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Tom Zawistowski - WeThePeopleConvention.org · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Deep Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: Seventy nine, fifty five KRCY Talk Station. Happy Tuesday, the
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  Speaker 2: return of Tom's Awastowski. You can find Tom online we
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  Speaker 2: the People Convention dot Org, his podcast weekly. He's got
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  Speaker 2: lots of great coverage on the website there with the
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  Speaker 2: People Convention dot Org. Tom's Awastowski, Welcome back to the
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  Speaker 2: fifty five KRCY Morning Show. Topic near and dear to
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  Speaker 2: my listener's hearts as well as mine, property taxes in
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  Speaker 2: the state of Ohio. Of course, there's a circulating petition
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  Speaker 2: to try to get on the ballot a constitutional amendment
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  Speaker 2: that would completely eradicate property taxes in Ohio. And I
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  Speaker 2: know there's a group behind that. Apparently that group has
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  Speaker 2: met with viveg. Gramis. I mean, you're here to explain that,
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  Speaker 2: but also this new poll that you have done. Welcome back, Tom.
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  Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to have you on the morning show.
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  Speaker 1: Oh great to be with you, Brian, to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, really the most talked about topic in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot to unpack here, but
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  Speaker 1: I was very glad I think you probably were as
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  Speaker 1: well to see the bank meet with the Axe Ohio people.
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  Speaker 1: With Brian Massey and Leonard and those guys. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they've put got a statement, and I don't think they're
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  Speaker 1: being went all that well, but at least it shows
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  Speaker 1: that the THEK is interested in the topic, is listening,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to people to try to figure out, okay,
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  Speaker 1: how do we address what is really an egregious, you know,
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  Speaker 1: situation where people have been taxed out of their homes.
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  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I was happy to see they get
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  Speaker 1: together well.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he would be a fool to ignore
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  Speaker 2: that issue, given that it is, you know, a really
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  Speaker 2: a dominant topic here in Ohio and got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of seniors struggling to stay in their homes. We got
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  Speaker 2: whacked not that long ago by a really huge increase
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  Speaker 2: in property taxes brought about by the increase in real
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  Speaker 2: estate values. I mean, something's got to give here. So
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  Speaker 2: he wants to talk about it. But did he say
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  Speaker 2: he's in favor of eliminating it by way of a
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  Speaker 2: constitutional amendment? I can't imagine he went that far yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I, you know, I want to share
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  Speaker 1: with your listeners something that I have not made public previously.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why THEVANK you know, is not you know,
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  Speaker 1: willing to commit. I don't think anybody is to total
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  Speaker 1: repeal of property taxes is because the voters just don't
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  Speaker 1: support it. You know, to could do some context. Literally
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  Speaker 1: nine months ago, I said, geez, I really want to
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  Speaker 1: try to help the repeal property tax effort. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Brian and Leonard of these guys have been friends of mine,
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  Speaker 1: they're grasp News people, They're sincere in their efforts. And
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  Speaker 1: so I and some other patriots went out and tried
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  Speaker 1: to raise money to get this on the ballot, because,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, it costs millions of dollars to collect
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  Speaker 1: these signatures. I mean, I'm one of the few people
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  Speaker 1: alive in the state who's actually passed a constitutional amendment.
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  Speaker 1: I was the president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty eleven when we passed the Ohio health Care Amendment,
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  Speaker 1: and I know some things from that, and I learned
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  Speaker 1: some hard lessons. So when we went out to look
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  Speaker 1: for money, Brian, well, you know, no one's going to
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  Speaker 1: give you millions of dollars if they don't think you've
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  Speaker 1: got a good chance of succeeding. So last December, we
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  Speaker 1: paid for a statewide survey and I mean We did
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  Speaker 1: a really good job of looking at every county individually
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  Speaker 1: to see will people support a complete repeal of property taxes?
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  Speaker 1: And the answer is absolutely not. The number came back
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  Speaker 1: at only seventeen point two percent of people in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: want a full repeal, but sixty nine percent want reform.
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  Speaker 1: And that had caused me to have to pivot and
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  Speaker 1: try to talk to the act of hiow tax people
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  Speaker 1: and say, guys, you know this is not going to fly.
