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NFL CHAOS! Harrison Jr. to Texans, Lamar Injury Watch & Coaching Blunders · Banter with the Boys

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laced up. Let's go! It's time for Banter with
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the Boys. Welcome back to Banter with the Boys.
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This is Gridiron Updates tent talk episode. Not
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ready, man. Did it pop out of socket? No. Get
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that guy in the blue tent. We're back. Roberto.
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That's what we talk about. We gotta add you to
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the injury list. I'm always available. Always
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available. That's Roberto, of course. Next to
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him, we got our guest, Denver Bronco fan, Nathan
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in the house. What's up? There's a wave for you.
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Non -YouTube. Orange Crush. Is that his nickname?
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Orange Crush. Don't tempt me with nicknames.
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I might make them stick. Okay, Flock Doc. No,
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not me. That's Flock Doc. What's up, Flock Doc?
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We're ready to talk some tent. That's right.
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Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Information. Good call. That's
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right. Good call. We don't have to do it if it's
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not the full word. That's right. That's right.
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Kev behind the camera, get everything done for
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us as always. Thanks, Kev. Anyway, let's get
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right into some injuries. Nathan, how this works.
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I don't know. I kind of just go down the list.
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And if there's anything that jumps out at anybody,
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just kind of, you know, sprinkle something in
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there. You know what I mean? Yeah. First on the
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list here, Debo Samuel, hamstring. He might miss
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a few weeks already in a depleted receiver room
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just on this season. So no good there. Jennings
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back from the Vikes trade. Sorry. Well, they
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lost Ricky Purcell, too. Wow. Yeah. That's all
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right. They got Mike Evans being a stutter. Yeah,
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that's interesting. You're saying you think.
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The Vikings goes over there. Yeah, Vikings. They
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were talking about it. Because he's very frustrated
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right now. Yeah, and apparently he was annoyed
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with K .O. Cedar in the game or something. Well,
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the question that people kept asking me, and
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maybe Rob can help with this, was why did they
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activate our healthy scratch Odell Beckham? Well,
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they didn't know if Jefferson was going to play.
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But also, then somebody else can't take him off
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of the practice squad, right? No, Practice Scott's
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wide open. Right, but he's saying once you activate
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him, then healthy scratch him, but then nobody
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can take him because he's activated. I don't
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think anyone's knocking on the door that hard
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for him. Right, but it also shows, hey, I want
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to use you eventually. So that might, I don't
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know, it just ties in. He's all go together.
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Exactly, but I mean, just on tape, though, I
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don't think Jennings has been playing bad. I
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think just Kyler's just been, all his misses
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are when Jennings is open. That's where I think
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Jennings is frustrated at. He's putting in the
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work. You could see definitely last game he did
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check out towards the end on the run blocking
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a little bit. I think Paul Churchill had a little
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comment on a video of it. But I think he's just
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frustrated not seeing the ball. You don't get
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paid that much money. But you're thinking. Possibility.
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You never know. Not with OBJ like Nathan was
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saying that now we have some depth still. Right,
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and they worked out Juju Smith -Schuster apparently
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the other day, too. Yeah, haven't heard that
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name before. But you know what? Might as well
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bring Tyreek in for a workout. That's all I'm
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saying. Might as well. Might as well. See where
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that – his leg's still there and where it's at.
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Anyway, Javon Hargrave, he's done for the year
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with another injury. Man, the Packers just continue
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to get decimated defensively. So it's just like
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– Pam Cooper. Just don't even rush Micah Parsons
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back at this point. Now, I will say, I mean,
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big win for them this past weekend. Huge, huge,
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huge win. I feel like the game would have been
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slightly different with a Caleb Williams in the
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game. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, that's a big win
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for them and kind of at least gives them some
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confidence, puts them back into that NFC North
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conversation because, no offense, knock on wood
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here. Hey, the Vikes could still absolutely go
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back the other direction. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm
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just saying. Another wild comment. So in 2002,
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I was a cheerleader security guard, and we were
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6 -0, and I'd have to sit underneath, 6 -0, 6
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-0. Guess what happened after that? They were
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0 -6. So, hey, it could absolutely go back the
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other way. So the Packers, again, getting a division
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win against arguably the team that I would imagine
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would. be the most likely to challenge the Vikings
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at this point and the Bears. So it's like, okay.
