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Milton William Cooper Revisited · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Adam, host of the podcast you're
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Speaker 1: about to listen to. Don't skip this, it's not an
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Speaker 1: ad just dropping in to let you know that this
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Speaker 1: episode was originally recorded and released as a subscriber only
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Speaker 1: bonus episode back in June of twenty twenty two, so
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Speaker 1: just a little over a year ago if you're keeping
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Speaker 1: score at home. I'm putting this one out publicly now
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Speaker 1: for a few reasons. For one, we're taking the week
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Speaker 1: off from recording, so there's that. But also this episode
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Speaker 1: not only ties into some stuff we've talked about recently,
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Speaker 1: but also it has some ties to an upcoming thing
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Speaker 1: we're doing. The episode you're about to listen to is
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Speaker 1: about a guy named Milton William Cooper who is one
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Speaker 1: of the godfathers of the conspiracy theory movement in this country.
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Speaker 1: He is the author of a seminal conspiracy theory book
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Speaker 1: called Behold a Pale Horse. You might recall that we
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Speaker 1: did a couple of free episodes about that book also
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Speaker 1: in June of twenty twenty two. This bonus episode was
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Speaker 1: part of that series, but it focuses more on the
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Speaker 1: man who wrote the book, as opposed to the book itself.
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Speaker 1: If you recall, on last week's episode we teased that
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Speaker 1: we'd be doing a new book club series. Well, next
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Speaker 1: week's episode will be the first of those. We're reading
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Speaker 1: a book called The Keepers, an alien message for the
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Speaker 1: human race, written by a guy named Jim Sparks. You
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Speaker 1: should read it too, and then listen to us talk
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Speaker 1: about it next week. The book is a little hard
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Speaker 1: to find, but if nothing else, Barnes and Noble has
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Speaker 1: the e book version for real cheap. But also, this
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Speaker 1: episode ties into a thing we just talked about, which
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Speaker 1: is Stephen Greer and his belief that if you just
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Speaker 1: concentrate hard enough, you can compel aliens to visit you.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a recent development in the alien debate,
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Speaker 1: but as you'll note when you listen to this episode,
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Speaker 1: that divide in the alien community has existed at least
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Speaker 1: since Milton William Cooper released Behold a Pale Horse, and
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Speaker 1: that was in nineteen ninety one. Around the thirty six
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Speaker 1: minute mark of this episode, the subject turns to dark
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Speaker 1: side versus light side aliens, and it will all sound
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Speaker 1: super familiar provided you listened to the recent Stephen Greer
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Speaker 1: episode with Connor mcspadden so hey, enjoy this throwback episode
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Speaker 1: that is available publicly for the first time, and come
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Speaker 1: back next week to hear us talk about the Keepers,
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Speaker 1: an alien message for the human race, and thanks, We
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Speaker 1: love you. Let's get to the show. Syliver Short, we
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Speaker 1: truly intrurance? Did I true the troth? I'm a check
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Speaker 1: up with Trance get true? That is Hey, everybody, welcome
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Speaker 1: to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host, Adam Todd Brown
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Speaker 1: joining me as co host this week. Ooh, my favorite
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Speaker 1: co host of all no co host. I am going
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Speaker 1: it alone, not just for this episode, but for the
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Speaker 1: next episode, maybe the next two or three episodes. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about a couple of subjects that are probably as
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Speaker 1: responsible for the existence of this podcast as anything else.
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Speaker 1: That would be the nineteen ninety one conspiracy theory book
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Speaker 1: Behold a Pale Horse and the man who wrote it,
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Speaker 1: Milton William Cooper. It is impossible to overstate how important
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Speaker 1: this book is when it comes to conspiracy theorist types.
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Speaker 1: It is foundational stuff. A lot of conspiracy theory greatest
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Speaker 1: hits first gained widespread attention with this book. The New
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Speaker 1: World Order, secret societies, the CIA selling drugs, AIDS, as
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Speaker 1: a bioweapon. The gang's all here, even if not everything
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Speaker 1: covered in the book originated with the book. This is,
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Speaker 1: without a doubt, where a whole lot of people first
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Speaker 1: read about some of history's most enduring conspiracy theories. Listen
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Speaker 1: to everyone, read everything, believe nothing until you yourself can
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Speaker 1: prove it with your own research. That's a quote, and
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Speaker 1: it sounds like a quote from your QAnon lovin uncle,
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Speaker 1: because that is definitely something that he would say to you.
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Speaker 1: But it's also a quote from Milton William Cooper, the
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Speaker 1: author of Behold a Pale Horse. He is the godfather
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Speaker 1: of the do your own Research movement, among other things.
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Speaker 1: One of the interesting aspects of Behold a Pale Horse
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Speaker 1: is that it achieved its popularity, at least in part,
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Speaker 1: by being one of the most popular prison books of
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Speaker 1: all time. You might be wondering, what is a prison book.
