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INSIDE HELL: Horrific Bodycam Inside Kohberger Murder Scene Reveals Truth, BK TRIES TO SELL CAR · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Inside hell h E double
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  Speaker 1: l horrific new body cam video emerging inside the Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coburger murder scene, and it reveals the truth, The truth
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  Speaker 1: of what happened that night when four beautiful University Idaho
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  Speaker 1: students were slaughtered in their own beds. The truth that
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  Speaker 1: apparently the elected district attorney did not want us to
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  Speaker 1: see before he worked a secret plea deal with Coburger.
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  Speaker 1: This as we learn tonight, Coburger tries desperately to sell
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  Speaker 1: his car after he goes online and reads reports that
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  Speaker 1: white Alantra has been identified near the crime scene. We
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  Speaker 1: find out about damning searches on Coburger's phone where he
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  Speaker 1: searched for wiretap and psyched copaths. Paranoid, he goes back
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  Speaker 1: and forth in the Moscow PD website to learn the
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  Speaker 1: latest on the murders, and immediately after he looks up
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  Speaker 1: auto detailing when they realized they're onto his Elantra. Ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes later, he's online shopping for a new car. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: At Emerson went up stairs.
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  Speaker 3: She see random series and I call your name.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, it's just so much worse than the
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  Speaker 1: elected district attorney. Let on, did you just hear We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna play all this for you to hear and see
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  Speaker 1: for yourselves. But Scott Morgan, join me, Scott, did you
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  Speaker 1: hear what she said? Kelly went upstairs and started screaming,
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  Speaker 1: there's somebody in her room. That's a lot different than
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  Speaker 1: what we were told. Like it was a silent night
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  Speaker 1: and all you could hear was a muffled whimper. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to help you. This is a lot different.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really granular. When you begin to see this
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  Speaker 4: and you suddenly realize the horror that all of these
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  Speaker 4: kids have experienced at that moment time, You know, you
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  Speaker 4: go back in time and there have been a lot
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  Speaker 4: of questions about, well, why didn't they call this in,
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  Speaker 4: Why didn't they call it? Why did they delay? Nancy?
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  Speaker 4: This almost looks like the fog of war. When I
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  Speaker 4: see this, you know, just stunned and just beyond belief.
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  Speaker 4: It goes back to an old statement I always make,
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  Speaker 4: always having to understand the abnormal in the context of
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  Speaker 4: the normal. This home that they lived in together, the
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  Speaker 4: space that they shared, has absolutely been rocked. They've discovered
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  Speaker 4: in house that there is a mass, sir that has
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  Speaker 4: taken place. I don't know about you, I would probably
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  Speaker 4: be the same way. It's it rips you down to
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  Speaker 4: your absolute core.
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  Speaker 1: Guys. I want to play the video. I want to
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  Speaker 1: see it and I hear it. I want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: Listen for sure?
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  Speaker 2: Yeap where share or ship? Yes, we're here here.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta call that, you know, the s wepst normal
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  Speaker 5: and I taking avatime.
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  Speaker 6: And I can't be easy agreeing that she's and I
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  Speaker 6: didn't check any acts flow down.
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  Speaker 7: It's as premiere's there's two take.
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  Speaker 1: Buddies straight out to Sydney, Sumner joining US Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter on the case Sydney. What we're hearing is
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  Speaker 1: the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four
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  Speaker 1: people standing outside. Let's see the video. The group is
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  Speaker 1: huddled outside and we hear the officer speaking to the
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  Speaker 1: friend Hunter Johnson, and Johnson is saying, up here, up here,
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  Speaker 1: I just came to check in here and this is
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  Speaker 1: what I found. I checked to see if she's breathing,
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  Speaker 1: and she's I think this is going to be not
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  Speaker 1: I didn't check him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you
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  Speaker 1: hear a Moscow first responder state looks like dead bodies.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home
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  Speaker 8: after getting that nine to one one call. And during
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  Speaker 8: that call, the girl in the house try to explain
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  Speaker 8: what happened that they think they saw someone at four am,
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  Speaker 8: but the officer, the dispatcher just wants to know who
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  Speaker 8: they can try and help. So immediately after we see
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  Speaker 8: what we saw in the cut that just played, EMTs
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  Speaker 8: start rushing up to the house and this officer who
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  Speaker 8: was the first on scene, who first went to check
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  Speaker 8: on everything, he has to stop this group of twenty
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  Speaker 8: five ants that show up to the house and say,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we don't think we need your services.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just horrifying. Oh God, oh dear Lord in heaven,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Chris mcdonnah joining menditioned Jesscott Morgan Chris McDonagh,
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  Speaker 1: director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, hundreds hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: homicides under his belt, Star off the interview room on YouTube. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: you've been on this case all over it since the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: You've been to the scene and when we see as
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  Speaker 1: you have been. I've come up on so many crime
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  Speaker 1: scenes in the middle of the night, early early, crazy
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  Speaker 1: early morning hours three four or five am. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what you see.
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  Speaker 7: You see the.
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  Speaker 1: Victims and the witnesses like standing out in a cold
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  Speaker 1: parking lot. Remember this is Idaho at Thanksgiving, and everyone
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  Speaker 1: is huddled out there, holding themselves, shivering, and up come
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  Speaker 1: the police. I wonder if they know, they've got to know,
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  Speaker 1: they've got to know everybody's dead, because nobody's coming out.
