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Credlin | 25 February · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, great tabby company. Here's what's coming up on
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  Speaker 2: the show tonight. More Ranked polity him from Labor today,
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  Speaker 2: ramping up their obsession with Peter Dutton. This time it's
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  Speaker 2: about ches he brought almost two decades ago. Now, like
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  Speaker 2: medi scare, the Labor lies don't survive a collision with
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  Speaker 2: the facts. I was there at the time. I've got
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  Speaker 2: some updates for you. Shortly, speaking too of Rank politics,
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  Speaker 2: more details have emerged as to the seats that Tony
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: Burke was targeting in his citizenship blitz. All key target
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  Speaker 2: seats for Labor. Said that James Patterson's been pursuing this
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  Speaker 2: sin estimates again today. He'll join me a little later. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: you know the Teals and the Greens can sense a
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  Speaker 2: hung parliaments coming. A major offshore gas project is on
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  Speaker 2: their wish list to cancel it. If that's the case,
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  Speaker 2: it's a worry for WA. But it's a sad taste
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  Speaker 2: of the environmental madness we can look for or to
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  Speaker 2: unless there's a Liberal majority. And those ridiculous claims from
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  Speaker 2: Labor about a two decade old share buy as Labor
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  Speaker 2: lays the groundwork forget another personal attack on Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: in questions, Dad, why don't you say.
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  Speaker 3: This is the modern at just attacking, attacking the leader.
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  Speaker 2: Con but first the shore sign of a government with
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  Speaker 2: no record to run on and no ideas for the
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  Speaker 2: future is a smear campaign against the opposition. The latest
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  Speaker 2: effort is today's Labor Dirt Unit claim that Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: somehow engaged in insider trading because he bought shares just
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  Speaker 2: before the then government's GFC bank guarantee, his labour's attack
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  Speaker 2: dog Murray wat and.
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  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, the day before this massive bailout,
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  Speaker 4: he takes an interest in buying banking stocks. It's a
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  Speaker 4: bit weird and I think it's a bit serious. There
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  Speaker 4: might not have been pretty do anything except the public discussion. Well,
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  Speaker 4: no one else that I'm aware of was banking that
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  Speaker 4: was buying the sort of volume of banking shares on
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  Speaker 4: that particular day when banks were at a record low
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  Speaker 4: with their share value.
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  Speaker 2: Those labor clowns were the government that was in opposition. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: he was the opposition Health shadow at the time. How
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  Speaker 2: would he have any insider knowledge? But more than that,
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  Speaker 2: unlike others discussing this issue in the media today. I
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  Speaker 2: was actually there in opposition at the time in the
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  Speaker 2: Leader's office, and the only people who got any sort
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  Speaker 2: of briefing from the then run government about the GFC
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  Speaker 2: was the Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull and the Shadow Treasurer
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, certainly not Peter Dutton. I can also add
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  Speaker 2: because I was the Shadow Cabinet secretary at the time,
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  Speaker 2: so I set the agenda and did the minutes for
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  Speaker 2: every single Shadow Cabinet meeting. Not even as a member
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  Speaker 2: of Shadow Cabinet did Duntont get any special sort of
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  Speaker 2: treasury briefing, so an insider briefing to know about insider trading,
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  Speaker 2: And nor did any official brief the shadow cabinet, as
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  Speaker 2: often happens for the government when they bring officials into cabinet.
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  Speaker 2: This is the shadow cabinet after all, So any idea
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  Speaker 2: that he might have known something, what's just a joke
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  Speaker 2: and it's a sign of sheer desperation from a desperate government.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that the dirt unit has gone into overdrive,
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  Speaker 2: well that's the best indication to me. The PM's about
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  Speaker 2: to call the election, but put the share fur fee
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  Speaker 2: to one side. Let's take another look at Labour's May
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  Speaker 2: attack against the Coalition. This is many scare two point zero.
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  Speaker 2: The Amineezy government is so bereft of ideas that it's
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  Speaker 2: got to rerun some old scare campaigns. In this case
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  Speaker 2: the one they use for shortened very successfully in twenty
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  Speaker 2: sixteen against Malcolm Turbul. Now, back then, this scare campaign
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  Speaker 2: almost worked because Turbul kept merchant banker ours in the
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  Speaker 2: campaign and he wanted a coronation, not a fight in
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  Speaker 2: a contest. This latest medi scare campaign much less likely
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  Speaker 2: to work against Dutton, though he's a better campaigner, and
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  Speaker 2: Labour's desperation means it's flagged the scare too soon. Most importantly,
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  Speaker 2: though it's a lie. Here's Anthony Ilbenezy today trying to
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  Speaker 2: make the next election all about Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton, when he was Health Minister, ripped fifty billion
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  Speaker 5: dollars out of the hospital system. Peter Dutton, who has
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  Speaker 5: never supported, very clearly on his own record, supported free healthcare.
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton can't be trusted. Peter Dutton slashing and cuts,
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  Speaker 5: that's a matter for Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 2: Goodness may lie, lie of pants on fire. Here are
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  Speaker 2: the facts. Health spending was not a repeat, not cut.
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  Speaker 2: When Tony Abbott was PM and Peter Dutton was the
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  Speaker 2: Health Minister again I was there. They were determined to
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  Speaker 2: honor the commitment that there would be no cuts to medicare.
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  Speaker 2: In the two years that Peter Dutton was the Health minister.
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  Speaker 2: Hospital of funding increased, that's right. It increased by sixteen
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  Speaker 2: percent over the life of the recent coalition government. Hospital
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  Speaker 2: funding will it almost doubled. It started out at thirteen
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  Speaker 2: point three billion and went out to twenty four point
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  Speaker 2: seven billion. That's an increase of some eighty six percent
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  Speaker 2: in funding. And that's not the cut that Labour's trying
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  Speaker 2: to claim. As well. Over the life of the coalition government,
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  Speaker 2: bulk billing increased, that's right. It increased from around eighty
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  Speaker 2: two percent to eighty eight percent. That's a six percentage
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  Speaker 2: point increase in Australia's bulk billing rate. Again, no cut
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  Speaker 2: and certainly no bulk billing crisis under Peter Dutton or
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  Speaker 2: the coalition. In fact, it's actually been the Albanesi government.
