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British Fighter's Shocking Transformation | Timmo P2 · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Choose Carter, Tim How you doing, mate, Hey, God bless you, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: lovely to see you. Yes, God bless you to mate.
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  Speaker 2: So we did a podcast a little while backed in
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  Speaker 2: where it was massively popular and people were asking me
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to know more about you, Timo, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: a bit less of the sort of political stuff and
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  Speaker 2: how did you A lot of people were curious about
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  Speaker 2: your British Army story. Were both both veterans, so we've
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  Speaker 2: got a bit of a connection there, and then of
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  Speaker 2: course you've got more You've probably got more experience in
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  Speaker 2: the combat zones and a lot of people put together
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not here to big up. I think anyone
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  Speaker 2: knows my show knows. I'm not in a big up
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  Speaker 2: war or combat. I think it's all controlled. What was it,
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  Speaker 2: Smedley Butler? What was that book he wrote?
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  Speaker 3: Tim Oh, never heard of him, Never heard of him.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was war is a racket. It was
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  Speaker 2: America's highest highest decorated colonel or general or something. And
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  Speaker 2: he said, all I did in my whole career. He said,
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  Speaker 2: I was a hit man for the global math here.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I think let's just start at the beginning. Tim,
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  Speaker 2: there's a photoe you served in the Royal Green Jackets.
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  Speaker 2: What made you want to join up Bosnia?
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  Speaker 4: When I was a lad just before I joined the army,
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  Speaker 4: the Bosnian War was stopped by the British soldiers, well
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  Speaker 4: by the by the un mandated Peace of Courts. But
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  Speaker 4: before that the Cheshire Regiment were in there giving it,
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  Speaker 4: firing the riding cannons on the warrior.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a personnel carrier.
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  Speaker 4: I want to I was raised on Sir Lancelot. I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to be British soldier and just as in World
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  Speaker 4: War Two, they stopped stand still.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking a bit mental, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Just as in.
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  Speaker 4: World War Two I had family involved there. I wanted
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  Speaker 4: to in.
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  Speaker 2: My generation do my pit And why did you join
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  Speaker 2: The Royal Green.
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  Speaker 4: Jackets started out in the King's Royal Hasar Tank Regiment,
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  Speaker 4: but on Winchester, the Winchester are Army Training Regiment camp.
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  Speaker 4: So John more Barrett's it's where the Light Division we're
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  Speaker 4: doing their training. The infantry, it's all been merged into
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  Speaker 4: the rifles. Regiment now, of course, and once I got
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  Speaker 4: a glimpse of them and I heard them sounding off
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  Speaker 4: as it were on.
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  Speaker 3: The square, I set my heart.
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  Speaker 4: I set my heart on joining them and I managed
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  Speaker 4: to transfer over that The officers were very good and
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  Speaker 4: I managed to transfer over. They put me back a
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  Speaker 4: few weeks in training. I was in week seven of
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  Speaker 4: the Armored Cols Training Phase one and they put me
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  Speaker 4: back to about week five of like division platoon and
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  Speaker 4: from then on my career as are all green jacket is.
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  Speaker 2: It was it tough that training. It was unbelievably what
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff did have you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Beasting us?
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  Speaker 4: But I was used to it because I've been Funnily enough,
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  Speaker 4: I've been on some cadet camps as a youth and
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  Speaker 4: they sent us off with the r EF Regiment. And
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  Speaker 4: these these chaps, you know, they got old of us
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  Speaker 4: and they said, this is called beasting.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard of it before.
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  Speaker 4: Now you see people having a go doing military fitness
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  Speaker 4: in the parks, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, my mate, my mate's got a
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  Speaker 2: company that does that. He's very been very successful at it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we were all over the lovely British country side, getting.
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  Speaker 2: Beasted and we were chating chatting early, won't we because
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a direct well, I mean it's not
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  Speaker 2: what I think, it's what I know. There's a direct
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  Speaker 2: correlation between childhood trauma and people that joined the military.
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  Speaker 2: And we could go into the psychosocial implications of that,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe that's the chat for another day. But you
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  Speaker 2: were saying your dad worked for British Airspace, and you'd
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  Speaker 2: have described your childers as I did.
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  Speaker 3: It absolutely absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: And I was thrown into the infantry with a lot
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  Speaker 4: of inner city lads and they'd had terrible upbringings as
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  Speaker 4: you describe, and they used to come officer type bloke
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  Speaker 4: and I think it was refreshing for them to serve
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  Speaker 4: with somebody like me, genuinely did come from a privileged background,
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  Speaker 4: even of the military industrial complex.
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  Speaker 3: And I was happy to serve with all of those fellows.
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  Speaker 4: My best my best friend, his father had been a
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  Speaker 4: big They called him the godfather of Sutton near Mansfield.
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  Speaker 4: The man had run with the IRA, run gold through
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  Speaker 4: through Amsterdam with the IRA. Heroin addicts a lot of
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  Speaker 4: them prisoners. My best friend, he was a hard, hard person.
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  Speaker 4: He could he choke me out many a time. He'd
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  Speaker 4: been in prison directly after, directly before the army, but
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  Speaker 4: they saw a.
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  Speaker 3: Rough diamond back then.
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  Speaker 4: There were cases of people who've been noticed in the
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  Speaker 4: prison system. I guess they call them daddies and such,
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  Speaker 4: and they were allowed into the army.
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  Speaker 3: There were some tremendous chaps. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. You've you ever seen a film scum.
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  Speaker 3: Once upon a Time. I've seen Once upon a Time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about borstal, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed?
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, and it's kind of sorry. The reason I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it is I think in Scum it kind of flags
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  Speaker 2: up that side of life. There's a bit like the
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  Speaker 2: military where you meet some people that are they quite odd.
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  Speaker 2: You meet in some extremes, would you agree, you can
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  Speaker 2: meet some people that are just downright nasty. Was probably
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  Speaker 2: damaged is a better word. But he comes across as
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  Speaker 2: like just people you don't want to be around. Then
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  Speaker 2: you come across the daddy characters that they like. Some
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  Speaker 2: of them think they're it, but.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them are genuinely some of them are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they come from the criminal class and the system
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  Speaker 4: has managed to save them by conscripting them into the army.
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  Speaker 4: And that's that's such chaps in prison. They would only
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  Speaker 4: have defended the week as it were.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what did your parents think about you joining
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  Speaker 2: the army?
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  Speaker 4: They accepted it because it had been my calling as
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  Speaker 4: it were.
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  Speaker 3: We all knew it was my calling.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just because you just outlined the tools, did
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  Speaker 2: you serve in Northern Ireland?
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  Speaker 4: When I got to battalion, the battalion had just come
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  Speaker 4: from two years in Paderborn, sorry in Hollywood barracks, and
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  Speaker 4: they'd come they'd come to Germany and I got there
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  Speaker 4: are a couple of couple of months after after they
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  Speaker 4: had come to Germany and so no, then we then
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  Speaker 4: we went to Bosno to Kosovo. But I've never been
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  Speaker 4: to Ireland in my life, It's never been. And then
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  Speaker 4: I worked with so many tremendous Irish scaffolders, crane drivers
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  Speaker 4: and banksmen. Tremendous races. If one's allowed to talk about races,
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  Speaker 4: they're all tremendous races. Every race in the world is
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  Speaker 4: aus race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I was going to say English, Irish, Scots,
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  Speaker 2: Welsh all love lovely people, you know, but yeah, he was.
