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161. Caleb Marshall, 'The Fitness Marshall' · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Whenever I saw a door close, I was just like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: where's the next door? Like, how can I open that?
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Speaker 1: And I think that as I've gone on in this career,
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Speaker 1: that's become even more evident, because I cannot tell you
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Speaker 1: the amount of doors that are continuing to be shut
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Speaker 1: in my face. But the minute that happens, I give
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Speaker 1: myself a day, I'm sad and I get up and
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Speaker 1: there's another door right there, And that's always going to
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Speaker 1: be true. But the minute you just let yourself sit
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Speaker 1: in the sadness of rejection, you're never going to find
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Speaker 1: that next door and it's not going to pop up
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Speaker 1: before you decide to stand up and look for it.
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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily a body here. You are listening to
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Speaker 2: episode one sixty one of Hurdle a While, this focus
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Speaker 2: podcast where I sit down with inspiring individuals to talk
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Speaker 2: about big wins, tough moments, and everything in between. On
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Speaker 2: the show, you can expect vulnerability, motivation, and candid discussions
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Speaker 2: with everyone from top athletes and CEOs to aspiring entrepreneurs
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Speaker 2: on what it really takes to follow your passions. My
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Speaker 2: mission is simple to inspire you to be your best self,
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Speaker 2: move with intention and have some fun along the way.
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Speaker 3: Today I am chatting with Caleb.
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Speaker 2: Marshall, better known to his three point two two million
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Speaker 2: YouTube followers and many more as the Fitness Marshal. In
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Speaker 2: today's episode, we talk about his journey to becoming a
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Speaker 2: top YouTube creator, where he uses his platform to spread joy,
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Speaker 2: self love, and confidence to many people all around the globe,
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Speaker 2: using as one of a kind, as he likes to
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Speaker 2: call them, fit entertainment routines. Seriously, go check out his channel,
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Speaker 2: It's just the Fitness Marshal over on YouTube, and you
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Speaker 2: will not only have a blast, probably laugh a ton,
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Speaker 2: but also if you give it a whirl and go
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Speaker 2: out one of these routines, you are going to sweat
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Speaker 2: up a workout.
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Speaker 3: There are so many things I love about this episode.
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Speaker 2: We talk about everything from his upbringing and coming out
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Speaker 2: during his teenage years to going to college and coming
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Speaker 2: to terms with the fact that he needed to pursue
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Speaker 2: a career doing what he loved, and what he loved
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Speaker 2: was dancing. We also talk about what it was like
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Speaker 2: for him to build his YouTube channel, what goes into
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Speaker 2: creating all of these videos, which the production quality is
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Speaker 2: absolutely unreal, the battles and the hurdles that he has
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Speaker 2: conquered along the way. Caleb just gives off this beautiful
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Speaker 2: energy and the way that.
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Speaker 3: He speaks and the content that he produces.
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Speaker 2: He's really just putting into the world this beautiful vibe
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Speaker 2: that no matter your age, your size, your ability, your gender, expression,
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Speaker 2: your color, everyone has a place period and he didn't
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Speaker 2: always feel that way. So I just I can really
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Speaker 2: relate to his messaging. I'm really amped to have on
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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Caleb Marshall Better knows is
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Speaker 2: three point twenty five million YouTube subscribers and growing and
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Speaker 2: many more as the Fitness Marshall. Hi, hello to us.
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Speaker 2: First and foremost, what is the fitness Marshal?
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, what's the best way to explain it? The
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Speaker 1: Fitness Marshal, I like to say, is like Britney Spears
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Speaker 1: mixed with Richard Simmons and one giant celebratory musical fitness Baby.
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Speaker 1: So we are here having a good time, celebrating dance,
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Speaker 1: moving our bodies and just really making fitness fun and exciting,
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Speaker 1: which I think was sorely missing kind of before my era.
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Speaker 1: And so it's just been really exciting to get to
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Speaker 1: celebrate people's bodies and dance and music without all of
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Speaker 1: the barriers to entry and the intimidation that comes with
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Speaker 1: just having fun and pretending to be a pop star.
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Speaker 2: I love that kind of concept, like being a fitness
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Speaker 2: pop star. When that terminology like came around for the
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Speaker 2: first time, you were like, that's it, That's exactly what
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Speaker 2: I'm doing here.
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Speaker 1: Well, I kind of I mean not to toot my
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Speaker 1: own horn, but I kind of coined that myself because
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Speaker 1: I was super insecure with my body. You know, when
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Speaker 1: I was younger, and I remember I love to perform,
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Speaker 1: and that was kind of my escape where I felt
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Speaker 1: the most confident in the most secure in myself. And
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Speaker 1: so once I got to college, I was even more like,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like I'm getting older, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how to get into fitness, and I really also have
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Speaker 1: all of these negative associations with my body. And I
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Speaker 1: realized that the thing that helped me so much when
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Speaker 1: I was younger was just the stage and the escape
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Speaker 1: was the same thing that I could use to help
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Speaker 1: me get into fitness and make it something that I
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Speaker 1: enjoyed and that was fun and exciting. And so I
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Speaker 1: really just married those two things, and I realized that
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Speaker 1: almost everything in life can be solved by pretending to
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Speaker 1: be a pop star.
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Speaker 2: Now you're moving with millions of people. But was movement
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Speaker 2: always like something that you were really into? Were you
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Speaker 2: active growing up?
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Speaker 1: Like what's the oh, I guess you know. I don't
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Speaker 1: think that you could have found one person in my
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Speaker 1: life that would have said, you know, Cale's Kale's going
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Speaker 1: to be a fitness pop start. No, I was not
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Speaker 1: into fitness. I loathed it. I thought it was boring.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was hard. I did not. I thought
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Speaker 1: you had to be a certain type of person to
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Speaker 1: do fitness, so unless you had a six pack or
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Speaker 1: you looked like the people on the fitness DVDs, like
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Speaker 1: that's who fitness was for. And so it was something
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Speaker 1: that I had really just counted out from the beginning
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Speaker 1: because of all of the barriers to entry. And so I,
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Speaker 1: you know, I played sports. My parents said that until
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Speaker 1: I turned ten, I had to play basketball and baseball
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Speaker 1: and soccer, and so I got to, you know, kind
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Speaker 1: of test the waters and experience those things. But I
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Speaker 1: also was really into dance and performing, so at the
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Speaker 1: same time, I got into tap dance and hip hop
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Speaker 1: and jazz, and I got to do other things that
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Speaker 1: weren't me moving my body. But I don't think it
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Speaker 1: registered to me that, oh, that can be fitness too.
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Speaker 1: In my mind, it was like, no sports is fitness.
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Speaker 1: Lifting weights' fitness. Crying in the mirror and pinching yourself
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Speaker 1: while doing jumping jacks's fitness. I never thought that something
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Speaker 1: that could be so fun could be a way to
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Speaker 1: actually keep yourself healthy and work out. And so it's
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Speaker 1: weird because I guess in my mind, I say no
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Speaker 1: but I guess the answer is yes, I was moving
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Speaker 1: my body.
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Speaker 2: And I mean you said until ten, your parents were
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Speaker 2: really enthusiastic about you playing all of these sports.
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Speaker 3: Was there like some sort of like prior it's.
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Speaker 1: So weird, like the age of the numbers, Like I
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Speaker 1: remember when I was younger, I couldn't watch cartoons that
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Speaker 1: were TV Y seven until I was seven. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: watch PG thirteen movies until I was thirteen. Like it
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Speaker 1: was very like God has said Spider Man is for
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old and older. Like it was so weird
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Speaker 1: how numbers work. So I think they were just like,
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Speaker 1: until you turn ten, you have to play sports, and
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Speaker 1: then we will give up and let you do whatever
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Speaker 1: you want.
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Speaker 3: Geez okay.
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Speaker 2: So when you say you could do whatever you want,
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Speaker 2: was there like a conversation that dance was the move?
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Speaker 3: Literally?