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Speaker 1: Let me see if I can explain it. It's a
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Speaker 1: book everyone reads when they go to prison. That was
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Speaker 1: actually easier to explain then I built it up to be.
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Speaker 1: But I've never been to prison. So my introduction to
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Speaker 1: the book happened a different way, and that was by
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Speaker 1: listening to a whole bunch of mid nineties rap music.
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Speaker 1: You see, right around the time gangster rap was murdering
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Speaker 1: off the last vestiges of conscious rap and the government
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Speaker 1: was murdering off Tupac and Biggie. Around that same time,
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Speaker 1: a lot of mainstream rappers suddenly became super duper interested
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Speaker 1: in and or scared of, the New World Order conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: And we all know now that a small group of
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Speaker 1: elites secretly run the world and are conspiring to enslave
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Speaker 1: us all through the establishment of a one world government.
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Speaker 1: That's the New World Order conspiracy in elevator pitch form.
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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, there's no way you're
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Speaker 1: not familiar with it by now. George HW. Bush very
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Speaker 1: notoriously used the phrase in a speech right around the
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Speaker 1: time Behold a Pale Horse was released, which was nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety one. Again, and I'm sure that was just a
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Speaker 1: total coincidence and not Bush's ciass poking the bear in
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Speaker 1: some way. Whatever the case, I'm fairly certain the first
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Speaker 1: time I heard the phrase New World Order in a
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Speaker 1: rap song was the nineteen ninety five Goodie Mob single
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Speaker 1: Self Therapy, or along those same lines. It also comes
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Speaker 1: up a bunch on the second Outcast album, which is
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Speaker 1: called at Elian's which was released the following year. And
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Speaker 1: it's not an exaggeration to say this might be the
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Speaker 1: most referenced book in rap music history. It's definitely the
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Speaker 1: most referenced conspiracy theory book, which I'm sure at least
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Speaker 1: has a little to do with how cool the title is.
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Speaker 1: The title comes from the Book of Revelation, chapter six,
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Speaker 1: verse eight, in which John is witnessed to the opening
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Speaker 1: of the Seven Seals. I'm sure I didn't need to
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Speaker 1: tell any of you that here's the quote. And I looked,
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Speaker 1: behold a pale horse, and his name that sat on
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Speaker 1: him was death in hell followed with him. Johnny Cash
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Speaker 1: also reads that passage in the song when the Man
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Speaker 1: comes around, completely unrelated. The title of the first chapter
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Speaker 1: of this book, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, is also
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Speaker 1: the title of an album by Wu Tang affiliates Kill
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Speaker 1: Aw Army, and the book gets all this love from
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Speaker 1: the hip hop community still to this day, despite the
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Speaker 1: book's author being a white dude who lived on top
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Speaker 1: of a mountain in Arizona, who the Anti Defamation League
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Speaker 1: described as a right wing militia leader. Now I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure that's completely accurate, but either way, it makes sense
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Speaker 1: that the hip hop community would rally around this book,
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Speaker 1: especially when you take into account that a lot of
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Speaker 1: the theories in it involved the government targeting black people specifically.
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Speaker 1: So a book like this, coming from someone who was
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Speaker 1: former military intelligence just kind of confirmed a lot of
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Speaker 1: suspicions a lot of people had about the government before
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Speaker 1: they even read the book. And also, to his credit,
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Speaker 1: Bill Cooper was kind of like Christall Champagne in reverse
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Speaker 1: when it came to the rap music industry embracing his book.
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Speaker 1: Whereas the owner of Christall Champagne encouraged the rap stars
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Speaker 1: who were shouting out his product to consider shouting out
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Speaker 1: Krug or Don Perrignon instead, Bill Cooper was psyched when
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Speaker 1: he was told rap music had embraced his book. Now,
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Speaker 1: how hearing those rap lyrics about the New World Order
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Speaker 1: led me to knowing which conspiracy theory books to buy
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Speaker 1: without the help of the Internet is beyond me. However
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Speaker 1: it happened. I landed on four books that served as
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Speaker 1: my introduction to conspiracy theories in general. Confusingly, two of
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Speaker 1: them are called The New World Order. One is written
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Speaker 1: by a guy named A. Ralph Epperson, and the other
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Speaker 1: is of course written by evangelical Christian icon Pat Robertson.
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Speaker 1: To add to the confusion, there's a third non fiction
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Speaker 1: book called The New World Order, but it was written
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Speaker 1: by fiction writer HG. Wells, so people assume it's fiction also,
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Speaker 1: but no, it's about how he thinks the only way
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Speaker 1: the world is going to thrive and prosper is if
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Speaker 1: we do install a one world government. The Eperson and
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Speaker 1: Robertson books are about how that is a bad thing
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Speaker 1: that we should not do, but also if we're going
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Speaker 1: in chronological order, that third New World Order book by H. G.