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  Speaker 4: Getting and Tibetans, pakistanis so they're all wonderful races.
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  Speaker 2: So how old were you in Kosover?
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  Speaker 4: Then I went to Bosnia when I was ninety, I
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  Speaker 4: went to Kosovo when I was and I had my
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  Speaker 4: twenty first birthday in Kosovo.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right? Is that right? Doesn't it? Mate?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be exact, and you're always going
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  Speaker 2: to get some keyboard warrior in the thing that's going
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  Speaker 2: to pick you up.
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  Speaker 4: As I was born January ninety seventh January nineteen seventy eight,
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  Speaker 4: Kosovo nineteen ninety nine August, and just already I was
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  Speaker 4: already twenty one, and I was twenty two when I
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  Speaker 4: came back from I was twenty two when I came
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  Speaker 4: back from coss That's.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and not to put too fine a point on it,
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  Speaker 2: but these are parts of the world where there's been
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  Speaker 2: quite some atrocities. What did you see, What did you
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  Speaker 2: actually witness? What stuff sticks in your mind?
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  Speaker 4: Well, in my British Army tools, I only saw the
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  Speaker 4: direct aftermath of the genocide, so dry up brains and
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  Speaker 4: spinal tissue on mattress, on a mattress with bootprints that
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  Speaker 4: had been someone who had their brains blown out.
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  Speaker 3: We were just.
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  Speaker 4: Dealing with hordes of returning refugees. It wasn't until I
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  Speaker 4: went to Syria that I saw first hand corpses. What
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about, wasn't It wasn't until I wasn't serious.
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  Speaker 4: That's so exactly green people. So yeah, yeah, the people
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  Speaker 4: are turning green. The skin was like detexture of peach,
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  Speaker 4: like a green peach.
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  Speaker 2: Was that from a specific type of weapon just retiring?
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  Speaker 4: Just in this instance, there was some piles of isis corpses.
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  Speaker 2: Friends are and we should just say, obviously we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about some some serious stuff here. If this isn't for you,
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  Speaker 2: just tune off now. Also, you know, if you're feeling sensitive,
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  Speaker 2: tune off now. If anyone out there is feeling a
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  Speaker 2: bit on a bit of a dodgy wicket, make sure
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  Speaker 2: you reach out and get some help, start with your GP.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry tim o'by to you. I just had to say that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's a saying, right, it's not a nice saying.
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  Speaker 4: I come in the underworld, someone will say in a
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  Speaker 4: threatening way, I'll turn your forehead green. And it means
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  Speaker 4: when a body's been laying for some time, it starts
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  Speaker 4: decomposing and human skin becomes green in color.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen dead bodies when they're sort of entering
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  Speaker 2: that phase I suppose before before they've been buried. When
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  Speaker 2: how long after? Well, what did you do, Timo when
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  Speaker 2: you left the army? What did did you find it
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  Speaker 2: easy to integrate into other things?
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  Speaker 4: I followed my dreams when I went off to join
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  Speaker 4: the French Foreign Legion directly after the army didn't didn't
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  Speaker 4: work out, and then I went. The thing is I
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  Speaker 4: continued traveling like I'd done in the army. It was
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  Speaker 4: a wonderful experience, like stepping off the plane in Croatia
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  Speaker 4: in that in Split for example, in ninety eight. And
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  Speaker 4: after I left the Army, I said to myself, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going to stay in one place now and settle
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  Speaker 4: down like that. I'm going to keep going on operational
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  Speaker 4: tours as it were, but as a civilian, and I
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  Speaker 4: ended up in Israel. I ended up in two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and two in a big anti terrorist operation, myself and
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  Speaker 4: a Japanese tourist.
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  Speaker 3: We went into Bethlehem and.
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  Speaker 4: We got fired on by Israeli paratroopers because we didn't
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  Speaker 4: know there was a curfew, you know. And I was
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  Speaker 4: saying to myself I'm doing tools and I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, tell us, how do you join the French
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  Speaker 2: Foreign Legion. Then where's the recruiting office.
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  Speaker 4: You can turn up in any police station in France,
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  Speaker 4: or you go online. And there's certain cities they have
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  Speaker 4: dedicated recruiting centers where you can turn up and they
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  Speaker 4: will accept you. But for example, I went there twice
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  Speaker 4: to the Foreign Legion. I went back after the first time,
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  Speaker 4: after after a couple of years, and I turned up
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  Speaker 4: to the there's a big citadel in Lille, and it's
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  Speaker 4: a huge old fortress, you know, one of the great
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  Speaker 4: European fortresses.
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  Speaker 3: Of the Renaissance serials.
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  Speaker 4: And they have the Legion NCO on the gate and
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  Speaker 4: a little little posts.
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  Speaker 3: It's fascinating, wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: And they turned me away with a little list saying
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  Speaker 4: you have to go and get these some toothpaste and
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  Speaker 4: a toothbrush and some stuff. It was so I went
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  Speaker 4: and I took it all and I came back. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: but in two thousand and I went to Fort. It's
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  Speaker 4: in Versailles in Paris. So anyone who wants to go there,
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  Speaker 4: get yourself to Paris on the Eurostar and present yourself
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  Speaker 4: at Fort. The noon, but checked first because there's some
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  Speaker 4: basic supplies you need to take.
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  Speaker 2: The Yeah, spit like going to euro Disney. But a
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  Speaker 2: bit crapper, never been to never been, he never say
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  Speaker 2: never you're you're a man that likes to get around him. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I think it could be on your agenda.
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  Speaker 4: If only if there's somebody very special in my life
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  Speaker 4: and Jermans that's the only reason I.
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  Speaker 2: So French Foreign Legion? Is it? What's it like? We
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  Speaker 2: we discussed this last time. Some people really get on
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  Speaker 2: with it. There's been a friend of mine in the Marines.
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  Speaker 2: His brother was Foreign Legion and and he was really
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  Speaker 2: high up or he certainly had got his feet under
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  Speaker 2: the table and clearly loved it, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: I think one time he was on on leave and
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  Speaker 2: his uniform got stolen off the washing line and he
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  Speaker 2: was walking past the second hand shop and it was
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  Speaker 2: in the window with a second hand shop. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: but then I think we discussed this last time.
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  Speaker 4: Used to see that in London, Chris when I throw airport.
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  Speaker 4: Used to see the ppe of the companies I was
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  Speaker 4: working for and on the Sunday marketing nouns to see
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  Speaker 4: it but.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't get on with it, do they,
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  Speaker 2: And they leave and where they go a wol It
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  Speaker 2: just seems to be a bit of a phenomenon.
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  Speaker 4: Indeed, because to do with if somebody has a weak
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  Speaker 4: mind and a certain work, people get homesick, don't they.
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  Speaker 4: And also if you're talking about a well after a
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  Speaker 4: combat incident, for example, it's a different kettle of fish.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, some people go all from the legion just
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  Speaker 4: because they want to go to a beatha and do
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  Speaker 4: drugs with their youth, for example, and they go. They
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  Speaker 4: never they tell everyone I can't go back to France
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  Speaker 4: because I might get arrested.
