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Almost Famous: In Depth - Shawn Booth · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Ben and Ashley I almost Famous in Depth?
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  Speaker 1: Is that me talking? That's oh, it's neither of us.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds just like here's our professional voice. We uh
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  Speaker 1: if for anybody out there listening. This is the second
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  Speaker 1: episode in Depth with Ashley, I can anie myself. We
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  Speaker 1: have a very special guest. We've been promising you, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the last month. Sean Booth is in studio
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  Speaker 1: with us right now. Sean, thanks for joining us, Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for having me. It's good to be back. And just
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  Speaker 1: a reminder in Depth in Sean, I'll tell you this
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  Speaker 1: as well. In Depth was something that we created with
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  Speaker 1: my heart because Ashley and I realized almost famous is
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  Speaker 1: is incredible? Right. We we we get to break down the episodes,
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  Speaker 1: we get to talk about what's happening in Bachelor Nation.
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  Speaker 1: But oftentimes these Bachelor contestants kind of come and go
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  Speaker 1: and we don't ever get to know them, Like we
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  Speaker 1: actually never get to know them. It just happens and
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  Speaker 1: they're gone and we're on the next season. In Depth
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  Speaker 1: is meant to pull back some of Bachelor Nation's favorites
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  Speaker 1: and studio and just say, you know what's up now?
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  Speaker 1: Who were you before the show? How did the show
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  Speaker 1: affect you? And then what is life looking like? You
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  Speaker 1: know now as as we look forward, you're obviously somebody
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  Speaker 1: that everybody's very excited to talk about UM and have
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  Speaker 1: been talking about because unfortunately a situation in your life
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  Speaker 1: that has been I would say not ideal. H. So
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  Speaker 1: you're the perfect person to bring into studio. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, ash and I, well, this is something and Sean,
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  Speaker 1: I know we got to talk about it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit before. Uh. There is no desire in your heart
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  Speaker 1: and for anybody there listening to bash Caitlin and and
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  Speaker 1: it's not our desire to bash Caitly. This is not
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  Speaker 1: a bash Caitlin podcast. This is a let's get to
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  Speaker 1: know Sean podcast. Uh. And so anybody out there listening
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  Speaker 1: this whole episode is going to be just allowing Sean
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  Speaker 1: the place to speak truth, to speak from his heart.
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  Speaker 1: And and Ashley and I just want to listen. Perfect,
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  Speaker 1: let's do it. I want to do a lot more listening.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit awkward if I can
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  Speaker 1: be honest right now, And like I'm friends with Caitlin
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  Speaker 1: on a couple of times, and you're so wonderful and
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  Speaker 1: all the time that I've met you. But that's uh,
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  Speaker 1: the awkward thing about breakups in general. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: have all these friends, right, and then as soon as
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  Speaker 1: you break up, it's like, well, you kind of lose
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  Speaker 1: friends too because people kind of choose sides. I guess
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  Speaker 1: which is. Um, I don't know if unfair is the word,
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  Speaker 1: but I can understand it. But you you'll start noticing
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  Speaker 1: that people don't talk to you anymore. It's, uh, that's
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  Speaker 1: just one of the tough things about breaking up. So
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  Speaker 1: and I know you guys are close. So, like Ben
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  Speaker 1: was saying, we're not trying to make this abashed Caitlin things,
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  Speaker 1: just talking. Yeah, yeah, let's just talk about Sean. Let's
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  Speaker 1: make it lighthearted fun for now, and then we can
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  Speaker 1: ease into the right and it is and and just
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  Speaker 1: to libraty, this is a weird situation. I mean right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's crazy for you actually to
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  Speaker 1: say I feel awkward, I feel awkward. I think we
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  Speaker 1: feel awkward dancing, you know. Around my breakup for seven months,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of felt like it was always like being
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  Speaker 1: brought up or emails are being brought in. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your breakup obviously you know. We we danced around that
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  Speaker 1: for a while after Winter Games. Do you have to
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  Speaker 1: say about that? What part of the Bachelor has not
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  Speaker 1: been awkward since gone on that show? I think there
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  Speaker 1: have been many, many awkward situations since day one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so feeling awkward this is what we expect, just so
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  Speaker 1: used to it now it really doesn't face me. I
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  Speaker 1: can like actually say to somebody's face, so I feel awkward, righting? Yeah? Um, actually,
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  Speaker 1: I have a job for you to do. You did
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  Speaker 1: it great last time, the fans love it. As we're
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  Speaker 1: talking today, I need you We're gonna end this episode
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  Speaker 1: with a rapid fire question on for Sean again. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I need you to start forming those as we're
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  Speaker 1: going here. Okay, So if you hear her writing and
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  Speaker 1: and plugging away, it's because she's got a job to do.
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  Speaker 1: And uh as as Ashley's researching and writing Sean. We
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  Speaker 1: met on night one, and I think that's always a
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  Speaker 1: really fun story for me to tell. And then let's
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  Speaker 1: I would love for you to remind all of our
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  Speaker 1: listeners how we met and then what that first night
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  Speaker 1: entering into this whole new world felt like to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that's um one of the cool experiences about going
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  Speaker 1: on that show as you formed these lifelong friendships, and um,
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  Speaker 1: I think just going through his breakup, I try to
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  Speaker 1: look at some of the pros that have come out
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  Speaker 1: of it, and I think, me and You've been able
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  Speaker 1: to talk more and connect more, which I look at
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  Speaker 1: that as a as a good thing. Um. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we met night one. We were in the same limo.
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  Speaker 1: It was me, you Ryan McDill. I do know that,
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  Speaker 1: um Ian Josh alberts Ian, he was a pleasure that
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  Speaker 1: he's come and go fast, right it was five people,
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  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah. Yeah, So we met and we kind
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  Speaker 1: of connected right off the bat since night one, and
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  Speaker 1: then we were roommates all the way up until I
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  Speaker 1: think eighth ninth week of the show and we had
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  Speaker 1: to split up into our final three. Um, but we
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  Speaker 1: were very supportive of one another, which is also another
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  Speaker 1: thing that people find tough to believe in your dating somebody,
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  Speaker 1: but then you have to rely on your friends in
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  Speaker 1: the house to kind of help you get through a thing.
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  Speaker 1: So me and Ben were always really close, um since
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  Speaker 1: night one. It was you know, actually brings it up
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  Speaker 1: now and then because I actually found love from Caitlin's season. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but Jared can I can I say an interesting statistic?
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  Speaker 1: Right now? Caitlin's entire top four have been engaged through
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  Speaker 1: the show, and Jared is the only one that's remained. Sorry, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that is actually kind of interesting. It is interesting, right, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I have another interesting stat Did I say it on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast the other day? Yeah? I did. Um, there
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  Speaker 1: are more Bachelor's married to the runner up than there
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  Speaker 1: are their first pick. So it was Sean, Nick, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: and Jared they were the top four. Tanner is also
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  Speaker 1: on that season, but he wasn't the top four, but
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  Speaker 1: he's engaged in So you're saying, real quick, this isn't
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  Speaker 1: where I want to go too far deep into but
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  Speaker 1: I forgot that awkward step. No, it's it's actually very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: You're saying, there's more bachelor it's married to the runner
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  Speaker 1: up bachelor. So it would be um, Jason Mesnick and
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  Speaker 1: Ari both ended up marrying their runner up, wow boy.
