and I and I've talked to a lot of people
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: about this, like where's the anger over finding out that
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: it was made in China and a lamb and so
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: on and so forth, And then where's the anger over
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: being forced or being vaxed or all this misinformation being
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: used and blah blah blah. And I realized they don't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: want to say anything because they're a shamed because they
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: were the ones who bought it and enforced it and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: got really militant about it and started screaming at anyone
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: who suggested it came from a lab, or suggested the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: shot wasn't good or going to work or spread or
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: natural MUNI. They went after everyone so hard that now
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: it's a lesson in embarrassment and humiliation for them to go, oh, miacoba, like, Okay,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I get it. I was wrong. I think the people
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: that were a little more neutral about it can definitely
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: process it. Everyone else is sort of reporting that they're
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: idiots if they do this, and they're gullible, and it
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: also leaves them vulnerable for the next one. Meaning if
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: you go, hey, man, I was one hundred percent wrong
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: about all things COVID. I thought it came from a
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: pangulin and a wet market. I thought getting triple vax
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: would save the day. I thought ivermectin was a horse
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: paced or whatever. Like, I went all in and I
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: was a one hundred percent wrong. If you do that, well,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: eventually there's going to be another thing that comes along,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be a pandemic. It can
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: just be whatever climate change right, And then you go, well,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: you know how wrong you were about everything COVID. Perhaps
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: you're wrong about climate change or this next thing, or
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: who you voted for and they don't want to open
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: that window that possibility.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Well, that's unfortunate, because what you're saying is actually a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: formula for figuring out how to better navigate the world.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Because if you do say, hey, I was wrong. I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: really believed all that stuff they were saying, and now
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: I get it, and I'm sorry, and I'm sorry that
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I called you a playgrat because you didn't get the vaccine.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I thought it was a good idea to
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: mask children and vaccinate children. I'm sorry. Maybe then the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: next time something comes along, you'll say, Okay, wait a minute,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: what is the public narrative that's being forced down my throat.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: I'm a bad person if I don't believe. And let
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: me analyze this and let me see are there any
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: dissenting opinions that are like from Stanford and MIT, which
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: there certainly was during COVID and those all got silenced.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Is there anybody else out there that makes a very
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: good point that maybe this is bullshit? And is there
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: a financial incentive as to why they're pushing this narrative.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: So if you go through something where you're totally wrong
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: and you're adamant about enforcing this wrong opinion, and then
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: you have to realize it. And if you can come
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: to grips with the idea that your ideas are not you,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: you are just a person and your ideas are just
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: some things that you have that you carry with you,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: but they are not you, and they will become you
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: if you get married to them and defend them even
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: if you know that they're wrong, then they'll be like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: a child and you're hiding a body for them. And
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: instead you can say, oh, this is why that idea
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: worked on me, now I recognize you know. It's like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: if someone cheats on you, or if someone like if
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: you have a business managers deals money, next guy, you're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: gonna check the fucking books, you know what I mean.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: If you're working with a guy and you think you
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: might be showing up with the job drunk, the next
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: person you hire are gonna go you have a drunk
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: drinking problem. You're gonna be a little bit more ready
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: for it. That's a thing that could be happening here
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: as well. Like if you just admitted that you were
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: wrong and then just came clean with it, you'd feel
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: better about yourself. People would feel better about your opinions
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: because they know they can trust you to say when
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: you were wrong, and you'll probably be way better equipped
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: to analyze the next narrative that's being shoved down your
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: throat and go, hold on, before we jump right in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: this and blow up all the gas powered cars, Let's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: look at before we kill all the cows. Let's look
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: You are right, but we're sort of getting back to
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: a sort of insecurity thing, like I you are good
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: at enough stuff and successful enough that you can handle
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: somebody going, yeah, you were wrong about this thing right?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: For them, so much of their worth is tied up
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: in this, you know what I mean? Like I don't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: know and I don't think you know any guys that
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: really are good at stuff, really mastered something could be
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: an instrument, could be mixed martial arts, could be a
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: master carpenter. They don't walk around with that so insecure,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: so they don't fight so hard, like like I remember
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I would argue real hard
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: because I guess I was insecure, like I'm right, you're wrong,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: you know, Like remember you're a kid. You get so
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: caught up and stuff, you know, like, oh, who would
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: win in a fight? Godzilla or King Kong and you'd
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: start getting like really fired up and stuff. And then
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: I got older, and then I got successful, and I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: learned a trade and I knew some stuff, and I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: had some race cars and did some stuff, and I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: kind of went, yeah, Okay, I can be wrong because
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I'm still going to be this person, you know what
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean. And it's like, you own the building we're
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: sitting in, so you can be wrong. It's your building.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: It's still going to be your building, you know what
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I mean. But if it's not your building and you're
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: just sort of temporary and you don't own anything and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: you don't master anything, and nothing has your name on it, well,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: then you're fighting for that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Where you're fighting for your very identity.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that becomes part of your identity. Whereas like COVID,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: being right or being wrong wasn't really I wasn't that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: wrapped up in it. I had other things that was
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: going on. So I think we're dealing with a deficit
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: of expertise and these people are fighting hard. Like for me,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of it toggling in between the blue collar
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: world and this sort of ideas world of you know,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: air conditioning and cubicles and thoughts and ideas and stuff,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and then being on a job site. The job site
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: guys are the most even guys I've ever hung out with.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: COVID by the way, COVID neither here nor there, to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: the workers, to the dudes putting on the tool bags
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: and swinging the hammer. Just I've spent a lot of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: time with these guys. I would go from the job
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: site blue collar regular dudes, and then I'd go into
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: the white collar world and it's triple mask and everyone's
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: distancing and dumping pirel on their head, and I was like,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: what is so different about these two and the ones
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: they're up in their head? They intellectualize everything and the
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: other guys are tactile and they have a relationship with danger.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Everything on that job site could cut your hand off.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: There's belt sanders and bandsaws, and like, routers are really dangerous.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: They have, you know, car by bits on them that'll
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: gouge you and fuck you up badly, And you got
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to know what you're doing. And a router's not the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: same as a hypoids and that's not the same as
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: a framing gun. Like you have to sort of know
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: and there is no such thing as well that's dangerous.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Don't use don't use the power saw, it's too dangerous. Like,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: well we got to build a house, Well it's too dangerous.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Well what we got to speed it up, meaning like
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you got to get up on scaffolding or you got
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: to get on a ladder, but you have to do it,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: and you have to weigh it. You know, you have
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: to kind of go, well, it's going to take a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: long time to put scaffolding all the way around this house.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: How about I just put a ladder And you go, well,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: that's not as safe as scaffolding. Yeah, I know, but
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: we got to do this thing. And so it's a
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: constant wigh of danger, like pros cons what could happen
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: because everything could kill you in that situation, But you
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: have to get the job done. And so those guys
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: are calibrated and so like COVID felt like something to them,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: but they calibrated the danger and realized, yes, it's a thing,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: but I also have to go to work and schools
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: need to be open, and it doesn't really affect kids.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Let's protect the old people like it. They had to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: make those decisions, and the white collar college crowd cannot
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: calibrate and they don't know what to do with danger.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: They don't know how to deal with it. And they've
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: been off the farm for so long and in the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: air conditioning that it's gone. Like you grow up on
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: a farm and that's part of your life, and that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: used to be part of everyone's life. You were just
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: going to a factory working a stamp or a press,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is. It could take your hand off,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: and then you're on a farm and it's the same thing. Equipment.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Stuff's above, stuff can happen. You're constantly sort of calibrated
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: for danger. And then you move everyone out of the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: farm and off the factory and out of the construction
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: site and you put them in an air conditioned cubicle
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: and you slather them up with the purel and they
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: lose all their calibration. So when something like COVID comes along,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: they go, h shit, close everything, get a distance, put
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a mask on. Uh. Even if you're going to swim practice,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: you got to wear the mask in the pool because
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: we got to work. It was one hundred percent safety
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: of brales because they weren't. No one was calibrated, and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: it was all of the administrators and the teachers and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: all the academics and all the people that ran college,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: they were making all They were the ones that were
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: doing all the process for this. They were making all
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: the rules. It wasn't the blue collar guys making the rules.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: It was all the white collar college educated people terrified
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: because they don't have relationships dat they don't they don't
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: have that thing. Like you just laid it out. It
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: was brilliant. It's true.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely true. It's not a normal wa to live,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not natural.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Well being as safe as humanly possible all the time
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: is not good, and they look at it as good.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: So again it's we can put five k sons in
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: the ground and that'll be enough for the next two
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: hundred years. Yeah, but why not do five hundred k signs?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be better? And it's like, yeah, no, it's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: too expensive, it's not feasible, and it's not going to work.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: And so like saying protecting old people would be a
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: good idea, shutting down schools would be a bad idea.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: And their whole thing is we're shutting everything because we're
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: going full safety all the time, and it is a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: big problem.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: There's also no diversity of thought right, because it's a
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: giant liberal bubble. It's a big echo chamber, and so
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: all the crazy ideas get supported by other people that
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: think these crazy ideas are rational, and there's not enough balance,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: there's not enough The fact that they did it. I mean,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: all those people with children, right, they must have known
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: this is bad for their child's development. They must have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: known the kid didn't need a vaccine. They must have
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: known that COVID. If you look at the statistics, it's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: very insignificant for kids. It's not even like the flu.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: That's how it was with my kids, That's how it
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: was with most of my friend's kids. It was nothing.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: But yet they allowed those motherfuckers to keep them out
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: of school for a year and a half. They told
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: them to wear masks when it didn't make any sense,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: when there was no studies whatsoever that mask did any good.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: In fact, not only that, but there's some real indicators
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that mask, like carrying on a dirty fucking mask and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: breathing into it all day probably increases the amount of
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: bacteria you're taking in.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, first off, I want you to know
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: I told my son, who was in high school at
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the time, if you come back from school and tell
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: me that no one told you to put a mask
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: up at least fifteen times. I will disown you. I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: want that fucking mask around your nutsack like the entire
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: I want it to be a constant correction where you
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: put the mask. But when they're done telling you to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: put the mask up and they walk away, put it
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: back down again, so stupid. I will be so proud
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: of you if you get suspended for this. I was.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: I was in Catalina and I was outdoors in Catalina
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: during COVID which is an island, which is an island, folks.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: And I was trying to exchange a ticket for a
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: ferry ride in a outdoor kiosk in Catalina. And I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: was standing on one side outside and the woman was
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: inside the kiosk, like behind the glass, and I go, look,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I just got to trade this two o'clock ticket in
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: for like a five o'clock ticket. And she goes, you
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: got to put a mask on, and we can't do anything.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm out here, you're in there. I'm outdoors,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: there's glass between us. She's like, you got to put
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: a mask on or we cannot do this transaction and
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't have a mask, and she's like,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: you gotta put And I looked around.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Could you do this?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Do the shirt?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Isn't it the same thing?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've tried. I've tried it for farting
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: for years and it's not proven to be effective.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: But you could do with the She goes.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: You need a mask, and I said okay, And I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: looked around and there was someone else's mask was blowing
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: down the sidewalk. You literally I went and got the
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: stupid mask and I put somebody else's dirty mask from
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the ground on my face and I went, okay, satisfied,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I got a mask, and she goes, all right, here's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: your ticket, and I just took it off and threw
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: it away. I did that way more than once. I
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: did that walking into lax Right. I never had a mask.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: I would. It was so insane to me that I
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even think about it. But I would find myself
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: walking into an airport going oh shit, I don't, I don't,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: and I'd see one on the ground and I'd just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: pull it up and put it on.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen those landfills filled with masks?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: God, how many masks turned into just landfill.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: We're so dumb.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: It's so dumb. It was an environmental disaster. There was millions,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of those fucking things just in this country.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Just in this country.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: I mentioned glove, I mean, people are putting God.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't wear any gloves, but I wore masks. So
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I think about it all the times I wore a mask.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I'm one person. I probably wore thirty or forty different
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: masks over the course of however long it took maybe
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: one hundred. Who knows.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I was a mask recycler because I get my shit
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: off the ground.
