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Sequels Showdown! - Everything I Learned From Movies (EILFM Crossover) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Grand Touring Motorsport started as a social group of car enthusiasts,
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  but we've expanded into all sorts of motor sports disciplines and we
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  want to share our stories with you.
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  Years of racing wrenching and motorsports experience brings together
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  a topnotch collection of knowledge and information through our podcast.
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  Break Fix.
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  Yeah.
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  Hey everybody.
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  I'm Steve.
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  And I'm Izzy.
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  And we're with everything I learned from Movies and Tonight.
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  Oh, too Nice.
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  We're talking car movies with break fix.
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  Woo.
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  That's right.
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  Tonight.
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  Tonight.
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  Tonight in one of the ultimate No Prep Showdowns of the year, we
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  attempt to pit original versus remake in a best of car adjacent movies.
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  Drag Race.
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  That's right and the movie Buffs.
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  Steve and Izzy, from everything I learned from movies, are joining us
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  tonight on this Car Nerds versus Movie Buffs Break Fix crossover episode.
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  So why do we get this drag race started?
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  Wait, we're not racing for pinks, are we?
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  I'm not sure that's up to them.
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  Look, I got a lot to put on the line here.
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  I drive a 96 Honda Accord and I'm sorry.
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  I'm very sorry for you.
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  I got some hot wheels.
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  Oh, I just found my micro machine.
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  So yeah, there we go.
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  Uh, I can talk almost as fast as the micro machines guy.
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  I'm getting close these days.
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  You know, it's the Red Bull really doesn't talk that sometimes you can
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  talk really, really fast, especially if you've had a couple of good drinks.
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  But yeah.
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  So let's hit the stage a little bit.
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  Let's hit the rules, just like our, what should I buy episodes.
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  I think this one deserves a little bit of context for our listeners.
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  Just like in the car world, the movie world is often debated, you
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  know, new versus old, is Star Wars episode one just as good as a new
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  hope or, you know, vice versa?
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  The answer is.
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  Yeah, maybe, but in some cases, absolutely not.
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  The rule of sequels comes into play.
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  The Joel Shoe micro versions of Batman were terrible, and we all know that
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  the Tim Burton ones are fantastic.
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  I'm just gonna leave it at that.
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  That being said, cars are also remade over and over again and their original
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  image and sometimes, you know, morphed into something completely reimagined.
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  But they're always sequels.
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  So are they better?
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  And so let's try to answer those questions about car related movies
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  and whether they are better.
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  And let's talk about the cars that are featured in those films.
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  Steven?
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  Izzy, why don't you kick us off?
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  What do you wanna talk about first?
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  Look, if you guys are gonna sit around here and justify the Bronco two, I'm out.
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  No, but I wanna correct Eric on something.
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  These aren't sequels to the original movies.
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  These are remakes.
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  This is like a new Thunderbird, I mean.
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  Yeah, well, we'll talk about it.
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  You guys heard our, uh, gone in 60 seconds episodes, kind of how we were introduced.
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  Uh, absolutely.
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  Let's, let's start with the old versus new for Gone in 60 seconds.
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  Absolutely.
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  And we too did a movie Mixed Bag episode where we talked about the
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  original Gone in 60 Seconds and that movie Trash, it's tragic.
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  It really is.
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  I mean, it's, it's akin to the Red Death, holy crap.
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  Right.
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  The DMV safety videos they used to show you in like the eighties and
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  stuff like this might happen to you if you don't wear your seatbelt.
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  That that movie is, if GTM members.
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  Had an unlimited budget and said, Hey, let's make a movie.
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  And by and unlimited you mean 20 grand and a six pack and about 15 Mustangs.
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  Hell yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  True.
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  Well, but but but it was back in the seventies so you could
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  get 'em for like $2,000.
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  That's true.
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  And legend has it according to our researcher.
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  Right.
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  We always have to fact check some of the stuff we do.
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  There was only one Mustang used in that movie.
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  It's the same pile of crap through that entire 90 minutes.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh wow.
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  Even Dukes of Hazard had a couple spares.
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  They had like 79 chargers they use over the course of that show.
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  Yeah, and there's another one to talk about remakes and sequels there too.
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  The Duke's a hazard.
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  Oh, Jessica Simpson Hutch and, oh God.
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  Oh, that was terrible.
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  Its Snoop Dog was Huggy Bears when Thirsty Met Hutch.
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  So let's reference for those that don't know, the 1970s classic.
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  Gone in 60 seconds.
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  HB Helleck used a 74 Mustang, which actually wasn't a Mach one, but he
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  modified to look like one, which was the hot ticket upgrade package
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  for the Mustang at that time.
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  And he did all his own stunts, much like Jackie Chan, Jason
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  Statham, and Tom Cruise.
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  But it didn't turn out so well for Eleanor at the end of the movie.
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  As you guys, you know, kind of walked that through for the audience.
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  And most people can't stand to make it through that film.
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  But when gone in 60 Seconds with Nicholas Cage came out, I think they just.
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  Turned the whole thing on its nose.
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  67 GT 500 Mustang.
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  Where'd that come from?
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  I mean, Eleanor, the original one wasn't one of those.
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  Does that make it better?
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  Does it make it worse?
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  I don't know if the acting was any better in the second movie.
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  What about you?
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  Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Academy Award winner, Nicholas Cage as Memphis Range.
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  We almost named our cats after that character.
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  He said, we, Cameron and Poe, you know.
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  But did Nicholas Cage come into himself yet at that point,
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  compared to other movies?
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  Just after the Rock and Con Air and Face Off and, oh, yeah.
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  Leaving Las Vegas, which he won an Academy award for.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  This, this was before, you know, the, the divorces downturn, the,
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  yeah, the divorces of the team.
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  This was his heyday.
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  Yeah, this is Peak Nicholas Cage.
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  Action star.
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  You kidding me?
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  This is like the end of the peak.
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  This is like National Treasure Nicholas Cage.
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  This is how he earned all his money to buy all those castles and shit.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean Rex T-Rex skull and Yeah.
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  And, and various wives from other nations and Yeah.
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  And I hear the Ferrari in National Treasure was his too.
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  So a little bit of millionaire trivia there.
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  Yeah.
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  Before the bill collectors took it and the, uh, it was, and the
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  pyramid that he purchased for the uh, the sequel that didn't get made.
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  Oh yeah.
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  National Treasure three St. Louis Cathedral number one.
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  Check it out.
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  You know, I would've watched that movie 'cause I was a big fan of the first two.
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  So, Hey, I am just saying hate everybody.
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  I'd still watch it.
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  I should probably let the listeners at home know that, uh.
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  Nicholas Cage is the, probably the patron saint of our podcast.
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  We have interviewed his brother, a bunch of his directors, his standin.
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  So we're coming for you, Nick.
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  We're kind of circling around his stand in.
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  Actually.
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  He'll get wind, I think.
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  What exactly are you, what exactly are you circling though?
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  That's what I want to know.
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  The Nicholas Cage, we're we're, I'm sorry.
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  We are orbiting Nicholas Cage and eventually we're gonna crash
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  through that atmosphere and boom.
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  Since you're a satellite or moon around Nicholas Cage, is there
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  a, is there a name for this?
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  Steve, what is the name of our podcast?
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  From movies and all the major pod catchers and follow us at EIL F movies
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  on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.
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  Brilliant.
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  So also Steve's nickname is Ship Plugger Steve.
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  'cause you plug Arch anywhere.
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  That's right.
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  Nice.
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  Oh, and then I mentioned Patreon because us $2 a month Anyway.
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  But I have to say Nicolas Cage is so desperate right now.
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  I'm surprised that he hasn't actually called you guys to come on your show.
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  Look, look.
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  He's far too busy to be talking to us.
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  Yeah.
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  But uh, here's the thing.
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  Everybody thinks he's desperate.
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  Yeah.
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  Nichols Cage is really at a really interesting point in his career because
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  he's free to do all these little movies.
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  He's doing so many characters right now.
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  Free to do has to do, oh no, he is, he's going through and like
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  choosing wildly different characters and putting a cage spin on him.
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  Like, if you keep watching these, he's doing some really,
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  really interesting stuff.
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  And by the way guys, think of it this way.
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  If he were to do, you know, national Treasure three and get $20 million,
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  how much of that does he actually get?
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  Five, how many you'll compare to his ex-wives and managers?
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  Oh, well, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a, it's like trickle down Reaganomics at that point, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  So he's like, just getting enough to get by and, you know, the, the tax
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  man or whatever's like, well, we can't have this guy living out of a shoebox.
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  You know, he's like the, uh, the Hollywood version of Michael Strahan.
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  He had to keep playing in the NFL to appease his ex-wife.
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  Yeah.
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  Or, or he just goes, wherever Wesley Snipes went after demolition, man,
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  you know, it'll be okay in 20 years.
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  It'll be fine.
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  Two steps ahead of the tax man.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Be, but yeah, he's able to express himself different ways to all these odd things
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  that he wouldn't be able to do if he was.
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  I don't know, playing Nick Fury or something in the Avengers
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  movies or something like that.
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  Yeah, he, he gets to do a lot of different characters.
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  I'm gonna point to a Willy's Wonder world.
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  Willie's Wonderland.
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  Yes.
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  Willie's won Wonderland.
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  That's it.
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  Or where was Will's?
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  I dunno.
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  That movie is amazing and he doesn't say a word.
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  I think where he's peaked though now for me is that, what is it?
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  The history of curse words or whatever he did on Netflix.
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  Yeah, that was good stuff.
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  That was fantastic.
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  Some best comedy ever.
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  I'd say the first two or three episodes were fantastic,
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  and then it kind of went on.
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  Yeah, and that was not Nick Cage's fault, that was the writer's fault.
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  You could tell where they lost.
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  Steam and we're just make having fun.
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  The whole premise of that show was around fuck.
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  And then they didn't know what to do after that.
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  A hundred percent.
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  Wait, is Dick a bad word
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  we're gonna talk about?
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  Heck yeah.
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  So going back to this drag race between the, the original guy 60 seconds.
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  Yeah.
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  Try.
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  Is that what we're doing here, Memphis?
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  So going back back to the Drag Race, I love RuPaul.
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  What?
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  Yes.
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  But the reason I say is the new one better than the old one?
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  Yes.
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  And is the acting any better in the new one than the old one?
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  Yes.
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  Is, well, I'll put it this way.
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  The old one didn't have much in the way of dialogue.
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  And in those old seventies movies, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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  If you've ever watched the movie Lamonts by Steve McQueen, there's about three
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  minutes of acting and talking in a three hour movie, and it's glorious.
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  And more, more of those old films should be that way.
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  However, when you get to the new Gone in 60 seconds, there's just some really just.
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  I wanna say cringey stuff with Giovanni Robi and, uh, you know, what's her face?
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  Angeline, Angeline, Julie?
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  Yes, but what Sway or whatever her name is.
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  But what gets me is, is Nick Cage basically acting much
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  like a young William Shatner.
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  Like every time I watch the movie, I'm like, there's.
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  A car in a C container.
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  Oh, let's get it.
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  And you're just like, come on man.
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  What is this?
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  He's playing the straight man, the deep one.
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  He's, he's lived too much life already.
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  Yeah.
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  They all can't be, you know, Delroy Lindo and Robert Duval and Hai McBride.
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  Both movies though are very much of their time.
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  Yeah.
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  Like a hundred percent something.
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  They're like looking at Gone in 60 Seconds as like a new movie.
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  But that movie's like 25 years old now.
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  Yeah.
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  It it be what, 2000 I think when it came out.
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  Yeah.
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  There are people listening to this podcast that were born after that movie came out.
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  Did you see the, uh, the road sign on the way into the podcast
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  that says BoomTown Exit now.
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  Welcome, welcome to Boomer.
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  You're here, BoomTown.
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  That's all right.
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  I'm pretty sure we're geriatric millennials at this point.
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  I thought we were elder millennials.
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  Oh Lord.
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  Zals.
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  I would say, if we're gonna put some numbers on this, I'd say off
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  the line, big old burnout, both of 'em hit you in the face right away.
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  I mean, big clouds of smoke from both movies that get your attention.
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  I think in the eighth mile, they're pretty much tied in terms of
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  satisfaction and entertainment.
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  But when it comes down to, what did you get outta the movie at the end?
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  My vote is the new one wins and so does the new Eleanor.
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  And for one big reason, nobody has a picture of a 74 mock one
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  Mustang on their bedroom wall.
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  I think everybody of our generation probably and still has a picture of
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  the GT 500 Eleanor in their garage or in their wall or somewhere in their.
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  Yeah, that's a good point.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Would you guys agree?
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  I think the new one definitely wins over the old one.
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  Yes.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, it it's got like the jokes like it's very nineties, but it's a fun nineties.
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  Yeah, it has like a hacker's element to it with cars.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  I was a certain age when it came out.
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  I'm a hundred percent in it still holds up now though.
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  I will agree.
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  I mean, both have their place in cinematic history.
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  I mean, the original gone in 60 seconds for everything that went into that movie.
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  The mass amounts of illegal things they did in that movie.
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  When you really dive into that film, it's a big wow factor.
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  And we do cover it on that other episode.
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  So, you know, I'm not gonna belabor that point.
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  So I think both of them have their place in history, much like an old
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  Mustang drag racing against a new one.
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  Right.
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  It's cool to see them side by side, but I think we gotta move
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  on to another film that's just as.
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  Awkward.
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  But, but, but before we move on, so the, if we're keeping score, the
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  new movie is up by one and the old movies are down to zero still, right?
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  Yes.
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  Just make sure we keep, keep track of that and now we'll continue.
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  So, vanishing point.
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  Vanishing point.
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  Yeah.
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  The original vanishing point with the 70 Challenger and the
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  naked girl riding a motorcycle.
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  Oh yeah.
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  That shit, that's pretty hard to beat.
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  I'm not him alive.
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  That movie is amazing.
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  I wanted to be Kowalski and I was born 20 years too late for that.
