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Weekend Recap, Scott Dochterman talks Big Ten & Hawkeye Football & Joe O'Donnell on the Wild · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right, good afternoon. Welcome, Miller and Condon
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Trent Condon and Kendall are for the next couple of hours talking
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Here's what's coming up on our guest list here today in about
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25 minutes. Our friend Scott Doctorman from
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Big 10 meetings in LA, so Doc will be covering those in a
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Doc as the one of his babies that he's been working on the
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Sounds as though Notre Dame and USC seemingly trying to jump
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But a lot of conversation on college football and on the Big
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10 with Scott Dockerman coming up at 12:25.
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Joe O'Donnell Game 4 tonight ABS up to one in their series.
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Our number 2 Matt Snyder and his spot talks MLB baseball with us.
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All right, fun weekend, fun weekend in sports.
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I do want to just real quick, I don't want to harp on it because
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every team gets bad calls, but when you go to replay, you'd
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expect it to be done properly, right?
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And what I'm referring to, Degron, was unbelievable
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yesterday. Tyon was just not made, not just
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as good, but he pitched really well.
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But Jacob Degron looked like, you know, the best pitcher in
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baseball. Again, it's a tight game.
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It's 00. There's a play at the plate.
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They gave the the home plate umpire ruled the baserunner
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safe. 1 Nothing. Ranger Council Gosium put the
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headphones on. Need to take a look at this one.
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The replay clearly shows the tag being administered at home
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plate. Everybody saw it.
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That was watching the game. Rangers fans saw it.
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Cubs fans saw it. Baseball saw it.
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The group that was monitoring in New York, they didn't see it.
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It's not a different way. Is there other?
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Way to see it. There's no other way to see it.
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There's nothing. Nothing.
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He's out. There is no way that you could
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say well Nope because of this. You can see one shot that makes
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it look close. You go to the you go to the
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play, the shot from kind of where the the dugout, he's
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clearly out. But if you're going to use
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replay, use it properly, get it right, and if it would have been
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the Rangers that got screwed out of it in the same way, just get
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it right anyways. I'm watching the player right
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now, OK? I see it in real time.
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All right. See.
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OK, maybe he slid underneath it. All right, here's Council.
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He's the ear signal. There it is.
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Slides. He is safe.
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Yeah. Keep going.
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Safe. Which which one are you looking?
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At I'm watching the replay from over top.
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Now he's up by a mile. You're the only one that's got
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him safe so far. Well, not you.
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You and the guys in New York. Oh yeah, now he's out.
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Yeah, now he's. Out.
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I've seen the slow download, yeah, he's out a little bit more
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behind the play. He's up by a foot.
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The over top it looks like he's safe, absolutely, but they show
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they do have other angles. Though you would think, and
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maybe they got busy at the time, but regardless, it's one game.
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It's 1 of $1.62. It was a hell of a baseball game
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yesterday. Let's talk about the NBA because
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that's the story that's kind of reverberating here today.
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I don't know how you can make a case for women, Yana, that he
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got screwed. I mean, I really don't.
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That's as egregious, as egregious as you know what?
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Your height is an advantage in the game.
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Don't use that as a disadvantage.
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I had no other choice. I'm a tall person.
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You got him right in the chops. Nas Reed, I mean, he got him.
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Trent, there's going to be no further discipline.
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He's going to play tomorrow night.
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I think that's a great, I think it's a great move.
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Are you surprised by that though?
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Kind of, yes, But you know what? It kind of goes back on if this
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would have been late in the game.
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OK, maybe it was early, it was early in the game, but should
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that matter? Well.
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I don't think it should if it is something that is.
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There's a guy who's room for the Timberwolves.
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I'm on your side. That is deemed necessary to
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eject him. It doesn't matter if it's in the
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first quarter or the fourth quarter, ejectable and then you
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go back and look at it. I'm glad that they made the
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decision quickly. You did not want something that
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was going to linger throughout all today and into tomorrow.
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And will he won't. Yeah, He had to make the
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decision quickly, but there's prior precedent and we've seen
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this in. Playoffs there have been.
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Where guys throw elbows very similar.
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Run our test. Now run.
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Our test had. You can background.
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A few extra. Layers.
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Yeah, he's got a rap sheet. Yes, when Benyana, this is
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strike one. Yes.
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He's never been ejected before in a game.
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This is not something that happens often with him, but it's
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pretty egregious. Yeah.
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And and I think they're now setting precedent another way.
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Is this star treatment? Yes, I I don't think there's any
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doubt if this was even anybody. Stefan Castle.
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Yeah, he's Castle, right? I I think that he's probably not
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in there and the T wolves needed wouldn't be not out of.
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There, they had to win the basketball game.
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You're not winning. No, you're not.
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They had to win it last night and when he went out, the
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pathway cleared a little bit. But look, give the Spurs credit.
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They fought tooth and nail in that game.
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They did. That was a good basketball game.
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Now, I don't think the T Wolves are going to ultimately prevail
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in this series. The point spread was 9 1/2 prior
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to the announcement. Did you do you let me look and
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see if it did it move it all knowing that he is going to play
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or was that already baked in? So I saw it at 10 1/2 last
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night. It's 10 1/2.
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Yeah, the only It's 10 at the Super book.
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It's 10 1/2 everywhere. So it was 10 1/2 the.
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Opening. So it was already baked in that
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he's probably not going to miss any time.
