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Hop In, We’re Drinking: Nick Rotruck & Joe Crockett on Craft Beer Hype & Untappd | Episode 73 Part 2 · The Brewery Underground Podcast | Craft Beer Interviews, Reviews and Beer Travel

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Me drinking beer with friends. No one can stop busting the
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brewery on the ground. Bob Chester and Bobby racing us
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laughs in a open beer. Do you?
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Say sinners laughs. Hey, Speaking of West Coast
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Ipas, one of the most famous ones, at least for us and maybe
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not for you guys so much if you get it a lot, but plenty of the
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elder. How do you guys feel about
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plenty? It is like kind of the ultimate
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West Coast IPA, at least in a lot of people's minds.
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How do you guys feel about it? I have never had one.
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Really. Actually it's true, but it's
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also a lie. So I I have a plenty of the
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elder and the fridge that I haven't opened yet.
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OK. But I have had what was the
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planning for president? I had that last year.
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I enjoyed it. Yeah.
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I I thought it was a good beer. But I know that that planning
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the elder, planning the younger is kind of, you know, the the
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the end all be all quote UN quote of of those West Coast IP
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as and I haven't had either one of those yet.
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And I know they just in March, they just had the planning the
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younger release. So yeah, go ahead, Joe.
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No, no, no. So I, I had never had one.
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And then my daughter and son-in-law got stationed in
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Fairfield, CA. He's in the Air Force and he was
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at the Air Force Base. So wife and I went up and stayed
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with them and the granddaughters and we went up to Santa Rosa and
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I went to the, the, the Russian River Pub because that was like,
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I, I wanted to try a plant of the elder.
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That's like, I keep hearing about this thing.
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People keep raving about it. So I went up there.
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I had one and probably not going to be a popular opinion to what
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I'm about to say. It was a good West Coast IPAI.
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Don't see what all the hype was about because two days later I
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had a Stone IPA. Way better West Coast
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representation of what it should be.
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I'm not in any way bashing Russian River.
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I would never do that. I had their blind pig that was
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amazing. I got like a flight of beer. 17
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different ones they bought to me and loved every one of them.
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I just I don't understand the hype of Plan of the Elder.
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It's a great West Coast IPA but there's better ones out there
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and that might not be a popular opinion among beer people.
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But that's just that's just me. I don't understand the hype.
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And you are a West Coast IPA guy, so you've had several of
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them. So you get that, you know, you
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understand. And you know what?
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Maybe what it should be, I can almost equate it to you guys,
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bourbon guys at all. Yeah.
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Yeah. So you know, Blanton's, right.
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Blanton's. Yeah, that's the one everybody
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chases, right? I had Steve chasing me Kentucky
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one time, like just looking for plans as kind of as I was
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getting into bourbon. And Blanton's is that same
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thing. It's the marketing again.
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It's not, it's a great bourbon. It's it's fantastic.
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But but you chase it, right? You chase it, you chase it and
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you get it like, OK, OK, it's good.
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I had it, you know, but there are so many things out there
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that could be better and at a better price point too.
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At the same time, it's that same thing.
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It's like we're, we're, we're seeking this Holy Grail kind of
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thing, or the one that they tell us is the Holy Grail.
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Yeah, and and you know, now that we mentioned that it I really
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wonder where all that starts. You know how big names come
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about and the, and, and they're so, so known.
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Like you guys, the planning Russian River group that have
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like a stronghold hold over the, the West Coast IPA.
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And then you go to the East Coast and obviously you have
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like the, the tree house cult that's up there with hazy Ipas
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and, and all that stuff. And don't get me wrong, like all
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that stuff's good, but is it better than than things you can
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get elsewhere? You know, I don't know, whatever
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it is that the branding and everything, they've just hit
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and. Availability is the other thing.
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If you can't get it everywhere, that's the one everybody wants
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again. Yep.
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Lands, right. It's allocated when it comes
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out, and they'll be righteous to get it because everybody must
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have it. Yeah.
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You know, I think Russian River distributes to seven states,
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maybe Colorado being one, and there's a few maybe in the
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Northeast, so they can get it. But if you can get it every day,
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look, I can go get plenty anytime I want.
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Yeah. Not as big of a deal, you know,
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And I think that I think that's a big point with Stone.
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Like I think Stone makes great beer, some of the best beer in
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the country. And I completely understand, you
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know, why, why Joe loves everything that they put out
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because it's great stuff. But at the same time, you know,
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have they kind of shot themselves in the foot a little
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bit, you know, being available on such a wide scale?
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Because I do. I do think that that's kind of
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part of it is that it becomes so readily available everywhere
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that. Yeah, you know it.
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It kind of turns that crowd away.
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Yeah, the masses lose a little bit of interest.
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Three Floyds was that way in this area probably most
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recently. Yeah, like I'd go to Kentucky
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and could get zombie dust and and everybody's chasing zombie
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dust, right. And you go through tap room or
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something and they give you like a 10 or a 12 ounce pour of it
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like something small. And then they finally got it
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here in in in Tennessee and like, I love it and I get it
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places, but I could get it anytime I want to now, so.
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It's not Yeah, yeah, you know, the the hunt is over.
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You you want. I want.
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And I. Think I think the next one.
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Yeah, I think the, the, the biggest example of that, at
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least for me, is the hype around treehouse.
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You know, and, and I've had, you know, people send me treehouse
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beers and and they've been good. Is it like the end all be all?
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No, it's, it's good beer. But I think that Treehouse, like
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Russian River, they built this kind of, you can't get it
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anywhere but here thing with it. Yeah.
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And it becomes this white whale of if you want it, you got to
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come to us because we're not going to send it to you.
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Right. And I think that's what helps
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kind of feed the the mystique about it.
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But like Nick, I love seeing lines for breweries.
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I think that's a great thing to come back.
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And like you guys said, you know, plenty of the younger,
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they just had the thing sold out down the street.
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And you talked about 3 Floyds, I don't know if they still do it
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or not, but they have like Dark Lord days, like 3 days of where
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they would do Dark Lord. And I used to see pictures of
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that. People lined up for like a mile
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to get like 4 bottles of that thing.
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Yeah, that's good for the industry.
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But the hype comes from if you want it, you got to come to us
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and get it. Whereas with me with Stone, they
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send it out into the world and go here's our beer.
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So there's, there's a flip side to, yeah, you got to come to us.
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But hey, you like our beer? It's available in all 50 states.
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You can get it whenever you want.
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So hey. Joe, can I, can I just say this
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about, can I just say this about Stone?
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You were talking on one of your podcast episodes about Stone so
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much. I got so excited.
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I want to run through a wall to go get it.
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I mean, I was like, I was like, this guy is hyping up to and I
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went on, I went on on tapped and I looked and I I checked in a
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Stone IPA at about why it was like 2021.
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So and and it's so funny. I've seen their beer.
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I think, Scott, they sell Stone here in Nashville, don't they?
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I think so, yeah. I was going to say it's like one
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of the things though, it's like so much beer, you know, so many
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styles. And now, because of you, Joe,
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and of course you too, Nick, I'm gonna have to go out and yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to.
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Yeah, I gotta go. I gotta go now because I listen
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to your podcast about nothing. I have to go out and I have to
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get me a Stone IPA. Well, if you can't get them, let
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us know because me and Joe both have access to it so.
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There you go. We we got you idiot back either
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way. It does go back to those things.
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If I could, you know, you look in on a shelf, right and say,
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oh, I've seen Arrogant Bastard or stuff whatever 1000 times.
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I'm just looking past it for something else kind of thing.
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But it's always there. Like if it's if it's there, you
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just kind of sometimes you just look past it.
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I'm guilty of it because when I go to a liquor store, some of my
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favorite beers might be on the shelf, but I'm looking for
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something new. That's just the way I drink
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beer. That's why I love to drink beer.