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Speaker 1: Wells is actually the first New World Order book, and
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Speaker 1: in either case, it's not the third of the four
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Speaker 1: books I mentioned. I trust you're all still with me.
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Speaker 1: The third book that formed my introduction to conspiracy theories
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Speaker 1: is called The Unseen Hand and Introduction to the Conspiratorial
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Speaker 1: View of History. Appropriately enough, that's a nineteen eighty five book,
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Speaker 1: also written by A. Ralph Epperson. I haven't interacted with
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Speaker 1: either of his books since reading them way back then,
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Speaker 1: but I remember thinking The Unseen Hand was especially interesting,
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Speaker 1: and the Amazon reviews certainly seem to agree, so maybe
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Speaker 1: I'll read it again, But for now, the fourth of
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Speaker 1: those conspiracy books that I was somehow compelled to purchase,
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Speaker 1: Behold a Pale Horse. That's what we're going to focus
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Speaker 1: on for the next few episodes, because again, of all
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Speaker 1: those books, Behold a Pale Horse is far and away
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Speaker 1: the most iconic and best selling. It had an initial
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Speaker 1: press run of thirty five hundred copies, but as of
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, it was closing in on three hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: copies sold. That's a lot for a book, especially a
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Speaker 1: book like this, and that is according to the twenty
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Speaker 1: eighteen book Pale Horse Rider William Cooper. The Rise of
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy and the Fall of Trust in America by Mark Jacobson.
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Speaker 1: On this first episode, I'm going to focus more on
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Speaker 1: the man behind the book Behold a Pale Horse, as
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Speaker 1: opposed to the book itself, and as such, Mark Jacobson's
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Speaker 1: book is probably your best resource if you want way, way,
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Speaker 1: way more information about what we're talking about today, which
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Speaker 1: again is Bill Cooper, outside of what you'd learn just
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Speaker 1: reading Behold a Pale Horse. If you're still hungry for
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Speaker 1: more after that. For one thing, I've compiled about ten
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Speaker 1: pages of notes for a book that's about four hundred pages.
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Speaker 1: So you can certainly go read Mark Jacobson's book if
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Speaker 1: you want to know more about Bill Cooper. If you're
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Speaker 1: still hungry after that, you can also check out Beyond
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Speaker 1: the Pale Horse The Strange Case of Milton William Cooper
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Speaker 1: by Gray Barker and Andrew Colvin. I'll tell you up front,
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Speaker 1: those are two radically different books. Pale Horse Rider is
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Speaker 1: a fairly objective work written by a journalist. The Strange
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Speaker 1: Case of Milton William Cooper is written by a friend
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Speaker 1: of Cooper's, who, despite opening the book saying he didn't
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Speaker 1: agree with everything Cooper had to say, clearly agreed with
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Speaker 1: everything Cooper had to say and treated the subject like
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Speaker 1: he was talking about some kind of messiah. Bill Cooper
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Speaker 1: is not a messiah. He's not a prophet. He is
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Speaker 1: just a very, very complicated man who I don't think
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Speaker 1: I trust anymore. I definitely did when I first read
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Speaker 1: Behold a Pale Horse back in the mid nineties. But
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of context missing if you form your
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Speaker 1: opinion about Bill Cooper just by reading that one book.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about again. A lot of what we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about today is also covered in the
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Speaker 1: book Pale Horse Rider William Cooper The Rise of Conspiracy
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Speaker 1: in the Fall of Trust in America by Mark Jacobson.
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Speaker 1: We'll link to it in the show notes. Give it
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Speaker 1: a read. Why don't shut so Bill Cooper? He was
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Speaker 1: born May sixth, nineteen forty three. His dad was in
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Speaker 1: the military. He eventually joined the military as well. The
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Speaker 1: military stuff will be very important later, but we can
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Speaker 1: gloss over it for now. The childhood and upbringing stuff
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Speaker 1: is always my least favorite part of any biography, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip it. Go read the book. If you
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Speaker 1: want to know one thing you definitely won't read about
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Speaker 1: Bill Cooper in Behold a Pale Horse is that he
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Speaker 1: famously kind of predicted nine to eleven after watching a
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Speaker 1: CNN interview with Osama bin laden in July two thousand
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Speaker 1: and one. Here's a quote. Supposedly, a CNN reporter found
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Speaker 1: Osama bin Lauden, took a television camera crew with him
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Speaker 1: and interviewed him and his top leadership lieutenants and his
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Speaker 1: colonels and general in their hideout. Now, don't you think
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Speaker 1: that's kind of strange folks, because the largest intelligence apparatus
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Speaker 1: in the world, with the biggest budget in the history
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Speaker 1: of the world, has been looking for Osama bin Laden
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Speaker 1: for years and years and years and can't find him.