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Speaker 1: You know what? I think that it was just I
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Speaker 1: was already in it, and so I was already doing
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Speaker 1: dance and acting, and so it was more like, hey,
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Speaker 1: now you have more time to take even more dance
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Speaker 1: classes and more acting classes, and I really just got
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Speaker 1: to dive in to what I loved and kind of
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Speaker 1: let go of the things that really didn't make me
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Speaker 1: so happy, which is really cool that my parents did
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Speaker 1: that because I didn't feel the pressure to please them
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Speaker 1: or really be something else for them. I really got
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Speaker 1: to be celebrated and the things that I loved doing,
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Speaker 1: and so that was really exciting just to have that
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Speaker 1: space to do that, especially not feeling confident as a kid,
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Speaker 1: like I wasn't the popular one. I didn't like the
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Speaker 1: way my body looked, I didn't really feel like I
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Speaker 1: fit in. But when I was on stage, that was
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Speaker 1: my escape, and that's where I felt like I could.
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Speaker 1: I could be myself and be super confident and have
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Speaker 1: the time of my life. And so it was really
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Speaker 1: exciting just to get to explore that and have that
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Speaker 1: escape as a kid, especially because I don't know what
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Speaker 1: I would have don not having that, like going to
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Speaker 1: school and having a bad time and then coming home
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Speaker 1: and having nothing to like make me like full or
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Speaker 1: feel fulfilled. So I think it would have been really
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Speaker 1: scary had I not had. You know, the performing arts.
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Speaker 2: So when you start to get into the performing arts,
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Speaker 2: where do you see this going at the time. Did
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Speaker 2: you have like an aspiration to be an actor, did
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Speaker 2: you like want to move to New York and be
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Speaker 2: on Broadway, Like what did you want to do?
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a Disney Channel star. I thought
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Speaker 1: that by the time I was fourteen, I was going
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Speaker 1: to be Caleb Colorado. Hannah Montana would be canceled, I
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Speaker 1: would be the next superstar. And I really thought that
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Speaker 1: I that was just my trajectory. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: think that I had a full plan in my mind,
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Speaker 1: especially not for fitness. But I knew that in some way,
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Speaker 1: like I had to perform because I knew that I
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Speaker 1: wasn't met for doing anything else that I couldn't really
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Speaker 1: put all of my passion to. And so I thought
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Speaker 1: that I was going to go to LA get picked
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Speaker 1: up by a casting agent. And I remember going like
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Speaker 1: when I got to high school, I got to start
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Speaker 1: going out to LA once a year for auditions, and
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Speaker 1: I got told no, no, no, no, no, we don't
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Speaker 1: need you. You're not And it wasn't all bad, but
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Speaker 1: it was never I never got picked. I was never
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Speaker 1: the one that got signed for anything. I never got
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Speaker 1: past the first round of the audition. And so it
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Speaker 1: was really soul crushing for me to realize that the
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Speaker 1: thing that I thought that I was really good at
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Speaker 1: and met four in this world, no one else felt
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Speaker 1: the same way, and so it took me kind of
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Speaker 1: just accepting that that wasn't my path and kind of
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Speaker 1: moving on from that. And I like, when I got
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Speaker 1: to college, I had thought that door closed. I was like,
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Speaker 1: I turned eighteen, I've got the crease is setting in
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Speaker 1: my I got some smile lines coming. I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to be a child actor anymore. And I really thought
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Speaker 1: that it was all over because I had listened to
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Speaker 1: all of these people who had told me what I
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Speaker 1: was supposed to do with my life, and I kept
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Speaker 1: trying to put myself in a box for this person
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Speaker 1: and this person instead of just creating my own and
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Speaker 1: I think getting all of that rejection, I had two choices.
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Speaker 1: One I could listen to it and be sad and
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Speaker 1: defeated the rest of my life and say, oh, this
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Speaker 1: world sucks and it wasn't meant for me. Or I
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Speaker 1: could make my own path and be like, you know what, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to double down on the things that I
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Speaker 1: love doing the most and create something out of that
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Speaker 1: instead of trying to just create something that's already out
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Speaker 1: there for somebody else where.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that level of determination came from in you,
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Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people would have maybe
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Speaker 2: not by choice, but just because of circumstance, gone with
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Speaker 2: that option one.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I think it's really the way just
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Speaker 1: my I'm wired. I when I get it might be
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Speaker 1: the add it. I just when I have something that
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Speaker 1: I want, I go for it. And I really didn't
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Speaker 1: have another option because I'm not good at a lot
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Speaker 1: of other things that would require me to do a
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Speaker 1: traditional job. I have a really hard time with the
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Speaker 1: planning and the organizing and the putting energy and effort
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Speaker 1: into things that don't spark my passion. Like I can't
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Speaker 1: emphasize enough that I have to do what I love,
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Speaker 1: and so I just never even gave myself a plan
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Speaker 1: B for that. It was it when I guess whenever
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Speaker 1: I saw a door close, I was just like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: where's the next door? Like how can I open that?
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Speaker 1: And I think that as I've gone on in this career,
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Speaker 1: that's become even more evident because I cannot tell you
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Speaker 1: the amount of doors that are continuing to be shut
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Speaker 1: in my face. But the minute that happens, I give
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Speaker 1: myself a day, I'm sad and I get up and
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Speaker 1: there's another door right there, and that's always going to
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Speaker 1: be true. But the minute you just let yourself sit
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Speaker 1: in the sadness of rejection, you're never going to find
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Speaker 1: that next door, and it's not going to pop up
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Speaker 1: before you decide to stand up.
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Speaker 2: Look for it.
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Speaker 3: Love that piece of advice.
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Speaker 2: So you mentioned getting to college feeling a little unsure.
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Speaker 3: What are you majoring in At the time.
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Speaker 1: I majored in video production. So I decided when I
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Speaker 1: went to college that I was not meant to be
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Speaker 1: in front of the camera. I was like, Nope, that's
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Speaker 1: not for you. You are going to be behind And
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Speaker 1: I genuinely do love being behind the camera. I love
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Speaker 1: the production aspect of it. I still edit and shoot
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Speaker 1: all my own videos. But I went to school thinking
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Speaker 1: that that's all I was going to do, and so
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Speaker 1: I kind of spent that whole time taking all of
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Speaker 1: these production classes, but really I was simultaneously teaching these
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Speaker 1: dance fitness classes. Because I got to college and I
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Speaker 1: felt so sad because I wasn't on stage, I wasn't performing,
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Speaker 1: and I felt like a piece of me kind of died.
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Speaker 1: And I started also really getting nervous because I was,
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Speaker 1: you know, a gay man eighteen going to college, and
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Speaker 1: I had no idea how to have a healthy relationship
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Speaker 1: with fitness. And the first thing that I decided to
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Speaker 1: do it was take this dance fitness class that reminded
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Speaker 1: me of an old Zuba class that I took in
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Speaker 1: high school. And it was this moment where I felt
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Speaker 1: like I got to be on stage and feel confident
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Speaker 1: in myself and feel that that rush of euphoria that
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Speaker 1: I got when I was on stage.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned coming into college being a gay man. When
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Speaker 2: did you come out.
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Speaker 1: I came out at I think it's sixteen or seventeen.
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Speaker 1: It was right before my senior year of high school.
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Speaker 3: Talk to me about that experience for you.
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, it was really hard. It's not something
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Speaker 1: I planned on doing. I come from a conservative Christian
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Speaker 1: family and there were very traditional values implanted in my
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Speaker 1: brain and I don't think that for a second anyone
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Speaker 1: thought that this tap dancing sky dancer's Barbie loving boy
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Speaker 1: wouldever like be anything but a CIS straight man. And
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Speaker 1: it was something that I had to I guess. I
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Speaker 1: guess I was kind of forced out in a way
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Speaker 1: because I had a boyfriend when I was, I think
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Speaker 1: set sixteen seventeen. My mom went through my phone and
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Speaker 1: found text between us, and then, I mean all hell
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Speaker 1: broke loose because she was like, you're never seeing him again.
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Speaker 1: The whole family knows about this. This is not happening.
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Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? It was all and it
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Speaker 1: was so crazy because it was all about them. It
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Speaker 1: was all about how they felt. Meanwhile, I'm terrified. I
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Speaker 1: have been struggling with my sexuality since I was a child.
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Speaker 1: I mean, my first prussures in kindergarten. I can remember
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Speaker 1: I had like little butterflies for a boy. My entire life,
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Speaker 1: I've been so scared that at some moment I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be found out and I'm going to be exposed
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Speaker 1: and everything's going to be over. And so that moment
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Speaker 1: finally happens, and then somehow it becomes all about how
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Speaker 1: my mom felt, how my grandparents felt, how my dad feels.