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  Speaker 2: When I first moved here, that was one of the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: things that I was shocked by. People weren't wearing masks.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, they're living in a totally different reality.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Well not nuts, not only, but the thing that's crazy
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: is the first time we heard the phrase mask up
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: in between bites, like on an.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Airplane, where they'd.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Yell at you to wear the mask the whole time, right,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: and then at some point they'd hand you the hummus
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: box and they'd go in between bites. I was like,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: we all should have went, Okay, this doesn't exist. Masking
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: up in between bites. Like I yelled, I was talking
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: to doctor Drew, and I said, mask up in between bites.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: That's that's zero. That means zero mask, right, I mean
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't work at all, right, He goes, no, it's nothing,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: And I said, if I ran a highway safety campaign
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: that said belt up in between lights, it would make
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: more sense than mask up in between bites.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, that actually would make sense.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: At least fifty percent of the time, you'd have your
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: seat belt on.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: If you could get it on in time for when
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: the green light goes. Yeah, it would totally make sense
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: unless somebody rear rends a way your part, well, I.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Would recommend just keeping the seat belt on all the time,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: but masking up in between bytes makes zero zero. And
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: the weird thing is is like people, The scary part
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: is people weren't skeptical at all, Like they should have
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: heard mask up in between bites and went, oh, okay,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: so this is all theater, this is bullshit, like I'm
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: not going along with this, or half the people that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: lectured me on wearing a mask were wearing theirs down
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: around under their nose, you know, or the one I like,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: my favorite one was when the flight attendant would go,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get that mask, because for me,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: it was a constant you got to you know, I'm
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: a mouth breather. I'm like, this is driving me nuts.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm being like waterboarded with my own saliva here.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: And they'd always come down. And half the time the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: flight attendant had their mask with the elastic strap twisted
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: one eighty which made it create a huge gap on
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the side, Like I can see three quarters of an
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: inch of daylight coming in the side of your mask, bitch,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: and you're giving me a lecture about wearing a mask.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: We should have known. People should have been skeptical. We
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: should have seen it didn't hurt kids, Like the whole
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: lie was the kid's part. I was onto them early
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: because I realized, well, somebody pointed out to me later
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: why I was. I was skeptical early, which is there
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: was a pattern that would that had broken, which is
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: every time they give you a death like when you're
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: driving and listening to the radio and they going eighty
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: nine year old man was struck and killed by a
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: cyclist on you know, and then they'd go a sixty
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: one year old mother from laverne, you know whatever, that thing.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: And when I started hearing about COVID deaths, I didn't
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: get an age. I just got another person died of COVID,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: and I was like listening to it, like this was
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: like five days in this person died of COVID. That
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: person and I was like, how old was that person?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: And they never said the age. They just said died
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: of COVID. And I was like, but if you died
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: in a motorcycle accident or a heart attack, they gave
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: an age all throughout history. I was like, I'm not
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: getting ages. I think these are really old people, but
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: they're not telling us to really old people because it
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: wouldn't scare us as much because of a ninety one
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: year old dies of anything, you just kind of go
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: all right, of course, had a good run, you know,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: But if you hear about an eleven year old dying,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: it's a big deal. And so I stopped hearing ages,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: and I was like, they're trying to fuck with us
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: now because they don't want to tell us these are
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: elderly people who are dying of COVID. And so I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: kind of caught on that kids weren't being effective or
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: being affected, I should say early with COVID, and then
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: they focused all on the kids. But the kids were
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: there to scare us, because when elderly people die, it's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: just not a tragedy compared to young people dying, right,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: And so they left the old people off. They focus
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: real hard on the kids. They shut the schools, and
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: then when we start to catch on and go, I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: don't think these kids are dying, they go, yeah, but
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: they get COVID, they bring it home because they live
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: with Nana and Pappy. And I'm like, who lives with
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: their grandparents in Los Angeles in twenty and twenty one,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it's like Italy nineteen thirty,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't live with
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: nobody I know with their grandparents. But they were working
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: the kid angle, and that was to scare the moms.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: And then the moms control the house. And that's how
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: it works. The moms are the ones kind of setting
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: the pace for the house, right, And.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: If they're being told that something's going to keep everybody safe,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: they're going to glean in that direction.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: And hurting the kids. Then they go super safety uber ales.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they did.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: The thing is, like, I wonder how many people if
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: something very similar happened tomorrow, if a new COVID that's
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: just as bad as the last COVID, meaning that it's
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: not really that bad, it's not the bubonic plague. It's
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: something that's gonna really mostly be a major problem for
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: old people and for people that are already immune, compromised,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: or have many comorbidities, like most of the people that dined.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: But if that came along today, I wonder how quickly
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: people would be willing to accept the rejection of alternative medicines,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Like if people found out like the one of the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: big ones that was really I thought insidious was monoclonal antibodies.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Monoclonal antibodies were really effective, and because of that, they
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: made them really hard to get. It like there's a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: conspiracy there. I don't want to connect any dots. I
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: don't know who was involved in it, but I do
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: know that they were making monoclonal antibodies very difficult to get.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: And when I asked my doctor, I said, why do
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: you think they're doing that? He said, to encourage vaccination.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: He said, it has nothing to do with the effectiveness
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: of it, it's very effective.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: I listen. I was always really suspicious how everyone became
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: overnight experts and everything. You know what I mean, Like, oh,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: they knew hydroxyic coreq when they couldn't pronounce ivermectin ten
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: minutes ago, and now they're experts in it. And also,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you when you should be suspicious, be suspinbitious
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: when people aren't sort of agnostic about things like if
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: you'd said to me, what about ivermectin a hydroxychloroquin, I'd go, well,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Once you talk
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: to your doctor about it, anyway, ekademiologist, I don't I'm
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: a comedian. I don't know anything. Everyone on CNN was
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: an expert, and they all knew that it didn't work.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how do you guys all know this
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: all at the same time? How does Rolling Stone magazine?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: How do you losers all know this thing that you'd
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: never heard of before, that you couldn't pronounce the day
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: before yesterday? You now all know it doesn't work based
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: on nothing. So now I'm suspicious because if CNN was
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: just sort of like, hey, maybe it works, maybe it
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, I don't know, you should definitely look into it,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: but they all knew it didn't work. And when you
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: know it doesn't work, then you should be suspicious of
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: those people because it's impossible.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, the whole gamble was hoping you didn't
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: google search it.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Right, they knew it didn't come from a lab. How
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: is that knowable? How do you know unequivocally they didn't
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: come from a lab where they developed these antibodies and.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: These not only the.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Theory something right, right, So here's the whole thing. If CNN,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: you know, if somebody said to CNN, hey, do you
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: think it came from a wet market or it came
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: from a lab? Do you think ivermectin works or hydroxychloroquine works,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: And they just went, I don't know, we got to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: look into it. I don't know. Maybe it makes sense
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: it came from a lab, but I don't know. We
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: should look in it. But they all knew, right, And
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: when you know something you don't know, then you're lying.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: Right, appagenda, how it works, that's how it works, And
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: that's what we got shoved down our face. The ivermectin
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: thing was fascinating because when CNN was saying that I
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: was taking a horsty wormer, which is that they chose
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: to refer to it as that.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: That's perfectly.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: I had no idea ivermect him was even remotely controversial.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: When I said that, I didn't know. I just knew
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: that this was what was recommended, along with all that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: other stuff. But they didn't focus on any of the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: other things. They couldn't dismiss monoclonal anybodies because everybody knew
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: that that was really effect right. Ivy vitamins proven effective, But.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: They protested so much like I was yelling, like they're going, oh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: look good, you know Joe Rogan, I go, is Joe
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Rogan dead because he seems fine?