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So, I don't know. Another huge loss for that
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Packers defense. Trevion Henderson, high ankle
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sprain. Another running back room that's, you
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know, a little banged up. We'll talk about Philadelphia's
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running back room here coming up. Actually, we'll
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just talk about it now since I brought it up.
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Will Shipley, you know, he goes down. But Saquon
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could be back this week. If he's not, I mean,
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the Eagles aren't. They're in trouble offensively
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right now, and that run game just doesn't exist
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at all without Saquon in the game. Plus, that
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O -line is absolutely... Frankenstein together
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at this point. So I, man, trade and just, and
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he didn't play this week, right? But it's going
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to play next week. Yeah. He's expected. Yeah.
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He was talking about it. Yeah. He was in concussion
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protocol this week, but he's likely, if he clears
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is likely going to be starting at center and
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then we're going to get Venga back over guard
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while we're here with the flock doc. Oh, Lamar
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Jackson. What is it? Oh, yeah, I was going to
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bring this up earlier. He's playing. Yeah, Vegas
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says he's playing. Yeah, I already got him in
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my fantasy lineup. I'm holding off right now
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because he still has an out -designator, so I
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have him on my IR spot. Well, tomorrow's the
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day, right? So if he plays tomorrow, I mean,
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practice. Yeah. Well, even if he doesn't practice,
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if he practices on Friday, he's going to go.
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They'll probably just ease him in through things
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and do walk -throughs. I mean, my sources say
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that he... Could have played last week if he
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needed him. He was that close. Yeah. Sources.
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Sources. Sources. Yeah. Lamar's going to play
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this week. Sources. Against the Browns? Division
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game? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Right on. Yeah. Right.
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Right. Which we'll talk about that game actually
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coming up in our week six preview and picks episodes.
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Don't forget to check that out, by the way, after
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our, usually it's released after 10 talk. Oh.
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Oh. Oh. Oh. And you set it up. I know. Because
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I wasn't going to say it. I know. Like, my brain
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had to say it. I don't know. We'll talk about
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it afterwards. All right. Yeah. If I show up
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to week six Preview and Picks episode with a
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black eye, you know who it came from. Flock Doc.
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Yeah, the Flock Doc. Flock off. Anyway, all right.
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Where was I? Here. Oh, okay. T .J. Hawkinson,
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he entered concussion protocol. You know, so
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Kyler Murray's safety blanket, no good. We need
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him. But Bartholomew stepped up. Not we. The
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Vikings need him. What's, Ben, your check? There
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it is. Yeah, sure. The other tight end. So we'll
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see. David Montgomery, he went down with a groin
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injury and could miss a couple weeks. That's
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bad news for the Texans. That's really bad news
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because their bad running game just got worse.
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Right. Correct. He only had week one, though.
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Yeah, he did look pretty bad the last couple
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weeks. Correct. But that's another identity thing.
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They're a defensive team. They need to run the
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ball. For sure. So that's why they traded for
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a receiver this week. Wait, that was in the news?
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Yeah. It's coming in the news. We'll talk about
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that. That was weird. Lions linebacker Devin
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White, he went down with a broken forearm. That
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will require surgery. Lions also just lost a
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tight end with some sort of knee injury too.
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I forgot who that was. Relevant. If it was same
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Laporta, it would be right. It wasn't Laporta.
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It wasn't Laporta. Some guy in the practice squad.
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No, it was like a number two guy. Pretty sure.
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He's a blocking guy. It's debatable. I know.
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We don't know yet. I clearly know. Okay, we talked
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to Flock Doc about Lamar Jackson. Yep. Okay,
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Hanex Jr., I mean, his ribs, we clearly saw a
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difference in that offense when Tua came in to
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try to save the day. I mean, for three plays.
