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Embodied Astrology with Renee Sills · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in
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Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
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Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals
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Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
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Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood, be wise, be smart, being black,
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Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
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Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe told son, son, told wife,
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Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this is.
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Speaker 1: And the ancestors told me that you would come to
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Speaker 1: give wisdom. Thousands they said you would come. Dropping Dropping
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Speaker 1: Gem Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast. We're back at it.
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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown, your host. You know, astrology is really
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Speaker 1: having such a gorgeous moment in the sun right now. Obviously, uh,
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Speaker 1: for those who are familiar with astrology, it's older than time.
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Speaker 1: The art of astrology, the science of astrology. You know,
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Speaker 1: It's one of the oldest and most sacred forms of
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Speaker 1: not just recording history, but of people being able to
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Speaker 1: begin to glimpse God sometimes and to experience themselves lee
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Speaker 1: back in antiquity, and now it is coming really full
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Speaker 1: circle and having such a beautiful moment of awareness, I
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Speaker 1: think for so many of us, especially during the pandemic. Now, astrology,
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Speaker 1: I also know, is going to be a hot button
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Speaker 1: for some folks listening to this show as you began
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Speaker 1: to build your own recipe of self care and your
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Speaker 1: own recipe of the framework you create for your life
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Speaker 1: to access God and to know yourself more deeply. I
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Speaker 1: think with astrology, especially in some communities, there's so many
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Speaker 1: misunderstandings about what it is, and for a long time
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Speaker 1: in our mainstream society it's kind of been regulated to
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Speaker 1: the backs of magazines or you know, the sides of boxes,
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Speaker 1: or just something that you do for entertainment or to
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Speaker 1: be fun or silly. You know, the things like the
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Speaker 1: back of Cosmo magazine where it's like, you know, sexy
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Speaker 1: tips for capricorns or you know, something like that. But
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Speaker 1: astrology is actually really one of the first sciences, along
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Speaker 1: with ayur Veda. It is a system of planetary mapping.
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Speaker 1: It is a way to really begin to interpret and
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Speaker 1: dive into some of the complexities and challenges that we
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Speaker 1: face here on Earth, and so some of the themes
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Speaker 1: of what art individual lives are going to look like.
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Speaker 1: When I was a girl, When I was a little girl,
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Speaker 1: I used to love astrology. I was definitely one of
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Speaker 1: the one of the people that bought those little astrology
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Speaker 1: scrolls that would be at the supermarket when you were
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Speaker 1: checking out next to the gum anybody else remember that
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Speaker 1: I'd get those, And I was such a proud little Gemini. Um,
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Speaker 1: I love being a Gemini. I'm born in June, and
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Speaker 1: as I got older, my understanding of astrology started to deepen.
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Speaker 1: So I got my very first birth chart reading ten
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Speaker 1: years ago with an amazing um gentleman that does Yodish astrology,
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Speaker 1: and it was so interesting to hear my life broken
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Speaker 1: down from roughly zero to nine and what all the
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Speaker 1: stages of my life with the greater themes of it
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Speaker 1: would look like. And then, Um, I've gotten more birth
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Speaker 1: charts done over the years, and a recent one that
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Speaker 1: I got, which was through Adic astrology, was really beautiful
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Speaker 1: and so fascinating to me because it went as far
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Speaker 1: as breaking down what my personality traits were going to
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Speaker 1: be based on when I was born, where I was born,
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Speaker 1: the time that I was born, and also really broke
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Speaker 1: down some very significant things that were meant to happen
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Speaker 1: to me in a span of five years that started
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Speaker 1: last year, and so far it's all been wildly accurate
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Speaker 1: to the point that I'm shook uh. And it's also
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Speaker 1: been a really beautiful way to enhance my journey. So
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Speaker 1: something I speak to quite a bit is I am
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Speaker 1: a fan of all the tools. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: that we should be really applying selfology to ourselves, really
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Speaker 1: investigating ourselves, finding our perfect recipe for our spirituality. You know,
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Speaker 1: when I think of my spiritual life in my toolbox,
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing that anchors my toolbox is the career
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Speaker 1: later God, Father, Mother, God, divine source. I also have
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Speaker 1: in that box astrology and meditation and well being and
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Speaker 1: energy healing and intuitiveness, and you know, I throw a
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Speaker 1: deca tarot cards in that toolbox. And there are so
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Speaker 1: many beautiful systems of belief that have allowed me to
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Speaker 1: get closer to God than I have ever been in
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Speaker 1: my life and to get closer to myself than I
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Speaker 1: have probably ever been in any lifetime. And so today's
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Speaker 1: show is going to be all about unpacking the joys
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Speaker 1: and the gifts of astrology. I love, love, love talking
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Speaker 1: about this stuff. And for anyone wondering, I am a
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Speaker 1: Gemini son a gem and I moon with Leo rising,
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Speaker 1: So that means when you say what is your rising sign?
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Speaker 1: That means that even though I'm a Gemini, some of
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Speaker 1: my characteristic traits, my look closer to a Leo, and
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Speaker 1: some of the experiences I have or the ways that
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Speaker 1: I'm perceived might be a little more Leo, which I'm
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Speaker 1: so fine with that. So today's show we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: talking about not just really understanding what is astrology and
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Speaker 1: its gifts how to apply it to your life, but
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be going over as well because something that
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Speaker 1: has actually been comforting, uh in one of the most
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Speaker 1: potentially challenging and terrifying years of many of our lives,
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Speaker 1: that was is noticing what did the stars have to
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Speaker 1: say about what were some of the predictions there, and
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Speaker 1: what were some of the energies that were brought forward
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Speaker 1: because of planetary alignment and why? And we're also going
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Speaker 1: to dive into what are some of the themes of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? What have the stars aligned to tell
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Speaker 1: us about how this next year will unfold? So today's
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Speaker 1: guest on the show is an amazing embodied astrologer, Renee Sills.
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Speaker 1: Embodied Astrology is written and produced by Renee Sills. That
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Speaker 1: is her amazing podcast. She is an astrologer's daughter. Renee
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Speaker 1: grew up speaking the language of astrology and has been
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Speaker 1: practicing as an astrologer since two thousand and twelve. She
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Speaker 1: offers her clients chart interpretations that include individualized yoga, meditation,
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Speaker 1: and self care regimens. Renee has been a yoga teacher
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Speaker 1: since two thousand and four and is the co founder
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Speaker 1: and co director of SOLA School of Contemplative Arts, a
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Speaker 1: somatics and mindfulness based yoga teacher training program that has
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Speaker 1: a strong focus on accessibility and social justice. Embodied Astrology
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Speaker 1: is one of many creative projects that keep Renee's life
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Speaker 1: full and joyful. She works primarily as a socially engaged
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Speaker 1: artist and Renee is also the host of the astrology podcast,
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Speaker 1: Embodied Astrology. Welcome to the show, renew Hi, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for having me here, thank you, I listen,
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Speaker 1: I stand, I stand for all things in the stars.