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  Speaker 1: And then Sean is the Shan Lowe is the only
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  Speaker 1: one married to kind of weird. Um. Yeah, so we
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  Speaker 1: meet on night one and actually, I think you'll you'll
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  Speaker 1: know this about me, right. I felt really comforted by
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  Speaker 1: being friends with Sean because you look around the room
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  Speaker 1: like Sean's the cool guy in the room right, like
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  Speaker 1: he stood out. And so the fact that Sean and
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  Speaker 1: I were friends, I remember going, I'll be okay because
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  Speaker 1: somehow the coolest guy in the room like me. Does
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  Speaker 1: that make sense? I will say, Sean definitely puts out
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  Speaker 1: those vibes. Yeah, thank you, guys. Um. I remember night
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  Speaker 1: one as Ben being very shy and he was nervous
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  Speaker 1: the whole night about his entrance. They sat down on
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  Speaker 1: the couch and all night he was kind of kicking himself,
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  Speaker 1: saying that he thought he'd messed up, but you do.
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  Speaker 1: I did mess up. I think everbody would say. I
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  Speaker 1: literally got ended up doing all right here. So I
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  Speaker 1: gotta limo. And I was like, because it was back
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  Speaker 1: when there's two bachelorrettes. And I went to to Britta
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I hear you like to help kids.
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  Speaker 1: I like to help kids too, no context, no context giving.
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  Speaker 1: I walked over the kids, you like, we should get married.
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  Speaker 1: I walked over to Caitlin and I couldn't get my
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  Speaker 1: words out, like I like literally froze, like I couldn't speak,
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  Speaker 1: and I just said, it's nice to meet. You'll see
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  Speaker 1: inside And I just walked inside and I went inside
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  Speaker 1: and I sat on the couch, was like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: like this could not have gone worse. One girl thinks
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  Speaker 1: I'm creepy. The other girl like hasn't heard me talk yet?
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  Speaker 1: Did you know who you're going to go vote for?
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  Speaker 1: Going into that season? I didn't know we were voting.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we knew that there would be a
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  Speaker 1: vote off. I thought they would both be the Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: at up until the moment they said, Hey, yeah, which
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  Speaker 1: one were you more interested in going into the show.
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  Speaker 1: I think Britta and I had more in common, but
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  Speaker 1: I think Caitlin definitely had the bigger personality. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: so that's why we did that. But it's true, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, Sean just has this chrisma about him. The
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  Speaker 1: guys know it. Jared has mentioned it. Jared definitely has
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  Speaker 1: like a he's unintimidated by you, but he does think
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  Speaker 1: of you very highly in the same way, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he's the cool one. You were definitely the one that
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  Speaker 1: he always was like, Nope, that guy's way better than me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not true, and I think very highly so
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  Speaker 1: and I do miss that guy. And miss all you guys,
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  Speaker 1: So you know that is a good place and to
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  Speaker 1: kind of look back because we want to get to
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  Speaker 1: know you a little bit. So you walk on the
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  Speaker 1: show as the cool guy, people perceive that you might
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  Speaker 1: not feel that about yourself, but that's what people perceived
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  Speaker 1: you guys. What was your life like before the show?
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  Speaker 1: What were you doing? What led up to that moment
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  Speaker 1: that you said, I'm gonna go on this show and
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  Speaker 1: then I want you within this show Because I do
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  Speaker 1: remember this as I was prepping for this to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the story of your tooth leading up to the
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  Speaker 1: first night. What I forget he chipped it? I did
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  Speaker 1: chip it? Yes, all right? Um yeah, So leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the show, I was living in Nashville, Tennessee, and
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  Speaker 1: I kind of made this big move in my life
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  Speaker 1: about three years prior to the show. Um, I've always
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  Speaker 1: been a small town guy. Grew up in Connecticut, went
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  Speaker 1: to school up in New Hampshire, and then started uh
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  Speaker 1: working insurance out of college. And I've always been in
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  Speaker 1: the athletics and played sports my whole life and played
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  Speaker 1: soccer in college and I really got into fitness, so
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  Speaker 1: I was doing that on the side. Um, I moved
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  Speaker 1: around from Wisconsin to Michigan back to Connecticut, and then
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  Speaker 1: I was just at this point in my life where
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  Speaker 1: I really just wanted more. I wanted to make a change. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of see what was out there.
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  Speaker 1: So I went on a guy's weekend to Nashville, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: and I got back on the plane and I told
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  Speaker 1: my buddies that I was going to sell my house
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  Speaker 1: once I got back to Connecticut and moved down there.
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  Speaker 1: So I did that. I moved down there by myself
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  Speaker 1: and then UM was there for a year two UM,
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  Speaker 1: and then one thing let another ended up at the
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Mansion. How did you apply for the show? So
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  Speaker 1: I UM was introduced to a couple of buddies UH
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  Speaker 1: down in Nashville, and we had went out to a
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  Speaker 1: honky tonk and UH on Broadway and they were doing
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  Speaker 1: casting for The Bachelor. And a buddy of mine, he
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  Speaker 1: was on the show with Andy for one episode, so
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to go say hi to UH, the the
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  Speaker 1: producer there. And once they found out that The Bachelor
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  Speaker 1: was casting, and we're like, oh, this is cool. This
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  Speaker 1: bar is filled with a lot of women. UM, it's
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  Speaker 1: like a Tuesday night, and um, we drank and then
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  Speaker 1: I met with one of the recruiting ladies. I didn't interview.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted me to do the interview there. Um, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'll pass on that. It was like midnight,
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  Speaker 1: and I wasn't quite sure about that. And then months
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  Speaker 1: down the road she ended up getting my information for
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  Speaker 1: my buddy and then she said she's coming to Nashville.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to meet with me in a hotel and
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  Speaker 1: and obviously they're saying, hey, we hit the jackpot with Sean.
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  Speaker 1: So Sean, you've been told now at this point in
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  Speaker 1: the story that you're going on the show. Uh, you're
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  Speaker 1: leading up to the show, you choose to still go
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  Speaker 1: out and drink on a night you tip back a
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  Speaker 1: beer and chip your tooth. But three days before leaving
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  Speaker 1: for the show, Yeah, it was something real close to
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  Speaker 1: the show. Um had a beer up to my mouth,
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  Speaker 1: glass bottle, probably Michaelo Bultra, and UH got hit by
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  Speaker 1: this girl and chipped my tooth. And I went to
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  Speaker 1: the dentist and they said it was gonna take about
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  Speaker 1: a week or so to get a fixed and I
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  Speaker 1: said that's not uh, And then I, well, it's just
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  Speaker 1: gonna take a few days. We can't fix this. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you don't understand. And I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to tell a lot of people, and I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going on the show. And then I finally told
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  Speaker 1: him like, hey, listen, I've got a really big event
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  Speaker 1: coming up. Uh kind of it's gonna be on TV.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are don't see it,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, what can you do to help me out?