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Not only was I not dead, I got better really
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: quick and really didn't care about that at all, I
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: said the narrator. And I'm not young, you know at
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: the time, I was fifty three or four, fifty four.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: It's not It wasn't what they said it was. And
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: that was what the problem was. When they found a
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: healthy person who takes care of himself got over it
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: really quickly with these medications, how to figure out they
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: turned my face yellow?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: I know, but where's my whole thing? Why would you
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: mortgage your integrity? Why would you play so fast and
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: loose with the only thing you really need to own,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Like it's really all you got in terms of you know,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: my house could have burned down in Malibu, but I
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: can get a new house, you know. And my Paul
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Newman race car I could crash in total, but it's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: but I can get a new one. But when your
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: reputation goes, that's it. That's all you got, especially when
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: it's a provable, easily improval. So why were they so
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: fast and loose? Like why was Sanjay Gupta up there
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: talking about horse paste when he knew better, when it
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: is now so damaging to their reputation? Like if somebody
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: said to me, hey, Rolling Stone Magazine, I'd go fuck off.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna listen to any those people Sanjay Gupta recommends.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I'd be like that asshole. All he does is lie
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna Maybe he's right, by the way,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: maybe he's not lying about this thing. I'm just saying
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to listen to him and many other
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: people because of this. And I don't get why you
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: would do that. I mean for him to say horse
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: pace like I like, well, it can be used on
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: a horse.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think Sanja said that, but most
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: of them he you know, what he did is he.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Went back onto like Anderson Cooper's show, Don Lemon or
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Don Lemon. Sorry, yeah, to me, they're almost the same guy.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: I love lying and cock. Those are the things. You're right,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: they're different, They're different. So he went on Don Lemon
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: and Don Lemon is going but but it is can't
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: be used on a horse. He's like, well it can't.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, he really should have used that moment to
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: clarify little bit, but he just sort of passively went
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: along with Don Lemon.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: I think that more of a just not being a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: very brave person and being confronted will not be very easy. Also,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: it was like, I think one of the first times
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: he'd ever been attacked. He got attacked publicly after and
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: he got attacked publicly even more after that, and I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: actually like made a post about it, just like he's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: a good guy. Just he's a part of a system.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think Sanjay is a bad guy
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: at all. I like talking to him.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I think he's I agree, I agree, and I don't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I feel that way about most people who were involved
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: with this, most not not all but still being a
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: good guy, but sort of peddling misinformation that you you
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: know or not like you know what the truth is.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I think that many of them don't. This is a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: problem with medicine. Like, say, if I believe Sanjay is
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: a neuro surgeon, is that correct? I believe that's what
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: he does. He's a practicing doctor, right right, So that
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: involves him being focused on his area of expertise all
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: day long and very little time for anything else. You're
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: working long hours, you're doing very complicated surgeries. I don't
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: think you have the time to go look on Reddit
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: and find out conspiracy theories about SB forty in the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: fucking vaccine, the semion virus forty, Like what is this?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Hold is what's mRNA? How do they make it? What
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: did the tests actually show? What are they like? No,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: he's going by whatever the medical establishment tells everyone to
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: go by. If they're saying it's been shown to give
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: you antibodies, it will stop deaths, this works. He's just
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: gonna say that he's not the guy that's going to
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: do a bunch of research and go find so when
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: he's saying that when he's trying to tell people to
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: get vaccinated, it's not because he's a propaganda it's because
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: he believes the business that he works for. Because he's
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: not that guy. He's not like Peter McCullough who goes
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: digging into all the studies and says, no, this is
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: none of this is zaccurate, or Robert Malone who did
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: the same thing. It literally owns patents nine patents on
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: the creation of mRNA vaccine technology got vaccinated, and that
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: was telling people, don't do it. This is not what
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: they said. It has a terrible reaction to the body.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: This is why it doesn't stay local. He starts saying
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: all these things, and they're accusing him of spreading misinformation,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: like he literally helped create the fucking thing and he's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: telling you to not do it.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: They would go after anybody, But that's got outside the narrative.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is Sonja's not that guy.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: But he could have figured out the horse paste part,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: like there's a.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: He just I think he probably just wanted to keep
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: that giggots. Yeah, and Don Lemon didn't want to take
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: the l He didn't want to take an L like you,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: your whole company took an L. And here's the big
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: way they took an L. They are used to doing
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: that to people. They're used to doing that. They're used
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: to lying about you. They're used to bullshitting and getting
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: away with it because they had a bigger platform, right,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they've realized up until that point.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think they realized how big podcasts had gotten.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: I really don't think they knew. I think they thought
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: we're CNN, we can get away with any There's one
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: hundred people working in this building. It's just him and
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: fucking Jamie. This is crazy. We're gonna bury this guy, right,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: And I think they went for it in that way.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: And you know my first of all, I easily could
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: assume him, Oh yeah, easily easily could have won a
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: ton of money. But my perspective was, like, you do
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: you you think you can just lie? And what I
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: can talk like you can't stop me from doelling the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: truth is mortgaging your integrity is the perfect way to
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: describe it, because like, what a stupid thing to do
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: for the whole network. I wouldn't care if it's the
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutic with drug companies or whoever. If I was ahead
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: of that network and someone said, we're gonna just lie
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: about some money. We're gonna call a universally accepted effective medicine.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: We're gonna call it horsety wormer, something that's in the
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: World Health Organization's list of essential medicines. Yes, the guy
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: who created it won a Nobel Prize. We're gonna call
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: that horsety wormer, and we're just gonna say that it's
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: killing people, and then we're gonna just run with I'd
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: be like, what the fuck are you talking about. We
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: have to stay. CNN has to be here in twenty thirty.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: CNN's going to be here in twenty forty. If we
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: kill the reputation in twenty twenty, you're gonna fuck it
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: up for the future. This is not worth doing.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Well. They definitely they And by the way, they came
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: right off of Russian collusion of like four years of
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: that exactly right into COVID. Like they were just wrong
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: about everything, But you're right, they got used to it,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: and they got kind of complacent, and I don't think
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: they anticipated what you're talking about, the sort of alternative
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: media and podcasters and just voices coming coming from other places, and.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Also those voices being united, like you were saying things
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: that I was saying, that Glenn Greenwald was saying that
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: my Taibi was saying. It was like all these different
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: podcasts were all saying this is horse shit, right, and
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: that voice of this is Horseshit was enormous in comparison
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: to CNN, right.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: But it's always it's what happens to all sort of
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: old guard companies or many I mean, it can be media,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: but could also just be automotive manufacturers. Like the Big
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Three were so big and so dominant for so long
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: in this country that when Toyota and Dotson started showing
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: up in nineteen sixty nine, they're like, get out of here.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: He's gonna try that little pop gun. No one wants
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: that crap. Come on, man, we make we make land yachts,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: you know. And they didn't start changing right. It took
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: them a long time because they were like, we're Ford,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: We're Chrysler, We're GM, We're huge, we do it. We
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: sell cars to the world, and they want our probably
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: and nobody. I mean, it happens countlessly like in business,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: like somebody needs to sound the alarm, but no one
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: says anything, and they just sail off and at some
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: point their market share drops, you know, below twenty percent
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and now it's time for a huge correction, right,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm guessing legacy media is going through that. They're
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: basically going through what the big three auto manufacturers went
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: through in the early eighties, like we need to make
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: a more reliable, smaller car that's more fuel efficient. Yet
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: they were Toyota, Nissan, you know, Dots and whatever. They
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: were way down the road on that making those cars
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: before Ford and Chrysler and GM and whatever started to
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: begin to think about that, you know. So it's like
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: a it's like an aircraft carrier. Takes a long time
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: to turn around. And these media companies, at least like
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: traditional legacy stuff, are realizing we got to right the ship,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and they're doing it.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: But it's how And while I don't see any difference
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: welling other than bringing on guys like Scott Jennings and
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: Coleman Hughes and more reasonable people.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: It's like incremental, it's slow. Barry Weiss is now doing
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: the news division at CBS. So CBS who's like lying
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: all through sixty minutes and editing and cooking and all
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. They've found somebody from our sort
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: of media sphere to come in and sort of be
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: a little more middle of the road. And it's going
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: to be tough because you've got a bunch of old
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: guard there who doesn't want to do it. I mean,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: it's sort of like the first Trump administration, like he goes,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to come in and I'm going to do
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of shit that I want to do,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: and it's like not with all these old guard people
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: hanging around going all right, oh, we'll call you president,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: but behind your back, we're not gonna let you do
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: any of this shit.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna take these progressive media companies a little
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: while to flush out all of these college grads that
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: have been there for ten years that have just been
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: used to having their way.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, parasitic ideologues, right, Yeah, it's that's news. I mean,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: half of what you see in the news is essentially propaganda.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: They're they're pushing a very specific narrative and igno. It's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: not an objective look at both sides of any story.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: It's always coming from some sort of an activist lens
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: and it's weird that that's been allowed to talk. I mean,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing. You're mortgaging your reputation.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: But you just to cut you off. You don't know
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: it until they start writing about you and talking about you,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: and that's when you realize, oh, my god, they got
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: everything wrong, like forget about COVID, just in general, you
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like just back in the day,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: when they'd start writing an article about you, I mean
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of your career or whatever, Like, I
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: started noticing it when they just write articles about me,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: not they weren't being negative. I just read the article
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: and goo, they got that wrong. They got that wrong
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: or that wrong. And I realized that the person next
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: to me, who was just reading the newspaper thought it
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: was all that, you know what I mean. And so
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: until they start writing about you, you don't really realize
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: just how far off they are, even without an agenda.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: And then once they get an agenda, now they're way
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: to fuck off because now it's intentional, whereas in the
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: past it they're just inaccurate, you know. But it is
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: kind of sobering to read stuff about yourself, and it's
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: always like, oh, they got it wrong.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Well, when someone's doing something like that on purpose, that's evil.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: That's an evil person, and that's a giant chunk of
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: that business, a giant chunk of that business is purposely
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: misrepresenting people because that's going to make for a more
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: salacious story or that's going to push the narrative that
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: you're trying to push. And this BBC thing that they
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: did with Trump, I'm sure you watched that, Like that's
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: a perfect example that they felt justified in editing something
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: to make it look like he had a completely different sentence.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing about it is whenever they confront
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: the outgoing head who's on the way out, they always go, yeah,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: we did this, but we're not biased at all, right,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: and it's like, well it's first off, it's one or
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: the other, bitch, Like it's so why you and why
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: did you do it?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: Why? By the way, you didn't get the tape like this,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: You edited the tape like this. So that's a caloriy
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: burn it right there, a thing you could say you
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: made a mistake.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: When it's literally fifty three fifty four minutes later, he
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: says the second part of the sentence, right that's crazy.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're biased and you're cooking it. Yeah, and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: that means we don't need to listen to the BBC anymore.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Which is the part about mortgaging your reputation, which people
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I think I've come to sort of learn that it's
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: not always about accuracy. I think it's about authenticity, which
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: is to say, people may disagree with something that Joe
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Rogan or Adam Carolla has to say, and that's fine
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: because it's going to happen. I mean, that's society, that's opinions,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: that's how it works. But they have to believe you
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: believe it. And if we believe, you believe it. And
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of your success is people go,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: he one hundred percent believes what he is saying, and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: even if I disagree with twenty percent of your one
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: hundred percent, I will listen to you because you believe it.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem. The problem is is
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: when you don't believe that person believes what they're saying,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: so you can be inaccurate. I mean, it's a lot
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: of moving parts, a lot of information, a lot of
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: stuff you never heard of before. You can be you know,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: something like covid. I don't know about ivermectin or her
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: droxy clerquinn. I don't know monoclonal, and I don't know
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff. So I'm willing to go. I
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: could make a mistake. I don't know this subject, but
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: I am saying what I think and I believe. And
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: if you believe that, then we're going to have a relationship.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: If you start thinking I'm lying, it's really going to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: hurt the relationship.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And if your job is to just lie, if