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Yeah. Because that thing dwindles to
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what, 7 1/2 if he's not in there?
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Yeah, I would think. Probably in that range.
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I do wonder if there was a few people that were jumping on
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board maybe when you saw the 9 1/2 number not knowing at that
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time if there was going to happen.
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Let's just grab this 10 1/2 just in case he's out of there and
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have that in your back pocket going into it still with one
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banana if they're different team and them at home, but.
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The ability to go take the ball to the basket, yes.
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I mean, he's not standing in your way.
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The toughness though, this T Wolves team, they're just,
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they're junkyard dogs. I like them.
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This is a tough, tough group. That physicality and then the
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fourth quarter for me, when he put the team on his back,
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unbelievable until the final minute again, they can't get the
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ball in, I know, and then they have to Chuck it all the way the
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other end of the floor. The craziest part about that, I
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don't think was the deflection off of Desumu's leg and bounced
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right back up into him so he could catch the ball.
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How they allowed the Spurs to allow that pass to get there.
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What are you doing defensively? I I understand you think they're
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going to try to throw it towards the half court line.
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They have to get it over half court because it was going to be
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an 8 second violation still to make that pass a that's a scary
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pass by McDaniels. That's full marks.
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You're going into the corner there and if that thing is
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turned over, they get it on the plus side of the court and it
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just it was falling apart very quickly there.
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But even before that and assume we're just getting absolutely
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mugged. What did he finish?
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Maybe I sound like a a fan a little bit.
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Get him to the free throw line though.
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And that's why he kept taking the inbound is because he's the
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best free throw. Shooter 3 for three yesterday.
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Didn't shoot enough of them, but he made everyone they made of
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the shot rather. That was kind of a crazy thing
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too, is seeing they put up the numbers, the graphic, just how
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few free throws he takes. I think for a guy that handles
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the ball because yeah, and he. Takes it to the.
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He takes it to the basket. He's not a Spotify.
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No, he's not a guy. This isn't.
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He can, but Devin Ballwinkle for the Hawkeyes that never had a 2
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pointer for a full season, That's not what we're talking
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about here. It's wild.
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Yeah, this guy puts his head down and actually gets in there.
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Just that was the thing that because what like 38 to 41 or
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something like that is what? Big number I.
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Was like, that's it. That's all he's taken here
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recently. But when he takes him, he makes.
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Him. Yes, he does.
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And they got the right guy. They got the victory back to
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Game 5. Can the team will still win it?
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I just don't have that feeling. I don't.
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Think, I don't think it goes seven games.
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I think they lose the next two. The next two I do.
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They're a different team. When Weymignon is such a weapon,
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Such a weapon, how about the Knicks?
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By the way, oh boy. Are they going to give whoever
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comes out of the West? And I still think it's OK CI do
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because of Holmgren. Oh.
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Yeah, I mean, it's all of them. It is will they give.
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If it is Nick's Thunder, will there be any drama?
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We did forget that and I don't think anybody thought that was
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going no. No, no, no.
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Outside of Halliburton fans or Pacer fans, there was a very
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small percentage of people that actually believed that that was
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going to happen. The Knicks are just cruising.
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I mean, look back in their two losses.
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They're one point affairs against the Hawks.
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That's it. They're bludgeoning teams.
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So they beat Detroit or Cleveland?
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I think so. I do too.
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I think Detroit maybe gives them more problems and Detroit
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obviously have homecourt advantage that go along with
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them, but they are just absolutely murdering people and
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the domination, you know, we're waiting for that gentleman's
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affair, one of these two games in Philly.
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No, no shot. Just no shot at all.
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And what did they hit the first quarter?
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Were they 9 of 11 from three in the first quarter?
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I don't. Know I don't remember.
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It was something ridiculous like that.
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It's game over at that point. I mean, you look up and all of a
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sudden it's a 20 point game after the first quarter.
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There's no slowing down for this Knicks team.
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I hope so. So do you give the Lakers a
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chance tonight, then back back to that theory about winning
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one? No, I think they're going to get
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clubbed. I think it's over.
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I think they see the writing on the wall on top of it.
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This is the. Only reason that and let me pour
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that. Yeah, yeah, let me pour that,
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OK. The only reason I think the
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Lakers will win and I'm and I'm, you know, I'm, I'm going on down
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the road here. Is LeBron really going to play
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the final game in his career on prime if this is truly.
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It for him. Right.
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You're going to end up on a streaming service, not on NBC or
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not on ESPN. You're going to go out on a.com.
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I don't know. We that that would be the only
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reason that I'd be at least tempted to take OKC tonight.
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Tempted to take OKC because I don't think Lebron's going to
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lose on prime. So you, you mean take the
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Lakers, take the Lakers. Yeah, yeah.
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Take the Lakers, because it's not going to end.
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It's just not going to end. I hope so.
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I like watching LeBron. He's.
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How old now? 41 and his birthday.
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I think he's a Christmas baby. Or maybe I'm thinking I I don't
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know who I'm thinking of. Possibly.
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But but he'll be 42 obviously next year.
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That's what happens, you know, 4142.
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A good call. December 30th, Thursday.
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I thought he was. And no, I take the Lakers.
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Taking the. Lakers and I I'm not the points.
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What's what's what's the money line price?
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Oh, you're going to get a good one, right?
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Yeah, I'll take a peek. Here.
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All right, let's get Thunder Joe in here.
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All right, here's your hat back. Thank you.