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We got to give it to a little bit of grace. For
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sure, coming in cold sitting the entire game.
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You know what I mean? And again, we gave Kyle
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Hamilton his flowers in the last episode. Is
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it his front side ribs or backside? I feel like
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it's backside. Yeah, he got blindsided. Yeah.
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Clean hit. Yeah, clean hit. He just got absolutely
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destroyed. Great blocking by the tight end and
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Bijan, actually. But it does. He was the one
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that caused it. He actually took out the blocker.
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But it does feel like the way he was playing,
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like Atlanta needs to have him in there. He was
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playing well, well enough to win that game. Yeah,
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you saw his expression at the end of the game
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with the towel on his head. Yeah. He just didn't
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even want to say a word. No, no. Nobody was,
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too. Nobody went over and talked to him at all.
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Oh, God. Anyway, apparently Caleb Williams is
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close. He could return this week. And if it's
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not this week, then it should absolutely be next
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week. So Caleb Williams is very close. That's
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bad news for the NFC North. Okay. some news we'll
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talk about Marvin Harrison right away traded
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to the Texans but we didn't really know that
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right off the bat it was just reported that I
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don't know if I've seen that before where it's
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been reported like hey he's traded but nobody
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effing knows where and like for me if Schefter
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doesn't come out and say where he's traded to
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then I guess it just hasn't happened yet yeah
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some intern you know there was some strategy
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maybe they're trying to find a mole Well, I mean,
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there's got to be one out there. Scapegoat. But
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there's that. He gets to reunite with C .J. Stroud.
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Does that spark anything for you guys? Or it's
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like, wow, wait and see. I mean, you saw the
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preseason stuff. He looked really bad. He needs
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his confidence back. And that might change the
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scenery. The quarterback he's familiar with,
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maybe he can spark something. But that's such
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a different offensive. I mean, obviously it's
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a different offensive scheme from Arizona to
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Texas. But, again, defensive team, their identity
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is running the football. And then C .J. Stroud
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should be making, like, big plays. to like keep
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drives alive or try to put points on the board
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and then continue to just run the football. And
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that's not where Marvin Harrison Jr. excels at.
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Like he needs to run a lot of routes. He needs
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to see a lot of balls thrown his way in order
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to be successful. And that's just not what that
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offense is. Well, maybe if he's not the number
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one, right? So he goes over there and they put
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him in the slot. They put him on the backside.
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He's not the focus. Sure. Maybe. Yeah. Because
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I mean, that was a lot of pressure, your dad.
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And then you also. You went through a couple
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of different offensive coordinators and head
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coaches. And he's a big body receiver, too, so
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it's like that second option. Should be a red
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zone throw. Yeah, you should be doing that. Texans
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always did that West Coast offense boot stuff.
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Just get out the ball to him. Give me a seven
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-yard something. You just need one catch. One
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catch to turn the vibe. That's all it takes.
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Just like you. Just one catch. One catch. Oh,
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my God. Right on. All right. Former Vikings.
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assistant head coach, Matt Patin, hired in Dallas
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as a senior defensive assistant. As it seems,
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Jerry Jones is a little concerned maybe about
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his young defensive coordinator play caller,
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but he's going to change it. I think he could.
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I think he could. That's weird. I don't know.
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It's weird that this was such big news to me.
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But I just feel like it was worth mentioning
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because we could see a change there, to be honest.
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I don't know. It's a step in the wrong direction
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for the defensive coordinator. He's probably
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going to lose his job at the end of the year.
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Ravens went through something similar a couple
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of years ago with Zach Orr when he took over
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as defensive coordinator, and things just weren't
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working out. So they brought in the old defensive
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coordinator just to be like, hey, you're going
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to just be a consultant. Hopefully help him figure
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it out, but it's probably too late at this point.