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: they've giving you some sort of a mandate, this is
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: how we're going to frame this. It's not like it
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: was their ideas to all lockstep in uniform, start calling
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: it horsty wormer, right. And that Rolling Stone article where
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: they pretended that a bunch of people were waiting a
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: lot at the Mercy Room for gunshot wounds. So not
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: only that I was a photo of people wearing winter
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: coats because they were lining up for the flu shot.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: That was the stock photo, and they this was Oaklandholma
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: in like August I. First off, I was in Catalina
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: when Rolling Stone ran that. I literally was looking at
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: my phone.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: Was this the same time someone was yelling at your
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: mask and I was looking at this and it was
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: so weird. I just had a flashback. I was I
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, I did a gig and like, I
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, it was the summer. It was like Catalina,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, it was the middle of the summer
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: and everyone was wearing beanies and parkas and scarfs and
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: stuff and Rolling Stone And that's the problem. The problem
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: is I used to subscribe to Rolling when I was younger,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: and I liked Rolling Stone, and I would read their
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: articles and I would believe Rolling Stone. And now I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: don't believe them. And because of that, right, and the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: real danger is is they may be right about something,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: but I'm still not going to believe it because it's
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: them exactly. And you may be wrong about something, but
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I'll believe that you mean it, and that's all you need.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: Well, if I am wrong about something and I find
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: out I'm wrong about something, I'll tell you I was
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: wrong about something, and I'll tell you why I thought
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: differently and what I learned. I don't think you should
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: be married to ideas. I think they should bounce around
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: inside your head and you should cling on to them
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: if they're rationally makes sense. And if they've been challenged.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: But if you don't want your ideas ever challenge, then
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: they're not ideas. You're basically in a religion.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: You know. There's also as we go down and talk
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: about this, this sort of posture that you have that
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: I have in terms of your ideas, where I realize that,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: having like a building background, my process is constantly saying
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: to people, here's my idea, here's what I want to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: do with this deck. Now tell me why I'm wrong,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: or tell me how to make it better, or give
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: me a better idea. And oftentimes people go, you know,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: why don't you just do it this one instead of
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: that one. I'll go, oh, that's a good Okay, I'll
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: do it. And you know, from training and training with
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: people and being in that world, it's constantly going is
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: there a better way to do this? And someone goes,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: you're doing this, but you should be doing that, and
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: this is a better way, and you're receptive to it
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: because you want to get better, you want to get faster,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: you want you know, I was always like, I'm going
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: to live in this house, so I'll take any idea
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: anyone has that makes it better because I own it.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and so your posture is
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: always tell me what I'm doing wrong, tell me why
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, prove me wrong, tell me a way to
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: do it better. Even in comedy sometimes people go, you know,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: you could do it this way, or you could kind
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: of flip it and start it with this premise and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: then make this the button, and you go, oh, yeah, thanks, Yeah,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: it's a better way to deliver it. So you're in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: a dry sponge kind of receptive mode all the time.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: But if all you had was your ideas and you
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: had no other expertise or anything you could call your own,
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: then those ideas you would be very protective of. And
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: they're constantly like circling the wagons protecting their ideas, whereas
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: you're saying, give me a better idea and tell me
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: why I'm wrong so I can flourish well.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: So this is also the jiu jitsu pilosophy. When you
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: learn jiu jitsu, one thing that you learn is if
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: you are doing something incorrect that leaves you vulnerable, you're
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: gonna get caught because other people are going to know that,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: and so someone has to show you, hey, when you're
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: doing that, you're reaching with this arm. When you reach
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: with this arm, the guy's going to get head an
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: arm on you. And you're like, okay, how should I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: do this? Keep your arm tucked to your chest and
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: use the proper technique. If you don't, if you don't listen,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: if you say this is the way I do it,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do it, you're just gonna keep
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: getting caught over and over again, and you're not going
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: to advance. So everybody understands that there's a reality to
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: positions and technique. There's a reality, and then sometimes new
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: realities get exposed. So sometimes people have been taking the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: back getting back mount a very specific way, but then
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: someone comes up with some new move that gets you
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: on a leg lock when you go to take mount,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh fuck, okay, well now you can't
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: go that way anymore. And then we have to break
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: it down and then we all like try different things.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: So that thing of not being married to any ideas
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: is a giant part of the philosophy of jiu jitsu,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: because all of a sudden there's heel hooks. Oh I
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: didn't think of that. You can't stand that way because
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: then the guy can get you in the heel hook.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus right, all right, let's let's break down the
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: guard pass. Now we're gonna have to do it a
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: different way. And this is a constant cycle in jiu
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: jitsu because jiu jitsu is never ending. There's new techniques
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: to jiu jitsu that are invented every day. There's things
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: that people are trying right now somewhere in Portland that
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: are gonna make its way onto the national scene. Some
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: guy will have some new way of doing a choke
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: or some new way of getting a heel hook, and
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: everybody's gonna adopt it, and then everybody has to figure
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: out the counters to it, and then it's so this
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: is endless process. So I apply that to everything. Yeah,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: it's either works or it doesn't work. It's real or
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: it's not real. And then the weird ambiguous stuff like
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: how you feel and how you behave you have to
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: take into account who you're talking to is are we
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: are we trying to make microaggressions punishable by jail time
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: because someone is so fucking sensitive because they're crazy, And
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be the barometer that everybody or we gonna say, hey,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: get it together and join us. You're gonna have to
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: deal with microaggressions. You're gonna have to deal it. You're
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with those people deal with those
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: and not that big of a deal.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Well, it's sort of microaggression. It's sort of like mask
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: up in between bikes. I can put in the word
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: micro in front of aggression. There's no aggression.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Everything it's looks the way you look at me could
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: be a microaggression. It's like it's the dumbest fucking idea ever, right,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: just too you're too sensitive.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Making everyone's safer is hurting them, like wiping I was
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: always against the sterilizing everything, like wiping everything down per l.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: I never used per l. I never indulge in any
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: of that stuff. I like barely use soap, like I
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: was always really I always sort of worked in the dirt.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Like I'm just in the dirt all the time. I
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: was in football, You're like in the dirt. Ah, you're
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: just on your belly all the time, Like the fields
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: all fucked up and it's half of it's dirt and
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: you're just on your belly, just breathing dirt. And then
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: in construction, I was like in the dirt all the time,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: and I started noticing everyone was getting sick and having
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: food allergies and allergic to peanuts and all this kind
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and none of the in the dirt guys
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: wherever allergic. Like I'd go on so many food runs
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: for the crew and a construction crew. You just go,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going on a lunch run and they go, thanks,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: and you just leave. They don't say I'm lactose and tolerant,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: or i have a gluten situation, I can't use tree nots.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: You just go and you bring home a shitload a
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: taco bell or whatever it is, and you just throw
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: it at them and they go, thanks, and they just
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: eat because their immune system is fine. They don't have
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: any of this stuff. They're not wiping everything down. And
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I think everyone has a gut issue now, Like everyone
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: I know is like, I can't do that. Yeah, there's
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: too much acid and that piece of sauce, you know,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: the way I go, I'll eat it all. Give me
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: the shit you can't eat, I'll eat it, you know.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: And everyone I know has got some sort of gut thing,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: some sort of head things, some sort of bowel thing.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: And I realized they grew up sterile and taking antibiotics
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: and wiping everything down and killing all the bacteria, and
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: their immune system needs something to push back against. Like
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: your immune system's got to work out a little bit.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: It's got to fight something. It's gotta, it's gotta, it's
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: got to get worked out. And you are you know,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: they do those studies where like Amish kids don't have
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: hay fever and they don't have peanutalergies it because they're outside.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: Also they're not vaccinated.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: And they're not vaccinated. But people who have dogs that
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: are outside dogs who come in are exposed to more
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: stuff and they get sick much less than just indoor
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: dog people, And so their immune system is not working out.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Like your immune system it needs to work out, like
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: you need to work out, like it needs something to do,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: and you taking away all the gravity gives it no workout.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: It's like being in the space shuttle just floating around.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: You lose your muscle mass and you lose bone density.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: And I think your ideas are the same way. Like
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: with microaggressions and stuff like that, you need some calluses,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: You need a little something built up, you know what
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like a little intestinal fortitude, a little keep
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: walking a little just mind your p's and q's. I'll
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: you know you need a little that. And if you're
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: so vulnerable all the time, like literally your gut in
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: your biome and your bacteria need a workout, but your
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: brain needs a little workout, like a little controversy, a
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: little pushback, a little somebody disagreeing with you. And if
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: it's all bubble wrap and purel and microaggressions, you have
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: no system, you have no way to protect yourself.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: It's a really good point about the diseases, about getting
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: sick about just your health in general, like being sterile
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: and living on a street all the time, like stepping
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: on concrete, never being exposed to nature at all. If
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: you're a total city person, you're probably lacking in a
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: very crucial vitamin to being a human being, which is
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: our exposure to some kind of nature.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's always Madison Avenue who's trying to sell
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: it to the housewives, right, because they show them wiping
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: everything down. Right, That's what a loving mom would do.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: She would take lysol, spray it all over the place
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: and white. It's always them wiping it down. And then
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: disease is some kind of weird green animation that's evil,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and then the good mom wipes it down
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: and cleans and she's always slathering the kid with something.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: And it's all the like shampoo and all the soaps
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: and all the antibacterials, like this huge business of trying
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: to scare the mom into buying all this shit to
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: prove they love their children and they love themselves, and
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: they've coached everyone up. Like if I say to people like,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: I'll go, I don't really use soap that much, I go, oh, cross, oh, dude, yuck. Yeah,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: And I go, I just rinse off in the shower
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: and then I go about my business. I go oh,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: And I'll go like sometimes I won't shower for like
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: three days. I go, WHOA grouse so gross. It's like
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's a campaign. It's not that different than COVID. Like
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: if you go, I don't want to wear a masks,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: they all turn on you because they've all been sort
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: of programmed. But I'm also the one who never gets sick.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: And you're the one who's always taking all your tombs
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: and all your Mitlanta and all your stomach shit and
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: all that. You're the one who's taking all that I
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: never take any of that.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: Do you work out and then take a shower after workout?
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: I do the I do the Oh I try well,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: I try to do the cold plunge, but after the
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: fire of the cold plunch and it's it's a long story.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: So I do the freezing shower move. I just go
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: in there and do it. Yeah, Like I don't. I
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to be gamy, you know what I mean.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: Like I'll I'll put on some deodorant and you know
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Like I'm not looking to offend
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: people on the subway.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: But you don't use soap after a hard workout.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not. No, never use shampoo. Never use soap. Like
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: if you if you bought me a bottle of shampoo,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: it would last like twenty eight years.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I got in the habit of always showering
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: and washing my skin because of jiu jitsu. You get
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of different infections. Yeah, you
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: can get like I've got staff a couple of times.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: I got ringworm a couple times.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: Problem.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: I I'm not saying outlaws soap. I'm saying too many
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: people are too sterile. Yes, and you're hurting your system
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: by being so protective.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: What I was going to say is, so I use
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: special soap. So I use a soap called defense soap,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: and defense soap is like designed for grapplers. And what
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: it does is it kills bad bacteria, but it promotes
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: healthy skin flora. It's all like eucalyptus oil, healthy stuff
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: for it smells good, but it's good for your skin health,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't torch your skin. So one of the
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: dumbest things that I know grapplers have done. They get
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: some sort of an infection and then what they do
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: is they wash themselves with antibiotic soap. Right, Well, you
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: are just torching all of the healthy bacteria around your skin,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: and you're just putting poison all over your skin, which
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: is an organ. It's a fucking terrible move. Yes, And
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: when guys do that, I've seen it spread. I've seen
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: them get like ringworm. It spreads all over their chests.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: It's fucking horrible.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you think about how many people
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: have peanut allergies now versus what we grew up with,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: because I've never heard of anyone being allergic to peanut
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: butter when I was a kid, and now thirty percent
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: of kids are like allergic to peanuts, and it's because
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: they're not exposing them to it. It's because we're removing
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: the peanuts from the house and the airplanes and everything else.