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  Speaker 1: So they are like, oh, we gotta get this guy
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  Speaker 1: a new tooth. Good and so, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about all the time, but obviously that first
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  Speaker 1: night you kind of look around, you know, whose lives
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be changed from the show. I think most
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  Speaker 1: of us looked around at Sean and said, that's a
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  Speaker 1: guy whose life is no matter what, gonna be changed.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I thought the same thing about Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: Was Caitlin and Britt Actually, those are the two girls
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  Speaker 1: that are like they're going far? Why was that what
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  Speaker 1: stood out to you about them? Caitlin, it was because
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't afraid to say anything, and I did think
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  Speaker 1: she was so pretty. And then with Britt, she was
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  Speaker 1: just that feminine beauty. Yeah, you know, Sean, it does
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  Speaker 1: feel weird. And I don't at any point if you
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  Speaker 1: were like pulling back and I don't want to even
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. It's fine, Um, but it does feel
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  Speaker 1: weird to talk about Caitlin right now. But we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into you know, what's happened and and and
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  Speaker 1: allow you to tell you're just where you're at today
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  Speaker 1: here in a second, but going in a night one. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I remember sitting that limo and you were confident that
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  Speaker 1: she was something special, right. I remember you looking at
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  Speaker 1: me and saying, that girl's got something that I desire.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, what about that snapchat? Like were you watching
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  Speaker 1: our season, the Crystal season for the one that you'd
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  Speaker 1: want to be the bachelorette? And then you said I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming for you Caitlin with the heart on Snapchat? And
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  Speaker 1: that's like Infamous? Now all the guys that are up
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  Speaker 1: for the next season do that? Did you feel something
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  Speaker 1: through the TV? Even? Yeah? I did? Um, I was
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  Speaker 1: it was Sean takes a second here, I remember, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember that what was our very
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  Speaker 1: first episode of Almost Famous was the week that Lauren
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  Speaker 1: I broke up. You remember that and how brutal that was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we did the very first episode
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  Speaker 1: of this show the week that we broke up, put
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  Speaker 1: on a serious facade, and it was it was really hard.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say with all that, um, there is
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  Speaker 1: this level. I don't know, man, your your life here
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  Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks has been very public
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  Speaker 1: on something this I would imagine I want to be
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  Speaker 1: one of the artist things you ever been through and um,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels weird just kind of sitting back watching it, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I've kind of just tried
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  Speaker 1: to ignore it. I guess going through a breakup is
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  Speaker 1: pretty difficult to begin with, and then um, throwing it
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  Speaker 1: out there in front of everybody to see makes it
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  Speaker 1: that much harder. But that's kind of what we signed
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  Speaker 1: up for. You've been through it. You've been through it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so just trying to figure it all out and uh,
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  Speaker 1: sit with my emotions and figure out what I'm feeling.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think the old Seawan would have
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  Speaker 1: just kind of ignored everything and been like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ignore this and I'm all right, Um,
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  Speaker 1: but now I think I get a little bit older,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, figure out what hurts, why
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  Speaker 1: it hurts, and kind of work through it. So the
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  Speaker 1: past few months, I've been working hard at it and
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  Speaker 1: just looking at it from all different angles. Um So
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  Speaker 1: it's yeah, stuff, What are some of the questions that
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  Speaker 1: kind of come into your mind? Then as you are
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  Speaker 1: processing this, um, like, what are some of the stuff
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  Speaker 1: you started to ask yourself? Um? Well, I think that
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  Speaker 1: the hardest part about going through a breakup is, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not only did I um, all right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can take a break, Sean. Before we took a break,
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  Speaker 1: I asked you, you know, what are some of these
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  Speaker 1: questions that you've been asking yourself. You mentioned that you
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  Speaker 1: ask yourself these questions. Is you know the breakups now
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  Speaker 1: happen and you kind of look back on these last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, what are some of those questions? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I think just going through the normal human emotions with
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  Speaker 1: any breakup and um looking at it from all different angles.
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  Speaker 1: You know. First, obviously you know there's the heartbreak and pain,
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  Speaker 1: and which I think is normal to anybody going through
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  Speaker 1: a breakup. Um. So I'm just trying to I guess
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  Speaker 1: figure out um Um, I guess not why, but trying
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  Speaker 1: to understand things right now. But I guess this goes
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  Speaker 1: with her new relationship to just kind of makes me
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: question everything that we've had. So I think that's one
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: of the major questions that runs through my mind, just
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: trying to understand that, which I think is tough to understand.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: But so I asked myself those questions. And but then
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: there's a part of me that is, you know, I
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: do care about her, So I am happy that she
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to really I guess deal with, um maybe
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: all the pain and the and the heartbreak, because it
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: seems like she's moved on and she's happy. So that
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: does kind of make me a little more comfortable, knowing
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: that that you're not at home at our empty house. UM.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: So I look at it from that point of view,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And then I also think that at it's helping me
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: to move on, um, because it does hurt that much.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: But seeing everything it does, you know, upset me and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: it does make me a little angry. UM, But it
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: also helps me to move on knowing that, um, maybe
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we weren't right for each other, and UM, I will
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: find somebody down the road that will also make me happy.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: When do you think it started falling apart. Um, I mean,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: we had a tough go right out of the gates.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I think, I think everybody knows that it was a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: pretty dramatic season, probably one of the more dramatic seasons.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: But um yeah, I'm not gonna lie in sugarcoat and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: say yeah, it was all you know, roses right out
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of the gates. I mean, I think we started having
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: having a tough time with our relationship in like the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: second week of the season. We went through all different
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: types of ups and downs. And I remember and talking
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to Todd Snyder, producer who was I was really close with,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: He's like, I've never seen somebody go through so many
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: ups and downs on this show in the relationship, because
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: it was always pushing pull, pushing pull, Like we were
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: going through some serious stuff on the show. And then
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: obviously once we're engaged and we were able to announce
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that we're together, we're happy, we're excited, and then um,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: then you still have to deal with other issues and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: it's always like, um, yeah, I had I had a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: tough time on that show, but it was always a
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: battle of my heart versus my brain, right, And I
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: think the whole nixt situation was. It was a big
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: part of our relationship. Would you say you never got
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: over the next situation? Um? Yeah, I think, Uh, it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: always something that was in the back of my mind. Yeah,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: it was tough. And and that's where I say, it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: always a trying to figure out what my brain feels
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: versus my heart. My brain tells me I'm on the Bachelorette,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: this happens. I remember saying that to all the producers,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Like I remember them being like, why aren't you so mad?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Why don't you want to run out of here? Why
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't you want to go punch a wall? Like aren't
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: you furious? And I'm like, I'm on the bachelorette, Like this,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: this stuff happens. She's not completely committed to me. Um
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: versus my heart feeling like damn, that really hurts. And
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: then not only that, but then having to deal with
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that everywhere after the show and everywhere we went, And
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that was always a big topic, and that was one
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: of the major storylines of our season. I think. Um,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I think if if people were look back at that season,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: they would remember, um me and nick I guess feud
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and and what happened with that? Um so yeah, I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it's it's tough. I think anybody can agree with that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: That having to uh, you know, go through your engagement
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and you're together but still dealing with the past and
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it being thrown in your faces everywhere. Is that was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: like a a powerful thing, right because because I wanted
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to support her as um, you know, being a female
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and being able to do what she wants and um.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: So she received a lot of good press for that, right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and then a lot of hate for that as well.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: But I mean it was every magazine, every news channel.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I remember coming home from my apartment, like walking in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and seeing it on Jimmy Kimmel, like making jokes about it,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: or going to the grocery store and seeing and on