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Yep, Yep. And I and I should, I should
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have more staples in my life. It's, you know, go TOS and
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stuff. But every time I go to the
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liquor store, I want something new.
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That's that's my goal. Yeah, I, I think I'm the same
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way, way as you are, Scott, because, you know, we get so
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much craft beer at this point that you always want something
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different. You know, there's a couple beers
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that I can drink all the time and I'll get a four pack of it
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every now and then. But if I want to go out and
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spend 20 bucks on a four pack of beer, you know, I don't want to
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get the same thing over and over and over again.
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So, and, and also like, how do you broaden your horizons if you
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don't try new things? So anytime I'm the same way as
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you, you know, anytime that I see something posted or, you
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know, I'll make a weekly trip to the store and just walk up and
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down the aisles a few times just to see if something catches my
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eye that's different. And and for that reason, because
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it's always want to try, there's new things, especially once your
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palette is evolved enough to to appreciate them more.
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That's a great point. You could get a four pack of
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singles like that's how I get, and you could have four
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different styles in that thing and like, hey, maybe, yeah, I
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like Berliner. I know what a Berliner is.
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But you get throw one in there like shit, you know, you having
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maybe a newfound appreciation or something, just trying something
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new all the time. Yeah, and there.
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And there's nothing wrong with that.
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And, and there's also nothing wrong.
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We talked about it earlier with coming across a beer that you
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don't like. That's part of the learning
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process too. Like like you were saying Scott
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is, you know, it's not that and I think Joe was saying it too.
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It's not that you don't like beer, you just don't like that
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kind and you're not going to know that until you try it.
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But at at the same time, you know, going back to the untapped
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conversation, one of my biggest pet peeves are there's people
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that just bash a beer on untapped because they don't like
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it. And, and it, it drives me
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absolutely nuts because for, for example, I don't like Heath of
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Izins. I just I that clove banana
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Ester. I can't, it's too much for me.
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But if I try 1 and I don't like it, the first thing that I do
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isn't going to be to open untapped, give it like a .5
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rating and be like, this beer fucking sucks.
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You know, it's just not, it's not my style.
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I appreciate the, the style and it, it has its place among beer
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lovers. It's just not for me.
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But just because it's not for me doesn't mean I'm going to go out
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and bash it to the world either. Nick, I was just listening to
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your episode 9 this morning with you guys.
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And when you were talking about that on the Untapped app, and it
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was funny because I think one of the exact quotes you said was
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you go into a brewery and you see these people, they're on
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their phones and it kind of you kind of get on their, it kind of
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gets on your nerves because you're like, you know that
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they're looking and they're trying to figure out, do they
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want this beer based on the universal ratings?
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See, I'm just the opposite. I go in, I don't look at
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necessarily the universal ratings because I don't care
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what the universal ratings are. I go in and I'm looking on my
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untapped app to see if I've had this beer before and if I
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haven't, there's a good chance I'm going to get it.
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Now I may look to see like if you've rated it or if Joe or you
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know, Scott, if you guys have rated it in to see what maybe
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you're looking at looking at it, you know, but I want to get it.
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And if I don't like it, I don't. I mean, even before we started
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this podcast and we were talking to brewery owners, I wouldn't
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very rarely would I ever rate a beer under 3.25.
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And if, and if I, I've got to the point now that if I don't
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like a beer, if I'm rating it like a 3.5 O, that's, that's as
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low as I'm probably going to go, because it may not be, it may
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not be my style of beer, but I don't, I don't want to crap on
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on the beer industry as a whole, you know, just because, I mean,
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I don't like, you know, I like IP as I don't like grapefruit.
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If it's like a a total grapefruit IPA.
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I'm, I've never liked grapefruit in my life.
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So if I try 1 and I don't like it, well, it's kind of stupid to
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get on there and go, Oh, this thing is A1 because I don't like
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grapefruit IPA. Well, that's kind of ignorant.
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So I, I wrote, I wrote down a note for this episode and I and
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I said maybe we need to come up with an app called the Common
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Sense Beer Rating app. What do you guys think?
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How would you how would you vet those people that get on that
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app or just. You know, like common.
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Sense I don't know. I think, I think that I talked
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about it last week with, with Nick and, and, and Dave that,
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you know, my problem with untapped is like, I'll use an
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example. I am not a fan of sours.
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I don't like them. I will never like them.
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I'm like the green eggs and ham. I don't care if you put them on
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a train, eat them in the rain on a boat.
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I, I don't care. But I had a mango sour one that
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I got in a beer trade and it was put like mango sour Margarita.
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It was everything that it was supposed to be.
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It tasted like a mango sour Margarita.
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I think I put it on untapped as A5 'cause it was everything that
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it was supposed to be. The last thing I was going to do
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was going to go in there and give it a one 'cause I don't
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freaking like, no, it's exactly what the brewery intended it to
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be and they nailed it. I literally at one point forgot
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I was drinking a beer and thought I was drinking a
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Margarita 'cause it was. I don't like, I don't like
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sours. I'm not big into porters and
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stouts but I drink them and if it's good I'll give it a 5
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because it's exactly what the brewery intended.
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That's my problem with Untapped. It's allowed people to go on
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this app and bash a brewery all because they don't like the
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beer. But the beer is everything that
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beer is supposed to be. Yeah.
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So I don't be personally. I have all but abandoned,
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untapped. I haven't posted.
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I just don't do it anymore. All my stuff's on Instagram
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because I just got tired of seeing people going on and doing
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like ones and twos. And then you read it and then
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you go out and and I find the bee here and I drink and I'm
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like, this is everything the label says it's supposed to be.
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Why are you giving it a 2.5? Because you don't like?
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It yeah, you have those dopes out there and you just can't you
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can't do anything about them, you know, and you know, and and
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it's funny when we started this podcast, I never thought about
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it from that viewpoint. I never thought about it from
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the and I and I was, I don't never bash anybody.
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I mean, shit on some Bud Light or something, but they don't
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care. But I would never bash anybody
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like that. But but I never understood that
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point or never realized that point until we started talking
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to Brewers and we started bringing up untapped and we're
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like, oh shit, there's a whole nother side of this.
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You know, Sierra Nevada might not care.
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New Belgium might not care. The guy down the street cares.
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Yeah, right. You know, your local guy cares.
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You know, I mean, that's, that's, that's getting people,
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whether that, you know, people come or go to the brewery or
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not. Well, that's the thing that
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people, people go on this app and they look and, and like Nick
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said, you walk into a brewery and everybody is on their phone.
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Put your phone down, get a flight, talk to the person in
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front of you. Drink beer.
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Right. Just put put your phone down and
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drink the freaking beer. Yeah, right.
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I mean, now I'm guilty of it. You guys have seen it.
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I will take a picture of it because it's a beautiful thing
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in a glass. Gorgeous, right.
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But put your phones down, drink the beer, talk to the people
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across from you. Yeah.
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Go up and talk to the Brewer. We want to talk about the beer.
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We want to talk about it all day long to the point where you'll
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get tired of talking to us. We want to talk about our beer.
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I, I will go back and get you samples out of the tank if you
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want to let you try it. Yep.
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Yeah, Keith and Cooper have talked about that when you just
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start talking to him, like, yeah, I got something back here.
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Yeah. Put your phone away and go talk
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to someone. Yeah, Yeah.
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Joe, you're in, you're in the business.
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You're on that side of the of the of the bar, right?
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Yes, we want to be. We want to talk to you.
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Yeah, to me, I love talking to you about the beer we have on
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tap. I will give you endless samples.
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I don't care. Take pictures, whatever, but
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don't talk to me while you're looking at your phone.
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I'm going to walk away. Yeah.
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Oh, I get that completely a lot of times when I walk.
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And Scott and I talk about this all the time.
