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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E26 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it! Ft: Tim Hall and Abby Steiner' October 7, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time, we're honored Athletics, LLC would allow us to
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  present to you the audio version of their weekly Friday Night,
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  YouTube series. Let's get to and see what the
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  crew has in store this week. Another fun episode.
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  I'm already starting the episode laughing so you know it's only
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  going to get better from here. So welcome, welcome.
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  Welcome well obviously you tune in to see two new faces and
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  we'll definitely get to introducing them but will
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  welcome the returners and save the new be the best for last.
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  So Lamar I saw a 62 husband's, I didn't get it but I just got it.
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  Got it. How are you tonight?
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  Sir I'm great. I've been a Yankee fan since I
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  was 4 years old. And I got to see the 62nd home
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  run. Hit by mr.
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  Aaron judge in person. Totally on a whim.
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  Shoutout to the Texas Rangers Scout that gave me the tickets.
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  I was able to take the kids. It was awesome.
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  Hey, good stuff, applied. How are you this evening, sir?
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  Sir, I have survived the tornado, that was my day and I'm
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  here with two legends and then the rest of the show.
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  So, wow. So I'm going to guess that you
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  had a guest appearance of compliance or something today or
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  something. I guess that's what everybody
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  today. Oh my gosh, you know, that
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  Governor while I don't know what you're trying to come out of my
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  mouth Governor. How are you tonight, sir?
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  Doing well, you know, we're in, we're in that month the October
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  month, you know, where, you know, all of a sudden there is a
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  40 degree difference between when you wake up in the morning
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  and when you get to mid-day, you know, it's interesting.
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  Interesting stuff. But other than that doing, well,
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  everybody's fine and can't wait to do this show, this is
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  exciting. Right.
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  Right, right. Well, if you don't recognize the
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  two others tiles. I'ma need you to check yourself
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  real quick and I don't know where you've been for a while
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  now but I'm definitely will get started and welcome Miss.
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  Abby, Steiner and her coach Tim Hall.
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  Welcome, welcome Abby, how are you tonight?
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  I'm great thank you for having me.
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  Of course, thanks for jumping on, I promise.
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  This is we're going to try to make it one of the more fun Zoom
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  call. That you have.
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  So how are you tonight? Sir fantastic alluded to
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  earlier, we're back to training. His Superstar young lady, back
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  in the training mode. So all is well, all right.
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  The Peace of Peace has arrived dust is settled normal.
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  Speaking return, right? Isn't that weird how we feel
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  abnormal whenever that happens? Absolutely, I mean we are
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  gluttony for pain that is for sure.
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  We are definitely a glutton for pain, anyhow.
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  Well I'm definitely I'll open the floor for the gentleman to I
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  know they're already like salivating and ready to ask a
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  couple questions. Look at it like that's like
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  perched. Yeah I mean when you told us who
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  was going to be on the show tonight I mean there was there
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  were a couple you know question marks like And Abby.
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  Oh, okay. Right, right.
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  We didn't hear about Abby to the last minute.
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  Exactly. Exactly.
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  We can't give your old toys. That's right.
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  That's right. We're happy to see Tim.
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  We love Tim. So so many, so many questions.
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  I mean, this came to my mind and and yes, I mean, I have been
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  one. One of the coaches on these
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  panel on this panel that has been following your career.
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  From high school and you know and I remember the grainy video,
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  you know this this this young lady just doing incredible
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  things and then we get the news that you know, you're coming to
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  Kentucky to play soccer, right? And so we're all just kind of
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  like okay alright she's made her decision right?
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  And then the decision changes to to run track and I'm sure Tim at
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  that point was dancing. A But but I want to know, this
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  is just one of my many questions.
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  I want to know what you've taken from your time playing soccer.
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  And if anything has anything translated into, what you do in
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  track, is there anything about your soccer days that you still
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  hold onto that that has helped you be successful in track?
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  That's a good question because they definitely are very
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  different Ports chalk is obviously you are working
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  together as a team for the team corn maze.
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  But really what that comes down to is you doing your individual
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  job, where soccer is used literally depend on everyone.
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  All 11 on the field from goalie to forward to get that ball down
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  the field. I think that a lot of my work
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  ethic that I have today, came from my socket has, I started
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  playing club. Soccer really young like eight
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  years. Or so I just grew up in such a
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  competitive Sports environment where everyone was willing to
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  work hard and you know, there to support each other.
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  And I mean, soccer is a grind here, playing 90 minutes and
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  you're running the entire time I was running like 10 miles a game
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  or something like that. So I think a lot of what I
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  learned from soccer is just almost that like work ethic of
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  how to dig deep in those moments.
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  When I heard It's, um, and I think obviously a lot of that
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  applies to track workouts, because I've every track,
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  workout hurts and its own way. So I think a lot of that and
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  then, you know, obviously the team stuff does translate and
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  helped me to, you know, be a leader for our team to finished
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  third place. But yeah, I would say a lot of
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  that work. Ethic applies from soccer to
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  what I'm doing today. All right, before you jump in
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  their Clan. I want to, I want to throw one
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  question in because it's kind of related to the same soccer
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  situation. So, Abby, I'm old and I, I used
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  to be friends with the bunch of people on, on the will say, the
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  original u.s. women's soccer team and Mia, Hamm's always
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  known as the fastest player in the world.
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  She was substantially faster than everybody else in the South
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  Korea. Mia Hamm is like, thrower, fast
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  in comparison to you. I've never seen you play soccer,
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  but I I cannot imagine you on a soccer field, right?
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  Like I just can't imagine that because the, like, those people
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  are grinders, they're not fast like that.
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  So, like I'm not questioning your skills at all.
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  I'm just wondering, was it? Like almost like little kids
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  soccer where it's like, you just kick the ball in front of you
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  and just ran real fast? Okay, well, of course you have
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  to be technical, I couldn't However, a lot of my skills that
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  was was running. And I think that's why I like
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  eventually I looked that sport in the face and I was like,
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  okay, what do I actually enjoy about soccer?
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  Well, I enjoy running up and down the field so maybe this
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  isn't actually the sport. I enjoy and I enjoy the Running
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  part of it, but yeah, that was a big strength of mine and I was
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  always outside players. I was constantly just like
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  making runs and getting through walls and like that was that was
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  my thing. But like he said, it's
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  whirlwind. Are you were a Winger?
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  Yeah I was mostly outside back growing up and then we kind of
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  played around with it when I came to college.
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  But yeah, basically my whole club soccer career.
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  I was I think we played like a before court or a 4-3-3 child
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  was one of those two outside backs and I would just run up
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  and down the hill. That's all I can picture is,
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  right? Like it's like they're all in
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  dial up and she's like, yeah, welcome arnout nowadays.
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  You would be considered a hybrid, you know, the because
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  today's today's soccer requires that, the folks that to be able
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  to play, both ways able to get down and defend and also get up,
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  you know, to score. So I can uh, I can truly see if
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  she was still playing. Now that she would be one of
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  those a goalpost to goalpost, soccer players.
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  Yeah. So In the last 30 minutes, when
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  I found out, Abby, was going to be on.
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  I had to find a way to manipulate one of the main
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  questions that I wanted to ask, but the subject matter, totally
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  differently applies to both of you.
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  We talked a lot about the business of our sport or lack
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  thereof professionalism of our sport.
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  Yeah, and lack. One thing that I've always been
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  very impressed with and complimentary of, as it relates
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  to Is he found a way to hold onto Christian as an athlete
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  when the industry probably was against it and now a BB in the
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  star coming out of this class, it's the same thing.
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  So I want to know, you know, from both of your perspectives
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  like how have you been able to successfully navigate staying
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  where you should be with the people that you've been working
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  with? When the Tree by and large
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  doesn't want any part of that. Well, I think, first, I think,
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  continuity has his place in this business, and if you look at the
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  history of kids, who kind of just jump from coast to coast,
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  there is not a lot of a great deal of longevity in that
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  process. I'm of the mindset.
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  This is about report, you know, the this is this relationship
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  this Rapport between ab and I started when I was at Tennessee
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  Like I said she was on a recruiting visit there at the
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  opportunity to sit down with her and her parents.
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  And I felt like there was a bond even in that conversation and,
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  you know, it just made things twice as as good when I got to
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  Kentucky and I had the opportunity to work with her.
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  It all comes down to relationship reports.
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  You know, her trusting me with, with her career, her trust in.
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  You know, the process in terms of being able to get her in a
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  Position where she could merge her brand with it with a shoe
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  company brand. I think all those things that
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  continuity there has his place in his business and those who
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  don't believe in that or they allow shoe companies to dictate
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  that I think does doesn't disservice so to speak.
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  You know it. I think it it again.
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  It all comes down to that relationship that you build do
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  that through the College Years, the trial.
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  Are you know and then them continuing to trust the process
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  and believe in what we're putting together.
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  Yeah. I'll piggyback off of that.
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  I think that, you know, for every record that happened this
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  year or great moment, there were a lot of moments that weren't so
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  great. That coach always there for me
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  for and help me feel. And I think when you just have a
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  bond like that there's like no one else I would rather trust
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  that I would trust, you know, to be on this journey.
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  Any with and those moments not other.
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  So yeah, I agree with glucose Paul.
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  For sure. I think what I love the answers
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  and I think kind of what cloud was alluding to.
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  I think was less of an issue in my opinion Cloud.
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  Because in Christians case, he was the best guy and Abby's
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  case. She was the best woman.
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  Like if she was let's say the fifth best collision coming out,
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  right? Then the shoe companies feel as
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  if they have more leverage to make demands, damn right?
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  But when you're the best one, you like look, if you start with
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  the, I gotta move thing. We can just be done with this
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  meeting, right? And so, I think, I think a lot
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  of it come comes with being the best one because you have the
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  leverage and in, I mean, we talked about this a million
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  times, right? If your company is always wanted
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  to be their idea. I don't know what that's about.
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  I really don't, but they're they're okay with playing
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  Russian roulette with people's careers because I completely
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  believe with coach Hall like, you know, they did a study, you
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  know, way back into the, you know, old gate in the olden days
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  when I was on the Olympic team and Olympic medalists had fewer
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  than one point five coaches in their careers.
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  As of 2000, right? So, we just tells you like, if
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  you stay, put training is cumulative, trust the process
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  like all those things, right? But somewhere along the line,
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  the shoe companies have got it into like there's college
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  coaches and procopius which literally makes no sense because
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  I think while all standards we would all say Bobby Kersey is
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  the best coach byways of resume, right?