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  Speaker 1: Chris mcdone, I bet you've come up on so many
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  Speaker 1: scenes like this, Yeah, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: And of course the officer there is responding from the
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  Speaker 9: dispatch call of an unconscious female. And the first thing
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  Speaker 9: you notice when you get there, to your point is
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  Speaker 9: you see this huddled group of you know, college students.
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  Speaker 9: But as you get near the door, you see one
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  Speaker 9: of the kids has his hands above his head. That's
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  Speaker 9: a signal that okay, there's something big going on here
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  Speaker 9: that this kid is seeing. And so he grabbed his
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  Speaker 9: medic bag, goes up those stairs and the young man
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  Speaker 9: is punter is pointing out what is going on in there,
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  Speaker 9: and the offshore immediately does the assessment of okay, this
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  Speaker 9: is a crime scene. So he's now gone from a
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  Speaker 9: rescue mission to a criminal investigation almost instantaneously, within a
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  Speaker 9: couple of minutes of this particular video, and that's when
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  Speaker 9: this whole thing starts to take another shift.
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  Speaker 1: Chrissy just says something that really gutted me. Look at
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  Speaker 1: the one wrapped up in a blanket out there, Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, he just said something that really struck a nerve.
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  Speaker 1: And guys, we've got so much to play, but this
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  Speaker 1: is what you do when you prepare for a case.
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  Speaker 1: You look and you look at it, and you look
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  Speaker 1: at it and you look at it. Notes everything matter,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. I'm going to give you a full
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  Speaker 1: INChO in a moment. But Chris McDonough said about the
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  Speaker 1: one kid, I think that it was Hunter with his
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  Speaker 1: hands up. It just hit me about all the crime
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  Speaker 1: scenes I've been to and all the crime victims and
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  Speaker 1: their families. They would be like lying face down in
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  Speaker 1: the grass on the front yard. They would be stretched
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  Speaker 1: over a car, crying, screaming their heads up like he
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  Speaker 1: just was describing, like in the air. It's a physical
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  Speaker 1: reaction like this, or like hugging themselves or bent over
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  Speaker 1: or bent over vomiting, or bent over crying, or just
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  Speaker 1: bent over the physical response to what is happening around them.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't even notice that until McDonough said it.
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  Speaker 1: You see him just like standing there like this, like
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: Know what to do.
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  Speaker 5: What is that, well, Nancy, just a moment before he
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  Speaker 5: says to the officer that he has checked to see
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  Speaker 5: if one of the victims is breathing. So this is
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  Speaker 5: a very bloody body. It's a shocking scene. We don't
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  Speaker 5: know how he checked to see if this victim was bleeding.
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  Speaker 5: Did he touch the wrists the neck? So he's actually
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  Speaker 5: really gone in and engaged with that crime scene. And
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  Speaker 5: to me, the hands over the head is almost like
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  Speaker 5: the horror of having to touch the victims and getting
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  Speaker 5: his hands as far away as possible. Also kind of
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  Speaker 5: like an act of surrender, like I give up, My
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  Speaker 5: hands are in the air. This is what we see
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  Speaker 5: people do actually when maybe they're about to be arrested
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  Speaker 5: or incarcerated or something, they back up, like the hands
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  Speaker 5: in the air. I have nothing to do with this
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  Speaker 5: kind of thing. And it's almost as there's a confusion
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  Speaker 5: between did he do it. Did somebody else do it?
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  Speaker 5: What did he just touch? It's such a horrible I
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  Speaker 5: love what Joe Scott Morgan said, like the fog of war.
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  Speaker 5: No time to digest or to take in or metabolize
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  Speaker 5: what he has just so he's just backing up in horror.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm sorry to cut you off, but just what
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  Speaker 1: this MF did when I'm seeing it, when you see it, like,
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  Speaker 1: we can talk about it and talk about it, but
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  Speaker 1: when you see it and you think what Coburger did
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  Speaker 1: and the dichotomy. You go in there and it looks like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a fun house where a bunch of college
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  Speaker 1: students live, and you think about what he did to them.
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  Speaker 1: I can hardly contain it. And there he is whining
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  Speaker 1: about his food. I just and you see the girls
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  Speaker 1: out front, just huddled up once in a blanket, they're
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  Speaker 1: holding themselves. All of this is nonverbal communication responding to
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  Speaker 1: this horrendous, horrendous thing that has happened to their friends.
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  Speaker 1: And you know another thing, Sydney Sumner with me, Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: I know that part of Kyberger's defense was some other
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  Speaker 1: dude did it, and he was actually going to blame.
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  Speaker 1: They were looking for somebody to blame.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, Coberger's defense team was at some point looking at
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  Speaker 8: the boyfriends of the women who lived in this home.
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  Speaker 8: Even on scene. In this bodycam video, we see some
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  Speaker 8: questions come up, is anyone having trouble with boyfriends right now?
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  Speaker 8: So yes, Coburger's defense team was definitely looking at all
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  Speaker 8: of the men in these women's these victims' lives, trying
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  Speaker 8: to see if it was anyone that they already knew,
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  Speaker 8: because as we know, this house is very, very confusing.