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Speaker 1: But some dufus jerk off reporter with his little camera
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Speaker 1: crew Waltz's right into his secret hideout and interviews him.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, that does sound strange when he
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Speaker 1: puts it that way. But also there's more. Here's another quote.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you to be prepared for a major attack.
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Speaker 1: Something terrible is gonna happen in this country. And whatever
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Speaker 1: is gonna happen, they're gonna blame on Osama bin Laden.
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Speaker 1: Don't you even believe it? End quote? And there's more.
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Speaker 1: Here's another quote. Within weeks, the Congress will pass draconian
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Speaker 1: legislation aimed at restricting the rights of American citizens. You're
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Speaker 1: gonna have surveillance cameras on every street corner. You think
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Speaker 1: your phones are being tapped? Now just wait. No one
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Speaker 1: is going to gain from this except a very small
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Speaker 1: group of people. Everyone else will lose. No one will
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Speaker 1: lose more than the American people. From now on, freedom
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Speaker 1: will be whatever the law allows you to do end quote.
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Speaker 1: That's all pretty chilling because he said all that in
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Speaker 1: July of two thousand and one, and in September of
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, if you recall, a lot of
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Speaker 1: that happened. But there's even more because he also made
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Speaker 1: another prediction well before that nine to eleven prediction. Here's
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Speaker 1: that quote, They're going to kill me, ladies and gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: They're going to come up here in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night and shoot me dead right on my doorstep.
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Speaker 1: And guess what. A couple months after nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: that happened to Bill Cooper was indeed killed in a
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Speaker 1: shootout with police. But we'll talk about that more later.
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Speaker 1: For now, let's talk about another thing he is alleged
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Speaker 1: to have predicted, which is the rise of a Trump
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Speaker 1: like leader. In a nineteen ninety two CNN interview, he
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Speaker 1: said it was impossible for another Abraham Lincoln to be
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Speaker 1: elected president of the United States and that the only
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Speaker 1: way to get the people in office now out of
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Speaker 1: office was to stop voting for them, which that's true.
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Speaker 1: He also added, kick all the members of the secret
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Speaker 1: societies out of the bureaucracy, try them for treason, because
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Speaker 1: that's what they are traders, and how are we supposed
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Speaker 1: to do all that elect a president who had never
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Speaker 1: served in government before. So that all sounds shockingly similar
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Speaker 1: to how people feel about Trump and what he was
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Speaker 1: supposed to have accomplished by becoming president but very much
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Speaker 1: did not. But Bill Cooper's misgivings about the government obviously
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Speaker 1: go way back before nine to eleven. After all, Behold
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Speaker 1: a Pale Horse came out ten years prior to that,
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Speaker 1: But he says his disillusionment with the government started back
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Speaker 1: when he was serving in the Navy. He worked on
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Speaker 1: the briefing team for a guy named Admiral Bernard A Clary,
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Speaker 1: Commander in Chief of the US Pacific Fleet, and this
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Speaker 1: job came with an upgraded security clearance that he claims
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Speaker 1: allowed him to view all sorts of highly sensitive material.
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Speaker 1: By the way, his security clearance level in the military Q,
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Speaker 1: because of course it was Q. Anyway, his issues started
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Speaker 1: with seeing Nixon give a speech about how we were
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Speaker 1: conducting no bombing raids in North Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos,
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Speaker 1: and then five minutes later seeing intelligence reports about bombing
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Speaker 1: missions over those exact areas. But he also claimed to
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Speaker 1: have seen a whole bunch of other stuff in Admiral
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Speaker 1: Clary's files as well, like documents proving that the US
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Speaker 1: government was directly involved in the assassination of JFK. This
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Speaker 1: is where he says he first learned of a theory
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Speaker 1: that would define him in his early days on the
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist scene. That theory being that JFK was actually
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Speaker 1: killed by his limo driver, secret Service agent William Greer,
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Speaker 1: who shot him with a shellfish toxin pellet gun. Cooper
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Speaker 1: even sold his own version of the Supruder film that
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Speaker 1: highlighted the moment. He claimed, you could see Greer turn
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Speaker 1: around and shoot Kennedy. Don't watch the president, watch the driver.
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If you watch the video and
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Speaker 1: keep your eye on the driver, there is a point
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Speaker 1: when all the shootings happen and where the driver turns around.