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Speaker 1: And so it took a minute for I think everyone
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Speaker 1: to realize, wait a minute, I'm the one going through this,
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Speaker 1: Like this sucks for me not choosing this. It's not
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Speaker 1: like this is the shirt that I decided to try
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Speaker 1: on today, Like I'm stuck with this for my life,
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Speaker 1: and at that point in time, I had still been
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Speaker 1: trying to like pray the gay away my whole middle
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Speaker 1: I mean middle school, high school. It was awful, and
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Speaker 1: so I had gotten to a point where I accepted myself,
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Speaker 1: and I was so frustrated that everyone around me was
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Speaker 1: kind of where I was in middle school, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm already here, like this is who
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Speaker 1: I am, and I not a single part of me
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Speaker 1: thought about going back in the closet breaking up with
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Speaker 1: this person. It's like we talked about I mean, I
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Speaker 1: am who I am. I'm passionate about who I'm passionate about,
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Speaker 1: and if you don't like that, then I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 1: But it took a while for them to kind of
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Speaker 1: learn and accept. And it only took them, I would say,
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Speaker 1: about a year to really integrate my partner with the
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Speaker 1: family and for everything to be okay. A lot of
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Speaker 1: kids don't have that. Kids get will get kicked out,
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Speaker 1: will never speak to their family again. Like my family
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Speaker 1: loved me enough to learn, but it was not something
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Speaker 1: I think anyone was prepared to have to even start
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Speaker 1: thinking about. So I'm really grateful that I still have
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Speaker 1: the relationship with my family that I do, but it'll
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Speaker 1: always be sad that it's something that I had to
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Speaker 1: help other people go through, because it's really it'd be
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Speaker 1: really nice to grow up and just feel loved and
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Speaker 1: accepted from the beginning. And that's what I think is
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Speaker 1: really exciting for gen Z and like the new generations
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Speaker 1: that are going to have just a lot more understanding
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Speaker 1: and acceptance because of the generations who didn't have that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you even imagine what you would have done
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Speaker 2: if she hadn't found your phone?
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Speaker 1: No? I mean really, I don't know if I ever
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Speaker 1: would have had the courage to have that conversation. Like,
18:42
Speaker 1: I hate confrontation. I loathe it. I would rather you
18:47
Speaker 1: can just put me in a barrel and roll me
18:50
Speaker 1: down the hill and I just would never have to
18:53
Speaker 1: talk to you about it again. Like I think that's
18:56
Speaker 1: really difficult for a lot of people, and so I
18:58
Speaker 1: never That's why I hate when people were forced out
19:00
Speaker 1: of the closet or people get upset at other others
19:03
Speaker 1: for not coming out or making this big statement. But
19:07
Speaker 1: it really is such a personal and terrifying journey. And
19:11
Speaker 1: so while I'm grateful that I was forced out and
19:13
Speaker 1: I was actually forced out of my friends too. I
19:15
Speaker 1: had friends when I was like fifteen. They sat me
19:18
Speaker 1: down and they said it was like a group of
19:21
Speaker 1: like four of them, one being the guy that I
19:22
Speaker 1: ended up dating as my first boyfriend, and they were like, Caleb,
19:26
Speaker 1: we love you. You are homosexual. We know it. You know it.
19:32
Speaker 1: You are gay. And I was like, oh my god, stop, no,
19:34
Speaker 1: I am not. And then I just had a moment
19:39
Speaker 1: where I could like kind of start inching my way out.
19:42
Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful they did that because it allowed
19:45
Speaker 1: me to live my truth. But again, everyone's journey is unique.
19:48
Speaker 1: So for someone else that might be terrifying and awful
19:51
Speaker 1: for them to be like forced out or found out.
19:53
Speaker 1: So it is all so individual. But in my experience,
19:57
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I had my friend friends there first
20:01
Speaker 1: who kind of knew about my sexuality for I would
20:03
Speaker 1: say almost a year before my family did. And it
20:06
Speaker 1: really gave me that feeling of having my chosen family
20:09
Speaker 1: because even if my family didn't accept it, my friends
20:12
Speaker 1: loved me so much and so that made it so
20:15
Speaker 1: much easier. And that's why I'm a big proponent of
20:18
Speaker 1: chosen family and family doesn't have to be blood it's
20:21
Speaker 1: the people who would love you when are there for you,
20:23
Speaker 1: and who fill you up and can grow with you.
20:27
Speaker 3: With a reach like yours.
20:29
Speaker 2: You probably get asked a lot of questions about coming out,
20:34
Speaker 2: and for someone who may be struggling with doing so
20:38
Speaker 2: in their home, I mean again, very big difference for
20:40
Speaker 2: you being forced out, being found out versus coming out
20:44
Speaker 2: on your own choice. But what do you say to
20:46
Speaker 2: those people who come into your dms and are like, help,
20:49
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
20:50
Speaker 1: It's really it's really difficult because it is so unique.
20:54
Speaker 1: But I think that the most important thing is that
20:56
Speaker 1: everyone is living their truth and is able to be
21:00
Speaker 1: confident in who they are. And when you tell people
21:04
Speaker 1: who don't agree or who you're scared to tell, that
21:07
Speaker 1: is their own journey. So if they don't accept you
21:10
Speaker 1: for being you, if they try to change you, that
21:12
Speaker 1: is their baggage. That doesn't mean you could have told
21:15
Speaker 1: them any differently. That doesn't mean you did something wrong.
21:18
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you should change who you are. That
21:20
Speaker 1: means that they have something they need to work on
21:22
Speaker 1: within themselves. So have the courage and the bravery to
21:26
Speaker 1: tell your truth. But know that someone not receiving that
21:29
Speaker 1: well has no bearing on you, and that is the
21:33
Speaker 1: hardest thing for people to accept. But whoever is there
21:37
Speaker 1: for you after you are living as your most authentic self,
21:40
Speaker 1: those are the people who are supposed to be around you.
21:42
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a necessary spring cleaning, a necessary awakening,
21:47
Speaker 1: and it's uncomfortable, but just know that all of that
21:51
Speaker 1: that is going to be happening after is other people
21:54
Speaker 1: working through their own shit. Not You.
21:57
Speaker 2: Love that piece of advice, And again, as you said,
22:01
Speaker 2: chosen family is kind of what happens as a result
22:04
Speaker 2: as a result of that. So you mentioned taking those
22:08
Speaker 2: dance cardio classes in college. Do you remember in college
22:12
Speaker 2: the first dance cardio class that you actually went to?
22:15
Speaker 2: Because when I think about going dance cardio class, I
22:18
Speaker 2: feel like there's like that initial hurdle, so to speak,
22:21
Speaker 2: when you get in there and you're like, am I
22:23
Speaker 2: really just about to be like completely in inhibited and
22:26
Speaker 2: like go completely wild in here?
22:28
Speaker 1: There there was this and I remember the instructor, her
22:31
Speaker 1: name is Kayla, and she she was leading this like
22:35
Speaker 1: the first week of college classes and it was this
22:37
Speaker 1: Far East Movement song, and I remember we were like
22:41
Speaker 1: like making this big movie. Were like driving our arms
22:43
Speaker 1: like this, going backside to side and everyone just having
22:46
Speaker 1: so much fun, like pretending they're driving a car down
22:49
Speaker 1: like Las Vegas Boulevard, and I was like, oh my god,
22:52
Speaker 1: this is so fun, like this is a big party.
22:56
Speaker 1: And it was the same feeling like I took a
22:59
Speaker 1: Zooma class in high school and I got the same thing.
23:02
Speaker 1: It was Sean Kingston's fire burning on the dance floor.
23:04
Speaker 1: I remember we were like, shohtie bay get burn it
23:06
Speaker 1: on the dance and it was so much fun. And
23:09
Speaker 1: that was my teacher, Natalie. That was like my dance
23:11
Speaker 1: teacher from middle school was teaching the Zooma class to
23:14
Speaker 1: me in high school. And it's all these like little
23:17
Speaker 1: things that kept happening, and I kept having the same
23:20
Speaker 1: euphoric rush when I was in these dance cardio classes
23:23
Speaker 1: that I thought were just for somebody else's mom, and
23:26
Speaker 1: then I was like wait a minute, no, like this
23:28
Speaker 1: is exactly what I need.
23:30
Speaker 3: Somebody else's mom. But so true.
