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INTERVIEW: Tye Tribbett Talks 'Victory B20', Gospel Music Within Hip Hop, Forgiveness + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Woke up, woke up, wake you up. Wake that ass up.
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  Speaker 2: Morning everybody, it's DJ Envy, Just Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy.
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  Speaker 3: We are The Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 3: in the building.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, indeed.
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  Speaker 3: We got the brother, Ty Trippett.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome.
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  Speaker 5: How y'all feeling?
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  Speaker 1: How y'all feeling? Y'all good?
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  Speaker 5: Good, good.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning. Thank y'all so much for having me.
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  Speaker 4: Jesus is king. I love that hat, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. It's true.
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  Speaker 3: It's true. I just missed you this week. I was
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  Speaker 3: at University of Maryland's East East Shore.
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  Speaker 4: Just skip over Jesus, huh?
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  Speaker 1: You saw how he did that real quick? We was
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  Speaker 1: just getting into the Jesus topic.
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  Speaker 4: You just skipped over Jesus. You moved it that quick.
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  Speaker 3: We was talking about.
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  Speaker 1: He's king.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, expound on that. Tell us
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  Speaker 4: why Jesus is king. Give glory to Jesus this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, man. We don't want to talk about you.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to do that the whole interview.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're going to say, I just missed you at
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  Speaker 2: the University of Maryland Eastern Shore.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say, I knew you performed there.
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  Speaker 3: How was everything? I had an amazing time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was,
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  Speaker 6: it was.
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  Speaker 5: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Tell me what happened.
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  Speaker 1: I went there, I went there, you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday night. So, you know, I'm just getting off
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  Speaker 1: the stage. If you saw any clips.
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  Speaker 3: It was the start of homecoming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the start of homecoming.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just getting off the, I'm leaving the pulpit
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  Speaker 1: from the church. And we was talking about Jesus being king.
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  Speaker 1: We was talking, essentially, we were talking about him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his sacrifice for us and the reason why he's king.
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  Speaker 6: He lived, he died, he rose, all the things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about all that. And it's a scripture that
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  Speaker 1: literally says Jesus, he stopped the hostility between the Jews
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  Speaker 1: and the Greeks. So you ain't got to be hostile
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  Speaker 1: just because you got differences with people. That means you
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  Speaker 1: got to be hostile against them. We can have differences peacefully.
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  Speaker 1: We can have differences humbly. This is my sermon to
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  Speaker 1: live church. Shout out live church Sunday morning, Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: I get to Maryland Eastern Shore.
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  Speaker 4: Beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: I love the people. I go there all the time.
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  Speaker 1: So a brother was on stage. I caught the end
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  Speaker 1: of his set. And at the end of his set,
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  Speaker 1: the young lady got up and just started, you know,
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  Speaker 1: basically openly rebuking him for his appearance and his words
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  Speaker 1: and things like that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm thinking, oh, my Lord. this is exactly what I
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  Speaker 6: was talking about this morning.
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  Speaker 3: And you was on next.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm next.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, my Lord.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What did I walk into?
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to come in. It's V20. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about victory.
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  Speaker 6: It's colleges, universities.
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  Speaker 1: Let me get this going. So I felt like, do
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  Speaker 1: I have to address this or do I not? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? I felt so stirred inside to
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  Speaker 1: say something because I really felt like the church needed
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  Speaker 1: to do a better job at addressing certain things like this.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Let me just break down.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody performing beforehand. What was his name? I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to mess up his name.
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  Speaker 4: Why are you looking at Jeff like she was there?
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  Speaker 3: He was a gospel singer. He was a gospel singer.
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  Speaker 2: He was performing gospel, but he had a wig on,
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  Speaker 2: a bust down. And he was performing, and he was
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  Speaker 2: praising the Lord. When he got off stage, one of
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  Speaker 2: the students jumped on stage, grabbed the mic, and rebuked
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  Speaker 2: him for doing it and says, you can't be praising
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  Speaker 2: the Lord in a bust down.
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  Speaker 5: Was he gay or something?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just asking, like, why would the student care about
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  Speaker 4: him having a bus down?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he was.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: The church says, come as you are.
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  Speaker 1: So that was my angle. That was my angle because
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  Speaker 1: I just caught the tail. And I was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: we got to do a better job than that. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Like, all right, let's be wise.
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  Speaker 1: Let's understand, like, you know, if a brother is overtaken
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  Speaker 1: in a fault, the Bible says restore such a one
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  Speaker 1: in the spirit of meekness. So even if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to rebuke somebody, the point is to restore them. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of times in old school churches, The
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  Speaker 1: rebuke is because we're.
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  Speaker 6: Right, not because let's help.
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  Speaker 1: The point is we're going to make sure, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, we have the standards of holiness in
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  Speaker 1: this establishment. And that's great.
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  Speaker 6: However, I believe the point.
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  Speaker 1: Is the person.
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  Speaker 6: The point should be the person. Like, yo, how can
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  Speaker 6: we help this person?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, let's have a conversation. Maybe it should have been.
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  Speaker 6: Offstage, maybe it should have been just a student council conversation.
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  Speaker 5: Like, hey.
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  Speaker 3: So you called the student up to have a conversation?
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  Speaker 1: I said from the stage, where my sister at right here?
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  Speaker 6: I said, hey, I understand you.
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  Speaker 1: I was there.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, hey, we all, you going to hell?
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  Speaker 1: Da, da, da, da, da, that ain't right. I cried loud,
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  Speaker 1: spared not.
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  Speaker 6: That's what the Bible says.
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  Speaker 1: I was like her. And I was also like the artist,
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  Speaker 1: who was talked about because of his appearance. I never
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  Speaker 1: wore nothing like that. But my appearance was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: he ain't saving. I later learned that the artist said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can praise God with this. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: to me that's a bit far because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we should be audacious about that. You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: When you want to display the grace of God, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we should boast about the things His Grace
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  Speaker 1: is covering. You understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we should boast about that. So I
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  Speaker 6: thought he was out of pocket for that. You know
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  Speaker 6: what I mean? So if I'd have known that, then.