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  Well, he was coaching the UCLA for like 80% of the things he's
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  done. So it don't make any sense that
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  they came to this, but at the end of the day, like that's what
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  we got. So I'll say this, I'm glad that
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  both you and Christian got to stay right where you are because
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  your first year out of college and I'm not trying to scare you,
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  but your first year out of college, everybody will tell you
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  this. It's the hardest one you ever
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  have as a pro. It's four times harder if you
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  add changing coaches to that, right?
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  Yeah, that's a great. Well I'm I'm curious.
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  I mean did The choice of shoe company factor into this and I
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  mean, your, you can, you can answer the question and I answer
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  the question, but, you know, these are things that, you know,
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  I feel like a lot of young people young athletes.
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  Up-and-comers need to truly understand about how you know,
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  about how this business works or to, at least have some idea of
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  what's coming, you know. So the question there is, you
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  know, did your A choice of shoe company factor into, you know,
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  or was there conversations where people were telling you, you
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  have to do XY and z in order to get X Y & Z.
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  Because that, that is a fact that is happening.
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  Yeah, I will say, one of my main points that I entered, you know,
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  these meetings and was I think we were very clear going into
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  it. That switching coaches was not
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  going to be an option. That is so awesome.
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  Yeah. Ready watching this show real of
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  it clip that and yes, yes. I think I had like no bullet
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  points and I can't remember what the other one was.
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  But I woke up at all this and it was like one of them was I'm
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  saying with coach Hall and those were, you know, because you go
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  into it negotiating and talking about things and that was one
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  that I was very upfront on that wasn't going to budge so good
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  for you. Love it.
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  So Tim I have a question for you.
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  So every Elites printer has that one thing that that that twang
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  that style that something about what they do that's unique I
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  mean we can go back to bolt in the way you know, the scoliosis
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  and how that changed the way he ran and the difference in the
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  leg length Donovan Bailey. I mean I mean, think about
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  Michael Johnson in the way here. And so you know, I think, you
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  know where I'm going with this. Well, how did you manage Abby's
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  unique arm swing and that was there any point where you were
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  thinking? I need to fix this?
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  Or did you think I need to use this to her advantage?
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  Well, I'm always up the mindset of meeting athletes where there
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  are mentally and from a anthropometric standpoint, oh,
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  say that again, for the people, he's pleased with that again,
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  for the people in the back Church, Say Amen.
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  Yes, again, understand our athletes that we encounter, try
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  to cultivate the talent instead of trying to fix the talent.
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  I think we all would be much better coaches, you know, the
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  arm swing was, was everyone else's problem.
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  You know, we, we put some things in place to help her get a
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  little more Mobile in there and our arms swing.
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  But that was not the premise of what we were trying to get
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  accomplished throughout the year.
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  As my grandfather, my mom, my dad used to tell me all the
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  time, if it's not what a you say, if it ain't broke, don't
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  fix it. So he continued to run extremely
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  fast. You know, the arm swing was what
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  it was. I was not going to interrupt our
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  season are planar process trying to confuse her.
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  Well I need you to hear this. Yes, just allow things to
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  happen, you know. Continue to trust the process
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  and continue to, you know, allow things to happen.
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  You know, it was it was something that we talked in
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  depth about but we weren't trying to put this elaborate
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  plan together to change your arms swing.
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  So, and it worked out perfect. I mean, just keep it going
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  because if she runs fast enough, they're going to have coaches
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  teaching kids running. Okay.
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  Listen whee laughs whee laughs. See, this right here.
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  Look at me. How many kids?
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  Yes, start a hurry like this because there is very area.
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  Yeah, yeah. But at this point, they don't
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  even know why they're doing it. I promise you, I promise you and
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  I'm not playing. Abby is the first person of any
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  kind of note to move the way she does, you know, with her arms I
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  went to jails this year. I saw four or five little kids.
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  That's all it is. It's awful.
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  No Abby. Listen, you got to leave that
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  duplication but basically people copying you is the greatest
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  compliment I ever had. So where did that come from?
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  Do you is there is there something that led to You
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  running that way or is that the only way you've known
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  and the arms was phenomenal. Yeah I think it was a
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  collaboration of like her just getting stronger lifting weights
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  and you know, she just getting really strong in her upper body.
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  And you know, the next thing I know is like, this lie wasn't,
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  it wasn't planned, it was not by Design.
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  I mean, look at our high school or High School, 100 meters or
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  200 meters. I'm like man, we need those
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  arms. My needs.
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  I was like back kicking down the back stretch.
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  So I'm like which would you I always thought originally,
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  right? My original thought was, it was
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  from, it was from soccer, was something related to soccer but
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  I did the same thing that coach all did.
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  I was like, wait a minute, I'll go back and watch High School.
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  I was like, yeah, no it's not soccer right?
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  Because he played soccer in high school did not look like that
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  but at the end of the day, here's the thing.
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  Listen, Abby. Weird kid with you but I
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  understand this. No one would ever teach anybody
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  to run like Michael Johnson except for when the clock stops.
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  Exactly. So at the end of the day, just
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  tell him, get like me, you run any way you want to write but
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  until you beat me. All right, I reckon you better
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  recognize these arms. So so another one that I think
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  differently can relate to both of you.
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  Abby, as I'm sure, you know, our sport for some reason, delivers,
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  a lot of legendary athletes, out of Ohio.
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  Oh, I wish my house was all right.
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  Yeah, you missing it. Listen, here's this.
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  And you already know. Hop on my right?
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  Yes you already know I would probably get in trouble for not
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  asking and ohio-based question in this instance, right?
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  So you know, I assume that you're aware of that history but
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  has have you been being the next Superstar coming out of Ohio?
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  Have you given any thought to that?
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  Have you does that mean anything to you?
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  What does it mean to you and to her coach Hall?
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  You know, do you find it? Recruiting kids out of the
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  Midwest is a thing that because I know a lot of people miss
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  those kids. Like do you feel like that those
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  kids have a certain whatever they are.
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  It makes them more inclined to be real at this, right?
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  I think they're a, there are a number of diamonds in the
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  proverbial diamond in the rough side of the state of Ohio.
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  You know, that the climate there is not really conducive to like
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  outdoor training until later in the season.
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  You know, Kentucky is sorting that same kind of climate but
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  you know, indoor facilities and what have you?
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  But my point is like when those kids you know migrated to South
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  or get in a program that has a little warmer weather and the
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  training is conducive to cultivating and teaching and you
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  know progressing student-athletes then.
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  Yeah you can you can guess those diamonds off and and you have
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  your next have you sign up. So to speak, you know.
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  No, I am truly convinced that there is something in the water
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  in the state of Ohio. Again, you look at the, you look
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  at the history of kids that have come out of that they've all
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  done extremely well in the right situation.
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  So, So was so was Ohio State and option.
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  Abby, my recruiting process was a little bit strange because
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  soccer starts. So early.
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  So I went on a visit to a higher state for soccer and this was
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  like my freshman year, but Ohio state is also like 20 minutes
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  from where I grew up. And I knew I wanted to Branch
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  out a little bit more than that, but yeah.
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  Was a little bit kind of tricky finding schools because I was
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  going through my recruiting process for soccer when I was
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  like halfway through my freshman year of high school and horse
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  track and field is like doing your senior year.
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  So it's really just finding you know the right fit that was
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  going to meet all of my needs but I knew I wanted to go SEC
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  and wanting to Branch out a little bit more from Ohio.
• 24:57
  Yeah. Okay.
• 24:59
  Now Kurt you distracted. Her from my question.
• 25:01
  I know. Yes.
• 25:05
  The answer your question. I have given a lot of thought on
• 25:09
  you know, ways that I can maybe give back to that Ohio community
• 25:14
  that track community and I don't know the best ways.
• 25:18
  Yeah. But I thought of maybe ways I
• 25:20
  could like host my own knee and do something for kids through
• 25:23
  that but the Ohio track Community was such a beautiful
• 25:28
  day. Growing up.
• 25:29
  I mean, I stayed in was always packed and you could just tell,
• 25:33
  like, people they're like loved going there and loved following
• 25:36
  chalk and I still have people watching these people, like,
• 25:39
  comment, that they're from Ohio and common eye at me and stuff
• 25:43
  like that. And so it really doesn't mean a
• 25:44
  lot to me. So, yeah, I was actually, you
• 25:48
  know, now that I have all my things to get out from a
• 25:51
  professional standpoint, out of college, have been thinking of
• 25:54
  which I can maybe get back to where I grew up, or how that At
• 25:58
  how that looks so high. Oh, but let's see.
• 26:03
  All right, I want to switch lanes in a some protract
• 26:06
  question. You are incredibly gifted and
• 26:11
  what we call rangy. So the question I have, I guess
• 26:17
  is for both of you. Are we still going to run all
• 26:23
  three? Mmm, run in the one and the two,
• 26:27
  and obviously, some whores in order to be the 4x4 monster that
• 26:32
  you are are we for lack of better terms going the Allison
• 26:37
  model where we like we run the to but we're fast enough to be
• 26:40
  on the floor by one and strong enough to be on the 4x4.
• 26:43
  Are we ever planning on a for to double?
• 26:47
  You know, inquiring minds want to know and they only want to
• 26:49
  know not because anybody Wants to pigeonhole you listen, our
• 26:53
  sport is so hard to be good at one thing that anybody and trust
• 26:58
  me. I know a little bit about this,
• 26:59
  anybody who's good at multiple things, like people want to
• 27:03
  know, like they're intrigued and inquiring minds want to know.
• 27:06
  So I would be completely remiss. If I didn't ask the question,
• 27:10
  everybody wants to know a is there?
• 27:13
  A plan to remove or ADD and be if?
• 27:17
  So what, you know, where do we need to go?
• 27:19
  See you run this that Third. Well, I'll start by asking that
• 27:23
  question. We're going to, we're going to
• 27:25
  continue to do the things that they got us in this position.
• 27:28
  You know, we're going to be relentless in our pursuit of a
• 27:35
  couple of things taking this knowledge.
• 27:38
  You know, things of that nature. That's going to sustain her
• 27:41
  throughout her career. She will run some 400.
• 27:47
  She's going to run some 60, she's gonna run, someone, she's
• 27:50
  gonna run. Some to, I mean, we're going to
• 27:51
  stick to the process that that put us in this position to have
• 27:56
  those inquiries about the range. That's that she's able to cover.