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  Speaker 8: So I think cops definitely and Coburger's defense team thought
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  Speaker 8: that they could get away with blaming someone who had
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  Speaker 8: more familiarity with this house.
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  Speaker 1: I want to follow up what Sidney Summer just told us.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Morse is joining me. Veteran defense attorney, founder of
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  Speaker 1: Morse Legal, author of the Untested on Amazon, is at
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  Speaker 1: Morse legal dot com. I guess in your world, the
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  Speaker 1: Greg Morse defense attorney world, that's what you do. You
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  Speaker 1: look for somebody to blame. Even though you may suspect
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  Speaker 1: your client did it murdered four people, you still got
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  Speaker 1: to find somebody depend it on other than him. It's
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  Speaker 1: sop standard operating procedure. It could be an ex boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: It could be a current boyfriend. It could be this
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  Speaker 1: guy who is about to vomit at what he has
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  Speaker 1: found holding his hands up in there. Hey, he's a man,
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  Speaker 1: Let's blame him. That's the way it works, right, Morse,
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  Speaker 1: tell the truth.
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  Speaker 10: Well, so when you're looking at these cases, the defense
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  Speaker 10: is looking at what can the state prove? What is
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  Speaker 10: the state's evidence? So not actually what happened, It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 10: The state has the obligation to prove. So they probably
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  Speaker 10: looked at this and they saw that two of the roommates,
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  Speaker 10: you know, waited to call the police, and they probably explored,
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  Speaker 10: is there is the evidence, you know, there that we could.
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  Speaker 11: Suggest that other people were involved?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: I mean and and I think the evidence when you're
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  Speaker 10: defending someone like this, what else you're going to say?
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  Speaker 9: So, so, there's nothing wrong with them.
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  Speaker 1: He did I'm guilty. That's one thing that you could say. Okay, Morse,
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  Speaker 1: before I go down a route, Greg.
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  Speaker 11: But he did that.
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  Speaker 2: He did that.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get you? Can I just move you forward
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  Speaker 1: to the next that we've got so much Listen to this, guys,
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  Speaker 1: watch this.
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  Speaker 2: Let me secure the outside first.
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  Speaker 7: That there's ana trio going to start taking it off,
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  Speaker 7: running through the outside off and I got in there,
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  Speaker 7: shut it off.
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  Speaker 12: There.
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  Speaker 1: You're the officer trying to secure it, saying I've got
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  Speaker 1: to I got to right here. Talking about two dead bodies,
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  Speaker 1: I got two right here already. The house is clear.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, the suspect's not there. There's not a
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  Speaker 1: live suspect there. The house is clear to walk through.
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  Speaker 1: And they shut the dog, which is common because you
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  Speaker 1: don't know when the dog is gonna go crazy to
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  Speaker 1: start biting. You shut the dog in there. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: where he shut the dog. But before I analyze that,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear more from the survivors. This
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  Speaker 1: is Dylan Morton's listen, all right, what do you remember?
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  Speaker 7: You're saying?
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  Speaker 2: We started? I remember I was in my room, am
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  Speaker 2: I trying to go to bed? And they heard Kelly?
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  Speaker 7: Who real fast? Which one is your room?
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  Speaker 1: Kelly?
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  Speaker 2: Which one is your room?
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  Speaker 7: Room are you in?
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  Speaker 2: You were in that room, my room, not seeing this
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  Speaker 2: room my room and your room is.
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  Speaker 12: That one second floor? All I heard was I heard
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  Speaker 12: heard go upstairs and go okay, I'm gonna go to
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  Speaker 12: street down because she's going upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: And the dog Murphy.
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  Speaker 7: And upstairs to the very top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where her Dr Bethany. This is just gutting
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  Speaker 1: me because you can hear somebody wailing crying in the background.
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  Speaker 1: It's all dawning on them. What's what's really happening. They
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen the bodies yet, remember the friend hunter saw them.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really know what's happening, and it's all just
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  Speaker 1: hitting them. They're out in the parking lot. That's Dylan
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  Speaker 1: Mortenson wrapped up in the blanket, clutching herself and they're
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  Speaker 1: looking around. Their friends aren't coming out, and the place
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  Speaker 1: is swarming with police and you hear somebody start crying
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  Speaker 1: in the background.
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  Speaker 5: Nancy. They don't know what we know or what the
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  Speaker 5: viewers know. They know nothing. All they know is that
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  Speaker 5: there was screaming and crying. And what breaks my heart
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  Speaker 5: with Dylan is she waited to go to bed until
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  Speaker 5: her friend went upstairs. I mean, you just see that
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  Speaker 5: table with all the solo cups on it. It's like
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  Speaker 5: they were It's a scene of a party, kids having fun,
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  Speaker 5: kids like staying up ordering door dash whatever, just enjoying
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  Speaker 5: their lives. And the horrifying disruption of all of that
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  Speaker 5: They're just these four kids are just trying to piece
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  Speaker 5: it together and they can't yet.
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  Speaker 1: They're just in shock to Sydney summer joining me in
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, what is probative about that
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  Speaker 1: body camp we just showed. We're learning a lot from
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  Speaker 1: every word. I remember, I was in my room. I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to go to bed. I heard Kelly, which
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  Speaker 1: one is your room? She's describing whose room is where,
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  Speaker 1: and she says, all I heard was I heard her
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  Speaker 1: go upstairs, like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now,
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  Speaker 1: Kelly and the dog Murphy. What do you learn? What
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  Speaker 1: does this prove Sydney well for me?