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  Speaker 3: But then that's one sort of person.
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  Speaker 4: But if someone's been in a contact and they go
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  Speaker 4: a well in theater, for example, it's different if somebody
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  Speaker 4: if somebody loses ten thousand rounds of ammunition in Ukraine
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  Speaker 4: and goes missing in theater, for example, there's different. There
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  Speaker 4: are different INTI every case, every soldier is different.
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  Speaker 2: What's the food like in the foreign legion?
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  Speaker 3: It was wonderful.
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  Speaker 4: They pride themselves on presenting a great example of French cuisinas.
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  Speaker 4: I remember wonderful handmade French sausages, different British Cumberlands and
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  Speaker 4: it's it wasn't like in Britain. In some British British
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  Speaker 4: Army bases now the subcontract the catering to Sodexo or
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  Speaker 4: some civilian caterer. But they actually they actually had legionaire
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  Speaker 4: cooks in the British Army. In Germany we still had
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  Speaker 4: British Army royal logistics called cooks chefs and the French
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  Speaker 4: foreign legions soldiers chefs. I mean it was their life,
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  Speaker 4: the cooking. The cooking was an expression of themselves second
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  Speaker 4: to none. We had to wash the dishes routinely in
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  Speaker 4: the cookhouse, but it was a pleasure to eat the
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  Speaker 4: meal before watching.
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  Speaker 2: The really good And what outposts do they still have
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  Speaker 2: in North Africa? Obviously, after the decolonization of Africa, you'd
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  Speaker 2: think they wouldn't have any, but I'm guessing they still
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  Speaker 2: have a presence in certain countries out Algeria.
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  Speaker 4: Perhaps no, they were thrown out of Algeria.
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  Speaker 3: But of course Russia.
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  Speaker 4: Russia is now trying to gain an influence in France
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  Speaker 4: and many countries are turning to the Vagar Group, for example,
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  Speaker 4: for military training and military support, and they're ditching France
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  Speaker 4: because Russia has a clean slate in Africa. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: France was a colonial power, and all colonial powers sadly
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  Speaker 4: committed atrocities.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Wagner group, Oh what's his name, Piri Pregosian. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't last long, did he? After a after re upset,
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  Speaker 2: mister Putin, would you expect to so friends at home?
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  Speaker 2: Pregosion was the very drunken leader of as as I said,
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  Speaker 2: as of of Wagner. So this group of mercenary group
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  Speaker 2: basically or they do Russia's sort of dirty work and
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  Speaker 2: they're off the books. And Progosion, in one of his
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  Speaker 2: I'm guess, in one of his more drunken moments, decided
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  Speaker 2: to what was it he was going to overthrow?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was sad.
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  Speaker 4: He was made him very sad that his people were
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  Speaker 4: dying because of ammunition shortages that he said they was
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  Speaker 4: caused by the general staff of the Mini misery of
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  Speaker 4: Defense of the Russian Federation.
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  Speaker 2: That was right, that was right. And he started a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a I thought you call it a mutiny,
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he started in March, he called it March of
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  Speaker 4: something or other. And they were on their way to Moscow,
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  Speaker 4: but they they came to terms and mister Progosion went
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  Speaker 4: went to Belarus and then he was on a flight
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  Speaker 4: somewhere and now he's with Jeffrey, he's with mister Epstein
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  Speaker 4: now on the same in the same aisle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's gone to where the Epstein's go right, So,
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  Speaker 2: Pesh Merger, Pesh Murger. Sorry, what what was the first
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  Speaker 2: moment you decided you were going to go to Syria
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  Speaker 2: and fight against I'm going to say, quote unquote isis
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  Speaker 2: What do you remember when you made that decision? What
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  Speaker 2: made you made that decision?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was, I was actually on my way there
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  Speaker 4: before before the whole isis thing because because my my
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  Speaker 4: battalion to r g J. After the amalgamation it became
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  Speaker 4: four rifles and in two thousand and seven they were
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  Speaker 4: the last battalion in place in the Palace. They fought
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  Speaker 4: very hard in Basra. And I was in Jordan at
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  Speaker 4: the time and actually actually got a taxi to the
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  Speaker 4: Iraqi border. But the driver kept ripping me off. He's
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  Speaker 4: like he'd stop at some junction. He said, now give
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  Speaker 4: me more fifty dnr. In the end, I said, just
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  Speaker 4: turn back, turn back to Jordan. To armand turned back
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  Speaker 4: to armand I went back to armand I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: go and turn up in Basra. I felt terrible and
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  Speaker 4: for many years I wanted to visit the curves in
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  Speaker 4: Northern Iraq. And when when the genocide the iceis committed began, I.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Was dead set on guys.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: I jolly well booked myself a flight and I turned
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: up at Irbil International Airport in Kurdistan, Regional Governor of
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Northern Iraq. And I first met up with the Peshmerk
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: and they put me in prison in the first instance,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: and I flew back and then I returned. I flew
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: to Istanbul and I got the bus. I got an
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I got the bus from is Danbul to Erbila. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: got through the border, and this time I went to
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: the YPG, to the to the communist militia and they
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: got me into Syria. I went to Sulimania, we went
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to a safe house, we went to the mountains.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: We were with gorillas.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: They're very political, as they say, they're neo communists as
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: it were, and they got us into Syria. And they've
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: been maligned and forgotten for for a long time. In
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: the war they war against the Turkish regime, which I
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: won't really go into that, but now they were fighting
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: against Isis. They gained, they gained a war that they
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: could they could be proud of in the eyes of
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the world because people turned a blind eye in favor
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: of Turkey against them. I was with the gorillas and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: here's a patch that was given to me by my
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: my platoon commander as it were. His name was Eval Souran.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: He was an Iraqi code and asked the star of
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the YPG, the five pointed star of the Y.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can see it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: And we went into battle against We rolled into villages.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: We had RPG passed straight past the windscreen of the humby.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: We we were in by meters. We were blazing, blazing
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: our guns from behind houses. People were getting bullets through.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: How many foreign fighters were there with you?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Then when I actually turned up in the mountains, I
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: was one of the last foreign fighters have turned up.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Like there were safe house. There's a safe house in
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Salimania where there was like four of us and then
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: one American marine deserted in the night and stuff. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: eventually we went to the mountains and there there was
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: a big group of foreigners like about thirty foreigners who
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: had been waiting there for more than a month or two.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And I was one of the last foreigners to get
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: to the group. And we almost immediately on the first
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: night went across the river to Syria and there was
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: a big group for us. But of course you have
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: natural wastage. People go ah, or people say it's.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Not for me.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: But I want to ask you one of them questions
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: now that that sort of fascinate me. I know that
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you get a mishmash. I think that's the right expression
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of people rocking up there, don't you. What would you say, Timo?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Is the thing that what's the thread that you can
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: draw through all these people? For example? Are they just
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: a bit mental? Are they emotionally disturbed? Are they like
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: utterly passionate? Are they, you know, driven by the meat,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you know, influenced by the media. Is it that they
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: love scrapping, they just love to fight and fire off
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: rounds or what is it?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Well, as you've rightly said that they come from all
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: angles at it, but maybe on an esoteric sense, the
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: truth is they all have an encounter with I mean,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: all of us are going to die, as we all
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: know the Bible, even says, people who don't go to
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: heaven it will be like they die twice.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I thought it was on the everlasting life kick.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: You've got life, you've got energy.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I mean you could say that if the soul is
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: in Hell, of course it's still alive. That's a form
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: of everlasting life. But is it very nice? Does the
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: life form enjoy it? That's another question.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't mean to change the subject. Now I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: want to get back to your fellow fighters. I mean,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: I remember there was a lad I went to school with.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: He become a mercenary down in Africa for one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: these you know outfits, you know that we've we've heard