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  Speaker 7: And it says, come as you are, but you had
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  Speaker 7: to go get that bus down done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you woke up.
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  Speaker 4: What's wrong with the bus down? I guess I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with the bus down.
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  Speaker 7: No, it's just like, you know how Law Roach and
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  Speaker 7: Saucy Santana be having silky bus downs?
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  Speaker 5: That's what he had on. He was praising God.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, But the question was like, yeah, he did
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  Speaker 2: have that. And he was like, I think he said
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  Speaker 2: something like, I can praise God in any way. I
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  Speaker 2: could dress however I want. Even with this wig, I
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  Speaker 2: could praise God.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just talking about to come as you are.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But isn't that true?
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  Speaker 1: Shouldn't you be able.
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  Speaker 3: To praise God however you.
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  Speaker 1: Want to praise God?
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: What you're wearing, regardless if it's a wig, non-wig, hair,
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  Speaker 2: no hair, yellow shirt, pink shirt, green shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Dress, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: And that was my angle then.
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  Speaker 1: Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Not that
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  Speaker 1: everything that's living right, that everything that prayed this morning...
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  Speaker 1: Let everything, not even just every person, let everything that
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  Speaker 1: has breath praise the Lord. So I do believe his
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  Speaker 1: statement was true. Though it was true, again, it was
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  Speaker 1: exemplifying God's grace, but not his ways. I think that
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  Speaker 1: was an example of God's grace, but not an example
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  Speaker 1: of God's ways.
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  Speaker 3: Now break that down. I'm a little confused. My thing,
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  Speaker 3: he was saying, I could come as I want and
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  Speaker 3: praise God.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, not as I am.
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  Speaker 3: I could come as I am.
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  Speaker 5: Come as I want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I'm saying that that attitude alone is not
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  Speaker 1: the correct reception of God's grace.
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  Speaker 4: You should humble yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it should be humble. Yeah, you got to come
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  Speaker 1: before him humble. Like, oh, I know I ain't right,
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  Speaker 1: but thank you for still blessing me. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: still being good to me. You're overwhelmed and grounded by grace,
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  Speaker 1: not audacious and proud.
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  Speaker 4: I know you're going to forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: You're going to have to forgive me.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Because the scalp is late and, you know, all that.
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  Speaker 1: That ain't it. That is not it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of too far.
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  Speaker 4: You said something, Ty, earlier that resonated with me, man,
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  Speaker 4: because I see a lot of it. I see a
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  Speaker 4: lot of rebuking, but nobody trying to restore it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Every single day, they are rebuking somebody. Where is the restoration?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the point, it's almost like we got
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  Speaker 1: to protect, it's like they're protecting something. So like, it's like, uh-uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's not taint this, let's not taint this, let's not
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  Speaker 1: taint this, but we're not concerned about the person. And
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  Speaker 1: at some point, we have to realize that that was Jesus'
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  Speaker 1: whole point. Christ's whole point was the person. I think
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  Speaker 1: the rebuke was for people, it's almost like a campaign,
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  Speaker 1: like a political campaign. type campaign, like we're on this side,
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  Speaker 1: we're on this side, and you rally up people that's
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  Speaker 1: on your side. And those great, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there'll be more with us that be with them. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: where do you stand? Who's on the Lord's side? But
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  Speaker 1: this is not just a campaign. This should become passion.
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  Speaker 1: It should become passion and not just a campaign, not
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  Speaker 1: just who's standing with me. And this is the season of,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, differentiation, like whose side are you on? There
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  Speaker 1: is a line drawn in the sand. in politics, in religion,
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  Speaker 1: in relationships, in everything. And everybody wants to know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whose side you're on so they can feel safe supporting
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  Speaker 1: you or they can feel safe, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: endorse you or things like that. So I think we
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  Speaker 1: make more of a point of what side we're on
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  Speaker 1: than loving people and drawing them to that side. Jesus said,
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  Speaker 1: or the Bible says, with love and kindness have I
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  Speaker 1: drawn thee. And that's how God draws, through love and kindness.
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  Speaker 1: Another scripture says, it's the goodness of the Lord that
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  Speaker 1: leads to repentance. In other words, I'm about to be
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  Speaker 1: so good to you and your mess, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be like, you're going to be convicted.
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  Speaker 6: Like, what can I do to honor you back?
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  Speaker 1: How can I pay you back? How can I, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think we lead with that in the church.
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  Speaker 1: It's just been, it has been dogmatic. It has been militant.
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  Speaker 1: It has been, you're going to hell if you're not right.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think that's the way God leads.
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  Speaker 4: Can I ask you about Matthew 16? 14.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know all the scriptures.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm reading it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I got another scripture up in here.
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  Speaker 4: It says, for if you forgive other people when they
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  Speaker 4: sin against you, your heavenly father will also forgive you.
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  Speaker 4: But if you do not forgive others for their sins,
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  Speaker 4: your father will not forgive your sins.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 4: What do you think of that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think literally Jesus said that, correct?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are words literally from Jesus. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, I mean, if Jesus said it, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: it is true. I think the point he was making
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  Speaker 1: was for us to forgive others, for us to forgive others.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's such a hard thing for people
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  Speaker 1: to do, depending on the level of offense, depending on
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances, depending on how things happen. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: is so hard to say, you know what, I let
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  Speaker 1: it go because we think we let people get off
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  Speaker 1: the hook. You can't get that. You playing me up.
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  Speaker 1: You playing in my face. Yeah, I mean, we have
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  Speaker 1: so much pride. And I think the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: goes really against the word of God, and this might
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  Speaker 1: be a broad statement, is pride. In some way, it's like, huh?
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  Speaker 1: And it's supposed to ruffle your flesh feathers. It's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to break you all the way down. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? Because the just shall live by faith, but
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  Speaker 1: not feelings. So once we swallow our pride and be like,
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  Speaker 1: you got that, you got that, I let it go.
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  Speaker 1: Then that's the grace of God in our life. That's
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  Speaker 1: the spirit of God in our lives. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: fruit of the spirit. I think all situations are about fruit.