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Speaker 1: It's so it's so interesting, um Rennee. You know, I
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Speaker 1: feel like astrology is really having like such a beautiful
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Speaker 1: moment in the sun right now, especially with COVID and
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Speaker 1: the pandemic. It's like people are really locking in to
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Speaker 1: find more tools and deeper understandings of themselves of the world.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm noticing, you know, people in my life
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Speaker 1: that normally would not want to hear about this or
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Speaker 1: telling me like, well, you know, mercury isn't retrograde. So
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Speaker 1: and it's so it's so beautiful because astrology is really um,
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Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: oldest and most sacred forms of self investigation and journeying work.
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Speaker 1: You know, it was really like the first form of
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Speaker 1: it that we really had, even before or religion was created.
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Speaker 1: M Yeah, I think it's um. It's a really brilliant
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Speaker 1: technology for uh connecting ourselves with the phenomenal world, with
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Speaker 1: the Earth and the universe and the cosmos. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I became there was a period of my life where
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Speaker 1: I got really addicted to birth charts. I have had
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Speaker 1: my birth chart done um, so so so many times. UM,
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Speaker 1: But you know what I found really beautiful and I
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Speaker 1: would love your thoughts on this. You know, every time
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Speaker 1: that I've done, probably over the last ten years of
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Speaker 1: birth chart reading, there's always like, depending on the person
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Speaker 1: reading the chart, there's like this deepening of my knowing
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Speaker 1: nous of myself. And I've started to find that really,
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Speaker 1: so much of the magic in the astrology and so
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Speaker 1: much of the magic and readings it's really based on
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Speaker 1: the depth of the person translating for you. You know,
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Speaker 1: based on on not just the skill set, but the
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Speaker 1: life experience, the amount of surrender, the amount of self
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Speaker 1: processing that the person who translates for you gives you.
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Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah, No, that's absolutely true, I think
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Speaker 1: in my experience as well. And um, when I came
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Speaker 1: into astrology, one of the first books that I read
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Speaker 1: was by an author named Dane Rudyard, and he was
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Speaker 1: talking in that book about the importance of astrologers to
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Speaker 1: be able to interpret for their unique contexts. And you know,
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Speaker 1: astrology is um it's a creative, uh practice and an
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Speaker 1: intuitive practice of interpreting astronomical data. Right. So astrologers use
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Speaker 1: the work of astronomers where a planet is or a
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Speaker 1: particular configuration between planets to tell stories like we take
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Speaker 1: these symbolism um of these planetary energies, the stories that
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Speaker 1: we've learned about them um and in each astrologer is
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Speaker 1: going to do their own work around synthesizing those stories
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Speaker 1: and intuiting the meaning that's the most relevant for the
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Speaker 1: person that they're speaking to or the time that they're
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Speaker 1: speaking to. So, you know, the astrologer that you work with, like,
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Speaker 1: it's good if you have a resonance with them, you know,
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Speaker 1: like if you feel like that astrologer can interpret symbols
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Speaker 1: that are meaningful for you. And that might have to
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Speaker 1: do with an astrologer's positional identity, with the work that
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Speaker 1: they've done on themselves, with the amount of learning that
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Speaker 1: they've done about the symbolism and astrology, because just like
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Speaker 1: anything else, um, astro you know, can be really formulaic.
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Speaker 1: There have been a lot of books that have been written,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of the dominant information that's available have
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Speaker 1: been written. You know, it's been written by white men,
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Speaker 1: mostly by white European you know men, and as a
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Speaker 1: language as it's like everything right, right, Yeah, So I
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Speaker 1: think A lot of the exciting work for me and
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Speaker 1: astrology right now is tuning in with um queer astrologers,
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Speaker 1: with female astrologers, with astrologers of color, with folks who
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Speaker 1: are combining and synthesizing different practices as well as different
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Speaker 1: awarenesses awareness of astrology, because astrology is that it's existed
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Speaker 1: all around the world and every culture. Like you said,
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Speaker 1: it's such an ancient practice, and for someone like me
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Speaker 1: who has been trained in Western astrology, it's so informative
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Speaker 1: and helpful for me to learn about different ways of
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Speaker 1: interpreting these symbols that contrast with the Greek or the Roman,
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Speaker 1: you know, or the European empirical kind of synthesis of
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Speaker 1: these symbols, Like that gives something to me. And when
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Speaker 1: I can critique those symbols as well and find my
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Speaker 1: own meaning and them, it helps me speak to the
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Speaker 1: clients that I resonate with, you know, that might not
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Speaker 1: be totally dropping in with those um those other meanings. Wow. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I was on Instagram. I mean, of course, right, I'm alive.
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Speaker 1: I was on Instagram and there was this one of
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Speaker 1: the pages that I follow had this post that I
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Speaker 1: just it really made me smile. And it was around
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Speaker 1: Christmas time and it was a it was like an
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Speaker 1: image of um, you know, Jesus and the Manger and
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Speaker 1: Mary and the wise men, and it said that the
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Speaker 1: wise men were actually astrologers, and I thought, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I could actually yeah, that makes sense to me, you know,
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Speaker 1: following following the beautiful star that Jesus was born under,
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Speaker 1: coming with the gifts like frankincence, mere gold, you know,
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Speaker 1: really alcomizing and transforming with those energies, and it was
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Speaker 1: just so beautiful because those are pieces, you know, this
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Speaker 1: the work of astrology. And I think so many people
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Speaker 1: think of astrology just as like maybe the things on
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Speaker 1: the back of a magazine, right Jim and I this
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Speaker 1: month's going to be hot and spicy, or this month that,
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Speaker 1: you know, But it's really such a deeply sacred work.
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Speaker 1: And when I think about the effect that me having
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Speaker 1: my birth chart done over the years, uh, the way
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Speaker 1: that it really built my spiritual confidence is what I
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Speaker 1: really walked away with. You know. I think the first
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Speaker 1: time I got my chart done, it was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is cool, Like, oh this is fun. I like
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Speaker 1: doing you know, different stuff. And then the more I
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Speaker 1: would do it, and the more I would kind of
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Speaker 1: um really use it as as a guide post, you know,
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Speaker 1: just saying like, oh, yeah, so this is a theme
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Speaker 1: of my life, then that makes sense that I've seen
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Speaker 1: this pattern come up. It really just fortifies your understanding
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Speaker 1: of yourself and it really enriches your confidence in how
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Speaker 1: to observe being on the right path and how to
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Speaker 1: really see when you're an alignment also how to remove
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Speaker 1: judgment right because sometimes depending on how deep you go
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Speaker 1: with UM, with your birth chart system, whether it's you know,
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Speaker 1: Vedic or Yodish or Western. You know, there's so many
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Speaker 1: different little ways that I think people are connecting to
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Speaker 1: this UM. You look at it and it allows you
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Speaker 1: to also come into a space of forgiveness and acceptance
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Speaker 1: of yourself. You know, so many of the things that
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Speaker 1: we think, why am I like this? Why do I
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Speaker 1: do that? But being able to see it kind of
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Speaker 1: zoomed out and say, Okay, I was given these particular
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Speaker 1: systems of being in these particular kind of experiences or
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Speaker 1: personality traits because this is how I was supposed to
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Speaker 1: show up on Earth, and it serves me and it's
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Speaker 1: for something that is so much greater than whatever this
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Speaker 1: moment is um. Yeah. So it's such a it's so sacred,
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Speaker 1: it's so beautiful, and it can be you know, I think, um,
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Speaker 1: I think there's people that absolutely use it for like
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Speaker 1: the fun value or sometimes like the entertainment of love
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Speaker 1: is coming or this is kind, but to really sit
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Speaker 1: with the work and really sit with it with a reverence.
