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2133- BONUS-  Interview with Justine, Michael and Dr. Ish of LALU- Relationship Rehab · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: I've interviewed you guys before. It was a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, let's get started. They
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  Speaker 1: gave me like a teeny bit of time for three people,
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  Speaker 1: so let's do it. All right, so Dr. Ish, I
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  Speaker 1: was not familiar with you, but when they announced this
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  Speaker 1: show and they were showing that it was Dr. Ish,
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  Speaker 1: everybody I knew went completely nuts. They're like, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to die at how great Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Ish is. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for that. Hopefully they're dying and they can be resuscitated.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just one of those things I really enjoy doing.
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  Speaker 2: The more real it is for me, then the better
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  Speaker 2: it is for the folks I get to work with.
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  Speaker 2: The one place I want to be more than any
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  Speaker 2: place else is I want to be in the room
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  Speaker 2: working with the people so that when they walk out
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  Speaker 2: of the room, you do it a little bit, you
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  Speaker 2: walk out a little bit lighter than when you walked in.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's just an honor for me to be
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  Speaker 2: able to do it.
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  Speaker 3: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: I think with my experience with therapy is even if
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  Speaker 1: you go in and you have nothing to talk about
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  Speaker 1: or you feel like I'm boring, you always leave with
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  Speaker 1: just something that you're thinking about. And that to me
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  Speaker 1: is a good therapy session because even if you go
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  Speaker 1: in like, this is a waste of my time today,
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  Speaker 1: you leave and you go, but it did get me
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  Speaker 1: thinking about that one thing, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I have a question about this place where you
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  Speaker 1: guys were shooting. Where was it located? Because it seemed
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  Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable and had bugs.
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  Speaker 3: So we're in the north, just north of L.A.
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  Speaker 2: On literally a ranch designed for a retreat. I walked
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  Speaker 2: in and it looks like the set from The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 2: And they were like, well, that's funny you say that
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  Speaker 2: because they shoot that right across the street.
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  Speaker 3: So it's the.
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  Speaker 2: Exact same type of thing, but it's designed as a retreat.
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  Speaker 3: It's nature. It's healing.
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  Speaker 2: We hear the birds. We see the squirrels. And we're
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  Speaker 2: reminded that our part in this is a little bit
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  Speaker 2: smaller than maybe we're thinking. And when you get guys
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  Speaker 2: in there like Mike, you need something to kind of
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  Speaker 2: soften the edges. I want them out there fishing and
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  Speaker 2: looking at the squirrels and hearing the birds chirping in
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  Speaker 2: the trees.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I heard this room is cold and I don't
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  Speaker 1: like these bugs. That's what I heard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was just looking for reasons to complain.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the worst thing.
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  Speaker 3: I can't deal with cold room bugs.
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  Speaker 1: That's what everybody's like. Weren't these guys in prison and
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  Speaker 1: they're all complaining about bugs? So this was eight days
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  Speaker 1: of all-day therapy, right? Like groups and breakouts and all that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Intensive. An eight-day intensive. Think about a 30-day rehab program.
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  Speaker 2: What I did was boil it down and condense it
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  Speaker 2: down into what are the core things.
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  Speaker 3: We need to do in eight days. It's a long,
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  Speaker 3: tough eight days. You agree?
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  Speaker 5: It was draining. That's the best.
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  Speaker 3: I felt emotionally drained every day.
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  Speaker 4: What he basically enlightened us with was, yo, there's work
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  Speaker 4: to do within yourself that will fatigue you because it's that.
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  Speaker 5: Much you got to dig up. And I'm not going
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  Speaker 5: to lie. I mean, I think when we left, we
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  Speaker 5: left a little bit, to be honest.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm, you know, for me to say that, especially
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  Speaker 4: coming on the show and expressing how I didn't believe
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  Speaker 4: in the practice.
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  Speaker 6: Which was very wrong for me to say, because, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, everyone isn't the same.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so, but it's honest.
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  Speaker 5: But I was being honest. As honest. I was being
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  Speaker 5: as honest as I could be.
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  Speaker 4: Because, I mean, for me to give you a reason
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  Speaker 4: to why I didn't believe in this practice would have
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  Speaker 4: not been true.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: So, I mean, I felt like I was keeping it real.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to because if you go in there
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  Speaker 1: and pretend he's going to figure that out anyway, but
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  Speaker 1: then you've wasted everybody's time, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, after watching episode two, which was the one where
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  Speaker 1: you all pulled the bands that had your trauma, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Dr. Ish and Yusuf, the guy that does
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  Speaker 1: the prison reform advocacy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: These two guys should be on every Love After Lockup show.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody needs that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yusuf was great.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible. And what a great story for these guys and
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  Speaker 1: girls to hear somebody that's like, I'm walking the walk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking the talk. I've been there. And here's what
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  Speaker 1: I've done.