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  Speaker 1: What fruit are you going to get off? What response
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  Speaker 1: are you going to have to it? Everything happens to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody thinks probably a lot of the same thing.
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  Speaker 6: But what are the results? What is the fruit of that?
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  Speaker 1: And I think life is about fruit from your family.
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  Speaker 6: Your sisters get on your nerves. What fruit are you
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  Speaker 6: going to be kind, love, joy.
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  Speaker 1: Peace, long-suffering? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 6: We don't like that one. But that's a fruit of
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  Speaker 6: the spirit.
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  Speaker 1: And I think life's trials and the things that annoys
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  Speaker 1: us and the things that irritate us are grounds for fruit.
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  Speaker 2: But can you forgive without a conversation, right? Meaning somebody
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  Speaker 2: does something to you and you just say, okay, I forgive.
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  Speaker 2: Are you really forgiving or are you really forgiving because
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  Speaker 2: you're not having a conversation? Or let's say somebody talks
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  Speaker 2: ish about you online, right, Tom? And you say, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I forgive that person. Then next week they
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  Speaker 2: do it again. Then the following week, they do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Then the following week, they.
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  Speaker 4: Do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Are you continuing to forgive them, or are you really
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  Speaker 2: forgiving because you never got to the root of why
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  Speaker 2: they feel that way to get it forgiven? Like if
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  Speaker 2: somebody shoots a family member, right, they could say, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: and that.
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  Speaker 3: Could be your way of forgiving.
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  Speaker 2: But if you never get that sorry or you never
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  Speaker 2: get that reason that they did it, are you really forgiving?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. First of all, to say, and then they do
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  Speaker 1: it again, and they do it again, and they do
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  Speaker 1: it again. I think Christ knows the nature of people,
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  Speaker 1: which is why he says, forgive them 70 times seven.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, whoa, because they was asking how many times
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  Speaker 1: should we forgive? Essentially, he was saying just eternally forgive
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  Speaker 1: because I know how those offenses continue to happen. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you have to have a conversation to forgive.
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  Speaker 1: The point of forgiveness is releasing from your heart. It's
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  Speaker 1: your heart saying, you know what? I no longer hold
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  Speaker 1: you responsible for how I feel. The Bible says, let
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  Speaker 1: not your heart be troubled, Ty. So I'm responsible for
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  Speaker 1: the condition.
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  Speaker 6: Of my heart, not situations.
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  Speaker 1: So I take authority over my heart by forgiving and
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  Speaker 1: releasing it because I ain't walking around with that, even though, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you got that. There's another scripture in the Bible that
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  Speaker 1: says that we should reconcile what our brothers. Now, there's
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  Speaker 1: two things. There's reconciliation and then there's restoration. Right. Let's
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  Speaker 1: say there's three things.
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  Speaker 6: There's forgiveness, reconciliation, restoration. Restoration is we.
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  Speaker 1: We converse and we get the relationship back to where
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  Speaker 1: it was before the offense.
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  Speaker 6: We back besties again. We're back.
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  Speaker 1: We're restored. To reconcile means to come to terms or
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  Speaker 1: to come to an agreement. So the Bible says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you bring a gift to the altar and you
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  Speaker 1: remember your brother has an art against you, Leave your
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  Speaker 1: gift at the altar. Go reconcile with your brother. Reconcile
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  Speaker 1: means we come to agreement. I agree that that offense
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  Speaker 1: was too tough for me to continue how we were.
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  Speaker 6: No more Thanksgiving. No more bowling. We ain't cool like
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  Speaker 6: that no more. But it's all love.
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  Speaker 1: We lose each other's numbers or however far you go
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  Speaker 1: with the agreement. That's called reconciliation. It ain't like how
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  Speaker 1: it was, but we have reconciled. We have come to terms. Restoration,
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  Speaker 1: we back. Forgiveness, you might not get the reconciliation part.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about. Somebody shoots your cousin. When
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  Speaker 1: you said that, I was like, whoa, that's way worse
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  Speaker 1: than a rumor.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he always going like that.
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  Speaker 4: He always going there.
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  Speaker 5: All the time.
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  Speaker 3: But no, but you hear it all the time. You
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  Speaker 3: hear somebody kill somebody, and then you see the family,
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: and they be like, I forgive them, right? Yeah.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: And I always wonder, how can you forgive somebody when
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: you don't know the reason or the meaning why, or
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: if they didn't apologize for it? It's just like, you
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: shot somebody, all right, we forgive you. I don't know
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: if I can do it like that.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: Tell me why. Tell me I'm sorry. Tell me it
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: was a mistake. Yeah, I understand that. Give me that conversation.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Give me that justice. Not justice in jail.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: No, I got your justice.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Give me that conversation justice before I can actually forgive you.
• 13:26
  Speaker 7: But that's something that you'll probably never get. And that's
• 13:28
  Speaker 7: okay for you not to get that. You forgive for
• 13:31
  Speaker 7: yourself so you don't harbor the hate.
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: You know, you don't.
• 13:36
  Speaker 7: Turn into a different type of person because you're holding
• 13:38
  Speaker 7: on with that person dead. You know, because they probably
• 13:41
  Speaker 7: in a jail cell sleeping peacefully. There's nothing wrong with
• 13:44
  Speaker 7: their mental.
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: They don't care. You know what I mean?
• 13:45
  Speaker 7: But that doesn't mean that that's supposed to depict the
• 13:48
  Speaker 7: rest of your life. So that's why forgiveness is for
• 13:50
  Speaker 7: you and not the other person.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: Amen.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: And we're not saying it's easy. This is like a
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: challenging thing to do. You understand what I'm saying? So
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: to not get that information and still have to bypass
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: that and say, you know what? I still forgive you.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: I release it. How about saying I release it instead
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: of I forgive you?
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: That's better.
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: That's better.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Essentially, it's the different side of the same. I'm not
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: trying to change the scriptures.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to let it go.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Forgiveness is I still look at you the same way,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: but I still look at you as a sucker, but
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: I release the feeling of what happened.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:22
  Speaker 6: If some people are like that, you know what I mean?
• 14:24
  Speaker 6: What are you going to do?