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  Speaker 2: It's this government that's presided over a collapse in the
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  Speaker 2: bulk billing rate from eighty eight percent in May twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two when the government was elected to just seventy
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  Speaker 2: eight percent at the beginning of this year. That's a
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  Speaker 2: fall of some eleven percent under Labor. That's another uncomfortable truth,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it For the Prime Minister. It was actually the
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  Speaker 2: Gillard government Io, not Peter Dutton, that first froze the
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  Speaker 2: GP rebate and there were no cuts to any Medicare rebates,
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  Speaker 2: none at all when Peter Dutton was the Health Minister.
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  Speaker 2: And as for the Medicare co payment, that was an idea,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't supported in the Parliament, but as a principle
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  Speaker 2: it had every cent of the extra revenue collected then
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  Speaker 2: directed to the Medical Research Future Fund. Now that was
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  Speaker 2: set up any way under Peter Dutton, and it's now
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  Speaker 2: reached some twenty two billion dollars and it's pouring at
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  Speaker 2: least that billion dollars a year into the work of
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  Speaker 2: our world leading scientists. There was even a doctored ad
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  Speaker 2: on all of this. This is what Labor has put
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  Speaker 2: to air.
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  Speaker 6: We're very clear about this. Medicare is dead.
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  Speaker 2: You saw the ad. Now listen to what Dunton actually said.
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  Speaker 2: We're very clear about this.
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  Speaker 7: Medicare is dead if we can't make it sustainable.
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  Speaker 2: Today talk about misinformation. So see this for what it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a desperate second hand scare campaign by a prime
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  Speaker 2: minister with no record to run on, no plan for
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  Speaker 2: the future, and absolutely no integrity. Look. One of the
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  Speaker 2: worst features of the Alberanezer government has been at sustained
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  Speaker 2: sabotage of the productive economy that we need to pay
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  Speaker 2: for the standard of living we all demand, and our
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  Speaker 2: ever increase. Seeing social spending under labor the size of
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  Speaker 2: governments expanded by two percentage points of GDP to a
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  Speaker 2: peacetime record. If the burns and the restrictions on the
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: real economy have never been greater, Think of all the
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  Speaker 2: green tape, the red tape, things like the emission safeguard mechanism,
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  Speaker 2: all the extra union interfering such as industry wide bargaining.
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  Speaker 2: No new gas fields have happened under this government. No
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  Speaker 2: new thermal coal mines have started under this government, even
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  Speaker 2: though coal and gas are two of our three biggest exports.
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  Speaker 2: They've shut down the live sheep trade, and if re elected,
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: it's absolutely certain they're going to shut salmon fishing in
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  Speaker 2: Tasmania and it will be worse. Much worse is if
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  Speaker 2: as is still the most widely tipped outcome we end
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  Speaker 2: up with a Labour Green Teal sort of minority government.
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  Speaker 2: The Northwest Shelf is just about our most important mineral
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  Speaker 2: province and the West Australian Labor Government has given all
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  Speaker 2: the approvals now to extend its life for another fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: That this approval process just for an extensions taken six years,
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  Speaker 2: six years in itsself, shows just how hard it is
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  Speaker 2: for productive business in this country. When asked about it today, though,
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister couldn't give a direct answer about whether
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  Speaker 2: the federal approvals would come online, instead dodging the question
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  Speaker 2: and then calling an end to his press conference.
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  Speaker 6: If that could be.
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  Speaker 8: A demand though of k Chane and the inner minority
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  Speaker 8: government is what are you going.
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  Speaker 9: To do there?
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  Speaker 5: Well these matters before the Environment Minister. The Environment Minister responds,
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  Speaker 5: in accordance with the law, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yet another critical decision sitting on Tania Plevise's desk. She
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  Speaker 2: is delaying until after the election. They'll want to reject
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  Speaker 2: this extension, just like they want to win salmon farming,
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  Speaker 2: but they can't afford to tell you about it now
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  Speaker 2: in case it costs them votes. This is a project
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  Speaker 2: that generates a billion dollars a year in royalty revenues alone.
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  Speaker 2: Even the West Australian Labor Energy Minister is attacking what
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  Speaker 2: he calls and I quote nerdy little bureaucrats in Canberra
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  Speaker 2: for the latest delay. But the TLS via k Cheney
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  Speaker 2: or they're demanded the Tanya plavasac block this extension, just
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  Speaker 2: like she blocked the mcphillaby gold mine. Now, honestly, where
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  Speaker 2: do people think our wealth comes from and what we're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do when they've closed down the resources and
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  Speaker 2: the agricultural industries that alone make us a first world country.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camber now for the headlines.
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  Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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  Speaker 10: For a third straight day, the Prime Minister out selling
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  Speaker 10: the eight point five billion dollar pledge for bulk billing
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  Speaker 10: for all and sledging the coalition's plan to match.
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  Speaker 5: It, something that it was sincere as a fake.
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  Speaker 10: Ten the Opposition is promising to pay for the Medicare
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  Speaker 10: injection by sacking tens of thousands of public servants.
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  Speaker 11: Does anyone anywhere feel that the service delivery from the
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  Speaker 11: Commonwealth Government is improving.
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  Speaker 10: The Prime Minister argues the proposed cuts will impact everyday Australians.
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  Speaker 5: Less people providing the support that a strange need, perhaps
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  Speaker 5: more robodebt.
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  Speaker 11: We've said there won't be cuts to frontline services.
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  Speaker 10: As the election waiting game drags on, the Opposition claims
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  Speaker 10: Labor is already throwing mud after details of Peter Dutton's
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  Speaker 10: share trades in the global financial crisis become public. It
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  Speaker 10: was just a coincidence, was it that there was a
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  Speaker 10: lot of shares purchased the day before a bank bank
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  Speaker 10: outside this train going on a happy coincidence? News dot
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  Speaker 10: com Dot a u reports mister Dutton bought shares in
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  Speaker 10: the big banks in January two thousand and nine, just
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  Speaker 10: ahead of the Rudd Labor government's four billion dollar bank bailout.