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the cover of magazine, or going out somewhere in public
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and somebody saying something to me. So it was literally everywhere,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And um, that's just I think normal to have those
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: feelings when you are engaged with somebody. It wasn't easy. Well,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and not just engaged. I think this is a good
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: example of when reality television becomes real life and you're
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: not just engaged a kid and you love Calin and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: so you're in love with somebody who is also and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I know, Lauren done with this, you know, and it sucks,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and there's there's no but like, you're in love with
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: somebody who is still being put on magazines talking about
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: other people. You're watching them kiss other people, You're watching
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: them express feelings for other people. And I think for you,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: you you cared about her. I mean there is zero
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: question in my mind from night one to the very
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: end that you were all in on her, like I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: was figuring it out right, like I was still trying
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to figure out it what what Caitlin was to me
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a friend, you know, a good you know pal, or
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: if I was really pursuing her for for life or not.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: You from day one said no, that's that's somebody I'm
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: interested in. And so your heart was on the line
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah, I mean it was. It's always
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: been tough for me to open up and for me
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to trust people in general, and so I kind of
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: just told myself going on that show, the only way
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: this thing is gonna work is if I, you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: fully open up and treat this as a normal relationship.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: And that world is anything but normal, and you guys
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: know that, and you can try and treat it like
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a regular relationship. But it's not at all like I'll
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: come back home or I'll be waiting, Like I remember,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: we had such a good relationship, um, and we talked
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: about Caitlin. But it got to the point where there
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was just four of us left and we're still in
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the same room, and like I'd be laying in bed
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and then you'd come home at like one or two
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: in the morning and you'd get in bed and like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I wasn't right, and you're already like I was already
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in love at that point, and yeah, you're like, hey,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I was good. I was like, all right, I don't
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: want to hear any more. At that point, it is like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: holy this is getting pretty crazy. But yeah, there's nothing
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: normal about it. Um. But it's not like I have
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: regrets because I went in there and um, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I guess I left it all out there and um yeah,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it's but it gives everybody out there and myself a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: backstory to how you got to to this point. Right.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I remember a night in in Ireland. It's Sean Mitge.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's a night he's talking about He's I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: got home late and he's still awake and he's laying
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on his bed, on top of the covers um, looking
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: up at the ceiling, and he won't even make y
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: kind How was it said? It was good good, And
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: he goes, all right, that's cool, and he's done and
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he rolls over and sticks his head right in the pillows,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and I was like, this guy. Absolutely, Yeah, I have
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to say that from the portrayal on the show, I've
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: never seen it for trade as deep love as it
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: has been with you and Caitlin m It's it felt
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like stuff and and Shanna have to ask, now, um,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: is that why this has been so hard? I mean
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: just I felt love from this show and this new
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: season right this this chapter. Now that you're looking around
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: your sayings, No, it's no longer the same as it
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: was because of the authenticity and the genius and the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: real love that was felt. Is that why this has
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: been so hard to process? Yeah? Absolutely, because it's like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: not only where we engage, but it's like, man, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: lost my best friend too. We're gonna take another break. Hey,
• 24:33
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• 24:36
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• 24:39
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• 24:45
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• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Can that not be my moniker? It's no, it should be.
• 24:51
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• 24:57
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• 25:00
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• 25:04
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• 25:08
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• 25:11
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• 25:17
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• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I want to say it's therapeutic, like I want to
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: say this is good, and I think it is because
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: as we process breakups in these pains, I think we
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: live not only as we talk about like I think
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about in a second, but we live in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a generation where, um, there's an incredible amount of visibility
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: into some of the hardest things. Now you know, for
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you you have to watch your partner move on. But
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: also we live in a generation where vulnerability is um
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: quickly uh scene and so hearing things like this, like
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: hearing uh you processing through this is is obviously going
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to relate with a lot of people out there. I
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: unfortunately to do it on national TV on Winter Games
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: when Chris Harrison knew the exact question, asked me, then,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: what's the hardest part? He knew that's what was gonna
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: get me. Um, And I can't even say what I
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: said because this is this is about you. But my
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: point is this is not easy, and so you fighting
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: through this is is to be expected for me. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: just had to do it when I couldn't walk away. Um.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But but I you know, Sean, I want you to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: just talk as you feel, um you need, will take
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: breaks as we need. But but yeah, I mean I
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: think that leads us into that question before, is is
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: what is the hardest part? Um? Yeah? Well, first off,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: thank you asked for being patient with me, and I I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: actually think it's gonna be uh this difficult. I knew
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it would be hard, but I guess once you actually
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: start opening up about it a little more, UM makes
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it that much harder. Um. It just feels like everything
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: is just like completely gone like that, like Caitlyn and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Shawn like gone, like everything we've had, Um, everything we've
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: been through. UM. You know, we were this team that
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we got through a lot of stuff together, but then
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: just like in an instant, it's all gone. And so
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: it's just trying to move on from that and then UM,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: stay positive about it and not let the outside noise
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: take you down too much. UM, because you know, living
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in a world where everything is on social media, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you know, it's nerve racking every time I pick up
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: my phone. I haven't been on Twitter and months just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: because I don't want to scroll the mentions. And then
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: going on Instagram, you know I do that for business purposes. UM,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: obviously get caught with scrolling, and that's always tough because
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I just you know, you have a bit in your
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: stomach and then you know this and you know this
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: don't discover page. I do not go to the discover page.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I learned that pretty quick. I haven't been there in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a while. UM, so yeah, that that's that's the hard part.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And I think just with her and moving on so quick. UM,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I just have a tough time understanding why she would
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: be putting this out everywhere or blasting it all over
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the place, knowing, um that it could hurt. UM. There's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of confusion about the timeline at the end
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of the ever your relationship. When did everything? When did
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you start taking a break? Um? We were working through
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: things during the summer, but we weren't officially like we
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: were still together, like when you guys spent like a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: month apart and people on Instagram respective breaking out Now
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: we were still together. Um, we are ended up, I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: would say, officially breaking up September and then um announcing
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: it in November. Yeah, that's also around the same time
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I learned about Caitlin and Jason in November. Yeah. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: want to I want to definitely get into Caitlin and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Jason in a second, because I know it's gonna be hard. Um.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: But when you I think looking back on my time too,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to pull back those those emotions.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I honestly try to block him out. But um, when
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you broke up m hm. And it was officially done
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: in September, right, and you don't, you know, you take
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: some time to announce it because it just wise and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: smart and it's it's about you two anyways. And did
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you expect it to be this hard? No? I didn't.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I think we're at a point in our relationship where
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: we were like, all right, this has to happen, and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it was just like, all right, we're doing it, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: just kind of went a hundred miles an hour and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: next thing, you know, Um, I think it really hit