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Are you going to hold yourself, you know what I mean,
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: until there are no more suckers in the world? Like,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? If they're who they are,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: you have to be who you are. You understand what
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 14:34
  Speaker 6: And not let them arrest you to another version of yourself.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: And what if you never get a conversation?
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my point. If you never get a conversation,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to have to learn how to move on regardless.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: And that's everybody, and I think that's so hard. And
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: that's why the Bible says that justice is a part
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: of our Christian stance, not just in politics, but in
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: things like this, in family. We know stuff that was
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: done wrong to other family members, and we don't go
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: to the uncle and be like, yo, that wasn't right.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: So that child doesn't get just, you know what I'm saying?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: The way we live justly is through these confrontations and
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: conversations like that to say, hey, that was not cool.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Can we at least acknowledge that together? And then that will,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: like you said, that will even soothe the person like,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: thank you. The situation didn't change, but I appreciate the acknowledgement.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: And I think it goes back to, you know, you
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: always hear in the Bible, an eye for an eye.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Two for two, right?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: That's what you hear. So that makes you think of vengeful, like, oh,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: you did this to me?
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: I'm going to do that.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Why can't I do that back to you? Right.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, there's a side to that that
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: feels great that you're like, oh, I got it off.
• 15:36
  Speaker 6: But then there's another.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Scripture that says, vengeance is mine, says the Lord. I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: will repay. So me forgiving and taking it on the
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: chin or turning the other cheek. as the Bible says,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: or if someone takes your coat, give them your cloak
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: also or something like that. You give God the opportunity
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: to respond. So that's the just shall live by faith.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: That's us living by faith. Like, all right, God, I'm
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: going to tuck it because you said you got it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: That's trust as well. So that's another level of trusting
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: in God. You know what I mean?
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: Faith and trust in God involves these moments.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: When we're like, okay, okay.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean? You said you got it.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: I'm going to put it in your hands.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: And also people should remember Gandhi. Gandhi said an eye
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: for an eye makes the whole world blind.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's good. That's a good statement. I don't know
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of Gandhi statements, but that was powerful.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you, you have an album coming
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: out this Friday.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: V20.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: V20.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: V20, y'all.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: 20 years, man. Thank y'all.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: 20 years, bro.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it, y'all.
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And I've seen them.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Why you make me feel old? Old Testament, baby. That's
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the Old Testament there.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: 20 years.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Jess.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Jess.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, what are your thoughts when
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you hear hip-hop artists and rappers hop on gospel music?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: We've seen that they tore Kirk Franklin up when he
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: had Glorilla and Kelly Bellingham Cushington on the remix.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on it?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I think Kirk Franklin has been Kirk Franklin since he's
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: been Kirk Franklin.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: So I don't know why people are surprised at Kirk Franklin.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Take it outside of Kirk.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Take it outside of Kirk Franklin. I haven't done it
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: simply because of who the representation of what I'm trying
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: to present. So people could say like, hey, anybody could,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, like we were saying about the young man
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: at the college. Let everything that has bread praise the Lord.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I personally don't have a personal gripe against that. But again,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: when you're trying to keep this ground sacred and holy
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: and you're trying to keep other grounds other, I think
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: that's where people want the lines to be drawn. Like, hey,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: this space is supposed to be sacred for people who
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: are about this all the time. So if Glorilla doesn't
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: make gospel music, you know, in her career, some may
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: feel like she doesn't have the right to have this opportunity.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: I do feel like Kirk.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Knows a whole lot of people.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: And I love GLOW and they.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Already did something. So maybe that was the key. He
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: did something on her album. Maybe it was a trade-off thing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I know how the industry works. Maybe it's like you
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: do mine, I do yours. So I understand that. But
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I do think.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: Kirk is at a place where he has the opportunity
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: to put a lot of people on.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And he did not have to go to GLOW real around.
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: And I ain't hating on GLOW.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: However, he could have put a lot of other people.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: On that spot. The song is already hot. The song
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: is already what it is. He has the opportunity and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: he's in that place to do that. I don't believe
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: he's in the place where he still has to make
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: certain moves to stay in a certain space like you him.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But also, Kirk, I mean, he can look at it
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: like I'm opening up for people that might not listen
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to gospel music to give them an earful.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: But when you think about it, that record is playing
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: on urban radio now. It's playing on stations that usual
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: gospel music wouldn't be playing. I mean, you hear that
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: record in the clubs.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And it's opening up to people that might not be
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: listening to gospel music. And what Glorilla's saying is positive.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: She's not saying.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: No shake your ass and all that. She's talking gospel.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: She's talking positivity and prayer. Want it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Want it. I feel like stuff like that has been
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: happening for so long. Or Happy Day was playing in
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: probably clubs back in the day. And the Clark Sisters,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you brought the sunshine. Andre Crouch Stomp was in the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: clubs back in the day. I'm not saying these things
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: don't make people go to church.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But I don't think we have to go through those
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: measures to, to try to, to try to win. So,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: so Christ was in the world. Christ walked the streets.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: He wasn't in church all the time, but he never
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: did the things the world did to try to win
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the world. You understand what I'm saying? Though I'm in
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: those spaces, I'm not doing what you do to try
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: to try to win you. So I feel like, uh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: that method could get a little murky. Like let's get
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in there and let's, let's show them that it could
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: get a little murky. Cause I don't feel like we,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: when I say we, believers, I don't think we have
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to do that. We just chill, let our light shine.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: People are drawn to the light period. Stay in your lane,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: do what you do.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Kirk is Kirk alone.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Is that a mediator between like the streets and the, and, and,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and in the church, he's been that. So I don't
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: think he feels like, I don't think he has to
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: feel like, let me do this to get the ears
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of people who don't, you know, hear gospel. And I
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: also think the world is very vast right now. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: think growing up when I was growing up, I'm 50
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: years old, bro. Growing up. That was a real Kevin Hart.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: But no, I'm saying like.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: That's really good.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Jess. Thank you, Jess.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I did not know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: I would have never guessed that he was 50.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The blessing yes you're 48 you're on the way you're looking.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: Good look like thank you 1976 yes january 26th that's
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: a good damn god damn yeah god.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Damn whoa what was i saying you 50 so growing
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: up my community was my community and i only knew
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the people in my community we all kind of thought
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the same the next little town over you kind of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: got a little expansive thoughts but Generally, everybody thought the same.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Today, everything is everything. Everything is everywhere. I don't think
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: there are.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: People who are not exposed to gospel music. I don't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: think there are people who are not exposed to God,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to Christ. I don't think there are people who are
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not exposed. I don't think if they don't accept it
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: or if they don't accept it as part of their
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: lifestyle is one thing. But I don't think we have
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to go through extra measures to get the gospel out
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to people who may not hear. Because I don't know
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: who's not hearing it. Christmas comes every year. You got
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to hear about Jesus, whether you reject them or accept them.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: You got to hear what's this Christmas story. Santa's going
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to go through there, but you're going to hear about Jesus.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's many people who have not or
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: who is out of reach from the gospel. Plus, I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: believe God can reach anybody. There's a scripture that says, like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: when you pray, don't be like the Pharisees all out
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: there praying. Go in the closet, close the door and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: pray in secret. And the father who is in secret.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: will hear you and he that hears you in secret
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: will reward you openly. I love that secret because I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: talk about the secret place a lot. Like there's a
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: secret place in everything God created that he can communicate with.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Not everyone, there's a secret place in the water that
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: God can say, hey, stand up on both sides so
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the children of Israel can come through. God can communicate
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: with everything he created.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: He can speak to a well, say, open your mouth.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I got a disobedient prophet coming through.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: He could speak to the flies and say, infest this
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: part of Egypt.
