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Cult Mom Lori Vallow/Hubby Chad Daybell Scheming Revealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The country was stunned when
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Speaker 1: revelations one after the next came out about cult mom
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo. I guess as a name we haven't heard
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Speaker 1: in a long time. Between all the other cases crowding
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Speaker 1: the headlines, she's all but lost in the sauce. But
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Speaker 1: at Crime Stories, we haven't forgotten JJ entirely. Her two
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Speaker 1: children that were murdered, their bodies dismembered, burned and buried
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Speaker 1: out in a pet cemetery, and the husband the new
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Speaker 1: husband's backyard. Chad day Bell, what is the very latest?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here, Fox Nation and Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, let's take a listen. You know,
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Speaker 1: it never seems to end with this so called prophet,
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell her I think fifth husband. Now we're
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Speaker 1: learning that he apparently lied even to the funeral home,
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Speaker 1: and the defense wants a jury to believe what he's saying. Now,
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Speaker 1: fat chance, take a listen to our cut sixty eight.
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Speaker 1: This is Erica Stapleton twelve nis. I'm the pair called
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Speaker 1: I Canna help you today. Chandler Police Identifying this voice
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Speaker 1: is Chad day Bells, calling Valley of the Sun Mortuary
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Speaker 1: and Cemetery in Chandler hours after Charles Valo's death. Charles
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Speaker 1: died July eleventh, twenty nineteen, after Laurie's brother Alex Cox
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Speaker 1: shot and killed him, according to Chandler Police, and this
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Speaker 1: phone call with two different funeral home employees led Chandler
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Speaker 1: Pleae to suspect Chad could have had something to do
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Speaker 1: with Charles's death too. In the call, Chad gives a
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Speaker 1: bogus backstory. He says he lived in Iowa and calls
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Speaker 1: himself Chad Debol. He tells both employees that his uncle
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Speaker 1: just died in Arizona. For the family. He didn't have
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Speaker 1: many nephew, I live in Iowa. He goes on to
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Speaker 1: ask for pricing for a cremation and shipping to Louisiana.
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Speaker 1: Perfect later, So trying to get a ball park prey, Wow,
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Speaker 1: we'll deal with his service later. In other words, throw
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Speaker 1: him in. Whatever did she find first? So before I
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Speaker 1: introduced everybody, Nate eaten with me East Idaho News dot
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Speaker 1: Com on this case the very bagary beginning. He was
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Speaker 1: the one that was chasing Lorie Valo down in Hawaii
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Speaker 1: where she was hiding out in a luxury condominium trying
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Speaker 1: to get away as far as far as she could
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Speaker 1: from her children's dead bar Nate Atan. So he disguises
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Speaker 1: himself in a phone call and he uses the name
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Speaker 1: Chad Dabell as opposed to Chad day Bell. How about
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Speaker 1: dumb Bell? I mean, is he really this is how
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Speaker 1: he disguises his identity. He says, I'm Chad Dabell d
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Speaker 1: A b e l l as opposed to d A
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Speaker 1: y b e ll. Did I just hear that? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And the interesting thing, Nancy is when he first how
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Speaker 1: do you do it? He's an idiot? How has he
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Speaker 1: gotten away with all of this? Why hasn't he gotten
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Speaker 1: the death penalty already? Why are we still talking about
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Speaker 1: this man? And call it mom, Laurie Valle Chad Dabell seriously,
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Speaker 1: And the first reference in that call, when they first
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Speaker 1: answered the call, he did actually say it's Chad day Bell.
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Speaker 1: And then on the second and then he said the
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Speaker 1: bell and kind of a giggle. Sorry, did I not
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Speaker 1: give it its correct French pronunciation to bell? Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute. Katherine Marshaw Assistant Chief Special
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Speaker 1: Vigman's Family Violence Unit joining us from Prince George's County.
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Speaker 1: Help me, because I don't understand what I'm hearing. I
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Speaker 1: think I'm in the twilight zone. He changes his identity
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Speaker 1: to Charles da Bell as opposed to Charles day Bell. Well,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't do a good job of it, And it's
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Speaker 1: great evidence for trial because it certainly goes to his
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Speaker 1: knowledge of this murder before it's even out, as you know,
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Speaker 1: the death anywhere else, and we can certainly show he's
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Speaker 1: trying to cover up already. Yeah, why change your name
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Speaker 1: even though it's a very pathetic attempt to change your name?
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Speaker 1: Why change your name when you're calling the funeral home
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake? If somebody didn't do something mad? And
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing we see from this is
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Speaker 1: he attempts all the time to cover up, but not Well,
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Speaker 1: I've got to hear this again, okay, Karen Stark and
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Well, I've now introduced the whole panel.