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We were actually when we had the foamy heads on last week from
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here in Nashville talking about we go into breweries and stuff
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and maybe we're going to take some, you know, pictures from
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Instagram or whatever. I'm like, yeah, when I get into
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a brewery, I've got to take pictures right away when I walk
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in because otherwise I'm consumed with the conversation.
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I'm consumed with. I'm consumed by the beer.
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When I walk in, I probably pull up my untapped app to look at
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the board to see, have I had this beer before?
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And then after that, the phone, the phone basically is going
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away. I mean, sometimes I wait till
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the next day before I even rate my beer because, yeah, you get,
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you know, you're there to have a good time.
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And as you said, Joe, you know, you want to sit there and talk
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to, you know, other people and talk to good guys like Nick over
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here who is drinking, is drinking beer constantly.
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We mean you mean walrus Nick if you saw social media.
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Tonight. Yeah, my post today.
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Cuckoo Kajoub there's. Something I wanted to, something
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I wanted to ask both of you guys.
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And this is funny. Yeah.
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Something I wanted to ask both of you guys.
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Joe, this seems an obvious question for you, so I'll ask
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Nick first is, you know, we know because, you know, people come
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into Nashville and they ask us, like, what breweries should you
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go to? You know, what are the best
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breweries, Nick, where you are, where you live in West Virginia?
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So if I'm going to come there or anybody that's listening to this
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podcast or going to listen to your podcast and they're saying
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I want to go to West Virginia into the area where Nick is.
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What are some of the breweries that you like to go to that you
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can recommend for people? So that's a tough question to
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answer. I, I can give you some breweries
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that I enjoy and some that I've physically been to, but
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breweries are kind of few and far between and West Virginia.
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So some of the beers that I like are from four or five hours
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away, just because everything is kind of on the outskirts of the
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state because we're, we're in between so many different
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places. But the one closest to me that
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I, that I really enjoy is a place called high ground
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brewing. It's in, in the Terra Alta WV,
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which is middle of nowhere, but they make some, some phenomenal
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beer. It's literally one of those
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places that you drive across the set of train tracks and there's
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like a little barn style building back there and has a
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big like American traditional eagle painted on the side of it
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just like a, like a tattoo. And you walk in and you know it.
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It's just a, a concrete floor, a wooden bar, but some of the best
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beer that I've had in the state. It's all veteran and that's
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where the high ground name comes from.
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And they make a little bit of everything from Ipas to pilsners
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to loggers and stouts. And it, it, it's probably one of
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my favorite places to go in person.
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And then another one would be Big Timber is in Elkins, WV.
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That's probably the, the biggest brewery in the state in terms of
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the beer that they put out and their, their distribution and
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everything. You know, they're a West
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Virginia staple and you kind of see them a little bit of
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everywhere that you go. And then in terms of places that
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I haven't been, but I would like to as a place called Parkersburg
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Brewing, which is on the western side of the state, like right on
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the Ohio border, they're turning out some phenomenal beers and
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they're great people. I've talked to their head Brewer
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several times at beer festivals and stuff like that.
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And he's just what Joe was explaining.
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He's one of those that he just loves to talk about his beer as
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soon as you walk up, tells you character profiles, ingredients,
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all that kind of stuff that 95% of the people that are at those
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festivals have no idea what he's saying.
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But he loves it so much and he just wants you to enjoy his
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beer. He wants to explain it to you.
19:34
And I think for me personally, that goes a long way in getting
19:37
you interested in a place's beer because they have that passion
19:41
that they wanna talk to you about it.
19:42
And everywhere that I've been that he's been at, he has that
19:46
same amount of enthusiasm. And it just makes you wanna try
19:48
the beer. And then you try the beer and
19:50
it's phenomenal. It's everything he says it is.
19:52
If I could piggyback on that with your geography, Nick,
19:55
you're close to many other states too, right?
19:57
You got Maryland right there. You said you're close.
19:59
So what are the better states to get beer to take home from based
20:03
on your proximity? Most of my beer the the beer
20:06
store that I go to is in Virginia, that that's where I
20:08
get the the biggest variety of it.
20:10
Maryland gets a decent amount and there's there's a a beer
20:15
store about an hour and a half away from me that has a solid
20:19
selection. I don't get to it nearly as
20:20
often as I do in Virginia, but you know, either Maryland or
20:24
Virginia is probably the easier of the two.
20:26
Pennsylvania has some stricter alcohol laws, so you have to go
20:29
to like an ABC store most of the time to get something like that.
20:32
And I don't go to Pennsylvania a whole whole lot.
20:35
So Virginia and Maryland are the easier ones.
20:38
West Virginia you can get some stuff, but most of it is if it's
20:41
not West Virginia beer locally, it's your typical, I don't want
20:45
to say domestic, your typical commercial craft beer.
20:48
So you're occasional your Sierra Nevadas, your Sam Adams, your
20:51
Blue moons, that you know, that kind of stuff.
20:54
And then Joe, how about you? Because I, you know, I obviously
20:56
Hawaii's different, but I, I kind of wondered when, you know,
21:01
when I was thinking about, you know, the craft beer experience
21:04
in Hawaii. I know a lot of people,
21:07
obviously when they're coming to Hawaii to visit, there's maybe
21:10
not thinking necessarily about craft beer because they got
21:12
other things on their mind. But do you find a lot of people
21:15
that are coming there too, they want to try that craft beer
21:18
experience, or is it more locals that that are into it?
21:22
Well, I can tell you what real quick I want to give a shout out
21:24
to another brewery in West Virginia that I'm a big fan of
21:27
and Nick made me a fan of them, Greenbrier Valley Brewing
21:30
Company. Nick sent me a Devil Ants IPA
21:33
and a malt and Black IPA, two of the best beers I've ever had.
21:36
Greenbrier Valley Brewing is another one in West Virginia
21:39
that I highly recommend. I wish they would have been
21:41
there when I still lived there. But I'm sorry, Greenbrier, I
21:45
love you. I got you, brother.
21:50
Don't worry about it. So you know, people come to
21:54
Hawaii, they're going to get inundated with Kona Brewing and
21:56
Maui brewing. There's nothing wrong with that.
21:59
Those beers are absolutely fantastic.
22:01
And that's what you know. Kona's got the great marketing
22:05
with the two brothers talking about big wave and longboard and
22:08
all that. And if you've ever had a Maui
22:11
Big Swell IPA, I've never had a bad one.
22:14
It's a fantastic West Coast IPA. You know, Bikini Blonde is made
22:18
with like, you know, local Hawaiian cane sugar.
22:21
But you know, the craft beer craze in Hawaii, it's been slow.
22:26
Usually we're six months behind the mainland when it comes to
22:29
stuff, but we've had such an influx of people opening
22:34
breweries here and I, and I would expect you guys would
22:37
think the best beer here is who I work for, the best brewery in
22:40
Hawaii, and I can't talk enough good things about them.
22:42
Hanukkah or brewing. Nick got some beer from them.
22:45
Those guys over there brew some of the best beer on the island.
22:49
They keep their tap list rotation fresh.
22:52
They have like 4-5 six core beers.
22:55
They release a new beer like every other Friday, their West
22:58
Coast IPA, slap their sours. It's a fantastic brewery and you
23:03
can't get it anywhere but here on the island.
23:05
They don't ship to the mainland. Beer Works is another one.
23:09
They close their initial location, they're reopening
23:12
somebody else, somewhere else with a bigger capacity.
23:15
Honolulu Beer Works, their Hop Island IPA, their Coco Vicin,
23:19
their El Guapo with cilantro Lima Agave is absolutely
23:22
amazing. Inu Allendale's, you know, Local
23:26
high Brewing, there's so many other little breweries that are
23:28
opening that people are starting to realize now that there's more
23:32
out there than Kona and Maui just because those two are in
23:35
all the stores. And again, in no way would I
23:38
ever say anything bad about either of those.