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: me hard the day it was announced. That was tough.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But I never thought, I guess in the back of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: my mind, and I probably shouldn't have thought this. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: didn't think it was maybe completely over. I thought that maybe,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: all right, there was a part of us that kind
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: of wanted to announce it to kind of get everybody
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: off our backs because we were trying to work on
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it behind closed doors and doing what we need to do.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And then just the pressure from everybody speculating and a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: lot of rumors starting, and um, that started affecting our
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: relationship too, So it was almost like, all right, we're done,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and then, UM, I guess in my mind, I thought
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: maybe there was still some chance, you know, after we
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: announced it, that we would, you know, stay friends, and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. Um. Maybe I'm naive
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: for thinking that, but I did tell her that I
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to work through this as a team. That was
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: my main thing. Like, we only have each other for this,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of people who have been
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: through this situation and going through breakups are extremely difficult,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: but then having to deal with everything else, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I wanted to work with each other and kind of
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: support one another and be there for each other. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: then that just didn't happen. So why did you decide
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you couldn't be friends? Um? Because I found out about
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: her and Jason. Let's let's dig into that then. UM,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Um? How much? How
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: much time do we have? Well, we have we have,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I hope a long life ahead of us. Yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: I feel the the whole array of emotions, pain, anger, confu,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: usuon um everything else. Yeah, it's tough. Well, we got
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: an email from Elizabeth and she asked a question on
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: this topic. She goes, once you go public with a breakup,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and you are expected, you're you're obviously two people expected
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to move on eventually. She says, I love both Shawn
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: and Caitlin, and Shawn's feelings should of course be taken
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: into consideration. But once you've broken up with someone, do
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you really get to say on how fast your X
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: moves on? No? And I'm not saying I don't. I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: don't have a saying anything that she does. And that's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: her life and um, obviously what they had was strong
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: enough to pursue that and to run with it. Its
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Does it hurt Hell yeah, it hurts, um, But she
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: can do what she wants and I'm not going to
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: stop her from you know, like that lady asked or
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: said that do we have to say? No? Absolutely, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: don't have to say we are. Sean and I were
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: able to speak a couple of times it's a break up,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and one of those was that we asked that question
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to me, what was do I even have to stay here? Like?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Is there any timeline that we can because it hurts right, like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: no matter what, you're human, you see it. The worst part,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I think one of the worst parts about a breakup,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: not only is the finality of it sometimes and the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: idea that you know, as Sean I talked about earlier,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: like you look around, you go, this is done, moving on.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: But the second part is the band aid being ripped
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: off and seeing that person with somebody else, like sharing
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that intimate moment. Because and and and Shan, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: thank you for giving us opportunity to ask you these questions,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: and thanks for coming in here and talk to us.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But I do have to clarify that when you're engaged,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you're setting up boundaries, and you're you're in it, Ashley,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you're setting up boundaries in your head now to say,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna kiss another person, I'm never gonna lay
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: next to another person. I'm never gonna look at another
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: person with the trust in the honesty and the vulnerability
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that I'm doing to this partner. And so when you
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: see that then end that's one thing. And then when
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you see that start to happen with somebody else, that's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: a whole another. And so what Sean and I came
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to conclusion, which this guy is exactly what he said.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: It hurts, it can hurt, it should hurt, it will hurt.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: But no, we don't have any say, and that's what
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: hurts maybe the most as you can't control it. That's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: what I mean, you have no say in it. It's like, yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: they're together, and if she's happy, she's happy that's what
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: she wants to do, then that's what she wants to do.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: I think that is the finality of it all though.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: You know when I when we broke up and announced it,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and we're still talking, um, still talking as friends. Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: still talking like texting and we're still um. I was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: still bringing over Tucker to see her, and um, that's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: what's something we were going to continue to do. And yeah,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: just kind of helping one another out. But then it
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: just it ended. So then then when all this stuff
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: comes out and um, you find out these things, that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: was kind of like, all right, I guess this is
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: really done. We we have a question from Maggie relating
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to the topic, and I do think this is interesting,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: uh and I do want to hear sean your your
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: opinion on this. It says the double standard from Maggie,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I think we while we obviously want both parties to
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: be happy and I love Jason and Caitlin for each other,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: if the rules were reversed and Sean was being this public,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you'd be crucified, as says, I mean, there is talk
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: of him just hanging out with a girl from the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: gym that probably isn't even a relationship, and people were outraged.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I think the relationship has probably been over for a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: while and it's Caitlin's right to move on. But there's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a double standard that was from Maggie. I will say this,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I was very frustrated. Um, there were tabloids that came
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: out that I was spot had with some girl at
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: a fitness event. Um. I was also spotted at that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: fitness event with probably fifty four other people as well.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: They didn't put that in there. Um. And then, Um,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I was getting attacked really bad, and I was getting
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: very mean emails, messages, comments, and people were just out
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: from my head because they thought that I was dating
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: somebody which I wasn't and there was no relationship there. Um.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And then I had heard that Caitlin talked about on
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: her podcast, and that was something that also frustrated me
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: because at that point I already knew that she had
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: been with Jason, and it was with Jason a couple
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: of weeks prior to that, and talking to him, So
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: that hurt. Why do you think that is? I mean,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: there there is this It feels like, you know, I
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: remember remember when when the headlines came out about you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and somebody from some fitness event and no matter what here,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: let's take even Caitlin out of the conversation here and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like let's say, yeah, at that point, it wasn't public
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: with her and Jason just for you. You You come out
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and you're spotted with one girl at a fitness event,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and it becomes, you know, the headlines of negativity. This
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you know, now comes into play, the Caitlin and Jason thing,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and we add that in it says this is being
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: supported in and encouraged. Why is that? Well? I think
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: it's also because he's from Bachelor Nation, right, He's a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: well liked guy from Bachelor Nation, and people look at
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: our lives sometimes as being these people on TV. So
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I really like Jason on his season.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I was rooting for him. I really liked Caitlin on
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: her season. Oh it's so cool that they're together. I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like both of them. Um that's one theory that I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: have or where I think that's probably why that is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: very supported. Um. I don't know. I don't know if
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: there's a double standard, but I didn't think it was
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: fair the way I was being treated, just knowing what
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I knew. But then again, I keep reminding myself what
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: my dad has told me since I'm a little kid,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that life is not fair and there's and it's never
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be fair. Um So it's just rolling with the punches.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And in a sense right now, I'm kind of just
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: getting all of it out of the way, like all right,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: going through the breakup that's painful, And then, like you said,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I think the hardest thing that anybody has to go
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: through is seeing their um X or something they're in
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: love with with another person. So I'm kind of all right,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: we're getting this over with now, like just dealing with it,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and I just know that it's all gonna make me
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: stronger and I'm gonna come out of this a better person.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: So I try and stay positive as best I can.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't. I'm not gonna sit here and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: complain about my life. Like I know, I'm a lucky guy,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Like I get to wake up every morning and I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: do what I love most with phenomenal people. I have