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Speaker 1: But also there's a whole bunch of shooting happening, and
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Speaker 1: the person getting hit is behind him, so you're probably
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Speaker 1: going to turn around to check that out. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if that means he killed Kennedy. William Cooper seemed
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Speaker 1: to think it did, but that whole thing was still
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Speaker 1: a decade or two down the road in Bill Cooper's life,
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Speaker 1: not the Kennedy assassination that obviously happened in the early sixties,
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Speaker 1: but him caring about it in a public way would
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Speaker 1: take a while. Between seeing that stockpile of secrets in
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Speaker 1: Admiral Clary's office and riding behold a pale horse, a
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Speaker 1: whole bunch of other things happen, like Bill Cooper serving
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Speaker 1: in Vietnam, which unsurprisingly did nothing to improve his personal
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Speaker 1: relationship with the US government, which was already pretty badly
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Speaker 1: strained on account of him finding out they off JFK
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Speaker 1: with lobster bullets. After he got back from Vietnam, he
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Speaker 1: was so fed up with the government he decided to
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Speaker 1: reach out to a reporter Watergate style about what he'd
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Speaker 1: learned about the Kennedy assassination. Except instead of that leading
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Speaker 1: to his secret knowledge becoming national news, Cooper claims it
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Speaker 1: led to a black limousine running him off the road
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Speaker 1: while he was riding his motorcycle in Oakland. To hear
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Speaker 1: him tell it, he was riding along minding his own
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Speaker 1: business when a black Cadillac limo started tailgating him, and
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Speaker 1: shortly thereafter the limo moved to the left lane like
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Speaker 1: it was going to pass, and then veered to the right,
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Speaker 1: sending Cooper in his motorcycle over a guard rail and
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Speaker 1: down the bottom of an incline. Here's a quote. Two
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Speaker 1: men got out and climbed down to where I lay,
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Speaker 1: covered in blood. One bent down and felt for my
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Speaker 1: carotid pulse. The other asked if I was dead. The
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Speaker 1: nearest man said no, but he will be. Except here's
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Speaker 1: the thing. He didn't die, he survived. But then almost
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Speaker 1: the exact same thing happened a month later, same limo
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Speaker 1: and everything. This time it just worked a little better,
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Speaker 1: and Cooper mangled his leg to the point that it
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Speaker 1: was partially amputated, and he walked with a prosthetic from
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Speaker 1: then on. James that after this accident, while hospitalized, he
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Speaker 1: woke to find two men standing over his bedside. Here's
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Speaker 1: a quote. They only wanted to know if I would
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Speaker 1: shut up or if the next time should be final.
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Speaker 1: I told them that I would be a very good
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Speaker 1: little boy, and that they needn't worry about me anymore.
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Speaker 1: End quote. He says he knew he was lying, but
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Speaker 1: what are you going to say in that situation? Either
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Speaker 1: say no, You're not going to talk anymore or you
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Speaker 1: get smothered with a pillow. Seems like an easy choice.
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Speaker 1: But on the bright side, it was in that hospital
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Speaker 1: bed where Bill Cooper met the future Missus Bill Cooper,
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Speaker 1: or like the fourth future Missus Bill Cooper. According to
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Speaker 1: Pale horse Rider, no one is quite sure how many
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Speaker 1: times Bill Cooper's been married. His FBI file includes a
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Speaker 1: quote from his dad saying his son had been married
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Speaker 1: or engaged at least nine times. But this all happened
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Speaker 1: around nineteen seventy six, the incident where he gets run
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Speaker 1: off the road allegedly for trying to report what he
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Speaker 1: knew about the Kennedy assassination. It was late that year
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Speaker 1: when he married Janis Pell, who was working as his
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Speaker 1: nurse when he was in the hospital after that incident.
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Speaker 1: Here's a quote from her. I had no idea what
20:07
Speaker 1: I was getting into. One minute, he'd be the sweetest,
20:10
Speaker 1: warmest guy. Then he'd change start yelling at me for
20:13
Speaker 1: no reason. It was like living with Doctor Jekyll and
20:15
Speaker 1: mister Hyde. End quote. Cooper was also a lifelong heavy drinker, which,
20:20
Speaker 1: as you'd expect, led to lots of problems in his relationships,
20:24
Speaker 1: romantic and otherwise. Here's another quote from janis Pell. He'd
20:28
Speaker 1: get abusive mentally and after a while physically. I tried
20:32
Speaker 1: to make excuses for him. The war his leg. He
20:35
Speaker 1: always told me the men in the car would come
20:37
Speaker 1: back and finish the job. That was what kept him
20:39
Speaker 1: on edge. He said, I was afraid of him. He
20:42
Speaker 1: was this huge man, really strong, like a giant bear.
20:45
Speaker 1: If something happened, he always came back and apologized. He'd
20:48
Speaker 1: cry and say he didn't know what got into him.
20:51
Speaker 1: He didn't even remember what happened and quote. So Bill
20:54
Speaker 1: Cooper sounds like a whole lot of person to deal with.
20:57
Speaker 1: At one point, he was diagnosed with PTSD, which at
21:00
Speaker 1: the time was called post traumatic delayed stress syndrome, and
21:04
Speaker 1: he was admitted for extended inpatient stays at Long Beach
21:08
Speaker 1: Veterans Administration Medical Center from July seventh to September twenty fifth,
21:12
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, and again from March eighth to April
21:15
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two. So those weren't short stays.