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's powerful when you have a real
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  Speaker 2: life example. Yusuf has been there, done that, and is
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  Speaker 2: doing that and is making sure that folks who have
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  Speaker 2: to come after him, because we're going to have.
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  Speaker 3: To deal with that.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody watching this is more than three degrees separation away
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  Speaker 2: from somebody who's been impacted by it. In our house,
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  Speaker 2: somebody we love, a parent, somebody we care about, it's
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  Speaker 2: right there. We're confronting it every day. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think for folks, when we get Folks like Mike and
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  Speaker 2: Justine come in and say, they hear it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit when I say it. You can do it and
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  Speaker 2: I believe in you. But when you see.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody who's done it, who's lived it, it's like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I was you. I know how that was the first day.
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  Speaker 3: And let me show you how I did it.
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  Speaker 2: Now he can leave some breadcrumbs and now we can
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  Speaker 2: believe a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: And it's impactful because, you know, you learn things that
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  Speaker 4: you can help others with.
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  Speaker 1: you said on the first episode, if you're not changing
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  Speaker 1: your choosing, And I was like, okay, well, now I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say that every day. I'm going to... You
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm using it. So, okay. We did see on episode
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  Speaker 1: two that Marcelino and Brittany really sort of got into
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  Speaker 1: their issues. Fascinating, because we've been watching them on this show,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, 10 years and found out so much
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  Speaker 1: about them that we didn't know. But now... Another thing
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  Speaker 1: on episode two that really bothered me was Joey was
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  Speaker 1: so flippant about stealing what we thought was $ 90 was $ 90, 000
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  Speaker 1: from his grandmother and then saying, but she should be
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  Speaker 1: grateful I didn't take the whole 400K. Now, this seems
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  Speaker 1: like a guy who's not working a program to me.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, at that point, he wasn't. Right.
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  Speaker 2: At that point, the drugs were working him. You know,
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  Speaker 2: anybody who's been addicted or struggle with substance use, it
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  Speaker 2: is all about the one thing. What do I need
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  Speaker 2: to do? Trade, buy, sell, or steal today so I
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  Speaker 2: can get high by the end of this day. And
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  Speaker 2: it all just, nevermind. So that's, he was giving you
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  Speaker 2: an honest portrayal of where he was at that time.
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  Speaker 3: She's got 400K.
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  Speaker 2: I only took 90 because I could have used the
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  Speaker 2: other 310. I really could have. And so it's just a,
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  Speaker 2: harsh reality, right? Once we've got that one goal, that's
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  Speaker 2: where Joey was.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, whatever. Beg, borrow, steal.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do what I got to do to get that
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  Speaker 2: next high. And that's how deep it is for you.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you're talking about opiate addiction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. It tells you whether life means something or not.
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  Speaker 2: And when those cells sit empty, if your life feels
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  Speaker 2: empty and you will steal from grandma, granddad, you'll steal
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  Speaker 2: from your grandkid if you have to, to get that thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was telling. It was telling. Now, Justine and Michael,
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  Speaker 1: we get into episode three, which is the one that's
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  Speaker 1: this Friday. And this was, it was rough. It was
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  Speaker 1: rough because, you know, both of you come, everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the show comes with their own traumas and nobody's is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, bigger, worse, more important, less important. But you,
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  Speaker 1: we kind of focused on you guys in this episode three.
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  Speaker 1: And we see Michael like, just like really break down.
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  Speaker 1: And said something similar that Joey had said was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm good enough to be
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  Speaker 1: in this relationship, to be a father, to be a husband.
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  Speaker 1: And Joey had said something similar like, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I should protect the people in my life from me.
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  Speaker 1: And Michael didn't say the same thing, but he sort
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  Speaker 1: of said similarly like, with my background, I'm so broken.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm even meant to be in
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  Speaker 1: this relationship. Now, you guys got nine kids, so you're there.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are there. But like... When you're watching it back, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: and you see yourself just so raw, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was so special when Marcelino was telling you, speaking
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  Speaker 1: in Spanish, telling you to be softer. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to work. Everybody's going to help each other.