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Hello, Joe, How are you? Can you zip it buddy?
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You're not buying this for a second, huh, Thunder Joe?
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No, no, because the only way the Lakers will ever win this a game
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in this series is they've got to figure out a way to not get
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their asses blown out in the third.
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And they have no answer for guys like McCain, Caruso and Wallace.
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You can double you can you can double Shay all the time you
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want, but it opens up them guys. And you talk about Chet Hogan.
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Keep in mind this Thunder team is doing this without Jalen
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Williams. Yeah, no, they're, they're good.
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They're gifted to, you know what?
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I love watching. I'm getting into SGA more now.
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The histrionics, the filing, etcetera.
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He's such a good player and I think his reputation maybe
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prevents people from kind of embracing the way he plays the
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game. He's just, he's so.
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Gifted and he will sign every autograph.
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I like him leaves leaves the stadium because he would be he
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would growing up in Canada, he would try to go to games in
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Toronto to watch Kobe and he always made it a point to always
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Shay's always made it a point to play every Rd. game possible
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because he goes there might be kids there to see me.
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He went to see Kobe play and Kobe actually stopped that game
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that he would see Kobe clay. So he's vowed to never do it.
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But real quick. I want to weigh in on it Wendy
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real fast what Wendy did. Now I'm not saying the T wolves
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will win, but I'm going to give you hope, Trent.
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Wendy put the Spurs in a must win because I you keep you want
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you had a chance to go up at home 3 to 1.
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Now it's 22 T Wolves are not playing with house money.
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Yeah, yeah. Fairpoint Joe, thanks for the
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call, man. Appreciate it.
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Good luck to your team. Next game.
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I want to see the Lakers win a game.
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Let's let's get the gentleman one, Yes, I mean give them 1A
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gentleman. Sweep and what is the what is
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the money line price did you find?
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It I did so you can get right now you can get it on DraftKings
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A + 390. You can get it at Caesar's plus
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4:30. You can get it at bed GM plus
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450. Keep going, you.
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Can get it at Circa plus 470. Where are you shopping for your
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prices? You know, trying to think it'll
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be circa, yes, absolutely. Like I don't know but I'm just
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trying to. You're willing to send to
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existence. Yes.
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I I did watch a more a little more hockey than I this weekend.
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Well, watch pretty much all of the Wild and the land.
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Yep, on Saturday night, got back for my brother's birthday party
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and my parents are. You're watching hockey, huh?
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We're flipping back and forth between that and the Lakers.
15:13
But yeah, the Wild looked like a different team.
15:17
They did. They did.
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Yep, give them credit. It was so surprising after
15:21
seeing those first two games and you mentioned the speed
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component, kind of that's what I was watching for Minnesota.
15:27
It wasn't just that they looked to be the faster team.
15:30
Well, Quinn Hughes was unbelievable.
15:32
Colorado couldn't do anything. No, there were from the second,
15:35
third period on. How many real opportunities did
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they have? And when they were there, the
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Wall of Saint Paul. How does that happen?
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Is it a confidence that you got to must be here?
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It must be and and he said he said so in his post game that
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that he knew he had to be better.
15:52
His confidence was good. I'm paraphrasing, but and he
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needs it again tonight. Look, they you got to get you've
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got to get out of town with this series Tutu to have any chance.
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And I still think Colorado, I hate to admit it because I I
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picked the Wild. I think Colorado's the better
16:11
hockey team. I do.
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I'll tell you one team that's really caught my attention in
16:14
this playoff run, the Montreal Canadiens, man, they are
16:18
unbelievable. And I'm so glad that some of the
16:20
national media is starting. McAfee just did a big, big piece
16:23
on it is an experience like none other seeing a hockey game up
16:28
there. It's an absolute religion and
16:31
they do it so well and they're so passionate.
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I don't. I don't have 1 ticket on them.
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You don't. I don't have a single nickel on
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them. So that's a scary.
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Win, yeah. If they win, I'm out.
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If Anaheim wins, I'm out. Anyways, we'll see where it
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goes, but I still think it's the ABS.
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But a big, big spot tonight. Joe O'Donnell coming up at 12:45
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to pre game preview rather game #4 Scott Dockerman coming up on
16:56
the other side will get inside his survey at the The Athletic.
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We will do that. How about baseball from over the
17:03
weekend? Speaking to The Athletic in
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baseball. Did you see her Twins guy?
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I did Aaron Gleeman who used to have on from time to time and
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and finally he told me he just doesn't like doing.
17:12
Radio. Is that what it is?
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Yeah, he'll go into K fan and actually like, do them in
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person, but it's just he's a different guy.
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Yeah, I always enjoyed his writing.
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I listen to his podcast every week with him and the geek and
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Gleeman and the geek is the name of it.
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So that's my. And it's all on the twins.
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Yes, yeah, they just talk about the twins.
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But he is a guy that just wants to write about the twins.
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And the athletics said we don't want to need anybody anymore.
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Well, they still have Dan Hayes, and instead of having two guys,
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they wanted him to become a Wild.
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Have two guys. Right.
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And wonder how much longer that's going to be.
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Well, it is the state of hockey, not the state of baseball.
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That's right. I do wonder with The Athletic
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because Scott Doctorman, who's going to join us, went from the
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Hawkeye guy to a Big 10 and FL draft and everything else that
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he does. So there's a lot more is the
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athletic. I don't want to say they're in
18:03
trouble. I don't think that's well.