21:18
Speaker 1: One of the watershed moments in Bill Cooper's life happened
21:22
Speaker 1: on December eleventh, nineteen eighty four. That's when a package
21:26
Speaker 1: postmarked from Albuquerque, New Mexico, arrived in the North Hollywood
21:30
Speaker 1: mailbox of documentary filmmaker Jamie Shendera. The package contained a
21:34
Speaker 1: mostly blank roll of thirty five millimeter film, except there
21:37
Speaker 1: were eight frames of that film. Each frame had one
21:41
Speaker 1: page of what would eventually make up one of the
21:44
Speaker 1: most notorious discoveries of the UFO Truther movement, the Majestic
21:49
Speaker 1: twelve document. This was a top secret memo allegedly from
21:54
Speaker 1: President Truman informing President elect Dwight D. Eisenhower about the
21:59
Speaker 1: existent of a governmental program dealing with UFOs. The name
22:04
Speaker 1: comes from a quote from Truman in that memo, where
22:07
Speaker 1: he says, hereafter this matter shall be referred to only
22:11
Speaker 1: as Operation Majestic twelve end quote. Can you imagine finding
22:16
Speaker 1: something like that out by way of a memo? You're
22:18
Speaker 1: just alone at your desk and you read, by the way,
22:21
Speaker 1: we have been in contact with UFOs and aliens for
22:25
Speaker 1: quite a while. Enjoy your presidency. Shortly after Jamie Shandera
22:30
Speaker 1: received the Majestic twelve document, a story about it was
22:34
Speaker 1: published in an LA publication called UFO Magazine, and that
22:37
Speaker 1: set Cooper off. He said he could barely believe his eyes,
22:41
Speaker 1: because he'd already read about all that in a treasure
22:44
Speaker 1: trove of documents in Admiral Clary's office, where else. Getting
22:49
Speaker 1: run off the road by the men in black had
22:52
Speaker 1: kept him quiet for sixteen years, But upon reading this article,
22:56
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper quote decided to enter the end quote, and
23:03
Speaker 1: as luck would have it, this revelation happened at a
23:05
Speaker 1: point in history when going public with secret knowledge was
23:08
Speaker 1: becoming easier than ever thanks to something called the Internet.
23:13
Speaker 1: Ever heard of it. In the summer of nineteen eighty eight,
23:15
Speaker 1: Cooper started posting on a dawn of the Internet message
23:19
Speaker 1: board called Paranet, which was founded by a ufologist named
23:23
Speaker 1: Jim Spizer. Is that how we're pronouncing that eufologist? At
23:27
Speaker 1: one point, Bill Cooper has a falling out with the
23:30
Speaker 1: UFO community, and he started referring to them as eufoologists,
23:33
Speaker 1: which that's very funny, but doesn't tell me at all
23:37
Speaker 1: how I'm supposed to be pronouncing this word. I'm going eufologist.
23:40
Speaker 1: You'll be fine anyway. His first post on Paranet in
23:44
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight detailed an incident he claimed to have
23:47
Speaker 1: witnessed while on board the submarine USS Tyroue in nineteen
23:51
Speaker 1: sixty six, where he and his fellow crew members saw
23:55
Speaker 1: quote a metal craft larger than a football field tumble
23:59
Speaker 1: from the clouds into the ocean end quote. They also
24:02
Speaker 1: said it dipped into the water, came back out, did
24:05
Speaker 1: that a couple more times, and then shot up into
24:07
Speaker 1: the sky and disappeared into the clouds. Here's another quote.
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Speaker 1: There was no doubt as to what we had seen.
24:13
Speaker 1: It was a metal craft with machinery on and around
24:17
Speaker 1: the outside of it. It appeared to have windows or
24:19
Speaker 1: lenses placed around its perimeter. It made no noise that
24:22
Speaker 1: we could hear. It did not disturb the subs electrical systems,
24:25
Speaker 1: nor did it affect the gyro compass. It had the
24:29
Speaker 1: shape and form of a saucer with a bowl inverted
24:32
Speaker 1: in the saucer, and it was huge. I will never
24:35
Speaker 1: forget it as long as I live. This is the
24:37
Speaker 1: first time I have ever mentioned it since the moment
24:40
Speaker 1: that the captain told me that it was classified. End quote.
24:43
Speaker 1: He says after that he was approached by a superior
24:46
Speaker 1: who told him to keep quiet about what he'd seen
24:49
Speaker 1: for the sake of his career. So that was Milton
24:52
Speaker 1: William Cooper's opening salvo in the then burgeoning conspiracy theory
24:58
Speaker 1: media industry. Things got really interesting for Bill Cooper in
25:03
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory space a few days after that post, when,
25:07
Speaker 1: on August twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, another entry went
25:10
Speaker 1: up on the Paradet message board. It was called the
25:13
Speaker 1: John Lear Hypothesis, and as the title implies, it was
25:17
Speaker 1: written by a guy named John Lear. You might be
25:19
Speaker 1: asking Lear like the Lear Jet, and yes, just like
25:22
Speaker 1: the jet, But that was his dad, William Lear, who
25:25
Speaker 1: also founded Motorola. But John Lear wasn't burdened with things
25:28
Speaker 1: like needing to work, so he made his name mostly
25:32
Speaker 1: by becoming a pilot and breaking a bunch of speed records.