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Speaker 1: Katherine Marks joining me. Special Counsel Assistant Chief Special Victim's
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Speaker 1: Family Violence Unit joining us. She's at right response Consulting
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Speaker 1: dot Com and with no Gray Zoe Podcast. Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologists, joining us from Manhattan at Karen
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Speaker 1: Stark dot com. That's Karen with a se. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University, Man. I know this by heart.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and star By brand new hit series which is really good.
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Speaker 1: By the way, m Body bags with Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: I think the title says it all on. iHeart Nate Eaton.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're braced. Jack, you got to play that again.
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Speaker 1: I've got to hear Chad Debelle disguising himself, I'm a
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Speaker 1: there calls I canna help you today, Chandler Police identifying
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Speaker 1: this voice is Chad day Bells calling Valley of the
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Speaker 1: Sun Mortuary and Cemetery in Chandler hours after Charles Valo's death.
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Speaker 1: Charles died July eleventh, twenty nineteen, after Laurie's brother Alex
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Speaker 1: Cox shot and killed him, according to Chandler Police, and
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Speaker 1: this phone call with two different funeral home employees led
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Speaker 1: Chandler Police to suspect Chad could have had something to
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Speaker 1: do with Charles's death too. In the call, Chad gives
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Speaker 1: a bogus backstory. He says he lived in Iowa and
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Speaker 1: calls himself Chad debel El. He tells both employees that
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Speaker 1: his uncle just died in Arizona for the family. He
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Speaker 1: didn't have many relative nephew, I lived in Iowa. He
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Speaker 1: goes on to ask for pricing for a cremation and
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Speaker 1: shipping to Louisiana post later. So trying to get a
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Speaker 1: ball park prey, Okay, you know what hauled your thought,
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Speaker 1: Karen start because I'm listening to this and as you know,
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Speaker 1: I find his attempt to disguise his identity laughable. But
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Speaker 1: we have to remember that's connected to not just the
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Speaker 1: two dead bodies, a little children, little children, I believed
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Speaker 1: it and JJ still have on his pj's Yeah. And
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Speaker 1: they completely destroyed Tyley's body. I mean they had JJ
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Speaker 1: kind of like hermetically sealed like think of the mummies.
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Speaker 1: King tut, how carefully the bodies are preserved. The girl,
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Speaker 1: the teen girl, tylely Man. They must have hated her,
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Speaker 1: but good because she was burned dismember just awful, awful
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Speaker 1: what they did to Calt mom's own girl and baby boy.
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Speaker 1: So when we're listening to this. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: else to say it. There's really no good way to
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Speaker 1: say it. Ahole, that's another technical legal term. You know
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Speaker 1: you'll be a lawyer yet, Jackie, by the time you
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Speaker 1: year all these technical legal terms describing himself. He even
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Speaker 1: goes so far as to spell it D A B
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Speaker 1: A L as supposed to. Day Bell just got Morgan.
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Speaker 1: As much as I have laughed at this and want
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Speaker 1: to laugh at it, think about it. Listen to what
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Speaker 1: the mysteries he's unlocking. Not many relatives, he says after
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Speaker 1: the murder. Not many relatives. In other words, trust me,
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Speaker 1: I'm the only relative you're going to find. Do what
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Speaker 1: I say. Cremate him now, in other words, get rid
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Speaker 1: of the evidence. Then you've got the whole cremation aspect.
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Speaker 1: That way, nobody will ever be able to determine what
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Speaker 1: happened to Charles Valo. That's Laurie Valo's husband that they
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Speaker 1: had to get rid of so she could freely marry
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell. Of course, the two were already apart.
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Speaker 1: Remember day Belle still married at this time. So when
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Speaker 1: you're hearing all of this, Joe Scott Morgan, he's lying
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Speaker 1: about his identity, his location, who he is, and he's
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Speaker 1: trying to push along the process of cremation to get
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Speaker 1: rid of evidence. This is actually very sinister, it is
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Speaker 1: and you know, the word that came to mind for me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is the word eradication. He wants to wipe the slate
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Speaker 1: clean relative to any trace that has been left behind.
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Speaker 1: And thinking, I guess that even if they did do
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Speaker 1: the examination they recovered evidence relative to Charles Valley's death,
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Speaker 1: that they would not be able to go back and
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Speaker 1: maybe exhume the body and retrace their steps and try
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Speaker 1: to figure out more information. So he's trying to cover
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Speaker 1: all of his bases here. Remember, you know, when bodies
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Speaker 1: are cremated, unlike what happened on the farm there, with
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Speaker 1: an official cremation, those bodies are heated up to eighteen
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Speaker 1: hundred degrees Nancy, everything is completely rendered down and dissolved.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace Nate Eton, that's not would
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Speaker 1: not have been the first body that she had cremated.