• 28:03
  So, that's that's kind of where I am with it.
• 28:05
  We have these conversations all the time about, you know,
• 28:09
  because sometimes the narrative can get overwhelming, you know,
• 28:13
  everybody want to see this. And then you lose sight of
• 28:15
  what's really important, and that's the process.
• 28:17
  The things that got us to this position.
• 28:20
  And I think when an athlete or coach loses that that Insight or
• 28:24
  that processed in, that's when the problems in Sioux, in my
• 28:28
  opinion. So we're going to stick to
• 28:29
  what's, what's what's work? And you know, what's gotten Us
• 28:33
  in this position to start? Do to to touch on that.
• 28:40
  So, between the indoor and outdoor season.
• 28:43
  Am I correct that you ran 56 races in 2022, 57?
• 28:49
  Okay. The Good, the Collegiate, who's
• 28:51
  counting. So here's my question.
• 28:56
  So there's an ebb and flow to the season ups and downs
• 29:02
  condition, you know, your physical condition goes up and
• 29:05
  down. You're basically is a coach.
• 29:08
  Tim, you're trying to make sure that the Downs don't occur when
• 29:13
  things really need to be up, right.
• 29:17
  I'm curious to know a be, like, throughout the season.
• 29:21
  Can you identify those times when it was just like, man,
• 29:26
  like, this is not happening. And how you manage that because
• 29:31
  you had a long time. You think about from when you
• 29:34
  started, Two, when your season ended, I mean, that's a lot of
• 29:38
  Hills and Valleys a lot of Hills and Valleys.
• 29:41
  So I'm curious to know like if you can identify those times
• 29:45
  where it was just like, man. This is a, this is a hike as
• 29:50
  opposed to the times when you were like, okay, it's time to
• 29:53
  roll. Yeah, I was say that I feel like
• 29:57
  as an athlete I am usually very good at staying present and
• 30:05
  like, It's super cliche, but like, literally taking it one
• 30:08
  day, one, race at a time, I mean, you have to be present in
• 30:12
  a season like that, otherwise, you're going to look ahead and
• 30:16
  it's going to be. So, daunting staring a whole
• 30:19
  indoor and outdoor season in the face.
• 30:21
  So short term memory as yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 30:24
  I think like physically, I have never really had a hard time
• 30:29
  because I've always tried to be super mindful when I'm at means
• 30:32
  or have practiced. I think the times that I old
• 30:36
  this year and me and Coach, I was kind talked about this was
• 30:39
  when things got overwhelming for me outside of China, feel about
• 30:44
  that - I think that and like for me, so that's handled in a
• 30:49
  different way. So for me that was, like,
• 30:51
  getting off like social media because to me, like, I am always
• 30:55
  ready to compete and I track and field is what I love to do.
• 30:58
  So I'm never like going to practice like, oh my gosh, I
• 31:01
  have to go to practice today. Like I'm excited to go to Prague
• 31:03
  so I'm excited to run. So I think For me, handling,
• 31:08
  those moments where I'm feeling like, I don't know if I'm, you
• 31:12
  know, ready to get out there or I'm nervous for this new year.
• 31:16
  What have you is just like, removing what I need to remove
• 31:20
  controlling a controllable is and to me that was like getting
• 31:23
  off of social media tuning into my people, talking to my parents
• 31:28
  stuff like that. I think that was what helped me
• 31:32
  most in a season like this, when there was so much going on.
• 31:36
  Was to kind of tap into those things that are good for my
• 31:39
  mental health and enter and that was when I ran the best, okay?
• 31:44
  Yeah, I want to, I'm late to the party and I apologize.
• 31:48
  So for this, the Ohio, you may question the solution.
• 32:06
  Do multiple things. Very, very, very happy.
• 32:10
  I wasn't subtle, though, it was meant to be educational, she
• 32:15
  wasn't born when I was good at track, so I had to help her a
• 32:19
  little bit and we shall move on. And I also want to say that, you
• 32:23
  know, great question, Governor, but I happen to have a front-row
• 32:27
  seat for the The Abbey Steiner show this year.
• 32:30
  Yeah, word, no, valleys. Okay, okay.
• 32:33
  Okay. There's a lot of angst in this I
• 33:00
  need to be a head coach deal, right?
• 33:02
  And if there's assistant coach out there that has a resume to
• 33:05
  be a hit. Coach, it's definitely Timothy
• 33:07
  Hall. You know, what would be your
• 33:10
  message to them that keeps you focused on doing the things that
• 33:14
  you do? Because I mean for those you
• 33:16
  don't know. Go do your homework.
• 33:18
  Abby's the latest greatest but she's not the first of all
• 33:22
  exactly, exactly right. Well I look at that, look at
• 33:26
  this business like this coach and it's a great question.
• 33:30
  You know, when you first get in this business, you're always
• 33:32
  striving to be the best. You you pray and you You ask God
• 33:36
  for certain opportunities. I've prayed several times to be
• 33:41
  in this moment where I am right now, under the leadership that I
• 33:44
  am currently under have any autonomy to work with athletes
• 33:48
  like like a bee and Christian and some of the others that I've
• 33:52
  had the opportunity to encounter what we forget sometimes as
• 33:56
  coaches is that we prayed for this, you know what I mean?
• 34:01
  And, you know, I look at it like I pray for this.
• 34:05
  On it and forgot I prayed for basic.
• 34:10
  So I have to sit back and some especially when the
• 34:13
  opportunities present themselves I have to really go into deep
• 34:17
  meditation about is this right for me?
• 34:19
  Or is it and my family or is this is this my moment is this?
• 34:24
  What is this? What I've been praying for all
• 34:26
  the time and it's right here in my face and I'm not appreciating
• 34:30
  it, I'm not grateful for it, I'm looking for the next thing.
• 34:34
  So I have to sit in Quiet to a great deal, just to just to
• 34:39
  reflect on this moment, you know, and who the athletes that
• 34:44
  I'm responsible for her leadership the direction that
• 34:48
  that God want me to continue to go.
• 34:52
  You know, because it's not about this blue t-shirt is not about
• 34:56
  coach Hall, it's about and I wholeheartedly believe this.
• 35:00
  It's about the light. The outcome of the LIE lives
• 35:04
  that I encounter Our paths crossed and me being able to
• 35:08
  make a difference, you know. So my advice to the assistants
• 35:14
  right now. One first, learn how to be a
• 35:17
  phenomenal assistant in the event that in the event that you
• 35:23
  know you get an opportunity to be a head coach new, you know,
• 35:26
  exactly what to look for and what not to look for when you
• 35:30
  start your hiring process. So I take great pride in DIN and
• 35:37
  all the head coaches that I've had the opportunity to work on
• 35:40
  under and be mentored by, but this is a moment that I pray for
• 35:46
  every since I started this full-time back at UNC Charlotte,
• 35:50
  I would we would come to Florida relays, and it was just this guy
• 35:54
  just running around just kicking everybody's ass And So It Begins
• 36:06
  You know, no, I say that to say this coach.
• 36:10
  And again, this is where I am in this moment in this space.
• 36:14
  Like, I prayed for it. You know, I have to be grateful
• 36:18
  in this moment so that I don't get too far ahead of what he has
• 36:24
  ordained. You know, a lot of us think it's
• 36:27
  about us about the how much money we made, you know, the
• 36:30
  color of the, you know, the sexy tee shirt that we wear.
• 36:33
  No. It's bigger than that.
• 36:35
  It's about Out the did you say the cinta teacher contrasted
• 36:43
  meaning sec? You know, I'm grateful for where
• 37:08
  I am grateful for all the paths that I've been able to impact
• 37:15
  the lives that I've been able to impact.
• 37:18
  I receive well, one of my former athlete series Woods was
• 37:22
  inducted into the Hall of Fame back at ya and she was just so
• 37:27
  grateful for the the mentorship that I provided for her and, you
• 37:32
  know, watching it, you know, I got so emotional because Cuz I
• 37:36
  knew her story, I knew, you know, how she, what state she
• 37:41
  was in which derive at Charlotte, and the opportunities
• 37:45
  that are Rapport was able to put her in a position where she
• 37:49
  could do the things that she's doing now, and she was so
• 37:52
  grateful. And I'm like, that's why I get
• 37:55
  up every morning, kiss my wife and go to work to do what I do,
• 38:00
  if that answer your question. Also, another shout-out Harry
• 38:03
  Wilson, you're smart smart enough.
• 38:05
  But your wife and they're smart man.
• 38:07
  She's good she's gonna watch his be, that's my baby right?
• 38:11
  All right so I know, I know we're running out of time to
• 38:15
  going to cut us off at some point, but what Abby said in her
• 38:19
  last response through me another question.
• 38:22
  This for both y'all, For what I would imagine multiple reasons
• 38:29
  Abby's season her as an athlete in general seems to be a very
• 38:34
  polarizing Topic in our industry.
• 38:38
  Yeah. Right.
• 38:39
  And she mentioned having to get off social media, Focus handle
• 38:43
  her business. But how do both, how did both of
• 38:47
  you, you know, deal with that reality in the moment.
• 38:51
  Because a lot of it didn't make sense us a lot of us who are
• 38:54
  your fans at a supporter like, she's phenomenal, you girls
• 38:58
  fast, why are we not just celebrating how awesome she is.
• 39:03
  So from an athlete and a coach is perspective like how did how
• 39:05
  do you guys deal with that reality?
• 39:09
  Well, I tried to continue to just keep her level headed.
• 39:14
  You know, she'd come to me, we discuss everything.
• 39:17
  You know, all the narratives that that are presented and I
• 39:21
  just try to keep a focus on what's important right now and
• 39:24
  what was important in that moment was the next opportunity.
• 39:29
  You know, if you get caught up And all the narratives and you
• 39:33
  trying to please, you know, this group versus this group, you
• 39:36
  lose sight of what's important this moment and the things that
• 39:40
  we have to get done as a as a unit.
• 39:45
  So it was, it was pretty simple for me.
• 39:48
  It's like, look, these are the goals.
• 39:50
  These are the things you told me, you wanted to get done and
• 39:54
  these these other peripheral things are just distraction and
• 39:58
  they're going to keep you from from accomplishing the goal.
• 40:00
  Oh, so, you know, getting off, social media was one Avenue in
• 40:04
  terms of keeping her focused on the task at hand.