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Speaker 1: It's it's such a phenomenal tool for knowing yourself. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: that's That's such a beautiful way to describe it. I
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Speaker 1: feel like a really good session for me, like when
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling most aligned with my work. Um, it's when
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Speaker 1: I can be reflective, you know, mirror for a client
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Speaker 1: in allowing them to see themselves as they are but
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Speaker 1: maybe in a different way, or helping to validate their
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Speaker 1: intuition and you know, affirm their being this because I
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Speaker 1: think you know, astrology is um Again, it's it's a
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Speaker 1: creative interpretation of data. But the data that we're using
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Speaker 1: is universal data, right, and like the universe is constantly
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Speaker 1: unfolding in all kinds of beautiful and mysterious and frightening
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Speaker 1: and bizarre and idiosyncratic manifestation, and we're part of that.
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Speaker 1: You know, every single person is going to have their
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Speaker 1: skills and talents and beauty, and they're also going to
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Speaker 1: have the places where they feel wretched and pathological and
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Speaker 1: it can't seem to get it right. And those those
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Speaker 1: wounds are sacred, you know, when we can hold them
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Speaker 1: with reverence, like you're saying, like, um, when we can
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Speaker 1: accept ourselves and then not fight with ourselves so much,
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Speaker 1: it's like, then we can really get into the truth
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Speaker 1: of our beings and the gifts that we've come in with. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So for anybody listening that is not fully in understanding
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Speaker 1: of what this system of astrology is, can you please explain,
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Speaker 1: like the mechanics behind it? How what is this information?
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Speaker 1: Why is it necessary to have like your birth time
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Speaker 1: and your birth date? What does that mean? Yeah? Yeah, so, um,
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Speaker 1: the system of astrology that I practice is called tropical astrology,
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Speaker 1: and the tropical astrology chart looks like a circle and
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Speaker 1: that's a graphic representation of the sky at the time
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Speaker 1: and place that that the event is. So maybe a
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Speaker 1: person's birth the moment that they come into the world
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Speaker 1: and take their first breath, And in this map we'll see, uh,
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Speaker 1: the kind of locational position of the earth in relationship
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Speaker 1: to the planets, and the planets then are in relationship
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Speaker 1: to each other. So there's geometric arrangements right between all
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Speaker 1: of these planetary objects, including the Earth. And how I
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Speaker 1: think of this is um. You know, we're we're embodied beings,
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Speaker 1: you know, we we live in a phenomenal world where
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Speaker 1: gravity is one of our main rules, and the gravitational
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Speaker 1: force and the magnetic force have a lot to do
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Speaker 1: with how we experience our lives. And so the relationship
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Speaker 1: that's presented within the planetary constellation is going to affect
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Speaker 1: some kind of resonance or vibration, and that vibration gets
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Speaker 1: layered in at this first moment of arriving in our
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Speaker 1: separate identities and our separate forms as a being that's
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Speaker 1: no longer contained within another's body. And so the map
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Speaker 1: that we get UM is a map describing qualities of
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Speaker 1: light and harmonics and relationship. The time that someone is
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Speaker 1: born is telling an astrologer what the light of that
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Speaker 1: time of day is. So if you're born as the
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Speaker 1: sun is rising, there's a particular kind of light that
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Speaker 1: might be different, you know, that is different than if
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Speaker 1: the sun is at high noon right directly above in
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Speaker 1: the sky. Um. The time of year that you're born.
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Speaker 1: What most people you know think of when they think
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Speaker 1: of astrology, Like what side am i? Um? The time
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Speaker 1: of year has so much to do with how we
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Speaker 1: experience our lives. Like up here, I'm in the northern
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Speaker 1: hemisphere in the Pacific Northwest, it's when her it's like
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Speaker 1: gray and dark all the time. I feel really different
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Speaker 1: than I feel in the middle of July. And what's
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Speaker 1: happening around me in terms of people's attitudes um. The
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Speaker 1: quote unquote like traditions or behaviors that might be really
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Speaker 1: common at this time of year are changing, the food
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Speaker 1: that people are eating, the smells that are in the air,
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Speaker 1: the pollen, etcetera. Like it's very time specific. Um. So
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Speaker 1: then you know, with the moon sign, like we can
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Speaker 1: think about the relationship between the Earth, Sun and moon,
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Speaker 1: the way that the moon um has such a significant
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Speaker 1: effect upon the waters of Earth. And we are living
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Speaker 1: on Earth, you know, we are part of Earth. Our
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Speaker 1: bodies are made of earth. So it's it's with this
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Speaker 1: reverence that we position ourselves as you know earthlings, right,
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Speaker 1: like very much affected by light and time and the
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Speaker 1: qualities of the light and the time that we are
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Speaker 1: arise in UM. So that's how I would would think about,
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Speaker 1: you know, what an astrologer is reading. But every planet, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, the planets are kind of like amazing symbol
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Speaker 1: to think of because for a lot of of the ancients,
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Speaker 1: our ancestors, and even now I think there's this this
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Speaker 1: awe of them, right, like I mean think about well,
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Speaker 1: it's not a not a planet, but the Sun, right,
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Speaker 1: our main luminary. Like we need this, we need this
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Speaker 1: energy to live and without it, we were not going
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Speaker 1: to be here, you know. Or Um. A couple of
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, there was a conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn,
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Speaker 1: which is significant, and it's these two really bright lights
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Speaker 1: coming together in the sky. It was visible to the
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Speaker 1: naked eye. So humans throughout the ages, you know, we
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Speaker 1: look to the sky. We look to our environment to
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Speaker 1: understand ourselves, and we can attribute qualities to that which
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Speaker 1: is outside of ourselves, right Like we like to tell stories,
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Speaker 1: we want to personify UM. And astrology is an oral tradition,
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Speaker 1: you know, as well as an oracular tradition. UM. It's
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Speaker 1: passed through UH stories and so every planetary figure has
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Speaker 1: a set of stories that it is associated with. And
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Speaker 1: so when I look at an astrology chart, sometimes I
22:32
Speaker 1: feel like I'm looking at UM, you know, a huge novel,
22:37
Speaker 1: like somebody's life is just there, and there's so many
22:40
Speaker 1: different stories that are pouring out of it. So then
22:43
Speaker 1: my job is to kind of tune into which story
22:46
Speaker 1: feels the most relevant right now, Like what would UM
22:49
Speaker 1: be the most interesting and helpful for my client to explore? So, Renee,
22:55
Speaker 1: tell me how did you begin in astrology and what
22:58
Speaker 1: has drawn you to continue this work and to really
23:02
Speaker 1: grow it so beautifully? Well, I began UM not by
23:05
Speaker 1: choice at all, but by circumstance. My mom was an astrologer,
23:09
Speaker 1: and she had started studying astrology when she was in
23:12
Speaker 1: her early twenties, and when I was born, she was
23:15
Speaker 1: really interested in it UM, and so she took me
23:19
Speaker 1: to get a reading when I was probably about six
23:22
Speaker 1: months old, and continued to get me astrology readings throughout
23:25
Speaker 1: my life, and she worked with it she was She
23:31
Speaker 1: ended up becoming a therapist when I was a teenager,
23:34
Speaker 1: and so she combined astrology with her counseling work. Wow. Yeah,
23:40
Speaker 1: and so she would often I mean, I think a
23:42
Speaker 1: lot of children of therapists have this experience of being
23:45
Speaker 1: you know, explained by their parents or something. UM. But
23:50
Speaker 1: my mom would often explain me to myself with astrology.