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  Speaker 1: But Michael, my question for you was like, how did
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  Speaker 1: you feel seeing it back? Or if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: it back, I don't know. I've seen it. It was
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking to see how hard you're struggling to stay and
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  Speaker 1: work on this for Justine.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, I've never been the type
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  Speaker 4: to really speak about what I'm feeling, especially if it
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  Speaker 4: bothers me because, you know what I'm saying, I've internalized
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  Speaker 4: my whole life.
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  Speaker 6: But it's getting heavy. It's getting heavy and I can
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  Speaker 6: feel it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying that. It just gets to a point where
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  Speaker 6: you just got to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: Be real.
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  Speaker 4: And you can't hide behind whatever you think it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's how the people are supposed to perceive you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, I was blown away
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  Speaker 1: with how open you were. And I loved the moment
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  Speaker 1: between you and Marcelino where you two really bonded. And
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  Speaker 1: he is telling you, I know as a, you know,
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  Speaker 1: machismo man as well, like you gotta be softer and
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  Speaker 1: you really heard that. And I loved that. And then
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  Speaker 1: I loved how Justine came in and said, you can
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  Speaker 1: be soft, you can be hard, you can fuck up,
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  Speaker 1: you can not, like, I'm going to love you no
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  Speaker 1: matter what. And you guys have been together for a
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  Speaker 1: long time, but it was like, I felt like it
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  Speaker 1: was like with Dr. Ish sitting there, I felt like
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  Speaker 1: it was such a breakthrough. Is that how you felt, Justine?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely felt like it was a breakthrough when
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  Speaker 7: we had our session with just the three of us. And,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I was as emotional as I was because
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  Speaker 7: I'm also digging up my traumas and going, maybe I'm
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  Speaker 7: extremely happy for my husband that he's hitting those lows
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  Speaker 7: so we can pick it up from there and we
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  Speaker 7: can work through things. You know, if he doesn't hit
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  Speaker 7: those spaces for himself, then we're not going to be
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  Speaker 7: able to go up because he's still going to be
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  Speaker 7: holding on to the trauma, the pain and everything else. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I feel like since we had that breakthrough,
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  Speaker 7: we've really been moving forward as a couple. We've been
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  Speaker 7: a lot more open and I feel like we definitely
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  Speaker 7: needed to hit that place in our relationship and personally
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  Speaker 7: on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was very powerful to watch. And
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  Speaker 1: the same with Brittany and Marcelino, just seeing them sort
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  Speaker 1: of acknowledging in each other, you know, this past trauma
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  Speaker 1: affected me. And Justine, you were very open about what
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  Speaker 1: happened to you, and I believe it was your first marriage?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: And my question is, have you had any contact with
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  Speaker 1: that man? Does he have any contact with your children
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  Speaker 1: at all?
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  Speaker 3: Um.
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  Speaker 7: It's not something that I usually touch upon like on
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  Speaker 7: previous seasons.
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  Speaker 3: It's something I've kind of kept private.
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  Speaker 7: But at this moment in time when we were in therapy,
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  Speaker 7: I brought it up because I know it was something
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  Speaker 7: I was carrying and it was pain still there. And
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  Speaker 7: it would prevent me from getting to the places I
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  Speaker 7: wanted to be with Michael. At this current point, he
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  Speaker 7: probably has little to nothing to do with the children
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  Speaker 7: and hasn't. He hasn't used his schedule time, which is
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  Speaker 7: the summertime, for the entirety of our divorce that we've had. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I'm primary parent all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, after the story that you told, you would
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: think that you're probably very grateful for that, that your
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: children aren't around someone like that, right?
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Well, Justine, how are things with your mom? We've seen
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: your mom a lot and we've seen Michael's mom a lot.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So how are things going with your families?
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I know you guys.
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: Have seen the relationship with me and my mom over
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: the years. And I can say that not much has changed.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You know, we.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: Still have a very strained relationship. But at this point,
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: I'm more focused on how I want to be as
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: a mom and what I've learned from the relationship I
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: have with my own mom. You know, a lot into
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: my relationship with my children. It's a very important relationship.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: That I have.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: And, you know, I feel like if anybody had to
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: go through a struggled relationship with their parent, I'd rather
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: be me than me going through it with my children.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: So the way I look at it is, you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I kind of took one for the team. And that's
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: just what it is.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Y'all, if you know me, you know how obsessed I
• 17:52
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• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe every day. But sometimes I go on
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the app and I'm just browsing. But a lot of
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: times I have something very specific in mind that I'm
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: hunting for. Lately, my mission has been gifts. I love
• 18:09
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• 18:12
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• 19:50
  Speaker 1: family doing?