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  Your dad was Kowalski though?
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  Oh yeah.
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  My dad was probably Kowalski at one point.
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  Steve's dad was a canine cop.
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  Yeah, he had the aviators and the mustache.
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  So picture that movie, but with a dog in the seat.
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  And that was Steve's dad.
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  So I agree with you, and it's another one of those seventies films where the
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  amount of dialogue is next to zero.
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  I mean, how many times does Barry Newman actually talk in that movie?
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  At all, right?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  The, the, the talking versus nudity in that movie, it's like, yeah, they're woke
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  about five minutes and the rest is just, you know, being, and that motorcycle
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  scene can be deleted and it doesn't take away from the film, but of course not.
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  But it does add having it in, but it adds much value.
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  But, you know what does really bring it home for me though, is like the,
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  uh, I can't remember the name of the guy who was the, in the radio
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  booth and was kind of egging him on and giving him all the pointers.
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  Immediately my mind goes to Poodie Tang.
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  Yeah, why love that movie?
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  Chop the Towel.
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  The other one can what a t But in the other corner, in, in lane
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  number two is an actual remake of the seventies Vanishing Point with
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  Vigo Mortenson and Jason Priestly.
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  I haven't seen this one.
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  I can't seem to like really find it anywhere streaming, but found out about
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  this, uh, like a year or two ago and I was like, holy shit, Vigo did this.
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  I, I gotta see it.
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  Yeah.
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  I didn't realize you hadn't seen that.
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  I think this is like that Sinbad Kazam movie that like, it doesn't
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  exist, but everybody thinks it exists and they've seen it.
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  We all saw that movie.
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  It's legit.
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  Yes, we did.
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  It's a conspiracy.
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  So I happen to see this movie and I think I have a copy somewhere.
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  I gotta go dig it up.
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  And I will say, when the cars pull up to the Christmas tree.
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  It's the same car.
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  It's not.
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  Chrysler used this as an excuse to debut the New Challenger
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  because it was too early for that.
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  Right?
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  The new Challenger didn't come out till the two thousands.
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  So here we are in 1997 and yet another 70 71 Challenger RT in White.
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  Same thing.
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  It's the same story.
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  It's a literal remake.
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  It's not even a sequel.
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  It's not even reimagined.
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  There's more dialogue.
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  Vigo Mortenson plays a role.
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  It's, I'm gonna just put it that way.
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  Yeah.
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  But Jason Priestly plays Kowalski in the movie.
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  And if you have, if you've seen the original movie, it
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  ends pretty much the same way.
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  Nothing really earth shattering there.
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  It was just like, Hey, did you guys hear about this film
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  that we did in the seventies?
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  Oh no.
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  Well, here, check this one out.
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  Well, okay, so it sounds like the original's gonna take
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  this one far off in a way.
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  Like, like, like the other one blows a tire or something off the line.
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  What about 2000 sixes or six or eight?
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  I forget.
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  Death proof where we get the 70 Challenger.
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  Driven by like Zoe Bell and uh, yeah, uh, Sidney Poitier and all that.
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  The lady Sidney Poitier.
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  I dunno.
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  So if we're, if we're gonna do it, if we're gonna do it as a drag
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  race and we got Kowalski in lane number one, Jason Priest is out.
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  He just got thrashed.
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  Yeah.
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  This next challenger pulls up in lane number two.
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  I think it's another thrashing by the original Challenger from Banishing
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  Point with Kowalski behind the wheel because of the originality of
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  that film, because of its epicness.
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  I mean, it's got a cult following.
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  Anything else we'd bring to the line with a challenger outside
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  of maybe fasten the Furious.
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  Six or seven or 12 or 14, however many, however many gear shifts they
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  use on a, in a quarter mile is the only thing that might stand up to it.
• 16:23
  But I think Kowalski wins every time.
• 16:25
  Yeah.
• 16:25
  So going back to death proof real quick, because one, Eric, I think you're wrong.
• 16:29
  So is this the Quentin Tarantino double feature death proof?
• 16:33
  Yeah.
• 16:33
  From the Grindhouse double feature?
• 16:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:35
  Okay.
• 16:35
  So, so that one wins for sure because of the story and everything.
• 16:39
  And I think that movie's awesome.
• 16:41
  Honestly, this is an unpopular opinion.
• 16:43
  I did not like the original vanishing point.
• 16:45
  I was bored to tears.
• 16:47
  I fell asleep like two or three times.
• 16:49
  Uh, so I'm not gonna lie, I am.
• 16:52
  Sort of with you entertainment value wise?
• 16:56
  It's not the highest, but I respect it the way that I respect, like Citizen Kane.
• 17:01
  Yeah.
• 17:02
  It's not what I refer to as like a, uh, it's what I refer
• 17:05
  to as like a popcorn movie.
• 17:07
  It's like, yeah, put it on.
• 17:08
  I'm gonna watch it.
• 17:09
  I'm gonna consume it.
• 17:10
  I'm gonna enjoy it.
• 17:11
  But I so appreciate what it did for car movies and the industry and everything.
• 17:17
  And yeah.
• 17:17
  The, the second one is sort of like the remake of Psycho.
• 17:21
  Did we need It?
• 17:22
  Is it a bad version?
• 17:23
  No, but did we need it at all?
• 17:25
  Vigo only plays two characters.
• 17:26
  He plays stoic and he plays a wooden board that everybody else acts around and he
• 17:33
  kind of would, wouldn't morden this one.
• 17:35
  I swear I saw a wooden board with the same name at IKEA once.
• 17:39
  Right.
• 17:40
  Well I have to say we have to times stamp this episode 'cause this is the first
• 17:44
  time in human history where Banishing Point has been compared to Citizen Kane.
• 17:49
  Right.
• 17:49
  Ah, that's true.
• 17:51
  That is a first.
• 17:53
  Yeah, it's like eh, you know, it's like, yeah, I respect Easy Rider, but Torque
• 17:58
  or Biker Boys is so much better because it ticket that next level biker boys
• 18:06
  because the new kids and you know it.
• 18:08
  That's right.
• 18:10
  Death proof wins this race and it's not even in it.
• 18:13
  I think it's a bracket race and they all come in at the same time
• 18:16
  because that's the way it works.
• 18:17
  These, these two Honda Civics are running and then the deaf proof charger
• 18:22
  comes barreling past them on the highway and laughs as it drives by.
• 18:26
  All right.
• 18:26
  I'll give you that.
• 18:27
  I'll give you that.
• 18:28
  Somebody put a blower on that Challenger and that's why it's
• 18:31
  winning compared to the other two.
• 18:32
  Normally aspirated.
• 18:34
  71 Charger rts.
• 18:36
  All right, let's go with that.
• 18:37
  With five cylinders comes outta nowhere, plow race over.
• 18:41
  Next up to the line in the left lane is Mel Gibson, 1979 Ford Falcon, XBGT from
• 18:50
  Mad Max and Tom Hardy and Charlize Theron in the 2015 remake of Mad Max Fury Road.
• 18:57
  My heart, I love all of them so much.
• 19:00
  Yeah.
• 19:01
  I'm gonna make it even closer.
• 19:02
  Let's go Road Warrior versus Fury Road because Okay, the,
• 19:07
  the original Mad Max 1979.
• 19:09
  Love the Aussie movies from the seventies.
• 19:12
  So many great stuff.
• 19:13
  Yeah, definitely.
• 19:13
  Just the, an Aus exploitation movie.
• 19:15
  A hundred percent.
• 19:16
  Yeah, it, it's fantastic.
• 19:17
  The story of, it's basically Mel Gibson's a cop and is it post-apocalyptic
• 19:22
  or just Outback Australia, where the law really doesn't mean much.
• 19:25
  All of the above.
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  That, that's just the outback.
• 19:28
  That's just how it is even today.
• 19:30
  I mean, if you watch Top Gear Australia, it's like an episode of Mad Max.
• 19:34
  Yeah, there we go.
• 19:35
  But then when we get to Road Warrior, then it's like, okay, this
• 19:38
  movie, this, this is a world now.
• 19:40
  Same car though.
• 19:41
  Same car.
• 19:42
  So, okay.
• 19:43
  And same limp.
• 19:44
  He's got the same limp.
• 19:45
  It is.
• 19:45
  He's doing a stanky leg.
• 19:49
  And then Fury Roads just probably the best movie I've seen in 10 years easily.
• 19:53
  Steve, who was my favorite character when we came out of watching Fury Road.
• 19:56
  Oh, the war rig.
• 19:57
  It was the war rig.
• 19:58
  The war rig, absolutely.
• 19:59
  That truck is phenomenal.
• 20:01
  Da.
• 20:06
  The thing that gets me about that though is they would've been the bad guy
• 20:09
  cars in the original Mad Max trilogy.
• 20:13
  Yeah.
• 20:13
  We're pulling up to the line with basically an armored truck or a tank
• 20:17
  against this Ford from Australia.
• 20:19
  So how do we compare that, right?
• 20:22
  Because I guess the equivalent obstruction bur Yeah, exactly.
• 20:25
  Yeah.
• 20:25
  Mad Max demo derby.
• 20:28
  Remind me, how did the cars end up, didn't it get destroyed in Fury Road?
• 20:33
  The Warrick?
• 20:34
  Uh, yeah, no, the, the Falcon or, uh, well the Falcon survived
• 20:38
  two and a half movies, right?
• 20:39
  'cause it was there at the beginning of Thunderdome Thunderdome
• 20:42
  and then he a abandons it.
• 20:43
  So I would say longevity wise, it lasted longer than the, uh, the
• 20:47
  war wagons and all that kind stuff.
• 20:48
  What happened to those vehicles?
• 20:50
  Inferior.
• 20:50
  I'm trying.
• 20:51
  Remember the war rig?
• 20:52
  Oh, they blow it up.
• 20:52
  No.
• 20:53
  Yeah, that's right.
• 20:53
  The, uh, the, in the beginning or whatever, the wild boys or whatever.
• 20:57
  Catch up to 'em and take him to the prison, wherever.
• 21:00
  I assume they dismantled it or something, or not, you know, at
• 21:02
  the, the end of the movie, remember they sacrifice it to get away.
• 21:05
  Oh shit.
• 21:06
  That's right.
• 21:06
  That's the one that blows up at the end.
• 21:07
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:08
  Because like, I legit almost cried.
• 21:10
  Yeah, that's right.
• 21:11
  That wonderful 3D moment where he got like the steering wheel coming
• 21:14
  at the screen and my, because my husband leaned over and was like, they
• 21:18
  always kill your favorite character.
• 21:22
  That's awesome.
• 21:23
  So Brad, let's, let's think about that.
• 21:25
  Is that a forfeit on the part of the new movie because the vehicle didn't survive?
• 21:29
  I guess we're not lumping in all, like the trilogy, the Mad Max
• 21:32
  trilogy, just the first movie.
• 21:34
  Technically, or the second movie, road Warrior is the second movie.
• 21:37
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  Okay.
• 21:38
  Because, because if we're throwing in Thunderdome, then
• 21:40
  it's like Schrodinger's cat.
• 21:41
  We don't know if the car survived or not.
• 21:45
  So we bring in the Gyro captain.
• 21:47
  Yeah, the gyro cop.
• 21:50
  I mean, I think at the race world, the Falcon wins.
• 21:53
  There's the coolness factor there, the the cult classic side of it
• 21:56
  from just the car perspective.
• 21:57
  I'm sorry.
• 21:58
  The war rig doesn't have a coolness factor.
• 22:00
  No.
• 22:00
  You know why?
• 22:01
  Because Eric Bana makes the Falcon super cool when you watch the movie
• 22:06
  Love the Beast because he owns one of those XB gts and that just brings
• 22:11
  the, the wow factor to like 11.
• 22:13
  But Charise Theone actually owns a war.
• 22:15
  A war rig.
• 22:17
  If we're going by coolness.
• 22:18
  Wouldn't the real winner be the guy with the flame thrower guitar
• 22:20
  and the speakers behind him?
• 22:21
  Yes.
• 22:23
  Yes.
• 22:23
  Yeah, that's true.
• 22:24
  Giant speaker truck, that guy.
• 22:26
  Yeah.
• 22:26
  Mm-hmm.
• 22:26
  Guitar G wins for coolness.
• 22:32
  And see, I say that and you all know exactly who I'm talking about.
• 22:35
  Yeah.
• 22:36
  And then that same character ended up in that Jack Black video game
• 22:39
  that was all about like death metal.
• 22:41
  And they had vehicles like that.
• 22:43
  How do we run this race?
• 22:44
  Which is better.
• 22:45
  Well, I mean, the war rig gets its Academy Award nomination 'cause she
• 22:49
  sacrifices herself to save the others.
• 22:51
  So that's true.
• 22:54
  Best supporting actress.
• 22:55
  Best actor.
• 22:55
  Supporting actor.
• 22:55
  Yeah.
• 22:56
  But as movies go, they both, again, kind of have their place in history in a way.
• 23:01
  Because yeah, that that whole Mad Max trilogy had been untouched.
• 23:05
  And then we know that Mel Gibson became persona non grata.
• 23:09
  In Hollywood, like a lot of other people recently, and
• 23:11
  then they decided to redo it.
• 23:13
  It was a big wow factor there.
• 23:14
  So I'm wondering if maybe this is a draw.
• 23:16
  We'll say they're in different race classes or something, so Yeah.
• 23:20
  Yeah.
• 23:20
  It's, yeah, the wind has to go to the original because people still talk about
• 23:26
  the original people don't talk about Fury Road unless you bring up Fury Road.
• 23:30
  Um, that's a valid point.
• 23:31
  I bring it up every week.
• 23:33
  No, I was gonna say, somebody doesn't listen to very many movie podcasts
• 23:37
  or some, and somebody definitely didn't go to Comic-Con, you know, in
• 23:40
  the befall full time because there is tons of fur fan art out there.
• 23:45
  Are there a lot of war rig, uh, cosplays out there?