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They're blocked by the New York Times, so I think they should be
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OK. I don't know that though.
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Right, Yeah, the finances, New York Times and they might look
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at it as lost leader, I don't know.
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But well, don't. Now I don't read the Times.
18:17
I wish it was Rides with My Door like every newspaper.
18:19
I would read it, but it doesn't. None of them do.
18:23
But now that isn't the sports section.
18:25
All the athletic at the at the I.
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Believe they still do have. Writers.
18:29
Do they? Yes, that New York Times still
18:31
has sports. Writers.
18:32
I believe so. They just taught you some of the
18:34
features or something. Is that part of it?
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Yes, because every time I log into The Athletic, I get a
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commercial for New York Times, right?
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Yeah. Because that's who owns now The
18:42
Athletic. But what made The Athletic great
18:44
for me is I could find articles on the Bears, the Hawkeyes and
18:49
when that and the twins and when that starts to dwindle.
18:51
Going further, how difficult is it to breathe about the Winnipeg
18:54
Jets, right, Yeah, and I get that.
18:55
And you get that, right? But what if that goes away?
18:59
Yeah. And you start to go away from
19:02
the team aspect that I think for a lot of us athletic subscribers
19:06
got us in there. In the 1st place because that's
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how they started. Yes, absolutely.
19:10
And that's that's the excitement behind it.
19:12
And though I'm not a Cubs fan, I read a ton of Cubs articles and
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and the different teams that we follow a little bit more, not a
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little more broadly than we do kind of the the nuts and bolts
19:23
of Iowa and Iowa State stuff. You had that opportunity and
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with that possibly going away, I don't know, it just different
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Dockerman in here from the Athletic.
20:31
Want to recap the survey that Big 10 fans responded to Little
20:35
other news. But Doc, I just good to talk to
20:37
you. Thank you as always for doing
20:38
this for our audience. Next week, I know you're going
20:41
to be out in LA. Big 10 meetings are will be
20:44
going underway. Just kind of looking ahead, Doc,
20:47
do you anticipate these? Will there be anything?
20:50
I don't want to say earth shattering come of it, but what
20:52
do you think might be what are the bigger stories, if any, to
20:56
come out of these meetings next week?
20:59
I think when it comes to the Big 10, it's going to be, you know
21:02
what, what are they thinking about the expanded playoffs and,
21:08
and not just Tony Petiti and, and the staff, but also the
21:13
football coaches and 80s, you know, what's kind of their
21:15
charge? What are they, what are they
21:18
pointing towards? I think that's right now kind of
21:20
at the forefront. I mean, we're a week away.
21:23
The ACC meetings are going on now later in the month.
21:26
You've got the the Big 12 and the, and the FCC.
21:30
And so my guess is playoff is, is #1 as far as the topic goes.
21:35
But, you know, sometimes things like this, you go in with
21:39
thinking one thing. And, you know, I'll never forget
21:42
when I was into Kansas City in 2010 that, you know, in the
21:46
middle of the meetings was when the PAC 16 almost came about.
21:50
And that changed the whole dynamic of late spring meetings.
21:54
So I, I don't anticipate that happening this year, but I do
21:58
think, you know, you got to be guarded for something you don't
22:02
really expect. You have been busy at the
22:05
Athletic curating and going through.
22:07
How many responses did you get for your article asking fans of
22:11
Big 10 schools a bunch of different questions?
22:13
How many responses in this article you've been working
22:15
through? There's about 3600 and they're
22:20
from every school and and then there were some that weren't a
22:24
fan of a school in the Big 10 also had comments.
22:28
So it was it was interesting that that was the main reason
22:31
why I split it up into two stories.
22:33
One kind of a big 10 fans. I, I suppose that, you know,
22:38
that they, their thoughts on the league and then two was their
22:41
thoughts on their individual schools.
22:43
And we had poles and, and, and also, you know, they shared
22:48
their thoughts. And I thought it was, you know,
22:50
one of the better responses I've received as far as these kind of
22:54
polls, because I think everybody was pretty honest in the way
22:57
they felt about not only the league but but their teams.
23:01
And they're fairly self aware, which you never get on social.
23:04
Media isn't that the truth? You know, a couple of things,
23:07
Doc, that that I was surprised at a, the fact that the College
23:12
Football Playoff, the number that the majority want by clear
23:15
majority was 16 coming in second was 12.
23:19
But the 24 teams just did not move the needle.
23:22
And then they on the the other one that kind of surprised me
23:24
was the big 10 championship game.
23:28
It doesn't sound like that is a is something that the fans are
23:32
really into. And I was surprised by both of
23:34
those Doc. Yeah, I was a little, I was more
23:38
so, you know, the the championship game, it's
23:42
interesting with the Big 10 because of the major
23:45
conferences, it's it's still the newest.
23:48
It only came about in 2011 and and all those years between East
23:53
and West that just never really never really caught on because
23:57
the the West was always the junior partner and and there
24:00
were some good games. You know, we have, we've seen
24:03
some really good games over the last three or four or five
24:05
years. It was really, you know, there's
24:07
really discrepancy between among the teams.
24:11
So I think, you know, it didn't quite catch on as much.
24:14
And so, yeah, I was a little surprised that, you know, 8,
24:17
more than 80% seem to be OK with eliminating the, the, the
24:21
championship game. I mean, half of them were in
24:23
case if everybody else did, they'd be fine with it.