23:53
Speaker 1: And so I'd be going through something and she'd be like, Oh,
23:56
Speaker 1: that's because of your Mars or your moon or something
23:59
Speaker 1: like that. And because astrology, at least the way that
24:04
Speaker 1: I've learned it and experienced it through her influence is
24:07
Speaker 1: not very judgmental. UM. It was actually really helpful for me,
24:11
Speaker 1: Like it gave me a lot of insight into myself
24:15
Speaker 1: and UM and into other people. You know, we would
24:19
Speaker 1: play with other people's charts. And when I was in
24:22
Speaker 1: my early twenties, I was in a confusing relationship, you know,
24:26
Speaker 1: as many people are at age, and I picked up
24:30
Speaker 1: a book on relationship astrology and immediately started to have
24:36
Speaker 1: more insight into um, the dynamics that we're at play
24:40
Speaker 1: between me and the person that I was seeing. And
24:43
Speaker 1: then I just got obsessed, and I've been obsessed ever since. UM.
24:47
Speaker 1: I just think it's so helpful as a language and
24:51
Speaker 1: as a tool, and I continue to be amazed m
24:56
Speaker 1: at its accuracy. UM. And so at this point in
25:00
Speaker 1: my life, I feel that it's a contribution that I
25:06
Speaker 1: can make in the world, um, towards the kind of
25:10
Speaker 1: world that I want to live in, which is a
25:12
Speaker 1: world that you know. It's like, people are so different,
25:16
Speaker 1: and if we can find ways to be here together,
25:21
Speaker 1: supporting one another in our differences and living into our
25:25
Speaker 1: creative potential, I think humanity has a great chance at
25:30
Speaker 1: healing a lot of the trauma that's here, you know,
25:33
Speaker 1: taking care of our environment and really living joyfully and
25:38
Speaker 1: living with our highest potential. And um, I just experienced
25:41
Speaker 1: over and over again that astrology is helpful towards those aims.
25:45
Speaker 1: So that's why I've stuck with it and continue to
25:47
Speaker 1: be enthusiastic about it. I love that so much. And
25:52
Speaker 1: I'm really hearing about your mom um and your upbringing
25:55
Speaker 1: with such a great reflection for me because I am
25:58
Speaker 1: the same. My son is two and a half. Well
26:02
Speaker 1: not the same I uh as in my childhood, but
26:05
Speaker 1: my son, um, he's two and a half. But since
26:07
Speaker 1: he was born, right when he was born, I got
26:10
Speaker 1: his birth chart done and I've had it done again
26:12
Speaker 1: by someone else, and I've really you know, I'm a
26:16
Speaker 1: big believer in a lot of like sefology work, and
26:20
Speaker 1: so I've already started building a book for him that
26:24
Speaker 1: has like those deeper understandings about his life plan and
26:28
Speaker 1: and you know, what his what his attributes are, what
26:32
Speaker 1: maybe some things that will be challenges are. And you know,
26:35
Speaker 1: it's like I felt really grateful and proud to be
26:39
Speaker 1: able to do that, um for him and myself, because
26:42
Speaker 1: it's also giving me tools to show up for him
26:46
Speaker 1: based on his needs and based on his life plan
26:50
Speaker 1: and based on his personality traits as opposed to me
26:53
Speaker 1: as a parent, you know, perhaps imposing my will or
26:57
Speaker 1: um my lens of perspective, perspective based on my own life,
27:01
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but I do astrology with my son.
27:04
Speaker 1: I do Ricky on my son. We meditate, and I'm
27:08
Speaker 1: so excited to see who he'll become and what kind
27:12
Speaker 1: of lens he'll view himself in the world through God.
27:17
Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. I'm so excited to hear you speak
27:19
Speaker 1: to that. I feel really hopeful when I encounter parents
27:26
Speaker 1: and partners and family members, you know, anyone who's reaching
27:29
Speaker 1: towards these tools to help each other, you know, And
27:33
Speaker 1: what you were saying like they're giving you tools to
27:36
Speaker 1: to be a supportive parent and ally for him and
27:40
Speaker 1: to not impose your ideas upon him. And in my experience, um,
27:45
Speaker 1: you know, with with my mom, one of the most
27:48
Speaker 1: profound um events that happened because of astrology is that
27:53
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave school when I was thirteen. I
27:57
Speaker 1: was really depressed and I hated being there. And my
28:01
Speaker 1: mom um didn't understand what I was going through. She
28:04
Speaker 1: had been a person who had really liked school, but
28:06
Speaker 1: she had my astrology chart and she knew that it
28:11
Speaker 1: wasn't a good place for me, and so she trusted
28:14
Speaker 1: me to leave. And also because of of seeing my chart, like,
28:20
Speaker 1: she worked with me to help me set up kind
28:23
Speaker 1: of more of a self directed education, which was so courageous.
28:28
Speaker 1: You know, all of her friends were telling her it
28:30
Speaker 1: was a bad idea. All of her family was telling
28:32
Speaker 1: her that. And for me, I you know, I was
28:37
Speaker 1: literally suicidal before I left school, and within two years
28:41
Speaker 1: I was doing great. Um. And so I just I'm
28:45
Speaker 1: like just so deeply grateful to her for for trusting
28:50
Speaker 1: what was coming through in astrology and following it. And yeah,
28:53
Speaker 1: I think that UM, trying to support one another, you know,
28:59
Speaker 1: on in our lives, like with all the differences between
29:02
Speaker 1: people and not being able to put ourselves entirely into
29:06
Speaker 1: another's experience. Anything that can help us, you know, meet
29:10
Speaker 1: each other where we are is just something to celebrate. Yeah,
29:16
Speaker 1: so beautifully said, something to celebrate, especially these days. Hold
29:23
Speaker 1: that thought we are coming right back we had. We've
29:37
Speaker 1: just come out of a hell of a year, right,
29:39
Speaker 1: we just got out of um. You know, the words
29:44
Speaker 1: used to describe this year we've heard over and over,
29:46
Speaker 1: but they are so fitting unprecedented times, right. Um. It
29:52
Speaker 1: has been a year of profound challenge, but profound awakening
29:57
Speaker 1: as well. And I'm you know, I'm kind of no
30:00
Speaker 1: of seeing this very distinct line in the stand that's
30:05
Speaker 1: kind of being drawn, um, from my perspective energetically, where
30:09
Speaker 1: there really is becoming a separation between being stuck and
30:13
Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be awake. And it feels like to
30:16
Speaker 1: me that this like convergence. It's it's kind of going
30:19
Speaker 1: to be two worlds here on Earth in a way
30:22
Speaker 1: that we haven't experienced yet, where one side is really
30:27
Speaker 1: going to be on this fast tracked ascension, um, and
30:31
Speaker 1: the other side maybe we'll continue to kind of um
30:35
Speaker 1: stay where they are. I would love to hear what
30:39
Speaker 1: we're some you know, if we're looking through through the
30:44
Speaker 1: lens of astrology and understanding it through that depth. What
30:48
Speaker 1: are some of the moments that stood out for the
30:51
Speaker 1: year And have any other moments in history been comparable
30:55
Speaker 1: to some of the things that we saw energetically this year? Wow? Yeah,
30:59
Speaker 1: what a great question. Well began with a really significant
31:04
Speaker 1: aspect um that perfected on January twelve. And that aspect
31:09
Speaker 1: is a one s every thirty six year event, which
31:13
Speaker 1: is the meeting of the planet's Saturn and Pluto um.