• 23:48
  Oh, that'd be great.
• 23:49
  Oh my God.
• 23:50
  I would, that's new Conga line.
• 23:51
  I mean, we have, we, we have Mad Max Furry Roads.
• 23:56
  Featuring osa.
• 23:58
  Whoa, that's a different con.
• 23:59
  On, on our wall.
• 24:01
  It is.
• 24:02
  Mad Max's cats with the war rig in the background.
• 24:05
  And next to that is our artwork.
• 24:07
  Clever Wives, where it's the war rig and all the wives have been
• 24:10
  replaced with Velociraptors.
• 24:12
  So they talk about Fury Road all the time.
• 24:15
  Yes.
• 24:16
  The rest of the world is like, what?
• 24:19
  Yeah, we and the cool cats talk about fear ruin nonstop, but no, so
• 24:24
  I'm thinking, I, I, I don't know.
• 24:25
  I we gotta, we gotta figure this out.
• 24:27
  I'm, I'm feeling like two points to the vintage Lane One and maybe
• 24:31
  one point to Lane two right now.
• 24:32
  Like the old movies are winning and we're competitive.
• 24:35
  We like to keep score.
• 24:36
  Yeah.
• 24:36
  Well, if Vanishing Point didn't win old or new, I mean that Death Proof won that
• 24:41
  races, but Death Proof is considered new.
• 24:44
  So we're putting that in lane two.
• 24:45
  Right.
• 24:46
  So that's one point for new, since we brought up the Majestics, Charlize Theron,
• 24:51
  why don't we just slip right into the dms?
• 24:54
  Love the Italians job.
• 24:56
  Woo.
• 24:57
  I love these movies.
• 24:59
  Yeah, they're both pretty good.
• 25:00
  Michael Kain and Marky Mark Marky.
• 25:02
  Marky the fucking Mo.
• 25:05
  And I've said it before and I said it on the episode with Brian, I was like,
• 25:08
  I have a soft spot for Michael Kane and it's gonna be one of those soul crushing
• 25:12
  moments when we get that notice that says, you know, Michael Kane has, has left us.
• 25:17
  Right.
• 25:17
  And, and that I had that same moment when Ron Williams passed
• 25:20
  and a couple other people.
• 25:21
  And I'm just like, oh God.
• 25:23
  Yeah, exactly.
• 25:24
  And you're just like, oh, it's like, it's just, it's earth shattering.
• 25:26
  Any Michael Kane movie for me gets mad props.
• 25:29
  I'm like, I think he's excellent in everything he's done.
• 25:31
  I haven't seen a bad movie yet.
• 25:32
  Even Alfie was, so Jaws revenge is your favorite Jaws movie.
• 25:35
  Hundred percent.
• 25:36
  Hundred percent.
• 25:37
  Anything with Michael Kane?
• 25:38
  I am on board, so, but the Marky Mark and the funky bunch version
• 25:43
  of the Italian job With what?
• 25:44
  Seth Green, Edward Norton, Jason Statham, Mo Death, and whoever
• 25:50
  that random guy they called Wrench.
• 25:52
  That was supposed to help out Handsome Rob.
• 25:54
  Like who was that dude?
• 25:55
  Right.
• 25:58
  But you know, I recently rewatched this film and it's
• 26:01
  got some definite replay value.
• 26:03
  Right.
• 26:04
  It's a lot of fun.
• 26:05
  That is a super fun one.
• 26:07
  It's a lot like gone in 60 seconds that way.
• 26:09
  Like maybe even a little more so just 'cause it's a little more,
• 26:12
  uh, a little more stylized I guess.
• 26:14
  I don't know.
• 26:14
  It's of its time.
• 26:16
  Yeah.
• 26:16
  Well, it's a little bit more James Bond, I feel.
• 26:18
  It's got this espionage feel to it versus like your classic
• 26:22
  Michael Kane film where it's like, all right guys, here's the plot.
• 26:26
  We're gonna go rob a bank and they rob, they rob a bank and
• 26:29
  that's the end of the movie.
• 26:29
  You know, you're like, all right, whatever.
• 26:31
  Yeah, it's a lot like Ocean's 11 kinda.
• 26:33
  Definitely exactly's 11 vibes.
• 26:35
  Yeah.
• 26:36
  It a heist movie.
• 26:38
  Yeah.
• 26:39
  One's a job movie and one's a heist movie.
• 26:42
  That's true.
• 26:43
  I did like, and I don't know if you guys picked up on this,
• 26:45
  'cause again, I recently rewatched this with kind of new eyes.
• 26:48
  All the little hints and little clues and little throwbacks to the original movie.
• 26:52
  One of the obvious ones, Charlize comes out in an original mini,
• 26:55
  which by the way was a classic mini, but a relatively new one.
• 26:58
  If you look at the interior, because they built those alongside.
• 27:02
  Of the next generation minis, right up until the early two thousands and whatnot.
• 27:06
  Okay.
• 27:06
  But there was some, also some other hints they talk about, oh, just like
• 27:09
  we did in the Italian job, you know, referencing, you know, not even
• 27:12
  just the beginning of the movie with Donald Sutherland and all that kind
• 27:15
  of stuff, but even the original movie.
• 27:16
  But one of 'em that got me, and you gotta pay really close attention.
• 27:19
  There's a scene where marking Mark and Seth Green are doing a like
• 27:24
  surveillance and they're looking across the street from another building
• 27:26
  into this guy's like apartment.
• 27:27
  And they're watching it and they're like, oh yeah, blah, blah, blah.
• 27:30
  And all this guy does it.
• 27:31
  He is like watching TV and on the screen is Michael Kane and you
• 27:35
  have to see it through the blind.
• 27:36
  So that's one of the other little kind of subtle, you know, nods
• 27:39
  back to the original movie.
• 27:40
  He's, yeah.
• 27:41
  And I thought it was super cool.
• 27:42
  So it's full of stuff like that.
• 27:43
  If you're really like, kind of nerd out on it, it's a, it's a lot of fun.
• 27:47
  Nice.
• 27:47
  Yeah, it is been a while since I've seen the original, but we watched the new one.
• 27:51
  What.
• 27:51
  A month or two ago.
• 27:53
  Yeah.
• 27:53
  I mean, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
• 27:55
  I can give it that.
• 27:55
  Super, super fun.
• 27:56
  And then in Hobbs and Shaw, they have an Italian job reference
• 28:01
  when they go into hiding.
• 28:02
  And Jason Statham has his, like his burner cars and there's a
• 28:06
  mini, and they mention like, yeah, it's for a job, just a little job.
• 28:11
  I will say in the original movie, the heist part of it and the whole,
• 28:15
  you know, the way they orchestrated the traffic lights and all that
• 28:18
  kind stuff, it was kind of cool.
• 28:19
  It was different.
• 28:20
  It was part of that, just the making of that film.
• 28:23
  The acting was what it was for the time and it was good.
• 28:25
  Michael Kane, sir Michael Kane, right?
• 28:27
  He always does a great job and I think there's two big moments.
• 28:30
  In that film, one is the chase scene itself, you know, through the tubes and
• 28:34
  they're rocking the car and doing, you know, running through the buildings and
• 28:37
  all that was super cool, but it wasn't overly exaggerated, like the cargo payload
• 28:41
  that they were moving in, those old Austin minis wasn't literally 2,700 pounds like
• 28:46
  they were trying to do in the new movies.
• 28:47
  So the realism was a little bit more acceptable, I think in the old film.
• 28:53
  For me it wasn't, you still have to suspend disbelief, but it wasn't
• 28:56
  like over the top exaggerated.
• 28:58
  The other big moment in that film is actually the end of the movie where you
• 29:02
  know, they're celebrating and then they, everybody's cheering and whatever, and
• 29:05
  then they turn the bus sideways and then they're hanging off the cliff and they
• 29:08
  literally leave you in a cliffhanger and you're like, okay, whatever.
• 29:11
  But in the second movie.
• 29:12
  There's just so many things where you're like, uh, really?
• 29:16
  I know I've driven those cars.
• 29:17
  I've instructed in those cars.
• 29:18
  They can't do that well, but they talk about how they retrofit 'em.
• 29:23
  Yeah, yeah.
• 29:23
  They do the throwaway line.
• 29:24
  Yeah.
• 29:25
  Suspension's been uploaded so we can load the 2,700 pounds.
• 29:28
  Yeah.
• 29:28
  You know, they had that little course.
• 29:29
  They've been, you know, practicing their drifting on and all that stuff.
• 29:33
  Yeah.
• 29:33
  Yeah.
• 29:33
  We upgraded, steering the suspension on these.
• 29:35
  They're not like your regular one.
• 29:36
  And, and then yeah, basically takes it to the realm of, okay, and now
• 29:40
  they're all bat mobiles or whatever.
• 29:41
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 29:43
  Exactly.
• 29:44
  Like, I like that trope.
• 29:45
  That's why I like the Fast and Furious movies.
• 29:47
  You have the one throwaway way line, like, don't worry about it.
• 29:49
  I modified it and then it's like, yeah, you have a fucking Batmobile now.
• 29:52
  And I, I bought a foot it, no, I got magnets.
• 29:56
  I like that trope in movies.
• 29:58
  And I love the trope where one character doesn't speak any English and
• 30:01
  everyone understands them perfectly.
• 30:03
  Those are two of my favorite tropes in movies.
• 30:05
  That was in the Fast and Furious too, right?
• 30:07
  The two dudes with the, the trash truck and I forget which.
• 30:09
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 30:10
  Which one it is.
• 30:11
  Uh, like Leo and Bragga or something.
• 30:13
  Exactly.
• 30:14
  Now I will say this, I have to give mad props to the sound
• 30:17
  engineers in the new movie.
• 30:19
  One of my major pet peeves with car films is them basically just
• 30:23
  regurgitating soundtracks from other cars and they don't mash up.
• 30:27
  And classically a. A lot of TV and film and I mentioned this on the episode with
• 30:31
  Brian, they tend to steal the sound of a nine 11, which is extremely distinct.
• 30:35
  Flat six has a weird sound.
• 30:38
  The one thing I gotta give to this movie is they actually used
• 30:41
  the sounds of a proper mini.
• 30:42
  You hear the supercharger wine, it's a four banger.
• 30:45
  Even the shots from the outside, it's got that raspiness to it.
• 30:48
  I'm like, cool.
• 30:49
  They did it right for a change.
• 30:50
  It's not like a Hemi V eight and we're looking at these little go-karts
• 30:53
  running around la Yeah, terrible.
• 30:57
  It drives me nuts like so I was, I get mad props Major points to this movie for that.
• 31:02
  We live on a mountain road and if somebody exhaust or muffler is loose,
• 31:08
  every car can sound like it's gotta VE It or Trash Truck, one or the other.
• 31:16
  Now, I am disappointed that they didn't make a sequel to this
• 31:19
  movie, and I had heard rumor.
• 31:21
  Of the title.
• 31:22
  Do you guys remember what that was?
• 31:23
  The French job?
• 31:24
  You'll like it.
• 31:24
  The Blow job?
• 31:26
  Yeah.
• 31:26
  The space job, the Brazilian job.
• 31:29
  Ooh,
• 31:33
  and that's a Fast and Furious Five.
• 31:35
  Yeah, fast five.
• 31:35
  The baseball.
• 31:36
  Yeah.
• 31:36
  That's just the end of Fast and Furious five.
• 31:38
  Exactly right.
• 31:39
  So it all comes full circle.
• 31:41
  It comes full circle.
• 31:42
  Jason states finally gotta go to Brazil.
• 31:46
  I'm thinking we got these two minis at the line revving their
• 31:49
  motors all, you know, less than 200 horsepower that they make combined.
• 31:53
  I think my vote goes to lane number two for the new movie because it's
• 31:56
  much more fun as a ton of replay value.
• 31:59
  You really have to be into old films to really like the original Italian job and
• 32:03
  watch a Michael Kane movie on repeat.
• 32:05
  So I'm thinking my vote goes there.
• 32:07
  What about you guys?
• 32:08
  Oh yeah, I'm for the second one.
• 32:09
  Again, I, I love the original one and I love that all the
• 32:12
  Easter eggs are in the remake.
• 32:15
  Like that makes the remake even better for me.
• 32:17
  But yeah, the second one.
• 32:19
  The second one's just got the high entertainment value.
• 32:22
  And imagine how fast thoses cars can go once you take all that gold out.
• 32:25
  Right?
• 32:27
  You could probably like drive up the side of a building or something,
• 32:29
  like they're gonna borrow 'em from the fast and furious universe.
• 32:33
  Yeah.
• 32:33
  Magnets maybe.
• 32:34
  Yes.
• 32:35
  To use a drag raising term, I think we could give lane number one, the
• 32:38
  vintage mini 15 in the kick and that new car is still gonna beat him.
• 32:43
  Either way.
• 32:43
  Well, he is got a broken axle,
• 32:47
  one wheel drive.
• 32:49
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:50
  Since we've been talking about both Michael Kane and Jason Saham,
• 32:54
  there's two movies that are, we're gonna kind of unpack here, which
• 32:57
  are also car adjacent movies.
• 32:59
  I think I just wanna start with yet another Michael Kane movie.
• 33:03
  And this one is a little different, but staying with the whole heist idea,
• 33:07
  gangsters, you know, all that kinda stuff.
• 33:09
  And that's Get Carter, I think this is a lesser known and underappreciated
• 33:14
  film and a lot of people don't realize there's actually a remake of this
• 33:17
  movie in 2000 with Slice Stallone.
• 33:21
  So pulling up to the line is both of the Get Carters.
• 33:24
  Hey guys.
• 33:25
  I'm gonna be honest, I haven't seen either.
• 33:27
  I didn't know Get Carter was a remake until like three years ago.
• 33:31
  Blasphemer Get Carter, like, it's not like Get Mustang or something.
• 33:37
  Like I didn't, all I knew about Get Carter was, yeah, there's
• 33:40
  a Stallone movie about it and I think he's a gangster or something.