24:25
And then 31% were just like, sure, get rid of it.
24:29
And then, you know, the playoffs.
24:31
And then this to me is more of a kind of a problem that Tony
24:35
Petiti has, which is conveying his voice and and being able to
24:39
speak out because I think if he was to come out and he's going
24:43
to talk next week, allegedly. So we'll, we'll keep our eyes on
24:46
that. But but for him to, you know, if
24:51
he was able to sell it publicly, I think people would embrace it
24:55
more. But right now they're left with
24:58
that's too many. We went from 4:00 to 12:00.
25:00
We're going to probably go to 16.
25:02
But man, 24 just sounds like too many.
25:04
If he was able to come out and explain what that meant, I think
25:08
he'd be, you know, the, there would be more people, not
25:10
everybody, but more people would be OK with it.
25:13
But until he does that and allows everybody else to kind of
25:16
do it too, I think that's, you know, right now, that's why
25:19
you're seeing such a low percentage of people buying into
25:22
the 2014 playoff. One thing that jumped out and
25:25
hearing and talking with you throughout the years is the
25:28
question, how confident are you in Big 10 leadership, which I
25:32
think was a little bit more positive than I thought it was
25:34
going to be. I've been in lockstep with a lot
25:37
of the things that you have said in the past, Doc, about Tony
25:39
Batiti, not really at the forefront of things.
25:42
He is not APR guy. He certainly not like Greg
25:44
Sankey and the way that he is very visible with the SEC.
25:47
Your thoughts on the response that you got in just your
25:50
thoughts overall and Petiti and what he has done as a
25:52
commissioner of the Big 10? Yeah, you're seeing kind of a,
25:56
you know it 2. Two things do not add up here. 1
26:00
is the fans seem to be behind the Big 10 leadership and I
26:04
think that's more to their schools or the league's overall
26:09
success on the field or in the court or whatever, which is why
26:14
that people on a scale of 1 to 5, five being the best that you
26:18
know who you had, you know more almost 80% had anywhere from A3
26:24
to A5. And and I think again, that most
26:27
people like their athletic directors on campus.
26:31
I think that was pretty evident and I think they like the
26:34
direction that the Big 10 is going in a competitive sense.
26:37
However, when it came to Tony Petiti, I went through obviously
26:42
every comment and it was, it took me a long time, but there
26:46
were 69 comments that mentioned either Petiti or the
26:50
commissioner. Only two were positive and five
26:54
were what I consider neutral. The rest were pretty negative
26:58
and they're universal from a lot of different spots.
27:01
I mean, Michigan and Ohio State were the most pointed.
27:05
Michigan State and Iowa were also there.
27:08
And, you know, there were a couple of there were some areas
27:12
where he has to make up some ground and of course, the
27:16
playoff is one of them. He has to explain his position
27:19
and do it in a better fashion than he has the outside
27:22
investment slash private equity. People are just not comfortable
27:26
with that. And he's got to make sure to,
27:28
you know, mention why this is important for the league.
27:33
And and then, you know, you also the the other thing that really
27:37
came about was the Michigan people hate him for how he, you
27:40
know, his suspension of Jim Harbaugh during the season when
27:43
they won the national title and everybody else hates him because
27:46
of Michigan. So he's doing some right.
27:51
Yeah, so everybody hates them because of Michigan one way or
27:54
the other. That's why that's kind of funny.
27:56
Yeah, they make a good talk show host gives it one bad fan base
28:00
hates you and the others feel the same way.
28:01
You're doing the right thing. A couple of things that stuck
28:03
out to me, Doc, when you mentioned that other article
28:06
more team centric. There's a few teams, the teams,
28:09
a few teams where fans have absolutely no hope that their
28:12
team is ever going to get through the the one team,
28:15
though, that jumped out that seemingly if this isn't a wake
28:19
up call for our friends in Madison, I don't know what it is
28:22
because Wisconsin to me was always like, you know, one of
28:25
that very next tier, right? They might be a cut below, but
28:29
this is a really good program. And, you know, every now and
28:33
then they're going to pop up, put a good team out on the field
28:35
and they can't contend. Well, their fan base doesn't
28:38
think so, Doc. And if you've lost the fan
28:39
bases, you know, 2, they I think not two in the survey was, you
28:43
know, 1/5 was yeah, it's going to happen.
28:45
We're going to win a championship in five years.
28:47
One obviously no shot. But the Wisconsin fans who's
28:51
generally piled on, we have no hope.
28:54
That should be a wake up call for the administration in my
28:56
opinion. They've got some issues in
28:59
Madison and it starts at the very, very top because they need
29:03
what, a president for the overseas, the entire system.
29:06
They need a chancellor on campus, they need an athletic
29:09
director and you've got a coach that, you know, had the the vote
29:15
of confidence at the end of last year by the old athletic
29:18
director who the only reason why, I mean, if if he was a
29:21
different AD, he probably would have fired him.
29:24
And, and so you've got all those issues that kind of compounded
29:27
there at Madison. They've, they've got a long way
29:31
to go. And, and the way and, and among
29:34
the comments, you know, and I only listed 3 per team, which
29:38
really, well, you know, meant there was a lot on the cutting
29:40
room floor. I mean, they were all pretty
29:42
universal that and it wasn't just like straight up negative,
29:46
like we suck. You know, it was, I mean, very
29:49
nuanced. And there was and I, I think
29:52
right now that they are, you know, there were a few that
29:55
still remain with Luke fickle, but by and large, they're,
29:59
they're just, they can't believe how fast they fall in.