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: They need to be exposed as infants. And now the
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: studies are coming out, which is they need exposure to peanuts,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: not removal. Yeah, peanuts, one of the funniest tie.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: Nuts of peanuts became toxic. I mean, if you want
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: to show an example of how kooky we've made the world, Oh,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: peanuts used to be everywhere.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: It's funny that peanut butter is like the only universal food.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: When you're trying to trap any critter, like you just go,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: we got a raccoon in our backyard, get some peanut butter.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: But we got a rat, we got a mouse, whatever,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: a lizard, you just go, get some peanut butter. And
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: now humans are the only creatures that can't eat peanut butter.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: The animal kingdom. You can catch a buffalo with peanut butter.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: Every animal on the planet agrees on peanut butter. But
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: we're removing it from the classroom.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 2: That's so funny and it's so true. Remember these to
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: hand out peanuts and airplanes, and they stopped doing it
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: because people got so bad with peanut analogies that the
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: peanut dust was dangerous.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: Right, And so what is going on in the last
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes. It's not like human physiology has changed that
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: much in the last forty years that everyone is allergic
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: to peanuts, like you are removing them. We're not building
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: a tolerance to anything. Our systems are weakened because you've
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: sterilized everything in our world. Everything is sterilized now, and
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: now we're vulnerable because we didn't build up any immunity
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: to anything. But I really don't.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: Like when you go to space, they got a big
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: problem no gravity, right, their bodies wither yep, And they
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: need to figure out like they agree, you need gravity.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: You need gravity in the world of ideas, and you
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: need gravity in the world of your microbiome and your gut.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Like we just a human beings, We just need gravity everywhere.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: It's not some kind of resistance.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you need somebody pushing against weights, like you need
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: gravity for your quads, and you need them for your ideas,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: and you need them for your immune system.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the problem with dumb people. Maybe they're just
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: out of shape, just brain wise, like they've had they've
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: never They're just like a couch potato for the brain.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: They just never tried to get it moving. Maybe it's
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: not even that they're that dumb, that they just have
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: the dumb patterns. Well, I know, obviously, I don't think
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: everyone's a blank slate. I think some people definitely have
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: intellectual advantages at a young age. But I think, you
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: know the amount of people that just kind of give
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: up and never put forth any effort at all. It's
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: a lot, man, it's a lot.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's you know, I think a lot of
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: it is because I grew up in a real downtrodden
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: environment and you just kind of get broken. Just like
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: like I could remember sitting around watching TV and it's
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: like the Brady Buncher going to Hawaii, and I'd go like,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: who goes to Hawaii? How do you even go to Hawaii?
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: Like how would you get to Hawaii? Who has? And
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: then they check into a hotel and it pulls a
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: credit card out? Like who's got a credit card? How
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: would you do this? Like that's for other people, Like
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's how you would look Almost every commercial where
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: you'd see somebody successful or sitcom or something like that.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: I would just go, well, that's for other people. That's
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: not for us. And so you get really like broken,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: and then you just kind of buy in and then
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: you go, well, this is my lot in life. That's
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: for like other people, and and and it's it's it's
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: it like infects you, and it infects whole communities, you
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And they just go there's nothing better,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: Like it's not that we don't know. There's credit cards
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: and big homes and nice cars, like I knew about
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: all of it, but it wasn't for me, or it
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't for my family, and it wasn't for my friends.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: And you just buy into a system where you go, well,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: this is it, and you do it early, and it's stifling.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: I think it's very difficult to break out unless you
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: find a thing that you do, maybe a sport where
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: you travel and go to different places and meet different people. Something.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: It has to be something you get involved in, something
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: where you tap into a community of people that think differently.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: You start a band, you know, whatever it is. Find
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: if you find a thing where there's a bunch of
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: sort of forward minded people that are, you know, optimistic
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: and have a good work ethic, that's contagious. But if
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: you're just stuck in your neighborhood with the same people
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: and the same family members that are real negative, it's
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: a giant problem because they programmed you, whether you realize
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: it or not. As much as you want to pretend
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: you're holy and entirely independent, no one is. Everyone is
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: at least partially dependent upon the people they surround themselves
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: with and the energy of the people they surround themselves with. Yeah,
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: it's hard.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember I said to my mom when I
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: was like eight, I was like, why don't you get
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: a job? You know, because if you get a job,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: then maybe we could go to Hawaii with the Bradys.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: We could have a decent car, like a something, We
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: could have stuff. Because I wasn't really thinking about you know,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing. My whole life. No one ever
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: said the word career. They said job, you got to
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: get a job. They didn't go career, They go like,
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: what do you want to do? What are you good at?
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: They didn't think in terms of career. You get a job,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: it sucks, but you got the weekends, you know. But
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: I said to my mom, I go, why don't you
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: get a job, and she goes, I get a job,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: I'll lose my welfare. And I was like, oh, I
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: guess that. Yeah, that makes sense, Like that's I was eight,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: you know. I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: And then I realized the fact that it made sense
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: to me means it's being sort of indoctrinated into that systems.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: It's a it's beneficial for really poor people. It's also
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: a trap.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: Oh it's a free stuff is a pusage cage, man?
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: It is? It is bad. We had a free house
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: and welfare and it was stifling.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It was you You're so like like sometimes people
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: go like, why'd you get into comedy? And I'm like,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted some air conditioning, man, Really, I go, yeah,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: it was miserable, like it was sucked. I drove a
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: truck it didn't have air conditioning, A crappy apartment didn't
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: have air conditioning. I went to a job site and
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: there was no air and I was in the San
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Fernando Valley like I'm boiling, you know. So I did
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: it because I wanted air conditioning, but I had to
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: be miserable like I was. I had discomfort. I was
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: not comfortable. I didn't have air and I wanted air,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: and so I knew to get air, I had to
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: get paid. And so I was. I was like motivated
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: to do stuff, and when you're kind of comfortable, you're
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: not really that motivated. And I realized, like when you
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: were young, when I was young, like we were like.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: I was probably confused, but I was hungry. I was like,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: I want to get something done, like I want to
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: do something. I want to do something. And I would
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: talk to people like young dudes, you know, who worked
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: for me or whatever. And I wasn't trying to insult them,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: but I was kind of curious. I'd be like, you're
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: thirty year old dude, and you're just not getting it done,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: like you're I wouldn't say it to him, but I'd
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: be like, what are you into? You know? And I
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: realized that there was no fire in the belly, you
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like when you came up when
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: you were younger, Like when I met Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: was like twenty six when I met him, and he
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: was like he was on it. He had a motor
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: like he wanted to do something and I was like, good,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: I want to do something too. We'll do it together.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: You know. There's like a fire and I start talking
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: all these young dudes and I'm like, what's up? You know.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: They're like man, and I go, what's the deal. So
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: you got a car and it's got air conditioning and
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: it runs, and you're not really a car guy, Like
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a car guy. But when you're poor and you're
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: a car guy, it's super frustrating, right, because you want
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: something cool, Like I wanted a cool car, but I
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: had to drive a truck with a lumber rack and
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: a bedbox on it because I'm a carpenter and I
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: can't have a sports car because you can't put plywood
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: in a sports car, you know. So I would talk
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: to these young guys and I'd go, you car guys.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: They go, nah, I don't really like what do you like?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: Video games? Edibles? I like pot, video games and watching
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: stuff on Netflix? And I go, you got a big TV?
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: That go yeah, I got a seventy inch TV. I
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: got a Minnie Cooper Automatic with air and I like
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: to eat pot, you know. And I'd be like, you
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: have air conditioning. They'd be like, yeah, I mean like, oh,
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: you don't want anything.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: They don't want anything.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: You don't want anything like I wanted cool cars with
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: air conditioning in them. And so I was motivated to
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: do stuff.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: Don't you think that some people are just internally motivated anyway,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: because they become curious about something and they really want
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: to get good at it. Oh, that's an inherent part
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: of being a person.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: I do one of the more one of the most
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: interesting things. And I don't know why it just stuck
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: with me from years ago. But I was watching one
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: of those like twenty twenty shows or forty eight hours
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and they were showing guys who
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: trained dogs, like dogs who sniffed out gunpowder at the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: airport or contraband or whatever, you know. And I was
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: looking at this thing and I was thinking to myself.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, every time there's a dog that does something,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: sniffs out drugs or explosives or whatever, they're all different
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: breeds of dogs. And I was like, why are they
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: all different breeds of dogs? Like why isn't there like
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: one dog that does all super good at gunpowder and
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: cocaine and whatever. And in the show. They go, well,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: we just go down to the pound. We get any
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: dog and then we can train them. And the guy goes, well,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: how do you know what dog to get? And they
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: go the enthusiastic dog. Like you go the pound. Some
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: dogs just sleeping. You walk in, it doesn't lift its head.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: The other dog's jumping up and down doing backflips, and
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: they go, we'll get that dog because that dog's enthusiastic.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: Now he doesn't know anything about gunpowder or cocaine, but
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: he's got a motor, and we're going to teach you.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: And I started thinking, oh, I know a lot of
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: people that are like tired pound dogs. Yes, And then
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that are yappy pound dogs.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: And once you take the yappy pound dog like Joe Rogan,
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: you go, will go ahead and get into bow hunting.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: And you go, what does he know about bow hunting?
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: He's like nothing, but he's gonna find out and he's
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: going to learn and he's going to practice because he's
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: got a motor.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people I know they're just
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: kind of flatliners and they don't have that motor. And
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: if you have the motor, you'll be fine. Well.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: Part of the motor is your physical body, and that's
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: something that a lot of like self professed intellectuals, like
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: to ignore. The amount of energy that you have to
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: think about things is dependent upon the amount of energy
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 2: your whole system has. A giant part of your system
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: is your body, and it's not just a vanity thing.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: It's a function of it. If it works better, you
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: think better. Everything works. I see it on a day
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: to day basis. If I have a day where I
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: do not work out my brain, I don't think as quickly,
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work as well, more irritable. Maybe I don't
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: react the same way that I would if I was
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: more calm and relaxed after a workout. There's a lot
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: of things going on where it balances out your mind
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: and your ability to think. It alleviates anxiety, lets you
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: think more clearly. And one of the things that writers
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: like to say, it's one of the best. And I
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: was actually just talking to someone about this yesterday. A
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: comic does this after you write to go for a walk,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: go for a walk and get your blood pumping. And
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: when you go for a walk, sometimes when you're thinking
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: about those ideas, new ideas would just pop into your
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: head because it's like the seeds are already planted, now
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: go for a walk. You're watering them like it's the
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: whole system works together. And if you want to have energy,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: if you want to have a motor, well, the best
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: way to have a motor is have a physical body
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: that works well. If your physical body doesn't work well,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: you're gonna you're tired all the fucking time. And you
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: could say it's oh, I'm getting older, I'm getting this
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: like a lot of it is just ignoring your physical
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: body for too long and it atrophies. Just like you're
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: about everything needs gravity, Well, you need fucking gravity. You
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: need weights. You need to pick things up and move
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: them around, because if you don't, you can't pick things
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: up and move them around because your body thinks you
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: never have to do that.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: I agree, and I also would add you need curiosity. Yes,
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: you're a curious person. And all the curious people I
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: know are doing just fine. And then there's people I
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: know they're just not curious. And that's a weird gift.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: I guess it's I don't know how to make someone curious.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: I think as a comedian, it's you're sort of curious,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: you know, And I could remember even when I was young.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: I'd go, what's the difference between you know, why they
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: call it a sofa or a couch? What's the difference
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: between a sofa and a couch or curtains and drapes?