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: my health, I have a loving and care and family,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: great friends, and every day I come home and I
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: have the best dog in the world that greets me
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: when I opened the door. So I realized, I'm a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: lucky guy. And um, I know that this is just
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: a relationship. So I don't want to sit here and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, poor me, like pity me. You know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through it. It's gonna hurt like hell.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: It does hurt like hell, but it's just gonna make
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: me stronger. And I know that down the road, I'm
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to look back at this and I
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: know that down the road, I'll be really happy again
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: in a relationship. So okay, So Sean, what are your
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: feelings on Caitlin right now? Caitlin is someone that I
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: obviously care about and somebody that I was in love with,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and she was somebody that I experienced all um crazy
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: things in life with and went through a lot with her.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: So it's tough for me to sit here now like
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: try and go going through the thick of everything and
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: have an honest opinion about her. And I don't want
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it to be negative because even though we've talked about
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of the tougher things in our relationship here.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't wanna discredit all the good things
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: that we had in our relationship, and there were a
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: lot of them, and we did have a lot of
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: good times together, and obviously I will look back at
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: this um part of my life and cherish it. Um.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: So I guess at the end of the day, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: do want her to be happy. And now I suppose
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that the reason you maybe have a bad taste in
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: your mouth is just because how fast she moved on. Yeah,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I think that just it stings, um, and I think
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: that's normal to have those feelings. UM. But again, I'm
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say, hey, I was this
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: perfect guy in this relationship, and I know there are
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: things that I could have been better with and UM,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not putting the blame on her for the relationship
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: or why it ended. I think it just, um hurts
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: seeing somebody that you were in love with move on
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and move on quickly. But um, she's allowed to do
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that and it is what it is. But yeah, it's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: it's just it's hard. You mentioned a couple of times
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: through the podcast, and so I gotta ask, um, is
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: there a chance or do you foresee yourself ever getting
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: back together. No, was the answer to that different like
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: a month ago. Yeah, yes, we weren't taking the break.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So when you guys did officially split in September, you
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: didn't have this any sort of negative connotation. No, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: don't think it was really negative. It was just sad.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I think we're both sad, and I think we were
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: both at a point where it had to happen. So
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it was we were being friendly and um, but she
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: had moved on, which is fine. So I think that's
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: kind of when the communication stopped. I feel like Caitlin
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: may have started mourning the end of your relationship before.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Possibly it was even over, saying like July, when things
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: started really going down south and you're trying to work
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: on things, when do you think you started nothing. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to like just say for a fact, she
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: started board to get in July. I have no idea
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: when she did. This is just ibes I'm getting. But Wendy,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you think you started mourning the end of the relationship. Yeah,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: that could be a true statement. Um, I think it
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: was probably after her and I think everything just kind
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of hit really hard and really quick, and so maybe
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: that is why I'm having a little bit of a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: tougher time because I'm going through the morning process now
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: where she could have been earlier. So, UM, I guess
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: people more in things differently, And I would definitely say
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that announcing the breakup was extremely tough, and then seeing
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: her move on it was extremely tough. And I'm kind
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: of just mourning all of it right now. So possibly
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it was maybe she was mourning the end of the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: relationship and then when you guys announced it, she kind
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: of felt a weightlifted, and then you kind of the opposite.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: That's when everything started to feel real. Um. I don't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: know if I felt the opposite, like there was a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: weight lifted from me too, I felt, but I guess
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I just think, Um, I don't know. Maybe I just
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: didn't prepare myself. I don't think that's something I can
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: prepare for. I guess it's in the back of your mind,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: like all right, maybe this thing won't work, um, And
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: we did a lot to try and make it work. UM.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So I think when it actually did come to an end,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: it was like, holy cow, it's actually done. And then,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: of course, even when we broke up and from September
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: to November still kind of just you know, um going
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: along day to day, And like I said before, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: think it just really hit once it was announced, and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: then hit again when I found out everything with Jason.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So I want to be really clear about the timeline.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: You guys broke up officially in September, you remained for endly,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: then Jason and Caitlin met while recording her podcast in October,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and then they started dating in January, or at least
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: we're public about dating in January. You're not intinuing it
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: at all that they were like going behind your back
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: before the official breakup. I want to make that like
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: super clear. Yeah, I'm not saying that she was cheating
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: on him, are cheating on me with you. I'm not
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: saying that because I know that she loves you unconditionally. Still, yeah,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't want to say that. I
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: don't want people to think that. Um, the whole timeline thing,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: like you said, broke up September, announced in November. Um,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I just I just found out about the Jason and
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn thing back in November. So UM, I know they
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: are publicly going on and talking about it right now
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and saying they're going on their first dates and the
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: second dates and putting all over social media. Um, but
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I knew the US for a couple of months now,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: so it's a little bit I've been dealing with it
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit longer, so it's kind of a little
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: fresher to the public. Um. The only thing that I guess, um,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're afraid to announce it prior
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to them and maybe when they say they're going there,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: they're going on the first date. I'm assuming that that's
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: public because obviously they spent time together before then. So
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing that I was just like, Oh, okay,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: why are they trying to um tell everybody they're just
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: starting to date now. That's why I'm like, are they
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: hiding something? But I don't think they are. That's where
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I'm confused. The public really perceived you guys not being
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: married after being engaged for three years as a stressor
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: as maybe that was why you guys broke up because
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you just you just didn't want to get married and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: she wanted to get married. Was that an actual issue
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: in the relationship or just a perceived issue from the
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: pop Like, yeah, that was that was definitely more perceived
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: by the public. It was never a big thing with us.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Since day one, we realized that the way we met
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: was definitely a little different, and we always said we
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to take our time. But there was never any
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: point where I was like, let's get married now, or
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: she was like, come on, let's get married. We we
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: both were just kind of going with the flow, and um,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: we really didn't let that outside noise get to us,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: like the whole marriage thing. We kind of laughed off,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like when we're ready, we'll get married. And we just
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: never got to that point. And I think we both
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: felt that. So that's why we never really discussed it
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: or started planning it, because I think obviously, deep down
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: she knew and deep down I knew that we just
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: weren't there. Okay, so you don't think that your relationship
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: was ever stable enough for you to sign the papers
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: and commit it forever, right, Yeah, And at least that's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: how I felt. I mean, I can't talk on her behalf,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: but I know, like she was never like, come on,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: let's get married, let's do this, like and she she
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: never and she has always said that she's never been
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: a girl that's you know, crazy about planning her wedding
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: or or getting married, and I think it's just for
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: her being in that stable relationship. And if marriage happens,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: it happens, I mean I would I would have to
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: imagine for you. And as a friend, I sit there
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and I read this stuff, and I see all these
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: things right come out on in tabloids and magazines, on