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: He could speak to the fig tree. The Bible says
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: he answered the fig tree. He could speak to.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Two of each kind of animal and say, meet that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: man on that boat. Christ, God can speak to everything
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: he created, even June bug. And so nobody is out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: of reach from God. They have a secret place that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: he's communicating with them every day. Whether we turn his
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: voice up in here and obey it or not is
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: on us. But it doesn't mean he's not. communicating he
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: says he's drawing he's drawing everybody daily we ignore it
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: so good we're so familiar with ignoring it we don't
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: even know if that's him anymore that's us but that's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: not him so i don't think we have to go
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: through those extra measures to to draw people that god
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: has already drawn i think you.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Do really yeah and i think i think kurt is
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: doing god's work and you know you look at a
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: scripture like mark 16 20 and in mark 16 20
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: they say uh the disciples went out and preached everywhere. True.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: So I don't have a problem with Kirk Franklin going
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: wherever he needs to go as long as he's Kirk
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: Franklin when he walks in those rooms. It's not like
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: he's getting on fuck nigga free.
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, want it, want it, want it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: He's bringing Glo into his world. I understand that. And Glo,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: her name is actually Hallelujah. Yeah, Gloria Hallelujah. She comes
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: from a family. I think her daddy's a pastor or
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: something like that. So she believes in God and I
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: don't see the problem with God's word being spread everywhere.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me either.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying as a method. Again, that's Kirk.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: He took it outside of Kirk. But that's Kirk. We
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: kind of should expect that from Kirk at this point.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But as a method for people who spread the gospel,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: whether you're a pastor or an artist, I don't think
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we have to go there. I personally don't think we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have to go. Isn't that what God tells you to do, though?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Go by the leading of the Spirit. Otherwise,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: people would be in strip clubs, and they would be like, hey,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: God told me to go.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Go to Magic City.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: But you might need to be in Magic City. If
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: the Spirit tells you to go in Magic City and
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: preach God's Word, you got to let.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: The Spirit lead you. Yeah, amen. I don't mess with
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the Spirit of God. He told somebody to marry a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: prostitute in the Bible. So I don't mess with his
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: word to individuals. But he didn't tell five people or
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: 80 people or 100 people to do the same thing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: It was one person.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a blueprint for all artists
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: or presenters of the gospel.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying. Is it here, there, according to
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: the word of the Lord?
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And you better do what he tell you to do.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? You're great to do it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You're gifted to do it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: And he will know that that world won't swallow you up.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: However, I don't think that should be everyone's motto going
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: into it. That's all I'm saying.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: They can say that to you when you step outside
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of gospel radio stations.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: They can say, you're going to that hip-hop station.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Where- They said it the last time I was here.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: They're going to be talking about this, and then next hour,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: they're going to be playing whatever on the radio.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And that's 100.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But like he said, you're touching people that necessarily need
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to be touching.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Meet people where they are.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That's right. So to me, and let's just stay on Kirk,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: because that's my dude, and Glo is my girl. To me,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Kirk being on Glo's album is that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that song, too.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: The rest of the album is whoa, whoa, whoa. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: don't even know, so I'm not judging it. But Kirk
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is on there bringing that light.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: Yes. To me, that's me coming to the breakfast club.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: No shade.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I love y'all.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But me coming here where music is played, da-da-da-da-da.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: But you get some salt in there. You get some
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: light in there.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: When an album is already salt and light, I'm not
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: saying GLOW is not bringing light, but I'm saying to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: me that's inverted. You understand what I'm saying?
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: What if Kirk is using GLOW to bring that world
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: to his album? I think that's exactly what he's doing.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: So now they listen to the album, now they're getting
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: a whole other word.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what he's doing. And I think
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that's cool. I don't have a problem with that. But
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we don't have the metrics of that. We don't know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: how many people said, when I heard GLOW, I wanted
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to change my life around. We just assume that that's
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the method and that's what's happening. No shade to any
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of them. Y'all asking me these questions. But I don't
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: think it's automatic. Ooh, since he got her on there,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: all them people in the club, everybody that love her
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: about to get their life right.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that's true.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: I will tell you this, though.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: In the club, besides Revolution, this is the first time people, DJs,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: have been playing a gospel record in a club like
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: this and a strong hip-hop record.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Got you.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: And it's been rocking. And I think that's been intentional.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry to cut you, brother.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: No, you're good.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's intentional, even the sample that he used.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: You understand what I'm saying?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't know who it was.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: It wasn't Shorty Low. It was the original Shorty Low sample.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But people recognize it. They know it. So that was
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: intentional from Kirk. Like, let me get a certain demographic's ear.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So he got the other ones.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: He's got a song on there called I Got Time.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: He got a song with Karen Clark. So he got
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a song. His recipe is for certain people's ears. Like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this is for the church. This is for the streets.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's wrong for that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess my mindset is always like, Truly, what
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: would Jesus do?