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: Is there a difference or we just have a difference.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: And every one of my friends would go, I don't know,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: shut up, who cares? I realized they aren't curious about
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: stuff like I was constantly being curious. And by the way,
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: your curiosity is annoying to uncurious people, which happens a lot.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but if you're curious, it's almost it's like
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about your physicality, like it'll feed you. Yes,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: you most everything you know is started in curiosity, just
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 1: wanting to know about this stuff, you know. And for
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: other people, and many people, they lack a curiosity.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: Do you think that's inherent or do you think that
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: is how they grew up.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to think of nature more than nurture, Like
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: I used to be more nurture than nature. I have twins,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: and I have boy girl twins, and they're totally different.
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: And one of them is that own dog jumping up
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: and down, and the others just sort of chillax, you know.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: And I didn't make them one way or the other.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: They got raised, they got fed the same thing, they
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: went to the same schools, they breathed the same air,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like they just sort of
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: were who they are. And I think you can take
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: something like a motor that's like a little too much
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: and guide it and sort of nurture it and figure
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: out an outlet for it, you know, like a sport
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: or something, and there's things you can do. But like,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: my sister's totally different than I am, and I didn't
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: get this way or that way. My parents didn't instill
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: anything in me. I didn't didn't guide me. I didn't
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: have conversations with them about things. I wasn't exposed to anything.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: I was just kind of who I was.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense that we see it in nature, right.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: We see it in animals for sure. Like there's a
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: Golden Retriever that's what I have, and then there's a
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: Belgium melwah. There are two very different dogs. One of
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: them is a great family pet and one of them
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: is a meat missile. Right, And that's just how they
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: come out of the box, right, and the idea that
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 2: that wouldn't be the case with humans, it's kind of ridiculous.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, why should we And I know we do
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: it because we're sort of narcissistic and we have to
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: claim some dominion over things, Like it's kind of religion,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like when we had to
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: create it to go. Well, Grandpa's in a better place
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: now and he's been reunited with his old golden retriever
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: he died eight years earlier, and we're just kind of
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: constructing a thing because we need some control, like we
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: need to feel like not having control is really threatening
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: to a lot of people. I don't have that problem,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: Like I don't mind not having control.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: I realized. I realized when I'm racing a car in
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: the car goes out of control, which has happened a
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: few times, I sort of just relax. I don't try
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: to grab and overcorrect and because you're get in more trouble.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: Like there's a version of this for sports, there's a
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: version for life, there's a version for relationships, there's a
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: version for driving race cars. But to sort of relax,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: like if you can, you can see film of me
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: spinning a nine thirty five backwards in a race in
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: the middle of the race, and you can see me.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything like I will relax in that environment.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: But they're people need control, I mean sort of religious control,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: or like, here's the way I control my kid. I
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: get them violin lessons, and then I take them to
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: the French tutor, and then I take them to this
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: camp and space camp and that camp, you know, and
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: they're they're they're trying to do something. You have to
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of admit they kind of are who they are.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: You can't really control it. You can fuck them up,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: you can molest them and get them you hooked on
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: vicotin or something when they're fourteen, but basically you're there
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: to be there and not fuck them up, and to
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: offer things and try to go. You know, if you
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: see your kid banging on pots and pans all day,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 1: you go, somebody needs a drum kit, because I think
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: this is what I think, this is what your thing is,
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And somebody probably should have
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: got a hold of me. And when seems like comedy
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: maybe something you'd like, not swinging a hammer, But I
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: figured it out because it was there.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: Well, nobody could ever really give you that advice, honestly,
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: because the problem is most people that aren't involved in
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: it don't even know where to start, how you would
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: do it, how difficult it would be, how long the
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: process is, what is it like to actually put together
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: in there?
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't think your mom or your
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: dad can craft a good, tight twenty minute set for you.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: Never encourage you to do it. They very few parents
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 2: would encourage their kid to take such a risky approach
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: to life.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: Now, I agree. I think there's a middle ground where
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: they go, you seem to like to talk, or you
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: seem to like ideas, or you seem to be sort
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: of creative.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: So ideally, right, it depends on the family. Maybe there's
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: it's a family that doesn't encourage creativity. Maybe the dad's
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: in finance, maybe the mom is you know, who knows.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 2: But maybe they're just not into risk at all, and
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: they just want you to go to school and get
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: a degree, and you're just annoying, and then they go,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: maybe we should take them to a doctor and get
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: them some mat or get them some something. He can't concentrate.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree, I think. I think as a parent,
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to observe and you're supposed to look, and
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: the kid will guide you. They'll they'll have a propensity,
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll bang on pots and pans, so they'll like
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: sports or whatever it is, right, and then your job
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: is to sort of go that way and help facilitate that,
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: you know. And conversely, like I grew up, I started
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: playing Pop Warner football when I was seven, Like I
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: played tackle football when I was seven, and I played
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: my whole life, or my whole you know, until I
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: was you know, nineteen or something. And I always was
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: like every good lesson I ever got was on that
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: football field. Man, everything I learned, all my whatever success
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: I have, I owe it to that. Because I got
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: intestinal fortitude, I learned a lot of tough lessons and
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 1: now I use that. And so like I was like,
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: if my son is going to play football, because he's
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: going to learn all those valuable lessons I've learned. My
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: son didn't play any football, didn't really like it and
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: it wasn't his thing, and I didn't force him into
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: it at all. I was just like all the stuff
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: that I was into football, cars wrenching on cars, race cars,
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: you know, all that kind of stuff, swinging a hammer,
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: building architecture. My son's not down with any of it.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm fine, but you got to find your own thing.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to try to stuff you into
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: this thing that's gonna make you resent me later.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a good move. But a lot of
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: parents fall down that trap, that's for sure. Yeah. It's
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: just I mean, if you have a child that wants
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: to be a comedian, it's probably a fucking terrible feeling like,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: oh my god, Like what is he trying to do?
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: Like how do you even start?
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: Like, well, but get a degree, Go get a degree,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: You're going to get a job. You're going to work
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: in a respectable position.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Anybody try to talk See, my thing was no one
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: ever tried to talk me out of anything because they
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: weren't trying to talk me into something either. You know,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, Adam, you're going to be a physician. There
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: was like the thing was you got to leave and
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: get a job, right and then we're done. So I
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: never had anyone say it was a hair brain idea
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: or it's not going to work, because they didn't care
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: enough to get that involved. It's not like I was
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: going to go into my dad's unfinished furniture business and
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: and open that in And I don't imagine you got
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of that either, did you know?
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: No? But that's the good thing. I got to figure
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: it out on my own.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: Well. You know, the thing that's kind of cool about
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: where you landed is it's organic in the sense that, like,
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: I ran into someone who I went to high school
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: with and I asked him what he's doing, and he's
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: doing fine. He goes. I do outdoor signage. I do
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: big vinyl signs. When the oscars come to town. We
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: print the signs that hang to whatever. And it's his business,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: it's his dad's business, it's their family business. And I
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: thought nobody when they're fifteen says I'm going to make
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: vinyl signage. They want to be an astronaut or baseball
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: player or comedian or whatever. But you're doing it. But
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: is this really where you belong or is it just
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: because your dad did it and it's lucrative and whatever.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: And the thing that I'm happy about, at least as
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: it pertains to stand up or comedy or whatever, cars
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm into it's all organic. There's no dad
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: was a comedian, or dad raced cars or dad had.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: Because you're into cars, you're into doing a podcast because
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 2: you enjoy it. Yeah.
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: Right, So you know you're where you should be because
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: you didn't get sort of artificially coaxed or pushed into
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: something where it's just kind of like, yeah, I'm a
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: doctor because my dad is a doctor, or a lawyer,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: like whatever that thing is, Like you can own it
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Yeah, And I think it's fine if
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: your dad's a lawyer and you become a lawyer and
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: you take overs practice one day, Like that's good, that's successful,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: you're paying taxes.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, can you ever one hundred percent
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: really own it like you can own Maybe.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: You couldn't or I couldn't, But maybe for some people
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: that's fine, you know, I don't.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to set No, it's definitely. It's definitely fun.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know if they think about it.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I know you would. But the thing is,
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: like you have the very fortunate situation that I have,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: which is we are our own boss. And when you
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: are your own boss, it's infinitely easier you're responsible for
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: all the stuff you do.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: You know what to do.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: No one's telling you what to do or how to
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: do it. No one's telling you what to say. You
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: say what you want to say. And that's very rare.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: It's very rare and very fortunate.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: And it also is freeing because, like the aforementioned CNN
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 1: Sanjay Gupto whatever, you're in an apparatus. And it's an
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: apparatus where I don't think people are actually explicitly told lie,
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: you know, here's what we're saying. But it's sort of
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: like if you worked at a big company and the
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: president was vegan and you started showing up with a
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: ham sandwich for lunch and someone's like, I don't think
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: you should eat that for the carry and he's vegan. Yeah, okay,
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: well he doesn't appreciate. You'd go okay, and you would
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: start getting the idea that this wasn't a great plan,
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so would everyone who
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: worked at that place, right, and then eventually you'd go
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: what's for lunch and they'd go the veggie lover sub
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: and you'd go, well, what about the roast beef? And
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 1: someone goes listen, man, I'm not telling you you can't
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: eat it. I'm saying it's probably a good idea if
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: you'd like to grow with this company, to just eat
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: the fucking veggie sub, would you, especially if Gary comes
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: down here. And so it's not like anyone it's not
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: like the boss showed up and what you can't eat
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: chicken anymore. It's understood what's going on around there. And
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: if you were working for CNN and you just walk
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: in and you go, hey, listen, you know, I don't
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: agree with Trump about everything, but I think he's right
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 1: about this ivermectin thy people start looking at you sideways,
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: and you'd get the idea that maybe you weren't long
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: for that job. And that's what you got to deal
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 1: with in any environment, you know. And the thing that's
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: nice about creating your own environment is back to being organic.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's what you believe.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: It may not be one hundred percent accurate, it may
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: not be right all the time, but it is authentic.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: But how crazy is it that authentic is rare? Like
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 2: that We've made it all the way to twenty twenty
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: five with all the communication we have with the internet,
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: and authentic is still rare. That's really weird. Well so
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: easy to do.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 1: I think we're so obsessed with not being cast out.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: Being cast out is like a major human thing, you know,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: And I've realized, Like I remember, I always bring it
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: up on my podcast. I don't know why, but I
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: was in and with the Brady family. I was in Maui,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: you know, just ten years ago, and I was sitting
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: at a table having brunch with like a bunch of
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 1: nice people. We traveled to Maui with you know, the
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: couples and the kids, and go to the resort and
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: it's the dads and the moms and there's like ten
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: adults and everyone brings their kids and all that. And
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: we're sitting having brunch. You were like enjoying ourselves, and
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: somehow someone fired up a leaf blower in the back,
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: you know, some gardener up to the side, and it's like, God, damn,
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: leaf blower, can't enjoy our conversations too loud or whatever.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: And I said to the table, I go, you know,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: leaf blowers are illegal in Los Angeles. They basically criminalized
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: leaf blowers in like ninety six or ninety seven or something,
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: but it's not enforced at all, and everyone's like they're illegal,
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, the gas powered ones are illegal.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: And these guys up and down my street all day
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 1: with these things. I go yeah, they go, why don't
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: they enforce them? I go, well, because it's all Mexicans
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 1: who make their living with the leaf blower, and the
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: city council doesn't like the optics of coming down on
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: the poor Mexican gardeners who use their leaf blower. So
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: it's really illegal, but the Mexicans use it, and they
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: turned the other way, they tear they look the other
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: way because they don't like the opp and everyone looked
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: at me and went like that sounds kind of racist
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: or something. I was like, I go, no, it's just
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 1: what happened. And they're like I don't agree. You're saying
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: Mexicans shouldn't be whatever. In the whole table like turned
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: on me, and I realized, wait a minute, none of
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: you assholes know anything about this subject. I know because
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: I read an article on it. There was literally like
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 1: the million man Mexican March. They went down to city Hall,
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: they brought their leaf blowers, and the lily white city
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: council was like, we don't like the optics of busting
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: poor hardworking Mexican gardener.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: I remember all this right, and Brian Holtzman had a
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: bit about.