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  Speaker 4: Did he have access to that said sensitive information?
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  Speaker 11: The Labor Party dirt unit is powering up. What a
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  Speaker 11: pity they're not powering up an economic plan.
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  Speaker 10: Meanwhile, at Kiribilly House, the Prime Minister was caught out
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  Speaker 10: during a backyard charity cricket match or the Deputy Opposition
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  Speaker 10: leader also with a sporting stumble failing to land one
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  Speaker 10: shot despite six attempts at goal for the camera Trudy
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  Speaker 10: McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think both of them should give up, shouldn't they?
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  Speaker 2: Labor was hoping, as you know, to make health a
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  Speaker 2: care election issue, the whole many scare campaigns. They're the
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  Speaker 2: eight point five billion dollar boost to the federal takeover
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  Speaker 2: of the system.
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  Speaker 5: An eight point five billion dollar commitment to deliver stronger
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  Speaker 5: Medicare everywhere, saving people high hids of dollars in out
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  Speaker 5: of pocket costs, no asterisk, no fine print, no terms
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  Speaker 5: and conditions, just one hundred percent bulk billing covered by Medicare.
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  Speaker 2: And to cut that scare campaign offer the knee to
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  Speaker 2: the coalition quickly announced they would match it.
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  Speaker 7: The Coalition government is committed to nine billion dollars worth
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  Speaker 7: of investment into our general practice network. It will provide
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  Speaker 7: support to training, it will provide support to mental health services,
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  Speaker 7: and it will provide support to making sure that practices
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  Speaker 7: are viable, and it'll help build those bulk billing rates
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  Speaker 7: back up to what they were under coalition government.
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  Speaker 2: So is apm's announcement the vote winner, He hopes it is. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it got a bit of a lukewarm reception even at
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  Speaker 2: the ABC.
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  Speaker 8: Why hasn't this already been done?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a pretty fair point that you make. The
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  Speaker 5: truth is that the reason why Medicare needs this response
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  Speaker 5: is to repair the damage that was done when Peter
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  Speaker 5: Dutton was the Health Minister.
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  Speaker 12: But do you understand how people feel frustrated that it
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  Speaker 12: hasn't been done already because billing rates have been in decline.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, But what we've done is improved the Medicare rebate.
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  Speaker 12: How many people see this as a vote switcher for them?
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  Speaker 12: They're like, Yep, that Medicare policy is the sort of
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  Speaker 12: policy I've been looking for.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. Crickets hey for more on this. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: joined by Sky and he's plittal letitor Andrew Clenell. You
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  Speaker 2: saw that audience, it's an ABC audience at that he
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  Speaker 2: thought it was the silver bullet. I think the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister might be disappointed if that was a focus group.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to sway a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of voters. And I think if you look at the record,
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  Speaker 2: and I just went through that now, bog billing rates
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  Speaker 2: were worse under this term of the government than they
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  Speaker 2: have been for about twenty five years and if you
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  Speaker 2: look at all the stuff about health funding too. I've
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  Speaker 2: gone back through all the old Department of Health budget
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  Speaker 2: papers and there's not the cuts that Peter Dutton his
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  Speaker 2: claim to have made. So I think the government's going
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  Speaker 2: to be careful here.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think you're right. They thought it'd be a
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  Speaker 13: silver bullet. I really think they must have thought Peter
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  Speaker 13: Dutton wouldn't match it, and you know, by eight am
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  Speaker 13: Sunday morning on Sunday, Agender Angus Taylor said we're matching it.
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  Speaker 13: Peter Dutton came out during Anthony Albineasi's speech on Sunday
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  Speaker 13: and said the same thing. In fact, we're giving a
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  Speaker 13: little bit more to mental health and that was kind
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  Speaker 13: of the end of the attempt at you know, Jet
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  Speaker 13: charging a labor campaign. So they've got to kind of
• 15:45
  Speaker 13: start again in a sense. And they've been out all
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  Speaker 13: week on this medicare campaigning, but it's like, well the
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  Speaker 13: other guy's doing it anyway, what else you got? So
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  Speaker 13: I think they're in well, I think they're in a
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  Speaker 13: bit of strife the government to be frank Peter, I mean,
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  Speaker 13: they would have seen from what I hear the tracking
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  Speaker 13: polling hasn't moved in two weeks. They've had a rate cut,
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  Speaker 13: they've had a big announcement, they're not shifting it to
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  Speaker 13: where they want it to be. And you know, Peter
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  Speaker 13: Dutton is not there yet and there's a long way
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  Speaker 13: to go and it's tight, let's face it. But Anthony Albanez,
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  Speaker 13: he would want to lift his performance and come up
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  Speaker 13: with a bit more. I mean, I've been saying some
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  Speaker 13: labor people said to me today that was the big one,
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  Speaker 13: and I'm sort of saying, is that it? Because I
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  Speaker 13: don't think that's enough to get well. I think if
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  Speaker 13: you can forget labor and majority government at this point
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  Speaker 13: pretty much, but you know they struggle to get in
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  Speaker 13: minor government.
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  Speaker 2: They've just got one Friday months.
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  Speaker 6: So well.
