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FOP Pres Ken Kober - Rules of Engagement · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Seven six, fifty five KRCD talk station, trying to make
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  Speaker 1: it to have your money and stand the hell off
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  Speaker 1: the roads. That's what Hammond County Sheriff said, Hamilton County
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  Speaker 1: snow Level three SNOW emergency. All roads are closed in
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  Speaker 1: on emergency personnel. No one should be driving a list
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  Speaker 1: it's a personal emergency. On that note, welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five krc Morning Show. Not necessarily to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the road conditions. Welcome back FOP President Ken kob Are,
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  Speaker 1: representing the Cincinni Police Department. Always a great to have
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  Speaker 1: you on the program.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, say, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It's pleasure, and of course to talk about the rules
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  Speaker 1: of engagement given what happened in Minneapolis over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get to that, can I talk about
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  Speaker 1: the roads just real quick here? First off, there is
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  Speaker 1: a Stage three emergency. I understand that. What does it
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  Speaker 1: mean to my listening audience. Does this mean they're not
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  Speaker 1: legally allowed to drive unless it's a personal emergency. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm wondering what the true effect is. I
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  Speaker 1: know no one should be out on the roads because
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  Speaker 1: they suck, but beyond that, legally speaking, what does it mean?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gonna it's gonna be hard pressed
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  Speaker 2: to be able to enforce this. Now, I will say
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  Speaker 2: that does make sense. I mean I talked to cops
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  Speaker 2: that are working third shift. They're like this, the roads
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  Speaker 2: are impassable. They are so I think the whole point
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  Speaker 2: of that is, listen, if you absolutely don't need to
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  Speaker 2: be on the road, don't be on the road. You know,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully just saying look, this is what could happen would
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  Speaker 2: be enough, because you know, if the police stop somebody
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  Speaker 2: driving sideways down we'll say Reddick Road or you name
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  Speaker 2: it whatever, Central Parkway, and they go, oh, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: was just going to see if there was a liquor
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  Speaker 2: store open, they might have a problem to think. You know,
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  Speaker 2: look I'm trying to get to the hospital, or look,
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  Speaker 2: i have to be at work because my business isn't closed.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're going to certainly allow you to get there.
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  Speaker 2: But if you don't need to be on the roads,
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  Speaker 2: don't be on the roads because they are terrible. Right now, well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think you already answered my question kind of about law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking of you and and dealing with you know,
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  Speaker 1: terrible road conditions in the past. What does it mean
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  Speaker 1: for the law enforcement officers and you guys are driving
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  Speaker 1: around a rear wheel drive Sedan's for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: do you change vehicles to deal with issues?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we have to anticipate a much slower reaction time,
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  Speaker 1: to the extent we call nine to one one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it can put chains on the tires.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is those chains only work if there's snow there.
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  Speaker 2: If once roads are starting to be covered, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they don't work very well on roads that don't have
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  Speaker 2: snow on them. So it does make it difficult. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the whole purpose is. You know, the police need
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  Speaker 2: to be available for emergencies, not for somebody because they
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  Speaker 2: slid off the side of the road because our car
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  Speaker 2: got stuck because they decided they wanted a big make
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  Speaker 2: at two o'clock in the morning. So that's where they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to emphasize that, Look, the roads are really bad.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you need to be out there for something that's
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  Speaker 2: that dire, please just stay home.
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  Speaker 1: That is sound advice, So heat it. Ken Kober says it.