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  Speaker 8: So first we have to get in our minds that
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  Speaker 8: the entire time Dylan insists Kylee went upstairs, Kaylee screamed,
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  Speaker 8: Kaylee ran down the stairs, and the officer even points
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  Speaker 8: this out later. He says to another officer, she somehow
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  Speaker 8: knows she was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee,
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  Speaker 8: but we don't think that's actually true. So we have
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  Speaker 8: to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee
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  Speaker 8: and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Xanna's room was on the
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  Speaker 8: second floor, where Dylan's room was So the only thing
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  Speaker 8: that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those
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  Speaker 8: stairs is Vanna, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have
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  Speaker 8: to get that in our heads as we're listening to
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  Speaker 8: Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proves to me
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  Speaker 8: that someone was there. These women are correct, someone was
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  Speaker 8: in their house. So as far as we know, all
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  Speaker 8: they know is that Xanna was found unconscious.
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  Speaker 1: I said, Si said, says, hold on, hold on, you're
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  Speaker 1: saying someone's in the house. Said, do you think at
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  Speaker 1: the time when we think Kelly was saying, Hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna go to bed, I'm gonna go to sleep, do
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  Speaker 1: you think he was already in the house, Because now
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  Speaker 1: I believe that he was already in there waiting for
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  Speaker 1: them to go to sleep. I don't think that they
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  Speaker 1: all went to their beds and then he snuck in.
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  Speaker 8: I agree with you. And we also learned later that
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  Speaker 8: Maddie was the last person to take Murphy out. So
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  Speaker 8: Mattie checks in with Dylan and bethany one more time. Hey,
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  Speaker 8: I lost Murphy. I can't get him to come inside.
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  Speaker 8: Is he with either of y'all? She is looking for
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  Speaker 8: the dog, So again. This dog, who they described for
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  Speaker 8: weeks was on edge before the murders, who would constantly
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  Speaker 8: going going off into the woods and wouldn't come back
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  Speaker 8: when called, just acting very very oddly, does the same
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  Speaker 8: thing this night when they're taking him out for the
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  Speaker 8: last time. So I'm kind of feeling like Coberger was watching,
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  Speaker 8: watching as they took the dog out for the very
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  Speaker 8: last time, and maybe snuck in just behind them as.
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  Speaker 2: They brought the dog in, turning on the location of
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  Speaker 2: the emergency.
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  Speaker 12: He's talking.
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  Speaker 9: Emergency one.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 12: I remember I was in my room, can I turning
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  Speaker 12: into bed and they heard Kaylee heard go upstairs. Okay,
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  Speaker 12: I'm gonna go to seat down because you're going upstairs
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  Speaker 12: over Kaylee and.
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  Speaker 2: The dog Marti.
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  Speaker 11: Because we were so scared, and that's what.
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  Speaker 1: She's waking up. Just released bodycam from the night of
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  Speaker 1: the murders the morning after, now flooding our senses, overwhelming,
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  Speaker 1: gut wrenching. Of course, this wasn't released until after a
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  Speaker 1: plea deal had been offered to the ire the anger
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  Speaker 1: the exhaustion of some of the victims' families. They did
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  Speaker 1: not want this plea deal, So now we got to
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  Speaker 1: give coburg Or three hots and cots for the rest
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  Speaker 1: of his life. A see wines about the food behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: This is bringing the harsh reality of what police found
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the morning after. Let's watch and then ultimately.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You're looking up.
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: I heard a screen and she ran downstairs because she
• 21:01
  Speaker 12: saw someone that's but I'm pretty sure she said she
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: someone's here, and she's screamed and just ran downstairs and
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: I called for a name. They jump up and locked
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: my door. So I was so scared, and I heard
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: someone in the fastroom when I heard her crying, and
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: I heard some guy say that you're gonna be okay.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I'm to help you. And I kept calling your name,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but she wasn't answering.
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: And then I opened the door for a second and
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: I saw this guy and he was not in seemly told, but.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: He's doing all black and like this mask.
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: I was just covering his forehead and his mouth, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: I locked the door and I called.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it all seemingly happened a lot faster
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: than we visualized based on what the district attorney had
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: originally told us that they were all going to bed
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: after a lullaby and then basically died in their sleep.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: That's not what happened at all, Doctor Bethany Marshall. What
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: about this get up? Doctor Athony Marshall or now Psychoalyside
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the La Jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: her now on Peacock and find her a doctor Bethany
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany. He's all dressed up. Somebody's
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: been watching too many movies, right, all dressed up in black,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: with the hat, the mask, the black outfit covering his clothes, everything.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: He really thought this suit. It's like he's playing a role.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He's all dressed up for it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: It's like this is cosplay as a mouse murderer. Right
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: In some ways, he's embodied this role for so many years.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: He's fantasized about it, he's thought about it, he's taught,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: he's done studies, asked other people about sexual crimes during
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: the course of a burglary. I mean, this is his
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: reason for living, Nancy. This is his moment of glory.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: This is the bride standing in front of the altar
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: saying Yay, I'm going to finally get married. But what
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: I see in all of this is terrifying scene that
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: turns into a melee.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethne, You're right, the stark reality of what we're
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: seeing and there's so much to take in, is very
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: different than what we were told. I mean, what do
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: they think?