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  Speaker 2: The interesting thing is, Andrew I was talking to people
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  Speaker 2: in the seat of aston so Key Marginal here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: This is Indian community representatives and they have had calls
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  Speaker 2: coming in two homes running a scare campaign on Medicare
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  Speaker 2: since about Christmas time. So that was laying the groundwork
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  Speaker 2: for the government then to come in and solve the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It was the hallmarks of the two thousand and seven
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  Speaker 2: campaign over the weekend, so I was there at the time.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: Howard government, there was a terrific tax package there by
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  Speaker 2: Peter Costello, all very complex, the sort of thing you
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  Speaker 2: can only do with the resources of treasury to cost
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  Speaker 2: it and within a nano second Kevin Rudd matched it
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  Speaker 2: and so the wind went out of our sales pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 2: We all felt really flat. He was me toing us
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  Speaker 2: and all the big stuff, and of course history says
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: he wanted the landslide. So the question will be sometimes
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: campaigns don't matter, right, Sometimes the campaign it's all over
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  Speaker 2: by the shouting. This one will matter, and it'll come
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: down to hell, well the prime minister and his front
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: bench campaign in the back office too, and the campaign team,
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  Speaker 2: and how well Peter Dutton and his front bench, who
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  Speaker 2: were not as tested as they should be in my view,
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  Speaker 2: how well they campaign.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, and don't forget Kevin robbers ahead fifty seven forty three,
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  Speaker 13: so he ended up something like forty seven. So it's
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  Speaker 13: a little bit different because Peter Dutton's probably fifty two
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  Speaker 13: to forty eight at the moment, which is an improvement
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  Speaker 13: on a couple of weeks ago. Let's face it, and
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  Speaker 13: he's ahead. But the government will hope, labor will hope
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  Speaker 13: they can get that two or so percent to an
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  Speaker 13: incumbent that you can kind of get in a campaign
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  Speaker 13: if you perform well against as you point out in
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  Speaker 13: an experience, can he But that's the question if that's
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  Speaker 13: your best hope. You know, I'd be pretty worried if
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  Speaker 13: I was working in a government office right now that
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  Speaker 13: I might be out of a job, let's face it.
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  Speaker 13: So that's well, that's the you know, that's the keys
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  Speaker 13: to government question.
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  Speaker 2: He had a shaker in twenty twenty two, as we know,
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  Speaker 2: he had an absolute shocker. You're in the voice campaign,
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  Speaker 2: I think you know. You can see in the reported
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: stories of his colleagues saying, please help me here, don't
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: come anywhere near my electric prime minister. Usually they're gagging
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: for the prime minister, TOVI is it this time around
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  Speaker 2: they're saying keep away. You know, you're basically electoral poison.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's telling.
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  Speaker 13: But it's near, it's tight enough, that's the thing. So
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  Speaker 13: at the moment Dunton's got the upper hand. But it's
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  Speaker 13: rare to see a campaign being so critical to the outcome,
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  Speaker 13: and that's what we're seeing right now, we're about to
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  Speaker 13: see when we finally get this show on the road. Peter,
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  Speaker 13: what about this.
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  Speaker 2: Yarn today that you know somehow there's insider trading? When
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he was in opposition, I made the point, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you can't have insider trading unless you're an insider. He
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't the Finance shadow Finance Minister. He wasn't the Shadow
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Treasury wasn't the leader. That was Malcolm Turnbull. I know
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: at the time who got Treasury briefings. I think they
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: are pretty poor DAP briefings, if I'm really honest, because
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I know that Malcolm Turble thought they weren't worth the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: time he was giving them, and he was ringing his
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: mates to Gold and Sachson, New York to get information
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: on where things might go with the GFC. Well, Peter
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Dutton wasn't anywhere near that. He was over there as
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the shadow Health Minister sixteen years old. And this is
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: just reheading an old story, isn't it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: Where's the evidence, I guess would be what I would say.
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: You know, there's there's a look at this coincidence. But
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: Peter Dutton might have been reading newspapers and think there'd
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: be a bank bailout, you know what I mean. So
• 20:32
  Speaker 13: there's no you know, there's I think you said Joe
• 20:35
  Speaker 13: Hockey was briefed, and Joe Hockey and petered up in
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: the mates. But no one's suggesting Joe Hockey told Peter Duper,
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: I mean, he's not even in government, you know, Murray
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: what says he? Is it a coincidence? Well it could
• 20:46
  Speaker 13: be because he might just be a savvy financial operator
• 20:50
  Speaker 13: who says, well, they're going to bail out the banks,
• 20:52
  Speaker 13: it's a good time to invest, and then he declares it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 13: So yeah, there's not enough in it to make a
• 20:58
  Speaker 13: decent hit. What it does make me want because I
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: have seen this sort of phenomenon before, Peter, Is this
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: the first and they've got something bigger to try to
• 21:07
  Speaker 13: hit him with? Because this isn't going to make a
• 21:09
  Speaker 13: damn difference, And you'd hope for their sake that they
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: have something a little bit better to hit him with,
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: because this just doesn't get anywhere. I mean I didn't
• 21:18
  Speaker 13: even bother reporting on it today. Frankly, I just thought, well, whatever,
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: two thousand and nine, no evidence, But I think it
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: is a bit of a sign they're going to go
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: pretty personal in the next few weeks and let's see
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: what they come up with. And when you go that way,
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: it can backfire on you, of course, as you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: you want it to be a clean hit, otherwise it
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: could come back and hit you.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Peter, do you think it's going to be called this weekend? Andrew?
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: No, I do not, and I reported today the cabinet
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: meeting has been called for Monday, and I think that
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: it was an option to call it this weekend, but
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: I think they've had no lift in the polls from
• 21:57
  Speaker 13: the rate cut, so they've decided not. There's too many
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: reasons against it, such as the WA election. I don't
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: think the Prime Minister's made up his mind, but the
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: fact that a day or so ago they flagged to
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: ministers that there was to be a cabinet meeting next
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: Monday tells you were at least going till them, which
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: starts to push April five out of the picture. Maybe
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: the Sunday after Roger Cook, or if they get together
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: and look at the numbers and don't like them, maybe
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: you just go through the budget, believe it or not,
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: go to May and just hope something happens your way.
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: The feeling is that's not the case. But with no
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: decision yet made by the PM, who knows.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think it's was that they called a
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: cabinet meeting. They're usually scheduled, they're scheduled well in advance.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: This must be one that is out of cycle, you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: an unscheduled one that's putting.
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: Scheduled yesterday yesterday.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Why is that exactly? Why is that happening? Yeah, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that's that's interesting right, well on electron watch right now,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: aren't we? Thanks Andrew? All right. What's becoming a pundently
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: clear though, is Labour's trying to buy its way to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: victory at the election before we even get into the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: campaign proper, and all the sweetness get thrown around and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: all designed to win you over. It's worth noting Labor
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: has already made over one hundred and twenty billion dollars
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: worth of discretionary spending decisions over its three budgets to date,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and that's all based on an analysis today in the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Australian Financial Review. Now, just for perspective, this now puts
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the Albanesi government on par with the Go Whitlam government
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: as the prime minister who has presided over the biggest
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: spending increase as a share of the economy for a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: first term government. That's a Dubs honor indeed, and hence
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that's why he's now referred to as worse than Whitlam.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this in more. Former Treasury
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary David Pearl, David, thank you for your time.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get into elections spending in a moment, but just
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: on this discretionary spending, economists today are reported as alarmed.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Chris Richardson said this will have to be paid back
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: through bracket creep. So says former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: what do you think?