• 40:09
  She understood that she she, you know, got how social media was
• 40:12
  able to kind of redirect our focus and you know, things just
• 40:16
  kept getting better for Yeah, I think like koshwal said,
• 40:22
  remaining focus on the goals. I hand there are not shortcuts
• 40:30
  in this Sport and you cannot cheat the work that goes into
• 40:33
  this forward. And I think when I'm getting on
• 40:36
  that line I'm running 200 meters, my clock starts at 0 and
• 40:40
  my goal is to be the first one to cross it and that's going to
• 40:46
  happen by me and coach Hall. All, you know, being on the same
• 40:50
  page, talking it out, doing what we need to do and just putting
• 40:54
  our head down and working. So I think, yeah, we talked
• 40:59
  things out. Got off social media and remain
• 41:01
  focused, and the rest kind of played out there.
• 41:06
  May I ask one more question Madam chew Madam big lie.
• 41:11
  So I want to ask this of a be like there hasn't been a lot of
• 41:16
  talk about the Youth of the relays.
• 41:20
  You one you know gold medals with this summer, right?
• 41:23
  You know, especially, you know, the 4x4 I think isn't Sid, the
• 41:28
  oldest personal data relay, which is kind of scarce which is
• 41:30
  nice. That's so great crazy, right?
• 41:34
  And then you Come to the 4 by 4 and you take the old lady print
• 41:39
  prandini off of there and he got three babies again and like.
• 41:42
  So how exciting is that for you when you think about the future
• 41:46
  of the relays in the USA and what you could be part of
• 41:50
  something very, very special. Yeah.
• 41:52
  It's so exciting to think about especially with how world's went
• 41:56
  this past summer, how much fun that was being a part of?
• 42:00
  I can't even imagine it getting better than that but you know,
• 42:03
  it will We're Young, and We're only going to continue to
• 42:07
  improve so I think that was really exciting.
• 42:11
  I know. Like with the ladies on the 4x4,
• 42:13
  someone brought that up in an interview and we all kind of
• 42:15
  looked around for a second and really cute telling us that the
• 42:17
  oldest person on this relay is 20 years old.
• 42:20
  Like that's crazy. So I think it gives us like I
• 42:24
  know speaking for myself and the other girls it's very energizing
• 42:29
  knowing that you're going to be running with a lot of familiar
• 42:32
  faces and be able to build that chemistry.
• 42:35
  And really kind of start chasing these world record goals that,
• 42:38
  you know, the four by four doesn't seem too far out of
• 42:41
  reach when you're looking at at the splits and the ages of what
• 42:44
  people did. So, yeah, I think it just
• 42:47
  hopefully can provide a lot of energy and hopefully, you know,
• 42:51
  you're going to see a lot of the same faces at these meats.
• 42:53
  And people start to get to know these teams and these
• 42:56
  individuals and get excited to watch.
• 42:59
  Coach all my corrected. That was my tummy.
• 43:01
  I am I correct. That was the fifth fastest time
• 43:07
  in history. Yes, I believe so.
• 43:12
  Right. And so there were three
• 43:16
  collegians on that relay. Mmm, that's right.
• 43:20
  So what happens when we when we show up in there, don't come off
• 43:23
  the Collegiate season, right? Yeah, I'm real.
• 43:29
  We're going to be able to see that relay grow the 4x1 grow and
• 43:34
  like alluded to before It ain't broke, don't fix it.
• 43:38
  Please say that again. You know what I mean?
• 43:42
  And again going back to that a t-shirt.
• 43:45
  Think I think that's the name of this of this show to one.
• 43:50
  If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Thinking back to when he said,
• 43:58
  you know, I don't have an excuse because the ladies took care of
• 44:02
  business. So kudos to you all for show.
• 44:05
  wings at like sometimes it's Personnel, sometimes it's not
• 44:10
  Personnel, but as long as all four pieces are working for the
• 44:13
  same goal, Sometimes you just got to go left.
• 44:16
  Right? Left right, turn left.
• 44:17
  And go really fast. Yeah, that works for it works
• 44:22
  really well as a success coach, all he knows very well.
• 44:36
  I have had the opportunity to watch coach all grow in the
• 44:39
  sport, you know, for when you use it, you know by Charlotte.
• 44:41
  Don't let him fool you. Yeah, I was running around crazy
• 44:44
  but he Doing his thing to write, and no matter where he's gone,
• 44:50
  he's elevated the situation there.
• 44:53
  And I remember having a conversation with him a few
• 44:57
  years ago, your first into Kentucky, and you just kind of
• 45:00
  an adverse situation and someone had been injured and you were
• 45:03
  frustrated and we sat down and I was like, look, you know, we are
• 45:07
  both prayerful men. You you got no.
• 45:10
  We gotta we gotta pray about this and you figured it out.
• 45:12
  So clearly you prayed and you're listening my and so, you know,
• 45:17
  you know, I'll let you take a picture beside my number.
• 45:45
  That's actually be able to have actual conversation.
• 45:48
  Not just walked by a highs and buys at Nationals and whatnot
• 45:50
  with you. It only just shows the the
• 45:55
  specialness of your soul and your heart.
• 45:58
  So I want to be very clear and telling you that and continue
• 46:02
  doing that and being a great person for all of us to strive
• 46:06
  to be as, as an assistant coach. So thank you for being.
• 46:10
  You just add your phone, and thank you for being for being
• 46:14
  you. You honestly, it is clear to me,
• 46:28
  is a world-class coach. A B-side is a world-class
• 46:31
  athlete, but they are those things because they're
• 46:34
  world-class people off the track and that's why they are who they
• 46:38
  are. So if we're going to learn a
• 46:39
  lesson from this historic season, You know, learn the
• 46:44
  lesson of their humility. The fact that like like they
• 46:47
  said, we just showed up every day and started all over again.
• 46:51
  Yeah. And that's why this happened.
• 46:53
  Yeah. So I'm getting close.
• 46:54
  You guys are to be quiet. Then it was a fourth.
• 46:57
  I'm not gonna be quiet. Be quiet, listen II.
• 47:05
  I've lived a very, very blessed life and one of those blessings
• 47:10
  was I got to spend a season working with that.
• 47:12
  That guy. And I I will tell you, I learned
• 47:18
  so much from Tim Hall. I learned so much about myself
• 47:23
  because of Tim Hall. And you know, there are people
• 47:30
  that God puts in your life that make you want to be better, not
• 47:34
  just as coaches, but as people and, you know, listen if your,
• 47:42
  if your goal in life is to be, you know, equal to the man that
• 47:46
  Tim Hall is you got work to do? Absolutely, you know, I listen,
• 47:51
  I've been around that man with his with his kids.
• 47:54
  I've been around that man with his wife.
• 47:55
  Been around that man on a daily. Aces with athletes.
• 47:58
  And I'm telling you it is very rare that somebody ascends the
• 48:03
  success ladder and does not change as a human.
• 48:07
  It is very rare and that guy is the same guy that I met.
• 48:13
  When I came on my visit to try to be employed at Clemson.
• 48:19
  And, you know, listen and he knows how I feel about us.
• 48:24
  I'm like, I'll go on and on but I'll say this Abby.
• 48:26
  He's Lucky to have you as a coach.
• 48:29
  I mean, like meeting as a coach to have you as an athlete, but
• 48:32
  you are equally lucky to have that guy that guy in charge of
• 48:35
  your career because he is never going to make a decision.
• 48:40
  That's not what's best for you. And that right there as an
• 48:45
  athlete, you can't have better than that.
• 48:49
  You can't have that of than that.
• 48:51
  So let me, let me get this in while we're doing this.
• 48:55
  You know, I agree with everything everybody else has
• 48:59
  said about coach Hall. And I just want to say, you know
• 49:05
  I've been a fan of the work that you do for a while or long and
• 49:13
  to the EPS Point, none of your success seems to have changed
• 49:18
  you. And you know on the flip side
• 49:24
  watching Abby's career change and evolve on the Collegiate
• 49:29
  scene like some people in the sport both coach and athlete,
• 49:33
  make it really difficult to root for their success.
• 49:36
  I'll make it I'll make it real easy and so you know, just keep
• 49:40
  doing what y'all do. I'm certain it's going to be
• 49:44
  nothing but success, moving forward because that's what
• 49:46
  y'all do. And, you know, for me, yeah.
• 49:50
  Y'all have y'all made it very, very easy to be huge fans of
• 49:53
  both of these. So I appreciate that as a fan.
• 49:56
  And I think the governor can happen with this one as well.
• 50:00
  Wasn't it? Bigoted said nothing's changed
• 50:02
  but the number on the Range and wasn't look at them to the floor
• 50:08
  before you send it off. I mean, my time at Florida State
• 50:14
  in the wings and the ACC your time at Clemson, I noticed
• 50:21
  really, really early on that there was a there was something
• 50:26
  About you that I was drawn to you in terms of your energy in
• 50:31
  terms of your calmness in terms of how you dealt with your
• 50:34
  athletes. And I took a lot from you and
• 50:40
  you may not know this during that time, but you know,
• 50:44
  whenever we were at a conference or whatever, you know, there was
• 50:47
  always that moment at some point during the meet.
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  I would come over to the camp. We chop it up a little bit and
• 50:54
  then we go about our business, all right?
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  But I want to tell you that I do appreciate you for everything
• 51:01
  and you are someone in this profession that I look to to
• 51:06
  emulate look to in terms of your style.
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  So trust me you you are you you're being watching.
• 51:15
  You're being appreciated. Well, said it all the kind
• 51:20
  words, gentlemen, as I say all the time, I'm just the vessel in
• 51:26
  my prayer time. I just, you know, show me, show
• 51:30
  me the way, you know, and then I have to get out of My Flesh,
• 51:34
  sometimes should not be so stubborn, not to listen, mmm,
• 51:39
  that's when the problems into. So, I'm remember, as I told you
• 51:44
  many a time, if you want to make God laugh, Laughs, tell me what
• 51:47
  your plans are, right, I try to just sitting quietude and listen
• 51:53
  and try to continue to do is we let's all try to impact lives
• 51:58
  and, you know, you sometimes you get lucky enough to have a light
• 52:02
  like a bee and and some of the others, and you just have to
• 52:06
  make certain that you're doing right by them.
• 52:07
  So that's what I try to do. But I appreciate all the time
• 52:11
  words, I appreciate the opportunity to be on the LLC
• 52:16
  bojayá. It was it was interesting to
• 52:19
  hear how the concept evolved but made a lot of sense, but you
• 52:26
  guys are doing great for the sport.