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff says it. I'm saying it because I've been on
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  Speaker 1: the roads this morning. It's just not good out there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's pivot over to Minneapolis. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is the martyr they had been looking for. Ken my
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  Speaker 1: take on it, anyway, I didn't really personally judging it
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  Speaker 1: from the legal standard of reasonable and eminent apprehension of
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  Speaker 1: grievous bodily harm or death. If you have that and
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  Speaker 1: that feeling is reasonable, you're allowed to use deadly force
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  Speaker 1: under most circumstances. Is that the standard that law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: looks at as well when using deadly force?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Sure, I mean you have Graham versus Connor. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court decision of what
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  Speaker 2: you suf force, how you sup force can be applied,
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  Speaker 2: And it's what's reasonable to the officer at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Not to be watching still videos or you still frames
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  Speaker 2: slowing down videos. You can't have twenty twenty hindsight. It
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  Speaker 2: has to be in that moment. What did that officer
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  Speaker 2: know at the time? Was it reasonable? That's what is
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  Speaker 2: applied to cases like this. Now. I will say with this,
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  Speaker 2: with this one in Minneapolis, whether the officer did the
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  Speaker 2: right thing or not, I think it's still yet to
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  Speaker 2: be seen. But you have politicians on both sides of
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  Speaker 2: the aisles coming out going some of them going as
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  Speaker 2: a murder, some of them going listen to, this guy
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  Speaker 2: just did what he's supposed to do and without having
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  Speaker 2: all the evidence. That is extremely, extremely inappropriate. But people
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  Speaker 2: have already made up their minds. Now we have people
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  Speaker 2: that are making AI videos, AI still images, and that's
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  Speaker 2: that's the problem. Is what you know, what on the
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  Speaker 2: internet is actually true and what's not, and it's well,
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  Speaker 2: whatever fits my motive is what I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's the real problem. It's become a very
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  Speaker 2: polarizing thing here in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, most notably because most people are not inclined to
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  Speaker 1: do the heavy research it takes to get to the truth.
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  Speaker 1: They are duped by the artificial intelligence created image. They
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  Speaker 1: are duped by whatever side of the political ledger website
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  Speaker 1: is trying to, you know, to push people to a
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  Speaker 1: certain direction. Whether the ice agent was completely appropriate, his
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  Speaker 1: actions were completely appropriate and w awful, or he was
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  Speaker 1: an evil murderer who gunned down an innocent individual. If
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  Speaker 1: you just surround yourself with one narrative and you buy
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  Speaker 1: into it because of politic if it's your political perspective,
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  Speaker 1: then I think we're all lost as a society, and
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  Speaker 1: it transcends what happened in Minneapolis over the weekend. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you completely. We need all the evidence first,
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  Speaker 1: But judging from the fact that you've got it, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty demonstrably true. There were three, four,
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  Speaker 1: five ice agents. They had this guy tackled to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, it doesn't seem likely that there will
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  Speaker 1: be a circumstance that would give rise to this Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, my life is in peril. That's the thing
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  Speaker 1: I think most people are struggling with and trying to
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  Speaker 1: reach a conclusion, an accurate conclusion on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Ken Well, sure, And like I said, you watch these
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  Speaker 2: videos that blurry their grainy who knows without knowing what did?
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  Speaker 2: What did these officers say? You know, you know it's
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  Speaker 2: offs in the video. Like I said, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that you can necessarily draw a conclusion
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  Speaker 2: of there's one that supposedly they see them taking a
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  Speaker 2: weapon from this guy. Was this guy then reaching for
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  Speaker 2: someone else's gun? And like I said, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: this is true. I'm just giving a scenario where this
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  Speaker 2: could be justified, but maybe it's not. I mean, it
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  Speaker 2: could be as simple as somebody had a gun out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they had an accidental discharge, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, there's sympathetic fire because people are thinking that,
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  Speaker 2: oh this is good, this cops life in danger, they
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  Speaker 2: start firing rounds. I'm not saying any of this is true,
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  Speaker 2: but these are scenarios that could either show that they
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  Speaker 2: were justified, it could show they're not justified. But what
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  Speaker 2: they need to have, what a public should be looking
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  Speaker 2: for is let's come out and see what this entire
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  Speaker 2: investigation shows. Maybe these six officers, I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they said listen and it was an act. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: mean to fire this round, or yeah, I absolutely did
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  Speaker 2: because he was grabbing the third officer's gun. I saw it,
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  Speaker 2: and I knew if he got a hold of this
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  Speaker 2: gun he shot some of these officers. Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's certainly a valuable or a viable option
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  Speaker 1: there ken we don't know yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, for politicians to be outgoing this guy is a murderer,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have the other side going he's justly
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do. This is his job. He has right
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  Speaker 2: to protect himself, you know, until they have all of
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  Speaker 2: the facts. It's just it's ridiculous that it's come to this.