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Speaker 1: Cult Mom Laurie Valo, Remember Joseph Ryan, I guess that
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Speaker 1: was husband number three. I'm getting the numbers confused. Was
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, Hobby three or two, which one was thank you,
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Speaker 1: was her third husband. He died in his apartment suddenly
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Speaker 1: and was quickly cremated. And so will they believed it
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Speaker 1: was some sort of part issue. Will never you know
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Speaker 1: visually who believes that. I believe that that was on
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Speaker 1: his original cause of death. But obviously they can't reopen
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Speaker 1: that investigation because he's gone cremated. He's destroyed. As Jessica
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Speaker 1: Morgan said, he's eradicated. We'll never get that evidence back.
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Speaker 1: At whose decision wasn't Nate Eton to cremate Husband number three,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan who made that call? That has never been
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Speaker 1: officially clear as far as who did it, well, he
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Speaker 1: was sounding you know, it was called Mom Laurie Value
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Speaker 1: because they called her. She knew about his death. And
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Speaker 1: remember his relative says she didn't call them. Yeah, And
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Speaker 1: he had been in his apartment dead for quite some time.
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Speaker 1: His body was in riga mortis and had been there
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Speaker 1: and and and you know Joseph's sister Annie, who I
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Speaker 1: know you've interviewed, She's raised a lot of questions about that.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got husband four, Charles, who was quickly cremated.
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Speaker 1: Of course, let me restart my flow chart of all
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Speaker 1: the dead bodies. Charles Valoe's shot dead by Laurie Valoe
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Speaker 1: and her brother who was holding the gun, Alex Cox.
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Speaker 1: You've got Joseph Ryan. Husband three, Tylie's dad who Coltman
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Speaker 1: put it out and died of a heart attack. But
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Speaker 1: he was so far decomposed and now cremated. We'll never
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Speaker 1: know who was husband number one. We don't know much
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Speaker 1: about husband number one and two. Husband one was Lorie
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Speaker 1: was young, she was I believe eighteen, and that marriage
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Speaker 1: didn't last long and he has remained out of the
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Speaker 1: spotlight along with husband number two. Are they alive? They
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Speaker 1: are alive. Yeah, well they better take that and run.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got day Bell, Okay. Now, yeah, there's so
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Speaker 1: many husbands and so many dead bodies it's hard to
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Speaker 1: keep it all straight. And we can't leave out Tammy
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Speaker 1: day Bell. That would be Chad de Belle's wife. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So we have him Karen Stark, and he's lying about
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Speaker 1: something that would seem to be innocent, right calling the
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Speaker 1: funeral home about how to deal with Valo's body, but
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Speaker 1: instead he lies about his identity, where he is in
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Speaker 1: the world, the state, the jurisdiction he's in, even how
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Speaker 1: to spell his last name. All he wants is that
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Speaker 1: body cremated pronto way in. Well, if you think about it, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and mean to me, this is coming very easily to him,
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Speaker 1: even if the way he says his name is so
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Speaker 1: similar to the name that he actually has. But he's
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Speaker 1: a very proficient liar, and that doesn't surprise me at all.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who can just realist
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Speaker 1: any kind of story that he needs to in order
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Speaker 1: to cover his tracks. That's the kind of killer that
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Speaker 1: he is. But yet, Catherine Marsh, when this thing finally
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Speaker 1: goes to trial, I would be so tempted to play
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Speaker 1: this right at the very beginning of the state's case,
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Speaker 1: but there's so many other more important things to play.
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Speaker 1: They are going to want a jury to believe what
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell is telling them. When we know he
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Speaker 1: even lives to the funeral home. Why should did jury
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Speaker 1: believe anything he says? Absolutely? And that's what's going to
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Speaker 1: be so important is putting up every single lie, no
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Speaker 1: matter how innocuous or innocent it may seem. From this
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Speaker 1: call to the funeral home text messages, he said, one
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Speaker 1: lie after another after another paints the picture that he's
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Speaker 1: a diabolical liar who cannot be believed. And not only
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Speaker 1: did Lorie Valo lie through her teeth along with Hobby
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Speaker 1: number five Chat Daybill, they also smeared Charles valos reputation.