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  Speaker 2: We need something else, something else. And therein lies the challenge,
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  Speaker 2: what something else is going to provide us relief and
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  Speaker 2: yet allow of course, schools and parks and police and
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  Speaker 2: fire to continue to be funded. Let's first start with
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  Speaker 2: the with the poll here, I see that you you
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  Speaker 2: pulled twelve hundred and forty seven registered voters. I saw
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  Speaker 2: the margin of error described as plus or minus two
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  Speaker 2: point eight percent, which is a pretty good margin of error.
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  Speaker 2: Who did you hire to do the polling? Because trust me,
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  Speaker 2: you're not You understand this. I think everybody in my
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  Speaker 2: listening audience has a jaundiced eye of skepticism when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to any poll. We've all been burned by believing polls.
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  Speaker 2: So where are we with just the overall polling, who
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  Speaker 2: did it and what specifics do you have on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, See, this is really important because those of your
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  Speaker 1: listeners who are familiar with me personally and with the
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  Speaker 1: WEA That People convention, know that years ago we realized
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  Speaker 1: all the polls were propaganda, and we started doing our
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  Speaker 1: own polling and we were the only we were literally
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  Speaker 1: the only person, I guess we were one of two
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  Speaker 1: people who actually called President Trump winning Ohio in twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixteen with our poll when they were telling us that
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was going to win by sixteen percent, and
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  Speaker 1: we said Trump's going to win by eight point four,
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  Speaker 1: and he won by eight point two. So it has
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  Speaker 1: always been our policy the way people connection to do
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  Speaker 1: our own polling. Now, you know, things have changed since then.
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  Speaker 1: We used to just use our own equipment and do
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  Speaker 1: you know, phone calls to do the pulling, and now
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  Speaker 1: you've got to do a lot more. So we had
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  Speaker 1: to hire, you know, some professional pulling companies to help us.
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  Speaker 1: But this is critical. We got to tell ourselves the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Zalatowski is not going to make decisions that, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: you know, literally millions of Ohioans based on some phony
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  Speaker 1: poll and so I'm very confident in this poll because
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  Speaker 1: I helped with the questions and I help with the methodology,
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  Speaker 1: and we know we got what we paid for, and
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  Speaker 1: believe me, it costs a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to dive in some of the
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  Speaker 2: polling results which are really interesting. Yes, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people support reforming. They don't necessarily approve the abolishment, which
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  Speaker 2: Tom just pointed out, only seventeen point two percent of
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  Speaker 2: those polled up call for the total abolishment. But that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean that there isn't a desire for some change here.
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  Speaker 2: Let's dive into more details, Tom z Awastowski, We the
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  Speaker 2: People Convention dot org.
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  Speaker 1: Will bring see the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: If you bought KRECD talk station right time was so
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  Speaker 2: Tom's Awastowski for We the People Convention dot Org get
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  Speaker 2: ready to dive on in the property tax reform in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: What voters believe, what the data shows statewide survey. Tom's
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  Speaker 2: got great confidence in it. He's got prior polls that
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  Speaker 2: he has done to stand on proving that he has
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  Speaker 2: been very accurate. Now pivoting over before we dive on
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  Speaker 2: to some of the results which I find very interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Tom now did you poll only property owners, did you
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  Speaker 2: get kick renters out of the polling? I know renters
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  Speaker 2: pay property tax, they just don't generally realize it that
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  Speaker 2: it does get passed on. In the monthly rent build
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  Speaker 2: the property tax of the building goes up. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: you won't know who's going to pay it. But was
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  Speaker 2: there any differentiation in the polling between real property owners
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  Speaker 2: and renters?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there really was. And again we were careful to
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  Speaker 1: make sure we really dug down and got representation from
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  Speaker 1: all voters, because if you're going to do a cost
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  Speaker 1: social amendment, now you got to asked on the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: And there is a difference. Obviously, people that rent don't
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  Speaker 1: Most of them don't get that connection that their rent
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  Speaker 1: is tied to property taxes. I want to point out
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  Speaker 1: a really interesting statistic though. While we said, geez, only
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  Speaker 1: seventeen point two percent are for total elimination, uh, there's