31:17
Speaker 1: So this is a like I said, it's an event
31:20
Speaker 1: that occurs every thirty six years or so. But they
31:24
Speaker 1: met in the signed Capricorn, and the two planets hadn't
31:29
Speaker 1: come together in Capricorn since eighteen was the last time
31:34
Speaker 1: that uh that they could formed a conjunction in Capricorn,
31:39
Speaker 1: and that was the year that basically the Transatlantic slave
31:44
Speaker 1: trade began. It was the year that King Charles of
31:47
Speaker 1: Spain authorized the first forced transport of enslaved people from
31:53
Speaker 1: from Africa to the America's and then um. The next
32:00
Speaker 1: time the planet Pluto was in Capricorn, UH was in
32:04
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds when the Declaration of Independence was drafted
32:07
Speaker 1: and signed and the kind of birth of the United States,
32:11
Speaker 1: Um happened. And so in astrology there are these cycles,
32:17
Speaker 1: like these cycles of time. Right, all of the planets
32:19
Speaker 1: orbit around the Sun in a cyclical rhythm, and astrologers
32:25
Speaker 1: are storytellers and historians, and so we are looking back
32:28
Speaker 1: all the time and going, Okay, well, what's the cycle
32:32
Speaker 1: that we're in right now? And when a cycle completes, UM,
32:37
Speaker 1: we're thinking about what is the resonance of this cycle
32:42
Speaker 1: that is completing, and how is it giving birth to
32:45
Speaker 1: this new cycle that's beginning. So in the cycle that
32:51
Speaker 1: completed was a cycle that began in fifteen eighteen and
32:55
Speaker 1: that had resonance to uh, I forget the year that
32:59
Speaker 1: Um declar of Independence was written, seventeen sixty something, right,
33:04
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for that, UM. So it's not at
33:10
Speaker 1: all surprising, you know that a kind of mass consciousness,
33:16
Speaker 1: like it's not like, you know, people hadn't been saying
33:20
Speaker 1: this or chanting this for generations already, But it was
33:25
Speaker 1: like a mass consciousness suddenly clicked into what the history is,
33:31
Speaker 1: you know, to some level, and started to acknowledge it together,
33:35
Speaker 1: and that gave momentum um to start this new cycle.
33:41
Speaker 1: And the new cycle then is arising from the past,
33:46
Speaker 1: but it also is going to have its own momentum,
33:49
Speaker 1: its own kind of flavor UM. And one of the
33:52
Speaker 1: significant things about the conjunction in is that Jupiter was
33:58
Speaker 1: also in Capricorn and so there was a kind of
34:00
Speaker 1: triple conjunction throughout the year. And as a planetary energy UM,
34:04
Speaker 1: Jupiter provides opportunity and growth and the possibility of expansion
34:10
Speaker 1: and wisdom and learning. And so I think a lot
34:14
Speaker 1: of UM what what came through in like you said,
34:18
Speaker 1: you know, unprecedented. Other words I've heard are reckoning, um.
34:24
Speaker 1: You know this this need to be accountable to what
34:27
Speaker 1: has happened and to learn from it and then to
34:31
Speaker 1: grow into something new, to transform what has happened into
34:35
Speaker 1: something new UM. So within I would say that the
34:42
Speaker 1: main influence was this conjunction between Saturn and Pluto, with
34:47
Speaker 1: Jupiter's influence as well. And there you know, there are
34:52
Speaker 1: several influences throughout the year that I think we're um notable.
34:57
Speaker 1: But one of the other ones that a lot of
34:59
Speaker 1: astrology years were following and talking about was the way
35:03
Speaker 1: that Mars retrograde cycle aspected with these influences in capricorn
35:12
Speaker 1: Um and Mars was retrograde Forum basically from July through
35:17
Speaker 1: the end of the year and so spicy. Yeah, Mars
35:22
Speaker 1: is the planetary ruler of Aries Um. Both of their
35:25
Speaker 1: energies are uh. They can be warlike and combative, they
35:30
Speaker 1: can be really aggressive. They represent UM, not men per se,
35:35
Speaker 1: but masculinity and so like this kind of young energy
35:40
Speaker 1: the um a lot of things that we may associate with,
35:44
Speaker 1: like with a kind of masculinity, so UM like a
35:48
Speaker 1: bravado or a machismo or a showy nous or UM
35:52
Speaker 1: assertiveness or things like that. And Mars was retrograde UM
35:58
Speaker 1: September and October, and it was forming really hard aspects
36:04
Speaker 1: with the capricorn placements UM all through July, June, July,
36:10
Speaker 1: August UM and then into the rest of the year.
36:15
Speaker 1: And when Mars formed its squares to Pluto UM, what
36:20
Speaker 1: we had is UH confrontational aspect. This is a square
36:25
Speaker 1: an argumentative, conflicting aspect between one energy Mars and aries
36:31
Speaker 1: that is UM pushing for some kind of movement like uh,
36:40
Speaker 1: it's an unapologetic UH push for action. Arias is really
36:45
Speaker 1: action oriented. There can be a lot of individualism within
36:50
Speaker 1: Mars and areas as an energy, and also there's a
36:56
Speaker 1: kind of nod to the power of a person with
37:01
Speaker 1: with Aries as an energy and with Mars as an energy,
37:04
Speaker 1: and they are confronting Pluto and Capricorn, which we might
37:07
Speaker 1: see as an energetic that describes UM a government or
37:15
Speaker 1: dominant power. This is Capricorn and Pluto UM. Some kind
37:20
Speaker 1: of transformative process would be one way to think of
37:22
Speaker 1: the symbol, but we can also think of the misuse
37:26
Speaker 1: of power and a kind of tyranny that can come
37:29
Speaker 1: through with Pluto's energetic. So looking back at last year
37:34
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, the uprisings and this incredible UM
37:40
Speaker 1: kind of energy of change that came through in UM,
37:44
Speaker 1: it's really amazing to look at the correspondence between UH
37:49
Speaker 1: Mars square Pluto UM and kind of how those aspects
37:56
Speaker 1: showed up in the charts that that I looked at
38:00
Speaker 1: some of the charts UM of last year's like really
38:04
Speaker 1: notable moments, you know. So on the chart for UM
38:09
Speaker 1: the uprising in Minneapolis following George Floyd's murder, UM, there
38:13
Speaker 1: was such incredible tension between Mars and Pluto UM and
38:20
Speaker 1: numerous other aspects that you know, probably aren't this isn't
38:23
Speaker 1: a time to get into explaining all of them, but
38:27
Speaker 1: a symbol basically of individuals being fed up, you know,
38:33
Speaker 1: and and the force of conviction that gained enough momentum
38:41
Speaker 1: to become cohesive enough to challenge a dominant power and
38:45
Speaker 1: to break something m hm, or break through something. It's
38:51
Speaker 1: so interesting. You know. Something that I've spoken to quite
38:54
Speaker 1: a bit on this show and just a reflection I've
38:56
Speaker 1: been having in myself is, without even knowing the the
39:00
Speaker 1: astrological background on this, is how really in the last
39:04
Speaker 1: three to five years, our collective consciousness has risen probably
39:09
Speaker 1: more than it's risen in the last several hundred years.