23:35
Speaker 2: I mean, I think growing up, like we're all exposed
23:38
Speaker 2: to dance in such a way, especially dance cardio where
23:40
Speaker 2: it's like mom goes to step aerobics, Mom goes to zoomba,
23:43
Speaker 2: like moms loved dancing growing.
23:45
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, But moms get it. Obviously they're doing something
23:49
Speaker 1: right because it is fun. It is not just for
23:53
Speaker 1: one type of person. And also, I think that notion
23:57
Speaker 1: of what's cool and what's in is something that I
24:00
Speaker 1: dispise because I remember spending so much of my time
24:05
Speaker 1: worrying about what's the end thing, what should I be doing,
24:09
Speaker 1: what should my body look like, what's the new trend?
24:12
Speaker 1: And then I realized there is no cool for a
24:16
Speaker 1: certain age. It's just what do you have fun doing,
24:18
Speaker 1: what do you enjoy doing, and that's all that matters.
24:21
Speaker 1: If you're having a great time doing it, then it's correct.
24:24
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be the trendiest or whatever that
24:28
Speaker 1: may be. If you are connecting to it, then you're
24:30
Speaker 1: in the right place. And I think that's what I
24:32
Speaker 1: love so much about the fitness martial inness space we've created.
24:35
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't matter what your body type is, it
24:38
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what age you are, it doesn't matter what
24:40
Speaker 1: kind of music you're into, your dance experience, your sexuality,
24:43
Speaker 1: your gender expression. Like, get on the dance floor and
24:46
Speaker 1: move your body. Let's party.
24:48
Speaker 3: Period my job. We're done that. We can be done
24:50
Speaker 3: with this podcast. Now we're good. So you remember we
24:53
Speaker 3: just recounted your first dance cardio class. It was great.
24:56
Speaker 2: You were driving down the boulevard as you go to
24:58
Speaker 2: graduation and you're trying to think about what you're going
25:00
Speaker 2: to do in the world, and you're like, holy shit,
25:03
Speaker 2: I'm going to launch a YouTube channel.
25:04
Speaker 1: It's funny, say graduation. I didn't even go to my graduation.
25:08
Speaker 1: I sat. I sat on my porch. I made myself
25:13
Speaker 1: a really shitty margarita, and I had my cap and
25:16
Speaker 1: gown on it, and I took the selfie and I
25:18
Speaker 1: said happy graduation, Caleb. And graduation was happening, like literally
25:23
Speaker 1: so close, and I was like, you know what. I
25:26
Speaker 1: at that point, I was again so disconnected from my
25:30
Speaker 1: major and the whole idea of you graduate and now
25:34
Speaker 1: go find corporate job b and go do that. That
25:38
Speaker 1: was not on my mind. I remember the summer between
25:41
Speaker 1: junior year and senior year that I was going through
25:45
Speaker 1: this awful time. That's when the guy that I was
25:48
Speaker 1: dating we broke up. So but that was like my
25:51
Speaker 1: first relationship and my it was like a five year
25:53
Speaker 1: relationship and so I lost that, and then I was
25:56
Speaker 1: having this moment of Okay, so my relationship's gone, and
26:00
Speaker 1: I'm about to go into my senior year of college
26:02
Speaker 1: and have no concept of what I want to do
26:04
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And it was this
26:06
Speaker 1: big aha moment of wait, you keep coming back to
26:10
Speaker 1: these like cardio classes. The only thing you care about
26:13
Speaker 1: is what new dance you're going to do next week.
26:16
Speaker 1: If that's so important to you and that makes you
26:17
Speaker 1: so happy, then let's make something out of that and
26:20
Speaker 1: see if see if it sticks, Like, what's the worst
26:23
Speaker 1: that could happen? No one watches your videos? Okay. So
26:26
Speaker 1: I went home from this summer internship and I created
26:30
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel and I created a brand behind it,
26:33
Speaker 1: and I took the fitness Marshal because my last name
26:36
Speaker 1: is Marshall, and I made it kind of like army
26:39
Speaker 1: themed because my family has all been in the military.
26:43
Speaker 1: And I think it's also really funny, like little game
26:45
Speaker 1: me like dancing around mary pants. So it was just
26:49
Speaker 1: really fun. And I just started pumping out like videos
26:53
Speaker 1: every week. And I was remember in my senior year,
26:56
Speaker 1: like I was doing all these projects, trying to I
26:59
Speaker 1: was getting great, great but also at the same time,
27:01
Speaker 1: all of my mental effort was in this YouTube channel,
27:04
Speaker 1: and in eight months of starting it, by the time
27:07
Speaker 1: I graduated, I had one hundred thousand subscribers, and so
27:10
Speaker 1: that was really what I needed to know, Okay, this
27:13
Speaker 1: is working, Like it's not like, Okay, you've gained just
27:17
Speaker 1: you know, a thousand subscribers in a year, which it's
27:19
Speaker 1: still really cool and amazing, but it was like it
27:22
Speaker 1: gave me enough confidence to not run out and go
27:24
Speaker 1: get a job I didn't want, and so I just
27:28
Speaker 1: put everything I had into this YouTube channel that with
27:32
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand subscribers was making me zero dollars because
27:36
Speaker 1: I use copyrighted music and so I still to this
27:39
Speaker 1: day don't monetize my videos, and I think that is
27:42
Speaker 1: also a huge misconception. Yeah, that's a huge misconception because
27:46
Speaker 1: people think once you have views, you have money, But
27:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a copyright pan on every video
27:52
Speaker 1: I put out, Like that's just that was never the
27:54
Speaker 1: case with me, and so I had to be even
27:55
Speaker 1: more creative. And luckily, like I found my partner who's
27:58
Speaker 1: also my manager camera and we started dating a couple
28:01
Speaker 1: of months after I graduated, and he's really like business brains.
28:06
Speaker 1: I'm like, dance, creative, be happy, and he was like,
28:11
Speaker 1: but how are you going to pay it? Rent? I
28:12
Speaker 1: was like, be happy, dance and so it was a
28:16
Speaker 1: really good kind of merging of two worlds and he
28:19
Speaker 1: kind of helped build out all of the business parts
28:22
Speaker 1: of it. And we've really in six years, me, Cameron
28:25
Speaker 1: and my two best friends from high school who are
28:27
Speaker 1: our backup booties, have built kind of this empire together
28:31
Speaker 1: and now we're we were touring where we have our
28:34
Speaker 1: own active whereline, We're working on other projects on the side.
28:37
Speaker 1: There's just so much happening that happened out of necessity.
28:41
Speaker 1: We didn't have the luxury of just getting views and
28:43
Speaker 1: getting a big paycheck. It's been a constant hustle and
28:47
Speaker 1: a constant pivot to keep this going as a career.
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31:11
Speaker 2: When you started creating this YouTube content, did you think
31:14
Speaker 2: extensively about like the format that you wanted to create
31:17
Speaker 2: things in, or what types of dances that you would
31:20
Speaker 2: be doing, Like talk to me about where it started
31:22
Speaker 2: versus like maybe where it is now.
31:24
Speaker 1: How it started, how it's going. It was so intentional
31:27
Speaker 1: from the beginning. I often I feel I can criticize
31:33
Speaker 1: for overthinking things, but in this case it worked because
31:37
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, if you start this and
31:41
Speaker 1: it blows up, what could you do potentially forever? And
31:47
Speaker 1: that's a lot to think about. But I knew exactly
31:51
Speaker 1: how I wanted it to look. I saw, like a
31:53
Speaker 1: lot of fitness videos were they had like different angles
31:58
Speaker 1: in like moving camera and things like that. I was like, hey,
32:01
Speaker 1: I want my camera on a tripod. I want you
32:03
Speaker 1: to be able to see this like you're at an
32:05
Speaker 1: actual fitness class and you're looking at it and the
32:09
Speaker 1: camera doesn't move, so you know exactly what's going on.