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on, Peter. I think they're right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: although I do think that the economists being in conniptions
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: about balancing the budget and missing the main point, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: that is that in order to reinvigorate growth in this
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: economy and dynamism in our society, we have to be
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: shrinking the size of government. There's a massive difference between
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: a balanced budget where taxes forty percent of GDP we're
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: effectively Belgium stagnant, declining, or balanced budget with a much
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: smaller government footprint. So yes, Chris rich always comes out
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: with his calls for the balanced budget. But I think
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: what Ken Henry, who have a great deal of respect
• 25:07
  Speaker 9: for though I disagree with him on climate change, what
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: Ken's driving at is we need to control spending and
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: we need to ease crushing personal income tax burdens.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Well, just on the cost of government. There's two things there,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: obviously what government spends and how many people government employers
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: in the cost of the institutions that we have, you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the quong gooes if I can call them that. Peter
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Dutton's made a commitment today about twenty four billion dollars
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: he reckons so he can cut out of the public service.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: He says, this will not be frontline services, you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like the border protection officers and the like. Do you
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: think there's that sort of fat in the budget?
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: There certainly is, because as Peter Dutton has said, the
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Albanesi government has hired thirty six thousand public in its
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: time of office, now replacing consultants. So Dutton would have
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: to be careful if he's going to get rid of
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: public servants, not to replace them with consultants. But I
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: think Dutton, if not before the election, then after the
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: election has to think about what functions the federal government has.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: National security, of course, a safety net in terms of welfare,
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: of course, But why does the Commonwealth government have a
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: Health and Education department that don't manage hospitals and schools.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: So I do think that if we're going to reduce
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: the size of government, if we're going to create fiscal
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: headroom for lower income tax burdens, we need to think
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: carefully about what functions the federal government has, and also
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: be a lot tougher on recruitment as well.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more that I don't run
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: a hospital, that don't run a school, and yet the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: size of those big departments just beyond belief. Just on
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the I guess inflationary risk of campaign spending. It's not
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: even been called yet, David. We've had about twenty billion
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: dollars already committed by the federal government, matched in many
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: cases by the opposition. What's that likely to do with
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: inflation if we assume getting into the campaign that drunken
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: sale is spending keeps going.
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: Well, it's a good point because, as you know and
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: your viewers know, I felt the Reserve Bank Board's decision
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: last week was a political one. It wasn't based on
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: economic analysis or what we're seeing with the labor market,
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: and it totally ignored the political economy we're seeing now,
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: which is the Albernezi government with the fire hydrants out
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: flooding the community with taxpayer dollars. Whenever Anthony Albernizi talks
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: about investment, there should be a subtitle saying this is
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: taxpayer dollars, either from your graphet creep or from the
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: taxes your kids are going to be paying in the future.
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: I do think it's disgraceful, the misuse of laying which
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: so yes Michelle Bullock should have kept in mind not
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: only the labor market which is actually strengthening, not weakening,
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: and the fact that inflation is still above target, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: this flood of election era spending.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: We'll watch it all closely. Thank you, David. I'll be
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: talking to you in the campaign, don't you worry. Thanks
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: for your time all right after break our reveal and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: just where Tony Burk's rolling out his citizenship blitz, because
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: there's lots of worry there in seats in New South Wales.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It's all very targeted. That's why we desperately need a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: probe into some of these lamic groups linked to extremist views.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the count the worrying environmental push from
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the Greens and the Tials already eyeing off the prospect
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of a hung Parliament. But first, more revelations today about
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just how far Tony Burke is willing to use government
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: citizenship events to harvest votes for Labour. The Daily telegraphs
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: on the lead work here on the seats that Burke
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: went after in his massive weekend citizenship ceremony at Sydney's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Olympic Park. There were some four and a half thousand
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: people granted the right at the event to call Australia home.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Of those in attendance, almost one thousand of them are
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: recorded as living in the Paramatta Local Government Area. Now,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: this Paramatta LGA takes in two of Labour's key marginals,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the seat of Paramatta held by Andrew Charlton on a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: thin margin of three point seven percent and the seat
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: of Reed held by Sally Sitchu. Now there's more here.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: The highest number of citizens also came from Liverpool, that
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: takes in the Labor elected of Werrowa that's held by
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Anne Stanley on a margin of five point three percent,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and of course Fowler, held by the Independent Diary, who
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: we showed here last night, is not impressed by the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: whole side gap. Joining me someone who's been pushing this
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: hard in centied estimate. It's Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Well said, ittor welcome. If you look at the breakdown
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of those seats and as I said, they're all marginal
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: or the key Labor target seats. This is absolutely ranked
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: politics of play. But how does it also not undermine
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: our faith in the whole process of citizenship?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Well, Peter, this is the most dangerous thing about this risk,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: reckless and desperate move that Tony Burke and the Albanese
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: government have entered into. They're obviously doing this for political reasons.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: It's clear from the way that the minister and MPs
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: have behaved around these events that they're politically motivated. But
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: what that risks is Australia's support for our migration system
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: and our citizenship system. If some Australians believe that the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Labor Party is using the migration system for political advantage
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to change political outcomes, what do you think they're going
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: to think about whether or not it's a good idea
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: to welcome people to Australia, whether it's a good idea
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: to facilitate people to come to be an Australian citizen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I think migration has been hugely benefit beneficial to our country.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I think we're stronger for it. But if it's politicized
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: like this, then don't expect Australians to stand by it
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: much longer.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And of course you've got about two years once you're
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: an Australian citizen to get on the electoral role. But
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: from November last year Labours forced AC officials, so Electoral
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Commission officials to be down the back of the room
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: with it. You know, were tables set up waving around
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the forms to sign people up and basically grabbing them
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: as they're walking out.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: The door, exactly Peter.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: And they even put a huge QR code on a
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: fifteen foot slide in front of hundreds of people to
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: encourage them to sign up then and there to be
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: on the electoral role. It's very clear what Labour's motivation