• 33:44
  Like, I completely lost interest as.
• 33:47
  From the trailer, I had no idea it had anything to do with cars.
• 33:49
  Okay, hold on, hold on.
• 33:51
  I'm gonna nerd out for a moment.
• 33:52
  Get ready.
• 33:53
  You guys can come back in 10 minutes, take a pee break, whatever.
• 33:56
  But the original movie is based on a series of books, which are excellent.
• 34:01
  And so they made this original film with Michael Kane and Michael Kane
• 34:04
  is the good guy, gangster, right?
• 34:06
  His brother is killed.
• 34:07
  It's tied up into all this kind of stuff and he wants to exact revenge.
• 34:11
  So he goes on this, you know, 90 minute tirade of going
• 34:14
  after people and hunting down.
• 34:16
  Who the killer is and this whole kind of like the prisoner's way, who is
• 34:19
  number one and who do you work for?
• 34:21
  You know, that kind of like, just vibrato, right?
• 34:23
  Like all films of that era and especially European films, it ends tragically.
• 34:27
  So I don't wanna give away the ending.
• 34:29
  Put it this way.
• 34:30
  There are some really interesting car chase scenes in that movie.
• 34:33
  There's with some vintage British cars, you got a Sunbeam Alpine, you've
• 34:36
  got a Jaguar xj, and they're chasing around some stuff in a parking garage.
• 34:40
  It's kind of cool.
• 34:41
  And then I will spoil this part, spoiler alert that, uh, one of the characters,
• 34:46
  he knocks her off literally off of a pier and, uh, you know, takes out his revenge
• 34:51
  by keeping her locked in the trunk as the sunbeam sinks into a, into a lake.
• 34:56
  The interesting part about the new movie is it kind of
• 34:58
  took everybody's by surprise.
• 34:59
  Kind of like, you know, Stallone did Oscar.
• 35:02
  And you're like, what, what is this about?
• 35:04
  It's like clue, right?
• 35:05
  But kind of set to a musical, but not Tim, Tim Curry's in both of the films.
• 35:09
  And so it's the same premise.
• 35:11
  It's the same story, but it's, it's, it's much grittier, it's much
• 35:14
  darker, it's actually much more graphic and it gets your attention.
• 35:18
  But what nails you right away is the soundtrack.
• 35:21
  And most of the soundtrack is done by like Mint Royale.
• 35:24
  It's a lot of like techno and synth wave and stuff like that.
• 35:27
  And it really draws you in because it's, the soundtrack is designed
• 35:30
  to go with the action in the film.
• 35:32
  But what's really cool about this, and if you really nerd out on the film, you
• 35:37
  realize that Michael Kane is in the second movie and he plays the opposite role.
• 35:44
  The remake.
• 35:45
  Right.
• 35:46
  So that makes it super cool and it makes a tie in back to the original film.
• 35:50
  Awesome.
• 35:50
  Car Chase scenes in that movie.
• 35:52
  Slice Stallone is behind the wheel of a Cadillac, DTS, so it's a Deville and
• 35:56
  it's a Jaguar that he's being chased after just like in the original movie.
• 36:01
  So it's yet another tieback, yet another throwback to the original film.
• 36:05
  And unlike Vanishing Point where it's like, eh, okay, the
• 36:08
  acting's actually really good.
• 36:10
  The soundtrack is good.
• 36:11
  It keeps you engaged.
• 36:12
  I've showed it to a bunch of people and they're like, wow, I didn't even
• 36:14
  know this film, like was a thing.
• 36:17
  And then they get hooked For me, I, I really enjoy this and I think it's
• 36:20
  awesome and I can't recommend it.
• 36:22
  You know enough, the new one's streaming on Hulu, so we'll definitely have to
• 36:25
  check that out in uh, yeah, definitely.
• 36:27
  The old, the old one's on like Amazon for like four bucks, so.
• 36:30
  Exactly.
• 36:30
  But I gonna say, I think we have a third contender that's gonna pull up since
• 36:34
  we've mentioned Sylvester Stallone.
• 36:36
  Oh yeah.
• 36:36
  And vintage cars.
• 36:38
  One of our favorite Stallone movies with a spectacular car, Cobra.
• 36:44
  Oh, I knew you were going there.
• 36:47
  Mer.
• 36:47
  With the 50 Mercury Monterey, such a terribly bad good movie.
• 36:52
  It's the best movie where the main character cuts cold pizza.
• 36:56
  Eat pizza with scissors.
• 36:58
  I mean, it has all the same tropes as like commando and, and some of those
• 37:02
  other ones where it's like, you know, we have to save the damsel and distress, and
• 37:06
  you're like, oh God, here we go again.
• 37:08
  But it still has that Rambo flare to it, which I guess kept me engaged when
• 37:12
  I was younger, but rewatching it now.
• 37:14
  I don't know.
• 37:15
  It's kind of cringey.
• 37:16
  I could watch Get Carter all day long.
• 37:17
  I mean, like eyes wide shut, not so wide shut, uh, clockwork Orange style
• 37:21
  with my eyes, you know, glued open.
• 37:23
  I, I'd be okay with it.
• 37:25
  I think a Better Stallone car movie is Driven.
• 37:29
  Driven, yeah.
• 37:30
  Oh, Winnie Harland maybe.
• 37:33
  Can you hear me hitting my head on the table?
• 37:35
  Not, not the expendables, any of them.
• 37:37
  I was thinking you were going there, but Cobra was like my gut reaction,
• 37:41
  but I thought you were gonna go there.
• 37:41
  'cause he drives that whole Chevy pickup.
• 37:43
  We can't, we can't do expendables.
• 37:44
  They drive motorcycles and planes and that.
• 37:47
  He's always got the car at the very beginning and the very end.
• 37:49
  'cause he's gotta bring his personal car in.
• 37:51
  Oh yeah, that's right.
• 37:52
  That truck is super cool.
• 37:53
  I mean, oh, that truck is so good.
• 37:55
  I mean, it has more skulls than I usually go for in a vintage vehicle
• 38:02
  that was done by like guys at Gotham Works' Garage.
• 38:05
  I think they like, they love that stuff more than me.
• 38:07
  Like Hood emblem or the gear.
• 38:09
  And the gear shift.
• 38:10
  It's just asking to be pulled over.
• 38:11
  Right?
• 38:12
  A hundred percent.
• 38:13
  I mean, if you can catch it, I mean it's a profiling for a reason.
• 38:16
  What do we think, I mean, I know you guys aren't the experts on
• 38:18
  this movie, but based on the way I pitched and positioned this, do you
• 38:22
  think it's a draw between the two?
• 38:23
  Like they're both worth.
• 38:25
  Investigating and engaging.
• 38:26
  We'll just call it a zero.
• 38:27
  It's a no win for either side.
• 38:29
  Yeah, but they both sound great.
• 38:31
  I know.
• 38:31
  I haven't seen the second one or the, the remake.
• 38:33
  I genuinely don't remember if I've seen the first one or not.
• 38:37
  Yeah.
• 38:37
  Might be one of those like, wait, was that, am I thinking Italian job or
• 38:40
  am I thinking get Carter or Right.
• 38:42
  Or Mr. Brown or Dirty Rotten Sund drills could be anything that's true.
• 38:46
  Jaws four phi, you know, whatever.
• 38:51
  I thought that movie was about an alpha, a male, and I was severely
• 38:54
  disappointed when I watched it, but, you know, hey, whatever.
• 39:00
  Yeah, I, I would call it a draw.
• 39:02
  We're good.
• 39:02
  So we're tied Two.
• 39:03
  Two.
• 39:03
  New versus old.
• 39:04
  I'm okay with that.
• 39:05
  We mentioned Jason Statham, and he's been in a ton of car movies.
• 39:09
  I mean, you name dropped Fast and Furious, Hobbes and Shaw.
• 39:12
  I mean, we gotta say the transporter, especially the original one, right?
• 39:15
  Oh, yeah.
• 39:16
  Expendables.
• 39:17
  Exactly.
• 39:17
  I mean, knives are faster than guns.
• 39:20
  We all know that, right?
• 39:21
  Yeah.
• 39:22
  Yeah.
• 39:23
  They say bring a knife to a gunfight.
• 39:25
  Duh.
• 39:25
  That's a cliche for a reason.
• 39:27
  One of my favorite scenes in that movie was literally that scene where he is like,
• 39:31
  let's go, you know, there's all these guys, all the terrorists standing around.
• 39:34
  They're like, what are, what are they arguing about?
• 39:36
  And then bullets and knives start flying.
• 39:38
  It's fantastic.
• 39:40
  And Dolf, lre iss just epic too.
• 39:42
  I mean, come on.
• 39:42
  You know he's spectacular.
• 39:44
  Yeah.
• 39:44
  And then in the sequels, when they talk about like what happened to him, drugs.
• 39:49
  He used to be a rocket scientist.
• 39:51
  You know he is actually a chemical engineer.
• 39:55
  Oh yeah.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:56
  Oh yeah.
• 39:56
  Oh, it's a coolest thing.
• 39:57
  You chemical engineer that Grace Jones went, Hey, that guy's really good looking.
• 40:00
  You wanna come with me and be in a movie?
• 40:01
  And then from there, his first movie, James Bond View to a Kill.
• 40:06
  We could segue for a moment and talk about James Bond, the best
• 40:09
  James Bond movie View to a Kill.
• 40:12
  I have said this on other podcast.
• 40:14
  It is the essential oil of James Bond movies.
• 40:16
  It is Every James Bond trope distilled down into its purest form.
• 40:21
  You don't have to like it, but that is the most James Bond movie that exists.
• 40:26
  One of Connery's last ones, right.
• 40:28
  No, that's Roger Moore's last.
• 40:30
  Oh, Roger.
• 40:30
  That's where I thought, okay.
• 40:31
  Okay.
• 40:31
  Yeah.
• 40:32
  Is he the best bond?
• 40:34
  No.
• 40:34
  Oh.
• 40:35
  I mean, I like your, we've had debates though.
• 40:39
  I, I don't think so.
• 40:39
  I, I think he's the best.
• 40:40
  Roger Moore.
• 40:46
  I mean, there's Roger Moore than it's like, yeah, it's Roger Moore, EE.
• 40:49
  Even when he's playing like a Nazi soldier and escape from Athena,
• 40:53
  it's like, yeah, that's Roger Moore.
• 40:54
  You're not Yeah.
• 40:54
  A hundred percent right.
• 40:55
  Or he's in, uh, what was the, the Spice Girls movie?
• 40:57
  Spice World.
• 40:58
  Right?
• 40:58
  It's still Roger Moore, right?
• 41:00
  Yeah.
• 41:00
  That, here's my argument.
• 41:01
  Pierce Brosnan is the best James Bond.
• 41:04
  He's the epitome of James Bond with the worst scripts I give you that, and Timothy
• 41:10
  Dalton had the best premise and the worst.
• 41:13
  Time is bonds, right?
• 41:14
  Yeah.
• 41:15
  And I'm not gonna lie, I like Lazenbys.
• 41:17
  I think that we should have given Lazenby more.
• 41:19
  Yeah.
• 41:19
  Did you see the documentary on him?
• 41:21
  I haven't seen that yet.
• 41:22
  Oh.
• 41:22
  There's a mockumentary called like The Man Who Would Be Bond
• 41:26
  because he only did one Bond movie.
• 41:27
  Right.
• 41:27
  And it's, it's Epic Man, Connery come back.
• 41:30
  Yeah.
• 41:30
  And he's, he's so funny.
• 41:32
  And it's one of those mockumentaries, much like framing John DeLorean, where
• 41:34
  they brought in actual actors to play out the scenes as he's describing 'em.
• 41:38
  And I was literally in tears.
• 41:40
  It is so funny.
• 41:42
  And he tells it just so nonchalantly, and there's some very touching moments,
• 41:45
  like throughout the mockumentary, but if you have not seen it, it
• 41:47
  was on Hulu for like forever.
• 41:49
  You definitely gotta check it out.
• 41:51
  We And who would be Bond.
• 41:52
  All right.
• 41:53
  Gotcha.
• 41:53
  We're adding it to the list.
• 41:54
  I've just given you like 12 more episodes now, but oh, for July, we
• 41:59
  are doing the oh oh seventh month.
• 42:01
  This is our second year in a row doing it.
• 42:03
  Uh, the premise of our podcast is, uh, bad movies.
• 42:06
  We are going through, uh, the ones people generally don't love and
• 42:11
  justifying why, really they're all great.
• 42:15
  Can I tell you what my favorite Bond movie is?
• 42:17
  Of course.
• 42:18
  Never say never again.
• 42:21
  Coming in this next month.
• 42:22
  Ah, keep your holes open.
• 42:24
  It's coming.
• 42:25
  Can I tell you another little bit of trivia?
• 42:28
  Oh.
• 42:28
  So as you guys know, Barbara Carrera, the mother of Tia Carrera, she is,
• 42:32
  uh, Fatima Blush in that movie, right?
• 42:34
  Yeah.
• 42:34
  And do you remember she, in that movie, there's a chase
• 42:36
  scene between Sean Connery.
• 42:38
  'cause that was the movie he came back for in the eighties to be in, and he's chasing
• 42:42
  her on a BMW motorcycle with all these, you know, trick gizmos that Q puts are
• 42:46
  on there and all that kind of fun stuff.
• 42:47
  Yeah, the gadget.
• 42:48
  So that little red car in that movie, it's a French sports car, right?
• 42:53
  Homologated rally car.
• 42:54
  It's known as the Renault Turbo Two, right?
• 42:57
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:57
  It, it's actually mid-engine and it's actually very quirky and very French,
• 43:01
  and I got an opportunity to drive one and write a review on that car.
• 43:05
  It holds status with a few other cars that I've said many times.
• 43:09
  Never drive your heroes.