39:12
Speaker 1: You know, like these these conversations, these themes of the
39:17
Speaker 1: way we experience ourselves in society have been rising to
39:21
Speaker 1: the top at this accelerated pace, you know, and it's
39:24
Speaker 1: like it's incredible, um, but it's a lot, and I
39:28
Speaker 1: think we haven't really taken full stock of how weighty
39:32
Speaker 1: that is, you know, to be fully embedded and exploring, uh,
39:38
Speaker 1: the racial dynamic in America this powerfully for the first time, um,
39:44
Speaker 1: really opening up conversations about women and sexuality and you know,
39:51
Speaker 1: the oppression of women and sexual assault, and you know
39:54
Speaker 1: the way in which toxic masculinity has guided us societally
39:59
Speaker 1: since it's in option, and you know, it's like we
40:01
Speaker 1: are gender equality, you know, UM, all the different ways
40:06
Speaker 1: that that we can come to this earth. You know,
40:09
Speaker 1: we have not unpacked all of these things ever, let
40:13
Speaker 1: alone all at once, you know. And so it's it's
40:18
Speaker 1: in terms of our collective consciousness, it's a it's a
40:21
Speaker 1: gorgeous elevation we're having, but it is also probably the
40:24
Speaker 1: biggest challenge for all of us to really receive and
40:28
Speaker 1: interpret and sit with how heavy these themes are. Yeah, absolutely,
40:35
Speaker 1: I definitely agree. And I think UM. I think in
40:40
Speaker 1: terms of astrological symbolism, UM really speaks to that tell
40:45
Speaker 1: me your name, give us the UM. Well, so in
40:52
Speaker 1: I was already kind of talking about the presence of
40:55
Speaker 1: Saturn and Jupiter and Capricorn, and Capricorn is a sign
40:59
Speaker 1: that UM is associated with what has been built over
41:04
Speaker 1: time through the dominant power. So the structures that have
41:08
Speaker 1: been erected UM historically because of who had access to
41:12
Speaker 1: erecting them. So we can think about governments for sure,
41:16
Speaker 1: and and you know, leaders or whatever like these structural
41:20
Speaker 1: powers UM as well as traditions and conservatism UM towards
41:25
Speaker 1: that are really associated with Capricorn often and Aquarius is
41:29
Speaker 1: a sign that comes after Capricorn. And with Aquarius UM
41:36
Speaker 1: there are two ways I think UM we can describe Aquarius.
41:40
Speaker 1: And so first of all, Aquarius is an air sign,
41:43
Speaker 1: and all of the air signs have to do with
41:46
Speaker 1: UH thought and UM concept and the mental plane, the
41:51
Speaker 1: informational plane, and coming after Capricorn, Aquarius can be a
41:56
Speaker 1: symbol of UM, the like mental fixed nous that is
42:05
Speaker 1: produced through tradition or through UM coherence with the dominant structure.
42:12
Speaker 1: So for example, UM, you know, you could be waiting
42:16
Speaker 1: to cross the street and the light is red, but
42:21
Speaker 1: there's no cars coming. You could easily cross the street,
42:23
Speaker 1: but if you've really been trained to not cross the
42:25
Speaker 1: street when the light is red, you won't even go
42:27
Speaker 1: to start to walk right Like that would be an
42:30
Speaker 1: example of the way that a thought could be really
42:33
Speaker 1: embodied and then become an attitude or a somatic UM instinct.
42:39
Speaker 1: And so Aquarius can definitely speak to that, like the
42:42
Speaker 1: ways that we are complicit with UM with structure UH
42:48
Speaker 1: without even thinking about it, just because that's what we've
42:51
Speaker 1: grown in and arisen front. These are conditions UM, but
42:56
Speaker 1: Aquarius also speaks to the ability to wake up to
42:59
Speaker 1: condition ng and to break uh, to have some kind
43:02
Speaker 1: of breakthrough, and then to reach for liberation. And that's
43:07
Speaker 1: kind of the high vibration of Aquarius is this idea
43:10
Speaker 1: of freedom, and it's not like freedom to do whatever
43:14
Speaker 1: you want. It's it's freedom from the conditioning, like freedom
43:18
Speaker 1: to actually be present in your life and not to
43:22
Speaker 1: stay in some constant state of repetition or oppression under
43:28
Speaker 1: uh someone else's thought for right or structural thought. So
43:33
Speaker 1: on the solstice of December one, Jupiter and Saturn had
43:39
Speaker 1: both moved into Aquarius the couple of days before, and
43:43
Speaker 1: they formed a conjunction on that day, and that was
43:46
Speaker 1: also a very significant astrological event. Jupiter and Saturn only
43:51
Speaker 1: form their conjunctions once every twenty years, but due to
43:55
Speaker 1: their um their orbits around the Sun, their con junctions
44:01
Speaker 1: UH form in signs of the same element for two
44:05
Speaker 1: hundred years, and they had been meeting in the Earth
44:09
Speaker 1: signs since the early eighteen hundreds and this year, Jupiter
44:15
Speaker 1: and Saturn's conjunction in Aquarius UM on December one marks
44:20
Speaker 1: not just the beginning of a new twenty year cycle,
44:23
Speaker 1: but the beginning of a new two hundred year cycle
44:25
Speaker 1: where they will be meeting in the air signs. And
44:29
Speaker 1: so what this implies with Jupiter and Saturn is a
44:32
Speaker 1: shifting social sentiment. There is enough consciousness and also enough
44:37
Speaker 1: motivation for people to really want change within the structures
44:42
Speaker 1: of society. The first decade or two of this new
44:46
Speaker 1: two hundred year cycle UM will be marked by this
44:50
Speaker 1: effort to change, and astrologers call this time between the
44:56
Speaker 1: changes in element of their meetings. They call it the
44:59
Speaker 1: great mutation because it's a mutation of a social landscape,
45:03
Speaker 1: and the mutation is also occurring obviously for each of
45:07
Speaker 1: us individually and throughout. The most significant astrological aspects will
45:14
Speaker 1: take place between UH, Saturn and Aquarius and the planet
45:18
Speaker 1: Urinus in Taurists, and Urinus is associated with Aquarius. It's
45:22
Speaker 1: the modern planetary ruler of the sign. And what this
45:27
Speaker 1: aspect speaks to is UH some kind of concentrated effort
45:31
Speaker 1: to change. And the effort to change is um not easy, right, like,
45:37
Speaker 1: especially if we're trying to change things that are really
45:40
Speaker 1: deeply embedded, especially if we're trying to change things that
45:44
Speaker 1: like you said, I haven't been talked about, like, have
45:47
Speaker 1: barely been acknowledged, might not even you know, be cognizant
45:51
Speaker 1: for a lot of folks. So the ability to change
45:57
Speaker 1: it is you know, uh, it necessitates mental, psychic, physical, relational,
46:07
Speaker 1: emotional willingness to be uncomfortable right and to like try
46:14
Speaker 1: to recognize where habit and pattern is keeping us from
46:20
Speaker 1: having an authentic, liberated experience, are loving experience. So my
46:26
Speaker 1: feeling is that, um, there there is enough consciousness now
46:35
Speaker 1: that the hope for change can get grounded. Like like
46:40
Speaker 1: we're seeing you know, we're feeling like maybe not as apathetic,
46:45
Speaker 1: you know, as we did in nineteen. Like there's a
46:48
Speaker 1: feeling of like maybe maybe we can get somewhere. And
46:52
Speaker 1: there's there's so much assistance when it comes to information
46:58
Speaker 1: at this time. There is language that we didn't have
47:00
Speaker 1: ten years ago. There are leaders and teachers who are
47:04
Speaker 1: modeling by example, UM, ways of being and ways of
47:11
Speaker 1: policy making or legislating that we could feel hopeful about. Um.