23:40
I love their beer. It's absolutely amazing.
23:43
I know the owners, I know the reps the beer is amazing.
23:46
But craft beer here in Hawaii, it's grown to the point where
23:50
not only do we have local beer, but then we have local bottle
23:54
shop named Village Beer. We got one downtown and one out
23:56
here in Kapolei where they bring in everything from the mainland.
24:00
Like now we can get Weld Works and Gigantic and Great Northern
24:04
and, and Great Notion and all these other ones we could never
24:06
get before. And I don't know how Tim and his
24:09
crew does it. He brings in stuff that nobody
24:11
else can bring in. And they're starting to be this
24:14
movement now. And you can see it in the beer
24:17
festivals. Couple years ago, the beer
24:19
festivals were mildly attended, not crowded.
24:23
Now, by the end of the festival, you can't even move around on
24:27
the fairground anymore. It is packed.
24:30
So it's got some momentum now. And when people come down here
24:33
to the island, the first thing I get asked when they come out to
24:36
where I work, this beer is good. What other places do you
24:39
recommend? Yeah, Yeah.
24:41
I don't say Kona and Maui Brewing.
24:43
I say Hanukkah, Enu beer work. Go down and try these breweries
24:47
downtown. That's local beer.
24:49
You can't get their beer anywhere else and and that's
24:51
what I tell people. And I, and I love that because
24:55
we've talked about this many times and if you can get an area
24:58
that's got multiple breweries in it, they don't have to be
25:00
walking distance, but if you can hit a little area, you know you
25:03
can hit 3 or 4. That's a day, man.
25:05
And it's to go out to 1 is a little difficult.
25:07
Sometimes I go out there or spend all day, but if I can hit
25:10
3 or 4, now we're on a little adventure.
25:13
Yeah. They're my favorite trips, and
25:16
you just line them up and you're like boom, boom, boom, boom,
25:19
yeah. Yeah, when you go out of town,
25:20
it's like, OK, this one's proximity, this one and this
25:23
one's proximity. So we can do this and now we can
25:24
go. Got to get some food I guess
25:26
apparently, and then we can stop drinking for a minute and then
25:29
we go back to drinking again. Love the one, love the ones that
25:34
are walking distance. If you can walk to them, you
25:37
know. Unless you have to stumble, then
25:39
you know. I mean, yeah, as long as you can
25:42
stumble safely, it's fine. Yeah, exactly.
25:44
That's. Right.
25:45
With the with the time difference between you guys
25:48
obviously again West Virginia, East Coast, Hawaii was that
25:51
Pacific Time? No, that's not even Pacific
25:53
Time, is it? Hawaii has its own time zone.
25:56
We are all on our own out here. OK, that's awesome.
25:59
How do you guys record and how do you guys schedule things with
26:03
with those hours with those differences in the time zones?
26:07
Very carefully. So our recording schedule
26:09
usually goes based off of Joe's work schedule because it's, it's
26:13
obviously it's easier for Joe to record on days that he is off
26:16
because regardless, it's usually the evenings whenever I'm home
26:19
from work that we're able to record because of that time
26:21
difference. So for him it, it's easier to
26:23
record whenever he doesn't have to go into work.
26:25
So for example, there's a six hour difference between Joe and
26:28
myself. So a lot of times we will record
26:31
at 6:00 PM Eastern Time on a Wednesday, whereas it's
26:35
lunchtime for Joe. So you know, it can definitely
26:39
get complicated if we ever have to venture outside of that.
26:42
And we we've had to what once, Joe, that we've had to go off
26:45
course. We had to go outside of that one
26:48
time. We got to do it again next week.
26:50
Our interview you we having like it's 9:00 my time and you got to
26:53
get off work or to get home. But yeah, it's one of those
26:56
things where, you know, it, unfortunately it works around my
27:00
schedule because I've gone from one schedule one week to
27:04
another. And Nick's really good about
27:05
adapting to that. It's just the way it's got to be
27:07
working in the industry. It's kind of like schedule comes
27:11
out every week. It's like I roll the dice or my
27:12
days off going to be the same. But Nick is real good.
27:15
But I do most of the scheduling and I'm well aware of our time
27:19
differences. And so I always try to get
27:22
people to record noon my time because I don't, on days I go
27:26
into work, I don't go in till 3:30.
27:28
So we can still record before I go into work.
27:31
And that's 6:00 next time. He's already home, he's already
27:35
relaxed, got changed out, showered, whatever.
27:37
You know, we can do it that way. Sometimes, like next week, it's
27:42
9:00 AM my time and Nick's got to leave early to come home
27:45
because that's the only time we can get this person in.
27:48
But these are the only two times we've ever had to kind of go
27:50
outside of the box of our normal recording schedule.
27:53
OK. Yeah, yeah, a lot of that's
27:56
depending on the guests too. You know, if we have someone
27:58
that's, you know, East Coast time, it's not really a big
28:01
deal. If we have someone that's,
28:02
that's Joe's time, it's definitely not a big deal.
28:04
But when we start to run into those like mountain western time
28:07
zones to where they're like smack dab in the middle of both
28:11
of us to where it's evening for me, it's lunch for Joe and they
28:14
still have like 2 hours left in their work day.
28:17
You know, that, that, that's when it gets a little dicey.
28:19
But we, you know, we, Joe and I get along just fine.
28:22
You know, and, and it's something like, like we said
28:25
earlier, you know, we don't want this to seem like a job either.
28:28
So we don't stress about it. And then when we can fit people
28:30
in, we fit them in. And when we can't, we can't.
28:32
And what, you know, we move into another week or we, we move our
28:36
schedules around or whatever we got to do.
28:38
But and I'm sure we'll come across more hurdles as we go,
28:41
but but so far everything's been fairly simple to arrange despite
28:44
the the six hour difference. That's great.
28:47
We haven't had to make those kind of accommodations.
28:49
We've done. The earliest we've done is we've
28:50
done like 3:00 PM Somebody had to do a different time zone,
28:53
like 3:00 PM But Steve's done about 3 and I just leave early
28:57
and we'll just do it at 3:00. Yeah.
28:59
So we'll just do it. You wanna do it at 3:00?
29:01
We'll do it at three, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's your bad.
29:04
Yeah. But mostly, mostly, it's about
29:06
this run, this time for us. And really, time, you know, time
29:09
is just a number for us because there's also times on the
29:11
weekends to where me and Joe get the bright idea that we're going
29:14
to drink when he gets off work. So Joe's getting home at 2:00 AM
29:18
Hawaii time and it's 7-8 o'clock over here and I'm pounding beer
29:23
and I'm half, I'm half lit by 10:30.
29:26
And over there, he's just ready to go to bed, so.
29:31
He pounds them and goes to sleep.
29:32
You pound them. Have to figure out the day,
29:34
right? Right, you guys gotta join us
29:36
for one of those. That's a great time.
29:37
Got to do it. Can I have a little interjection
29:39
here from our podcast? Yes.
29:42
All right, Joe, Steve and Scott, can I tell you a fun fact?
29:46
Yes, please. Yes.
29:48
All. Right, we're getting Steve.
29:50
We're being, we're being invaded.
29:52
You are. You're being invaded about from
29:54
the beer podcast about nothing. Did you guys know that at one
29:58
point a French pig was executed for killing a child?
30:01
What did the child do to deserve it?
30:03
So that's a fair question. A pig from the Middle Ages was
30:07
once tied to a crime involving a murder.
30:10
The pig was said to have come in contact with a child's face
30:12
which caused complications due to the injuries which led to the
30:15
untimely death of a three month old child.
30:18
The pig was eventually sent to jail and eventually publicly
30:21
executed. Wow, the hotel.
30:23
The whole town had had a great breakfast.
30:28
I miss that in History class. I just put, I just put a fast
30:33
one on Joe because usually that's his thing.