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Speaker 1: Take it loosen ourcut sixty six. You are hearing Adam Cox,
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Speaker 1: brother Adam Cox speaking and he is with Detective Nathan Moffatt.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the smear on Charles Valo's name. When Charles died,
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Speaker 1: the way my family said was that Charles try to
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Speaker 1: hurt Tilly and Alex protected Tyley. That was the story
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Speaker 1: that Laurie and Alex told my family, So they considered
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Speaker 1: Alex a hero at one point because he protected Tyley
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Speaker 1: from Charles, which turned out to be in my mind faults.
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Speaker 1: Turns out all the things that Charles told me were
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Speaker 1: true and is unfortunate that everybody else shut him out.
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Speaker 1: Charles had never been violent with anybody, So you kind
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Speaker 1: of start getting a bigger picture of this just doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel right. Well, it took how many bodies later till
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Speaker 1: they figured out it just didn't feel right. You were
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Speaker 1: hearing not only the brother Adam Cox speaking, Detective Nathan Moffatt.
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Speaker 1: But our friends at ABC twenty twenty speaking, that's from them. Okay,
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Speaker 1: back to you, Nate Eton. So you've got this string
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Speaker 1: of dead bodies, and now we hear lying to the
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Speaker 1: funeral home even on a very simple matter, and the
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Speaker 1: lies that they told about Charles Valoe trying to justify
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Speaker 1: the fact that Laurie Valoe and our brother shot him dead. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that phone call was made to the funeral home twelve
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Speaker 1: hours after Charles was shot and killed. Remember, Chad was
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Speaker 1: in Idaho. This all happened in Arizona, and this was
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Speaker 1: four months before Tammy, Chad's wife died, also three months
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Speaker 1: before Laurie's children died. So it seems as if their
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Speaker 1: plans started in motion with the death of Charles there
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Speaker 1: in July and as they were able to in their
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Speaker 1: minds get rid of anybody that came in their way.
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Speaker 1: I mean these documents, so that they were willing to
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Speaker 1: do whatever it took in their eyes to fulfill God's purposes.
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Speaker 1: That's what they said. This kind of started the whole thing. Charles,
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Speaker 1: then Laurie moves to Idaho, then JJ, then Tylie and
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Speaker 1: then Tammy, and then they take up to Hawaii, and
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Speaker 1: it was one thing after another after another, and somehow
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Speaker 1: the lives of jj N Tyley are lost in the sauce. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's not just that that we're hearing now from Lorie
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Speaker 1: Valo cult mom and her husband, they so called profit
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell. They are now claiming there's a quote
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Speaker 1: vast conspiracy to put Laurie Valo behind bars. She's doing
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Speaker 1: that all on her own. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut seventy one. This is Michael Didna twelve News Listen
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Speaker 1: and documents. Valodaville's attorney, Mark Means claims that mcconky called
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Speaker 1: the prosecution and suggest that members of the LDS Church
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Speaker 1: may be working with the prosecution to hurt Valoda Bell's case.
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Speaker 1: Right now, we have no idea exactly what Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: said or did not say. The prosecution says claims made
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Speaker 1: in the documents are unfounded, but Valodavill's defense team is
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Speaker 1: asking for a judge to let them talk to all
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Speaker 1: of those involved to figure out what was said and
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Speaker 1: potentially keep it out of court. So right now, these
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Speaker 1: motions or to protect Laurie Valow and to make sure
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Speaker 1: that none of this sees the light of day in courts. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Cafe and Marshall Catherine marsh Special
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Speaker 1: counsel joining us at Right Response Consulting dot Com. Catherine,
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Speaker 1: The constitution protects you from overreaching by the state. In
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Speaker 1: other words, police can't beat you into a confession. They
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Speaker 1: can't coerce you into a confession. You are protected against
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Speaker 1: questioning by any state authority or even someone working for
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Speaker 1: a state, such as a plant behind bars. No, but
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Speaker 1: the constitution cannot protect you from gabbing to all your
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Speaker 1: friends and your cult movement. Now they're claiming that members
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Speaker 1: within their cult or their friend group are now all
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Speaker 1: gathering together in a conspiracy to hurt cult mom Lorie Value.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. No, And in fact, it's one of
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Speaker 1: those perfect exceptions to hearsay. It's a statement against interest.