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: was in these marginal seats which they're struggling to defend.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: They want to get as many new citizens on the
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: elector role as possible because they perceive that will be
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: in their political interest. Now we'll find out in time
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: whether or not they're right about that. I think they
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: hope that there'll be some after glow or gratitude from
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: these new Australian citizens in voting for their labor members.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: But they'll also have the opportunity to meet their labor
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: MP in a way that they have not been provided
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: or indeed their labor candidate have not been provided for
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a coalition candidate or an independent MP. And it's very revealing.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: But Anne Stanley in that marginal set of wherewer that
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Jerome luck Sale, and that marginal set of Bentelong, that
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Andrew Charlman, and that marginal set of paramatter, they were
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: all there. They were all on hand invited by Tony
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Burke to meet those new citizens, not to mention to Lee,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: not even a member of Parliament, just the labor candidate
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: for Fowler.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And Dilea. Now where to be saying, hey, let's go
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: to the whole n zed Yq mess. It hasn't gone away.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And we learned today about an Iraqi man convicted over
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: aggravated aggravated kidnapping. Or to underscore that he's fighting deportation
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to Niru. Have you had a briefing here? Do we
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: know what's likely to happen in the court?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We explored this INCENTED Estimates last night and the Department
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: said they were confident about their legal position, but they
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: have said that before and they have been wrong before,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and they're hopeful that he will be able to be
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: continued to be detained while this legal matter is resolved.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: But it's possible that the court will grant an injunction
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and allow him to be freed into the community, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: if he does so, he will join two hundred and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: ninety one other violent non citizen offenders in the community
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: who are not being controlled and not being restricted in
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: any meaningful way because the government has not, on one
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: occasion used the emergency powers passed by the Parliament in
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: December twenty twenty three to preventatively detain any of these people.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: In fact, we learn in CTED estimates they spent more
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: than eighteen million dollars on lawyers looking into this, but
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: not one application is even ready to be filed for
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: preventive attention.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You've just answered my next question. I was going to say, look,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: you know we we've passed those powers through the Parliament
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: eighteen months ago. Have they ever been used and they
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: clearly haven't. They haven't even gone an application ready to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: go in. And you're saying how much eighteen million dollars
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: it cost to eighteen million.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Dollars, that's right, Peter. And not only that. In May
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: last year, Andrew Giles, the then Immigration Minister, said that
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: six cases were at an advanced stage and were almost
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: ready for applications. And in November last year the Department
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: told me there was at least one case that was
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: almost ready to be pursued and they expected it will
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: be filed in the coming weeks. But Tony Burke admitted
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago that effectively there are no
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: cases that are ready and he basically waved the white
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: flag and said it's too hard. The bar is too high.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: We're not going to be able to preventively detain any
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: of these people. I think that's a shocking abrogation of
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: his responsibility to the people of Australia to protect them.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And if the bar is too high, well, then why
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: hasn't the government sought to amend the law to lower
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the bar, to make it easier to lock these people
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: up and protect Australia.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: One percent Jameson. Just in relation to the whole issue
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: with the Bankstown nurses who claim to have killed willing
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: to kill as well ISRAE patients. The Men's government has
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: blocked Liberal attempts in the New South Wales Parliament to
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: do an investigation into all of those groups who came
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: out and basically supported them, even after what they said
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: came to light. I know this is a state level,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: but that's federal funding involved in some of these organizations.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: If you are the minister after the election, are you
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: prepared to order the funding into some of these Islamic groups,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: particularly those linked to extremist views.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, Peter, I won't hesitate, and one of the first
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: pieces of advice I'll ask from the department is do
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I have the power and is it possible to rescind
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: any of the grants that have already gone to these
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: organizations that have been exposed for being promoting extremism, for
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: glorifying terrorism and engaging in anti Semitism. I fear though,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: by the time that I get there, that all the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: money will be out, It'll be shoved out the door.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: By Tony Burke and his assistant Minister, Julian Hill, who
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: are desperate to fund these organizations because they are politically
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: influential in their electorates, regardless of whatever conduct we've exposed
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: them being involved in, including most recently this week a
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: director of one of these organizations that received more than
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: a million dollars of taxpayers money for social cohesion who
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: praised Yaya Sinwa, the deceased former hamas terrorist.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: This madness, absolute madness, James Patterson, thank you all right
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: after break, the prospect of a Green Teal controlled Parliament
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and poor old patsy prime ministers they're sitting there doing
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: their dictation. The look of that canceling one of Australia's
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: major gas projects. Also to the NT Chief Minister defending
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: her decision not to do an acknowledgment of country. Good
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: on her more on that shortly welcome back to the
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: count The NT Chief Minister under fire from local Aboriginal
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: leaders as she rejects the excessive use of acknowledgments of country.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I suspect she's earned herself a lot of support with
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that move, even if the elders aren't happy. The first
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and the taste of how a hung Parliament could sell
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: out Australia's national interest. The Greens and their well heeled
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: bedfellows the Teals are looking to pressure Labor to cancel
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the extension of Woodside's massive Northwest Shelf gas project. The
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: plan to extend the life of the project twenty seventy
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is strongly opposed by wat or k Cheney. She holds
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the seat of Curtain that's in Perth's western suburbs by
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: a wayfer thin one point three percent. Opponents are worried
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: that the project will have an impact on the region's
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: rock art. Others say there's no risk at all to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: the art and that instead the real risk is the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: economic risks to Australia if the project's killed off. Now
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: already listen to these numbers. The project has generated some
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: forty billion dollars in royalties and excise to the federal government,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: so that's to our budget over the past four decades,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: as well as another eighteen billion dollars for the state
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: of was In terms of jobs, about three thousand people
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: are directly employed in the project. So what are the
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: experts think? Joined me now to discuss these gas set
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Energy analyst Saul Kavonic well so k Cheney says that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: it's up to Tanya plevsect now to knock back the
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  Speaker 2: extension of this project, even though it is backed by
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  Speaker 2: the WA Premier Labor's Roger Cook. Now, how serious would
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  Speaker 2: it be if this was rejected.