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: It, telling the table about I wish he was with
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: me and MAUI could have defended me. But I was
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: still there, and I realized, like the whole table was
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: turning on me because they were like kind of white
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: liberal folks. They're my friends there, and they were turning
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: on me. And I realized, I go, listen, I maybe
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: you don't like it, maybe it sounds racist. I don't
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 1: know what you think. I'm just telling you leaf blowers
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: are illegal, but they're used all day, every day because
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 1: this city won't enforce the law because they don't like
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: the optics of it. And everyone was like having problems
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 1: with me. And then I realized I ruined brunch. I
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: ruined brunch. But I was like, I'm not listen, assholes,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not backing down. Just I'm not apologizing. I know
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. What do you want me to say? Sorry,
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: you don't like it. But what I realized is half
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: the people at the table were just going along with
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 1: the other half. They didn't know anything. They know only
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: thing about leaf blowers or laws or city council. They
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: just realized that I was the one being thrown out
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: of the truck vibe and they wanted to stay in
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: the tribe. So everyone took a subject they didn't know
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: shit about and turned on the guy who knew something
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 1: about it and said he was bad and should go
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 1: out to the cornfield. Because they were all and this
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: is socially, it's like no one was going to lose
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: their job. They were just eating brunch. But it all
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 1: kicked in and I could see, like the wives who
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: had no thoughts about leaf blowers, like going, yeah, man,
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: I don't agree. The chairs are like scooching away from
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: me and stuff, and I thought, oh, I'm being thrown
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: out of the tribe. And that's when I realized that
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: was just about leaf blowers, and those are my friends.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: Now we go to COVID and it's a real deal. Now,
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 1: that feeling of not wanting to be excommunicated from the tribe,
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 1: and it's so easy to get everyone to go along
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 1: with everything because we have that innate, baked in human
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 1: quality of not wanting to be ostracized and pushed out
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 1: of the tribe. And I also started to realize that
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: you're good at what you do, and so you can
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: say and do what you want. Most people are mediocre
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 1: at what they do and they can't afford to be unpopular.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: And this is something I sort of I was talking
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: to Greg Gutfeld about it some years ago. I was
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: just doing a podcast with him and I was interviewing him,
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: and it started kind of dawn on me that, like
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 1: when you're really good and you could be a really
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 1: good carpenter, Like if you're really master carpenter, you're never
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: out of work. No one caives a shit what your
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: thoughts are about politics or COVID. You walk around the
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: MAGA hat on, it doesn't matter.
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: We need you.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: Like you're good, you're skilled, And when you're really good
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 1: at comedy or you're good at whatever, you cannot be
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 1: thrown out. You can't be squashed, you can't be times,
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: but you gotta be good. If you're sort of in
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 1: the middle, and most people are in the middle, it's
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a popularity contest, like you gotta
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 1: you better eat vegan, and you better say the right thing.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: You better put that black square on your Twitter right
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 2: or on your Instagram.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: Which I did not do, but they told me you
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 1: gotta do it. It's not doing it.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: It was so nuts just watching people do it. But yeah,
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: and that's we're out of coffee, all right, that might
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: be a little bit.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 1: That's all right. I love coffee.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of there.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: That is a thing that a lot of people lack
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: in this life.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the problem is is like if you think
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: you're good and you're not good, you get smacked down,
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: like you get into trouble. Right, So if you're not
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: that good, you go screw this. I'm not working for
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 1: CNN anymore. I'm gonna go do my own podcast. And
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 1: you're not that good, then you're in trouble, right. And
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: if you go, I'm going to blow this taco stand
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: and get out of this business. I'm going to do something.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to open a restaurant. But you're not that good,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: you'll get into trouble. And most people are sort of
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: living in the middle and kind of fearful. But if
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: you're good and you kind of own it and you're
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: calibrated and you know you're good, and you can kind
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: of say what you want and you can kind of
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 1: do what you want, but you you have to be
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 1: good and like all the people that were sort of
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 1: in mainstream media that like broke out and start doing
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: their own thing were good. I mean they they thought
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: they were good, and they thought they were good enough.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: When you're in the middle, it's vulnerable. Yeah, you kind
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: of kinda watch yourself and mind your p's and q's.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: And it's also the thing that you were talking about
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 2: at the dinner table, where all those other people who
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: didn't know anything about it were signaling to the tribe
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: that they were you know, that they didn't want to
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: get cast out. They go to the good.
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, that's.
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: A there's so many cowards that do that. There's so
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: many people that are just terrified and they don't encounter
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of difficulty in their life, a lot of
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: like real anxiety inducing difficulty, and so when something does
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: come up that's like that, they just fold. They just
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: want to be comfortable again, Like what do I.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: Have to do? It's so sad. And it's also people
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: people in dignity, like dignity and character Like character used
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: to be something we talked about. We don't really talk
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 1: about character anymore. And it's also people like they're resting
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: state of a lot of people is weak and kind
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: of like a little disappointing, and it's it's it's like
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: I think guys that are have like high character people
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: and also stoic type people are kind of really always
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 1: dis appointed by people. Like like, you're probably a pretty
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: stoic guy and you see how people act and you go, oh,
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: like like it's sad, you know what I mean, like
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 1: like yeah, and it's sort of I don't know why
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: it reminded me, but when I lived in uh, Santa
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 1: Monica a million years ago, somebody got their pers stolen
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: out on the street at night. I was this poor
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: guy living in a ring control apartment, swinging a hammer,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, driving a Zuzu Trooper, and I was coming
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: home at night. It was at nine o'clock at night.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: I was just with groceries and I walked up to
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: my apartment and I heard a woman screaming out on
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: the street. He's got my purse, like help, look just
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 1: out in the street. I couldn't really see it from
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 1: where I was, so I just ran out there because
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: a woman was screaming. And I got there and she said,
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 1: guy stole my purty. Guy, he's got my stuff. You know,
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 1: and I just start chasing the guy, just sort of instinctively.
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't really think about it. I was just chasing
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: him and uh, and I was like, well, box, I
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: played football like, I felt good. I was in good shape.
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't have much to lose. I
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: didn't have anything. So I just start chasing him. And
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: that guy was trying to pick him up in a
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: car because they had like a wheel guy. But I
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 1: was too close to the guy and he couldn't get
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: in the car. I chased him like a couple of blocks,
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: and eventually just threw the briefcase of the purse. He
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: just threw it and he kept running. And when he
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: threw everything down, I just stopped. It was all scattered
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: around the sidewalk and I stopped. I started like put
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: it back together, and I was like, I'm not going
• 2:39:31
  Speaker 1: to chase the guy. He dropped all this stuff. And
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: then the woman showed up and she started getting her
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: stuff together, and at some point the neighbor started filing
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: out onto the street and a crowd kind of gathered up,
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 1: and then a cop pulled up at a certain point,
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 1: and the cop was like, what went on here? What happened,
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: and I remember the neighbors. They go, well, we heard
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 1: this woman screaming, so we all ran out and chased
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: the guide. I was like, noney, you ran out chased anybody.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 1: I ran out and chased the guy he dropped the stuff,
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: and then ten minutes later, you guys all came out
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: in your bathrobes, but you didn't chase anybody. But then
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: I realized that's what they want. They wanted to be
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 1: that person, but they weren't that person, so they created
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 1: this scenario where they were that person. And I listened
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: to them all, like talk to the cops, and I've
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 1: just stood there. I didn't say anything. I wanted to
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 1: hear what they had to say. And they all told
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 1: the same story, like when I heard a woman screaming,
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 1: I snapped into action and ran out. You know, It's like, noney,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: you did any of this because I was there, and
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 1: I realized, Oh, people have a real They have a
• 2:40:49
  Speaker 1: version of themselves that's in their head, and then there's
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: the version of them that's kind of a lazy coward.
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 1: And they're busy watching that film footage of the hero
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: stuff and nobody thinks, like, no one during Covid said,
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: I'm bad and I'm weak and I'm dumb, and that's
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: why I made fun at Joe Rogan or whatever.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 2: They just go.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 1: I was trying to do the right thing, trying to
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: save people we didn't know. You know, there's always this
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: sort of heroes reel that's running in their head. It's
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: not the real one. It's not the one you know.
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: It's not the weak, cowardly one. It's the stoic, strong one.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: It's the one that heard a Dansel in distress and
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: snapped into action. Damn the torpedoes. I came running outside
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: to find this guy and chased him. That's what's in
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: your head. The reality is you were looking out the
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 1: window and you were scared.
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and most people don't really have any moments like
• 2:41:48
  Speaker 2: that in their life. Well then, go, oh, remember that
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: time that guy had the person He ran down the
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: street and we tackled him. Let's do that again. It's
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: happening now. Like most people, that's never gonna happen. No,
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: I your safe little life.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, but fear is a crusher, yeah, man, I mean
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of fear goes a long way.
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially with men, the desire to inflate their
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: participation in any heroic act. Yeah, men love to pretend
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 2: they's something they're not. It's amazing.
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: It's sad, Joe, it definitely is.