25:35
Speaker 1: By the time he was twenty five, he held seventeen
25:37
Speaker 1: separate air speed records. Oh and he also flew for
25:40
Speaker 1: the CIA a whole bunch, specifically for their Air America
25:44
Speaker 1: and Continental Air Services fleets from nineteen sixty six to
25:48
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. We mentioned the documentary Mirage Men All
25:51
Speaker 1: the time on this pod. That's a documentary about a
25:53
Speaker 1: military guy named Richard Dody whose main job was to
25:56
Speaker 1: supply people who'd found real government secrets and made them
25:59
Speaker 1: public with additional fake information that the FEDS could use
26:03
Speaker 1: to discredit that person when they inevitably make that fake
26:07
Speaker 1: information public as well. And I think there's a pretty
26:09
Speaker 1: good chance that was happening here. A few days after
26:13
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper surfaces on the Paranet board to assert his
26:17
Speaker 1: credentials as a military man with insider knowledge about UFOs
26:21
Speaker 1: in Swoop's former CIA man with an even more fantastical
26:26
Speaker 1: tale of UFO shenanigans. According to the Lear hypothesis quote,
26:31
Speaker 1: the United States government has been in business with Little
26:34
Speaker 1: Gray extraterrestrials for about twenty years. Those we trust with
26:39
Speaker 1: our lives have sold us out to aliens from another world.
26:43
Speaker 1: It's a very complicated theory that we've talked about on
26:46
Speaker 1: the show. It also forms the basis of the second
26:49
Speaker 1: half of the most recent season of American Horror Story.
26:52
Speaker 1: You just go watch that if you want. I thought
26:53
Speaker 1: it was very good. But the short version is that
26:56
Speaker 1: at some point President Eisenhower struck a deal with as
27:00
Speaker 1: who were already living on Earth, where they would give
27:03
Speaker 1: us access to alien technology in exchange for us letting
27:07
Speaker 1: them kidnap humans to use for experimentation. Purposes. More than
27:11
Speaker 1: twenty thousand children a year were being abducted by the
27:14
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties on account of this arrangement, according to Lear's hypothesis.
27:19
Speaker 1: Also pause for a second. Calling it a hypothesis seems weird, right.
27:23
Speaker 1: This isn't really the kind of thing you'd go public
27:25
Speaker 1: with before having some pretty solid evidence, except yeah, you
27:29
Speaker 1: would if you're John Lear. On several occasions, he made
27:32
Speaker 1: it clear that everything he was saying could be incorrect.
27:36
Speaker 1: It's just a hypothesis, which no, it's not. It's not
27:38
Speaker 1: a hypothesis, but I'm not here to argue the definition
27:42
Speaker 1: of words. The author of Pale horse Rider actually interviewed
27:45
Speaker 1: John Lear and got this quote out of him, among others.
27:49
Speaker 1: Everything I think is just so much bullshit, but it
27:51
Speaker 1: is bullshit I happen to believe in, at least today.
27:55
Speaker 1: End quote. So when you couple his CIA background with
27:59
Speaker 1: the fact that he is just an admitted liar, you'd
28:03
Speaker 1: have every reason in the world to suspect John Lear
28:06
Speaker 1: was not on the up and up. But nevertheless, his
28:09
Speaker 1: hypothesis struck a chord with Bill Cooper. Here's a quote
28:12
Speaker 1: again from John Lear and the Pale horse Rider book
28:15
Speaker 1: except then I heard there was this guy on Parrinet
28:18
Speaker 1: who was supporting what I said, Bill Cooper. He was
28:21
Speaker 1: riding into the bulletin board saying he'd worked in the
28:23
Speaker 1: Office of Naval Intelligence and seen this incredible amount of
28:26
Speaker 1: top secret material and could vouch for word for word
28:30
Speaker 1: fifty percent of what I said. Fifty percent. I thought
28:33
Speaker 1: to myself, well, that's not bad. I gave him my
28:35
Speaker 1: phone number, told him to call, which he did pretty
28:38
Speaker 1: much ride away. A few days later he was at
28:40
Speaker 1: my house ringing the doorbell. And so from nineteen eighty
28:43
Speaker 1: eight to nineteen ninety Bill Cooper and John Lear spend
28:47
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of time together, which is around the
28:49
Speaker 1: same time Bill Cooper would have been compiling the work
28:52
Speaker 1: that became Behold a Pale Horse. Here's another quote from
28:55
Speaker 1: John Lear about Bill Cooper. I liked him from the beginning.