47:17
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ideas about how we could reshape
47:20
Speaker 1: society or reform community, and I think that there's enough
47:25
Speaker 1: people that want that that we can make a sustained
47:28
Speaker 1: push and a sustained effort. But the challenge of this
47:33
Speaker 1: of this year especially is to be consistent and dedicated
47:39
Speaker 1: in our effort. We've got a lot of ideas, there's
47:42
Speaker 1: a lot of enthusiasm, there's a lot of energy for change,
47:46
Speaker 1: but it's not going to happen over a night, and
47:48
Speaker 1: there will be this uh like intensity around the struggle
47:52
Speaker 1: for it. So we have to stay consistent. And part
47:56
Speaker 1: of consistency is also sustainability, right, like we we can't
48:00
Speaker 1: burn ourselves out. And one thing that I'm really loving
48:04
Speaker 1: about right now is how much um awareness and I
48:09
Speaker 1: feel like your podcast does this uh so much too,
48:13
Speaker 1: Like there's this awareness that the revolution is going to
48:16
Speaker 1: be supported by care, you know, and it's not just
48:20
Speaker 1: the fight for change. It's also like or it's not
48:23
Speaker 1: just the fight, you know, like change can also look
48:26
Speaker 1: like holding each other and um being vulnerable, like allowing
48:32
Speaker 1: someone to like see you when you don't know what
48:34
Speaker 1: you're doing and you feel like you just made a mess,
48:37
Speaker 1: and like giving space to each other to take a
48:40
Speaker 1: nap and taking care of someone's kids or you know,
48:42
Speaker 1: things like this, like this is all part of what's
48:45
Speaker 1: going to carry us through. Wow. Wow, wow for anybody
48:49
Speaker 1: that was just listening to this and felt I did
48:53
Speaker 1: feel that spark of hope, but also perhaps felt a
48:56
Speaker 1: little weighted down because I think you know, the thing
48:59
Speaker 1: that that everyone made it through was like, oh that
49:03
Speaker 1: year is over. Uh so now things are going to
49:06
Speaker 1: be you know, lighter or different. Um, would you say
49:11
Speaker 1: that the challenges this year we will feel more equipped
49:15
Speaker 1: for or do you think that this will be another
49:18
Speaker 1: year of kind of some of that um cocooning or
49:21
Speaker 1: maybe emotional withdrawal and isolation. You know, I think that
49:26
Speaker 1: one has a remarkably different energy than in a sense
49:30
Speaker 1: that had a feeling for me in the astrology. Um,
49:35
Speaker 1: that definitely I think was a feeling a lot of
49:37
Speaker 1: people who experienced a really intense restriction and isolation and closure. Um,
49:45
Speaker 1: it was a death year, and one um is it
49:50
Speaker 1: is much more of an activating year, Like there's a
49:55
Speaker 1: lot of energy in it that feels more excitable and
50:01
Speaker 1: excited than did that said a word like easy or
50:07
Speaker 1: something like that isn't what I would use to describe
50:10
Speaker 1: what I feel coming through. And um, you know, the
50:14
Speaker 1: changing of a calendar year, the Gregorian calendar, it's it's
50:18
Speaker 1: definitely significant, but it doesn't mean that all that was
50:22
Speaker 1: unearthed and the problems aren't just here with us in
50:26
Speaker 1: one like. We we have to continue, um, you know,
50:30
Speaker 1: with everything that that we've already been doing, and it
50:34
Speaker 1: will take a different form, you know. I think there's
50:38
Speaker 1: I really do feel like there's a remarkably different energy
50:41
Speaker 1: this year. Um. But I don't I don't get the
50:45
Speaker 1: feeling that it's um like just a relaxed chill walk
50:49
Speaker 1: in the park or something like that. Yeah. Actually, and
50:53
Speaker 1: I feel that too. I feel that, you know, was
50:57
Speaker 1: the year of illumination on a global scale, of all
51:01
Speaker 1: of the secrets and the darker parts and the crevices
51:06
Speaker 1: that many of us knew about but also many didn't,
51:09
Speaker 1: especially globally. And I think it was the year that
51:12
Speaker 1: we were meant to meet ourselves more deeply. We were
51:15
Speaker 1: meant to really start figuring out our deeper desires and
51:21
Speaker 1: our needs and who are we without these titles or
51:24
Speaker 1: without these roles or friendships or events or you know,
51:28
Speaker 1: and to cultivate tools. And it feels like it's like, hey,
51:32
Speaker 1: life is still happening, Earth is still wild, um, but
51:38
Speaker 1: now you not only have the tools but you know
51:41
Speaker 1: how to use them. You've practiced using them, so none
51:44
Speaker 1: of this will be a shock anymore. None of this
51:46
Speaker 1: will feel as disconnected from self. You know, like we
51:50
Speaker 1: get to actually walk into the world with confidence of
51:55
Speaker 1: use of our tools. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
52:01
Speaker 1: Still use that, but we feel a little more equipped
52:04
Speaker 1: to use them. Yeah. Yeah. When you were saying that,
52:08
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how I think astrology matches with this,
52:13
Speaker 1: and and definitely the sentiment that I had a lot
52:16
Speaker 1: was that there was the you know, there was like
52:21
Speaker 1: a lot there was so much loss and this feeling
52:24
Speaker 1: of like things can't things aren't going to be the
52:27
Speaker 1: same anymore, Like the people were saying that all the time.