30:03
For me to think about 5 or 6 years ago that this was still
30:06
considered one of the better programs in the country to now
30:09
being, you know, among the the worst teams in the Big 10 and
30:13
without much hope, that's quite a drop.
30:17
Yeah, quite damning. Yes, absolutely.
30:19
In a program we're just not used to.
30:21
Well, to go back to the 80s and they were awful back then before
30:23
Barry Alvarez got there. One comment that you had there
30:26
on the local front with Iowa and Tim, I thought said it well, for
30:30
a lot of people, I hear this all the time.
30:32
I'm sure you do as well. Doc Ference is a blessing and a
30:35
curse. You love the sustainability year
30:37
after year. You know you're going to be
30:38
competent, but looking for that next level.
30:40
Now, we've heard about next levels going back to Steve
30:42
Alford and they went to the next level.
30:44
It was just a level down from where they were previously.
30:47
He didn't mean it that. Way.
30:48
I don't think so at all. That was not what he was
30:50
shooting for. That's not what shooting for
30:52
either. When you go through the Iowa
30:54
responses, is that a sentiment that you heard a lot of?
30:58
Happy about the consistency but still wanting more.
31:02
There Iowa had mostly happiness, I think more so than I can
31:08
remember. And we know that we've seen this
31:11
over and over and over again. But I think the majority, almost
31:14
all of the fans, probably at least 75% of them were happy
31:19
with where Iowa is as a program because it's since NIL has been
31:24
infused into the program and and college football, it's navigated
31:30
it very well. It's had some success.
31:32
It's it's one and a minimum of eight games every year, you
31:35
know, if not 9 or 10. And since the NIL took place in
31:39
2021 and, you know, like the way Ference has been able to conduct
31:44
business, you know, I think there is that sentiment, though,
31:47
that it is somewhat of a double edged sword.
31:49
But by and large, I think Iowa fans were, I would say, feel
31:55
better about the program than they generally have.
31:57
And and that's that's saying something now.
32:00
You know, some people put them down for that, you know, that,
32:03
you know, hey, you're satisfied with mediocrity or what have
32:06
you. I don't, I don't, I would can
32:07
consider Iowa mediocre by any stretch.
32:09
I mean mediocre to me is in that, you know, you never have
32:13
more than eight wins a year. You know, when Iowa has gotten,
32:17
you know, a couple of division titles and last year they were
32:19
very, very close to being really good or having a good record.
32:22
They were a good team. So by and large, I think the
32:25
Iowa fans felt were much happier than say, Nebraska, Wisconsin
32:32
and you know, and and begin this that most people were very self
32:36
aware in this poll and Iowa fans were right there that they seem
32:41
to be, you know, pretty not complacent, but but excited for
32:44
what happens in Iowa City. Scott Dockerman from the
32:48
Athletic doc Great stuff. I'll get you out of here on
32:50
this. I just saw the University of
32:52
Iowa. The basketball Twitter account
32:53
just made it official. Ben McCollum has been extended
32:55
now. No surprise they've been working
32:57
on it for a while. Just your thoughts talk on
33:00
McCollum and his meteoric rise as far, you know, coming from
33:03
Drake. And we're not sure it's Drake
33:05
how they going to the popularity that he's attained when I guess
33:09
you take a team to the lead 8 comes with it, right?
33:11
But just Ben McCollum and how he's seen amongst Hawkeye fans,
33:15
if he were to do that poll, guessing pretty, pretty positive
33:17
and they'd be pretty happy in that poll as well.
33:21
You should be. I mean, you know, this is a
33:23
program that had kind of languished even in the regular
33:27
season for the last handful of years under Fran McCaffrey.
33:30
I mean, they maybe they got to the tournament a few years ago,
33:33
but they weren't going to do anything in it.
33:34
And they didn't. And he was able to to get Iowa
33:38
winning games in March, which is really the only thing that
33:41
matters when it comes to college basketball.
33:43
And he did it. And he did it in a way that I
33:46
think is probably better served for the University of Iowa.
33:49
I mean, Fran's offenses were very interesting to watch.
33:52
They were fun, but they were never going to win anything of
33:55
note because they couldn't well enough.
33:57
Well that that's the flip. And and you've seen that good
34:01
enough offense and you've seen very, very good defense, which
34:04
and I think the better more players he get that fit his
34:07
system. I think you see that.
34:08
But but I think it it speaks to an investment that Iowa wants to
34:12
make in its basketball program and sports in general, And it's
34:15
going to which is they've got a lot of riding on it.
34:18
They don't want to lose him. They want to keep him and and to
34:21
do that is to be at the forefront of it.
34:24
You know, he had a great season. You don't want another team to
34:27
to look at him. You don't want him to even kind
34:29
of a wandering eye. So they did that preemptively.
34:34
And I think it was a smart move in this case.
34:36
And you know, Ben McCollum, I, I dare say he knows the state much
34:41
better than his predecessor did and all of his time there.
34:44
And I, I think there's some good days ahead for Iowa basketball.
34:47
What that means, I don't know. But I think he's going to get
34:49
Guy on a lot of important games over his tenure.
34:53
Have fun in Lai know he'd be working, but we'll continue to
34:56
follow what you're doing out there and look forward to your
34:58
recapping, etcetera of the meetings next week in Los
35:01
Angeles. Doc, thanks for jumping on.