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  Speaker 2: But we also have let's think about this, and this
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  Speaker 2: is how this is how our brains work. You know,
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  Speaker 2: think of as a child growing up and you got
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  Speaker 2: a younger or older sibling and you guys get in
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  Speaker 2: a fight. One is going to go run into mom
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  Speaker 2: and dad and go, this is what happened. This is
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  Speaker 2: what happened. And of course mom and dad immediately go,
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  Speaker 2: that's what had does happened? Right, because that was the
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  Speaker 2: first story I heard. So now you have both sides
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  Speaker 2: chasing the media to get out their narrative first because
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  Speaker 2: that's what some people are likely going to believe. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and this is this is the problem with what we
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  Speaker 2: have going on with society. Instead of waiting for facts
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  Speaker 2: to come out, we're just going to put out what
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  Speaker 2: our narrative is that supports supports whatever. You know, my
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  Speaker 2: agenda is that's what we want to get out and
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  Speaker 2: sort of waiting, let's get all of the facts out
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  Speaker 2: and then people pass judgment. And that's just not what
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  Speaker 2: we're seeing.
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  Speaker 1: Well in the elephant in the room for me all
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  Speaker 1: morning and it has been for a long time, is
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  Speaker 1: really getting behind and finding out what the agenda is.
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  Speaker 1: What do they hope to accomplish by not enforcing immigration laws,
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  Speaker 1: particularly involving the elimination of the hardest core criminals from
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  Speaker 1: our country. I mean, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: embrace that. I mean, there may be some decent, wonderful
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  Speaker 1: illegal immigrants here and final they've been living their lives
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  Speaker 1: for the last ten years, they should be un the
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  Speaker 1: less that you can make that argument all day long,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, the focus of the Trump initiative has
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  Speaker 1: been to get really evil, bad people out of neighborhoods,
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  Speaker 1: and that everyone would show up to impede that operation.
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  Speaker 1: That element doesn't make sense to me, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm really looking for this true you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the why behind the motive to come out. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, no without a doubt.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what's really has me kind of scratching
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  Speaker 2: my head, is you know, you you're against these laws,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, these these agendas, instead of you know,
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  Speaker 2: going into your your U S Senator, your US representatives
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  Speaker 2: and going listen, I don't like this law. You guys
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  Speaker 2: need to change this from Capitol Hill. Now instead, what
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  Speaker 2: are they doing. They're going out and they're you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're blowing whistles. They're trying to interfere with ice, which
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  Speaker 2: these folks are here legally doing a job. And I've
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  Speaker 2: actually studied human performance for science Institute is a fantastic
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  Speaker 2: institute that, you mean, you can actually get certified in
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  Speaker 2: being an analyst of you know, looking at human performance
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  Speaker 2: uh by you know, for lack of better terms, humans
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  Speaker 2: and what happens when they're under stress. You know, decision
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  Speaker 2: making we know goes down when they're under stress. So
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people yelling and screaming, blowing whistles, you
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  Speaker 2: were making these situations worse. I'm not saying you don't
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  Speaker 2: have the right to protest, because you do have the
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  Speaker 2: right to protest, But the problem is you're making this worse,
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  Speaker 2: you know, by putting more stress on these agents that
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  Speaker 2: are trying to do this job, just because you simply
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  Speaker 2: don't like the law. And that is I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: not surprising that these things are happening. You know, whether
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  Speaker 2: they end up being right or they end up being wrong,
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  Speaker 2: that'll come out in time. But it just doesn't make
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  Speaker 2: any sense, do things the right way. Never in the
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  Speaker 2: United States, and we're hit a time where we go,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like this law, so I'm going to resist
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement. You're going to lose. It's just the bottom line,
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  Speaker 2: whether it ends up losing by going to jail or
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately this guy losing his life because he ends up
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  Speaker 2: getting in a situation that's just a tragic one. But
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  Speaker 2: people somehow have been so emboldment well, if we don't
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  Speaker 2: like the law, we're just going to resist law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: and think that that's okay, and it's just not.
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  Speaker 1: And then going back to your earlier point, that creates
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  Speaker 1: a very tense situation in the mind of the law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement officer. When there's surrounded by these angry mobs constantly,
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  Speaker 1: it's much more likely that's going to result in the
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  Speaker 1: tragic scenario, which of course happened over the weekend. Ken Kober,
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  Speaker 1: God bless you man, You and every one of the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinne police officers and all law enforcement officers. I wish
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  Speaker 1: you the best out there. Be careful on the roads them,
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  Speaker 1: give the officers a break, folks. Just stay off the
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  Speaker 1: roads of the extent possible. And Ken, I don't envy
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  Speaker 1: one days like today, But then I don't envy law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement generally speaking. But we sure do appreciate you and
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  Speaker 1: here on the fifty five kter Same Morning Show, have
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  Speaker 1: your back brother.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate your support. As for your listeners as well.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Have a great week, my friends, Stay safe and stay warm.
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