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: We are?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Fat, dumb and happy. We can't figure it out and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: now we're just going to go along with that cheap
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: play deal watch this.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: And so I just rained down to you left that
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: you left here.
• 23:29
  Speaker 12: Let's my room down she's when with the white Liline's
• 23:33
  Speaker 12: the very bottom. I run down there and we talked
• 23:35
  Speaker 12: and I just we just locked the door.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't see anything of it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: Really, nothing happens in month scot So we just try
• 23:40
  Speaker 12: to go to Beton and then we woke up and
• 23:43
  Speaker 12: it was weird because none of our roommates were up
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: and we called old and we're not waking up. It's
• 23:47
  Speaker 12: a mean like, this is weird. So I cold and
• 23:51
  Speaker 12: come over and then that's almost happy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Chris mcdonna, You and I have
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: walked the crime scene many many times. Nothing happens in Moscow.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: They locked the door, there was no sign of force entry.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: This tells me he was already in there.
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's a possibility for sure that he had
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: come in through that back door when the dog was
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: brought in. But you know, kudos to this first officer
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: on the scene here, the one that's interviewing Dylan.
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: I mean, think about this.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: This is the largest murder at that time in Idaho,
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: I think probably in their history in terms of its magnitude.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: This is an officer who has slow things down. He's
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: a new officer. I think he's in his twenties. He's
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: around the individuals who are the same age as him.
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: He's gone into that scene, he's seen everything that's going
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: on in there. And there's one officer that runs up
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: those stairs initially and he tells him immediately slow down.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: That is there are over three under decisions that need
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: to be made within fifteen minutes of a homicide. Over
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: three hundred decisions. Now think about that. This is a
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: young officer, never seen anything like this, and now he's
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: pulled this witness apart to the side and said, okay,
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: what is going on here? And then Dylan starts to
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: tell this story and they start making those connections. Could
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: the dog you know, have been out? Could this suspect
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: have been in that house and it's it's total chaos initially,
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: but then it becomes organized chaos. And I got to
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: give this officer credit because he again he shifted immediately
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: into a crime scene preservation and crime scene investigation.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Chris McDonald, watch this through all the me.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: That form year there, Sam Samiana is the girl in
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: there is the girl that is this farm?
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: How do you spell her name? D?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I mean x A n A. Do you know she
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: has a middle name alects.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Do you know what her last name is?
• 26:10
  Speaker 12: Pronodle and kay and spoil really kate you know r
• 26:15
  Speaker 12: and d.
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: L k A E r A r k r n
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: O l d l e okay.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: N a okay.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Listen there, he's actually looking body here all the time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: He is a mallet, lives here and he doesn't actually
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: are used in the Windsana. I believe he's all right now,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he doesn't. He lives here a lot.
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: And then there's Natty Morgan and Katy up talk. I
• 26:46
  Speaker 12: don't know where they're at now.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Jess Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon and Starma
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Hit podcast body bags, which is Scott Morgan Jo Scott.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: He the officer immediately zoned in on Ethan. Ethan as
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a male. He lives here because this is well, I'd say,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: obviously statistically obviously a man did it, so he's zoned
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: right in there. But my point is you're hearing Dylan
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Mortenson as she's clutching a blanket around her, sounds like
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: she thinks Ethan is still alive. She says he doesn't
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: actually live here. He's in the room with Xana, I believe.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: So she's talking like he's still alive.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and she has no way to validate that. Again,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: going back to this idea, you know, it's like she's
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: been it's like she's been punched in the face. At
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: this point in time, she's so stunned because this is
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: unlike anything else they've ever seen before. There and also
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: there's this realization that's creeping in. I've seen this actually
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: happen at crom scenes where people as it begins to
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: kind of the tempo kind of slows down, they suddenly
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: suddenly have this awareness, those that are survivors that they
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: were actually in a house where a mass event like
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: this took place. A mass murder took place, and suddenly
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: that's beginning to trickle into their brain, and again that
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: makes them sometimes rather shocky when you're going to go
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: talk to them and you've got all of this data
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: that's coming into their brain and trying to get information
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: out of them. This officer is very calm. I love
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the way he kind of has this very kind of
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: kind affect or kind voice pattern where he's speaking to them.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: He's very warm. He's not trying to push her in
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: any way. You just let them talk. The best way
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: you can get information out of somebody is to shut
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: your mouth and listen to them, and you kind of
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: gently direct them along the way because this is something
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: that is so incredibly traumatic for them.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: City Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. I don't believe it
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: this juncture, they have any idea that everyone is lying
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: dead in there, because she says, I don't know where they're.
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: At though, Yeah, that's Dylan speaking to an officer about
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: Kaylee and Maddie specifically. I don't know where they're at.
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: So Dylan and Bephany aren't even sure those girls are home,
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: so they have no idea that anyone is hurt injured,
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: dead except for Xanna, and yeah, they are just completely
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: out of the loop here, and later Hunter Johnson speaking
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: with authorities again, he's upset that he's the only one
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: that knows what's happening.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she actually thought Xanna had passed out from
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the night partying. You know, you're right, Sidney at this juncture,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And why do you say that said that they don't
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: know what happened.