• 52:27
  I think, you know, is the dialogue.
• 52:31
  You know, having an open Agenda in terms of what you discussed
• 52:35
  is great for the sport. So anytime you guys want me to
• 52:39
  come back and And chat with you. I'll be more than happy to be
• 52:42
  safe. I don't even know if you would
• 52:44
  want if you bring my homegirl to you.
• 53:10
  But it's been fun. You're welcome.
• 53:12
  Anytime. If you wait, you want to throw
• 53:14
  something out there. We will gladly, have you on the
• 53:17
  child to let you speak your voices?
• 53:19
  So thank you all so much. It was great chatting with all
• 53:23
  of you and me and you guys face to face and all that good stuff.
• 53:27
  So I really appreciate the opportunity and the thoughtful
• 53:30
  questions and doing your research about soccer and
• 53:33
  everything's fun to talk about another great good good.
• 53:38
  It was meant to be fun. Not noticed one quick party
• 53:41
  question. Who's your favorite soccer
• 53:42
  player? That's a good one.
• 53:46
  I gotta go Mia Hamm. She was legendary growing up.
• 53:50
  Legendary growing up when I was playing good answer, good
• 53:54
  answer. Well, you to get some rest
• 53:58
  tonight. Have a great rest of the week
• 54:00
  and we'll talk to you soon. Okay?
• 54:02
  Thank you so much. Bye we good.
• 54:09
  Awesome. Now that the Love Fest is over
• 54:13
  sheesh that was Scott was gushy and know.
• 54:17
  How could that not have been that way for all of it was
• 54:21
  heartfelt. I, I'm making fun of us but you
• 54:24
  know, we no one can ever watch. One episode of this show is say
• 54:28
  that we're not genuine. Listen, if I would have had a
• 54:33
  reason to get something Petty in there.
• 54:34
  I would have either one of the truest statement that are spoken
• 54:43
  by man, like, if I could have got pity, I would have, but I've
• 54:49
  had it happen. So lucious, by the way, Clyde
• 54:52
  was very complimentary of you. There's none in the show.
• 54:58
  Thank you Claude and of Ohio. Oh yes.
• 55:01
  Absolutely. Because he he's got Ohio Roots,
• 55:03
  he knows he knows how this role I do.
• 55:06
  I have a high Roots have Ohio ties.
• 55:08
  That's right. I would like to highlight
• 55:13
  because this wasn't recorded how when Abby mentioned to the
• 55:18
  program that she was going to be on tonight.
• 55:21
  The other Pros were like oh, you know, that show.
• 55:24
  Yeah, that's pretty cool. I didn't think that that was a
• 55:27
  thing. So, I mean, it helps when Lamar
• 55:29
  throw things out left and right and Center for them to be, like,
• 55:32
  hating on him on, but fugazi anyhow.
• 55:43
  So falling into line, we do have some questions and topics to
• 55:48
  address per the norm, regular not normal.
• 55:51
  I should say normal that we are. Far from normal.
• 55:54
  Regular occupancies of these tiles.
• 55:57
  We have two questions from the audience that were brought up to
• 56:00
  us and I want to throw them in the air and let's see.
• 56:03
  Jibber-jabber them out. So here we go.
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  Pardon me of these are not my words, so if I I stutter
• 56:11
  anyways, but if I started even harder and be gracious, male
• 56:16
  head coaches are often pushed persuaded and directed to
• 56:20
  ensure. They hire female coaches.
• 56:22
  Why are female head It is not held to be same directed.
• 56:27
  Mmm-hmm this one made me think and I don't know that I have an
• 56:33
  answer and I think, okay so oh I think I want to go first, this
• 56:48
  is what I'm clearly. The female coaching population
• 56:54
  is in the minority. And so, that is going to be,
• 56:59
  your biggest reason why the female coaches are not given a
• 57:03
  directive to hire males, because there's so many males that have
• 57:05
  jumped on me. And so, they're going to be
• 57:08
  giving the same directive of you go.
• 57:09
  Find females who are capable before you go find a male.
• 57:15
  That's that would be my take on it.
• 57:17
  I think, to be fair, this should probably be some balance here,
• 57:21
  but I don't know how you create that balance.
• 57:23
  When there's such an imbalance already, the number of male
• 57:26
  coaches versus female coaches, whether it be head or
• 57:29
  assistance. So okay, I did okay with that.
• 57:37
  Very well with that. So you did very well with that.
• 57:42
  If I understand the spirit of the question, I'll go in this
• 57:46
  direction. It cannot be understated and I
• 57:51
  will restate it because we should just set it.
• 57:55
  The female coaching population is a huge minority in this
• 57:59
  business. Like the numbers are totally out
• 58:02
  of whack. And because they are, I feel
• 58:09
  like a lot of Administrators or a lot of head coaches who are
• 58:14
  men. Feel like checking the box is
• 58:19
  good enough. And therefore if there's a woman
• 58:24
  as a head of a program that box is already been checked, so no
• 58:29
  one therefore is going to push in that direction.
• 58:34
  I don't know if that's right or wrong but I'll say this we can't
• 58:38
  let the tokenism of having a woman on staff.
• 58:42
  Be the starting and ending point to act like we're all doing
• 58:45
  better in that space. Think about it.
• 58:48
  If a female head coach had all-female staff, that would be
• 58:55
  a controversy, it shouldn't be but it would be, I'm a head
• 58:59
  coach if I hired all women underneath that would be a
• 59:04
  controversy it shouldn't be if I find Qualified people who so
• 59:10
  happen to be women at every position.
• 59:12
  I need rock with it, I'd love to do it right.
• 59:16
  But it India's it be a story man.
• 59:19
  May I ask what the controversy would be.
• 59:22
  I understand it would be a human, you know, it will be okay
• 59:27
  asking because, okay, I agree that would be a story and a good
• 59:31
  one. Yeah, I don't know what the
• 59:33
  controversy with it would be one of those it would be, I'm not.
• 59:37
  And I'm not talking about like front page of a newspaper
• 59:40
  controversy. I'm talking about the sideline
• 59:44
  hustle comments. I'm talking about the group
• 59:46
  text. Comments, I'm talking about the,
• 59:49
  you know, the conversations that we all are aware of and here of
• 59:53
  and live around, if the coach did that, you know, there be
• 59:58
  narratives out there like stupid narratives instantly like, oh,
• 1:00:01
  that's never going to work. Oh, the women are probably
• 1:00:03
  conspire against them. Oh, there's too much emotions on
• 1:00:06
  that staff. Like all kind of stupid things
• 1:00:09
  would be thrown into The Ether if any of that came to be.
• 1:00:13
  And so I'm not going to sit here and pretend I like it.
• 1:00:18
  Like administrator should be pushing for anything to the
• 1:00:22
  honestly. I that's just not my worldview,
• 1:00:24
  right? I think the best people should
• 1:00:25
  get hired but I think it's a really interesting question and
• 1:00:29
  I think that it's a thing that a lot of people don't really pay
• 1:00:32
  much attention to but we all need to do better.
• 1:00:36
  You know, minority hires in our business, you can look at it and
• 1:00:41
  say we do the best in our profession of Collegiate sport
• 1:00:45
  which we probably do. And you can also say we're not
• 1:00:48
  doing nearly enough, which were absolutely not.
• 1:00:51
  So I think it's a great question and I know we all can do better
• 1:00:56
  in that space. Um, that that question me when
• 1:01:02
  I, when I first saw it, I mean, a plethora of things went
• 1:01:08
  through my head in terms of, you know, from you could, you could
• 1:01:13
  approach this with snark is, you know, where are we going with
• 1:01:19
  this question? Like, you know, like really like
• 1:01:23
  you going to ask this question, why are we?
• 1:01:25
  But, uh, Ultimately, I think sir lucious answered the question
• 1:01:33
  and, and the bottom line is this, as long as women Remain
• 1:01:40
  the minority in or profession and not just a little minority.
• 1:01:45
  But a significant minority, there is going to continue
• 1:01:52
  athletic directors administrators are going to
• 1:01:55
  continue to Advocate for a woman.
• 1:02:00
  There is a need for diversity in our sport.
• 1:02:03
  Let's, let's call it what it is. There's a need for this, you
• 1:02:08
  know, I mean, and I feel like, you know, let's just take the
• 1:02:14
  second part of the, the question out of it.
• 1:02:19
  The woman that are capable of doing this job, the woman, that
• 1:02:24
  understand the stressors that come along with doing this job
• 1:02:29
  and understand how to motivate and how to cultivate and how to
• 1:02:34
  grow athletes of, they deserve to be in this profession and
• 1:02:42
  they deserve to get a chance. There is no question about that,
• 1:02:47
  okay? So, You know, and I'll leave it
• 1:02:52
  there. I'm just going to leave it there
• 1:02:54
  because, you know, we've already thrown the t word out there
• 1:02:58
  tokenism and all of that. The bottom line is this This job
• 1:03:05
  requires a very certain specific set of skills.
• 1:03:10
  And if you're equipped to do the job, then do you should be given
• 1:03:14
  that chance none of which have to do anything with gender.
• 1:03:18
  Absolutely. That's that's 100%.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah. So I'll just leave it at that.
• 1:03:26
  Poof. Yeah, so much to unpack here and
• 1:03:35
  I mean, listen, y'all know who I am, right?
• 1:03:37
  Like these are the kind of topics I think.
• 1:03:40
  Personally like in person every one of you has been with me when
• 1:03:43
  this kind of conversation has come up and y'all just popped
• 1:03:46
  popcorn and wait for my answer because you already know like
• 1:03:48
  somebody who said get it like so but I'm so I won't disappoint
• 1:03:54
  but I will just say this There is no question there need to be
• 1:03:59
  more females in every level of coaching in track and field.
• 1:04:06
  There's no question that there need to be more minorities.
• 1:04:09
  Spread out over a greater scope of event areas in track and
• 1:04:14
  field, but, but I want to say this, I got you guys have
• 1:04:20
  addressed, like, why the man are not given.
• 1:04:23
  I mean, female coaches, who were given the jobs who have earned
• 1:04:26
  the jobs. Let me say a prayer.
• 1:04:28
  We are not given that mandate, but I feel like all coaches
• 1:04:33
  should be given this mandate if you hire an assistant male or
• 1:04:38
  female, but I'm only going to address the females right now.