30:37
OK, wait, wait, wait, wait. Back up.
30:41
Did you say the pig got arrested?
30:44
Yes, the pig was arrested and sent to jail and then publicly
30:48
executed. I never thought the French had
30:50
his sense of humor. I.
30:51
Love it, selling it. So why do we not learn about
30:56
that in history class growing up?
30:58
Right, that's why our podcast exists.
31:01
I know. He put him in jail.
31:06
That that's when I had a hard time wrapping my head around.
31:10
They rested the pig. And put it, just take him out
31:13
and just slaughter him to be done with it.
31:15
Yeah. Have bacon the next morning.
31:18
Put him in jail. Did they put him on trial too?
31:20
What was there like a hearing? I don't know.
31:22
And also I'm assuming this was like medieval times so that they
31:25
put him like a guillotine. You know, like, what kind of
31:28
public execution are we? Did they hang him?
31:30
Hope. That.
31:31
They were all the town people invited to watch.
31:34
I don't know, did they make bacon afterwards?
31:36
You got to make bacon afterwards.
31:37
I mean, don't waste anything on a pig.
31:38
Right. I mean, it is, it doesn't make
31:41
sense, but I don't know. I hope, I hope, I hope he didn't
31:44
die in vain. The Townie.
31:51
Oh, and we have regressed. Yeah, well.
31:54
Well done, Sir. We've been well done, been
31:57
invaded, Steve. We've been invaded.
32:01
We had to bring, we had to bring part of it over.
32:04
I like the random fun facts so. Far that's pretty good.
32:10
Hey, by the way, I don't know if it was ever part of the podcast,
32:14
but you guys did a drunk dance party and was that just for
32:16
Instagram or what? But it was that part of the
32:18
podcast. That that was that was part of
32:21
those two AM, 7:00 AM drinking days.
32:24
So it was like 10:00 AM here, 5:00 AM Joe's time, and we were
32:28
just drunk and wild at that point.
32:31
Could we bring it back? I got home like 2:00 in the
32:36
morning. Been a long day and I was like 5
32:39
Wookie Jack Rye Ipas in by that time and Nick's like you want to
32:43
do is I'm like, yeah, that's how that came about.
32:45
We have another one that he hasn't posted yet.
32:47
We've done two of them. We're going to need to see that
32:49
I like. It Yeah, there's a second one
32:51
out there. I forgot about it and I I came
32:54
across on your social media and I was like, oh, the drunk dance
32:57
party. Maybe that don't you guys think
33:01
since I'm doing a a summer tour, that Scott that needs to do a
33:06
summer tour, maybe like a dance party, maybe the the Scott
33:10
summer tour dance party. What do you guys think?
33:13
I think we need to, yeah, yeah. I like it.
33:15
I mean, I did Celters Insiders last year.
33:18
I actually paid for Celters Insiders last year for the
33:21
podcast. This year I'm doing West Coast
33:23
Ipas. Scott got to step up for the
33:26
podcast, buddy. Do I go to strip club to strip
33:29
club is that? To be older?
33:30
No. Whatever you want to do, maybe
33:32
we'll auction you off. What?
33:33
Kind of dancing are we talking about?
33:36
I don't know, maybe, maybe Nick and Joe, since they're they're
33:39
the dance number guys, maybe they could create a dance for
33:41
you or something. I mean, I can dance right now.
33:44
This isn't live, right? Like we're not recording.
33:46
No, not at. All just three guys 4.
33:49
Guys hanging out. Joe, you told me not to put on
33:51
pants. This is embarrassing.
33:57
Or just just another happy hour. It's a.
33:59
Random happy hour. Yeah.
34:00
That's what we should do. We should take one of our happy
34:02
hours and do a whole drunk dance party with like all eight of us
34:05
all. Right.
34:06
If there's if there's seven other people doing, I might, I
34:08
might move a little bit. I mean, it's, it's like 20
34:11
seconds. That's fine.
34:11
You don't even have just close your eyes and deal with me.
34:15
Like, I don't know what I'm doing.
34:16
I I just grabbed my drink and I put my head down and I'll do
34:19
something like this. Yeah.
34:20
You get a little music going, yeah.
34:22
That's yeah, it's fine, surely. They're not looking at me,
34:24
they're looking at the other seven people.
34:26
That's right. I need to get, I need to get you
34:29
guys like a little AI song that you can throw into your podcast
34:33
somewhere. I do like your songs.
34:35
I was. Listening to the words earlier
34:37
today, I have. I have so many of them.
34:39
Yeah, he does. Like it?
34:41
I just went down a rabbit hole one day for like 6 hours and.
34:45
It was a. It was a great time.
34:47
Yeah, I cast, I listen to it. It rings in my head for like
34:50
hours. It is about nothing.
34:53
Yeah. Did his job.
34:56
Hey, so you guys talked about earlier, you guys have never
34:58
met. Oh, by the way, let me ask this
34:59
question real quick before I get to that.
35:01
Joe, how tall are you? Because I meant to ask that
35:04
earlier and it's relevant, kind of.
35:06
I am 6 foot 8 1/2. Pretty tall you you wouldn't be
35:10
able to tell it from from this sitting down, but it still blows
35:14
my mind. Hey Scott, how tall am I?
35:16
I've 85656 by 55555. OK, all right.
35:23
I actually have met you, so I don't remember.
35:25
I was gonna say, you've seen me in person.
35:27
We were drunk 80% of the time. Yes, you're a good hugging
35:32
height. I hugged that on you quite a
35:33
bit. Yeah, and but then my face is
35:36
just in your belly button. Little dancing going on.
35:42
I don't know see when when you're wondering about what to
35:44
edit. Just kind of.
35:45
Write stop recording at this point.
35:49
Why, I thought, are we, are we not going that deep?
35:52
I don't care. That's why you leave it up
35:53
there. Just.
35:54
Throw away. I don't know you can you know
35:56
I'm not having anything other than me.
36:00
We. We might offend some other beer
36:03
Instagramers. Yeah, we don't want to do that.
36:06
We don't want to offend the. We don't want to offend the beer
36:09
drinkers of the world. But.
36:12
You guys haven't met in person, but you guys are going to meet
36:15
in San Diego here what in May, right?
36:17
What are the some of the things you guys are going to do?
36:20
We're going to meet over Memorial Day weekend, like the
36:22
Thursday to Monday, and it'd be the first time that Nick and I
36:24
have ever met in person. But you know, doing the happy
36:27
hours and doing the podcast, him and Ashley become part of our
36:30
family, like what we call here in Hawaii, Ohana.
36:33
They're definitely ohana. So it's not like when I meet
36:35
Nick, it's going to be awkward or whatever.
36:37
I've already know everything about him, about Ashley, about
36:40
the dogs and all that. But we have 345 days of nothing
36:44
but breweries and shenanigans planned.
36:46
And, and, and, and I asked Nick, I said, Are you sure that Ashley
36:51
is ready for this? Because, you know, my wife knows
36:53
we're going to San Diego. But I mean, is she really ready
36:56
for what him and I are going to do when we're there?
36:59
Because we're we're staying somewhere, said Nick.
37:02
How many breweries are within walking distance to where we're
37:05
staying? Like 25.
37:07
Nice. You have it all mapped out kind
37:09
of where you're going or is it just going to be like a day to?
37:11
Day So so I sat down to do that a couple weekends ago and I
37:14
brought up the map, stared at it for about 20 minutes and I
37:17
closed my laptop because it it was just overwhelming.