32:11
Speaker 1: So that was one thing that I think set me
32:13
Speaker 1: apart from other fitness videos. And then I was intentional
32:17
Speaker 1: from the beginning about I want to have a mic
32:19
Speaker 1: on and I want to use the master track of
32:21
Speaker 1: the music. And so I had no equipment, which is
32:25
Speaker 1: why most videos you see don't have a high production
32:28
Speaker 1: value because it's expensive to have a microphone and lights
32:31
Speaker 1: and a camera and all of this. So my friend
32:34
Speaker 1: was in the production school because I had already graduated,
32:37
Speaker 1: and so I had my friend rent out production equipment
32:40
Speaker 1: from the school so I could use it to shoot
32:43
Speaker 1: all of my videos. And I did that until I
32:46
Speaker 1: had enough to save up for actually my own microphone
32:48
Speaker 1: and my own equipment. But it was always about I
32:52
Speaker 1: want the music to be popular and exciting everyone. From
32:55
Speaker 1: the beginning was like, use royalty free music, use copyright
32:58
Speaker 1: free music, and I was like you and get it.
33:00
Speaker 1: One day this is going to pay off, Like one
33:03
Speaker 1: day someone is going to see this, and so I
33:06
Speaker 1: wanted that to be a thing as well. I had
33:08
Speaker 1: the camo pants and the tank top on. That was
33:10
Speaker 1: my branding. For like five years, I wore the same outfit,
33:13
Speaker 1: which is to anyone else exhausting, but it became a
33:17
Speaker 1: point of recognition. People knew me not only for my
33:22
Speaker 1: dance or my personality, but even if you just saw
33:24
Speaker 1: it for a minute at some point, that was going
33:27
Speaker 1: to be repetitive enough, like a cartoon character for you
33:30
Speaker 1: to recognize me based on my outfit. And so that
33:32
Speaker 1: was another way I got it out there. And then
33:35
Speaker 1: I mean the branding of the name, I came up
33:37
Speaker 1: with a fitness marshal backup booties were the people, but
33:41
Speaker 1: the girls behind me. Then it was like the fans
33:43
Speaker 1: were called the booty Army. Like it all was just
33:46
Speaker 1: very strategic in a way that I kind of built
33:48
Speaker 1: a brand from the before even getting out there. And
33:51
Speaker 1: so like my first set of videos, I released fourteen
33:54
Speaker 1: at a time and just to have like a full
33:56
Speaker 1: hour long set that people could do and actually work
33:59
Speaker 1: out to just kind of build off of that. But
34:01
Speaker 1: if you look at the videos. The format's the exact
34:04
Speaker 1: same six years later. I do more fun effects, I'm
34:07
Speaker 1: better at editing the qualities better, but it's the exact
34:10
Speaker 1: same video now as it was six years ago. And
34:13
Speaker 1: so when you're building a workout, you can pick any
34:15
Speaker 1: video you want and it'll fit perfectly into that format.
34:18
Speaker 1: And so it's it all works together so well.
34:22
Speaker 2: I love that tidbit you said about well, I didn't
34:25
Speaker 2: have the right equipment, so I just figured it out
34:27
Speaker 2: and I started anyway. And I think that oftentimes so
34:31
Speaker 2: many people let logistics like that stand in the way
34:34
Speaker 2: from going after what it is that they want. Like
34:37
Speaker 2: you didn't know the first thing, I'm sure about starting
34:40
Speaker 2: a YouTube channel, or how to get people to subscribe,
34:44
Speaker 2: or you know, all the filming and the product, like
34:46
Speaker 2: you went you had a degree in production, but you
34:48
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying, Like there were so much.
34:50
Speaker 1: Watch YouTube before I started a YouTube channel.
34:52
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to podcasts before I started a podcast.
34:54
Speaker 1: I love that. It's so great because it's just you'll
34:58
Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, longer I do this, And
35:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel the same way. It's
35:02
Speaker 1: just like everyone is just figuring it out. As they
35:05
Speaker 1: go and making the rules up as they go. If
35:08
Speaker 1: you create good content, people will find it and you
35:11
Speaker 1: can always make it better, and that's exciting. My first videos,
35:16
Speaker 1: I am horrified by some of them, the way I
35:18
Speaker 1: am instructing, the way some of it looks, the way
35:21
Speaker 1: I am dancing completely off center, which I still sometimes do.
35:26
Speaker 1: But it's not like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed
35:28
Speaker 1: I should have never done that. I'm so proud of
35:31
Speaker 1: how I've grown because I'm like, when people watch that
35:33
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and then watch my current videos,
35:36
Speaker 1: they can see the progress, and I think that's so important.
35:39
Speaker 1: And I hate how I feel like we're in a
35:41
Speaker 1: place where people go back and just erase all of
35:43
Speaker 1: the things that they don't like or the embarrassing things,
35:46
Speaker 1: because then that makes other people feel like they have
35:49
Speaker 1: to be perfect before they start. Like, No, I want
35:51
Speaker 1: you to see my journey because that, I think is
35:54
Speaker 1: the most human thing you can do, and it's something
35:57
Speaker 1: I'm proud of. I'm not embarrassed of it. Like I've
35:59
Speaker 1: come a long way and that's really cool.
36:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cool.
36:02
Speaker 2: So speaking of coming a long way, obviously so much
36:06
Speaker 2: farther along in the journey than you were right after college.
36:09
Speaker 2: When do you realize I mean, one hundred thousand subscribers,
36:12
Speaker 2: a lot going on, But when does it really start
36:15
Speaker 2: to feel like it's super taking.
36:16
Speaker 1: Off side a video go viral. It was Megan Trainer's
36:20
Speaker 1: me Too, and I remember I uploaded that to Facebook
36:25
Speaker 1: and then overnight it had one hundred thousand views on
36:29
Speaker 1: Facebook and I was like, whoa. And then the next
36:32
Speaker 1: day it had like five hundred thousand, and then a million,
36:36
Speaker 1: and then ten million, and then Megan Trainers retweeting it,
36:40
Speaker 1: Megan Trainers following me. A clothing company in Australia, cotton On,
36:45
Speaker 1: is reaching out to me asking me to do a
36:46
Speaker 1: world tour with them, and all of these things start
36:51
Speaker 1: happening at once, and I'm like, whoa, this is just
36:54
Speaker 1: the craziest moment. I'm getting so many emails from media
36:57
Speaker 1: companies being like, do you want to do a reality show?
37:00
Speaker 1: And that was that was the craziest moment, just the
37:04
Speaker 1: me too video, Because I think virality is I mean,
37:07
Speaker 1: what's even viral anymore? Like someone can go viral and
37:11
Speaker 1: get a billion views, and someone can go viral and
37:13
Speaker 1: get up you know, ten thousand views, like it's all
37:16
Speaker 1: based on your own perception of what that is. But
37:19
Speaker 1: for me, that was just the biggest, most immediate growth
37:25
Speaker 1: I guess in a video, and the most attention I
37:28
Speaker 1: got in at one time. And so that's when I
37:31
Speaker 1: got really excited and thought that, Okay, this is something
37:34
Speaker 1: really really cool, Like we can for sure make money
37:37
Speaker 1: off this at some point or somehow. But then that
37:41
Speaker 1: is also what started my decline and what started probably
37:45
Speaker 1: one of the saddest times for me in this career,
37:49
Speaker 1: because every video was chasing that success, and every time
37:53
Speaker 1: I put out a video that didn't get as many
37:56
Speaker 1: views or didn't get the attention, I was like, you're
37:59
Speaker 1: not as good anymore. That was your peak, You're not enough,
38:02
Speaker 1: And it was just this negative self topic kept happening,
38:06
Speaker 1: and until I broke out of ever trying to do
38:08
Speaker 1: that again. Like I was just miserable trying to recreate
38:12
Speaker 1: I mean miserable. I wasn't miserable. I still have always
38:14
Speaker 1: had a great job, but it was just the most
38:17
Speaker 1: soul sucking time to try to constantly compete with yourself
38:22
Speaker 1: or keep trying to live up to a standard that
38:25
Speaker 1: is just not realistic and not attainable. I didn't make
38:29
Speaker 1: that video with all of those things in my head.
38:32
Speaker 1: I made the video and it just happened to connect
38:35
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And that was not intentional. It
38:38
Speaker 1: was just by chance. And so the only way that
38:40
Speaker 1: was going to happen again is by having that same
38:44
Speaker 1: authentic reaction.
38:47
Speaker 2: Interesting you talking about what happened after that video went
38:51
Speaker 2: viral and all the offers that were coming your way,
38:56
Speaker 2: did you at the time take any of them? Because
38:59
Speaker 2: I feel like some of that, if you had, would
39:02
Speaker 2: have deterred you from like your original mission, which it
39:05
Speaker 2: sounds like you were pretty steadfast on and kept working on.