• 1:04:42
  If you hire a female assistant, it is your job to make them
• 1:04:47
  better as coaches than they were when you got them because the
• 1:04:53
  opportunities are always going to abound for them to move
• 1:04:57
  forward. Third and a who don't want to be
• 1:05:00
  in the way and be, you don't want to be one of the reasons
• 1:05:04
  they get promoted and they aren't ready because you have
• 1:05:09
  not fostered them and their skills when they were in your,
• 1:05:15
  you know, they were your, your assistance, you know, don't hire
• 1:05:19
  a female because she's a female but then not coach them up.
• 1:05:24
  Like, that's insane. Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  And that happened so many times. Times, right?
• 1:05:29
  And then, unfortunately, they have been a number of females
• 1:05:32
  who have then been promoted and they've been LED, like Lambs to
• 1:05:36
  the slaughter because they have jobs that they weren't prepared
• 1:05:40
  for and and I feel like the biggest disservice we do.
• 1:05:45
  So often with our young assistants, so I'm not even
• 1:05:47
  going to just pick on the gender part but for sure in this
• 1:05:51
  conversation is pertinent to the female assistants.
• 1:05:55
  If you have, if you have assistant coaches to, please
• 1:05:57
  teach, Them. Please make them better please
• 1:06:02
  because you are doing nobody a service by not advancing them
• 1:06:09
  and praying that they grow beyond the job that you have for
• 1:06:12
  them. It's your responsibility.
• 1:06:15
  It's your responsibility. Yes, it is.
• 1:06:24
  This is a quandary in my head all the time, so I don't know.
• 1:06:27
  You know, I like all the things that have been noted, you know,
• 1:06:32
  sitting in the seat where I do wonder and I don't know that
• 1:06:37
  this is common knowledge. Maybe it's assumed knowledge
• 1:06:41
  that like when we as females get hired a, my token higher or am I
• 1:06:47
  getting fired off Merit, you know, and the accolades or
• 1:06:51
  quote, unquote accolades So, it's hard, too.
• 1:06:57
  To have students of different you have to actually go there in
• 1:07:01
  your mind. Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  Problem it is a problem within itself.
• 1:07:07
  It's a huge problem but you know what?
• 1:07:09
  But you know what you and I had a female, a young female in this
• 1:07:14
  business. Ask me that exact question one
• 1:07:17
  time, but are they hiring me? Just because hmm, my response to
• 1:07:22
  her was the shit doesn't matter. Why?
• 1:07:25
  Just go kill it. Doesn't matter, you got in the
• 1:07:29
  door. So just go prove who you are.
• 1:07:32
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 1:07:34
  Because you've been given the opportunity and that and that's
• 1:07:37
  what, you know, it's not necessarily the answer or even
• 1:07:41
  dialogue that goes along with the question is at this point as
• 1:07:45
  a female who sits in that seat. Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Put it this way and I'm going to say it.
• 1:07:50
  So it's like in the most simplest way, if you're dumb
• 1:07:53
  enough to hire me to give me the chance to outshine, I'm going to
• 1:07:56
  do it. Hmm.
• 1:07:57
  That's one, that's what it is. And it's not about like, oh,
• 1:08:00
  stupid on you. It's, hey, you, let me come
• 1:08:03
  through the door, so watch out. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  And just get out the way, you know, and don't stop.
• 1:08:08
  And I think, you know, when you take away the, the description
• 1:08:12
  description descriptors of male and female or the the non
• 1:08:18
  genders, but so apologies, my bad.
• 1:08:20
  I'm sorry. The descriptors that should be
• 1:08:26
  the bottom line. Giving the opportunities not
• 1:08:28
  because you're gifting but because they, they have put
• 1:08:32
  themselves in the position to receive the opportunity.
• 1:08:37
  So, I mean, as females and obviously, I'm not a head coach
• 1:08:40
  yet and I haven't stopped Mesquite to be, like, even
• 1:08:45
  interviewed as such. But I would hope I would be
• 1:08:47
  given the director of, as give the people, the opportunity who
• 1:08:50
  need it, who deserve it, who of work for it, and you are ready
• 1:08:54
  for it, my counter, to the comments that were Were made
• 1:08:57
  about coaching up preparing the female coaches and whatever,
• 1:09:02
  then why? Doesn't that happen continuously
• 1:09:08
  with the men? Why are the men not guided as
• 1:09:16
  thoroughly as steadfastly? Is that a word?
• 1:09:20
  Everyone else steadfast as the females because we so, okay, I'm
• 1:09:25
  going to change that real quick. We do see many or some head
• 1:09:30
  coaches. Who happened to be male?
• 1:09:31
  That aren't ready for the position and fail.
• 1:09:34
  Oh yeah. But so, why is it that, like,
• 1:09:38
  you know, we talked about doing the The buddy system.
• 1:09:45
  Sure. Yeah.
• 1:09:47
  So Why do we see so much failure still?
• 1:09:51
  I mean, I think you see failure across the board, you know, I
• 1:09:54
  mean, and it's not any kind of official policy of mine, right?
• 1:09:58
  But there are people in this business who I have a buddy
• 1:10:02
  system relationship with right. I try to help them along their
• 1:10:06
  path. Some are men, some are women,
• 1:10:08
  some are black, some are white to me.
• 1:10:11
  None of that matters. It's can you coach?
• 1:10:13
  Can you do the job, right? But I'm not I'd be lying if I
• 1:10:19
  Ended like sitting in a head coach seat as a black male
• 1:10:25
  doesn't mean more to me than it than it would otherwise.
• 1:10:28
  Right? It does because if I screw this
• 1:10:31
  up, if I prove myself not to be ready for the job then that's
• 1:10:35
  going to make it that much harder for the next person who
• 1:10:39
  looks like me at my age to not get that opportunity, right?
• 1:10:43
  So for me anybody who's come under me as an assistant.
• 1:10:49
  Can't I do the best, I can to prepare them for the next thing,
• 1:10:53
  whatever that is because they're represent me once they leave,
• 1:10:56
  right? You know, being the Elder
• 1:11:01
  statement statement on this panel.
• 1:11:04
  Let me let me say this because I've dealt with this morning,
• 1:11:06
  anything else. The biggest issue we have with
• 1:11:09
  track and field in the guidance of young coaches is that
• 1:11:16
  everybody wants to come in and reinvent the wheel, right?
• 1:11:20
  Like it doesn't happen in football and basketball because
• 1:11:22
  it can't write because they're part of a structure, of part of
• 1:11:26
  a system and they're forced to run the system.
• 1:11:29
  Now when they Branch off, they might add to the system a little
• 1:11:33
  bit, but in track and field too many times is that these new
• 1:11:37
  assistants walk in and they think they've got it all figured
• 1:11:40
  out. So instead of diving in and
• 1:11:43
  listening to the head, coaches are calling mentors.
• 1:11:45
  Learn from the mentors, they're too busy trying to prove that
• 1:11:48
  they figured out track and track and field was figured out
• 1:11:52
  hundreds of years. I think the word that I would
• 1:11:57
  like to paint a broad stroke width on this.
• 1:11:59
  Ego. Oh absolutely.
• 1:12:03
  Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing and I come to that because
• 1:12:07
  just having a few mentoring conversations myself, recently,
• 1:12:11
  as you need to put your ego aside and follow suit, you don't
• 1:12:15
  have to agree. But you have to understand why?
• 1:12:17
  Or why not. You won't Implement such things
• 1:12:20
  going forward. So okay, sorry.
• 1:12:24
  Are we okay to move on? Sorry, I don't want to jump ship
• 1:12:27
  before we're ready. Hi question.
• 1:12:29
  Number two. I'm waiting for the eyebrows to
• 1:12:33
  pop up on this. Is there really a need for
• 1:12:36
  indoors at the pro level? And if there wasn't an indoor,
• 1:12:41
  what would help if there wasn't indoor?
• 1:12:45
  Would that help? Some athletes better prepare for
• 1:12:47
  the outdoor season especially if we're looking at having major
• 1:12:51
  championships every year. I don't like the second part
• 1:12:56
  question. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Go ahead. You know, listen sir lucious
• 1:13:08
  said, said this one time on the show, the best coaches are
• 1:13:12
  always going to figure out how to get it done.
• 1:13:14
  What once you tell them, what has to be done, right?
• 1:13:18
  So at the end of the day, if we removed indoors, Like it's not
• 1:13:23
  going to all of a sudden change the levels of some coach like
• 1:13:26
  indoors was really my Bugaboo but now I got it locked in like
• 1:13:30
  that's not a thing, right? So at the end of the day, like
• 1:13:33
  look, is there a need for indoors?
• 1:13:35
  No, there was never a need for endorse, right?
• 1:13:38
  It was it was the sport came about as a breakup of the
• 1:13:42
  monotony of training, right? So at the end of the day like
• 1:13:46
  sure there was never a need for it but is here and there's no
• 1:13:49
  reason to get rid of it. Like, I like because what I like
• 1:13:54
  the most about indoors is this, it gives you an opportunity to
• 1:13:58
  see people do like Femme cable run the 400 endorse.
• 1:14:02
  Okay, so there's that. But it also is a like it's a
• 1:14:06
  choice. Like literally you do not have
• 1:14:10
  to choose, do it. Do do indoors that you will not
• 1:14:12
  be penalized for it. So at the end of the day, like I
• 1:14:16
  look, I like choices, I think, you know, he or she who dies, at
• 1:14:20
  the most choices wins. Like so, so having choice I
• 1:14:23
  think is awesome. It gets an opportunity to show
• 1:14:27
  track and field on more televisions more often so yeah,
• 1:14:32
  keep it. But but like, is it necessary?
• 1:14:36
  Hell no, no, I'll be very short here in indoor is not needed by
• 1:14:44
  the definition of the word, but endure is awesome.
• 1:14:47
  And why would it go away? Yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Again You tell you literally could choose not to do it and
• 1:14:55
  everything's fine. But listen, indoor track is
• 1:14:59
  dope. It's, it's way more intimate.
• 1:15:04
  It's way louder. And because of the nature of the
• 1:15:08
  how things have to be because of the way, the structure of it is,
• 1:15:12
  you could almost argue it's differently just as exciting,
• 1:15:17
  right? Like indoor is, and the weather
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  is always great. So, I don't get it.
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  I don't want to get rid of indoor at All.
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  Pro indoor circuit is awesome. If you haven't been, you should
• 1:15:31
  go, you'll understand, it's great.
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  So if you don't want to do it, don't do it.