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: Web you'se girls wake up after hearing this scary event
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: last night, and there's even some confusion about what happened.
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: So at one point Bethany described hearing what she thought
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: was a firework. So it's almost four in the morning.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: All of her roommates have come home from different parties,
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: different events, and she thinks they're just drunk and messing around,
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: and somebody set off a firework in the house. So
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: they don't really know what happened. They're a little bit
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: scared because no one's answering their phones. They're trying to
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: call them to just be like, Hey, I'm trying to
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: go to sleep, can y'all be quiet? Nobody's answering, so
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: that kind of freaks them out. And then Dylan sees
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: this guy that she doesn't recognize, so she runs down
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: to Bethany's room and at that point, in the dark
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: running through the house, that's when she sees Xana on
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: the ground. And at this point nothing seems that out
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: of the ordinary. Xanna without drinking, so baby Xanna is
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: just passed out and she's sleeping in kind of a
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: weird position, but Dylan doesn't really think anything of it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: When she's running down to Bethany's room and the girls
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: in the room now feeling a little bit safer since
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: they have each other, they not off to sleep. It's
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: very very late, so in the morning, they still can't
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: get anyone on the phone. They don't know what's going on.
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: They contact a friend to maybe come check the house
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: for them, and that friend is saying, hey, we need
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: to call nine one one, something is wrong here, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: other than that, they have no idea what's going on.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: The girl did not see any of the crime scene
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: was surviving victims. They didn't see anything of what went
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: on there. That's the officer's first question to Dylan when
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: he really starts interviewing her, how much of that did
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: you see? And she goes, how much of what? Nothing?
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: I didn't see anything, so she's they're trying to get
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: more information out of these officers, but they are keeping
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: things very close to the chest, and the girls don't
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: know what's going on.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: All right, just try to describe the guy that you fall.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: I don't think.
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: I couldn't really say much of him, but she's I'm
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: almost positive he's wearing a full back outfit, and he
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: had this mask that was just over his forehead and
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: over his nose, and he didn't say anything to me, Like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I just shut the door and locked
• 32:14
  Speaker 12: it because I didn't know what to do. And I
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: think he went out like the side door of the
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: sliding door in the kitchen that goes up to the backyard.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: And then I didn't know anything else. I called, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: I was like, I'd just had an downstairs and find
• 32:26
  Speaker 12: me because I don't know where anyone else is. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: I called Maddie, I called Danna, I called Katie nor
• 32:31
  Speaker 12: what answers it?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Let's hear more of what Dylan Mortenson said that morning.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I heard her screaming and run like, run as fast
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here. She
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: ranas yes, I could hear you can.
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: Hear everything, and I'm sure I heard her run downstairs
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: only fast, and then I heard Murphy parking a lot, okay,
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: and then I heard her going to the back. I
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: think there's the bathroom, and i'm her sobbing and asking
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: this guy's voice. I've been recognizing you're gonna.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Be okay, to hold you. But it wasn't like, I
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: don't know how to.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Explain it like.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't in like a nice way. It was like
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: a weird way. It's a weird tue.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: You're gonna be okay. I'm gonna help you.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 13: And you didn't hear anything from Taylor anymore.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Joscott Morgan, that is it leaves me speechless. She says, yes,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I can hear. You can hear everything. I heard her
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: run downstairs really fast, and I heard Murphy Murphy barking
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a lot. She said someone's here, and I heard her
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: going to the bathroom, her sobbing. I mean, think about it,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, make yourself think about it. Follow it through
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to its logical conclusion. She was sobbing and she hears
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the guy say you're gonna be okay. Had she already
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: been stabbed a couple of times she was in there sobbing,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: not dealing with killing sobbing. Why is she crying? And
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: she says the voice was not an unquote nice way.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It was a weird way. I'm going to help you black.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and not surprising. Hey, there's one more point here
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: where we can kind of validate this. Nancy. Do you
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: remember when the CCTV that new batch was dropped where
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: we see the car going around, going around, going around.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Do you remember you can hear the dog barking, and
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I mean it's like at a high pitch. And some
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: people have stated, and I think Chris has kind of
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: talked about this a little bit, where you can see
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: you can hear some other sound in this that sounds
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: almost like a person crying out or making you know
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: that in pain or whatever it is. But you can
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: hear Murphy is going nuts. I believe that that's Murphy,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: and that might validate what Dylan is saying here at
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: this point. So you've got these two points along the
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: way where you can go back and try to demand
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the timeline. You can understand what she's saying, and all
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: these pieces are starting to fit together, whereas before it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: just been total confusion. So you couple this with the
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: CCTV images that we have that you guys are showing
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: right now, and you couple that with Dylan's statement, it
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: becomes even more powerful.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: What kind of psychopath Dr Bethany goes in scares Kelly
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: like this? She's sobbing. Think make yourself imagine it. What
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: does she crumple down between the commode and the bathtub, hiding,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: holding her hands up as he's stabbing her. She's already crying,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and Dylan, here's I'm going to help you. It's going
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to be okay, but not in a nice way. And
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: we are fading this guy his special vegan meal. What
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why the prosecutor did not take this
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to trial. Why are we just now learning the truth
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this guy. If there's gonna be a death penalty, which
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: is a whole other political fight, this is.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: The one Nacy I feel discussed and distress just hearing this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: This poor girl, she probably was already stabbed or had
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: witnessed her friends being stabbed. She was in the middle
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: of a horror scene. She runs into the bathroom and
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: it's like it's almost like she got away for just
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: a second. And then he comes after her again, lying
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: saying he's going to help her because in his mind
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: he's doing some glorious, sexually exciting thing. He'll say whatever
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: it takes just to lure her back out again so
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: she doesn't die instant heeneously. She dies having witnessed something horrible,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: having been inflicted, have cruelty inflicted on her bleeding seeing
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: the blood. We don't yet know exactly what that crime
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: scene looks like, but it made me wonder about what
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: amount of blood was in that bathroom.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Well, here's another thing to wonder about. To Chris mcdonna,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: who has walked to the crime scene many times, Chris,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: we know she's sobbing in the bathroom, but that's not
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: where her body was found, right right, Yes, that's correct.