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Fuck my family, to be honest.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Like, my one and only, I don't really care what
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: they have to say. My family's real judgmental, real narcissistic.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: So we were breaking generational curses here.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I don't want that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Involved in my family. You know, if you can't be
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: real and you can't show empathy and, and, and, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: respect people for being humans, then I don't want you
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: a part of my life. I need that very clear.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: And after losing my sister, I'm not playing no more games.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I'm just, I'm going to tell my truth.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm very sorry to hear about your sister
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and you guys have been through so much. And I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: got to say that I think you two and then
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Brittany and Marcelino are you know, in all their scenes,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: even now when they're separating, I feel that you guys
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: are really great examples of this show. And I think
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that Marcelino said it and he said it before that
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: he really views the show as a way to combat recidivism,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to show that people can come out and make a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: difference and they can build on these relationships. And I,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this relationship rehab show with Dr. Ish, I think, It's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the best iteration of Love After Lockup we've had because
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: it's so real and it's showing us, you know, like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Alexis and Julius, we don't know them as well, you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: as viewers, as we know you guys, but it's still
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: fascinating to see them. So I think this iteration is
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: really good and I'm hoping they're going to do more
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: of it because as somebody who's watched every episode, every season,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: every iteration, I've got suggestions of couples that could go
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: on here. But I'm glad that they started off with
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: like some OGs like you guys.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: One of the takeaways for me was if we think about,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever your favorite platform is, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: One of the things we're.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Talking about now is, you know, I need a guy
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to be a guy, but I also need him to
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: be emotionally available and kind of show that side. So
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: one of the cool things that you guys were able
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: to do, once Michael went there and he shared Right.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: This is why I have the chip on my shoulder.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: This is why I put the mask on. This is
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: why I show up so angry sometimes. Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: One of the things that we will hear our young
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: people say online, especially our guys, they're like, listen, OK,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I'll go there. I'll share some stuff with you. But
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the next time we have an argument, you're going to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: throw that back in my face.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You're going to call me.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: A simp and you're going to call me soft and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to call me all these things. And I
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: will never, ever go there again. One of the cool
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: things is just.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Threw Michael a parade for going there.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: She was like, I am so.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Proud of you.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing it. It's like, now this is
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the guy I've been waiting to show up for. And
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: look what they're doing right now. ABT therapy, always be touching.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: That's just a huge takeaway. When somebody's got the courage
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to share their truth with you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: You're trusting your partner to hold it in a way
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that doesn't embarrass you, doesn't diminish you.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: And it builds you both up. And when I saw that,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know what?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to do it. I think they're
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: going to get it together because they handled each other's truths,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: which are heavy, heavy truths.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Heavy.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Justine went through. Nobody should have to go through that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: No mom should ever have to show up and see
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: her daughter looking like that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So Michael went through stuff your uncle did, man.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Horrible.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Horrible. It diminishes you. It dehumanizes you. Right. And that poverty,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: it doesn't put a chip on your shoulder. It puts
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: a bowling ball on your shoulder. You never feel that way.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Truth of who each other is in a way as
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: compassionately as they did. Then you got something special. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's what the audience is seeing. It's like, OK,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: we're watching something very, very special.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank both of you for being
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: on this show as like OGs and for us as,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, longtime fans of the show to see a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: completely different side of you and to really see sort
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of it's sort of like a behind the music. You know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a before we knew you
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: guys and you came on the show. what happened to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: get you where you were. And I'm looking forward to,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, more about Melissa and Louie and Joey and Kimberly.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: He's got to find it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Louie's got to find the hummus. That's the key.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I related to that because every mom in a house,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: if somebody doesn't ask me, where are my shoes? Where
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: are my keys? Where's the milk? Did we buy creamer?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I thought we had more toilet paper. I'm like, eyeballs
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: work just like mine. And I always say, if I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: have to get up and come and find it and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it's right there, somebody's not going to be happy because
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it happens a thousand times a day. So when she
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: said he can't find the hummus because he doesn't move something,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I was like, I went on a rant on my
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: show about, oh my God, just quit asking me where's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the hummus. But I do want to thank all of
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you that are doing this show. I'm really looking forward
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to seeing what's coming. And Dr. Ish, I'm so excited
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to get to know you. And I loved when Michael's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like Justine and all the women in my family love Dr.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Ish.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So like immediately he's like, this is going to be hard.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So I hope to see more of you on these
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Love After Lockup shows. And I love seeing Justine and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Michael again. And you guys are really doing great on
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: this show. And I really love seeing it. So love
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to you and all your kids and all that stuff.