37:21
And then like just trying to, because my, my plan was, you
37:24
know, where our, where our Airbnb is at, You know, there,
37:28
there's so many breweries S there's so many N there's so
37:30
many to the West. So I'm going to be like, OK, if
37:33
we, if we go, if we just go straight N, you know, we got X
37:37
minutes from the house to here. And then we got X minutes from
37:39
this brewery to this brewery. And there's just so much there
37:43
that I'm just like, Oh my God, I, I don't have the mental
37:45
capacity to do this. But before we get there, like,
37:48
yes, I would like to map it out, but you know, there's enough
37:51
options too that if we eventually just walk One
37:54
Direction, we're going to run into something somewhere.
37:57
Yeah, or or find if somebody's got like a key place they want
38:00
to go to. Hey, let's we got to make make
38:02
sure we hit these spots and we can just fill in the rest kind
38:04
of thing too. Right, yeah, we, we have, you
38:07
know, a handful of places that are that are must stops.
38:09
So, you know, I'm sure it'll come down as as well to all
38:13
right, what is around that area to where we can go here, here,
38:17
here, here. And then we've had a couple
38:19
suggestions from some other enthusiasts too that have said,
38:23
OK, you got you got to hit here, you got to hit here, you got to
38:26
hit here. So that's helped too.
38:28
So, you know, between Thursday afternoon and and Sunday night
38:33
before you fly out on Monday, we're we're going to, we're
38:35
going to make our mark on San Diego.
38:37
Yeah. Yeah, no doubt you're.
38:39
Coming for you, San Diego. Yeah.
38:40
They're coming for you. Be ready.
38:42
Do they have White Castles out that way or they just over here
38:45
stop it? They have Sonic which is just as
38:48
bad. Hey Steve, can you mute him?
38:55
That would bring it out that that we get it out that we're
38:57
going to add it out. Back in kind of like like
39:00
downtown San Diego, but we are going to venture up north a
39:03
little bit like we're going to put obviously we're going to
39:05
make the pilgrimage to Stone, obviously.
39:08
Yeah, Black Plague Brewing, there's Belching Beaver there.
39:11
Those are three most things we have to do.
39:13
But when Nick and I first started talking about this, we
39:16
originally going to go somewhere else and decided on San Diego.
39:18
And when he sent me the address of where we're staying, I went
39:21
and punched it up and I'm like, we don't even need to drive
39:25
anywhere, like at all. And I don't know if that's a
39:28
good thing or a bad thing, to be honest with.
39:31
You. And I mean that that was kind of
39:33
like whenever I was trying to find a place to stay, like
39:35
obviously I wanted to be near breweries, but I don't think I
39:39
knew San Diego was a, a big area for beer.
39:42
I didn't know it was that big. And whenever it came down to it
39:46
and I started looking up Airbnbs and stuff like that.
39:49
And then I brought up some sites about San Diego breweries.
39:53
There's so many that they have like neighborhoods for
39:56
breweries. Nice to, to where like, OK, you,
39:59
you know, you got. So we're staying near 30th St.
40:02
and 30th St. has 2025 breweries within 10 blocks.
40:07
You know something like that, which is wild to me.
40:09
Yeah, that's ideal. Right.
40:11
So that's where we're actually staying at.
40:13
But then there's like a coastal section that has another 15 to
40:17
20 and then the northern section has like 20 to 30.
40:21
You know, they're a little more spread out, but they're still
40:24
all up there. And I'm like, this is impossible
40:26
to pick like a perfect spot. So 30th Street, where we're
40:30
going, it seems to be there's some, there's a bunch of
40:32
breweries, but there's also a lot of tap rooms to where places
40:36
that are not just San Diego, but California just have a bunch of
40:39
tap rooms that you can go in at least still have their beer, so.
40:42
Yeah, you might not make it to the brewery, but you could have
40:45
their beer all under one roof. And how many days are you doing
40:48
this for Nick? We're doing it Thursday to,
40:52
we're flying in Thursday, flying out Monday, so basically
40:55
Thursday afternoon to Sunday evening we have.
40:57
Free so there will be no sleeping or any of those
40:59
breweries open in like you know 4 it doesn't matter you know
41:02
just think of your back and there's not going to be any
41:04
sleep going on you're. Just going to be it doesn't
41:06
matter. It's just going to be be beer, a
41:07
couple naps here and there with some coffee in the morning and
41:10
then and back to the beer. Have you checked?
41:12
Out the breweries that have brunch, that's always.
41:15
Important. It is definitely on our list.
41:18
So I've got a, I've got kind of a random question for you, but
41:21
we get a lot of when the seasons change, beer when the seasons
41:24
change, and I'm going to pick on Sam Adams for a minute, but some
41:28
rail is already out in March, right?
41:31
Oktoberfest comes out in freaking August or whatever is
41:33
it? Do you see that over there too?
41:36
And I asked that because it's is it more delayed over there where
41:39
you actually maybe get some of that seasonal stuff when the
41:41
season actually is? Although you don't have many
41:43
seasons over there either, do you?
41:45
No, you know, over here it's pretty much 83° and sunny every
41:48
day, somewhere every day. But but you know, like I said
41:52
earlier, we're we're a couple months behind the main 1.
41:56
So when you say that, you know, you get Sierra Nevada
41:59
celebration like August or September down here, we don't
42:02
get it until November. So it's we get it kind of at the
42:06
time we're supposed to get. It when you're supposed.
42:08
To know how they have it. But the local breweries here,
42:12
you know, during the summer, they're starting to do sours
42:14
now. They do the German Bach beers, a
42:17
Hellesbach, a vice beer or Crystal Vice.
42:19
They do those at the appropriate times.
42:21
Nobody's jumped on the Oktoberfest train yet.
42:24
I don't know why. I'm going to try to work on
42:26
that. Yeah.
42:27
Talk to my language brother. Yeah, absolutely.
42:30
And Can you imagine an Oktoberfest on the beach?
42:33
It would be insane. But no.
42:34
So down here, those beers come out exactly when they're
42:39
supposed to, like like Sam Adams Summer Ale.
42:41
It won't even be on the shelves here until Memorial Day weekend.
42:45
That's. Perfect.
42:46
It's it's exactly how it should be.
42:48
And that that's loud to me because I just had two summer
42:51
ales like 2 weeks ago. Yeah, I haven't had any.
42:56
Yeah, but I'm overdue. You know, I'm that guy that as
42:59
soon as Sam Adams Oktoberfest comes out, I'm that guy the
43:02
first day at the store ready to get it.
43:05
And I don't care if it's the end of August, I'm getting it.
43:08
You're coming home with the whole case of it.
43:10
Yeah, yeah, just about. Yeah, but then you can get
43:13
Winter Logger in October. Exactly.
43:16
No thanks. So would you really wanted this?
43:18
Not there. And I love summer ale.
43:20
I like the Oktoberfest too. But summer?
43:21
I love to see it, but fucking Zoom comes around in July.
43:24
It's gone. Yeah.
43:26
Like I'm drinking a summer ale and it's 25° outside.
43:29
Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't.
43:30
I don't. I don't.
43:31
Get it? So I'm sorry, you said so.
43:34
You said October, you don't get Oktoberfest there at all.
43:37
No, we do. But it comes out like the end of
43:40
August 1st, part of September. OK Yeah.
43:44
All of our Sam Adams seasonals here, they come out within a
43:47
week or two before the season. I mean, it's said to be summer
43:51
here all the time. So it's kind of ridiculous, to
43:53
be honest with you. But you know, it's it's it's 83°
43:57
in June. It's 83° on Christmas Day.
43:59
It doesn't change. But we still like to bring in
44:02
the seasonal beers. But they hit exactly when
44:05
they're supposed to. Like, it won't be a summer ale
44:08
on the shelf before Memorial Day weekend, and you won't see it
44:11
after August. It'll be gone.
44:13
And then by that time, they'll be caring it out for the
44:15
Oktoberfest. That'll be gone the middle of
44:17
October. And then the winter fest kicks
44:19
in and then around Thanksgiving they they put the Sam Adams
44:23
Christmas pack with like the old Fezzywig L in it.