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: So and remember, of course, while Dylan has given this statement,
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: she's shaking. You can you see her hands, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: she she's constantly moving her hands.
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: She has that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: Blanket over her at this point. That's from all the
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: adrenaline that's kicking through their you know, through her body.
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: And so when she's giving the statement, she is of
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: the belief that she's hearing maybe that's Kayley, but in fact,
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: It probably turns out that that was Xanna who had
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: gone upstairs and interrupted the fantasy of Brian Kolberger. And
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: then he becomes the helper of as we talked about
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: many times on your program here, Nancy, and that methodical
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: verbiage that he uses, I'm here to help you, that
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: gives us a mindset into this animal. He is as
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: calm as a cucumber, and he.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Is actually do you see that green trash can? Isn't
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: that you know? Where you? Chris saw that the glove
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: out in the parking lot and showed the police.
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: Yes, it's right behind that trash can. Correct, And that
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: tells us about the totality of how many decisions are
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: being made rather rapidly, right, There's a lot going on here,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: you know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Following up on what McDonough's saying, Doctor Beth, how angry
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: do you think it made Coburger for what we think
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Xanna interrupting his sex fantasy that ends up in stabbing
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the girls dead, you know.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: Nancy, And these kinds of crime scenes upman is not
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: deposited in or on the body. Often it's in another
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: room or in the corner of the room. Because these
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: guys work themselves up into such an angry frenzy that
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: they can't even ejaculate where they want to ejaculate. So
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: when she runs into the bathroom, it's like he's watching
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: someone disturb his little sex scene. And when he says
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: to her, I'm going to help you, I think he's
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: so used to manipulating and lying to people, he's actually
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: even lying to himself that he's just there to do
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: some helpful thing to do.
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: Her a favor.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: This is all consensual his wine.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Des I just can't help but wonder what the victims
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: are thinking when they see this guy. He says, I'm
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: here to help you, But he's in their home, they
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: don't know him, they've never seen him before, and he's
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  Speaker 1: got a K bar. Hey, can I see Greg Morse
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  Speaker 1: really quickly? Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer and author.
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  Speaker 7: Greg.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to reveal any names, of course,
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  Speaker 1: but you know the defense had seen all of this
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  Speaker 1: bodycam video that we're just now seeing. After the plea
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  Speaker 1: deals all over signed Selden delivered. Do you having seen
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  Speaker 1: the evidence ever? L Like you're sitting there with your
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: client and you look over and you're like, I got
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to get out of here. I can't even sit next
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  Speaker 1: to this guy. He's so evil, But yet you managed
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  Speaker 1: to quill that thought and carry on.
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  Speaker 7: Listen.
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  Speaker 10: I've represented for twenty five years people accused of murder,
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  Speaker 10: people accused of rape of children, of adults, and every
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  Speaker 10: type of crime. I'm defending the constitution as a defense, Lauren,
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  Speaker 10: making sure the state follows the constitution and there's nothing improper.
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  Speaker 11: So no, I don't get into those dilemmas.
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  Speaker 10: But again, you have to divorce yourself from the emotion
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  Speaker 10: of crime when you're a criminal defense lawyer as a
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  Speaker 10: as a person.
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  Speaker 11: So no, I've never had those feelings.
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  Speaker 10: But I don't look at my job in defending necessarily
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  Speaker 10: a person as much as what can the state prove?
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: And then Nuddy.
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  Speaker 7: And then Murphy's a dog, I want a side for
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  Speaker 7: bed and.
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  Speaker 12: Were so fecal, and then I was in my bead
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  Speaker 12: like about to go say, and May just said that's.
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  Speaker 8: It wasn't Murphy.
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  Speaker 7: And its bed And what I'm using still see.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing Bethany Funk speaking to Moscow p D. This
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  Speaker 1: is the morning after her roommates were murdered by Brian Coburger,
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Summer, do you hear that. I was in my
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  Speaker 1: bed about to go to sleep, and Mattie just said
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  Speaker 1: that she lost Murphy, and she was like, I was
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  Speaker 1: wondering if he was with me, and I just said
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  Speaker 1: no and I went to bed. You see what's happening here,
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  Speaker 1: all the speculation about the dog. He had been there before,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy, and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Murphy was part. Murphy the dog was part of the
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  Speaker 1: scenario that night.