39:09
Speaker 1: It goes a couple of different ways. I like the
39:12
Speaker 1: like the world tour like that aligned with what I
39:14
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I wanted to go and I wanted
39:16
Speaker 1: to perform, and so I got to go to literally
39:18
Speaker 1: like South Africa and New Zealand, Australia and Singapore all
39:22
Speaker 1: in two weeks and perform. That was probably the coolest
39:24
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. But then the other things that
39:27
Speaker 1: kept coming in, like the reality shows and things like that.
39:30
Speaker 1: It's not even that I was saying no, but I
39:33
Speaker 1: think it's important for people to understand that nothing in
39:36
Speaker 1: this industry is real until it's real. You will have X,
39:41
Speaker 1: Y and Z person talking to you, Oh, I got
39:44
Speaker 1: a call from this giant network or whatever. There can
39:48
Speaker 1: be so many background conversations that ultimately amount to nothing
39:52
Speaker 1: except maybe like a relationship that you can have with
39:56
Speaker 1: this producer or this person. So most of those just
39:59
Speaker 1: completely through. And I think that was hard for me,
40:02
Speaker 1: being new to this industry and getting so excited at
40:05
Speaker 1: every new opportunity, and every time something didn't follow through,
40:09
Speaker 1: I took that as a like a personal defeat, Whereas
40:13
Speaker 1: now I understand like it can be as simple as
40:15
Speaker 1: like everyone's on board and then this one person's like,
40:18
Speaker 1: oh but wait, we're pivoting to unicorns this quarter. So no,
40:22
Speaker 1: you're no, we're not doing fitness this quarter. And it
40:25
Speaker 1: can be a billion things. It could be budget, it
40:27
Speaker 1: can be just one legal issue that doesn't get worked out.
40:31
Speaker 1: And so it's just like knowing that nothing is real
40:34
Speaker 1: until it's real, and again, not riding the hives, not
40:37
Speaker 1: riding the lows, just staying steadfast on doing what you love.
40:42
Speaker 1: That's the only way to make it, because if not,
40:44
Speaker 1: you will get thrown up and down. And left and
40:46
Speaker 1: right in the entertainment industry.
40:48
Speaker 3: I totally hear it.
40:49
Speaker 2: I mean I'm in a completely different place than you are,
40:52
Speaker 2: but I have certainly had to have some serious pep
40:56
Speaker 2: talks with myself after like stuff that gets really exciting
40:59
Speaker 2: like comes your way, and then you're on this mountain
41:02
Speaker 2: and you're talking for months and months about like the
41:04
Speaker 2: biggest deal of your career, and then like on Friday
41:07
Speaker 2: at ten am, you get into a meeting where it's
41:09
Speaker 2: like completely off the table now, and that's it.
41:11
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's so funny you say that because
41:13
Speaker 1: that just happened.
41:14
Speaker 2: To me, I get it, because it sucks and it hurts,
41:17
Speaker 2: But I think that what's really special and what I've
41:20
Speaker 2: come back to, and I'm sure that you've come back
41:21
Speaker 2: to it as well because of the way that you
41:23
Speaker 2: talk about this is like, holy shit, I had a
41:26
Speaker 2: seat at that table.
41:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that is exactly it. Like whoa, I
41:33
Speaker 1: had that conversation. They know my name, they care about me,
41:36
Speaker 1: like it's it's they.
41:38
Speaker 3: Care about me. Sometimes I'd like to think that they
41:40
Speaker 3: care about me. I mean, like they they know that
41:43
Speaker 3: you exist though it is great.
41:45
Speaker 1: Like they cared enough to have that call, you know,
41:48
Speaker 1: it's just like it's really cool, and you have to
41:50
Speaker 1: keep reminding yourselves of those little victories because that's what
41:53
Speaker 1: you have to hold on to. It's not about the
41:56
Speaker 1: end result, because there are too many variables in that
41:59
Speaker 1: and if you let yourself get so defeated by those moments,
42:04
Speaker 1: then you're never going to find the next door to open.
42:06
Speaker 1: Like you have to be willing to just stand up
42:08
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, dust my shoulders off. I wanted
42:11
Speaker 1: to go through that door more than anything else in
42:13
Speaker 1: this world. I thought that was the golden door. But
42:16
Speaker 1: here's another door that's not golden, but it's blue, and
42:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to see what's through that one. And then
42:22
Speaker 1: you find out that something even more amazing is a waiting.
42:24
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had that moment happened so many times
42:28
Speaker 1: in my career where I'm like it's all over, I
42:30
Speaker 1: can't anywhere, and then a few months later, amazing things happen.
42:36
Speaker 1: And so it's just about holding on to your passion
42:40
Speaker 1: and the why of why you're doing. And I think
42:42
Speaker 1: that's what helps people really have longevity in this industry
42:47
Speaker 1: is because if you're here for the quick check, you'll
42:50
Speaker 1: be out really fast. Yeah, you'll be out really soon,
42:53
Speaker 1: because I mean, for me, money didn't come for a
42:58
Speaker 1: very long time. Like when I say money, I mean
43:01
Speaker 1: like paying rent, buying a haircut, Like it was not easy.
43:06
Speaker 1: It was struggle, struggle, struggle for so long and just
43:09
Speaker 1: doing what I love. And that's that's what I ate.
43:12
Speaker 1: Was was passion, Like that is what really got me
43:16
Speaker 1: through and got my friends through. Like my friends gave
43:18
Speaker 1: up a lot as well to kind of be on
43:20
Speaker 1: this journey and believe in what this is all about.
43:23
Speaker 1: My partner, Cameron gave up. He was his dream was
43:26
Speaker 1: to work for the CDC. He had a degree in
43:28
Speaker 1: public health, and he's like, Okay, we're gonna go out
43:30
Speaker 1: to California, we're gonna build this fitness brand, and we're
43:34
Speaker 1: all just gonna hope it works out. So it's just
43:36
Speaker 1: having people around you that believe in you and believing
43:40
Speaker 1: in yourself and not being so controlled by the immedia
43:44
Speaker 1: dollar amount, which is a privilege, because if you can't
43:46
Speaker 1: pay your rent, it's it's you can't just say, oh,
43:49
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm passionate, like you have to pay
43:51
Speaker 1: your bills, and so it's really difficult, I think to
43:55
Speaker 1: make a career out of I guess to build your
43:58
Speaker 1: own career and follow your own dreams because the reality is,
44:01
Speaker 1: in this society you're expected to pay your bills on time,
44:05
Speaker 1: and there are only a few ways that happens.
44:09
Speaker 2: For someone who's listening to this and they're like, oh,
44:12
Speaker 2: I've here, I've heard this so many times before. Follow
44:15
Speaker 2: your passions. If you're not passionate about what you're doing
44:17
Speaker 2: for work, what are you doing with your time? And
44:19
Speaker 2: then they bought up with that other thing that you
44:20
Speaker 2: were saying just now about well I need to pay
44:22
Speaker 2: my bills if I'm not ready to jump into X
44:24
Speaker 2: or why, Like what do you say to those people
44:27
Speaker 2: because sometimes again, like if we're talking about being realistic,
44:30
Speaker 2: not everyone gets to do a job every single day,
44:33
Speaker 2: where they're like, I am so passionate about it.
44:35
Speaker 1: No, and you know what, you don't have to And
44:37
Speaker 1: I think that's the other thing, And I don't want
44:38
Speaker 1: to be misconstrued on this podcast, for I mean, I
44:43
Speaker 1: am so painfully aware that my story is incredibly rare
44:48
Speaker 1: and it is exceptionally unlikely even if you do everything
44:53
Speaker 1: right for everything to work out, like life isn't just
44:56
Speaker 1: a fairy tale. I've worked really hard and I am
44:59
Speaker 1: urried to determined to figure it out. But I also
45:03
Speaker 1: think that there is nothing wrong with just loving your
45:07
Speaker 1: life and loving the people in your life. And I
45:09
Speaker 1: mean I just hung out with friends yesterday and they
45:11
Speaker 1: were like, I work to live. I do not live
45:16
Speaker 1: to work, and that's okay. Like, if you have a
45:19
Speaker 1: family that you love, friends that you love, hobbies that
45:23
Speaker 1: bring you joy, that's the whole point of life is
45:27
Speaker 1: be happy, like do good in this world and just
45:30
Speaker 1: find fulfillment. And so if you have to have a
45:33
Speaker 1: job that you don't love, but it allows you to
45:36
Speaker 1: have a life that you love and people in your
45:38
Speaker 1: life that you love, then you've made it. That is
45:40
Speaker 1: success in my book.