• 1:15:37
  If you want to use it as a training tool, used as training
• 1:15:39
  tool, but no reason to get it. I agree with everything that was
• 1:15:46
  said, you know, I feel like indoors is its own acquired
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  taste. And for those there those people
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  and I would say it's probably even more of a geographical
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  thing mean indoors for professionals.
• 1:16:09
  When you look at what they do over in Europe, compared to what
• 1:16:13
  they do over on this, in the Western Hemisphere, it's night
• 1:16:16
  and day. If you've ever experienced a
• 1:16:22
  professional indoor meet over in Europe, it will blow your mind.
• 1:16:27
  I mean, from light show, laser show, I mean, it is, it is
• 1:16:32
  awesome. It is absolutely a show.
• 1:16:36
  You you're in, you, you are a captive audience when you're in
• 1:16:40
  an indoor meet. And they can do so many things
• 1:16:44
  in that Arena. I mean it's fun and yeah, so if
• 1:16:50
  anything I would say the word operative word is, it's fun.
• 1:16:54
  Okay. I would not compare the indoor
• 1:16:58
  season to outdoor season there's no comparison whatsoever.
• 1:17:02
  The indoor season is is and there and there are athletes
• 1:17:07
  that absolutely gear up for indoor season and that is their
• 1:17:11
  prerogative, okay. But in terms of what the general
• 1:17:16
  world and the world in general looks forward to its Outdoors.
• 1:17:22
  So if it really comes down to what your preference is, I don't
• 1:17:27
  think it should be. I don't think you should get rid
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  of it. I don't think you should touch.
• 1:17:30
  It indoors is its own world. And it, leave it alone.
• 1:17:35
  Yeah, I mean, very well said, bye-bye, everybody.
• 1:17:38
  I think the biggest thing for me is like, it's a part of the
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  culture. So, part of what we've been
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  doing forever, and if you take it away now it's just going to
• 1:17:48
  kind of change like the feel of track and field.
• 1:17:51
  No, but I think the biggest thing here is like you guys said
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  that there's people that do indoors and do indoors well and
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  come out doors and Outdoors. Well, there's also people that
• 1:18:03
  you never see in doors and they come about And they do well.
• 1:18:06
  So it's just like, it's a preference, it's a choice.
• 1:18:09
  And I agree with Clyde. I mean, never never had that
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  whether indoors give me. Give me indoors at the Winter
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  Olympics. That's what I want.
• 1:18:21
  I want indoor track that a couple times recently.
• 1:18:25
  Mmm, you've never been to endure World Championship.
• 1:18:32
  You should probably do that. Yep, yes, Like that's one of the
• 1:18:35
  more fun track and field meets you'll ever go to.
• 1:18:39
  And the one thing I will say that is advantageous to indoors,
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  right? And it's okay this is a homer
• 1:18:45
  statement but also true. The field events are Way more
• 1:18:52
  Center Stage indoors than they are Outdoors.
• 1:18:55
  Because everything she can get away from closer and you can't
• 1:18:58
  get away from attended, right? But but but like, you know, look
• 1:19:02
  if you're a fan of the field events, you should probably like
• 1:19:07
  head to an indoor world championship and knock both of
• 1:19:09
  those two pieces out, right, you get to see some really, really
• 1:19:12
  high end worlds. World-class indoor track and
• 1:19:14
  field and you get to see like kind of a field of into Palooza
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  Well I know, right? I try that will be submitted to
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  Wikipedia, don't worry. Yes.
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  So well I entertainment from the audience, thank you very much
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  for those who continue to give us questions and who will give
• 1:19:41
  us questions in the future. Don't shy away from that because
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  it's not only you who thinks of these things.
• 1:19:47
  I'm sure there's other people who thought these things do.
• 1:19:49
  So please. Can you at those we are going to
• 1:19:53
  switch gears completely and play a nice round of.
• 1:19:57
  Would you rather nice as an operative word, obviously?
• 1:19:59
  At this point. But it is well, I'm not it's not
• 1:20:04
  my turn. Yeah, I know.
• 1:20:05
  So that's going to be nice. Oh, jeez.
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  Yeah, I am. Okay, this one it's not
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  pertinent but pretty or not. Anyways, would you have rather
• 1:20:29
  caught number 62 or been good with just seeing number 62.
• 1:20:36
  Wait. Repeat what?
• 1:20:37
  I have rather caught it or what? Or just seen it.
• 1:20:40
  Yeah. So you know it's funny million 2
• 1:20:44
  million or not? Yeah so like I mean it was a it
• 1:20:47
  was a whole quandary thought process on my head.
• 1:20:51
  Like as we were walking to our seats because I knew there was
• 1:20:54
  no way I could catch the ball, I was sitting behind home plate,
• 1:20:58
  right? So it's not possible, but it led
• 1:21:01
  me to ask myself. This quandary question, right?
• 1:21:03
  Like, if I was in left field and the ball got hit to me and I
• 1:21:07
  caught it, like, what would I do with it?
• 1:21:10
  It's so like, my first thought is like, Look, I wouldn't want
• 1:21:12
  to give it back to Aaron, judge. That's my first thought and then
• 1:21:16
  I'm like, I have kids, right? And like two million dollars.
• 1:21:24
  It's like it would be irresponsible of me to give it
• 1:21:29
  away. Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  Right is. It's okay.
• 1:21:32
  Like, it's weird to think it like that, because, like I said,
• 1:21:35
  I love the Yankees Isle of arran Judge.
• 1:21:38
  He's my youngest son's favorite player, right?
• 1:21:41
  Just to chance to meet him would be worth two million dollars to
• 1:21:44
  the Cool guy but two million dollars to pay for everybody's
• 1:21:48
  fool. Yeah I mean right so you can
• 1:21:51
  split the difference in cell. Yeah.
• 1:21:53
  So at the end of the day are you can't tell me that's that you
• 1:21:56
  gotta sell it to the to the people who want to buy it and
• 1:21:59
  let them deal with it. So I guess unfortunately, I mean
• 1:22:02
  I actually hate myself for this answer but it's honest I would
• 1:22:05
  rather have caught it. Wow.
• 1:22:09
  I mean it was awesome to see it but I mean it's the end of day.
• 1:22:11
  Listen. That's like asking me.
• 1:22:12
  Would you rather find two million dollars or not?
• 1:22:15
  All right. Well, I questions coming.
• 1:22:18
  Would you rather get rich by luck or by hard work?
• 1:22:22
  I would rather get Richard not really concerned with how and,
• 1:22:26
  and only, because an option, Here's the thing, I am hardwired
• 1:22:35
  to work hard, so it won't matter how I do it.
• 1:22:38
  So I guess I'd rather, I'd rather get rich by luck because
• 1:22:42
  it wouldn't change my work ethic.
• 1:22:44
  Got it like at all. Okay.
• 1:22:48
  Keep that work ethic at hand. Would you rather eat a cookie a
• 1:22:50
  day or a cupcake, a day? Cookie.
• 1:22:56
  I'm not even really a big cupcake guy, so a cookie leading
• 1:23:02
  into this delicious. I hope you're picking up, what
• 1:23:05
  I'm putting down right now. Would you wear pants that don't
• 1:23:07
  fit? Would you rather wear pants that
• 1:23:09
  don't fit or shoes that don't fit because shoes that don't fit
• 1:23:16
  is painful? I mean, they both could be
• 1:23:20
  painful. Yeah.
• 1:23:21
  Good luck with shoes. What shoes that don't fit our
• 1:23:24
  painful. You have no choice that is going
• 1:23:26
  to be painful too big or too small.
• 1:23:28
  That's a problem. Okay, well, in those pants with
• 1:23:32
  a cookie with that money that you have, would you rather go to
• 1:23:35
  the mall during a holiday season, or to the amusement park
• 1:23:39
  on a summer weekend? Oh, amusement park.
• 1:23:44
  No summer weekends. Yeah, I'm a fan.
• 1:23:47
  I don't care. That's one of the few scenarios
• 1:23:51
  where I don't mind the people. And this one is just for poops
• 1:23:57
  and Giggles, would you rather read subtitles or listen to
• 1:24:00
  dubbed, voices? Great question, actually
• 1:24:05
  definitely listen to voices because I grew up on Kung Fu
• 1:24:09
  theater. I mean that that was my European
• 1:24:14
  life in a nutshell. Yes.
• 1:24:16
  Yes. What we did hundred percent?
• 1:24:22
  I cannot chew. I cannot appropriately.
• 1:24:25
  Tell you how much I love with subtitles.
• 1:24:29
  I can't stand subtitles, first of all, Chuck, doesn't like to
• 1:24:34
  read, let's start that it's distracting.
• 1:24:38
  Let's start don't even see what's on the screen.
• 1:24:41
  Because you're just reading. Subtitles are not the greatest
• 1:24:47
  but but listen dubbed invoices, is that just absolutely
• 1:24:52
  hilarious. It's like your own personal
• 1:24:54
  version of Mystery Science. Theater 3000, Yep.
• 1:24:58
  I'm a nerd greatest movies I've ever watched where subtitles I
• 1:25:02
  mean and I but again when you've spent 13 to 14 years of your
• 1:25:08
  life over there and you appreciate the language and yeah
• 1:25:12
  I mean there's some you've missed out Clyde, I'm telling
• 1:25:16
  you there's there's some very very good movies out there that
• 1:25:21
  you know you get you get sucked in you know but I have no doubt
• 1:25:26
  book because I thought But you've read the whole book, so
• 1:25:31
  I'd like to read either, by the way, governor governor I don't
• 1:25:34
  disagree. I'm sure there are the problem
• 1:25:36
  is, I will never see him because I'm too busy reading the damn
• 1:25:39
  straight. Well, I didn't see nothing
• 1:25:45
  again. It's a book.
• 1:25:47
  Pretty Christmas Clyde is getting books.
• 1:25:49
  Is getting books on tape for sure with that.
• 1:25:55
  Oh my gosh. Okay, the floor is yours.
• 1:26:00
  Okay. 62, would you rather spend 48 hours with Barack Obama or 48
• 1:26:08
  hours with Martin Luther King jr.
• 1:26:10
  Hmm. You know, there was a, it was a
• 1:26:15
  long time ago where that did that conversation would have
• 1:26:18
  been very very difficult for me. It's a big it's not anymore was
• 1:26:24
  an I love em. Okay, he's my frat brother, but
• 1:26:27
  if I had 48 hours unfettered With Barack Obama.