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Yep, writing's on the wall. Help me move into
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your office. Here's a box. All right, let's talk
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about some of these coaching blunders here. I
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want to save the commanders for last because
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that's interesting. Just real quick, I mean,
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we already kind of touched on the Seattle thing
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a little bit with McDonald. Internet's viewing
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it as a coaching blunder. We're all kind of like,
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well, it's... We agree with what he said, kind
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of came out and said it. I was just being aggressive.
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You're running back. You got to hold on to the
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ball. It is what it is, you know. It just sucks
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that the momentum has truly changed so far in
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one direction. You want to talk about Nick, don't
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you? What? Nick's coming up. Nick's coming up.
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And then the Chargers failed fourth and one.
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You said you would have went for it, you know,
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being up in that situation. Yeah, I don't listen.
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Yeah, I don't necessarily mind it. That one is
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one that you could just go either way on. Just
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like, well, if they get it, then he looks like
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a genius. If he punts and the defense holds,
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you're like, yep, smart play rather than going
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for it. It's like the hindsight thing. It's the
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analytics thing where we get too deep in the
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analytics, but then the analytics are usually
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right. So it's a lose -lose no matter what you
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do. Right on, right on. Yes, let's talk about
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the Knicks thing, the Eagles game. Is that the
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Nick thing you're talking about? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. So, I mean, do you want to bring it in?
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Just kick it out of the end zone, obviously.
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The problem's solved there in that scenario.
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Well, to me, I thought it was funny because just
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the other week, you had almost the exact opposite
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thing with Dallas and Baltimore. And Baltimore
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had a timeout, and then you decide to kick it
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out of the end zone. That's the difference, though,
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is the timeout. But if you think, I think. I
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actually don't mind the decision to kick it because
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their punt coverage team failed is really what
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it boils down to. Because if they were successful
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and... held like held him to like even even the
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30 you still would have milked off like four
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or five seconds like i understand the logic of
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caught like making him return take time off the
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clock and then that it was just that punk coverage
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just absolutely atrocious i don't kick off coverage
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yeah the kickoff coverage i don't mind the decision
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i thought it was fine I'm kicking out the back
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of the end zone. That's it. Just with no timeout.
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I think that's the difference between the two.
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I mean, trust your players. Sometimes as a coach,
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you want to know if they've been playing well.
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But I guess then that leads into the next one
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as the Washington Commanders game. Oh, my God.
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If you want to go there and set that up there.
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How do you feel? It's actually not even started
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at the end of it. It's the Washington losing
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the ball. fumbling and then the Giants getting
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the ball back in field goal range. Scataboo trying
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to get another yard set up the kicker from the
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right angle wherever you want punch out Washington
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getting the ball back going down 45 seconds.
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We'll say running clock. Yeah, go from there
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coach. What are you doing there in that scenario
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moving with a purpose okay i mean after every
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single play there was no sense of urgency in
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the in the slightest from my quarterback i mean
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that'd be the that'd be where i'm the most frustrated
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actually for me in the headset you're telling
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them no timeouts this is what we're doing this
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is this is the hash mark we want to go on the
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last conversation you have with them is we're
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running this play and then this play and then
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we'll find out you know what i mean and go from
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there and that's where you have hand signals
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or whatever you're doing the quick quick stuff,
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but they have headsets, so you just tell them.
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I mean, I don't understand that. And then the
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exact last play, I mean... What was the call
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there? Like, was it a throw it out of bounds?
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I don't know. I think it was supposed to be a
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throw it out of bounds. Be like, hey, if there's
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a quick out that's there, hit it. If not, it
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should just be dirt it, right? That's probably
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what the intention was. But then I think Jaden
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Daniels was trying to make a big play. Do you
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think he knew he had a timeout? No. He's going
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for that Hail Mary again. Yeah. But there's still
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at least enough. I felt like there could have
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been enough time to at least try to clock it
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with a second or two. Well, didn't they have
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a clock management like a week before, too? Yes.