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  Speaker 1: another statistic where you know, forty two point eight percent
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  Speaker 1: of the people polled of the voters said that they
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  Speaker 1: support abolishing property taxes for owner occupied homes only. That's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty interesting statistic and because a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: I think you've heard from your own listeners they don't
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  Speaker 1: want Walmart and Costco and and and you know, big
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  Speaker 1: businesses to get property tax release. They think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it should be for property owners. And so that forty
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  Speaker 1: two point eight percent number, I think is something that
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  Speaker 1: is being reflected in like a state Rep. Mark Heiner
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  Speaker 1: has just he's in Districts ninety eight. He just put
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  Speaker 1: up an amendment to you know, to abolish property taxes
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  Speaker 1: all homeowners. The problem is brand that's like a ten
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  Speaker 1: billion dollar hit. Now, property tax revenue in Ohio is
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  Speaker 1: like twenty two to twenty four billion dollars. Ten percent
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  Speaker 1: ten billion is like a forty five percent cut. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty tough to handle. I think that you know, initially
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  Speaker 1: we need to get to meet the sweet spot is
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  Speaker 1: like a twenty to twenty two percent cut initially, And
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  Speaker 1: and so I don't think you can repeal private saxs
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  Speaker 1: for all property owners, but maybe four people a sixty
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  Speaker 1: five or older, or people who maybe have paid private
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  Speaker 1: taxes for twenty five years, and by god, maybe you
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  Speaker 1: should actually own their home after twenty five years. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's got to be some other way to do this.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm talking to the Beck and Rob mccolly and
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  Speaker 1: other legislators about you know, what's the best way to
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  Speaker 1: go forward that we can pass right, but also does
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  Speaker 1: the things we need to do, which is reform our
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  Speaker 1: tax situation in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So those are some of the possible ways we
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  Speaker 2: can go rather than eliminate completely. Those are some of
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  Speaker 2: the potential areas we could curb back or cut back
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  Speaker 2: the property tax for at least some folks. But that
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  Speaker 2: and actually that suggests the problem that I've been facing
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  Speaker 2: with the complete elimination of it is what will they
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  Speaker 2: do in response? I mean I almost I almost want
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  Speaker 2: it to happen, just to see what our elected officials
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  Speaker 2: are faced with. I mean, talk about deer in the headlights.
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  Speaker 2: They'd be freaking out. And I relish that. But as this,
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  Speaker 2: as the polling reflects, the reason that the vast majority
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  Speaker 2: of people don't want to eliminate completely is the uncertainty
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  Speaker 2: surrounding the replacement revenue. We don't know what's going to be.
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  Speaker 2: What will happen when that deer in the headlight stops
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  Speaker 2: and they start start acting on the elimination of property taxes?
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  Speaker 2: So owner occupied homes only, that's one option. Let's see,
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  Speaker 2: ability to pay is Central Ohio and Sense of Fairness,
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  Speaker 2: eighty three point three percent believe recurring property taxes, if
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  Speaker 2: they exist, should reflect income and ability to pay. It
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  Speaker 2: sounds to me like we're getting into that class warfare
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Tom for that that status stocked me. I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. That's kind of on
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  Speaker 1: the socialism, you know, kind of path. And I'm like, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: But it shows you though, the frustration is so high
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  Speaker 1: that people will look to things like that, and we've
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  Speaker 1: got to fix it. I mean, you got to love
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard Amy Actor's proposal? Oh? You got you
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  Speaker 1: gotta hear this. You're gonna love this real quick. She
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  Speaker 1: just spoke. She was speaking at the Columbus Union Hall
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and she said the former
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  Speaker 1: state health director from Columbus suggested that one way to
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  Speaker 1: lower local property taxes would be to increase state funding
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  Speaker 1: to schools, police and fire departments and other public bodies,
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  Speaker 1: so they don't need new property taxes. So let's just
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  Speaker 1: take the money out of your other pocket and give
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  Speaker 1: the schools and police all the money they want, so
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  Speaker 1: you don't even get to vote on it. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Tom on that proposal that would require the elected officials
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  Speaker 2: and columbus to determine what any given school district is
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  Speaker 2: entitled to out of the pool of money that they
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  Speaker 2: are Oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we want that right. So here, here's talk.