• 1:26:31
  Listen eggs, I could die and go to heaven.
• 1:26:35
  What? And that's why I put in, that's
• 1:26:36
  why I put him, okay, and it was I knew it was your frat
• 1:26:38
  brothers. Oh yeah, I'm just going to say
• 1:26:44
  this like he is, he is definitely the most under
• 1:26:48
  underappreciated American human who will one day be the most
• 1:26:53
  appreciated. Absolutely.
• 1:26:55
  Right. Like that man is going to age
• 1:26:59
  beautifully. Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Like because I can smooth right now when Jimmy Carter was a
• 1:27:03
  president, nobody cared. Hmm right.
• 1:27:07
  But then there was this time we're like Jimmy Carter's like
• 1:27:12
  the sage like everybody wants to talk to Jimmy and I'm like okay
• 1:27:16
  if that will happen to Jimmy. Carter trust me.
• 1:27:20
  What will happen in Barack Obama's aging.
• 1:27:23
  Life is going to be a thing of beauty.
• 1:27:30
  All right, I'll go next. Good because I have a really
• 1:27:33
  Petty one for him. Awesome.
• 1:27:35
  I was pretty, I was praying, I get a petty Clyde question
• 1:27:38
  today. She's would you rather have
• 1:27:41
  Beyonce's Talent OR Jay-Z's business Acumen?
• 1:27:45
  I've seen that question and I've refrained her a good time.
• 1:27:52
  I mean, that's an easy one, Jay-Z's business, acumen, Yeah.
• 1:28:01
  I mean, at the end of the day, when you get older, you realize,
• 1:28:03
  like, knowing what to do with the money is more important.
• 1:28:06
  More important than having the ability to make it.
• 1:28:09
  Yes. Right.
• 1:28:11
  I think about the think of that power meeting, right?
• 1:28:13
  Because Beyoncé is not a flub. Like she's got business Acumen
• 1:28:17
  to maybe not to this. I'm not going to hit this up.
• 1:28:22
  All right, now to a, we're not doing that, but nothing but at
• 1:28:26
  the end of the day, like, if you want a really want to
• 1:28:28
  trance-like, right? And even I won't say a better
• 1:28:31
  question is, I don't wanna disrespect your question, but
• 1:28:33
  I'll say this, there are people if you ask that question about
• 1:28:36
  Shaq, that would get that wrong. Mmm.
• 1:28:39
  You asked what you rather have sex Talent or have sex business
• 1:28:42
  Acumen. There are people who will be
• 1:28:43
  like, oh, I take Shacks talent and I'm like, you're an idiot.
• 1:28:47
  Well, that check is well on his way to be in a bill.
• 1:28:49
  Ian Ayre, and he's definitely a better businessman than he was a
• 1:28:51
  basketball player. He's a Hall of Famer.
• 1:28:53
  Yeah. So the question like, the real
• 1:28:55
  question is, would you rather have had his NBA career?
• 1:28:59
  Or would you rather his post NBA career, post NBA career.
• 1:29:03
  Many people would absolutely get that wrong for sure.
• 1:29:08
  Removing all right, sir. So this may be my best.
• 1:29:13
  Betty. Would you wrap OKC night-night
• 1:29:16
  now you setting it up. You set yourself up for failure
• 1:29:18
  now because you know you will high bar.
• 1:29:20
  Oh it is but it's so perfect for you.
• 1:29:23
  Would you rather acknowledge 62 or 73?
• 1:29:29
  Hmm. Again, I think for other people,
• 1:29:37
  this question is more difficult. So lucious is no me the longest.
• 1:29:43
  So he'll this will bring the most true to him.
• 1:29:49
  From the time, I was like three years old, things being fair,
• 1:29:52
  mattered more to me than anything on the planet.
• 1:29:55
  Right? And I just, I hate cheaters, do
• 1:29:57
  I think Barry Bonds is a first-ballot hall-of-famer, my
• 1:30:00
  talent, even without the 73 without question that the end of
• 1:30:04
  the day, if you are on growth hormone and other things that
• 1:30:08
  are illegal and you hit 70, three home runs, I don't even
• 1:30:10
  care if the reasons why you did it, I can understand because I
• 1:30:13
  definitely can. I'd rather have The righteous 62
• 1:30:18
  home runs, then the questionable 73.
• 1:30:24
  Hmm, like they're not close to me.
• 1:30:26
  I'm not one of those people who's like, we need to strike
• 1:30:28
  Barry from the record books and Nadia you want to know why?
• 1:30:31
  That's not my job. That's baseball job.
• 1:30:33
  They got a mess to figure out, and they can't.
• 1:30:36
  They're not trying to think of the word without saying a bad
• 1:30:41
  Micra word. They don't have the stones to
• 1:30:46
  police themselves. Right.
• 1:30:49
  Look if Barry. If we're going to treat Barry
• 1:30:53
  like a pariah, so he's not going to Hall of Fame.
• 1:30:55
  Right then why we still have his record.
• 1:30:58
  This is. Yeah, right.
• 1:31:00
  You can't. Yeah, I don't, I don't get that.
• 1:31:02
  You can't have it both ways. Like he either is or he ain't
• 1:31:07
  Right? If 762, I think it is whatever I
• 1:31:10
  think it's 762 and and 73 are the records that someone has to
• 1:31:15
  pursue. The Barry should have been in
• 1:31:17
  the Hall of Fame, like six years ago.
• 1:31:19
  Yeah. But if he's not going the Hall
• 1:31:21
  of Fame, why don't we still? Why we chasing these records?
• 1:31:23
  Hank? Aaron 755 is the answer.
• 1:31:28
  I agree. And and listen, we all, we all
• 1:31:31
  understand both for practical and you know, real life reasons
• 1:31:37
  you're the baseball guy here, right?
• 1:31:40
  I grew up a baseball fan and that seems to be the question of
• 1:31:44
  the week, right? Or the question of the past
• 1:31:46
  month, like, which side of this, which side of this, are you on?
• 1:31:50
  And I've heard smart things on both sides of it.
• 1:31:55
  What you just said, ranks right up there with any of them.
• 1:31:57
  I just you know if you're an actual fan of the game it might
• 1:32:02
  be a tough question for some people.
• 1:32:04
  So, good job, sir. I just feel like it.
• 1:32:08
  Thank you. But I just feel like baseball
• 1:32:11
  just refuses to police itself. You know, like I wasn't old
• 1:32:17
  enough for when this happened but I am old enough to the
• 1:32:21
  initial conversations about it, right?
• 1:32:24
  People love Babe Ruth so much that when when Roger Maris and
• 1:32:29
  Mickey Mantle were pursuing the record people were okay with
• 1:32:33
  Mickey Mantle breaking the record because he was talented
• 1:32:36
  enough and he's a favorite son. Yankee, Roger Maris was was a
• 1:32:42
  traded for Yankee and he Not worthy.
• 1:32:46
  And You know, he had death threats, this is craziness but
• 1:32:51
  then he breaks the record and what does baseball do.
• 1:32:56
  They they are so married to their love to Babe Ruth that
• 1:33:01
  that initially for like the first 15 years, the Roger Maris
• 1:33:04
  had the record, it was listed with an asterisk because Babe
• 1:33:08
  Ruth hit 60. Home runs in 154 games and Roger
• 1:33:11
  Maris hit 61 home runs and 162. And I was just like you guys
• 1:33:17
  serious. If you check, listen football
• 1:33:20
  now has 17 games right before they had 17, they had 16 before
• 1:33:25
  they had 16. They have 14.
• 1:33:27
  We don't put any of the NFL records in with an asterisk.
• 1:33:31
  Because the NFL knows that's dumb. well Lamar, I mean the
• 1:33:37
  when, when Pro Sports football basketball, baseball, decided to
• 1:33:45
  move into this category, and you know, exactly what category, I
• 1:33:50
  mean, you know, the idea that Any drug involved in fractions
• 1:33:59
  are literally under one policy. So as a fan, it's easily
• 1:34:08
  dismissed. Right?
• 1:34:10
  The bottom line is, we have to put the product on the field and
• 1:34:14
  they have to continue to do super heroic crazy things.
• 1:34:20
  That is what drives a sport. So it's amazing to me, you know,
• 1:34:26
  and I've been watching Ever, Since Aaron judge, hit hit that
• 1:34:29
  home, run that the pundits. they aren't even afraid to voice
• 1:34:37
  their support for Barry Bonds, their support and their love for
• 1:34:43
  McGuire and Sosa and and how much they romanticize that still
• 1:34:51
  And it doesn't matter that these folks were on drugs and are not
• 1:34:56
  because the things are so muddled.
• 1:34:59
  Now that it doesn't matter anymore, it doesn't matter
• 1:35:04
  anymore. Well, the funny part is like if
• 1:35:06
  you're if you're He's Frozen. Well battery, I don't know, hold
• 1:35:22
  on to that time shirt with the sleeves and that's that's your
• 1:35:27
  key to wrap it up to ya. Not being said, everyone have a
• 1:35:34
  safe week, enjoy yourself dressed up.
• 1:35:37
  If you're going on fall break, like some of us are enjoy fall
• 1:35:40
  break because it's the quiet before the storm.
• 1:35:43
  That's what I keep saying, everybody.
• 1:35:45
  So have a great week, everyone. And we'll see each other soon.
• 1:35:49
  Bye. Well, the last come on remote
• 1:35:54
  stick to running with the lights.
• 1:35:55
  Come on opponent smash the ramen.
• 1:35:57
  Would you like it warm hot knife through butter to film or knock
• 1:36:01
  them off their rebuttal. So now I mean by the way, to you
• 1:36:05
  for a little tough love much when arms little brothers
• 1:36:08
  Athletics. See these four corners wouldn't
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  be here but we have to start mining.
• 1:36:24
  You gotta understand. It's Gotta Catch Stars.
• 1:36:27
  Show you how to fight for? Show us who you are, you lack
• 1:36:30
  experience, but still you want to tell and who is have drunk to
• 1:36:33
  yourself. Kind of small heads prevail when
• 1:36:36
  the backbone strong. Gotta Give A Promenade won't
• 1:36:39
  last long bastard, do this until the session and if you don't
• 1:36:44
  check yourself and that's wrong just trying to give you the real
• 1:36:47
  chance for so why you keep cutting us off.
• 1:36:50
  Off to a small. We put it in slow-mo what you
• 1:36:53
  fast for it.