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: about over the over the years that get into the media.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And he had his rifle like he used to cut
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: notches in the stock to represent all the people that ead.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say the words, but you you know,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: people know what I'm talking about. And then one day
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: he got double crossed. He didn't get paid by his
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: platoon leader or you know whoever the money guy was,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: so he took him out. And this guy was he
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: was just a bit mental. I don't know what you say.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: They come from a really a tough family okay.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, well, but that's not just in the military.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: For example, I've seen first and in the scaffolding industry
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: some scaffolder get a vendetta against another scaffold and try
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: to set him up to be killed by dropping a
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: thirteen foot scaffolding board on his head from the roof.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, that's just you got mad scaffolders' mate, brother,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you've got you got.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: The thing is, though you've got a choice wether.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Haven't you.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: You'll always had a scumbag, isn't it that Judas Jesus
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: had his crew, he had his twelve disciples, but there
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: was one scumbag who's sold the bus. It always, it
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: will always happen. Even on you're on a corporate level.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: You'd have one director or boardroom, and there'll be one
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: of the directors who who'll have his eye on the
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: top job, and he'll he'll frag the managing director and
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: throw him under the buses. The awful expression goes, that's
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: simply humanity.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Did you ever witness anyone getting fragged? It's kind of
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a lawless environment, is it, not? On the front line?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Only at work as a civilian, Chris on the battlefield.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah there was brotherhood. No, no, never, in my time,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: there was rumor of it. This is the thing, right, yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: you know in our Taboo platoon, the platoon was the
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Taboo was sent towards a Turkish boarder and they were
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: sani iraqy curves with pirates, right, totally different from the
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: rest of the curves. And and suddenly they saw Turkish
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: army vehicles and they did They turned up, They asked,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: and he Turk Turk soldier. They turned around. They didn't
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: they didn't do the resupply mission. They thought they'd been
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: set up, like our platoon thought that the command had
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: set them up to be taken out by the Turkish troops.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Whether that's true or not.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, weird, weird a chap on the podcast that was
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: on Black Ops in Vietnam, and he got in so
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: above his head that he knew they weren't going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: let him out, and he waited until sort of five
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: or six of his of his team were in a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: tent together, and then he just rolled a grenade under
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: underneath the flap of the tent. It just it's things
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: like that that you can easily imagine go on in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the heat in the heat of combat. You know, where
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: where you know someone can upset you, but it can
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: really be sort of it's like death, is what I'm
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: trying to say. You know, it's life and death.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: There was one time it happened to me, but it
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: was all accidental. Right Bordersuran, we were like fifty kilometers
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: north of our twenty fifteen and we were in the
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: village in the platoon house. So with the Kurds, we
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: were just sitting in the platoon house. With the British Army,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: they would put sentries out through, you know, the outskirts.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Of the village.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Correct if there's any If the British Army were in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: a village, you're not going to just sit in some
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: platoon house in the middle and not be able to
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: view the outskirts of the village and the road into
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: the village. So there was all sorts of spookiness about
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: the village. Lights were seen at night, there were stand two's,
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: there was firing incidents in the night.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: And I it was my.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Nature as a rifle to go off on my own
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and to smoke and to sit in a little mud
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: maybe to sleep, to do a bit of graffiti, to
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: look at photographs. I would spend some days just looking
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: at the photo albums in the in the abandoned houses,
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: and I throughout my military career. Right, maybe I should
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: be saddened ashamed about it, but I took photos from
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the abandoned houses, and it shouldn't really do that, I guess,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: because civilian houses should be respected.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: But hours young and I.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Got myself a nice mosque see in this village, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I would lay up in the mosque and my own
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: platoon started firing on the mosque and I had to
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: simply lay on the carpet.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: And I thought of returning fire, and I thought just.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: As it was an instinct, but I knew they would
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: roll up to the mosque in the armored humbley and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: demolish me. I just had to lay on the carpet
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: until until they'd finished their cowboyish fire. It's sporadic firing
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: at the most, and such such things did happen.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's it like then? The professionalism? I mean, you
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: were you were trained with a British Army, so probably
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I think fair to say the best training infantry training
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: on the planet or up you know, certainly up there
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: on on on a level and Yet you've got to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: rock up in a war zone with someone who might
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: have been a postman a week ago, or they might
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: even have not even have had a job. What how
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: does that work out? How are they supposed to develop
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the military skills to be a combatant?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it's about humility.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: I guess if that person realizes in a in a
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: humble way that he doesn't know, he isn't he isn't
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: a big all, and he'll have a proper relationship with
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: the people who can.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Teach him the required skills.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: And most of the people who turn up a very
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: mature and they're not going to be a dickhead as
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: it were, you know, and put An sas bret On
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: and tell everyone to fuck off and just march off
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: across the no man's land to the ices village with
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: his weapon, right if he wants to do. But most
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: of the guys who would rock up to make that
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: journey and to get to the front line or to
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: get to get to to get to Syria, the Kurds themselves.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be insulting, but like an animal
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: has sixth sense, you know, like a cat has sixth sense,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: the Kurds, the Kurds won't let some total dickhead like
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: that in man. They got a sense of people and
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: all in all, most people, if they are some sort
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: of total spastic like that, there'll be cowards at the
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: end of the day in it. They will probably fall out.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: When they've got their little thrilled, they'll probably be going home.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: But what was that story to him? I'll remind me.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: There was some I think it was serious. Some lad
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: went over there. I think he was featured in the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: media a bit and then the next thing you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: he'd got his position, had got overrun. Do you remember
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: that story? Did you know that guy?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: That's twenty seventeen?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Ron, I couldn't put a date on it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Could you refresh our memory?
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: See his face? I can see his face. It looks
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: a bit like Rodney from Only Fields and RS.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: He was a yeah, blonde he yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Poor lad.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Yes, but I could tell from the pictures of him
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: although he hadn't been a British soldier, it was his
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: ambition and he gained a military bearing from the look
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And he was with the Kurdish. Hevals the Kurds.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: They take Kurdish civilians and make them into soldiers. So
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: if one of the Westerners he is not ex military,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: the Kurds will put him through the academy. So that's
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: the big filter with the Kurdish YPG. People must go
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to the academy if they can't prove that they've served
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: in the nation's military or served in another military.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: So in Siri you don't get it so much.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: But I guess there will be wars in the future,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: God forbid, when all sorts of freaks will turn.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Out back in some nightmare.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Fred Karno's Army is what my my training corporal used
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: to call it. There was an old film, an old film,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you like Fred Karnal's Army.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You lot you fucking tip?