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  Speaker 2: About increasing union power or something I would imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Well is what Amy actor is about at point she's running. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The actual tax, the actual Hio tax.
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  Speaker 1: People deserve a lot of credit because the basis of
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  Speaker 1: their repeal amendment is we are just over tax at Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Our government at all levels is costing more than we
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  Speaker 1: can afford. So the property tax issue, Brian, is not
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  Speaker 1: just about property taxes. It's about an instrument to reform
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  Speaker 1: all of our government. We need to give them a haircut.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the memo to the legislature, to the police
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  Speaker 1: Department's levers. We're going to cut your spending. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to reform, you're going to get rid of duplicate programs,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be more efficient, you're going to implement
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  Speaker 1: AI And if you think about it, that all dovetails
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  Speaker 1: with the back Ramaswami is talking about. If he becomes governor.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to reform our state. So we are we're
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  Speaker 1: like Florida. I were right.
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  Speaker 2: I wrote down Florida while you were talking, Tom, because
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  Speaker 2: I wrote down Ramaswamy. He wants to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the income tax here. Now that complicates matters if you
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  Speaker 2: want to get rid of the property taxes, because those
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  Speaker 2: are two sources of revenue for the state. Yet and
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  Speaker 2: we'll let you come back and talk about this. How
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  Speaker 2: is it that Florida has been able to do all
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  Speaker 2: this and has an economy that is booming. How is
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  Speaker 2: it that they're moving in the direction of eliminating property
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  Speaker 2: taxes along these lines although there are qualifications for their
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  Speaker 2: elimination of property taxes when they already don't tax income.
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  Speaker 2: This is strange. Can we mirror Florida? We'll bring Tom
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  Speaker 2: back for one more as a couple of the talk
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  Speaker 2: station seven fifty fifty about KRS he talks station. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking with Tom Zawastowski from We the People Convention dot
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  Speaker 2: org about the elimination of property taxes and how we
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  Speaker 2: might go about doing it. And now his well conducted
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  Speaker 2: survey reflects that, you know a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: tuned into the reality of eliminating it, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: create some major uncertainty about what's going to replace the revenue.
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  Speaker 2: So only seventeen point two percent of the folks say
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  Speaker 2: absolutely abolished property taxes, but that doesn't mean they don't
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  Speaker 2: all want it. So sixty nine percent of voters support
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  Speaker 2: reforming the current property tax system. And that's some of
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  Speaker 2: the areas we've been talking about with Tom this morning.
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  Speaker 2: If we don't eliminate it completely, what can we do
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  Speaker 2: by giving relief? And of course you were talking, you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned Florida, which I had written down in advance to
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  Speaker 2: ask you about. Florida has a different way of life.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have see here, they don't have income tax
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  Speaker 2: except corporate income tax I think is five point five percent.
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  Speaker 2: Their state sales tax is six percent. And they are
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  Speaker 2: moving forward with a proposal to eliminate property taxes a
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  Speaker 2: homestead property exemption. That's not second homes or vacation rentals
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  Speaker 2: or commercial property. But if you have your single primary
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  Speaker 2: residence home, it will be eliminated, with the exception of
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  Speaker 2: of school taxes they're supposed to have, Like the school
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  Speaker 2: taxes will still come out of like I guess the
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  Speaker 2: property tax built, but it's a long way toward reform. Tom,
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  Speaker 2: how come we can't be Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think here's the best way. Stop spending. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love these people who keeps talking about, Oh, we
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  Speaker 1: got to replace the revenue. That's the whole point, not
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  Speaker 1: to replace it. The whole point is to cut your
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  Speaker 1: spending to reform government. I just can't believe it. But
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  Speaker 1: it's a culture. Remember you go into office. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care if you're a Tiship trustee or county commissioner, you know,
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  Speaker 1: running a police department. What is your culture? More and
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  Speaker 1: more and more, we need this, we need that, give
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  Speaker 1: us more money. Let's put another levee on the ballot.
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  Speaker 1: We have to change that culture. And that's what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing in Florida, and that's what I think the Vike
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  Speaker 1: is going to want to do here in Ohio. But
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  Speaker 1: I've said that the veke listen, they're not going to share.