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: And I feel like Jesus would meet people where they are.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: You think Jesus would have Glorilla on his song?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I'm just asking. I don't know if Jesus did music,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: but why not?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He sung.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: He sung. My thing is, why not? We say these
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: things like God works in mysterious ways. We say these
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: things like you never know what package God is going
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: to reach somebody in, but then when you see it
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: in a package you don't like, we become actually judgmental.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I don't like that. It feels like there's a religious
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: elitism sometimes.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: And spiritual segregation.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Before I get there, let me
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: get to where you were before that. Woo, that was good.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I think with the whole glow, you can praise God
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and do all that. I agree with all of the things.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to certain platforms now, so
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: now you have platforms where this is not just about, hey,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: let everybody praise the Lord. This is about, let's make
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: some moves. Let's get some, you know what I'm saying?
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Business of it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Business of it. That's what I'm saying. It's also been
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: this side.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: To me, having a conversation with GLOW, You know, having
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: several conversations with her, having a relationship with our families
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and growing in God and the ways of God and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: speaking of how we're going to maneuver and the times
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that are to come and the power outage and.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Is the Antichrist here?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Is that Noah's Ark? Those conversations and the lifestyle is
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: how I think Jesus will handle it, not Jesus put
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: her on a record. And no shade, I hate talking
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like this, but I think it's like Jesus.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Would have walked with her.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Walk. It's the walk, not just the business. Let's hit
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the stage. you know, and do our thing and be out.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Hopefully somebody gets saved. I'm not saying that's what they did,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but I think the more important... It's more than just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the record. Yeah, it's relationship and walking and discipleship and,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Think about Salt. Remember when Salt.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: And Saul became a devout Christian.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: I think she was. I think God was already working.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: We don't know what God is doing.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So let's say this. If God is working on somebody,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Oh, my Lord.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: I feel like God is working on whoever. Chance the Rapper.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Chance. I love you, bro. So when he comes
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to my church, we're going to have Chance preach today.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to preach today.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Come on, Chance.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Let me give him, because maybe if he preached today,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: he'll really turn his life to God. If I give
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: him the platform and give him the mic and let
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: him express his way, maybe he'll out.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I'll just give his testimony. That's another thing God wants
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: us to do. Yeah, and I preach it out.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: But what?
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: That testimony can be a word.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I get it, but I, okay now.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: That testimony can be a word.
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: Everybody can't stand up in that sanctuary and try to
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: live in a word.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: First of all, First of all, why? All right, so
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that might change Chance's life. If he could have a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: chance to testify at a... Testify, yeah, yeah. So now
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: we're making the church an idol again. If this can
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: happen in a church, then I can feel like I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: can get closer to God. Man, it ain't about no building.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Talk to me at the mall. Tell me your testimony
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: at the mall, Chance. Why does Chance need the chance
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to present on a church platform for his heart to
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: be like, you know what? I am going to try God.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm just talking. We don't know. I'm just playing
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: white devil's advocate.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: How do y'all deal?
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Imagine I'm sitting in the church and I'm hearing this
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: word and this word is moving me in a way
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: that I've never been moved. That Holy Spirit gets inside
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: of me so I decide to get on that stage
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: and give my testimony. Isn't that what's supposed to happen?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: No. Not like that, but.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: You know how many people feel like.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: That in church?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You know how many people feel like that?
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: So who do we allow up there?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Chance or choice? I mean, like, who else?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Is it Chauncey? Remember that lady that was like, I
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: ain't had no sex?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That's why everybody... That's exactly why we shouldn't let everybody
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I get what you're saying.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Chance or Chauncey.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: You understand? I don't think everybody's going to be moved
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: by that. I don't think we should give them the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: platform so that can culminate the feeling. If God is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: working on you, that's the point of you being here.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Now you go work out your own soul salvation, the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Bible says, and fear and trembling. If everything godly should
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: be done and expressed at a church, we're making the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: church an idol again.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I get what you're saying. Yeah. I don't remember the scripture,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: but it says God is not found in a man-made
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: temple or cannot be found in a man-made temple. Something
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Forgive me for not knowing it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Oh, really, Pastor Ty?
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. God is... He's not... God does not dwell
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: in temples made by man.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Spoken by the Apostle Paul. It was Acts 17, 24. Yeah.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Paul declares to the Athenian philosophers that the Areopagus, that
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: the creator of the world, the Lord of heaven and earth,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: cannot be contained in or served by man-made shrines because
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: he is the source of all life and breath.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: And I think we compartmentalize Him to church buildings because
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: that's when.
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: We really focus on Him. And we really, all right,
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: let me bring it in.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Let me praise Him. Let me worship Him. Let me pray.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: This is my time to acknowledge God whenever there's church
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: service times. But we're supposed to bless Him at all times.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: We're supposed to acknowledge Him in all of our ways.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: We're supposed to trust in the Lord with all our
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: heart and lean not to our own understanding, but in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: all our ways acknowledge Him. That's supposed to be a lifestyle,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: everyday thing, not a two-hour time twice a week. We
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: do that. We do that. So we say, all right,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I tapped in with God.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Now I'm going to do me, do me. Hope he
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: cover me. Hope he bless me. Tap in with God. Cool.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Do me. And that's the rhythm of life for a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the culture. And that's not the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: rhythm of relationship.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: So you're here for V20.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yes.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: No, it's okay.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Shut up.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, Jess.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Don't do that to Jess.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, Jess.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: They meet us, too.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Jess, go ahead. All right.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: So why was it important for you to revisit Victory?