35:03
We sure appreciate it. We'll talk to you in a couple of
35:05
weeks if your schedule allows. Thank you, Scott Dockerman.
35:08
Thanks for having me, appreciate you.
35:09
Good to talk to you, Scott Dockerman from The Athletic.
35:11
What do you anticipate? I think it's playoff.
35:13
I think I think Doc's. Right.
35:14
Yeah, and figuring out what they want to do, they Petiti has been
35:19
pretty steadfast in the automatic bids.
35:21
Do the coaches want that? That's something that you're
35:23
going to have to change. Are you going to have to change
35:25
the way that the calendar looks and go back to what it was prior
35:29
to 25 years ago? Rivalry week is the week before
35:32
Thanksgiving. Then you have the weekend for
35:36
your matchups. It was that way for a long time,
35:39
no? I know, is that less football?
35:41
Nope. OK, that works then.
35:43
More, better football. OK, Yeah, I could see that
35:47
because, yeah, the final week would be pretty fun.
35:50
We'll talk hockey next on the other side.
35:51
Well, it's usually pretty fun, but it might take up another
35:54
notch. Joe O'Donnell, voice of the
35:56
Minnesota Wild, joins us next. Matt Snyder talks baseball to
35:59
kick off our number two Bill Seals on Iowa State, Miller and
36:02
Condon on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
36:04
Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
36:07
Final segment, the first hour of our program.
36:09
Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com, Major League Baseball writer
36:13
kicks off our number two Bill Seals on Iowa State.
36:16
To north we go. Let's head to the well, Saint
36:19
Paul, the Wild and the AV7-O clock puck drop tonight.
36:23
Joe O'Donnell, the radio voice of those Minnesota Wild, he
36:27
joins us. Joe 21 series on certainly had a
36:30
different feeling. I'm guessing walking out of
36:33
there fans may be a little nervous going into the game, but
36:37
they were in full throat very early and and off the Wild went
36:40
to a convincing win and it's 21 now in the series.
36:44
Much different field today, Kenny.
36:46
I can tell you that the Wild got to their game.
36:50
They did so rather quickly in game three on Saturday night and
36:54
it was much needed. I don't think they but they were
36:58
pretty honest about not playing their style very much in games
37:01
one and two in Denver and we saw the results.
37:05
You let Colorado have open ice and try to trade scoring chances
37:09
with them. It can be a long night.
37:10
So the Wild bended well in game three.
37:13
I thought they pressure it all up and down the ice.
37:15
I really thought everybody up and down the lineup had a good
37:18
game. They got some strong goal
37:19
setting, some timely goals on the power play.
37:21
And yeah, to your point, it was a rather complete win in the
37:24
first loss for the Avalanche and the playoffs now six and one
37:29
won't be easy tonight, but that's sort of the blueprint for
37:31
the Wild, and that's why they had such success in the opening
37:33
ground against Ellis Stars with that same brand of hockey.
37:36
Wellstead, obviously better, but it was the defense for me that
37:40
definitely changed and there just weren't a whole lot of
37:42
opportunities I thought for Colorado overall.
37:44
So when you go back to the goaltender after what happened
37:46
to game one, the benching in Game 2, is it a mindset?
37:50
Is it something they found? Maybe?
37:52
I don't know. Technically wise, I know nothing
37:54
about this sports. You got to help me out here.
37:56
How can Walstad look like that in game one and then this in
37:59
game 3? Yeah, it's the guys in front of
38:02
them. I think I saw that Colorado had
38:05
14 rush chances in game one against the Wild alone, and
38:10
that's like one of those, you know, I think it was Sport
38:13
Logic, one of the analytical sites in the entire series
38:16
against Dallas, the Wild rollout 25 right, So six games against
38:21
the stars, 25 rush chances against where the team has
38:24
possession over the blue line with numbers and you know, good
38:27
speed. Like I'm pretty sure that's how
38:29
they, you know, derive a rush chance and there were 14 that
38:33
they gave up in the first game against the avalanche.
38:34
You can't survive playing the ABS that way.
38:37
Everybody knows that. It just took Minnesota a bit to
38:39
get into this series and to get to that defensive game.
38:43
We saw it in Game 3 and it just starts with their puck pressure
38:46
up ice. Trent, like if the Wilder in on
38:48
the four check making the Avalan defends, spending time in the
38:52
offensive building. Colorado doesn't have the
38:54
ability to exit cleanly, get speed, hit those checkup plays,
38:57
those cut UPS when they cross over the blue line and find the
39:00
trailer. And then all of a sudden your
39:01
defense is scrambling and there's rebounds and that's the
39:04
game Colorado wants to play. They didn't get to it in game
39:07
three. Gives a wild credit.
39:08
They were physical. They skated well and Ball said
39:11
does what he does well, which is find shots through traffic and
39:14
settle things down. I want to bring up Vladimir
39:17
Tarasenko because I'm not saying I thought he was.
39:20
He's clearly on the downside of his career, but he's certainly
39:23
been much better in these playoffs.
39:24
I think Tarasenko has been maybe one of the unheralded members of
39:28
this kind of unsung members of this playoff run for Minnesota.
39:32
How about that? Yeah, I, I look, I knew he was
39:36
going to score at least one big goal in this playoffs, no matter
39:39
how long the Wild played with the first round or kept on
39:42
going. That's just his MO.