44:26
That's what comes out. And then by January, that's
44:29
gone. Yeah, we've laughed about that
44:31
on on on our podcast as far as like when I know this year, when
44:37
Sam Adams, Oktoberfest, when I saw it at a store here and I
44:40
think it was like the end of August.
44:42
And then I go in and I'm like, there's pumpkin, their pumpkin
44:46
beer right next to it. And I'm like, no, come on now.
44:49
No, that's. No, I know.
44:53
And they always say it's, you know, they're fighting for shelf
44:56
space and all that. I mean, just fight for it during
44:58
the season that it actually is. What difference does it make?
45:03
Like if your beer's good enough, it'll survive, right?
45:05
Yes, Yeah. I get geography, like the
45:09
Northeast is probably different than where we live.
45:10
It's obviously different where, you know, where Joe lives out
45:13
there in Hawaii. So seasons are different little
45:15
bit, you know, gets hot here earlier.
45:16
So, you know, in May it might be 90° and that might fit.
45:20
But also in July, I still need that and it's gone.
45:24
Yeah. I'm self admittedly I'm a little
45:26
biased because I'm a big Oktoberfest guy and it could go
45:29
on all year for me. However, I also understand that,
45:33
you know, it shouldn't go on all year, even if it is for me.
45:38
You'll change your mind once you develop your love for West Coast
45:41
Ipas. There you go.
45:43
There you go. Thank you, Sir.
45:46
Thank you, Sir. Report back.
45:48
I'm going on tour. Soon everybody TuneIn for ticket
45:52
sales. No, no, Steve, I've got a little
45:54
fact for you and you probably saw it on my stuff.
45:56
And and Joe, if you've looked at Steve's background and his wall
46:00
behind him, he's a Reds fan. Joe is a lifelong Reds fan, too.
46:04
Steve, did you know that? I think you had told me that at
46:07
some point. Well, I think I put.
46:09
You probably read my note. We haven't talked about the Red.
46:13
Joe Scott and I are going through the Reds up in in
46:16
Cincinnati in May. Oh that, that's something I miss
46:19
cuz, you know, growing up in West Virginia, we didn't have
46:21
professional sports of any kind. We had family live in Cleveland.
46:25
They were Cleveland Indians fan, but my dad was a lifelong Reds
46:28
fan. Yeah.
46:29
And we used to go up to Cincinnati for all the home
46:31
games from when I was little, 5678 years old.
46:35
Yep. Until he passed away when I was
46:36
9. And then I still stayed a Reds
46:38
fan. I remember seeing Johnny Bench
46:41
play, you know, and just the the Reds teams from yesteryear,
46:46
which were really good. But I'm a lifelong Reds fan,
46:49
Will never like any other baseball team, die hard Reds.
46:52
I was born and raised, will never like anybody else.
46:55
Well, you know Scott and I do every year and we've done this
46:59
for probably 7 or 8 years. The back story on this, I'll
47:02
give you it. So every year in May, my family
47:06
and I, we get together and we do a Big Reds outing.
47:09
The biggest reason for it is because my my older brother Mike
47:13
passed away about 11 years ago. He and I were Big Reds fans.
47:17
We used to go to games all the time and he had diabetes, passed
47:21
away of a heart attack. After he died, my cousins and I
47:24
got together and said, you know what, we need to have something
47:28
every year in his honor. So we have a Reds outing every
47:31
year in his honor, and we're doing it in May.
47:34
Scott comes up for it. He never met my brother, but he
47:37
comes up for it. He's been coming up for like 7
47:40
or 8 years now and when he when he started coming, you know, we
47:45
got in the crap beer together. We started going to breweries
47:48
together and we've added days on top of not only do we do a
47:53
couple of Reds games and the big outing for my brother, we also
47:57
do a whole big thing of breweries every year.
47:59
So it's a whole lot of fun. That sounds like fun.
48:02
It's grown. Yeah, Pete Rose should be in the
48:06
Hall of Fame. Yes, he should.
48:08
Agreed. Agreed.
48:10
That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, I'm honored to.
48:13
Steve invites me every year and we get to go.
48:14
But in this kind of how our whole thing started, we would
48:17
leave breweries and be like, Hey, we should start a website,
48:20
which we have, But and then it evolved to let's let's start
48:23
some social media, let's do a podcast because of same thing as
48:26
you guys, we're experiencing all these beers and we're drinking
48:29
all these beers. We need to.
48:30
We need another outlet. Yeah, I think, I think the
48:33
first, I think the first time that we did like the Reds and
48:37
brewery outing up there, it was maybe like 3 days because
48:41
Cincinnati has a great brewery scene.
48:44
And so we went up there and it was maybe like go up on a
48:46
Friday, come back on a Sunday or Monday.
48:49
And then after about two years, I said, you know what, we need
48:52
to add like another day. So we keep adding days.
48:55
And this year we've added how many more days, Scott?
48:58
Is it 7-8? And in two additional cities.
49:03
Yeah. Now, like this year, we're going
49:04
to Snoopinati, we're going to Columbus, and we're also going
49:07
to Cleveland. Let me know when you guys go,
49:09
maybe actually can I and I can come meet you guys one time.
49:12
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Especially cause Cleveland is
49:15
probably closest to you right of those cities.
49:18
Yeah, Cleveland probably, if I had to guess, 4 hours maybe.
49:22
Okay, I know Columbus is 4 hours.
49:24
I'm not sure how much further Cleveland is or how much
49:26
shorter, but but yeah. But yeah, going back to that,
49:28
Joe, I'm a diehard Reds fan, as you can see, and Finn went all
49:32
my life. I've probably have been to.
49:35
I don't know if I had to count how many baseball games, Reds
49:37
games I've been to in my life, it's probably been about 200.
49:40
Yeah, no, that, that's the same way I remember getting in the,
49:42
you know, big old Buick Skylark with Finns on the back with my
49:45
dad when I was 6 and driving to Cincinnati and watching the
49:49
games and staying overnight and coming back.
49:50
And then when I was stationed in Miami, they come down there and
49:53
play the Marlins military, get free tickets, go see the Reds
49:56
play the Marlins. Sometimes they win, sometime
49:58
they didn't. It's just one of those teams
50:00
that I just kind of latched onto through my dad and I'm just a
50:03
die hard Reds fan. I, I, I love the Cincinnati Reds
50:06
and you know, we've had up and down years and, but it's just
50:10
the whole it, it doesn't matter. It's the whole experience of
50:13
being a Red fan. And if you've ever been to the
50:15
stadium or ever seen him play, it's just that whole it's like,
50:19
wow, I get to see my team play finally, you know?
50:21
Yeah. Yeah, well, if you both of you
50:24
guys, if you guys ever decide you're going to go, let me know.
50:27
I'd I'd love to join you up there because it's a fun time.
50:30
Nick, are you a baseball guy at all?
50:31
I love baseball. It's my favorite.
50:33
You're you an Orioles fan? Do I remember?
50:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah. AL East baby, right here, you
50:39
and I. It's it's been tough living for
50:41
Orioles fans last. 30 years, you guys.
50:43
You. Yeah, but you guys?
50:44
Have a good team. We're getting.
50:45
We're getting there. We're getting there.
50:46
Yeah, you guys, I'll drop being a Red fan.
50:48
Come on. Tell me about it.
50:51
Yeah. Hey, Speaking of which, if you
50:54
guys ever get tired of of Ellie De la Cruz over there, send them
50:57
our way. Yeah, I'm thinking about, I
51:00
think in 2029 when he becomes a free agent, he's probably
51:02
heading to the Dodgers, probably.
51:05
Yeah, I agree. They, they have no, no limit on
51:08
their payroll right now. So.
51:10
Exactly, Yeah. When you defer 650 million, you
51:14
can do that. Yeah, it's going to catch him
51:16
eventually. He could end up in the Bronx,
51:18
Steve. You never know.