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  Speaker 1: We learned from dog where we learned from doche Oh,
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  Speaker 1: here's all this flawed abuse and things you should cut,
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  Speaker 1: And they cut nothing because if they won't cut unless
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  Speaker 1: they have to. So this property tax bill has to
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  Speaker 1: be balanced. We've got to cut enough you know, so
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  Speaker 1: that they have to reform right and get the message.
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  Speaker 1: But also we have to give release to the people
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  Speaker 1: who got thirty percent increases in their property taxes. They
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  Speaker 1: got to get made whole. We got to get some
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  Speaker 1: of that back. So we're talking about it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And the other part of it is, Brian, you know this,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if we cut all the property taxes.
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  Speaker 1: Are we cut a dollar of property taxes, the interests,
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  Speaker 1: the unions particularly are going to spend thirty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: to defeat it at the at the know, no member election.
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  Speaker 1: So we are raising money and I will know this week,
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  Speaker 1: this not this week, this month, we will know if
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  Speaker 1: we can raise the money we need to be able
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  Speaker 1: to pass it. If we do get the legislature to
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  Speaker 1: act on something that does cut property taxes and reform
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  Speaker 1: government at all levels, that's my goal. That's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on. I asked your listeners for their prayers that
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  Speaker 1: we get this funding. We've been working really hard on
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  Speaker 1: it for like ten months and we think we're there,
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  Speaker 1: but without the funding, yeah, the legislatures is not going
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  Speaker 1: to put anything on the ballot that can't be passed.
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  Speaker 1: And you've got to have money to fight the left
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  Speaker 1: when they come out and demonize everything you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting to me that ADS money, money
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  Speaker 2: equals ADS money equals propaganda, that people are so incapable
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  Speaker 2: of thinking for themselves and ignoring the ads and just
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  Speaker 2: looking at like, for example, your survey. If you are
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  Speaker 2: asked a simple question like do you think we need
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  Speaker 2: property tax reform in Ohio, and they say yes overwhelmingly,
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  Speaker 2: how when you point to the loss of revenue and
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  Speaker 2: that no one just immediately says, well, there's too many
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  Speaker 2: services coming out of Ohio. They're trying to do too
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  Speaker 2: many things with too little money. Maybe we need to
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  Speaker 2: start cutting government. And how appealing that would sound if
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  Speaker 2: you think about it logically and reasonably. Where does the
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  Speaker 2: problem come from? The problem comes from a bloadd government
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: that spends too much and therefore needs to consume more
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: of our dollars. That's a period, end of story, and
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  Speaker 2: that transcends the state of Ohio. We could point to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the federal government on that level, couldn't we tom going
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: back to DOJ.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, Yeah, and you're hitting it right on the head.
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  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that are these people who want to keep
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: raising our taxes, use our tax money to Propaganda's about that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: And here we are, as taxpayers trying to protect our
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: own interests, and we've got to go out and raisilies
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: at hour so we can defend ourselves. There's something wrong
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: with that whole balance of power. We shouldn't have to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: do that, but that's what we have to do, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to do. I have a lot
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: of hope. I think you're going to see something come
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: out in the next month or so that it's going
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to be very very good for taxpayers. It's going to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: cut their expenses, and it's also going to send a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: message to every government agency at every level, you got
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to cut your budget by like ten, fifteen or twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent because we ain't going to fund you anymore.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and the screaming at the radio going fraud, fraud,
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  Speaker 2: wasted abuse, fraud, wasted abuse and government programs, Yeah, we
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: can address that and probably you know, deal with the
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: ledged hole that's going to be left here just by
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: getting rid of the fraud wasted abuse, which is that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: AI you referred to earlier as a great mechanism to
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: maybe doing that on a going forward basis, we the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: People Convention dot org or is it dot org?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: We the People Contention dot org. Tom's Awastowski. Are you
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: going to post the poll on your website?
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I will. I have not yet. This is the first
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: time I've ever said it, you know, put it out
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: there for the public. So thank you for this opportunity.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It's an honor.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I will probably put it out in an email to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the state, you know, to my email list as we
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: go forward. But yeah, let's let's just keep moving in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the right direction. We hear the people. That's clear. We've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: got to do something, and I'm committed to making sure
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we do do something, and something that's good.