39:44
He's always done it. I think now he's like 51 career
39:47
Stanley Cup Playoff goals. He's been there, he's done that.
39:51
This is the fourth time he's playing against the Avalanche in
39:53
a playoff series. It just kind of shows you how
39:56
long he's been around, how many deep runs he's been a part of.
39:59
He's not going to while you with his speed at this point his
40:01
career, he's not going to be a play driver as sort of that
40:04
flashy term that a lot of folks use now about guys that kind of
40:07
carry a line. But he's a shooter.
40:10
He's good defensively. John Heinz is always lauded that
40:13
about the veteran Terasenko. This year, even when he wasn't
40:16
scoring offensively, he's like, you don't have to worry about
40:18
him from defensive. Side, he's not cheating the game
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looking for offense so brings a lot of experience.
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He brings a calming presence. I feel like to that wild locker
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room and and in clutch moments, he tends to deliver.
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So we jump into the other side Speaking of goalies from
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Walstead, and there's a change in game three.
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I think people will remember he gave up six in the first game.
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Do you think that there's going to be a change after pulling
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Wedgewood and they they go the other route here for Colorado in
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Game 4? Yeah, I think Jared Bednar just
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chatted with the local media. The Wild had their morning skate
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at the practice rink at 10:30. The ABS went on at 11:30 at the
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game rink, Grand Casino Arena. So I was kind of checking, but
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their scribes had to say on Twitter.
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And the last time I saw it looked like Blackwood was in
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what they call the starter's crease, like the net that
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typically the starting goalie would would warm up in in the
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morning skate. So if that's the case, and yes,
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it looks like Black would be getting his first start of the
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playoffs. Look, the ABS used both guys
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throughout the year. They won the Jennings Trophy for
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the fewest goals allowed in the NHL.
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And that's an award split between whoever plays for you,
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which would be Scott Wedgewood and McKenzie Blackwood for
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Colorado. So they're very comfortable with
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whoever they put in there. I found it interesting that
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after Game 2 or game three rather, Jared Bednar said he he
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thought Wedgewood really was competing in that, but maybe
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like a little bit too much like he was out of position at times.
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He was over committing. He was sort of swimming back
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there. He lost his goal stick on the
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four on three power play gold end up in the corner again,
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Jared Bednar sort of eluded. He thought maybe his goalie was
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maybe a little too ramped up. I'm paraphrasing, but like just
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a little out of position because of how aggressive he was and how
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how much he was competing back there.
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So we'll see if Blackwood, you know, gives them a little bit of
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change of pace. The Wild did score 6 game, one
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against Wedgewood. To your point, Trent, they got,
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you know, 3 past them, you know, the other night.
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So we'll see. I mean, Blackwood had a good
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year. So to Wedgewood again.
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That's why they gave up the fewest goals in the league.
42:23
Last thing, seemed like Quinn Hughes had a little bit more ice
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to deal with on Saturday night. Yeah, look, when when Caprice
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off and Hughes are carrying the play for the Wild, there's good
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steam as anyone in the league, like when they work the way they
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did the other night collectively up and down the line up with the
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power plays going. This is why this team had up,
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you know, 104 regular season points.
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Hughes is so dynamic. He can back off the defense when
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he's shooting the puck, always feel he's a much bigger threat
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than when he's always trying to dish it.
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Like he can get shots through. And I'd love to see him shoot
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the puck more here tonight in Game 4.
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But a bolding Caprice and Hughes and Faber on their game, you
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know it's going to be a star driven series.
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And the Wild like their depth bottom 6.
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Trent and Kenny just to like to win those battles too.
43:08
So if their stars are going and cancel out the F stars and you
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get your bottom 6 going as well. I just think Minnesota really
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liked your chance. This could be a tough one.
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They've gotten the Avalanche collective attention.
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I can guarantee you that. This one tonight should be fun.
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No, no question about it. Joe Donnell, voice of the
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Minnesota Wild, joining US radio duties tonight.
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Joe Donnell, thanks, fan. Appreciate it as always.
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We'll talk to you as this thing goes on.
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Appreciate it, Joe. Thank you all.
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Right. See you guys.
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Yep, good to talk to you Joe O'Donnell, the radio voice of
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the Minnesota Wild. Game 4 tonight should be a good
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one. Hopefully it is 22 going back to
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Denver for game five. I'm in.
43:44
Can we get some good ones? I mean, Anaheim Vegas has been
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close. It has, yeah, Yeah.
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Carolina's already moved out there.
43:52
Ticket punched. I was shocked by.
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This I I saw this little nugget today.
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You're the last team that a last time a team in the NHL playoffs
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has won their first eight games. Well, if Carolina just did, but
44:04
prior to that, I have no idea you.
44:07
Have to go back to 1985. Really.
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The 85 Oilers. In fact, there are only 5 teams,
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including this year's Carolina team, that have ever won their
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first eight games in the playoffs. 85 Oilers, the 69
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Blues, the 60 Canadians and the 52 Red Wings. 69 Blues again,
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then got swept in the Stanley Cup Final by the Boston Bruins
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and Bobby Orr flew through the air.
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That one. Indeed, in Saint Louis, Oh,
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absolutely. Hour 2 coming up next, Matt
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Snyder, CBSSports.com covers MLB.
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That's where we'll start. Bill Seals on Iowa State, Miller
44:44
and Condon on Des Moines Sports Station One O 6.3 KXNO.