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Speaker 1: And if you go and tell somebody what you did,
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Speaker 1: or you tell them any fie that are harmful to you,
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Speaker 1: they all get to come into court. And so the
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Speaker 1: fact that she went and told friends or she told
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Speaker 1: other people, the defense is not going to be able
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Speaker 1: to keep that out. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Nate
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Speaker 1: eaton joining must but on the case from the very
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Speaker 1: very beginning. You know, I just had a flash of
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Speaker 1: when you first revealed to me Nate eaton that storage unit,
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Speaker 1: video of Chad day Bell excuse me, Chad to Belle
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Speaker 1: grabbing laur Valo's rear end when they were in that
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Speaker 1: storage unit storing all of Tyley in JJ's stuff because
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Speaker 1: they were dead and they were so lighthearted, grabbing each
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Speaker 1: other and giggling and laughing and kissing, storing her dead
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Speaker 1: children's belongings. They're ghouls. They're ghouls. But back to this,
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Speaker 1: what are they saying that Valos prior friends and fellow
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Speaker 1: cult members are putting in the fix they're trying to
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Speaker 1: do We're in. Yeah, So her defense attorney made a
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Speaker 1: big deal because right now Lorie, everything's on hold with Lorie.
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Speaker 1: She's at the State psychiatric hospital. They're working to get
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Speaker 1: her competent for trial. And so her previous defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: who was no longer on the case, claimed that somebody
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Speaker 1: with the Department of Health and Welfare tried to give
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Speaker 1: her legal counsel or encourage her to seek other legal counsel.
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Speaker 1: And because of that, there needs to be an investigation
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Speaker 1: into the psychiatrists who are dealing with her, and that
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Speaker 1: she reached out to church members for help, and I
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Speaker 1: think I think the bottom line here is it appears
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Speaker 1: that her defense attorneys are trying to do anything they
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Speaker 1: can to not get her competent. They do not want
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Speaker 1: to see her go to trial, whereas Chad's trial is
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Speaker 1: set for a year from now, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: people believe it's because the prosecution wants to try these
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Speaker 1: two together. They want them in the courtroom together so
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Speaker 1: that when one of them speaks out against the other,
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Speaker 1: the other, can you rebuttle it her or whatever they
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Speaker 1: need to do, because one can imagine that Chad's defense
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Speaker 1: right now is going to be point the finger at Laurie,
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Speaker 1: point the finger at Alex, point the finger, point the finger.
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Speaker 1: She's incompetent, she can't defend herself right now, and Alex
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Speaker 1: is dead. So if you can get those two in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom, then a lot more could come out of it.
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Speaker 1: I think when you look at the planning that went
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Speaker 1: into murder Charles Valo and the planning that went into
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Speaker 1: murdering Tammy day Bell, it's really hard to believe that
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Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan died of natural causes that just doesn't even
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Speaker 1: sound right. Okay, this is what I'm talking about. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut seventy three. After Charles Valo
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Speaker 1: was killed, Laurie's friends say they started taking her comments
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Speaker 1: more seriously, including her statements that she had paid her
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Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox to kill her her third husband, Joe Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Now Alex is connected to every death attributed to Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 1: There's got to be somewhere where they've talked us through,
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Speaker 1: because Laurie and Alex plan Joe's death. Right after Laurie's
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Speaker 1: fourth husband, Charles Valo was killed, Adam Cox started raising
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Speaker 1: red flags about Lorie's self defense justification. Adam is Laurie's
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Speaker 1: older brother and Charles's confidant or thinks that death is nothing.
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Speaker 1: When Laurie's other brother, Alex Cox Shutting killed Charles, Adam
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Speaker 1: told detectives there was more to consider the history with
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Speaker 1: Laurie and Alex and Laurie's ex husband's. Yeah, and so
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Speaker 1: there's a whole pattern of things there. So you say,
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Speaker 1: all of the comments leading up to her the murder
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Speaker 1: of Charles Valo, But what about Tammy day Bill. Take
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Speaker 1: a list of our cut sixty three. This is reporter
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Speaker 1: Garna Mahea with KSL. Tammy was supposed to die on
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Speaker 1: her trow to Utah. She was supposed to have a
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Speaker 1: she was like he had seen it in a vision
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Speaker 1: that she was going to die at heart accident. But
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Speaker 1: when Tammy didn't die as predicted, Chad claimed she was
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Speaker 1: a zombie. According to Zulema, they were saying was that
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Speaker 1: she actually did hathaway, but what happened was that she
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Speaker 1: was taken over by an evil spirit. Days before Charles
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Speaker 1: Vallo was shot and killed by Alex Detective Say, Charles
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Speaker 1: discovered Chad and Laurie's infidelity. In an email, Charles confronted Chad,
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Speaker 1: telling him to come cleaner he would quote expose them
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Speaker 1: Detective say. Charles also sent an email to Tammy, saying
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Speaker 1: him part quote, I have some disturbing information regarding your
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Speaker 1: husband and my wife. In later text messages, Charles told
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Speaker 1: Lorie he planned on going to Idaho to meet with Tammy.