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  Speaker 8: Sidney, Absolutely, I think that's exactly what we're hearing. So
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  Speaker 8: it seems like for me personally, when I have guests
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  Speaker 8: in my home, I locked my pets in my room
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  Speaker 8: with me, so I think that's probably was their usual
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  Speaker 8: go to. Mattie and Kaylee plan to lock Murphy in
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  Speaker 8: the room with them before they went to sleep, but
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  Speaker 8: Mattie took Murphy out, and now that she's come back inside,
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  Speaker 8: she doesn't know where he went. She's trying to find
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  Speaker 8: him so they can lay down to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 8: So it's unclear if Murphy was still outside, if he
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  Speaker 8: was just wandering somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: In the house.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe he already found Coburger in their bedroom and was
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  Speaker 8: speaking with him. But from what we know, it sounds
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  Speaker 8: like these girls were asleep in the top room when
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  Speaker 8: Coburger attacked Kayleie and Maddie.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, listen to this, hey lest.
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  Speaker 7: She sang this month ron for there's a guy black
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  Speaker 7: mass was in there. She recognized him.
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  Speaker 6: She and she heard her screaming upstairs. She got scared
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: and walked herself in the room and then was screaming
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  Speaker 6: all stop. She's pretty sure this masked person.
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  Speaker 7: Went out that back attack and not getting on the
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  Speaker 7: information should not know what the girls out they're having
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  Speaker 7: pulled their decease, that they just have four people that
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: are kind to kind of stork.
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  Speaker 12: Okay, little bit if.
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  Speaker 1: This dog going to dog just got Morgan right there.
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  Speaker 1: We're hearing they're still trying to figure this thing out
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: about the dog, and we've been talking about it from
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the very beginning. But also they say there were no footprints.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: We also hear that they haven't told Dylan that they
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: don't know that they're dead. They're just saying, quote, the
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  Speaker 1: four people are unaccounted for.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of standard fair because as soon as
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you do that, it's like pulling a pin on a grenade,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: because they're all going to kind of decompensate at that point, Tom,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you're not going to be able to get them back
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  Speaker 4: on track relative to getting information out of them. So
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: less is more here. You have to kind of work
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: this because keep in mind, Nancy, you're seeing these gentlemen
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  Speaker 4: on screen right here, all right. They have no idea
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  Speaker 4: what they're dealing with, except that they know that they
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: have four college students that have literally been butchered in
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: this residence. They can validate that in their mind. This
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: is the other thing they're thinking about, the broad concept
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  Speaker 4: of public safety.
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  Speaker 2: Where is this guy.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to gather as much information as they possibly
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  Speaker 4: can to push it out there so that they do
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  Speaker 4: it APB or whatever it is they need to do
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  Speaker 4: to track this person down, because they're going to set
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: off a panic here.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And again, as Sydney told us earlier, we find out
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the only one that knew what had really happened was
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Hunter Johnson, the kid that has hands up over his
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: head in anguish. Listen to Hunter Johnson, got you're here.
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  Speaker 7: Man, Thank you, someone to hang out here.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to know this going on.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: How much I'm wanting to disclose right now, we're we're
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: processing what's going on in the scene.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as we know for sure we can tell
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  Speaker 2: you guys what's going on, We absolutely will.
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  Speaker 7: I know it sucks to be in the dark with this.
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  Speaker 7: But okay, and what's your what's your relationship again?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, I mean as soon as soon as I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: know we're able to fill you in.
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  Speaker 6: On what's going on, we'll we'll let you know, okay, okayks,
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: So you guys watching Vampire Diaries out in this main
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: the second level, okay, and then for how long.
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: I don't know, men, not anything for the club, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then we all have.
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  Speaker 7: So Maddie.
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  Speaker 2: And Kaylee.
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  Speaker 7: We're at the club, you know, you know how long.
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  Speaker 13: And they were there closing at least I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: They went to.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, and then they came home at about what time?
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: It's okay, you're doing great. So they did get home
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  Speaker 13: at two?
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  Speaker 7: How do you know that?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So they're all sitting around watching Vampire Diaries. Some of
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the girls go out, they come back in, they're talking,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: they'll start going to bed. What does this mean? Sydney summer?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Bethany says, how do The cop says, how do you know?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: It's around two, and she says, I just have a
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: picture of Kelly's room with Murphy. What does that mean?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Did they take selfie or something?
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  Speaker 8: That's what I would assume. That's what that means to me.
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: So she said, I know that they were home at
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: this time because I have a photo with Murphy at
• 47:59
  Speaker 8: this time. So it's an approximation, but that would be
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: my assumption she took a photo with Murphy, or she
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: took a photo of Murphy and using that timespamp she
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: determined when they got home.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: All of this being released as we learn of damning
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: searches Coburger made on his phone and devices. Once he
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: finds out as he frantically visits the Moscow PD site
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: that if white A launtra has been seen, he looks
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: up detailing for his car. He immediately goes online and
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: starts trying to sell his car. So damning all of this,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: A jury will never see a jury, we'll never hear
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  Speaker 1: no wonder. The Gonsalvast family is so angry about this.
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  Speaker 1: We wait as justice continues to unfold. Nancy Grace signing off,
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,