52:29
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, oh, things are going to be
52:31
Speaker 1: the same, and like this really dramatic departure from the
52:35
Speaker 1: status quo that the pandemic brought, you know, that we
52:41
Speaker 1: really like are in a profound moment of change. And
52:45
Speaker 1: what one feels like to me is that we've now
52:50
Speaker 1: gotten through the malaise, uh and the inertia of that
52:55
Speaker 1: first phase of change that has to do with unpredictability
53:00
Speaker 1: and not knowing what's happening and feeling like things are
53:02
Speaker 1: being taken away and something is ending, and now there's
53:06
Speaker 1: this sense of Okay, things have changed, they're continuing to change,
53:11
Speaker 1: so how can I push for the kind of change
53:14
Speaker 1: that I want? There's like more there's more conviction, there's
53:17
Speaker 1: more fearlessness, and there's also more of an attitude of like, well,
53:23
Speaker 1: I gotta give it all i've got, you know, because
53:25
Speaker 1: this is the chance to do it and there's not
53:27
Speaker 1: really much else to do other than that. Yeah. Yeah,
53:31
Speaker 1: it's so true. And you know, I'm a believer in
53:34
Speaker 1: the opportunity and everything. So I personally feel like and
53:37
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the listeners of the show
53:40
Speaker 1: can kind of feel the same way too. It's just like, Okay,
53:44
Speaker 1: taught me how to surrender fully to uncertainty or for
53:49
Speaker 1: some glimpse the understanding of uncertainty, um and find some
53:54
Speaker 1: peace with it. And then this is the year that
53:58
Speaker 1: you know, I get to now has drived this new
54:01
Speaker 1: normal with a little more confidence. You know, the work
54:03
Speaker 1: isn't done, It's never done, but I do think that
54:06
Speaker 1: there's going to be ease to our process, or at
54:09
Speaker 1: least some creativity in our process this go around. Yeah, absolutely,
54:13
Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with that and what you said
54:16
Speaker 1: about surrender, UM, I think that's you know, when you're
54:21
Speaker 1: talking about tools, you know, the tools that people have
54:24
Speaker 1: that maybe they've been able to practice now and can
54:27
Speaker 1: employ with more ease as we move forward. Surrender feels
54:31
Speaker 1: like one of those tools to me, you know, of like, Okay,
54:35
Speaker 1: here we are. We don't know what's next, what's in
54:39
Speaker 1: the past is now gone, but like here we are
54:43
Speaker 1: this and make the most out of it. Oh, I
54:45
Speaker 1: love that, Renee. Before we head out of here, at
54:59
Speaker 1: the end of every show, we give everyone listening a
55:02
Speaker 1: little bit of soul work. Do you have some soul
55:05
Speaker 1: work that our audience can take away with them this week,
55:09
Speaker 1: something that they maybe they can practice or do or
55:12
Speaker 1: try or taste or glimpse until our next episode. Yeah,
55:16
Speaker 1: I do, absolutely. I'm so UM excited for this and
55:21
Speaker 1: I loved UM learning that you did this in your podcast. UM.
55:26
Speaker 1: What one thing that I wanted to offer that I've
55:28
Speaker 1: been working with myself UM on a lot in the
55:32
Speaker 1: last couple of months is UM. It's a practice for
55:37
Speaker 1: for circulation of vitality, of love, of awareness, and astrologically
55:48
Speaker 1: in UM, Like I said, one of the main influences
55:52
Speaker 1: has to do with Aquarius, with this aquarian energy, and
55:57
Speaker 1: I studied medical astrology and the astrology of the boy d,
56:00
Speaker 1: and in that um system, Aquarius rules circulation and the
56:07
Speaker 1: circulation of of our blood and of oxygen as well
56:11
Speaker 1: as life force UM the nervous system, consciousness from our
56:17
Speaker 1: spine and our central body and our heart out into
56:20
Speaker 1: all of our tissues, into the periphery of our body,
56:23
Speaker 1: and into the energy that we exude in the world. UM.
56:28
Speaker 1: So the homework that I would offer the practice UM
56:33
Speaker 1: would be a pretty simple embodiment invitation, which is to
56:40
Speaker 1: imagine and try and bring awareness into your literal heart,
56:47
Speaker 1: into the organ of your heart. And I find that
56:51
Speaker 1: touch can really help me, and so to feel your heart,
56:55
Speaker 1: it can be helpful to gently tap with your fingertips
56:59
Speaker 1: over your stern um and your chest, or it can
57:02
Speaker 1: be helpful to place your palms over your chest or
57:05
Speaker 1: around the sides of your upper ribs um. Your heart
57:09
Speaker 1: is held between your two lungs um and it's also
57:15
Speaker 1: supported underneath by your diaphragm, and it's directly in front
57:19
Speaker 1: of your spine. So any any assistance that can give
57:24
Speaker 1: to think about the location of your heart, to feel
57:27
Speaker 1: your breath, to feel your spine, um, to touch your body,
57:32
Speaker 1: and to come into some kind of imagination would be
57:36
Speaker 1: one way or a couple of ways to UH start
57:40
Speaker 1: to feel your heart. And then the meditation is to
57:44
Speaker 1: really UM arrive with presence in your heart and to
57:50
Speaker 1: invite your heart's energy to start to expand and your
57:56
Speaker 1: heart's energy on a physiological level, UM is your life energy.
58:02
Speaker 1: You know. It is your heartbeat, your pulse. Your heart
58:06
Speaker 1: moves oxygen um which all of yourselves need into your
58:11
Speaker 1: entire body. And so you can think about this with
58:16
Speaker 1: your breath like as you inhale UM, you might breathe
58:21
Speaker 1: directly in to your heart and really feel its strength,
58:24
Speaker 1: and as you exhale, you could imagine the energy of
58:28
Speaker 1: your heart UM emanating and traveling all the way out
58:34
Speaker 1: into every single part of your body. If it feels
58:38
Speaker 1: more intuitive to feel your heart expanding as you breathe
58:40
Speaker 1: in and then strengthening as you exhale, either way is fine,
58:47
Speaker 1: and that would be the invitation is to spend time
58:52
Speaker 1: every day for just a couple of minutes or longer
58:56
Speaker 1: if you have it, UM and really tune into your
59:00
Speaker 1: heart and feel your heart, ask your heart to talk
59:07
Speaker 1: to you, you know, like there's so much wisdom in
59:10
Speaker 1: our hearts um in in their actual organs, but also
59:15
Speaker 1: in the energy that surrounds them and the ways that
59:19
Speaker 1: we feel love and care and connection um in our
59:22
Speaker 1: chest centers. So anything that resonates for heart energy to
59:28
Speaker 1: tune in, to breathe, to listen, and then to invite
59:32
Speaker 1: it to expand into your whole body and maybe even
59:37
Speaker 1: out into the space around you. Mm hmm. That felts
59:43
Speaker 1: so good. I was I was following your directions as
59:46
Speaker 1: you were talking. I'm so blessed out, Renee. I am
59:52
Speaker 1: so grateful um for who you are in the world,
59:54
Speaker 1: in this beautiful work that you do, and everyone listening.
59:58
Speaker 1: Everything will be tagged in the show information, but please
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Speaker 1: a beautiful podcast called Embodied Astrology that you should check out,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: amongst so many other things. I am so grateful. Thank
1:00:13
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on today and breaking all
1:00:16
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1:00:21
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