51:20
You never know. I think Baltimore is better.
51:25
Hey, by the way, are they still talking about kind of moving the
51:28
the Orioles out of Baltimore? No, I wouldn't think.
51:31
So whenever so they sold the team before last season and
51:37
whenever they did that they signed like a 20 year contract
51:40
with the stadium. OK, I hate that.
51:41
Like a storied franchise like that, you can't move those
51:44
teams, man, because they've won a World Series.
51:46
If they would have moved, they would have came to you guys.
51:49
I know. So you could have, you could
51:52
have got something there. I know maybe because that's the
51:55
AL East, right? We could see the Yankees play,
51:57
which is why you go to ball games and then.
51:59
That's why that's why tickets are double when they're in town.
52:04
We might be able to. Maybe we can get the Rays now
52:06
since they backed out of their stadium thing down there in
52:08
Tampa. There you go.
52:09
Because they got destroyed, right?
52:11
Like they're they're. Destroyed.
52:13
Yeah. And then they had committed to
52:14
the city about building a new stadium form, and then they've
52:17
backed out of the deal about building the stadium.
52:19
So about being the Rays don't want to be in that stadium.
52:22
So I don't know what they're looking at.
52:23
Maybe Nashville. We'll see.
52:25
I mean, we love trying to get every NBA.
52:27
They're trying to get into the NBA and.
52:29
Look, you can you can take this NFL team out of here.
52:32
If you want to put a baseball team in.
52:33
I'm happy with that. Yeah, there's not much to sell
52:37
there right now, naturally. Hey, by the way, let's build a
52:41
brand new stadium at the same time.
52:43
Dude, I don't fucking get it. Like we're we're like the lowest
52:47
of lows and we're going to, we're going to buy a multi
52:49
$1,000,000 stadium. Yep, I don't get it.
52:52
Hey you want to buy some PP called PSL's for a shitty
52:57
product? Yes.
52:58
All all it is just get the Super Bowl here and against the.
53:02
Lake, you can do that. Correct.
53:03
That's what happens everywhere, right?
53:05
Like they, they bring the Super Bowl in, they bring the draft in
53:08
and all that, all that stuff. It just brings in revenue.
53:11
I've got a few stats I want to run by you guys.
53:13
All right, let me run these stats by.
53:15
These are podcast stats, all right?
53:18
Do you know that there are 4.19 million podcasts registered
53:21
around the world? Wow, somebody came ready.
53:25
Yeah, apparently anybody can do it though 'cause we all are.
53:28
So alright, how about this? South Korea has the most podcast
53:35
listeners in the world. Wow, get out of here.
53:39
Yep, that's kind of surprising. Okay.
53:41
Yep. Spain, Ireland and Sweden and
53:43
the US. Yep.
53:43
So we're gonna have to have some Korean guests on or we're gonna
53:45
start speaking Koreans to try to get our listenership up.
53:49
That'll be the summer tour for you, Scott.
53:51
You can learn. Okay, I could do that.
53:54
But now I'm kind of offended because I don't think South
53:57
Korea's on our listener list. On my creators app it's.
54:00
Not. We do have Russia on ours
54:01
though. We picked up Russia.
54:02
We got Russia. Yeah, we got Russia.
54:04
You got Russia too you. Got Russia?
54:06
Yep. I got two more, OK, podcast
54:09
revenue market was expected to reach $4 billion globally in
54:13
2024. So like advertising and
54:15
podcasting guys, we we got to get a piece of that somehow we
54:18
got any warehouse like we do 4 billion. 4 billion.
54:22
Do we do we need to merge? Is that?
54:24
Is that what we got to do? We have to do that.
54:26
You bring your advertisers, we'll bring ours.
54:29
Does that mean since there's four of us, we're going to be
54:30
doing a four hour podcast to? Break it up.
54:34
Don't have? His he will.
54:35
Have his Yep. Yeah, we'll have our own hour.
54:37
Yeah, that's. What it is?
54:38
Yeah, we'll. Be the We'll Be the Hop in
54:40
Underground podcast. Hop in.
54:44
We're drinking an underground podcast.
54:45
Yeah, yeah. All right.
54:47
One more and this is actually kind of cool.
54:49
Only 1% of podcasts make it past 20 episodes, so you guys will
54:53
certainly be there. And you guys have surpassed
54:56
that. Well done.
54:57
Thank you. We love 2 parters.
54:59
Yeah. Anyway, something else I want to
55:02
say as we close this thing out, man, you guys are doing more
55:05
than just a podcast. And I think you guys realize
55:08
that you've probably been told thank you by people in the, in
55:11
the business or in the, in the industry as far as promoting
55:14
breweries and craft beer as a whole.
55:17
So you're doing more than just getting on the on the mics and
55:20
talking about, you're promoting the industry.
55:22
And I think I think it's a positive thing.
55:24
And I think you'll hear a lot of thank you's from people you talk
55:27
to for doing that. Well, yeah, we, we appreciate
55:30
that and, and really we don't do, you know, none of us do it
55:33
for that, right? We do it just to right to, to do
55:36
it as a passion project essentially.
55:37
But any kind, any type of awareness or recognition that we
55:41
can bring along the way is, is just, you know, icing on the
55:44
cake because we're, we're none of us are here for, for fame or
55:47
money or, or anything like that. You know, we're just here to to
55:51
talk about something that we love and we embrace and we all
55:54
have a common interest in and hope, hope that it hits
55:56
somewhere. Yeah, So what it is too is to to
55:59
bring awareness to home brewing. We want to get people home
56:02
brewing, you know, talked about the very beginning.
56:05
Countertop systems are out there.
56:07
You don't have to invest in a bunch of 3, four, $500 and $900
56:12
glycol system or whatever. Just get into it.
56:14
It's a, it's a great hobby. It's a great thing to be
56:18
passionate about. You know, the best thing about
56:20
it is the community that we have.
56:21
It's the beer industry, the IG beer community.
56:24
I say it all the time, the IG beer community rocks.
56:27
We are, you know, I think Nick said it last week, we talked
56:30
about with Dave that people go on there to make it appear like
56:33
they're happy or their lives are the perfect thing.
56:35
We get on there because we're the people that we say we are.
56:39
Like I, I got home at 2:00 in the morning last night and
56:41
almost crushed a 19.299 percent, 90 minute.
56:46
That's who I am. Yeah, that's the only reason I
56:48
did it. But get people into home
56:51
brewing, get them passionate about beer.
56:53
And I'm going to throw this out there.
56:54
Hey Stone, if you want to sponsor Nick and I, please feel
56:57
free to do it. Yes, please.
56:59
Yes, yes, Stone. Do it, I'm bored.
57:04
We found. Our dare.
57:06
You union. On the ground floor of these.
57:08
Guys. Because we, we really do love
57:11
the podcast. Honestly, listen to every
57:13
episode. You guys are doing a great
57:14
thing. You're being yourselves.
57:16
You got a passion for it. Look, and I said this many
57:19
times, we're consumers. I think we're all beer consumers
57:22
first. So that's kind of where our
57:24
expertise comes from. But we just love it.
57:27
We're going to we're going to continue to drink beer that we
57:28
had these or not. Yeah, there you go.
57:30
All right, Joe and Nick from the Hoppin Drinking podcast.
57:35
We're a drinking podcast. Guys, thanks for being on.
57:39
We appreciate you so much and I know we will see you guys soon.
57:43
Absolutely. Thank you so much.
57:44
We love you guys. Appreciate you guys too.
57:46
Love you guys too. Cheers.
57:48
Cheers. From the Brewery Underground
57:49
podcast. Cheers, cheers, cheers, because
57:51
it's never too. Much to handle.
57:56
We're never too strong to go. Come on everybody, let's step.
58:06
Drop, drop, drop. The.