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: First of all, I couldn't believe it was 20 years.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Like you said, when you saw me, when I said
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I was 50, I felt the same way. Like, it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: been 20 years.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: It's like time fly. You don't even realize until you
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: look up. Like, oh, wow.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to throw a show and just
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: have a concert. Let's just remember all of it. you know,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: what that album did. Victory was such an amazing album
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: for me. It launched my career.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: It changed the industry.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: People started dressing in school clothes and chucks and all
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff. And I had no idea it
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: would have that type of impact. So let's have a show.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Let's have a concert or worship night to just commemorate
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: that night. As I was planning for it, I was like, uh-oh.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I think people should take this home with them. Not
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: just a one-night thing. I just want to make it
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: an album. And I don't know anybody to remake a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: whole album. I know somebody remakes songs, but to remake
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a whole album is kind of crazy.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: What made you want to do that creatively?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I wanted people to experience how the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: songs you know and love has grown with me. Because
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the last time I did the songs wasn't 20 years ago.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I do it every tour, every show. In some way,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I do an arrangement of a song. I'm a musician,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: so I love the, ooh, let's put that, ooh, let's
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: put that in there.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Ooh, let's, I love.
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: And you get better with time, so you just probably
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: wanted to go back and, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Shush it up a little bit.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: So if y'all loved it then, you'll love the bearded,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the bearded victory. You know what I'm saying? It's a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: little more mature.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Your faith probably stronger, too.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Faith stronger, man. Trust stronger. Gifted is stronger. Family is
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: bigger now. Both my daughters is married, and they got kids.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: You're a grandfather. You're a grandpappy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Congrats. Oh, that's what's up.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I got two granddaughters. Somebody's not praying because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I got two girls and then they got two girls.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Where's the prayers at?
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Where's the prayers?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Where's the prayers? Sean got what? Four girls?
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Four beautiful girls.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Do you want a boy or are you good?
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: No, me and my wife done.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Y'all done?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we done. Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I got four girls, two boys though.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: So you got that, you got the balance of life.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: The girls still run it, but you know.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they still run it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And you're going to be good when you get older.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Them girls going to take care of you, boy. I'm
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: telling you, boys don't cook. Them girls don't cook. But yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: so 20 years later, man, I'm just so hyped to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: hear that for everybody who loved it then to hear
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: it again. And they're going to re-love it again. I'm
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: telling you, the arrangements, the energy, whatever you felt back then,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: times 10.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: The nostalgia, the energy, the anointing, the spirit.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: The musicality, I was excited to go back to the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: musicality as well because my music has grown in my
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: career to loops. You know, we going to be on.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: It's be loops and stuff like that. But I like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: musical arrangements and changes and all the things. So all
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the musicians, y'all going to love, love, love, love this album.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You're going to hope your praise team do one of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the songs so you could do some of the arrangements.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: I went back to having fun.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: And I love how you also are bringing in Ablaze.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: Ablaze.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Ablaze.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I saw them on TikTok.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just love that you're embracing the younger generation.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: And what did you see in them?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: They was on TikTok mocking the Victory album.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: They had the school clothes on and doing all that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, whoa. So I wanted to include them
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: instead of going back and getting mocked. The group that
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Originally before, they done grown, got kids, da-da-da-da-da-da.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: So let me go get this group. They could bring
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: that youthful energy I need. They could bring all of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the swag. And they already have the uniforms.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Budget!
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Come on now. The budget is in half. They already
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: got the uniforms.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Y'all are hired.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: So they came and they brought everything. For some of them,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I just gave them the songs and they came up
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: with their little things. Some of them we worked together.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: It just felt good to get back with these kids
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: half my age.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Trying to catch their breath in my rehearsals. Nah, y'all
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: did good. Y'all did good. But it's amazing. And like
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you said, I wanted to pour and give another opportunity
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: to the next generation. You know what I'm saying?
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And the songs mean more to you now too, right?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Like I see your new version of I Want It
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: All Back.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: It's more personal to you now because you lost your
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: uncle and a choir member. So when you say you
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: want it all back, what exactly are you asking God
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: to restore?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In Acts 27, I believe, Paul was shipwrecked and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: he said, all hope that we should be saved was
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: taken away.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: I'm like, taken away?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So if I go through a storm, who's taking my hope?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: That can't be God. That can't be the point of
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the storm. So I started realizing, man, when I go
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: through tests and trials and things like that and stuff
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: shake my world, there's stuff that's.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: Taken from me. I call it soul essentials.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: There are soul essentials that I need that I feel
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like the enemy gets in my storm and takes my hope,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: takes my peace, takes my joy, takes my creativity, tries
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to take And I'm like, nah, that's the stuff I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: want back. Not just a house, car, money, and all
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the things, but my soul essentials. I want to be
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: able to have my trust, my peace, my faith, my joy,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the things that life can revolve around. I need that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: So that's the stuff I'm aggressively taking back. And All
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Back is that song where it's like, it's aggressive. The
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: kingdom suffered violence, but the violent take it by force.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: This is not the passive season, y'all. This is the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: aggressive season to take back what belongs to you.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: That's what that song says. How do you reconcile believing...
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: God can do anything, right? But then also accepting that
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: some people and some things ain't not coming back.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Man, that's a great, great question. I guess I continue
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to hope in God. If it's a desire in my life, Lord,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I just believe you can change it. I believe you
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: can do it. But understanding that, you know what I mean?
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I got a tat right here that says I'm not
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: my own. Understanding that life is not your own and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you've been bought with a price. So ultimately, the end
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: result is up to the one who your life belongs to.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And that's a big humbling thing for all of humanity
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to come in and say, hey, your life is not
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: your own. What?
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: I built my career.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I built my family. I fought for this relationship. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: fought for this peace of mind that I had. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: went to therapy. We've earned the right to own ourselves,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: so we think. But then God disappoints us with what
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: we don't want to make us realize the things you're
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: talking about. Like, man, he's really running all this. So
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to hope in God and to pray that the things
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you desire come to pass, but still having a duality
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to understand that it may not happen at this time
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't want it to and being humble enough
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to be like, he's king, it's cool.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: That's beautiful, man. That's why I scribe to live righteously,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: because when things don't go your way, whatever that looks like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: you know it's because... of God, right? Because a lot
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: of it is us. I caused that.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I know exactly what the hell I was doing.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: But if you're moving the way you're supposed to be moving,
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: you know whatever you receive or whatever you don't receive,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: it's all what God wants you to have.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, man.