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Yeah. Someone on the radio was like, he should
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have got fired then. Yeah. Because it was like,
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so the play before. It wasn't even cold, please.
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Yeah. For one. Yeah. Yeah. So the clock, the
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clock is running at that point. But with 40 some
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seconds left. Yeah. So you've got time. A minute
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left. You've got time for like. two or three
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plays. Or just kick the field goal. It's overtime.
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The clock doesn't matter. If you kick the field
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goal, the game's over. That 35 seconds doesn't
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matter. I don't know what we're doing, people.
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I'm just an idiot down talking about football
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in the basement. I think I figured that out.
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It just felt like a lack of planning for that
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game situation. Almost nobody knew. What to do
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in that situation? Like, I don't know. And a
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lack of, to your point, also a lack of urgency
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because it didn't seem like Jaden Daniels knew
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that he needed to get his butt off the ground.
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He laid there like he was on vacation. That's
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what I mean. I just, that, that's what had me
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frustrated. His elbow hurt. Hey, it probably
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does. It probably does. The pills wore off. He's
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got to take more. The end of the game. What else
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do we got here? Do we want to touch into the
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Cooper Cup catch? Yeah, do your first down there.
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Like everyone's kind of been, this is one of
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the big debates so far on the internet this week.
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It was like, did he get the first down or not?
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When's the ball officially out? And I think if
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we pull up the first photo, Kevin, so this is
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the best angle. So the rule in the NFL book is
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when the full ball is outside the white line
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is officially when it's dead, right? Full ball.
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Full ball. So right here in this picture, would
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we all somewhat agree that the ball looks like
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it's fully out? Yeah, because the edge of the
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ball right there by his thumb. If you notice,
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look at Cooper Cupp's back or his left hand.
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Looks like it's on the ball right now. Left hand's
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on the ball. Alright, so let's remember that
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left hand on the back of the ball. If we move
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it to the replay now here, slow it down here.
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At what point do you say that the ball is...
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Get the wheel out. All right, where's that backhand
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touch that ball if we pause it? Out of bounds.
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Right there. All right, so that's where in that
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picture we said there was out of bounds from
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that angle. All right, if we go back to the beginning
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of this bit, so on that side angle, and pause
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it right about, all right. Now, a little back
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if we can get it. Now, see when his hand touches
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the ball? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if we took that
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picture in relation to the photo. where we've
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all decided that was officially out of bounds
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when his back of his hand is on it. If we look
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at the video, that looks like it's way past first
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down. Yeah, correct. I thought it was a first
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down in real life while watching the game. So
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that's my view of it. I don't know if anyone
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else sees anything different on that aspect of
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it. So that's how I guess, if I'm going to relate
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it to the rules with that good angle of the photo
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and determining where it's out of bounds. How
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do we get more camera angles? I don't know. How
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does the NFL get more camera angles? Why do you
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keep bringing up the left hand? What's the deal
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with the left hand? We'll just give you a reference
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from the video. So if you can go, all right,
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where is Cooper Cup's left hand? The ball is
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definitely out of bounds. So that would be the
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out of bounds part, right about there. So you're
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saying, okay, and the ball is completely over
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the line. It looks like it's out of bounds right
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there. So your argument is the ball is like half
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out of bounds as it's crossing the first down.
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So if you look right now, his hand is on the
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back of the ball. and that reference. That's
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got to be pretty close to being the first down
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versus super short. I guess that's my view of
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how I view that call for the internet. Talk some
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crap to me if you think different. I thought
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he had it. I think you presented a pretty good
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argument. When's the meeting with the shield?
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Right on. We've got to get these refs going here.
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That's on you. That's a whole different conversation.
21:49
You don't have it on here, but the game last
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night with that amazing kicker. Oh, yeah. He
21:57
got released today. Meevis? No, not Meevis. Meevis.