• 43:12
  And if you wanna learn more about that experience, read the article,
• 43:15
  visit our website, but I, I got an opportunity to drive one of those cars
• 43:18
  and it, it, it was very interesting.
• 43:20
  I'll put it that way.
• 43:21
  Oh ha.
• 43:21
  It opens up with.
• 43:23
  It's not a eo.
• 43:24
  Wait,
• 43:27
  we were talking about Statham, right?
• 43:29
  And we got a little bit sidetracked about Bond, I think.
• 43:31
  Yeah, that's right.
• 43:31
  To kind of wrap up the whole bond, you know, discussion there.
• 43:34
  I think if we lined up all the bond mobiles and drag race them, it would be
• 43:38
  a hard tie between the original DB five that Sean Connery had and probably one of
• 43:43
  the later DBSs that Daniel Craig drove.
• 43:46
  What do you, what do you think Brad Craig is my favorite bond?
• 43:48
  Hmm.
• 43:51
  Obviously the Craig cars for sure.
• 43:53
  It wasn't the underwater.
• 43:54
  Yeah, he, he's super into the, uh, the Ford Hybrid that they drive
• 43:57
  through the desert, not Guam soles.
• 43:59
  Oh God, that Ford Flex or whatever.
• 44:02
  Yeah, the underwater lotus from octopus.
• 44:05
  You know, that's, that's another great car.
• 44:07
  Now we're talking.
• 44:08
  No, I actually, I do, my, my favorite bond car is actually the Z eight.
• 44:13
  That was cool.
• 44:14
  And they made a handful of those things, and they're gorgeous.
• 44:17
  They are.
• 44:18
  I've, I've had, I've had the pleasure of seeing a couple in,
• 44:20
  you know, in person and they're just, they're stunning to look at.
• 44:24
  I hear they're terrible to drive, but they're stunning to look at.
• 44:26
  They're also made of unobtainium and that's their price on
• 44:28
  Bring a trailer these days too.
• 44:30
  So that's everything's price on bring a trailer.
• 44:32
  The, uh, moon buggie from diamonds are forever.
• 44:35
  That's that's my, yeah.
• 44:36
  Yeah.
• 44:36
  I forgot about that.
• 44:37
  He's pretty good.
• 44:40
  Maybe I'm confusing Fast.
• 44:41
  And the Furious with bond.
• 44:42
  No, there was a bond one where they had wings and he flew over a boat, right?
• 44:47
  Oh yeah.
• 44:47
  He has the, the little gyro copter, the, um, yeah, yeah.
• 44:50
  The, so what they call the little something.
• 44:53
  Yeah.
• 44:53
  Uh, yeah.
• 44:54
  I'm gonna look it up.
• 44:55
  Um, is it, you only live twice?
• 44:57
  It was the Japanese.
• 44:58
  Yeah, yeah.
• 44:58
  The Japan lived twice.
• 44:59
  Japan.
• 44:59
  That's right.
• 45:00
  Japan.
• 45:00
  Yeah.
• 45:00
  But I remember the fun fact about it.
• 45:01
  It was like, like the Little Eddie or little Edith or something.
• 45:04
  Yeah.
• 45:05
  And they made that, it was a, a one person, basically a bicycle helicopter.
• 45:10
  They made it for the movie.
• 45:13
  And like British intelligence and US intelligence got a hold
• 45:17
  of the prop guy who made it, said, does that actually work?
• 45:20
  And he said, yeah, it really works.
• 45:21
  And they were like, you have to make these for us.
• 45:23
  And he made them for them, and they made their own versions
• 45:25
  of stealth things out of it.
• 45:27
  So that was one that started as a prop and became a real vehicle.
• 45:31
  Look at that trivia.
• 45:32
  It's, it's everywhere.
• 45:34
  Yeah.
• 45:35
  What facts.
• 45:36
  So since we've done a couple, uh, donuts there, now we're gonna
• 45:39
  talk about Statham again, right?
• 45:41
  Yeah.
• 45:42
  I am down to talk about statham.
• 45:44
  Circling, circling back just like Nicholas Cage.
• 45:47
  He's circling back.
• 45:49
  Let's go with Death Race, 1975, David Carradine versus 2008 Jason Statham.
• 45:55
  What do we think?
• 45:56
  That's really hard.
• 45:57
  I have a huge crush on Jason Statham.
• 46:00
  Mr. Statham, I know you're listening.
• 46:01
  Uh, go ahead and hit us up on everything I learned from movies.
• 46:03
  We'd love to interview you because I know he listens to this.
• 46:07
  Well, they could call right now, but the original death race is so spectacular.
• 46:12
  Steve and I had the opportunity in the before four times to
• 46:15
  host a screening of the original death race at our local theater.
• 46:19
  That is spectacular on the big screen, by the way, guys.
• 46:22
  It's great.
• 46:23
  Low budget in the seventies, like a million dollars or whatever.
• 46:26
  But it's like great satire, but also mixed in with some
• 46:29
  pretty cool car stunts and Yeah.
• 46:31
  You know, obviously over the top design kind like even like Prem Mad
• 46:34
  Max where it's more like just the crazy zany, kinda like plaster bodies.
• 46:40
  Yeah.
• 46:40
  Yeah.
• 46:41
  Like just silly fiberglass bodies.
• 46:42
  Yeah, fiberglass.
• 46:43
  That's it.
• 46:43
  But some really good, yeah, he said really good stunt driving.
• 46:46
  Steve's possibly favorite joke in all a moviedom.
• 46:49
  It's a hand grenade.
• 46:50
  Ugh.
• 46:51
  It catches me every time too.
• 46:54
  Just when he pulls it out and it's like, oh God.
• 46:56
  That's right.
• 46:58
  I like the carmageddon style sequence where they're at, like the old
• 47:02
  folks home and they're like wheeling 'em out in the wheelchairs and the
• 47:04
  numbers start popping up and stuff.
• 47:06
  Like we're what?
• 47:06
  We're in Pacman or something.
• 47:07
  It's craziness.
• 47:08
  Oh, they wheel out the old folks and then Carradine goes for the nurse instead.
• 47:13
  Yeah.
• 47:13
  Points.
• 47:16
  So it's been a while since I've seen the 2008 one though.
• 47:18
  Like what?
• 47:18
  Obviously you've seen it directed by Paul WS Anderson before, like exclusively
• 47:23
  made, uh, resident evil movies and stuff.
• 47:27
  But I've also seen like all the sequels that starred like Dominic
• 47:31
  Purcell and uh, what, what was it, 2050 that came out a couple years ago.
• 47:35
  Oh yeah.
• 47:35
  With a bunch of the background guys from Fury Road.
• 47:39
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:41
  So you're, you're talking about the new Death race, right?
• 47:43
  Yeah, yeah.
• 47:43
  The new the, yeah, the new.
• 47:45
  Yeah.
• 47:45
  And I've, I've seen, seen exactly.
• 47:47
  I've seen those too.
• 47:48
  And they're prequels to the Jason Statham movie, which makes 'em a trilogy
• 47:51
  because it tells the story of what's his name, Frankenstein or, or whatever.
• 47:55
  Yeah.
• 47:55
  Yeah.
• 47:56
  I, I really enjoyed them.
• 47:58
  And it actually, for the audience, if you haven't seen those prequels,
• 48:02
  those directed DVD or probably VHS or Blockbuster, you can pick it up tomorrow.
• 48:07
  I, I recommend it.
• 48:09
  I mean, they're totally the one blockbuster that's left in the us.
• 48:11
  I, I mean, I totally recommend them.
• 48:13
  They're super cool because it does fill in the backstory into that almost comic like
• 48:17
  world that was created around death race.
• 48:20
  Oh.
• 48:20
  Have you guys seen Doomsday?
• 48:22
  Superman tubes?
• 48:23
  No.
• 48:23
  Okay.
• 48:24
  Uh, so around, yeah, around the same time, like 2008, 2009, maybe 2010, director
• 48:29
  Neil Marshall, who did like the descent and like some of the better episodes
• 48:32
  of Game of Thrones and stuff like that.
• 48:34
  Okay.
• 48:34
  And then Hellboy, but he did this movie called Doomsday.
• 48:38
  And if you like Mad Max and like the Death Race 2000, or you know, the Death
• 48:43
  Race with, uh, Jason Statham, I would highly recommend you check out Doomsday.
• 48:46
  'cause it, it's like mad.
• 48:47
  Super fun Max.
• 48:48
  Without the The trademark.
• 48:50
  Yeah, I think I've seen Doomsday.
• 48:52
  That's the one where they end up in the world of Excalibur and the Yes.
• 48:57
  The middle.
• 48:58
  Yeah.
• 48:58
  Okay.
• 48:58
  Medieval Times or what?
• 48:59
  Wait, I thought that was time.
• 49:00
  I thought that was timeline with Paul Walker.
• 49:02
  Paul Walker, yeah.
• 49:03
  Yeah.
• 49:04
  Timeline.
• 49:06
  I don't end up in 13th century France because they time travel using mirrors.
• 49:11
  Nope.
• 49:11
  That's a different movie.
• 49:12
  Dude.
• 49:13
  That book, I'm a huge Creighton fan.
• 49:15
  The book is fantastic.
• 49:16
  The movie that is one of the best books.
• 49:17
  The books.
• 49:17
  Books are always great.
• 49:18
  That's why Michael Creighton doesn't let him make movies from him anymore.
• 49:21
  You guys keep fucking it up.
• 49:23
  Well, he's also dead, so that doesn't help either.
• 49:26
  I'm sorry.
• 49:26
  His estate, it's no sphere.
• 49:28
  Don't worry, they're nocturnal.
• 49:30
  They're only poisonous at night.
• 49:32
  That's not what that means.
• 49:32
  Alright.
• 49:33
  Alright.
• 49:33
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna say it again because I've said it a million times before.
• 49:36
  Westworld is amazing.
• 49:38
  Inspired by Creighton in the original movie Y Brenner and all
• 49:42
  that, but still the New West World.
• 49:43
  Fantastic.
• 49:45
  I mean, it's no runaway, but yeah.
• 49:48
  What can be, oh, if you guys have not seen Runaway.
• 49:53
  Oh, so yeah.
• 49:54
  Death Race.
• 49:54
  No.
• 49:56
  So circling back to death race, I mean, so many circles.
• 49:59
  They're hard.
• 50:00
  Yeah, we're, we're just doing donuts now.
• 50:02
  It's like, you know, it's like Drift.
• 50:03
  It's a drift course not a drag race anymore.
• 50:05
  But I think the first movie kind of like Vanishing Point, so the other
• 50:08
  ones, it holds a place in cinematic history because it was so different.
• 50:12
  It was so new.
• 50:13
  You, it Campy is all get out, but in the same way as the gumball run.
• 50:17
  Right.
• 50:17
  And so like Raul Julio is in that and, and some other films that were like car
• 50:21
  related where it's like on these epic journeys and all that kind of thing.
• 50:25
  World.
• 50:25
  Yeah, exactly.
• 50:27
  Death Race is like Water World meets Mad Max meets like a bunch of
• 50:31
  other stuff And it, I thought it was fun though, and I will rewatch it.
• 50:36
  I think what's cool about it, unlike the scene in the Italian
• 50:39
  job with Statham, where you know, the guy wrench comes to help him.
• 50:43
  And I laughed when I saw that again and I'm like, who is this clown?
• 50:46
  Because in my mind that same scene was played out in Death
• 50:49
  Race and it was machete instead.
• 50:52
  Right.
• 50:52
  And you're like, eh,
• 50:55
  you know, it's stuff like that is what made.
• 50:57
  Death race the new one for me because it added that extra level of grit
• 51:01
  that it just, it just needed to get it beyond like, this is just kind
• 51:05
  of dumb and video game, like where it became fun and re watchable and
• 51:08
  something you could just throw on your iPad on an airplane and go, we're
• 51:11
  gonna kill it for the next two hours.
• 51:13
  Literally kill it.
• 51:14
  'cause that's what they do in that movie.
• 51:17
  It's in the title A board game, an unofficial board game for death race.
• 51:21
  And it's super fun.
• 51:22
  Is this like the jump to conclusions game in office space?
• 51:25
  Like what are we doing now?
• 51:27
  I don't know.
• 51:27
  It's a real one.
• 51:27
  I don't know.
• 51:28
  It's a, it's a real, it's a real game.
• 51:29
  And what, like there?
• 51:31
  Yeah.
• 51:31
  So it's a board game.
• 51:32
  It's sort of set up like the game of life.
• 51:34
  Like you got the little road you go down.
• 51:35
  Oh, so it's the sequel to ra.
• 51:38
  I got it totally set up.
• 51:40
  Like little different people.
• 51:41
  There's the kids, there's the old folks, there's the women, there's the men.
• 51:45
  You get different points if you can land on their square and hit 'em.
• 51:48
  I like this.
• 51:49
  I gotta find this.
• 51:50
  It's pretty fun.
• 51:53
  I mean, I get, my daughters would get the concept of just ramming
• 51:56
  into the people with matchbox cars.
• 51:57
  But
• 52:00
  yeah, same with the, the death race is the, the old one's the classic,
• 52:04
  but really love the old ones so much.
• 52:07
  I love the camp value.
• 52:08
  The old one's got Carradine, it's got Sly Stallone, it's got other people in it.
• 52:12
  The new one, if you took out Jason Statham and replaced him with.
• 52:17
  Nicholas Cage, would it be just as good?
• 52:20
  Oh, no, no, no, no.
• 52:21
  Statham is great.
• 52:22
  Statham iss great.
• 52:23
  Statham can stay.
• 52:24
  I guess what I'm getting at is if you replace the draw of the Statham,
• 52:28
  the sexiness and the appeal, and the British accent, is the movie as good?
• 52:32
  Is it still a rose by any other name?
• 52:35
  Oh, does that sexiness bring you in?
• 52:38
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  Yes, it brings all the boys to the yard.
• 52:41
  All right, moving on.
• 52:43
  Yeah, I, I, I'd rather watch state than David Carradine.