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  Speaker 6: And all things work together for good.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We have our timing, but
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  Speaker 1: the Bible says God's ways are not our ways and
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  Speaker 1: his thoughts are not our thoughts. And it's one thing
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  Speaker 1: to be like, Yeah, his thoughts are different than ours
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  Speaker 1: because people over in Asia think different and people in
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  Speaker 1: Dubai think different. It's different cultures. So you're right. God's
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  Speaker 1: ways is different. The Bible didn't say his ways is different.
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  Speaker 1: It says it's higher. That's a difference.
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  Speaker 6: His ways are higher than ours. His thoughts are higher
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  Speaker 6: than ours.
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  Speaker 1: So whatever view we got, it's not the aerial view
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  Speaker 1: that he has for our lives. We see what can
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  Speaker 1: affect us now and make us happy now. He sees,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's outside of time. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: He saw us when he made Adam. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? So the way he moves is higher than us.
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  Speaker 1: This is my last question.
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  Speaker 4: The album's called Victory, right? Yeah. You think about the
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  Speaker 4: last 20 years, you've experienced it all, like success and failure, love, loss, everything.
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  Speaker 4: Has your definition of victory changed?
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  Speaker 1: No. No. No. My definition of victory has not changed.
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  Speaker 1: It has always been like, despite whatever is happening, my
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  Speaker 1: definition of victory is the resurrection, right? When that tomb
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  Speaker 1: was rolled away and Christ walked out of that grave,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, what's my situation to a God like that?
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  Speaker 1: What is what I'm going through? What is this tie
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  Speaker 1: that got you all up at night, and this man.
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  Speaker 6: Walked out of the grave.
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  Speaker 1: What is this disappointment? Like, you got to weigh that
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  Speaker 1: after a while. So victory to me is that Christ
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  Speaker 1: rose from the grave. Victory to me is no longer
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  Speaker 1: a Grammy, no longer a check, no longer an opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: It is Christ rose from the grave. So whatever you
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  Speaker 1: are facing right now, brother, trust me. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 6: You served the right one.
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  Speaker 1: And now victory sounds like hope because the situation you
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  Speaker 1: could be in right now, you're hearing victory, it does
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  Speaker 1: not match, nor do I see or feel that result coming.
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  Speaker 1: But let victory even be a hope mark for you. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I hope that it happens. I hope
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  Speaker 1: that it turns around that way. I hope that because if.
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  Speaker 6: He did it before, oh, I feel another song that
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  Speaker 6: I did.
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  Speaker 1: If he did it before, he can do it again.
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  Speaker 1: So let victory be your hope in this season, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: If you can't sense it or you can't feel it
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  Speaker 1: or if you feel like all hope is lost, when
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  Speaker 1: you hear these songs on V20, let it remind you
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  Speaker 1: that you serve the God who can turn any situation around.
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  Speaker 1: If he could bring Lazarus out of the grave, If
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  Speaker 1: he could bring Jesus back from the grave, what is
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  Speaker 1: your situation to him? From a virus to the government
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  Speaker 1: to rumors of wars, we are surrounded, we are protected,
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  Speaker 1: and we are covered by the blood of our King Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: Amen.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the first, this is just the first semester.
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  Speaker 7: You have the second semester expected in 2027.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, but this is the first semester dropping Friday. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Second one is next year. The second one will have
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  Speaker 1: more of the songs you know and love from the first.
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  Speaker 6: One, plus five brand new songs.
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  Speaker 1: Brand new, spanking new joints that I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: bang on this show as well. Nice.
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  Speaker 3: Want to close out with a prayer?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Father, we just
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  Speaker 1: thank you in all things. We give thanks. We don't
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  Speaker 1: understand it all, but we thank you for it all.
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  Speaker 1: I pray in the name of Jesus that you continue
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  Speaker 1: to walk with us, that a relationship.
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  Speaker 6: With you is a commitment to a journey with you.
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  Speaker 1: We are all in different spaces and places on our
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  Speaker 1: journey and in our walk with you. But I pray
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  Speaker 1: that as patient as you are with us, that we
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  Speaker 1: be patient with ourselves and with others in the name
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus. I pray, God, that you continue to cleanse
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  Speaker 1: our hearts, purify our hearts and our minds, that our
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  Speaker 1: motives and our intents be righteous in the name of Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Let us rid ourselves of ourselves daily, empty ourselves daily.
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  Speaker 6: Of ourselves daily because this heart.
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  Speaker 1: Is desperately wicked and I don't want to keep trusting
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 6: I want to trust in the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: So Father, bless us.
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  Speaker 6: Help us to walk in your ways.
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  Speaker 1: Bless Envy. Bless Jess. Bless Charlemagne. Bless the Breakfast Club. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: bless the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 6: It's all to your glory.
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  Speaker 1: Continue to let your light shine even in dark places
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  Speaker 1: that people will see the light and walk therein. The
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  Speaker 1: earth is the Lord's.
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  Speaker 6: The fullness thereof, the whole world, and they that dwell therein.
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  Speaker 1: We all belong to you.
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  Speaker 6: May we act like it more, may we believe it more,
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  Speaker 6: and may we walk.
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  Speaker 4: In it more.
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  Speaker 1: In Jesus' precious name we pray. Amen.
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  Speaker 4: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Thank y'all.
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  Speaker 6: Thank y'all.
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  Speaker 5: None of them blessings because that's Rashawn and Leonard. He
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  Speaker 5: didn't name him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. That's Leonard and Rashawn. You're right.
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  Speaker 4: Don't forget Lauren. That's why her hair won't grow because
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  Speaker 4: of people like you. Oh my God. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't put her in the prayer.
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  Speaker 1: I got to get y'all real names.
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  Speaker 4: You're right.
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  Speaker 5: She's not in the picture.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she's not in the picture.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: It's Todd Trippett.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Love y'all.