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  Speaker 6: It's very serious, Peter.
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  Speaker 1: And further to the contributions that you highlighted, it's worth
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  Speaker 1: mentioning that this project has supplied half obviously Western Australia's
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  Speaker 1: domestic gas supply, nearly the majority of which goes into
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  Speaker 1: areas like manufacturing, mining, fertilizers. So the implication is not
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  Speaker 1: just for three thousand direct jobs, but tens of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of regional jobs all across the coast of Western Australia,
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  Speaker 1: and it flows onto other ass back not just energy
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  Speaker 1: prices but fertilizer prices for farmers, etc. So it actually
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  Speaker 1: presents an existential issue for a lot of West Australia's
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  Speaker 1: energy security, but also it's manufacturing base and economy in
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  Speaker 1: the regions.
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  Speaker 2: The PM was asked about it today, Saul, and this
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  Speaker 2: is what he had to say.
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  Speaker 8: That could be demand of k chain and in a
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  Speaker 8: minority government, what are you going.
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  Speaker 2: To do there?
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  Speaker 5: Well, these masters before the Environment Minister. The Environment Minister
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  Speaker 5: responds and accordance with the law.
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  Speaker 2: Now I know it's a smaller scale issue that the
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: salmon industry in Tasmania also got an issue sitting on
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  Speaker 2: her desk. She's had the report there for a couple
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of years, hasn't yet made a decision. What the heck's
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the government doing. They're about to hit caretaker mode. They
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: can make these decisions, they can get them out there
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  Speaker 2: and publicly known. Surely the industry deserves some certainty.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be absolutely clear. This has got nothing to do
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: with making a decision according to the law. This is
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: another example of the federal labor government abusing the sacred
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  Speaker 1: indigenous connection to country for their own extreme environmental agenda.
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  Speaker 1: So this project we're talking about here has not even
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a new project. It's just extending a project which has
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: already been around for forty years. The approvals are already
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: six years late. We've already seen this example of Plimosec
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  Speaker 1: with the gold Wine in New South Wales using a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: completely ulterior indigenous reason against the wishes of the local
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: indigenous group to councel a project, and they've been funding
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: activist groups to stop projects all across the country. And
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: this is part of the Albanese's government's steal and destroy
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: approach to Western Australia, where every single action taken by
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Canberra under the Labor government has hurt Western Australia's disproportionately
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in order to benefit folks on the East Coast and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: in order to pander to green fringe in inner city
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  Speaker 1: electrics on the East Coast, whether that's about high taxes
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  Speaker 1: on only WA projects to subsidize the East Coast, funding
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  Speaker 1: activists to disproportionately hurt WA projects, implementing safeguard to disproportionally
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  Speaker 1: hit WA, and the EPBC actor which will disproportionately hit WA.
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  Speaker 1: Everything they've done in energy has hurt Western Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just underscore the point because I was in
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  Speaker 2: WA not so long ago. There was a rumor that
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: this was about expanding the project, but it's just extending
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  Speaker 2: the current lease. So it's an extension of time. It's
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: not a change of the sort of the perimeter or
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the scale of the operation. Let's make that clear. Hey,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Germany is very interesting at the moment. They've obviously had
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: an election. The new head of the Christian Democrats could well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: be the chancellor. I know he's pulling together a bit
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of a coalition, but he has consistently supported nuclear power.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk internationally that he's going to
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: roll back Germany's opposition to nuclear power. What do you think, Well.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Germany is an example where, particularly in twenty twenty two,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the Energy Minister was in a Green's minority government, something
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Australia potentially faces now where they've decided that they would
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: rather burn more coal than change their attack and reverse
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: course on their opposition to nuclear As a results, Germany
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: have just burned a whole lot more coal. The scary
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: thing about this is in places like Germany, as the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Green vote has grown and the Green Party has become
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: more powerful and more influential, it has moved more to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: the center, become more pragmatic and at least compromise on
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: some things. Australia is quite unique in that our Green Party,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: as it's gon more influential, has become even more rigid
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and ideological to the extreme. And that's why all these
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: things I've just talked about, hit Wa economy and so
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: on is going to be even more direpolical under a
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Green's minority government.
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  Speaker 2: You're not wrong there. That's a very shrewd point about Germany,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: because that's actually the fact. Thanks Saul, after the break
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: pushback against acknowledgments of country. Please tell me that's a
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: sign of good things to come. Plus, Fatima Payman under
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: fire for praising the Iranian regimes treatment of women. You
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: heard that right, their treatment of women. Welcome back. Let's
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: bring in my panel now point Hansen's One Nation chief
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: of Staff James Ashby, Deputy director at the IPA, Daniel Wilde.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome to you both, Jens. Let's start with the Independent
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: senator Fatima Payman coming under fire for claiming Iran, Iran,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I'll say it again, is an incredible place she said
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: for women during an event in Sydney over the weekend.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: The new South Wales Labor Minister for Women will She
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: delivered a speech at the event was organized by the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Benevolent Iranians Women's Association, but she sense apologized for having
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: anything to do with it in light of the WA
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: senator's comments. Now, Dan, it wasn't that long ago that
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: a woman lost her life in Iran after she removed
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: her a headscarf in definance against the religious police and
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: here we've got an elected MP lauding Iran.
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  Speaker 14: Well exactly. It's bizarre and revealing. And as you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 14: politics is downstream of culture, and when you have big
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: changes to your culture, as we've undergone over the last
• 44:21
  Speaker 14: couple of decades, that then changes the political incentives for
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: how politicians respond to this, and how they respond then
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: reinforces the changes to our culture. And that's exactly what
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: we're seeing, whether it's with senator payment or whether it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: with the Labor Party rushing through citizenship for grounds that
• 44:41
  Speaker 14: appear to be purely political, whether it's to do with
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: how multiculturalism has become divisive, or the voice to Parliament
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: and Australia Day and many other cultural matters. We've seen
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: massive shifts to our way of life and to many
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: in our community who do not share mainstream astro In values.