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: But it's also a symptom of a lack of being tested.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: The people, all the people that I know that Like
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 2: I always say this about MMA fighters, they're like the
• 2:42:34
  Speaker 2: nicest people you're ever gonna run into, for sure, because
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 2: they don't they don't have to test themselves with you.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: They've been tested constantly.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: No, there there's something about the boxer and the fighter
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 1: and those guys that are like so secure in their
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 1: version or vision of themselves that they're never overcompensating with
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other horseshit. And I sort of always
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 1: like those guys and and I've always found it to
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 1: be that way, like being in boxing gyms and stuff,
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: like the movie version of the boxing gym is a
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: tough guy, you know, whatever the rallies is. People are
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 1: like I could remember like back in the day, like
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 1: the bell, you know, because you're on a bell. You know,
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: the whole gym was on a bell, right like three
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 1: minutes and then one minute off or whatever. Like it's
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes You'd go walking up to a heavy bag because
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: you didn't think the guy was on it, and then
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 1: some huge dude would come up and go, oh, I'm sorry,
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 1: I was working on that bag, and I go oh, okay,
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: and you go sorry, you can get in, and like
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like, hey, bro, you know, well, there wasn't
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: any of that. It was always really they always seemed
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: like secure and kind of calm. I mean it was
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 1: sort of like a big dog versus a yappy little dog,
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the big dog sort of
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 1: knows and and I appreciate it, and I like that,
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: and I definitely like those guys. And I I see
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: why you like. You like those kind of guys, because
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 1: they're just more attractive, Like they're just better. And I
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 1: was going to tell you that, you know, people like
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: there's so many weird, soft sort of dudes like transitioning
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 1: and all that shit, and then there's these sort of
• 2:44:21
  Speaker 1: carnivore meat lovers mma guys going on. And I was
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 1: someone it was doctor Drew. Doctor dru Away says to me,
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 1: where are we going? What's going on? Where are we
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 1: heading as a society? When are we going to fix this? Essentially,
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: and I just said safe spaces and octagons. It's like,
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: what do you mean, I go the fucking safe space.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: People are going to go further that way. And then
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 1: there's a group of people that are moving to Florida
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 1: and moving to Texas and they're going the other direction.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 1: Like in LA when they started pushing electric cars, I
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: started seeing tons of ram duly pickup trucks popping up.
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 1: Like every for every one person you push into an
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: electric car or prius, another dude buys a ram and
• 2:45:09
  Speaker 1: puts a gun rack on it. Like like, that's what
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 1: we're doing. And I don't know how it's going to end,
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you we're just going safe spaces
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: and octagons. It's going to be move out to Texas
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 1: and practice MMA with Joe Rogan, or it's going to
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 1: be moved to Seattle and get your dick cut off,
• 2:45:28
  Speaker 1: and there'll be nothing in between.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 2: That's the ultimate civil war.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it's my conclusion that the safe spaces eventually
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: are going to have to come to the octagons and
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 1: go we need protection, well, we need you.
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 2: It's a great way to look at the world right now,
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 2: and it's it's certainly a symptom of going one way
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 2: or the other, and it just but I always wonder
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 2: is it the nature of the nurture thing? Like is
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 2: there something wrong with not just society but also the
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: vironment that we are creating more biological organisms that are
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 2: susceptible to weakness, you know, like not just physical weakness,
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 2: but emotional and psychological weakness. Like there's a thing that's
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: going on that's on top of what's going on as
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 2: far as culture and society. And that's like microplastics in
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 2: people's dies. They're destroying their indocrine systems.
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: That's all like trackable talking like a spork in our
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 1: brain worth a plastic right now?
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  Speaker 2: Doc Doctor Shanni Swan has an amazing book about it.
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: You should you all should read it because it's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a lot of practical organic stuff
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 1: like plastics and microplastics and stuff like.
• 2:46:40
  Speaker 2: That, environmental toxins, what you were talking about before, living
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: in cities, not being encountering nature, all of that.
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  Speaker 1: But there's also why do you need to be able
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 1: to fight anymore? You don't need it, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Like, we don't live. Why do you need
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 1: to be able to lift heavy things, you know what
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like like, hey, man, if you're a coal
• 2:47:02
  Speaker 1: miner or you work on a farm and there's bales
• 2:47:05
  Speaker 1: of hay and you got to check. You can't have
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: a wimpy guy right throwing bales of hay up onto
• 2:47:10
  Speaker 1: the loft, you know. But everything is computerized in their condition,
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 1: and you're in your cubicle, like what do we need
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  Speaker 1: you for? You know, like what's the necessity? Like why
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't we get softer and weaker. We're not bailing hay
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: and throwing it up to the barn anymore. We're not
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 1: mending the fences. Nobody's having to you know, wrangle the steers.
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 1: Or we don't have to make cabins. You don't have
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 1: to chop a tree down and make a cabin anymore.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: You go to Ikea and there's a cabin there you
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 1: can buy, you know, made in China. Like, we're not
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't we go this way?
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: Well it's natural. Well, when you look at aliens, they're
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 2: never jacked, right, you never see a jacked alien. You
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: see these these aliens that have no muscle tone, they
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 2: have no gender. And that's where we're headed.
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: But that is a great name for an energy drink
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: Jacked Alien, Joe, if you threw your considerable weight behind
• 2:48:04
  Speaker 1: my new product, Jack Dalen Monster red Ball, we would
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: kill it. Jack Dalien, We'd be sponsoring X Games. Fighters
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: would be in every ring, would be in every octagon
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: we want.
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 2: We might hold this podcast for a couple of days
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 2: and get a patent on Jacked Alien.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: You might have to. You're gonna be the face of
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 1: Jack's Alien.
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 2: What's where humanity seems to be heading some sort of
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 2: genderless direction? Yeah, everyone's a giant egghead.
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 1: Right, you don't need to fuck and you don't need
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 1: to fight. So what do we? What do we? What
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 1: do we need all this ship for?
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 2: If the aliens aren't real? I think that's what the architect.
• 2:48:43
  Speaker 2: There's an Jacked Alien website.
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 1: What is it really? That's hilarious and they make workout clothes.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sewing the ship out of that. That's my ip man.
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 2: Jacked Alien. That's hilarious. Well, we just gave them some press.
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Jack d Alien. I hope you got
• 2:49:04
  Speaker 2: cool shit. But when we think about what human beings
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 2: are eventually going to be, the alien archetype is what
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 2: makes the most sense, right, like genderless, not using their
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 2: mouth to talk anymore, giant fucking hell, Why no muscle
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 1: Why do you need big biceps to move a joystick
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: to push a button?
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 2: And the only reason why it's attractive if you don't
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 2: need it, is like a biological reproduction attractiveness, right the
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 2: hips of a girl, the waste, the beautiful symmetry of
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 2: the face. All that stuff is just biological reinforced vibe
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 2: to get you to breed with good genetic people. But
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 2: if all that's out the window and all breeding is
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 2: done through some sort of a computer or something along
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 2: those lines.
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: But also, why do you need any of it? If
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 1: it's antiquated, you know what I mean? Like, if we're
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: just a society of button pushers, what do you need
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 1: that big v strapping dude, big shoulder.
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 2: Depends on what's going on in the in the body,
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 2: Like are you the still do you still have the
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 2: same monkey body that you had ten thousand years ago?
• 2:50:06
  Speaker 2: Because if you do, you're going to need to exercise
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 2: just for sanity, and it'll help you to have all
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 2: those things and things like jiu jitsu. Yeah, you probably
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 2: don't need to use jiu jitsu ever, in your life
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 2: if you're lucky. But it's a good thing to learn
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 2: because it's really fucking hard to do.
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 1: I agree, And I think doing things that are hard
• 2:50:25
  Speaker 1: to do are good. And I think doing things that
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 1: scare you are good. And I've had a bunch of
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 1: situations in my life where people like people would say
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: to me all the time, they go, what made you
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: decide to do Dancing with the Stars? I go, I
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 1: didn't decide to do it. I remember where I was
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 1: and my agent called and he said, they want you
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 1: to do Dancing with the Stars. And as soon as
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 1: he said that, I felt that weird fear, Like remember
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 1: when you're in junior high and they're like, Johnny Finnegan
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 1: wants to meet you by the tunnel afters and you're like, oh,
• 2:51:01
  Speaker 1: you had that moment, remember that weird fear moment. And
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 1: they said do dancing with the stars. And I went,
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 1: I felt that weird junior high. He's gonna fight you
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 1: after school, like that weird feeling of fear. I'm making
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 1: a fool of myself, you know. And I felt it.
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 1: And I could have went, oh that's lame, or I
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 1: wouldn't embarrass myself on that show, but I felt fear.
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 1: As soon as I felt fear, I was like, I'll
• 2:51:28
  Speaker 1: do it because I realized that everything would be a lie.
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: Like I could go that's stupid or that's lame, or
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, but that wouldn't be
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: the reason. The reason is is I was scared. I
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 1: felt scared. I can't dance. I'm gonna humiliate myself and
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 1: you can get like most of the stuff I've done
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 1: that has been good. I did a professional trans am
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 1: car race once and I was just like, someone said,
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 1: you want to do it, and I was like, I'll
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 1: do it. But it was only because I was like,
• 2:52:02
  Speaker 1: I was scared, Like I was like what I felt
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: this moment, I just went, fuck, I'll do it. And
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: too many people do way too much, Like I don't know,
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 1: I got talked to a bunch of people about it
• 2:52:13
  Speaker 1: or that's not for me, or why should I. Let's
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 1: just start saying yes the stuff. You get a lot
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 1: of experience.
• 2:52:19
  Speaker 2: Out of that, especially while you're young and you don't
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 2: have any obligations, because once those obligations saddle you down,
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 2: you got a mortgage, and you got a family, and
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 2: you got obligations and social commitments. You don't have that
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: kind of ability to just go fuck it.
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 1: No, you're right. Like my whole time I was a carpenter.
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 1: I remember guys pulling up in new trucks and I'm
• 2:52:40
  Speaker 1: driving a piece of shit beater and they're like, Adam,
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 1: once you go down to Galloping Ford and get yourself
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 1: a new truck. And I'm like, because then i'd have payments,
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 1: and then i'd have insurance, and then I couldn't go
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 1: to the groundlings at night, and I could I'd have
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 1: to take care of that, and I couldn't work on this.
• 2:52:56
  Speaker 1: And I felt the same way with kids and the
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 1: same way with everything, like I got to get this
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: going before I get way down with monthly payments and mortgages. Yeah,
• 2:53:07
  Speaker 1: mouths to feed. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 2: That's a really important message to young people because they
• 2:53:12
  Speaker 2: think they're gonna be young forever. Like, boy, before you
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 2: start a family, get something going, just like take your chances.
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 2: Well you're young and free. It's like god, it's an
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 2: amazing opportunity. You know, the whole world is ahead of you.
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 2: Things can change so quickly if you work hard and
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 2: you find a lane and you really throw yourself into it.
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 2: But if you don't, time goes by quick and next
• 2:53:34
  Speaker 2: thing you know, you're thirty, next thing you know you're
• 2:53:36
  Speaker 2: thirty five, and like, I'm gonna get together this year,
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 2: and you never do.
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta make hay while the sun shines.
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 2: And with that, Adam Carolla, ladies and gentlemen, thank you,
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 2: thank you, brother.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 1: It was fun.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 2: Let's do it again, all right, Yeah bye, Ruddy