45:42
Speaker 3: Love That Love That Now these days.
45:45
Speaker 2: You mentioned that at first, and still you're like, I'm
45:48
Speaker 2: going to dance to what I want to dance to.
45:50
Speaker 2: This is not how we're going to monetize. Then you
45:52
Speaker 2: started going on these tours and like accepting different partnerships,
45:55
Speaker 2: and now you're thinking about and now you have a
45:57
Speaker 2: membership structure. Talk to me about kind of the cornerstones
46:01
Speaker 2: I guess of what do make you money? In your business,
46:04
Speaker 2: because I'm sure that's a question you probably get quite often.
46:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as of twenty nineteen, Yeah, as of
46:13
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, there was no monetary structure. It was well,
46:16
Speaker 1: it was tour. So we had these shows and the
46:20
Speaker 1: only way I made a check is if we went
46:22
Speaker 1: out and we performed at a venue. And so that
46:25
Speaker 1: meant like Cameron, my partner, calling a venue, setting up
46:30
Speaker 1: a show, renting our own stage, renting our own sound,
46:34
Speaker 1: Cameron at the door, checking in tickets, also running the
46:38
Speaker 1: stuff backstage, Cameron also taking meet and greet photos, like
46:42
Speaker 1: whilst lugging our own step and repeat banner in a
46:46
Speaker 1: suitcase to every single city we went to. It was
46:50
Speaker 1: it was just a grind and it was the most
46:53
Speaker 1: rewarding thing but also the most taxing thing. And I
46:55
Speaker 1: think it became very clear that it wasn't going to
46:59
Speaker 1: sustain us, Like we can only hop on a plane
47:02
Speaker 1: every single weekend for so long before it's like we've
47:05
Speaker 1: got a new something else. And so we also had
47:10
Speaker 1: a really hard time because we i mean, the music
47:13
Speaker 1: we're just it's been a battle with the music industry
47:17
Speaker 1: this whole time. It's like you feel as if you're
47:20
Speaker 1: promoting all of these people's songs and they're treating you
47:23
Speaker 1: like a cockroach who is like somehow abusing their music
47:28
Speaker 1: or misusing it. And so it was really difficult, and
47:31
Speaker 1: we had a really just bad year right before Funny,
47:35
Speaker 1: right before twenty twenty, and we were like, it's just
47:38
Speaker 1: getting exhausting at this point, and we were about to
47:41
Speaker 1: quit using popular music because it just I was so
47:44
Speaker 1: tired of like looking over my shoulder and like wondering
47:47
Speaker 1: for the next person to come at me when I
47:49
Speaker 1: literally like I was not making money, like when we
47:53
Speaker 1: were touring, we were paying for the stage and the
47:57
Speaker 1: sound and the people to run the show. Like the
47:59
Speaker 1: profit margin was bad. It was so bad. But we
48:02
Speaker 1: love doing it. But we just got really tired like
48:07
Speaker 1: four years into it, and once twenty twenty came around,
48:12
Speaker 1: we couldn't tour and it was like, okay, so this
48:15
Speaker 1: is it, Like we're done, this is not meant to be.
48:19
Speaker 1: And that's when YouTube memberships opened up, and it was
48:24
Speaker 1: just the craziest timing. And YouTube is like, hey, you
48:28
Speaker 1: can have a membership program on our platform, and so
48:30
Speaker 1: then we got together and we're like, oh wait, if
48:34
Speaker 1: we're not touring. Let's just do these like sixty minute
48:37
Speaker 1: classes once a week for our YouTube members and that
48:40
Speaker 1: way they can still have all of our regular content
48:42
Speaker 1: for free, but if they want, like this full length
48:45
Speaker 1: sixty minute workout, they can do that with us every
48:48
Speaker 1: week and we can actually get paid for it. And
48:50
Speaker 1: so it was this pivot that I don't think would
48:52
Speaker 1: have happened without the pandemic, and it allowed us to
48:55
Speaker 1: open up what we do in a way that's so
48:58
Speaker 1: much more sustainable because we're not getting on a plane
49:00
Speaker 1: and traveling and exerting ourselves. And I think that kind
49:04
Speaker 1: of got our minds going in the place of how
49:06
Speaker 1: can we work smarter and not harder? And so many
49:09
Speaker 1: people say that, but it's so true, Like you have
49:12
Speaker 1: to be so weary of burning out and over exerting yourself,
49:16
Speaker 1: so you have to really maximize how you spend your time.
49:18
Speaker 1: And so the YouTube memberships has truly like been life
49:22
Speaker 1: changing for us. It's been amazing. And then also this
49:25
Speaker 1: year we got to partners. So music works in a
49:29
Speaker 1: weird way, but there's like three like music titans, and
49:33
Speaker 1: so one of them is Warner Music Group, and they
49:36
Speaker 1: reached out to us and we have just the best
49:39
Speaker 1: relationship now and now we are getting to actually work
49:43
Speaker 1: with them to promote their songs on our channel, and
49:46
Speaker 1: they gave us our own Spotify workout playlist, so every
49:49
Speaker 1: week I get to like update this playlist and it's
49:51
Speaker 1: like the official Warner Music Spotify playlist. And it's just
49:57
Speaker 1: this craziest thing because last year I was like, the
50:00
Speaker 1: whole music industry hates me, no one wants me to
50:02
Speaker 1: do this, we can't tour anymore, Like I'm actually going
50:05
Speaker 1: to quit. And then the year after that it's I mean,
50:10
Speaker 1: we're making money, we're working with record labels, we're doing
50:14
Speaker 1: things we never thought possible. We're launching an active wear line.
50:18
Speaker 1: Like it's just all of these doors kept opening, even
50:21
Speaker 1: when I thought that they kept closing, Like we just
50:23
Speaker 1: kept standing back up and be like, okay, maybe one
50:27
Speaker 1: more try.
50:29
Speaker 3: What other lessons did you learn during the pandemic.
50:32
Speaker 1: I think that it was really it was just more
50:36
Speaker 1: of a reset for me. I think because it was
50:38
Speaker 1: the worst time for so many people, and it was
50:40
Speaker 1: really weird because we were kind of like, I don't
50:44
Speaker 1: it's weird. I don't want to paint a picture and
50:47
Speaker 1: negate all of the bad that happened, because it was
50:50
Speaker 1: a it was a fucking awful year, Like it was awful,
50:53
Speaker 1: and there was so much bad that happened. But I
50:55
Speaker 1: think if any of us can figure out, is there
50:58
Speaker 1: anything good that came out of it? And for me,
51:00
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, I have to have this whole
51:02
Speaker 1: reset and rethink about how I look at the world
51:07
Speaker 1: and what I'm doing. And I was like, I can
51:10
Speaker 1: help the world online. I can do these fitness classes.
51:14
Speaker 1: I can take this time and really create an active wordline,
51:19
Speaker 1: and let's think about how to make it inclusive for
51:23
Speaker 1: even more people and really dive into and spend more
51:25
Speaker 1: time on things that I wouldn't have had time to
51:27
Speaker 1: because I was going to be on a plane going
51:28
Speaker 1: and doing a show. And so it was really this
51:32
Speaker 1: moment of we are stuck in here, let's meet, let's
51:37
Speaker 1: figure things out, let's plan, let's strategize and get ready
51:40
Speaker 1: because we knew at some point things were going to
51:42
Speaker 1: get better. But our job right now is really just
51:45
Speaker 1: to help people who were inside and humble ourselves and
51:48
Speaker 1: just dance in our living room. And that's really what
51:51
Speaker 1: we did because, like my videos are usually highly produced
51:54
Speaker 1: in our shows like on tour there's lights and smoke
51:57
Speaker 1: and effects and it's amazing. But I think really what
52:01
Speaker 1: people wanted last year was to know that we were
52:02
Speaker 1: all in this together, and that was something really cool
52:05
Speaker 1: that we got to do, and we were just working
52:06
Speaker 1: out with people inside, and I think it really helped
52:09
Speaker 1: us connect with people in ways that we didn't connect
52:11
Speaker 1: before and realize how important this was outside of the
52:19
Speaker 1: glitz of it all. This was a way for us
52:22
Speaker 1: to feel like people again, and for people who are
52:25
Speaker 1: struggling with their anxiety and their depression and isolation to
52:30
Speaker 1: have a moment where they can just release some endorphins
52:33
Speaker 1: and some serotonin and they can't even go outside for
52:35
Speaker 1: a walk like this became more important than it's ever been,
52:39
Speaker 1: and so I felt that responsibility and it also helped
52:43
Speaker 1: me I think just as much. I mean, I need
52:46
Speaker 1: this as well, so it's not like I'm just doing
52:48
Speaker 1: this for other people. But it was really cool to
52:51
Speaker 1: realize the gravity of what movement can do for the
52:54
Speaker 1: body and the brain.