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you know, Twitter or whatever it is. I see all
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: these things. I see your picture pop up, and I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: see them and I know, no matter what, neither you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: or Caitlin here want these things to be spread because
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: they're not true. And so sitting silent feels paralyzing. It
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: almost feels like it would hurt more than coming out
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and talking about it. Yeah, And I think, uh, a
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people just think I'm this guy who only
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: cares about his gym and working out and his dog.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And you know, because everybody looks at social media as
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: an end all be all right, They're just like, oh,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: this guy does not give a crap about anything. He
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about a relationship or Caitlin or any of that,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: which gonna be farther from the truth. And I also
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I want to help maybe hopefully this helps somebody get
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: through this because as tough as this was to sitting
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: here and talk. Obviously, we've come a long way in
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the last hour. M it does. It has helped me,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: and hopefully this helps somebody if they're sitting in their
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: car right now, because probably somebody's going through a tough breakup,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and all three of us sitting at the stable have
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: been through very tough breakups. Since you wanted to come
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: here and tell your side of the story, I just
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: want to clarify. I have a few more things before
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we move on from all the serious stuff. Was it
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a mutual split? Would you say? I would say that
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: it ended up being mutual, ended up getting to a
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: point where we both realized that we couldn't keep going
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: on the way we were. We just weren't giving each
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: other what we both needed, and it was a constant
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: back and forth and we just couldn't get on the
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: same page. And so I guess the reasoning behind the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: split was just not being able to see eye to
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: eye on a lot of things. And he specifically you
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: want to open up about no, just um, you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: things that she needed she didn't feel that I was
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: able to give her, and then vice versa, and it
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: was kind of just this um never ending cycle of
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: did you feel like you were giving that and that
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: she that she thought that she was giving what you needed?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Or is it something like you guys were just two
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: people that were never meant to give and take from
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: each other. I think we're both stubborn people, and I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: think we've tried. There's not like one issue or one
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: thing that's just like, well, that's what caused. It was
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: just stuff that continued to develop and just kind of
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: uh get piled on one another. And then I just
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: got the point where we're gonna do it, Sean, I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: want to pause here, uh and just say thanks. I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: do think your your intention of saying, hey, maybe somebody
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: out there listening to this could could feel I think
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the the feeling of pain and vulnerability is never easy
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to share. I think, especially for for minutes, it seems
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to be hard. And you've done that today, and so
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: somebody out there listening, I guarantee goes out like I'm
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: not alone. And that's that's really why we started this
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: podcast two years ago, uh, is to talk about the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Bachelor um and somehow through that use it as an
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: avenue for that people to watch The Bachelor enjoy The Bachelor,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to know that the people that do The Bachelor are
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: are still human, and then as a result, we can
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: share that we're not you're not alone. As as you
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: watch this and you see people cry and you see
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: people feel pained, I want to lighten it up for
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: a second. Um, before we end with a couple final
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: questions for you, I want Ashley to do what she
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: does best, because as I guarantee you, she has some
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous questions to ask you first. So um, Sean,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: before we end this kind of on a more somber note,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: if you don't mind, I want to take some time
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: for Ashley to take it away. I only we've ever
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: gone from this sad to like questions. No, No, I'm
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: not depressing at all. I think I think the I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, you know everybody in this room. There's there's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: five of us in the room right now. I think vulnerability, authenticity,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: genuine nous and that like rawness is attractive to so
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: many and I think it's very rare that we're able
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: to share in those moments with each other and and
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and so as a result, No, I don't think it's depressing.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: I actually just think it feels like life. It just
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: feels like life in here. It feels like we can
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: all just take a deep breath and be like, yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: things are sometimes really great. We can we can become
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: numb to the pain and numb too to the things
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that hurt. But sometimes life just max us in the
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: face and we have to talk about it. And and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it's moments like that now, Um, that I think I'm
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: most attract to as I get older is the moment
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that we can say no, like, sometimes life just hurts,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and so no, not depressing, I just think it. It
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: feels really heavy in here in a really relatable way. Um.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And on that note, what was your man crush? I'm
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: standing right next to him. No, I know that's not
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: true my man crush. Um, that's a good one. When
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I watched movies Aberty crushes, Lamb. That's a lamb question. Cushes,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I really thought you were gonna just
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: say Ryan Gosling. I do like the goss A big
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: fan of Jake Jillen hall it too. He's Jake the Snakes.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: The Man Leo. Leo is another one of them. They're
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: all three really fantastic choices. What was the last movie
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that made you cry or move to you just watch
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: one recently? I think Marley and Me. All right, yeah, yeah,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw that movie. I had
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: ended at one o'clock in the morning. I just watched
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: it for the first time a couple of years ago,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and then my sister and I had to wake my
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: dad up with the FaceTime and be like, let me see.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I have to say, LUSI, um, real quick, can you
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: imagine being the father of Ashley Lauren? How much fun
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: that's got to be. I've met Lauren, but I need
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to seem I mean, just unbelievable. Ashley's they're crying it
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: to in the morning. He's nice to be like, all right, um,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: what is the worst movie you've ever seen? Um? Paul
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Blart The Mall Coup. I never saw it, but it
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: looked really bad for me. It's the Love Guru. Yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: that's I walked out to like Paul Bart three or four.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I was shocked that they were able to make a
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: sequel to that. And lastly, your first concert? What was that?
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Dave Matthews Band, Hartford, Connecticut. I'm se my surprised by that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: That was like a big smoke weed at that concert. UM,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: no comments. I think I was pretty young. I think
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I was probably like fourteen. My buddies just went to
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: a Dave Matthews concert. It's his eighteen and he never
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: smokes ever, he hates smoking. He smoked at this concert.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: He faced timey. His eyes are red and he's just
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: having a panic attacking. He said, Well, lesson learned. Don't
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: try to be cool, buddy. UM, drugs aren't cool. Hey, Uh,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Sean again, thank you. UM. This is more in general
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: for anybody listening, and also I want to invite anybody
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: listening to please e mail us. It's been in Ashley.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. Uh. Any of your questions, UM
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for Sean, questions for us, UH, stories of breakup, stories
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: of pain. Um. You know, if we're gonna be vulnerable
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: with you, we we want to also offer the arena
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: and the opportunity for you, for you to be vulnerable
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: with us, And so email us and Sean to end here. UM.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Two final questions. One is as a friend of yours,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: as somebody that loves you. UM is somebody that also
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: still loves Caitlin. And I know Ashley loves Caitlin. UM,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: but just as friends in general, How can friends best
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: support people that are going through breakups? Just be there
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: for them no matter what and just listen like you've
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: done for me. I called you. I think you were
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: in the Dominican right, Yeah, I was with David Ortiz
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: was and you took time away probably an hour, hour
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and a half even with like a three or four
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: second delay when we talk to each other, just offering advice. Yeah,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and just being there. I've really learned, Uh, you know
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: who I can count on, and um, that's I guess
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: been a positive through all this. Um, yeah, just be there,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: be there. One of our mutual friends, nas producer on
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the show, who is no longer a producer, she created
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: something called Heartbroken Anonymous, and it's basically an a a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: meeting every month for people who are heartbroken and so
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: they can just talk out their feelings with other people
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: in similar situations. Are you trying to get me to go?