• 52:46
  I'll put a, I got you.
• 52:48
  I got you.
• 52:48
  I'll go with the new one.
• 52:49
  I'll go with the new one.
• 52:50
  All right.
• 52:50
  I think I put my points in lane two.
• 52:52
  What about you, Brad?
• 52:53
  The new one for sure.
• 52:54
  So, so this now puts the new movies one up on the vintage ones.
• 52:58
  Ooh.
• 52:59
  Hmm hmm.
• 53:00
  We gotta switch gears a little bit.
• 53:03
  We're not gonna split our car in two or in half, or run the rear end, past
• 53:07
  the front end like they did in Herbie.
• 53:10
  And there have been many sequels to the Herbie franchise.
• 53:14
  Many.
• 53:15
  So pulling up to the line in lane number one is a 1963 WW Beetle and in lane
• 53:22
  number two as a drunken Lindsay Lohan.
• 53:24
  So it's Lane one.
• 53:27
  Let's move on.
• 53:31
  Although friend of the podcast, Dana Gould star in one of those Herbie
• 53:34
  sequels in the nineties I think So.
• 53:36
  We all fall on hard times, Steve.
• 53:38
  Yeah, right.
• 53:38
  You gotta pick some money.
• 53:39
  Everybody's gotta keep their side card up.
• 53:43
  I mean, you're right.
• 53:43
  1968, Dean Jones, I mean the original Love Bug and, and the Herbie movies.
• 53:48
  I am a big fan of Herbie Ghost of Monte Carlo.
• 53:50
  I just, whatever.
• 53:52
  I love that movie.
• 53:52
  I think it's fantastic.
• 53:54
  The new one, you know, for Herbie, fully Loaded, supposed
• 53:56
  to pay homage to the original.
• 53:59
  As much as I love Michael Keaton, and I'm gonna say it again, he
• 54:01
  needs to do Batman Beyond before he, he passes away at some point.
• 54:05
  Yes, yes.
• 54:06
  Right as Bruce Wayne, he just needs to do it.
• 54:09
  Yes.
• 54:09
  Oh my God.
• 54:09
  I've been screaming this on our podcast for years.
• 54:12
  I'm so happy to hear somebody else echo it.
• 54:14
  I posted it on Brian's Take two universe page on Facebook.
• 54:17
  Go back and check it out.
• 54:18
  I found a picture of Michael Keaton where they grade him and put him in a
• 54:22
  wheelchair on an episode of Frazier.
• 54:24
  He was playing a conman and I snapped it and I said, boom.
• 54:28
  Living proof.
• 54:28
  Michael Keaton can do elderly.
• 54:31
  Bruce Wayne in Batman Beyond.
• 54:32
  Let's get it done.
• 54:33
  I put it out in the universe.
• 54:34
  We'll get a Elaine Moosey to play night Wing.
• 54:37
  Oh, that's great.
• 54:37
  Come on.
• 54:37
  Doesn't really get your shit together.
• 54:39
  Alright, we're gonna talk Volkswagens again for a minute.
• 54:42
  Oh yeah, yeah.
• 54:43
  So Michael Keaton mad props.
• 54:45
  The man is invincible in my mind.
• 54:47
  He is Batman.
• 54:48
  He is a lot of things.
• 54:49
  Birdman, not so much, but Batman.
• 54:51
  Yes.
• 54:52
  Lindsay Lohan, eh.
• 54:54
  We could have replaced her with anybody else.
• 54:55
  The whole cast of descendants would've been better than
• 54:57
  Lindsay Lohan in that movie.
• 54:59
  But there's a third Love Bug movie that a lot of people forget and it stars
• 55:03
  yet another one of my childhood heroes.
• 55:07
  Do we know who it is?
• 55:08
  Is it The Chin?
• 55:09
  The Chin, the Bruce?
• 55:12
  My name is Bruce Campbell and he starred in another remake in the late nineties.
• 55:19
  And if you haven't seen this film, have you guys seen this film?
• 55:23
  Yes.
• 55:23
  I was in middle school when this came out.
• 55:25
  So I was still enough of a kid that I was in the target demographic.
• 55:28
  Do you remember the importance of this movie?
• 55:31
  No.
• 55:31
  'cause I ha don't think I have seen it since it came out.
• 55:34
  Alright, Steve, do you know why this movie's important?
• 55:37
  No, there's two big reasons.
• 55:39
  Well, three.
• 55:40
  Number one, Bruce Campbell's in it.
• 55:41
  Number two.
• 55:43
  Dean Jones cameos in the film, and it's supposed to be the Herbie,
• 55:48
  the original Herbie in that movie.
• 55:50
  And three, it is the only Herbie film that actually depicts and tells us
• 55:57
  Herbie's origin story, the entire paranormal background of Herbie.
• 56:01
  So we get the inside view into all that.
• 56:04
  And if there's a three B, they also take a totally Michael Knight
• 56:09
  spin on this and develop the car.
• 56:11
  You know, there was Kit and there was Car, the bad version of Herbie.
• 56:13
  There is a bad version of Herbie in this movie as well, which makes
• 56:16
  it delightful and entertaining and a complete waste of 90 minutes.
• 56:19
  But getting that origin story is epic, and it brings a lot of closure
• 56:25
  to people going like, okay, I get it.
• 56:26
  It's Disney, you know, fairy magic and all that stuff.
• 56:29
  Why a car?
• 56:30
  Why?
• 56:30
  And so when you watch that film, then you get that big reveal.
• 56:34
  Speaking of Big Reveal, do you know who directed that movie?
• 56:37
  The The Love Bug with Bruce Campbell apparently was Peyton Reed, the
• 56:40
  director of Ant Man, and like several episodes of The Mandalorian and Mr
• 56:45
  Show with Bob and Dave and Oh yeah, it was like one of his first movies.
• 56:48
  It looks like he holds that in high regard, I'm sure, and I'm sure, yeah,
• 56:52
  yeah, just near the top of the resume.
• 56:55
  Even Disney forgot that it was in the vault.
• 56:57
  They were like, man, this movie's tragic.
• 57:01
  Hey, there's a bunch of movies they forgot in the vault.
• 57:03
  Do you know how hard it is to find the devil in Max Devlin?
• 57:05
  Is it with you and me and Kwan G?
• 57:07
  Because I want to talk about, my name is Bruce.
• 57:11
  But seriously let, since you brought up the chin, you know him
• 57:14
  and Jay Leno being a big car guy.
• 57:16
  I mean, they are number one and number two for putting him in lane one and Lane two.
• 57:20
  Bruce Campbell versus Jay Leno.
• 57:21
  Which chin wins the drag race?
• 57:24
  Who's Jay Leno By a chin?
• 57:26
  No, no, no.
• 57:27
  It's gonna be Bruce Campbell.
• 57:28
  'cause Jay Leno's gonna get distracted and go drive off down
• 57:31
  like the PCH for hours at a time Car.
• 57:36
  Or a turbine or something ridiculous.
• 57:40
  But Bruce is gonna get stopped by Evil Dead and Zombies and well that,
• 57:44
  and he drives a four speed Tercel that only runs on three cylinders.
• 57:47
  It's not getting very far.
• 57:50
  And the man's made a whopping 5,000 bucks in his cover here.
• 57:53
  Right?
• 57:54
  So it's a, it's a, it's a three banger Tercel versus a Stanley Steamer.
• 58:03
  So Bruce, my man, Bruce.
• 58:05
  If there's any ho one you're voting for, we get it.
• 58:08
  No, no.
• 58:08
  I want, I wanna segue for a moment like we did with Bond, right?
• 58:11
  Where we're gonna put Bruce on a segue and it's gonna be fantastic.
• 58:14
  Briscoe County Junior himself.
• 58:16
  Ah, I think he wrote a segue in, burned it or see he just got a boner.
• 58:21
  Think he just came.
• 58:22
  Briscoe County Junior.
• 58:23
  Oh, oh God.
• 58:26
  If you had only said jack of all trades, it would've been over burn notice.
• 58:31
  Sidekick Sam Ax for the win.
• 58:34
  So that brings me to the point of what I was getting at here.
• 58:37
  What's the best Bruce Campbell movie?
• 58:39
  Oh, Congo.
• 58:41
  He is pretty good in his five minutes in Calgo, his one day of
• 58:45
  shooting, was it when he played autologous in Zeno Warrior Princess.
• 58:51
  Oh, that's right.
• 58:52
  He was in that.
• 58:53
  Yeah, he was.
• 58:58
  Baba Hot.
• 59:00
  Oh, that Pustule got its own credit.
• 59:03
  How the hell do you make the Mummy worse?
• 59:06
  Baba eb.
• 59:08
  They're so bad, but they're so excellent.
• 59:11
  Every one of them.
• 59:12
  So much charisma that it is fun to watch him in movies that would
• 59:16
  be completely unwatchable with almost anybody else in that role.
• 59:20
  Absolutely.
• 59:21
  And he could reprise the role of Errol Flynn whenever he feels like it.
• 59:24
  That's that's, oh yeah.
• 59:25
  Yeah.
• 59:25
  Uh, I kinda liked his role in Dark Man.
• 59:27
  Oh, there's another MO with Arnold Volu going back to The Mummy.
• 59:31
  Yeah, that's a poll right there.
• 59:34
  Nice job.
• 59:35
  Like, I don't think a lot of people know that.
• 59:37
  That's doesn't say a word does.
• 59:38
  He just kind of shows up at the end.
• 59:39
  Yep.
• 59:39
  That's my new face.
• 59:40
  Now with Herbie, it goes to the original right?
• 59:45
  Whether it's Bruce Campbell or not, I think it goes to the original.
• 59:47
  So we're tied once again, three.
• 59:49
  Three here.
• 59:50
  So I'm gonna pull one out from underneath a rock.
• 59:53
  And many people don't realize that the Fast and the Furious is
• 59:57
  actually a remake of a nightmare.
• 59:59
  Oh, that Roger Corman Baby 1954.
• 1:00:02
  Yes.
• 1:00:02
  John Ireland and Dorothy Malone starring in the Fast and the Furious, and they
• 1:00:07
  have nothing to do with one another other than the fact, the fact that there's
• 1:00:10
  scars, they're cutting towards Mexico.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, nothing gets airborne or explodes in the original film.
• 1:00:15
  There is no danger to manifold and the paint schemes are quite bland.
• 1:00:19
  How many shifts?
• 1:00:20
  Four Speed.
• 1:00:20
  That's pretty much it.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  I can't even tell you what the car is.
• 1:00:23
  It's such an unmemorable film and I have it in my collection, the original
• 1:00:27
  Fast and Furious and then Fast and the Furious, and then, you know, the
• 1:00:30
  19 other films that came after that.
• 1:00:32
  And that's pretty much it.
• 1:00:33
  All right.
• 1:00:34
  Sorry, I looked it up for, uh, fast and Furious 1954.
• 1:00:37
  It's a Jaguar XK one 20.
• 1:00:40
  Oh yeah.
• 1:00:41
  Okay.
• 1:00:41
  That's right.
• 1:00:42
  Donated by a local Jaguar dealer.
• 1:00:45
  And it didn't run, uh, well, apparently they had to pull it with a Chevy.
• 1:00:49
  Apparently Corman set up a deal that he was going to borrow them,
• 1:00:52
  but they couldn't crash any of them, and none of them were able
• 1:00:55
  to be returned to the dealership.
• 1:00:56
  Interesting.
• 1:00:57
  Even back then, look at that.
• 1:00:59
  But I think in this case, the new one definitely crushes the old one.
• 1:01:02
  So I think, I think for the, the sake of this argument, we get rid of the 1954
• 1:01:07
  Fast and Furious It grandma drives to the track to sit on the sidelines and
• 1:01:11
  watch the rest of the young kids race.
• 1:01:13
  Okay.
• 1:01:13
  So now we need to figure out which of the Fast and Furious, you know, saga is
• 1:01:18
  the better, is the best film I, I think.
• 1:01:20
  All right.
• 1:01:21
  All right, all right.
• 1:01:21
  Hold on, hold on.
• 1:01:22
  We're not gonna talk about chronology, we're not gonna talk about plot
• 1:01:25
  holes that you can literally drive aircraft carriers through.
• 1:01:27
  Do we count five and six as one movie?
• 1:01:30
  Two parts to the same movie.
• 1:01:31
  Wait, fast Five and Fast Six.
• 1:01:33
  Yeah, they're two.
• 1:01:34
  They're two parts.
• 1:01:35
  They're part A and part B. Okay.
• 1:01:36
  Here, here's, here's the thing.
• 1:01:38
  Like based on the uh, timeframe, like between movies and stuff, the
• 1:01:42
  eight movies or whatever that have happened so far, hasn't it been
• 1:01:45
  over the course of like three years?
• 1:01:47
  I think it's been like two weeks.
• 1:01:48
  Timeline.
• 1:01:49
  Weeks.
• 1:01:50
  Like shouldn't Dom's Kid be like in the sixth grade or something by
• 1:01:53
  now or it's like an episode of 24.
• 1:01:55
  That's what you don't realize.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Basically, if we are gonna pit Fast and Furious movies against each
• 1:02:01
  other, the reason I wanna bundle five and six together because they
• 1:02:03
  really are one big four hour movie.
• 1:02:06
  'cause that's the, the sequence I would pit against any of the other films,
• 1:02:10
  whether it be the original one, Tokyo Drift Fast and Furious Four, that's
• 1:02:14
  got two flat tires and a busted turbo that's on the side of the, the track.
• 1:02:18
  It's not even running, but even the newer ones, right, I'm thinking five
• 1:02:21
  and six together because I can't put five and six against one another.
• 1:02:25
  You know what I mean?
• 1:02:25
  But what would you put up against that movie or movies?
• 1:02:28
  Well, everyone knows Hobbes and Shaw is the best ho the one, but
• 1:02:30
  Hobbs, far as hos the best one.