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Speaker 1: Lorie replied, quote, she won't see you. She is my friend.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, You're ridiculous. So we see all the planning
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Speaker 1: leading up to these murders. Nate eight joined me East
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Speaker 1: Idaho News dot Com. I'm quoting them, Tammy was supposed
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Speaker 1: to die on our trip to Utah because he saw
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Speaker 1: it in a vision she was going to die and
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Speaker 1: at car accent, What did he plan a car accident
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Speaker 1: that he couldn't pull off? Well, that's a good question.
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Speaker 1: Two weeks before Tammy died, Jack came to her and said,
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Speaker 1: you really need to go see your family in Utah,
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Speaker 1: about three hours away. She had never they always went
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Speaker 1: as a family. It wasn't like she would go by
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Speaker 1: herself a lot. And she said, well, let's go, and
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Speaker 1: he said, no, I think you need to go. You
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Speaker 1: need to go by yourself, and so she did. She
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Speaker 1: went down. She had a great weekend with her family.
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Speaker 1: It was the last weekend they spent together. She didn't
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Speaker 1: mention anything, according to her family, about marital problems or
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Speaker 1: that she she suspected Chad was having an affair. She
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Speaker 1: got in the car, she drove back home. Text messages
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Speaker 1: revealed it. Chad then was texting with Laurie and saying
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Speaker 1: she's still here. Okay, now what do we do? And
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Speaker 1: of course two weeks later, ten days after that, she
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Speaker 1: dies in her sleep and is quickly buried. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: also learning that Laurie Vello's own brother, Nate Eton, says
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Speaker 1: that quote, jail has not brought her any closer to reality.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Yeah, So Laurie communicates with their mother,
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Speaker 1: according to Adam Cox, and has been since she was arrested,
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Speaker 1: you know, nearly two years ago. This is through letters,
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Speaker 1: through phone calls, and apparently none of her behavior has changed.
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Speaker 1: It has been Jesus has told me to do this.
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Speaker 1: I am doing the right thing. And one would think
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Speaker 1: that maybe if there were steps taken to restore competency,
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Speaker 1: that there might be some changes. You're right and what
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Speaker 1: you say, and maybe we start to realize what's happened.
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Speaker 1: And according to the brother, that has not happened. Straight
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Speaker 1: out to Karen, start joining us, renowned psychologists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. I don't see that as insanity, because
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Speaker 1: insanity means you don't know right from wrong. At the
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Speaker 1: time of the incident, and the fact that they spirited
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Speaker 1: the children away, hid their whereabouts, lied to police officers
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Speaker 1: and everyone else about their whereabouts, try to destroy their
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Speaker 1: bodies and bury them surreptitiously. That tells me they knew
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Speaker 1: what they did was wrong. So explain to me what's
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Speaker 1: happening right now? She's not insane. No, it doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: much she's insane because they definitely planed it and knew
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. And look at all the body
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Speaker 1: said piled up. But she's doing things like she's dancing
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Speaker 1: in her cell at night and to music that's closly
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Speaker 1: is in her head. Jodi Arius did that too. That
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Speaker 1: didn't make her crazy, Jodi Arius, if you will remember
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Speaker 1: saying and amazing grace, it didn't she saying amazing grace
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Speaker 1: when she was being interrogated and stood on her head.
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Speaker 1: That means nothing to me. So it's a day late
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Speaker 1: and a dollar short to start calling on the Lord
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Speaker 1: after you've already committed the murder and now you're worried
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Speaker 1: and willing to do anything to save your own skin.
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Speaker 1: Not impressed. So what at the most could this be?
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Speaker 1: And I was speaking about mentally and emotionally, what I'm
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Speaker 1: getting at is when are we taking this thing to trial? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they need to get her to be able to pass
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Speaker 1: the test with the psychologists that are interviewing her, and
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Speaker 1: so they're talking about her not taking her medications. The
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Speaker 1: truth is if she staycotic, she needs to take the
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Speaker 1: medications because that will make a big difference. And it
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Speaker 1: turns out Nancy, the people who are suffering from delusions,
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Speaker 1: they don't like to take some medications because they enjoyed
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Speaker 1: being in that state. So somewhere there's some kind of
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Speaker 1: truth going on with her. But clearly she knows enough
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Speaker 1: to be able to kill Annette's husband, to kill her children,
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Speaker 1: to supposedly kill her brother allegedly. So she's very sly
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Speaker 1: you left out, Tammy Davil, Oh, that's truth you got.