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that if you are here on a
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, she's doing on Valentine's Day. Cool. Um, Now,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. Actually that that group,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: just let you know, has grown tremendously, so it's it's actually, yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: it kind of relates really well with this. Just everybody
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: off the Bachelor seasons. They just bill onto. There have
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: been some alums at the meetings, but I think it's
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: gone really well and it's interesting to think that we're
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: communities are connecting over pain. I don't know, I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that's good. I think that's church kind of should be.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Um that's another topic. Hey, Uh, final question for you body,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: how do you move forward? Just continue what I'm doing
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm trying to stay positive and um really
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: just focusing on the good of my life and knowing
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that there is this whole other side to this that
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: I'll get to. I might take a little bit of time,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: but um, like I said, I am, I am a
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: lucky guy and a lot of aspects of my life.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: So it's just powering through it and it's moving on
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: like I've always done, like you've always done, like everybody
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: listening to this is always done. That's all I can do.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: You go see Sean at the booth Camp Jim in
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Nashville or uh you goldn't go and download this app
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: at booth camp app dot com. Sean Ben, we appreciate
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you buddy's coming on by. Uh you know in depth.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Was really designed to go deep into topics that typically
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: don't get the opportunity to talk about. And we work
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: you know, closely right now with The Bachelor, and um,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the show has been something that we've watched,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Ashley and I has. I've watched for years for entertainment
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and for joy and to take our mind off of things.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: You drink wine, you eat cheese, and you celebrate with friends,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and you watch people pick roses. And then sometimes we
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: have instances like Sean's here, like yours and like mine,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and I would say every season and most people that
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: participate in the show, they have a story from the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: show that transcends reality television. And as I said, we
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: worked close to The Bachelor. And this week, on this
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: week's episode, there is a moment maybe the most real, vulnerable,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: most difficult moment to ever get through in Bachelor history.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: It it's sobering, it's it's tough, and and and the Bachelor,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: you know, sent it to us so we can talk
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: about We want to talk about it with you today, uh,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and then we also want to talk about it more
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: in depth on Monday. But but here's the scenario. Um, well,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: you're gonna watch on Monday. Uh. It's a topic that
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: we've actually broached a couple of times on this podcast
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: with Ashley Spivey a few a few weeks ago. Um,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: we've you know, I mentioned and on that podcast that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I know somebody very close to me who has been
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault. And uh. And on this
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: week's episode of The Bachelor, Kalin and Colton sit down,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: um for their after date dinner. And and typically with
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: those dinners, UM, it is the time that you're building relationship,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you're talking about things that that make you who you are.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: It helps the Bachelor Bachelor understand the contestants better, and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it helps the audience and understand the contestants better. And
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: we've said it last week actually actually that you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: there was something about Klin that we just weren't getting yet,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Like we felt like there was more to this story
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and we thought that like that we we kind of
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: she had brought up topics about herself. She had said
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: there's more to me, you know, than than when I'm communicating,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: But we didn't know what that was. And this week
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: we found out what it is. And so Calin sits
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: down with Colton and shares with him that in college,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: she was at a party. At this party, her drink
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: was drugged um, and the story continues to wear her
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: herself and I think it was three of her friends
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: find themselves naked the next morning without any memory of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: what happened the night before. With that, she she concludes,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: through some some very obvious factors that she was a
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: victim UM and also survivor of sexual assault. As I'm
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: watching this, it's obviously d but it's obviously UM a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: moment that she's sharing now with the world. Colton is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: listening to her and I and I just felt like, Okay,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: this seems to be a topic once again that continues
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: to get brought up. How often does this happen? How
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: many people are out there saying I am a survivor
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: and I have been a victim of sexual assault? And
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: this is what I found out. According to a study
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: done in this year of women admit to being a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: victim of sexual assault, eight percent of men of our populace. Okay,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: but we have the clip from The Bachelor this Monday night.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I just want to clarify you guys, this isn't a spoiler.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: This is something that ABC gave to us because they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: want us to open this dialogue on the topic and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: for you guys to all watch it so that you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: can come to us with some of your thoughts and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: feelings and we can discuss it more on our regular
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: show on Monday night. Thank you, Thank you for being
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you have it to open up to me too. M hm. Yeah,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: so I think that's maybe why I feel so safe
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: with you. You're incredibly strong, you know. Thank you. I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: feel like I've been through hell and back, but I
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: think every time I opened up, it makes me stronger,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm able to take a little piece of me
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: back that was broken by I'm way stronger than I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: ever imagined. H Okay, I wouldn't open up with him
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: about this if I didn't feel so safe with him.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Everything about our relationship feels natural and feels real and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: feels authentic, and it just it feels right. I don't
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: think I've ever had like a connection the way that
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Golden and I have one sounds really sold plight to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: ourself sort gold lights. This is so beautiful. It just
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: feels like it's us. I know that I can definitely
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: see myself fond in love with him. I'm just do
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: so confident in us. I mean, I don't really know
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: if I have words. You know, it's that was like
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: what probably the deepest moment I've ever watched on The Bachelor. Um,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like there is like an amazing amount there's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: like a there's obviously there's something between them now that
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: is going to be unlike what he has to anybody else,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: because I don't think you get that vulnerable. I don't
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: know that he's gonna share a moment that vulnerable with
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: another person. So I think they're always going to have
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: like a little special spot for each other. Well. Also,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know we've we've spoken about before and in life
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: in general, let's you know, again, this transcends reality television.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Let's not this isn't you know in the vacuum of
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor. Now, let's say in life in general, everybody
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: has a story. You meet Calin for the first time,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and you go, there's something more to this woman that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I want. I'm understanding. She's beautiful, and she's smart, and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: she's intelligent, she's she's gritty, but there's something more. And
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I look at you, Ashley, and I'm saying, you know,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: you're the same thing as I would just say about Calin.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, but there's something more. It's our stories behind
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the layers that pull out who we actually are. This
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: is one of those circumstances we were able to see
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: somebody's story that has now shaped Kalin forever being a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: victim of sexual soul. I don't want to undervalue or
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: just kind of gloss over what that means, that affects
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: your life forever. I am not a victim, right. I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: can't claim to understand completely where she's coming from, but
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: what I can say is we can read about it,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: we can understand it, and we can listen to it.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: And when we're listening to Calin, we know that shaped
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: everything in her life since then. And I don't want
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: to say that it's nice to hear. I can't find
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: the right word again, but there's something about the way
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: that she told Coulton how because he's a virgin, she
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: feels so comfortable with him. Yeah, um right, because of that,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: like that he is not a threat to her in anyway,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: that she just feels cozy. One topic for Monday that
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I want to discuss his shame. Calin feels an enormous
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: amount of shame coming off of this she brings it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: up to Colton Um. She holds a lot of regretting
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: her heart about it. She said her friends have kind
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: of covered up. I want to talk to to to you, Ashley.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I want to hear or from our listeners. Please email
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: us at been In. Actually I heart media dot com
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: about the topic of shame and how much that has
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: affected Calin's life based on a scenario that she did
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: not control that somebody and their wickedness and evilness did
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to her and now she's talking about it and we
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: want to talk about with you. Make sure you're tune
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: in Monday night to The Bachelor to see uh this
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: for yourself. Um, see the extended clip and have this
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: open dialogue and conversation that Caitlin has helped us start. Um.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: We know it's been heavy you guys today. It's been
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: a deep episode, but we enjoy you guys being here
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: with us and getting getting to know people on a
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: deeper level. We look forward to Monday night and we'll
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: talk to you then. Ashley. It's good to see you.