• 1:02:31
  Like driving one far, the cars Hobb and oh, I think it was seven that had, uh,
• 1:02:35
  the bad guys had the, those cars that were like the basically like indie cars
• 1:02:40
  or whatever, but they, you know, death proofed out or whatever and mm-hmm.
• 1:02:44
  I don't know, some sort of jet engines.
• 1:02:47
  Slash magnets.
• 1:02:48
  I don't know what, but that made 'em like invincible.
• 1:02:51
  We gotta remember too, that this franchise starts out with, uh, a
• 1:02:54
  brother and sister who own a sandwich shop and drag race on the weekends,
• 1:02:59
  also fund their sandwich shop by stealing zoo players out of the back of
• 1:03:05
  semi-truck driven by Hercules himself.
• 1:03:08
  That's right.
• 1:03:08
  Kevin Zerbo.
• 1:03:09
  Kevin Zobo drives the, uh, the big rig.
• 1:03:11
  I also wanna throw out there with the, the adding of the rock and Jason Statham
• 1:03:17
  to the Fast and Furious universe, Steve and I discovered any Easter rig.
• 1:03:22
  Ooh.
• 1:03:22
  That we don't know if they're gonna fully cash in on, but they've
• 1:03:25
  already started to, in Tokyo.
• 1:03:27
  Drift Han is not dead.
• 1:03:29
  Ha's not dead, but, but it gets better than that in Tokyo Drift.
• 1:03:32
  When they have the last race against the Yakuza.
• 1:03:34
  When Sonny Chiba iss gonna kill everybody if they don't win the race,
• 1:03:39
  which is already amazing in itself.
• 1:03:41
  Twinkie little Bow Wow.
• 1:03:43
  Is live streaming the race on his flip phone because
• 1:03:46
  Japan, they're in the future.
• 1:03:47
  Why not?
• 1:03:48
  And he says to his phone, yo Uncle Deck, check this out.
• 1:03:52
  Then they bring in a character named Deckard Shaw, who we find out from Hobbes.
• 1:03:57
  And Shaw was basically brothers with Idris Elba, who supposedly died a few years ago.
• 1:04:05
  'cause Jason Statham had to put him down.
• 1:04:08
  So is Uncle Deck Deckard Shaw is Bow Wow.
• 1:04:12
  To Bow Wow.
• 1:04:13
  And that's how they're gonna bring him back into, I don't know, fast.
• 1:04:16
  10 fast in space is is bow wow in the Japanese international,
• 1:04:20
  uh, prep school because his dad died in the line of service.
• 1:04:25
  You guys have just blown my mind in like the whole NBC,
• 1:04:30
  the more you know sort of way.
• 1:04:32
  I'm like, holy smokes.
• 1:04:34
  And you guys can go back and rewatch it.
• 1:04:36
  We have replayed that scene so many times.
• 1:04:38
  We wore a DVD out, I'm pretty sure, because we wanna make sure we heard what
• 1:04:42
  we heard and I'm, we heard what we heard.
• 1:04:46
  I mean, that's like me watching, my name is Bruce and pausing when they go to
• 1:04:49
  the trailer full of his stuff and I'm playing, I spy, you know, inside the room
• 1:04:53
  to figure out which show is in there.
• 1:04:55
  Wow.
• 1:04:55
  No, I am, my mind is blown.
• 1:04:57
  I'm my, my valves are bent and my manifold is melted at this point.
• 1:05:02
  Well 'cause the first one they bring Jason Staman, they go back to Tokyo Drift
• 1:05:07
  with him, quote unquote killing Han.
• 1:05:09
  And then they've sort of skipped over, I'm hoping.
• 1:05:12
  And then they explain it more about how actually Deckard was helping out Han.
• 1:05:16
  Right.
• 1:05:16
  I'm guessing to escape the Yakuza.
• 1:05:18
  So interesting.
• 1:05:20
  I'm, well, we'll see what they do with that.
• 1:05:22
  We'll see what they do with that.
• 1:05:23
  I mean, once the franchise has hit 90 movies, I'm sure they'll do a TV
• 1:05:27
  show on like Hallmark channel and it'll be fantastic and you know, we'll
• 1:05:31
  just love it for the next 50 years.
• 1:05:32
  So whatever.
• 1:05:33
  Right.
• 1:05:33
  Live and love a quarter mile text Guys.
• 1:05:36
  Guys, this potentially means that there's a movie out there with Jason
• 1:05:40
  Statham, Iris Salba, and Han in their like early days, like a prequel.
• 1:05:45
  That is true.
• 1:05:46
  And they all know each other apparently.
• 1:05:48
  If you had to pick any two people from the Expendables to be in the Fast and
• 1:05:52
  Furious, which is basically expendables with cars, who would you pick?
• 1:05:56
  Well, we've already got Jason Statham, so there we go.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, we got, we already got the good one, but two more.
• 1:06:00
  Two more.
• 1:06:00
  You're gonna pull two more Dol L Grin and Terry Cruz though.
• 1:06:04
  I mean, let's face it.
• 1:06:05
  Yeah, that's, that's who else we meet in this franchise.
• 1:06:07
  I was, I was thinking Terry Cruz and Jean Claude Van Dam.
• 1:06:10
  Jean Claude is pretty good.
• 1:06:11
  Jean Len.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  He only gets to drive French cars though.
• 1:06:18
  He only gets to ride on top of a Volvo rig.
• 1:06:21
  He gets the brown Volvo from Jalopnik.
• 1:06:24
  That's what he gets to drive.
• 1:06:25
  End of story.
• 1:06:29
  It tough.
• 1:06:30
  So a lot of people will argue that Tokyo Drift is probably one of
• 1:06:33
  the best movies in the franchise.
• 1:06:35
  So do we put that in lane number two against maybe the original?
• 1:06:39
  I've heard it said before.
• 1:06:41
  I've been told, I've heard it said as well.
• 1:06:42
  It, it's, it's pretty good.
• 1:06:44
  I thought it was straight to DVD, but apparently it made
• 1:06:46
  like $200 million in theaters.
• 1:06:49
  Everybody thought it was straight to DVD and yet it made a shit ton of money.
• 1:06:53
  Here's the thing, the main kid.
• 1:06:55
  Not a great actor.
• 1:06:56
  The plot very interesting.
• 1:06:59
  The side characters very interesting.
• 1:07:02
  When you rewatch it, you can sort of look past our main characters.
• 1:07:05
  Sort of a nothing because the rest of the movie's very good.
• 1:07:10
  It was so good.
• 1:07:10
  It brought Vin back, right?
• 1:07:12
  He was like, oh no, I about to lose another franchise I'd you come back.
• 1:07:16
  Triple X isn't working out for me.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah, right.
• 1:07:19
  It's the same movie.
• 1:07:20
  I'm like, come on.
• 1:07:21
  So that's Furious.
• 1:07:23
  Yes.
• 1:07:25
  They don't wanna talk about Sean's.
• 1:07:26
  Give it the Furious six.
• 1:07:27
  Sorry, Eric.
• 1:07:30
  So over on our podcast, during the lockdown, we actually did quarter
• 1:07:35
  April at a time and we did review every single Fest and Furious movie.
• 1:07:40
  Because we were just making content, including the Roger Corman one, and
• 1:07:44
  Hobbes and Shaw and the entire universe.
• 1:07:46
  So nice.
• 1:07:48
  We're well versed in this.
• 1:07:49
  So, I mean, there's so many other films that we could talk about that
• 1:07:53
  aren't sequels from the same general era and genre of car film, right?
• 1:07:57
  The French connection to Live and Die in la, the seven ups bullet,
• 1:08:00
  Lamonts, grand Prix, even Rendezvous.
• 1:08:03
  If you've never seen that, you should check it out.
• 1:08:04
  Probably one of the, I don't wanna say the oldest car films, but it's
• 1:08:08
  right up there with no redeeming dialogue, but lots of action.
• 1:08:13
  We need a tiebreaker here.
• 1:08:15
  Right?
• 1:08:15
  I think we're still like three.
• 1:08:16
  All if I remember, and we need, we need something to break
• 1:08:19
  it up, to throw out a movie.
• 1:08:21
  We'll just go for it.
• 1:08:21
  And that's, that's gonna be it.
• 1:08:23
  What?
• 1:08:23
  What's it gonna be?
• 1:08:24
  Congo.
• 1:08:25
  No, let, let, let an action.
• 1:08:27
  Yeah, the movie or something.
• 1:08:28
  Action.
• 1:08:28
  Car movie.
• 1:08:28
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Well, I mean, whatever we gotta throw, I mean, we're tied three.
• 1:08:31
  All we gotta, we gotta settle this old versus new.
• 1:08:34
  Do the sequels win, do the modern movies kick ass tonight or do we hand
• 1:08:38
  it to the, the vintage guys, you know, loping away with their big V eights.
• 1:08:41
  Wait, was it Fast and Furious?
• 1:08:42
  The tiebreaker.
• 1:08:44
  So it's gotta be the new ones.
• 1:08:45
  We you, yeah.
• 1:08:46
  We never got a definitive answer.
• 1:08:47
  He's just throwing out.
• 1:08:49
  Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Uh, well, I mean, fast and the Furious is like, are we drag racing or are
• 1:08:53
  we demolition derby at that point?
• 1:08:55
  Right.
• 1:08:55
  I mean, they're just all crashing into each other.
• 1:08:56
  And it depends on which movie you're talking about.
• 1:08:59
  It's, yeah.
• 1:08:59
  It starts at with their drag racing.
• 1:09:00
  We'll keep it with the first three where, yeah, it's like racing.
• 1:09:04
  So, so they start out, they start out as racers, they become
• 1:09:07
  sort of demolition derby guys.
• 1:09:09
  Then it becomes a car superhero franchise.
• 1:09:14
  So now we're into car superheroes.
• 1:09:16
  I think they've been disqualified for cheating and we need to
• 1:09:19
  find a better time breaker.
• 1:09:23
  Let me think.
• 1:09:23
  Lemme think.
• 1:09:24
  Look, you're just mad because they drove between two towers in Dubai.
• 1:09:27
  Alright.
• 1:09:28
  The van and a team old versus new.
• 1:09:31
  Oh, that's a good pull.
• 1:09:32
  That's a good pull.
• 1:09:33
  I like that.
• 1:09:34
  The A team.
• 1:09:35
  I just remember that there was a new A team and it was like, yeah, there we go.
• 1:09:38
  No, I, I forgot about that movie.
• 1:09:40
  And the sad part is I really like the new movie and I think,
• 1:09:43
  I think it's really good.
• 1:09:45
  It's basically the same van.
• 1:09:46
  So is it really?
• 1:09:48
  Or, or I guess we gotta compare the movie now because the vehicle's the same.
• 1:09:51
  We, we pull 'em up to the Christmas tree.
• 1:09:53
  They're, they're gonna run the same lap time.
• 1:09:54
  So what are we thinking, Brad, old a team as Corn ball as it was.
• 1:09:59
  You know, I love it when a plan comes together or the new stuff, corn ball.
• 1:10:03
  I'm glad when a plan comes together,
• 1:10:07
  I'm, I'm gonna stick with my millennial roots and say the new one, Ooh, I
• 1:10:11
  gotta go with the new one because it has John Ham in it, even as a Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Yeah.
• 1:10:16
  And, and yeah, it's a, it's a good little action movie.
• 1:10:18
  I'm surprised it didn't make sequels, but I guess it didn't
• 1:10:20
  make a whole lot of money.
• 1:10:22
  Like, I'm trying to remember like the old, uh, a team episodes and I just
• 1:10:25
  remember them being very repetitive.
• 1:10:27
  Like, it's always like, Hey, we gotta go into this compound.
• 1:10:30
  And then you get.
• 1:10:31
  Uh, like, how are we gonna sneak in?
• 1:10:33
  I don't know, but I've got a plan.
• 1:10:34
  And then it ends up like the van's on like a hot air balloon and goes over
• 1:10:38
  the fence and then they shoot, get the hostages and shoot their way out.
• 1:10:42
  Ha.
• 1:10:43
  Freeze Frame created by Dick Wolf or whatever.
• 1:10:45
  It's,
• 1:10:48
  who's the, who's the guy?
• 1:10:49
  Uh, Rockford F uh, Jerry Canal.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 1:10:54
  Well, and we actually talked about Dick Wolf.
• 1:10:55
  He was part of a, a movie that we reviewed in our movie Mixed Bag episode.
• 1:10:59
  So go back and check that out.
• 1:11:00
  It's actually a lot of fun that starts, uh, DB Sweeney and Charlie
• 1:11:03
  Sheen in that film as well.
• 1:11:05
  So I get your point about the, A team, and people are gonna hate
• 1:11:08
  me for saying this, but I always.
• 1:11:10
  Put it into this category of, it's just like Voltron and people are like,
• 1:11:14
  what the hell are you talking about?
• 1:11:15
  It's just like Voltron.
• 1:11:16
  If you go back and rewatch the old episodes of Voltron, not the new
• 1:11:20
  stuff on Netflix, which is actually really, really good, you'll realize
• 1:11:23
  very quickly that there's only about 37 seconds of new content and every
• 1:11:28
  episode of Voltron and it's just canned stuff repeated over and over again.
• 1:11:32
  And that's how I feel about like the A Team and Hawaii five oh and like
• 1:11:37
  Gilligan Island and all those old shows.
• 1:11:40
  All right.
• 1:11:40
  What's the new little piece that we're adding to the same old crap we've
• 1:11:43
  been watching over and over again?
• 1:11:44
  I can see it All right.
• 1:11:46
  Time breaker movies too.
• 1:11:47
  I'm gonna throw another one out there for you guys.
• 1:11:49
  Smokey and the Bandit.
• 1:11:51
  The original three versus the four they made for, uh, country music television.
• 1:11:56
  Yeah.
• 1:11:56
  Good old CMT directed by Burt Reynolds, apparently.
• 1:12:00
  Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:12:04
  I It's hard to go against the original Smokey and the Bandit.