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: And we've had a lack of leadership in the political
• 45:03
  Speaker 14: realm but also in many areas of civil society because
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: we've willingly seen our majority culture diluted and now that's
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: filtering up into the political system. And as you've been saying,
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: and I've been saying, and James has been saying now
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: for many many years, We need our political leaders not
• 45:20
  Speaker 14: just to address the symptoms of this and put a
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: band aid on it, but to deal with the fundamental
• 45:26
  Speaker 14: causes of the Balkanization of our society, which is this
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: failed mass migration program.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the NT Minister Leo Findichiaro. Over the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: weekend there was a bombing of Dahwin commemoration. There were
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a number of speakers. She was the last of a
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: litany of speakers. There was a welcome to country from
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the lar key of people at the start James Ashby,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: and then there were all of these acknowledgments of country.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: She decided not to do one. No, she welcomed all
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the veterans and the other people there in the crowd,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: left off the acknowledgment of country. I would do that too.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I've never done one. I wouldn't do one on principle.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I felt that there's been She obviously felt that there
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: had been enough said by the time she got up
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  Speaker 2: to speak. Well, she's been called disgraceful by elders in Darwin.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Here she was in Abacy Radio today defending her decision.
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: We had a welcome to country by James Parfitt, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: I just don't think every speaker needs to do it.
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  Speaker 15: The feedback I get from the community on acknowledgments of
• 46:31
  Speaker 15: country is that territories and this is literally their words, Laura.
• 46:34
  Speaker 15: They feel like it's been rammed down their throat, under labored.
• 46:39
  Speaker 16: James, what do you think, Oh, I feel like our
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: job is done. Congratulations to her, like this is real leadership.
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: This is somebody who is reading the room, who understands
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: what the voters do and don't want congratulations to her.
• 46:53
  Speaker 16: She's not disgraceful, She's somebody who's in contact with her people.
• 46:58
  Speaker 16: I say well done to our wish there were more
• 47:00
  Speaker 16: leaders across the country that were in the same position
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: as her to be able to stand up and finally
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: say no. Pauline Hansen made a true strong stance on
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: the floor of Parliament when they introduced the voice to
• 47:14
  Speaker 16: the Welcome to country in our parliament. Every morning she
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: turns it back on it and I welcome anyone to
• 47:18
  Speaker 16: do that sort of thing. I'm tired of it, whether
• 47:20
  Speaker 16: it be on an aircraft, at a football stadium or
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: at some government function.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: We don't need to hear this over and over. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: wish at the start of every.
• 47:29
  Speaker 16: Electoral cycle, whether it be local council, federal government or
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: state government. They give one welcome to country and it's
• 47:34
  Speaker 16: done for the entire term of parliament. The sooner we
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: get on with our lives and stop with the decisive
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: or divisive nature that welcome to country is better will
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: be as a country.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It's interesting, Dan, the Prime Minister, started out promising a
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: whole lot of things. Would he got into offers, but
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: one of them was that Parliament would be different, there'd
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: be more integrity, they all get back to business and
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you know, on and on it goes. But in the
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Australian newspaper today they reported that he hasn't performed as
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: he promised. They've passed less legislation through the Parliament under
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Albanezi than under the Morrison government. They've had fewer sitting
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: days than the pandemic plagued forty sixth Parliament. And they've
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: sharply reduced the number of allocated questions to the opposition
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: during question time, so far less scrutiny. This is a joke.
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, And the key word you'd use there was with scrutiny.
• 48:31
  Speaker 14: I've got to say I don't mind the fact that
• 48:32
  Speaker 14: there's fewer bills being passed. I'd be happy if that
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: was much much lower than that. You know, Julia Gillard
• 48:37
  Speaker 14: always used to judge her government on how many bills
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: they passed, and you know, I thought that was a
• 48:41
  Speaker 14: bad thing.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: But certainly scrutiny. This hasn't been.
• 48:43
  Speaker 14: Government that's been running away from scrutiny since day one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: It's rules for the and not for me. They're hypocritical
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: when it comes to this.
• 48:51
  Speaker 14: They always blame the Liberals for this, that and the other.
• 48:54
  Speaker 14: And they promised integrity, they promised they're going to shine
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: a light on everything, but of course it's the exact opposite,
• 48:58
  Speaker 14: and we saw this with the Voice Parliament Peter Anthony
• 49:01
  Speaker 14: Alberneezi refused to give any details to the Australian people
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: because they didn't want to be scrutinized.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: They didn't want to have a debate about it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 14: It's no wonder they have fewer sitting days and they've
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: got less transparency in Parliament because that's how this government
• 49:14
  Speaker 14: has operated. It's been a government for sectional interests and
• 49:17
  Speaker 14: they've delivered for the sectional interest in our community, but
• 49:20
  Speaker 14: they have not delivered for mainstream Australians. And that's how
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: they're going to be judged on voting day.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just quickly, James, I'll get your comment on that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: But also we find that through cet an estimates. Not
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: only that, but the head of Parliament, sorry, the deputy
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Head of Parliamentary Services, had a fifty seven thousand dollars desk.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: She didn't last the job long she left. That's all
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: now in story. I mean, what an extraordinary waste of money.
• 49:45
  Speaker 16: Well, you just have to have a look at the
• 49:47
  Speaker 16: fit out of any new politician they get to choose
• 49:49
  Speaker 16: their office and the cost of the taxpayer of setting
• 49:52
  Speaker 16: that up.
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: It's the cost of a brand new house.
• 49:54
  Speaker 16: It's around five six hundred thousand dollars now to fit
• 49:57
  Speaker 16: out on office. And is it any wonder when we're
• 49:59
  Speaker 16: spending twenty thousand dollars on desks.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: It's outrageous.
• 50:02
  Speaker 16: They have no care for the Australian dollar, the taxpayer
• 50:05
  Speaker 16: and they should be punished at this election.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me make it clear. The desk was twenty
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars, but the fit out of the office with
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the desk and bookshelves and everything fifty seven thousand dollars.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Goodness me right, I'll leave it there. Jents, Thank you
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: for your time. That's it for BC Tomorrow night, here's
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Andrew