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that expression come to mind, was it? Was it?
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Oliver Hall honestly don't know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I'll have to watch that find out that film's origin
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: of watching.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, sorry, I'm talking about the chap that was killed.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: That's his name.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so there's that thing then that no one
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: thinks it's going to happen to them. No one thinks
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: they're going to buy the farm.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Not true, not true.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: The Royal Marine who I served Costa costa scurfin. He
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: indicated verbally he knew what was going to happen.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I just say just for people at home,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: know the guy that I was talking about was not
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Oliver Hall because he was killed clearing minds. This was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: another chap that was in the media and I just
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: know that his position got overrun and you know it
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: didn't end well for him. But Costa, Yeah, we discussed
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Costa in our last podcast and we form a ral Marine.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: He was. He was one who I was.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: So he he would have been a guy that rocked
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: up there that pretty much was self sufficient because he
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: knew as far as you know, his training needs were,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: his experiential needs were. He would have known what to do.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: What what what? What do you do with the youngsters
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: men that are a bit clueless? Do some of them
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: get sent home?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Well, there was one one fellow who was a war
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: from the British Army. He got sent home because the
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: British Army aren't to be messed with and the Curs
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: sent him, sent him packing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: But he made good. He left the British Army.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: He came back after that Ukrainian Marines now now he
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: runs a training organization in Ukraine.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: But there were some who were directed into civilian.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Service in Kurdistan, Chris, because try not to lose people
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: because there's a lot of civilian work to be done,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: tree planting even or working in a communal bakery. Even
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: tried to retain people. But most of most of the people,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: if there was one common thread running through them, it
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: was hatred of the Jack the Ripper type sex times
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: that ISIS had been committing Chris, But.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: That's another story.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Maybe the Beatles, Jihadi John, South London, the road men.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: It's a long story somewhere in the anti terrorism files.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that? What was he called? Jihaddie John?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: What what?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: What?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: What do you think? Well, obviously we can't get into
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: graphic detail, but those videos, some of the videos coming
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: out from ISIS were honestly the quality they were like
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: four K, They were like Hollywood productions. I won't say
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the content of them, because the content was utterly vile,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: beyond the as vile as you could get. And I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: just had our time believing that that some rag tag
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: militia had put these videos together.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: But ah, it could be argued, Chris, that you look
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: at any British city, who are the people running computer
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: repair shops. Who are the people with such digital experience?
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: You could you could say that isn't it. You could
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: say that the people who were in ices were the
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: people who demographically they work in such industries. Or you
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: could say dark forces were at work and CIA top
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: level disinformation experts were gosh, what's what's that film? They
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: engineered some crisis in Albania to change the election in America?
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Do you remember that it was
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: before Kosovo?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: No, it sounds like it's got Mossad written all over it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And when I say, I shouldn't really say Massad because
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I think all the intelligence agencies, I think they all
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: work for the same dark cabal. Did you see this thing?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: They were saying that all isis drove brand new Toyota
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: pickup trucks. And the thing was, no one was questioning
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: where they where they were getting these brand new pickup
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: trucks from.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: It's true, and I've seen a lot of black Toyota
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: pickup trucks in my own country. High looks Toyota high. Yeah,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: wonderful vehicle. And I believe that they were brought in
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: through the Gulf States.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They had to be gotten their gotten. They
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: had to have got there somehow. And yeah, this is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: why I say, Timo, you know, I take all these
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: narratives with a pinch of salt. I'm firmly of the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: belief I know controls who was trying to control the world.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: So moving on then Ukraine, What I mean, how many
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: people do you think rocked up there thinking it was
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: going to be like running around the desert playing soldiers
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and you know that, I mean, that's the previous experience
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: of volunteers was going to places like like Syria or whatever.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And then when they actually rocked up in a let's
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: just call it a proper war zone or a modern
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: theater of war, and they saw the lethality of these
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: weapons systems. I mean, I'm guessing a lot of people
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: just packed up and went home.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Tom didn't They absolutely, absolutely, but hopefully not without having
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: contributed something, well hopefully without If a person's got to
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that level, they're on a fire team, so they're even
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: digging the tunnel and passing the ammunition up up the
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: stairs to the grenade launcher rule and they've already saved
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: the life by rotating into that position. And if after
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: that terrible experience they decide to hop it and go home.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: At least they'll have contributed something and they'll be remembered.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Somebody will remember them to their dying day. Their comrades
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: will dream about them till they're dying day. Once you're in,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: you're in.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Foreign Legion that like the depot was hit,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: wasn't it by these massive like bunker Buster? Do you
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: remember when that happened? There was It was about eight
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: to ten huge, huge targeted explosions.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're talking about the UK Foreign Legion that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And and basically Moscow had hit the Foreign Legion,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: not not the recruiting center so to speak, but where
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: the recruits were sort of sent to, I guess, get
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: their initial training, pick up their equipment.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It happened, and my second in command later he'd been there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I was in a group called a Norman Brigade led
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: by an ex NCR with the French Foreign Legion Parachute Region.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: His name was Ruf.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: He was French Canadian and his two ice his second
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: in command was an Englishman, and he'd been he'd been
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: at this strike you're talking about, and he was one
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: of the people who stayed in country and he's still there.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So who was the sniper? Do you remember there was?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Wally?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Wally?
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Was he Canadian or something? Wasn't he?
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That's right? You see Roof the commander of the Norman brigade.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Mate, how do you spell her Roof? I'll get it
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: up on the screen. H r U l F Yep,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: keep talking.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Rulf had been Wally's commander as well, and had what
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to say about everybody. He didn't beat around any bush
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: and he had a I don't give a fuck about
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: your feelings attitude. But yeah, there's the Canadians also, second
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: to He.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Got a very Jewish look to him. This Jean Francois
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Rattel was his real name. And sorry, going back to Wally,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: what he was?
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: This?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: It was this ship hot sniper basically, wasn't he? And
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: then we didn't We heard a lot about him, and
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: then then we didn't hear anything about him. What what's
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: his story?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: I believe there's a whole online, secure secure secure chat. Yeah, listening,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: they all organize it between themselves. You know, they've all
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: got they are in touch between themselves, and if someone
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: shuts their mouth, they shut them They shut their mouth,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: because some don't give a fuck. Individual that's got in
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: touch with them and said keep this quiet.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Let's so it is. He still alive, is what I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: getting at and what I believe.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: He's a hero man. He fired on the enemy. Man,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: he fired his sniper rip at the enemy. Well more,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: do you want counting the rounds on him, counting his
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: rounds for him?
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Sorry, I'm just trying to look here. I'm just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get a picture of him. I don't know
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: if they ever actually showed his picture in the media.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: How many how many foreign fighters are over there or
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: were over there? And did that tail off when they
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: realized how much people were getting deaded?