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Speaker 1: I think she killed Joseph Ryan or how her brother
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Speaker 1: do it? Because isn't there evidence Nate Eton that her
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Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox had wanted to kill Joe Ryan before. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they did not have a good relationship and there they
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Speaker 1: hated each other from from all accounts from the beginning
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Speaker 1: and Lorie just did not like him, and there was
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Speaker 1: custody issues with the kids, and it got pretty heated
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Speaker 1: in the court case and finally they got divorce. From
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Speaker 1: what we understand, Laurie was dragging getting a divorce. They
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Speaker 1: got the divorce, they separated, and it was after they
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Speaker 1: were divorced that he died at a young age too.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was, you know, in his seventies
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Speaker 1: or eighties with a heart attack. He was young. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what happened crime stories with Nancy Grace Nate Eton.
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Speaker 1: I think you're being a little reserved on whether she
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Speaker 1: masterminded the death a third husband, Joe Ryan. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at k S. L Lorie and
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Speaker 1: her third husband, Joe Ryan, had a bitter custody battle
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Speaker 1: over their daughter Tylie Ryan, including Alex's two thousand and
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Speaker 1: seven physical assault of Joe. They planned out how they
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Speaker 1: were going to kill Joe, and I was gonna tasor him,
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Speaker 1: throw him in the trunk and take him out to
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Speaker 1: a field and shoot him and then bury him. Well,
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Speaker 1: I went to tasor him and it didn't work, and
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Speaker 1: Joe called the cops and I went to Joel. Laurie
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Speaker 1: even told her friends, but Laurie had said before that
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Speaker 1: she hired her brother to kill Joe because of stuff
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Speaker 1: he did to him. Joe survived, she said, eventually, Joe's
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Speaker 1: gonna die for what he did. And in twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 1: Joe did die of an apparent heart attack in Arizona.
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Speaker 1: And it's odd that Joe, her ex husband, supposedly died
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Speaker 1: of a heart attack when they were desperate for money,
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Speaker 1: and he left her fifty thousand and time he gets
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Speaker 1: two thousand. Yeah, that is quite a kinky jing, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan what I call it. It's not a coincidence,
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Speaker 1: but evidence, circumstantial evidence, said they also Martyd Joseph Ryan. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it is. And you know, reflect back to
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Speaker 1: what was said earlier Nancy. When he was found he
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Speaker 1: was I think in an advanced state of decomposition. So
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Speaker 1: that's going to compromise any kind of findings, physical fundings
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Speaker 1: that you might have, say something as passive as a
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Speaker 1: suffocation or something like this, and not to mention, it's
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Speaker 1: going to compromise that. Decomposition may very well compromise any
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Speaker 1: kind of agent that he may have had in the system,
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Speaker 1: any kind of medication, say something you know, it's always
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Speaker 1: kind of my default position, but you know, something like
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Speaker 1: a hibbanol or a date rape jug or something like
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Speaker 1: that that you can render you unconscious. Therefore you can
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Speaker 1: compromise the airway and kill them decomposed like that, and
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can really do to go back and
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Speaker 1: find out exactly what happened. And this guy was of
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Speaker 1: course cremated. I mean, also, Nate Eaton, how do I
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Speaker 1: have to hit you over the head with it. You've
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Speaker 1: got Adam the brother claiming Alex tried to kill Joe
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Speaker 1: but the plan failed. Then we have Joe calling the
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Speaker 1: cops and Alex actually going to jail, and then we
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Speaker 1: have them plotting and planning. We have called mom Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valle predicting that third husband Joseph Ryan would die and
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Speaker 1: then bam he did. Wow that doesn't add up to
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Speaker 1: and two doesn't they? Well? Four for you, Nate Aton,
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Speaker 1: if it doesn't take a listen to our cut seventy
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Speaker 1: five ksl April Raymond, another friend of Laurie's from Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: told detectives Laurie went to see her right after Joe's death.
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Speaker 1: My understanding, if I remember correctly what she told me,
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Speaker 1: is that they hadn't heard from Joe for about a month,
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Speaker 1: and so she entyly went over to chare on him
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Speaker 1: or to see him, because I guess Tylie had a
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Speaker 1: key or something, and when they went there they had
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Speaker 1: found him dead. But according to Phoenix police, it was
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Speaker 1: a neighbor who detected a foul smell and called nine
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Speaker 1: one one. Apparently, Laurie never informed Joe's family of his death.