22:05
Dang it, butthead. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, what a
22:12
game that was last night, too, in general. Josh
22:15
Allen, I feel like, is usually on the losing
22:17
end of some of those. Yeah, usually. What did
22:20
I say in the chat last night? I feel like I said,
22:22
like, but Josh Allen can usually win these games
22:26
in the regular season, but you should. Yeah,
22:28
you were saying that he should lose these now
22:31
so that way he wins them in the postseason. Right,
22:34
because usually he wins these games. It was some
22:37
haiku that we were trying to figure out. I don't
22:41
know. I don't know. It was good to see Josh Allen
22:43
for him get one of these. But, again, it's just
22:48
we know where he can take the bills. We've seen
22:51
it so many times. So we already know. We won't
22:53
even beat the dead horse. We know what he's got
22:55
to do. He's got to get to the Super Bowl. Anyway,
22:58
but I did put in here, too. I don't know if there's
23:00
going to be any sort of punishment for this at
23:03
all. But Rams offensive tackle, Aleric Jackson,
23:08
punched Bradley Chubb. Kind of like at the center
23:12
field. I'm sure there's going to be. Did you
23:15
see it? No, I didn't see that. But I think something's
23:18
going to happen because Dre Greenlaw got suspended
23:20
for a game for headbutting. Yeah, that's right.
23:23
Which was wild to see. Yeah. I like it. Headbutting
23:29
people? No. Before we end the tent talk episode,
23:34
the same three teams remain undefeated. Chiefs
23:38
coming off of bye. So according to... Doc Flock
23:41
over here, they're going to win this week, no
23:44
problem. I can't even remember who they play,
23:46
but it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's a W. It doesn't
23:48
matter who they play. Vikings are winning this
23:50
week, too. Yep. Vikings don't play this week.
23:52
That's the point. That's why it's a W. The Chiefs
23:55
are going to overuse Walker. He's going to get
23:57
hurt again. Are the Niners on by this week, too,
24:00
I feel like? No. Who do they play? Oh, they do
24:02
play. Who do they play? Oh, yeah, the Commanders,
24:06
duh. We talked about that in the recap episode.
24:11
So we all anticipate they win that game and stay
24:13
undefeated this week as well. So we'll see, I
24:17
guess. That's all I got. Is there any other injuries
24:20
or news that we missed on your thing here? No.
24:24
No, no good. What about you, Roberto? I probably
24:27
had a list a little bit ago. Just looking at
24:29
what we talked about. Samuels, Shipley, Penix,
24:33
Montgomery, Henderson. in junkins injury um sanders
24:39
too so uh picking up um jerry mclaughlin uh fantasy
24:45
impact right there available hawkins and we talked
24:48
about the injury to uh braylon cooks also another
24:52
guy just because debo's picked up so you might
24:55
see a couple of the his snaps caught up but uh
24:59
i think it was by week cincinnati detroit miami
25:02
minnesota Okay, right on. That's your fantasy
25:05
minute. Right on, right on. So Miami won't win
25:08
a game this week either. Right on. All right.
25:12
Well, with that, you got anything, any little
25:15
tidbits you want to throw out there? I guess
25:17
the only thing from injury, the Broncos play
25:19
on Thursday against Seattle, and Sertain is out
25:22
for two weeks, and Moss is still out for one
25:24
more game. So top two corners, JSN is going to
25:27
try to cook right away. 100 % it is. So that'll
25:30
be a tough game. Right on, right on. Well, we'll
25:33
get you. Don't forget to check out our preview
25:35
in week six preview and picks episode because
25:38
we'll get Nathan's take on that Broncos and Seattle
25:42
game. The deep dive. Before we close out that
25:44
episode. So don't forget to check that out if
25:46
you are curious. With that, thanks for being
25:50
here tonight in general, helping us out, Nathan.
25:52
Thank you. Really appreciate your input here.
25:55
Roberto right next to me. I already know. There
25:58
it is. Jake. Yo. Top of the evening to you, sir.
26:03
Kev, behind the camera. I don't know. I had to
26:06
do something to you. I like it. I like it. I
26:08
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26:21
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26:23
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26:30
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26:33
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26:36
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