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Of course slightly, But there is still a decent stream
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: of young men and young women turning up to join
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: the armful Ukraine because, of course, Chris, if a soldier
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: lasts in the armed forces until the end of the war,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: they have a new life. There'll be a Ukrainian citizen,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: just like with the French Foreign Legion. And Ukraine is
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: a great and beautiful and massive country. And the scale
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: and everything's bigger. It makes London seeing cluttered with little buildings.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: It's Ukraine will always have people who are willing to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: give up their life to become part of Ukraine, just
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: like a Taiwan Wold or any country that calls and
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: says to young people and not so young people all
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: over the world, give up that life that you're living now,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: and give up that boss who's pissing you off or
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: this all that, and come to me and fights a
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: decent fight and get a new life and maybe find
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: a wife or a husband, and even after the war,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: to live as a veteran of that country's liberation and
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: not just as a nobody back in their own country.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I remember walking in Mikolayev with with the Ukrainian sergeant
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: and I said to him, I said, you know, after
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the war, probably sad that nobody, nobody will give a
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: fuck about you guys. They will just say, oh, you
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: lost your leg in a car accident or something for example.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: And he said yeah, And the guy who lost his
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: leg in a car accident will probably say he lost
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: it in combat. But you'll always have people who want
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: to go to fight for Ukraine.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Really well.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Of course, there's also a political slide to it as well.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: There are certain certain political clips and.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: That we should point out. It's not it's not just
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: they go and fight for Ukraine. A lot of people
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: are gone to fight for Russia as well. It's it's
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just the Ukrainian ones have got a lot of I'd
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: say it suits the media narrative a lot, brought more
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to focus on these you know what, the media I
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: want you to believe a heroic young people going into
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the danger zone on the side of righteousness. But of
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: course there's always two sides to a media narrative.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: There's always two sides to the medal as well. That's
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: that was the bargainer Brigades catch line. Two sides to
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: the medal, and on the other side of the medals
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: the scud and crossbones some some fucking a cult symbol,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: isn't it.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, well now we get into the heart of
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the program. It's it's all one big satanic game, because
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that's what what what they play in the gallible public.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Just they don't understand it, tim or do they They
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: watch their news and they think it's all like about
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: soldiers and heroes and tea and medals and sort of.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: They don't they don't understand the people that tail all
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: this ship.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: The truth is too awful for the public to imagine
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: the truth is too personal and more. Someone once said,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I if the public knew the truth, there would be
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: revolution by tomorrow morning.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I just want to go back, mate, because you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'm more friends at home, like I get the I
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: don't even want to call it the politics of it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: It's not the politics. It's all just probably more accurate
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: to say New World Order gameplay by these satanic maniacs.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to That's not the conversation I
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to have with. The conversation I want to have
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: is you know, what's it actually like to rock up
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: there being a trench, to get issued with a Kalashnikoff
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: or whatever the weapon might be, to be in one
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: of these trenches that you've just dug with a spoon,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and then get eyes on on a drone coming straight
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: towards you because some Russian spotty teenager are in a
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: sitting in a shake on in Moscow has seen a
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: heat signal and now you're just about to die it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: You know, this is the reality. This is the reality.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sort of want one want to discuss did what
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: were the drones terrifying? Timo? Was that something you did
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: not want to hear that noise.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, it sort of seems unfair in the time of
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Nights that the English knights said that bows and arrows
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: were unfair. And I'm gentle one can imagine the horror
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: they suddenly felt on the battlefield. But yes, but one
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: thing I'd like to say that when when one is
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: on the battlefield, one is usually high. Naturally, I was
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: always sort of seeing little visions. It's adrenaline or endorphins
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: or whatever natural chemicals come into the body.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I was always.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Able to find within myself some inner motivation, I believe
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: it or not.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I had a dream of Zelensk. Here.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I was asleep in my little spoon hole, as you
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: call it, and I dreamt I was in the Supermark
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: and Zelenski was there, and he bent over in front
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: of me and he picked up a huge bottle of
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: brute champagne and he kissed it. And I was thinking of,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I want to get out of this place.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: But when he picked up the champagne, he said to me,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: I guess I'm not for you. There I was feeling,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: as you say, the level of the bombardment. It was horrific,
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: but within myself and my dreams. Like human beings are
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: magical creatures, Chris, And as horrible as situations may be,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: human beings, say, usually find a way and afterwards it
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: would seem like a madness. But with the levels of
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: endorphins the human beings, I thought of myself as a
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: cockroach in Syria. At one point I was laying in
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: the grass and I saw a lovely fly, a big, big,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: bulbous fly on a grass blade, and it just flew
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: away from that place. The bullet were flying in that village,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I know, I thought, I thought, how freeze that fly?
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: It can just get away from here. But of course
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: it would probably go right into some spiders. Word, wouldn't
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: it So? Yes, yes, womans are hardy. And I thought
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: to myself as a cockroach, I was in I was
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: in one village, was taking the village, and I was
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: in a house, and I knew, I knew I could survive,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: and I crawled on my belly through burning brass and
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: the things that happened on that day. I carried a
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: man on my back under fire and I survived. And
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: in the heat of the moment, human beings find a
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: way to get through it. Because people in the heat
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: of the moment, they can be as mad as Ronnie
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: and Reggie Cray. They can be as mad as Frankie
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: and mad Axeman Mitchell, like the woman who could suddenly
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: pick up the car to say they're infant.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: He escaped from Dartmoor Prison. That acts that axe world
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: in Maniac. Timo Tell asked me a question, what kind
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: of drugs and how much alcohol are you getting on
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the front line there in Ukraine? What's everyone doing to
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: kind of drown their sorrows or get off it?
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Well, it's Ukraine, and one will always come across a
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: hidden stash of empty vodka bottles. Whenever one is around troops.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: One will go in a shed and one will find
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: a stash of empty.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Vodka bottles or a bucket. You know what a bucket?