52:55
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier back in college, not feeling really comfortable,
53:00
Speaker 2: are at home in your body?
53:01
Speaker 3: How do you feel these days?
53:03
Speaker 1: I feel good. I feel good these days and it's
53:07
Speaker 1: and I say that while also scrolling on Instagram and
53:11
Speaker 1: being like, I don't look like him. I don't look
53:13
Speaker 1: like him. He's more defined than me, he has a
53:15
Speaker 1: better hairline than me, Like I mean, I don't think
53:17
Speaker 1: we ever get away from comparing ourselves to others. And
53:21
Speaker 1: I just like was thinking the other day, I think,
53:24
Speaker 1: right now, I'm in the best shape of my life,
53:27
Speaker 1: and still that doesn't change me seeing someone else and
53:31
Speaker 1: being like, ah, but I don't look as good as them.
53:33
Speaker 1: And so I think, just remembering that there is no
53:36
Speaker 1: point in your fitness journey that you are not that
53:40
Speaker 1: you are going to feel like the best. You're always
53:42
Speaker 1: going to look at someone and wish that you could
53:44
Speaker 1: look more like them. And so taking that knowledge and
53:49
Speaker 1: just deciding to be happy and confident in your body
53:53
Speaker 1: where it is right now is the most powerful thing,
53:56
Speaker 1: because that stole so much of my joy for so long,
54:00
Speaker 1: Like not I remember I would I would go to
54:02
Speaker 1: the swimming pools in like middle school, and I would
54:05
Speaker 1: never take off my shirt. I wouldn't go on, like
54:07
Speaker 1: to the water park trips that my friends went on.
54:09
Speaker 1: I missed out on so much just because I was
54:13
Speaker 1: so worried about people looking at me and what they
54:15
Speaker 1: thought about my body. But then you realize that everyone
54:18
Speaker 1: is also thinking about that, like are thinking about themselves?
54:21
Speaker 1: Like are they looking at me? And we're all just
54:24
Speaker 1: so insecure, but we all assume that everyone is so
54:27
Speaker 1: secure and confident who they are. And so I think
54:30
Speaker 1: it's just so important to embrace the right now because
54:33
Speaker 1: you do not know if you're going to be here tomorrow,
54:36
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, And I
54:39
Speaker 1: just think that you should celebrate yourself right now because
54:42
Speaker 1: it's a really beautiful and amazing feeling when someone else
54:44
Speaker 1: doesn't have the power to validate how you feel about yourself.
54:48
Speaker 2: When you started to gain a bigger following, I'm sure
54:54
Speaker 2: that that came with a fair amount of external criticism
54:57
Speaker 2: as well. How have you come to a place where
55:01
Speaker 2: you can handle the unsolicited feedback and stay in your joy?
55:06
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to not riding the highs
55:10
Speaker 1: and not riding the lows. That sticks with me every
55:14
Speaker 1: time when I make a video, I try my best.
55:16
Speaker 1: I'll look at the comments for the first day, see
55:18
Speaker 1: like what the actual fans or like the super fans think,
55:21
Speaker 1: all should I should say, But after that, it's just
55:24
Speaker 1: people who are discovering the video, and who knows why
55:29
Speaker 1: they got there, what mood they were in when they
55:32
Speaker 1: got there, what their purpose is for leaving a comment
55:35
Speaker 1: on that video. So there's just so much that you
55:37
Speaker 1: don't know when it's just a username and a comment
55:41
Speaker 1: that you can't put weight into it, Like someone could
55:43
Speaker 1: be having a really awful day and feel really bad
55:45
Speaker 1: about themselves and then try to take you down too,
55:48
Speaker 1: or someone could be trolling and just I mean, there
55:51
Speaker 1: are accounts dedicated to just leaving me in comments to
55:54
Speaker 1: get attention. So it's like I do not pay attention
55:58
Speaker 1: to the comments or what people say at all. I
56:01
Speaker 1: know what makes me happy. I know that if something
56:04
Speaker 1: stops making me happy, I'm not gonna do it anymore.
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Speaker 1: But I need to base what I do in this
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Speaker 1: world off of how I feel and the impact that
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Speaker 1: I have, as opposed to what Sally from New Jersey
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Speaker 1: s doaes Oh Sally, Sally, Sally's just having a bad You.
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Speaker 2: Just have it a bad day, all right? What excites
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Speaker 2: you right now? What excites me right now is the possibilities.
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Speaker 2: I feel like it almost in This may be because
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Speaker 2: I'm such a naive, like overly optimistic person, but I
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Speaker 2: just feel a renaissance coming of people really appreciating life,
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Speaker 2: appreciating people and what really matters. And I think this
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Speaker 2: past couple of years, this past year and a half
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Speaker 2: has just humbled us and I think humanized us. And
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Speaker 2: I really am excited to see the genuine joy that
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Speaker 2: people have just coming together, dancing, being in person, going
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Speaker 2: out to brunch, like just doing things that human beings
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Speaker 2: used to do and getting on and I think it's
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Speaker 2: going to be something that sticks with this generation forever.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's also going to make us a
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Speaker 1: group of people who all realize the value of the
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Speaker 1: little things that we all took for granted, because we
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Speaker 1: could be stuck inside behind a computer screen for the
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Speaker 1: rest of our lives for all we know. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think there's just so much joy and excitement that's
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Speaker 1: going to be coming out of this next year.
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Speaker 2: When people come to your Instagram page, they see this
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Speaker 2: guy that loves to dance and has a shit ton
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Speaker 2: of followers.
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Speaker 3: The same thing goes for YouTube.
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Speaker 2: You're having a great time and you know, enjoying yourself
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Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror.
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Speaker 3: What is it that you see looking back at you see?
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Speaker 1: I see the same kid in high school who really
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Speaker 1: loves musical theater, and really he likes hanging out with
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Speaker 1: his friends and playing Pokemon Go and watching funny YouTube
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Speaker 1: videos and just enjoying the regular life. It's so funny
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Speaker 1: that we have this perception of people who have a
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Speaker 1: following as if they're unreal. But I don't see myself
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Speaker 1: as any different. I don't think that people in my
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Speaker 1: life see me as any different, and I really wouldn't
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Speaker 1: want it any other way. I just feel like Caleb
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Speaker 1: from Indiana, who really just wants to go hang out
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Speaker 1: with his friends.
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Speaker 2: All right, Caleb from Indiana, Right now, you have an
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Speaker 2: opportunity to offer the Caleb from Indiana, fresh into college,
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Speaker 2: feeling a little unsure of his path, a piece of advice.
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Speaker 2: Looking back on that time, right now, what do you
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Speaker 2: tell him?
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Speaker 1: I would say, stop looking in the mirror every single day,
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Speaker 1: pinching yourself, wondering why you have a pudge here, why
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Speaker 1: you have a pudge there. Stop praying away your sexuality.
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Speaker 1: Stop thinking that you constantly have to get validation from
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Speaker 1: other people because you're not enough as you are. Just
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Speaker 1: be confident and do the things that you love, and
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Speaker 1: the people that are around you will stay if they're
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Speaker 1: supposed to stay, and if not, they weren't supposed to
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Speaker 1: be in the first place. But just keep being yourself beautiful.
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Speaker 2: Caleb from Indiana, Tell me, tell us, tell the hurdlers.
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Speaker 2: How do we keep up with you? How do we
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Speaker 2: follow along with you? Give me all the details.
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Speaker 1: You can follow me at YouTube dot com, slash the
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast
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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle conquered.
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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.