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Speaker 1: Joe's sister Annie Cushing says a medical examiner told her
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Speaker 1: no one claimed his body. Now police and Phoenix briefly
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Speaker 1: revisited Joe Ryan's case earlier this year, but they were
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Speaker 1: not able to find a connection to Laurie Valo. Can't
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Speaker 1: find a connection, Nate Eaton. You know, when you lie
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Speaker 1: about who finds a dead body, when you claim Tyley
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Speaker 1: found the body, when it was not Tyle. It was
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Speaker 1: a neighbor that smell the stench of human decomposition that
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Speaker 1: found the body. When you have a prior attempt on
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Speaker 1: his life by carlt Mom's angel of death her brother
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Speaker 1: that didn't work. When you have her prophesying Joe Ryan
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Speaker 1: is going to die and then he does die. I mean,
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Speaker 1: why would she lie about the detail of who found
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Speaker 1: the body unless she's covering something up. Nate Eaton, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question. This isn't the first time that
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Speaker 1: we first time and the only time that she has
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Speaker 1: apparently lied. I mean that she's been caught on tape
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Speaker 1: right after Charles died, calling the insurance company Charles husband
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Speaker 1: number four saying my husband died. They're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out how he died, trying to cash in on that
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Speaker 1: one million dollars insurance policy, thinking she's the beneficiary, and
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Speaker 1: then she gets the letters saying you're not the beneficiary,
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Speaker 1: it's your sister so and it's so unclear at this point,
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Speaker 1: we haven't been able to nail down if she received
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Speaker 1: any insurance money when Joseph Ryan died, because all of
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Speaker 1: these other deaths there was money tied to them. How
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Speaker 1: mad Karen start, Do you believe cult mom Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: was when she realizes that Charles Valo is dead and
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Speaker 1: she is no longer the beneficiary, fifty thousand dollars right
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Speaker 1: down the crapper. Well, can you imagine Nancy getting that
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Speaker 1: kind of news. I mean, here's somebody that supposed lye
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Speaker 1: is insane, but smart enough to have all of these
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Speaker 1: murders occur, and then from beyond the grave kind of
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Speaker 1: revenge that Charles did by making sure that she was
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Speaker 1: not the beneficiary. It also makes you wonder how much
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Speaker 1: she was afraid and fear for his own life. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to this. We
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Speaker 1: were so grateful only mainly for the fact that Laurie
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Speaker 1: was not the beneficiary. We know that's why she killed him. Absolutely, no,
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Speaker 1: that's why she killed him. She wanted that million dollars
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Speaker 1: and because that's all this is about. So then I
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Speaker 1: can't tell you the exact date, but maybe two weeks
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Speaker 1: later she sent a she took a screen of picture
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Speaker 1: of the change of beneficiary form and naming me the
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Speaker 1: soul beneficiary of the insurance policy of the insurance proceeds,
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Speaker 1: and she texts she sent me that picture, and she
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Speaker 1: sent a text saying five kids and no money and
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Speaker 1: his sister gets everything. And that is the last not transaction,
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Speaker 1: the last contact I've ever had with Laurie since since
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Speaker 1: all this began. You were there hearing, kay, who is
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Speaker 1: Charles Valow's sister. When he became so worried about Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo being around the children, he named his sister beneficiary.
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Speaker 1: He thought he could die and he wanted his sister
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Speaker 1: to take care of the children. So there you here,
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Speaker 1: called my Laurie Valo complaining, Mama five and no money
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Speaker 1: and you get all the all the life insurance. Well
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Speaker 1: they're no longer five children because she murdered two of them,
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Speaker 1: along with her lover turned husband. So question to you,
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Speaker 1: where does it all stand right now, Nate Eden. We
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Speaker 1: wait for the trial right now, Chad. From what I understand,
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Speaker 1: he goes into the little tiny library at the jail
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Speaker 1: every day. He's got a computer and he goes through
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Speaker 1: the evidence that his defense attorney has provided him. And
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Speaker 1: they tell me that they are planning to take this
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Speaker 1: all the way to trial. The trial could be anywhere
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Speaker 1: from six to ten weeks. It's scheduled for January of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Laurie. Meanwhile, they're working to get her
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Speaker 1: restored to competency. Prosecutor really wants to try these two together,
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Speaker 1: so if that happens, the competency restoration happens soon. There's
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Speaker 1: a chance that could happen in January. This is a
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Speaker 1: death penalty case, so they could face the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: And we wait. The trial has been moved to the
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Speaker 1: other side of the state. They're hoping to get an
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Speaker 1: unbiased jury and you see what happens. Well, God willing,
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Speaker 1: I'll see you, Nate Eton on the front row when
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Speaker 1: that jury is struck. We wait as justice unfolds. We
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Speaker 1: have not forgotten JJ entirely. We haven't forgotten Tammy day Bell,
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Speaker 1: Charles Valo, Joseph Ryan, Nancy, Grace Crumb Story signing off goodbye,
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Speaker 1: my friend,