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: Bong looks like a five liter.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I've never ever seen such a thing. Mate, don't know
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: what you're talking about.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Well, of course, of course the soldiers are smoking some weed.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And my platoon commander even said, you can smoke weed,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you just don't in the position.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Don't do it in the position.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the wartime, people are given some leeway when
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: they're on the second line, but of course on the
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: first line, at the zero line, there should be military discipline.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: But I know there are some teams.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: If the everyone on the team was smoked weed, then
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: one of the first things I do when when they
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: when they have a second is is cut open a
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: five liter water bottle and cut open a small water
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: bottle and then you have a suction bond to smoke
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: weed with. And they'll make one of those. And in
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Syria the thing was tramadol. The medics were dishing out
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: tramadol to everybody. In some places it was half half
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: empty package of tramadol were laying in it. And cigarettes.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: The curds were given two hundred decks of cigarettes with
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: with the with the packs of nan bread. Sometimes the
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: logistics truck would come and there was only cigarettes and nandred.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: But troops they do need stimulants, relax. And I don't
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: drink alcohol. That's one of the truth One of the
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: truths of ISLA, I think is that I don't like
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: alco I don't want it in my life. But the
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: German Army in World To, for example, they were given
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: a lot of perverting.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: It's tablet, it's made of mephro amphetamine. It can keep
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: troops going for days.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: I think in the future you see a lot more
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: drugs and on the front line, Chris, because, for example,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: in twenty years, if there is a conscription in Britain
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: and there's been legalization of candidates, the huge the hordes
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: of modern young British people, they'll be crying out and
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: going a wall.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: If you tell them you can't smoke weed. Now you're
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: in the ark.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: You'll have to let the young conscripts smoke weed. I'm
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: not sure what the situation is in the Dutch army,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: for example, but in Bosnia we had Dutch soldiers with
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: us and I never saw them, but it was said
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: they were allowed to smoke weed when they weren't on patrols.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Sometimes in a Dutch in a Dutch army. So did
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you're smoking smoking the doo? Be weird? He's also your boyfriend.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Did you say with the cluggies the Dutch Marines they
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: have a big partnership with the Rawal Marines.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. Where do you think they get all
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: the ganga from? Yes?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: So just shown this headline here it's Trump to let
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: putin keep land seized from Ukraine. This seems under these
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: they're calling it peace talks, but basically Trump wants to
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: let black Rock have carte blanche to sort of do
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: what it wants with Ukraine's minerals and natural wealth in
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: return for that fostering or overseeing this peace steel in
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: which Ukraine gives back well Crimea stays as part of Russia,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: which it kind of is anyway, at the moment, I
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: guess it's saying he's the curse on region. I'm not
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: sure about the Dombas, whether it's talking about letting Russia
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: keep that, but I'm guessing it would be. It's that
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: it's gonna upset a few people, mate, isn't it.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Without a total collapse, as was the case with Germany
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: in World War Two, It's always going to.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Upset some people.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Probably, So, Yes, I believe that the joy of peace
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: and the spontaneous parties and the firing in the air
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: of automatic weapons. I think a joy would overtake people
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: there if it happened. But Chris, when you talk about
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: her son, for example, the Russian Federation, they only have
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: part of her song. Now, what I'd like to make
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: clear is that Ukrainians shouldn't be forced to give any
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: extra territory, like they shouldn't be forced to give her
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: Son City or any of the places where I served,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: which which were north of the Dnipro River east of Herston.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It should just be a total freezing of the front line. No,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: you should have to give any Believe it as it is,
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Leave it as it is. And if some civilians or
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: some disgruntled military personnel have a problem, I'm sure there'll
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: be the appropriate security operations to stop them from having
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: any cruditar or hopefully things won't go to pear shaped
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: and the state won't collapse, and still Ukraine would be
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: larger than Germany, it would be the largest country in Europe. So,
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: just as with Finland in nineteen thirty nine, they fought
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: honorably against the Soviet Union which comprises Russia, but in
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the end they concluded a peace treaty which gave Russia
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: everything they wanted. And everybody remembers the Finns as the
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: heroes of the hour. And I believe even if there
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: was a peace treaty that some some Ukrainians aren't pleased with,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: in the world's eyes, there will always be viewed as.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: The heroes of the hour.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Militarily the small underdog who took on the largest country
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: on the planet. But I do believe with Donald Trump
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: that people need to see it on. If one soldier
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: gets shot in the head today, it's too much. Because
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: we are becoming a more humanist society. Perhaps people should
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: give up there just being swayed by fervent ideas and
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: just think about that one kid on a on a
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: bench who gets pierced by shrapnel from a rocket and
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: dies that day, or that one father in who's been
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: in the trenches for so long and he gets hit
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: by her by an aerial bomb and there's nothing left
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: with that poor chap, and it's too much. There's religious people,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: there's Christians or Muslims or Jews or Sekhs or whatever.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: We have to remember that save one life, who save
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: the whole world. So I fervently believe that mister Putin
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: should just cause a Lenski and say fuck it, Vladimir,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: fuck it, Let's just have a.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Bloody piece deal, you know, forget all this bloody talk.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Let's just have a fucking peace deal. Get on with
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: it and save some Facebook.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, the trouble is that the most obvious solution doesn't
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: make doesn't funnel money to his big mafia club club controllers.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: That's why we've seen this conflict. You think you weed
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: have learned something after Vietnam the public, I mean, but
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: obviously no one read reads books and learns their history.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: They're going to spill. They keep these conflicts going as
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: long as they can because the gallible British taxpayer, American taxpayer. Yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: they think it's all about like heroes and all this
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: kind of nonsense and and.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: A very long way. Can I tell you a story.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: It's written in the Yazi descriptions. Now their profits is
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: an angel, most religious profits, a person, a human, but
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: they claim that their profits called the peacock Angel. And
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: other religions they claim that the peacock Angel is the devil,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: but they also agree he was an angel. And so
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: to the Yazidis, he tells his story, and he tells
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: that he had a city, armours planet before he fell
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: out of God's graces. He had a city, and it's
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: documented that it was in Jordan, the Kingdom of Jordan.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: It was in the desert sixty five kilometers south of
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Mahan City. M apostrophe am Mahan City. There's a road
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: that goes to the Saudi Arabian border. Sixty five kilometers south.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: You'll see three aeriels with red lights on top of
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: them a valley. The road dips into the valley.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: That's where the city was according to the Azik scripture.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Now it's close to a military training. I learned a
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: bit through a book I read by an American military service.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: It's called Psychic Warrior. His name was Major David Moorehouse.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: He claims to have been a psychic remote viewer for
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: the US Army. And it all started when he was
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: hitting the helmet by bullet at Battle o'goul and he
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: passed out and he had a vision. He was at
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: the foot of a gras and seven figures dressed in
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: white met him and they said to him, the path
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: you're on now, your military path isn't a very good one.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: And from those moments on he has these psychically remote
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: viewing powers. Well, there's many many stories in the Arab
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: culture about the place, and I've been there. I set
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: about going there. I visited quite a few times, and
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: I can attest that it's one of those places like
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Lured in France or Jerusalem, there's many pilgrimage sites around
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: the world of people attests or Matchu picchu. So many
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: people see UFOs at Matchu Pitchu. I don't disbelieve. But
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: this place bottom el ghoul in Arabic, it means the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: belly of the beast, bellied the death. I had dreams there.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: I was first, and I was sleeping on the desert floor.
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: I dreamt of their alien technology buried in the ground.
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: I dreamt of huge eagles. They were eating meat in water,
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: like kosher or halal meat. They said to me, we love.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: I saw beautiful things.
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  Speaker 3: And I'd just like to tell people if I get
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: a chance, about that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: And ible now they say, once the devil was sent down,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: he was sent to the center of the earth, according
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: to and there he still lives as an electrical consciousness.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: If you do you understand the theory of an electrical.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Consciousness in what respect him?
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: So?
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Our brain is a piece of meat, right, and with
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: electrical signals going around it, which are our thoughts correct?
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Which is us? So?