• 1:12:08
  What?
• 1:12:09
  You didn't like Bandit.
• 1:12:09
  Bandit Bandit or Bandit Goes Country or, but then they had
• 1:12:14
  on what became the cw Right.
• 1:12:17
  They had the Bandit television show where he drove a Dodge stealth and
• 1:12:21
  that was absolutely horrendous.
• 1:12:23
  I can't remember the actor's name 'cause I don't think he did anything else.
• 1:12:25
  It was career tanked after that.
• 1:12:27
  But that was along with all those other shows that they were, they were having
• 1:12:30
  at the time, like name was Hugh Jackman.
• 1:12:32
  What, what?
• 1:12:34
  No bless femur.
• 1:12:37
  Got Sully Zi charade.
• 1:12:39
  Do not, do not Sully the name of, of Hugh.
• 1:12:43
  He apologizes for making Wolverine.
• 1:12:45
  But other than that, his, his career is completely un blemished.
• 1:12:48
  It's okay.
• 1:12:49
  43.
• 1:12:53
  That about that one, didn't you?
• 1:12:56
  Oh, that's terrible.
• 1:12:59
  Uh, smoking the banana, I mean, the original one was awesome.
• 1:13:03
  I have, I didn't like the second or the third movie.
• 1:13:06
  And I, and I love, oh, you didn't like the elephant?
• 1:13:09
  Well get that some bitch, but you know, I don't know.
• 1:13:13
  There's something Pursuit.
• 1:13:15
  Come on anus.
• 1:13:17
  So apparently the third one, oh my God, my brain, Jackie Gleason,
• 1:13:22
  Jackie Gleason was supposed to play every single character right.
• 1:13:25
  Right.
• 1:13:26
  Including the Bandit, but he got sick, you know, right.
• 1:13:29
  During filming.
• 1:13:30
  So they couldn't do that.
• 1:13:31
  I don't think it would've been a better movie.
• 1:13:34
  Nope.
• 1:13:34
  Wasn't that the one where Cletus, AKA, the Snowman introduces to us,
• 1:13:38
  to Fred and his girlfriend Freda?
• 1:13:41
  Yes.
• 1:13:41
  Yep.
• 1:13:42
  That's the most memorable part of that movie for me.
• 1:13:45
  Because you imagine if every single character was Jackie Gleason,
• 1:13:49
  that's like a simple Jack, right.
• 1:13:51
  That, that's how I would view that turning out at the end of that film.
• 1:13:57
  It just like, like it wouldn't have been better, but it would've been interesting.
• 1:14:00
  It would've been a piece of cinema.
• 1:14:03
  It would've been a piece of something.
• 1:14:04
  You're right about that.
• 1:14:06
  So, so the old ones wins, right?
• 1:14:08
  The original.
• 1:14:09
  I, I, I think so.
• 1:14:10
  I really do.
• 1:14:11
  So I mean, we're tied yet again, you know, new a team, old Smokey in the band.
• 1:14:14
  I think we just keep going back and forth, but we're having a lot of fun doing it.
• 1:14:17
  Right.
• 1:14:18
  Car movies are awesome.
• 1:14:19
  They need to make a come.
• 1:14:20
  Okay.
• 1:14:20
  The Fast and Furious movies.
• 1:14:22
  Fantastic.
• 1:14:23
  Although half of the stunts and everything in it, C-R-C-G-I, we need
• 1:14:28
  more Mad Max Fury Road type shit.
• 1:14:30
  Where Yeah, we need real cars, real CARSs just banging and just people
• 1:14:34
  jumping from car to car, hood to hood and let's break the truck.
• 1:14:38
  Jump record.
• 1:14:39
  Where's Hal Em when you need them?
• 1:14:41
  Ray Richard Smith is still alive.
• 1:14:43
  Let's make this happen.
• 1:14:45
  Come on Australia.
• 1:14:45
  You know what's up now we movie, podcast.
• 1:14:48
  Sorry.
• 1:14:48
  Gearheads
• 1:14:52
  people don't watch Tucker 'cause they wanna find out about how
• 1:14:54
  a guy bankrupt the car company.
• 1:14:59
  You watch that.
• 1:14:59
  I watch, I wrote an article about that movie with uh, with that which
• 1:15:02
  had Jeff Bridges from Tron a so, uh, 'cause we're on the car podcast.
• 1:15:08
  I have to brag a little.
• 1:15:09
  When I was a kid, my dad was an antique automotive mechanic.
• 1:15:12
  Oh cool.
• 1:15:12
  His specialty was pre-World War II cars and he worked on not one
• 1:15:17
  but two Tuckers and I had to write both of them for the test drive.
• 1:15:21
  What was it like riding in a helicopter engine powered
• 1:15:24
  rear wheel drive monstrosity?
• 1:15:27
  Honestly, it was sort of like driving it, riding in any car from
• 1:15:31
  like the twenties or thirties.
• 1:15:33
  But I was also like six, so, oh, well there you go.
• 1:15:36
  And you know, we did have one of those Stanley steamers and he would take
• 1:15:40
  it apart and just store it in the garage until somebody asked him if it
• 1:15:44
  could be in a parade and he'd spend three days putting it back together.
• 1:15:47
  Nice.
• 1:15:48
  And you know what, I know how we're gonna wrap this episode up.
• 1:15:50
  I think we're gonna do it.
• 1:15:52
  Break fix style.
• 1:15:52
  Brad, why don't we ask him a couple pit stop questions while we're at it.
• 1:15:56
  Okay.
• 1:15:57
  From down guys, I bring my own toilet paper.
• 1:16:00
  Oh,
• 1:16:03
  pit stop hack number one.
• 1:16:05
  We talking NASCAR Pit stop or Formula one.
• 1:16:09
  Oh, road trip.
• 1:16:10
  I, I was thinking run down a Valero station in the middle of Nevada.
• 1:16:15
  You just reminded me of Rat Race where
• 1:16:20
  the girl's like, she, she hangs her ass out the window.
• 1:16:25
  Dude, I gotta go.
• 1:16:28
  I'm Prairie dog.
• 1:16:28
  It Oh, so good.
• 1:16:30
  That and sex drive where?
• 1:16:32
  Where the girl has to fill the radiator on the side of the road.
• 1:16:35
  Oh, that scene is incredible.
• 1:16:37
  But no.
• 1:16:39
  What's the best looking car of all time?
• 1:16:42
  Ooh.
• 1:16:43
  Best looking car.
• 1:16:44
  Sexiest.
• 1:16:46
  I like the like 69, like Laman, Chevelle, like that kind of muscle car body.
• 1:16:53
  That's my favorite.
• 1:16:54
  Nice, nice.
• 1:16:55
  Uh, I am super, super, super biased.
• 1:16:59
  'cause one of these has been on my mom's side of the family, in the family
• 1:17:02
  for, well, almost a hundred years now.
• 1:17:05
  Uh, I really like a 36 Ford Cabrio.
• 1:17:08
  Oh, that's a good pull.
• 1:17:09
  That's the first time somebody's gone that far back.
• 1:17:12
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:17:12
  That's awesome.
• 1:17:12
  That's a good looking car.
• 1:17:14
  I agree.
• 1:17:15
  And so when we flip that on its nose, ugliest car of all time.
• 1:17:19
  We're talking ugly.
• 1:17:20
  We're talking FI mean, uh, 1987 Ford, Mustang.
• 1:17:25
  Anything hatchback?
• 1:17:26
  Anything Scion.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:17:29
  We got a fox body on one side and we have a Toyota Corolla
• 1:17:34
  basically on the other side.
• 1:17:35
  Wow.
• 1:17:36
  No, no, no.
• 1:17:36
  Toyota Corolla's are beautiful.
• 1:17:38
  This is, if Duplos had an abortion, I've never heard it referred to
• 1:17:41
  that way, but that's that's great.
• 1:17:43
  I love it.
• 1:17:45
  Stop me when I'm wrong.
• 1:17:48
  Now I will say there's people like shaking their fists and, and getting
• 1:17:51
  their pitchforks and their torches lit. Now, when you mention the Fox Body
• 1:17:54
  Mustang, 'cause that that is sacred, that that's a national treasure right there.
• 1:17:57
  That's like, look, crocodile Dundee, you guys got ripped off in the eighties.
• 1:18:01
  I, I apologize on behalf of the Foreign Motor Company for putting out that shit.
• 1:18:05
  I'm sorry you were 19.
• 1:18:06
  The engines are great, but the body Yeah, no, I thought you
• 1:18:09
  were gonna say the other thing.
• 1:18:10
  Everybody seems to like the body and they go that 3 0 2.
• 1:18:13
  Five liters of 180 horsepower.
• 1:18:15
  What is that?
• 1:18:17
  Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  Yeah.
• 1:18:18
  That is odd.
• 1:18:19
  But it's
• 1:18:22
  so you could have that 5.0 on the side of that horrible body.
• 1:18:26
  All right, I'm done.
• 1:18:28
  If you could have any one car from television or a movie, what would it be?
• 1:18:34
  What was that car in Octopussy?
• 1:18:35
  No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:18:36
  Um,
• 1:18:39
  you just wanted to say octopus again?
• 1:18:40
  Yeah.
• 1:18:41
  Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Ooh.
• 1:18:43
  This is a, that is a tough one.
• 1:18:46
  Any car from any, can I have the war rig from fa?
• 1:18:49
  Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Any war road.
• 1:18:50
  I, I would like a big rig that has gun turrets attached to it.
• 1:18:54
  And flame throwers.
• 1:18:56
  We used to live in the San Francisco area.
• 1:18:58
  I've sat in traffic.
• 1:18:59
  I'd like a big rig.
• 1:19:00
  I'd like to do that anymore.
• 1:19:01
  So you want, you want Optimist Prime is what you're saying?
• 1:19:04
  Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:19:06
  Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:19:06
  She, she wants the war rig.
• 1:19:07
  Like, I want the war.
• 1:19:08
  Oh.
• 1:19:08
  Oh, I know you said semi.
• 1:19:10
  I I just went Transformers.
• 1:19:11
  So I was like, all right.
• 1:19:12
  Yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 1:19:12
  I believe the war rig could blow up.
• 1:19:14
  Optimist Prime.
• 1:19:18
  So it's funny when we had Brian on the show, and he mentioned that he wanted the,
• 1:19:22
  uh, the dog mobile from Dumb and Dumber.
• 1:19:24
  So, you know that that's high up on the list there.
• 1:19:27
  Do that.
• 1:19:28
  Wait, I, I, I like, uh, DeLorean with a Mr. Fusion in the back.
• 1:19:32
  Nice.
• 1:19:32
  Watch capacitor.
• 1:19:34
  See, DeLorean are cool again.
• 1:19:36
  I keep saying that.
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  You know, they always were.
• 1:19:38
  I want the tank from Tank.
• 1:19:40
  Oh.
• 1:19:42
  Uh, you just want James Gardner's vehicles.
• 1:19:44
  Like, I'll take, I'll take the Rockford.
• 1:19:46
  Uh, God, what was that, a 72 Thunderbird or something like that?
• 1:19:50
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:51
  I do, I do like that seabird nerds.
• 1:19:55
  Now, you know, this pit stop is quickly becoming the, uh, the
• 1:19:58
  scene with ogre at the urinal.
• 1:20:00
  So we white flag one lap to go.
• 1:20:01
  Now, I guess we're approaching the checker here.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, we passed the checker.
• 1:20:07
  I'm gonna do this.
• 1:20:08
  I'm gonna give.
• 1:20:09
  Steve and Izzy an opportunity for yet another shameless plug after I thank them
• 1:20:14
  for coming on this epic crossover episode.
• 1:20:17
  I hope the Petrolhead and the movie buffs alike enjoyed this episode and
• 1:20:22
  kind of realize how much crossover there is between all these films.
• 1:20:25
  And hopefully we presented some films that you haven't seen before in a new way.
• 1:20:29
  And you know what?
• 1:20:30
  Go bake off some of these films for yourself.
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  It's an easy way to kill, you know, four and a half hours
• 1:20:35
  on a, on a Wednesday night.
• 1:20:36
  Yeah.
• 1:20:36
  Well, I, I feel like we've talked about our podcast.
• 1:20:38
  Everything I learned from movies enough.
• 1:20:40
  Uh, babe, are you on social media at all?
• 1:20:42
  I am.
• 1:20:42
  I'm actually an artist.
• 1:20:44
  You can find my art pretty much everywhere under untidy.
• 1:20:47
  Venus.
• 1:20:47
  That's a goddess who's beded housework.
• 1:20:49
  I'm all over, especially over on Etsy, where I have my own little
• 1:20:52
  shop where Steve and I make awesome creations and sell them.
• 1:20:56
  That's untidy Venus.
• 1:20:57
  Well guys, again, thank you so much.
• 1:21:00
  For our listeners on Break Fix, be sure to tune into Steve and Izzy's
• 1:21:04
  show everything I learned from movies, they're available on all the majors as
• 1:21:08
  they plug several times on the show.
• 1:21:10
  It is delightful.
• 1:21:12
  The episodes are a lot of fun, and again, I have to tip my hat to
• 1:21:15
  both of you for reaching a number that maybe one day we'll get there.
• 1:21:19
  Folks, they are closing in very quickly on 500 episodes.
• 1:21:26
  I mean, that is woo, quality over quality.
• 1:21:28
  Woo.
• 1:21:29
  You can't stop us.
• 1:21:31
  You guys are epic.
• 1:21:33
  You guys are an absolute delight and I cannot thank you
• 1:21:36
  enough for coming on the show.
• 1:21:37
  This has been a lot of fun.
• 1:21:38
  Yeah, thanks for having us much.
• 1:21:40
  You'll have to Thank you so much.
• 1:21:40
  Come on our show when we, uh, get car movies coming on.
• 1:21:43
  Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Hey, we're gonna take you up on that.
• 1:21:45
  We're gonna take you up on that.
• 1:21:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:46
  Oh yeah.
• 1:21:47
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