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: The center of the earth is a huge swollen mass
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: of molten metal, and it's proven that it creates electricity
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: because all the electricity that goes, It goes out from
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: the center of the earth to the ionosphere.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: That's what Tesla believed he could harness.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: But imagine that that electricity in the core is a soul.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: If the thoughts in our brain can be can be
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: our soul. And it's proven that it's just electrical signals
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: and a piece of meat. So why can why can't
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: fall an age not live in the center of the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: earth electrical signals going around.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: A ball of molten metal.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: It's proven that those electrical signals go out through the earth,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: through all the animals, to the ionis. And the Azidi's
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: believe that their prophet, the Peacock Angel, he can speak
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: to every human being on earth because his thoughts are
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: layered into the electrical impulses of the earth itself. And
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: battern Old Ghoul in Jordan was his city, And if
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: one can go there and find belief in that story,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: then one can believe in God and heaven as well.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Because if one can see the reality of the devil
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: and a sad fall, then one has the key to life,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: the key to believing in God himself and heaven because
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: the devil he fell to hell. But we still have
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: a chance he's trying to tempt us to go to hell.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: But we have a chance to go to heaven. We
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: have a chance that our eternal life will be blessed
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: in the garden of Eden, whereas his eternal life is cursed.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: But according to the Azidis, that will be forgiven. That's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: another thing. The AzID differ, the religions differ. As he
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: is claimed the devil, he'll be forgiven because God is forgived,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: His forgiven hisself for all. Islam denies the passion. You
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: recognize the passion of Christ, the story of how he
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: went to the cross and his passion for God. It
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: led him to self suicide as were on the cross,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: but Islam denies that. Islam says Jesus Christ was whisked
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: away safely and God transformed the visage of a criminal
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: and the criminal was crucified.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Islam denies the passion. So things differ.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: But Christianity doesn't say anything about washing one's feet or
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: being clean. You can have some minging Christian guy with
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: that cheesy forskin, cheesy polls.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: He ain't never washed, he.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Ain't washed before prayer, and Muslim washes before prayer goes
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: out in clean white clothes, but that cheesy Christian like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: university student.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: He never cut a virgin's head off.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: But that isis isis did, and that's the that's that's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: the false, the false prophecy.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Part of his love.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Chris Islam says that Mohammed, So I'll say that Mohammed
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: he met the devil. The devil said to him, the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: devil has to tell one truth for every nine lives
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: to a prophet. Mohammed he met the devil walking in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: the desert, and the devil answered his questions. He says,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: when when I meet a prophet, I have to answer
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: so and so questions. And he said, one truth I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: have to tell you is that when a man gets angry,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: I ring a bell. He was covered in bells. The
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: devil had a suit and hat with bells. And he says,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: when there's two two men and one gets angry, I
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: ring a bell. When when he swears, I ring another bell,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: he says, when he when he when he bashes the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: guy with his fist, I ring another bell. Now all
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: that violent action the lower the lower part of humanity.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: The devil is trying to tap into it. But it's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: way more complex than we can imagine way more complex,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: and the monotheistic religions and the other religions give a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: wonderful window. And batanel Ghoul, Chris. One thing I'd like
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: to do in this life is that people would go
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: there after I passed away, because it's hidden now. In
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: the Quran, it says in the end, the world will
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: give up what's hidden within it one day. In the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: world will destruct one day, and there's things buried in
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: this of alien manufacture and high technology will be.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Revealed in the end. Brother.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never really gone much down the alien route.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm not even going to like do a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: line in the sand or statement claim or whatever, because
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: it's not really anything, not really anything I know about.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I think. I think there's enough fascinating stuff just in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: life before you start looking at supernatural. But what sorry, Tim,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: And that sounds like I was trying to shut you up.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: It didn't. I didn't mean that. I just meant that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: what I wanted to ask, where where's your future lay? Then?
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Because I don't picture you picking up arms again, not
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: with your your spiritual calling.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: I have my red line in the sand, but I
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: don't think I'll live long enough to see my hometown
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: in England attacks by an infantry assault. I mean if
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I was alive in a couple of hundred years and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: I'd happily pick up homes, of course, to defend my
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: own homes, as people did in Bosnia. In Bosnia, one
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: village would suddenly be cabbying.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Off at the next village.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: There there is one country you don't want me to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: talk about, but I would fight for that country if
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: the call came.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: It's not that it's not that I don't want you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: to talk about it, it's just that you know.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: I would.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: It's just going to upset a lot of people, and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I just didn't want to get I say political in
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the right word. But you know, there's I'm fascinated about
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: why does someone pick up arms and go to a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: foreign country? And you know, there's just so much to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: talk about because it's an.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: Age, Chris, it's easier in this day and age, but
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: you're better asking that question to a civilian like Cossack Gundy.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: I served within aident in Syria. It was his first war.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: He'd had uncles, we've been in the British Army and
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do his bit for his family and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: he came to Syria to join Taborda Sauran. You'd better
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: asking someone like him that question. But of course, with
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: me as an ex soldier, a lot of it is
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: just professional, professional instinct to carry on one's career. Like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: you and I. We went through basic training and faced
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: you training. You did the command, of course, probably when
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: you're a teenager. I did all that when I was
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: a teenager for my regiment, and of course at that
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: time we are forming as people. As they say, once
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: a rifle and always a rifle. If a person's gone
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: through British Army military training when he's eighteen, he'll jolly
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: well be called by he's in a psyche to go
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: to the ends of the earth to soldier that. When
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: I came back from Syria, I crashed at my brother's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: flat in London and I had a dream was about
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Isis and a voice in a dream, a calm and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: clear voice, it said I would go to the ends
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: of the earth to fight against them. Maybe it was
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: my owner rifleman. But you're asking me an.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: Ex riflement, Chris. The answer is clear.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: You better asking that question to a civilian turned freedom fight.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, sorry, I was probably getting my terminology
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: mapped up. Then tim O Listen could chat longer. Brother,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: But we've I think we've actually been chatting nearly three
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: hours now altogether.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: Brother.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Right, let's not get any problem between our friendship about
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: the Mossad comment. But well, what can I say? Their
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: people who are doing what their hearts tell them to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: defend their own countries, they understand, just like Mr six
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: are doing, just like the CIA are doing, just like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: the KGB in its modern form of doing. If you're
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: saying that the Mossade is sort of the head of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: the hydrant of international intelligence agencies, well if there were
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: such a thing, then the people from from the Chosen
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: people who were involved in it would have a special place,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: because the Chosen people have a special place for God
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: and for the devil. So if there are people working
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: for the devil, they would they would try their very
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: best to involve Judaism in it in some way to
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: make God angry. They say Satan is going churches, turn
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: the crosses upside down, to commit fornication in churches just
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: to make God angry. They try to gain positions in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: churches just to make God angry, to take the piss
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: so if there were, if there were some people from
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: the Chosen People involved, they're just they're just they're just
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: people trying to take the piss and they shouldn't be
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: thought of as Jews. There's Satanists, just like if you've
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: got some child molesting children's home, using using it as
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: a fucking whorehouse. John Wedger talks about it. You've got
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: it in Britain, you've got it in Belgium, you've got
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: it in all the countries. You had it in sarist Russia.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: It's called Satanism, Chris. And if you try and single
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: out the Jewish people is wrong. If you try to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: single out the Moss side against against the m I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: six and the c I A or the KGB, they've
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: all they've all got their snouts in the trough. It's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: wrong that that Hitler singled out the Jewish people. No,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: if there's a few piss tigers trying to trying to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: hide within the Jewish people and blame the Jewish people,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: they're Romans and they've got the Jewish people blamed. They've
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: got them blamed. But that's for another podcast. God bless you, Chris.
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  Speaker 4: You're my friend, my fellow humor and I love you.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I love you too, mate. Gotta keep your powder dry.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: As they say, even in terms of peace.
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  Speaker 3: God bless Chris.
• 1:09:28
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