28:58
Speaker 1: He was smart, had a good sone it's a humor
29:00
Speaker 1: and amazing memory. He could also drink me under the table,
29:04
Speaker 1: which wasn't so easy to do back then. When I
29:07
Speaker 1: saw him put away a fifth of Scotch before lunchtime,
29:09
Speaker 1: I knew he was my kind of guy. End quote.
29:12
Speaker 1: So if you're a fundamentalist believer in the book Behold
29:15
Speaker 1: a Pale Horse, I would invite you to let this
29:18
Speaker 1: last section of the podcast give you a little pause.
29:22
Speaker 1: This is a former CIA man intervening in the life
29:26
Speaker 1: of someone who had already been diagnosed with post traumatic
29:30
Speaker 1: stress disorder, who had a serious drinking problem, and he
29:35
Speaker 1: shows up in Bill Cooper's life with this fantastical tale
29:39
Speaker 1: of aliens striking up business deals with Dwight Eisenhower. But hey,
29:44
Speaker 1: he just flew for the CIA. I'm sure it's all
29:46
Speaker 1: just coincidences and nothing more so. Anyway. The Lear hypothesis
29:52
Speaker 1: basically took the Majestic twelve theory that started with that
29:55
Speaker 1: mysterious role of film and added an extra layer to it,
29:59
Speaker 1: that being that Eisenhower struck a deal with the aliens
30:02
Speaker 1: that the Truman Memo told him about. By the time
30:04
Speaker 1: Cooper and Lear started hanging out, Bill Cooper was already
30:08
Speaker 1: deep into writing his own newer version of the Majestic
30:12
Speaker 1: twelve slash Lear Hypothesis. His version, which appears in a
30:17
Speaker 1: modified form in Behold a Pale Horse, is called the
30:19
Speaker 1: Secret Government, the Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ twelve,
30:24
Speaker 1: and it adds a whole bunch of new and exciting
30:27
Speaker 1: details to the lear hypothesis, most of them drawn from
30:31
Speaker 1: his memories of those documents he claims to have seen
30:35
Speaker 1: all those years ago in his Navy boss's office. Don't worry,
30:39
Speaker 1: he recovered them through hypnosis, and in his version of
30:42
Speaker 1: the story, there's more downed alien crafts, there's more recovered aliens,
30:46
Speaker 1: and for the first time, human body parts are alleged
30:50
Speaker 1: to have been found on one of the downed alien aircraft.
30:53
Speaker 1: He also added some new technology to the list of
30:56
Speaker 1: items we are alleged to have received from the aliens,
30:59
Speaker 1: including a part article beam weapon, and machinery for cloning
31:02
Speaker 1: and synthetic genetic duplication of humans. Sounds cool. Cooper was
31:07
Speaker 1: so convinced that his memories of these files were correct
31:11
Speaker 1: and accurate that he made five hundred and thirty five
31:13
Speaker 1: copies of everything he knew about aliens and sent it
31:17
Speaker 1: to every member of the US House and Senate. It
31:19
Speaker 1: cost him twenty seven thousand dollars in nineteen eighty nine
31:22
Speaker 1: money and almost certainly got him on every government watch
31:26
Speaker 1: list imaginable immediately. Among the stuff he sent them was
31:30
Speaker 1: the species classified a rundown of the various traits of
31:34
Speaker 1: nine different alien races, including the Zeta Reticuli Grays, Small,
31:39
Speaker 1: Orion Grays tall, the Draco mothmen, the Darrels, Taros, and more.
31:45
Speaker 1: His mailing also included an offer to undergo hypnotic regression
31:49
Speaker 1: therapy to prove he wasn't lying. After all, that's how
31:53
Speaker 1: he remembered all this stuff anyway, And then that's when
31:55
Speaker 1: it happened. At the nineteen eighty nine symposium of the
31:59
Speaker 1: Mutual UFO Network Movefon, a guy named William Moore, one
32:03
Speaker 1: of the originators of the Majestic twelve theory, tearfully confessed
32:08
Speaker 1: that he'd colluded with none other than Richard Dody to
32:13
Speaker 1: spread false information to UFO researchers, including a guy named
32:17
Speaker 1: Paul Benowitz, an avid eufoologist who built a high powered
32:22
Speaker 1: antenna on the roof of his New Mexico home to
32:24
Speaker 1: pick up alien transmissions and apparently shit like that might work.
32:29
Speaker 1: Because the government was so concerned about this, they sent
32:33
Speaker 1: William Moore and Richard Dody out to Paul Benowitz to
32:37
Speaker 1: give him fake information that they could use to discredit
32:40
Speaker 1: him later on the off chance he actually heard something
32:43
Speaker 1: real by setting up that high powered antenna. This is
32:46
Speaker 1: an actual quote from William Moore at that Moufon conference.
32:50
Speaker 1: What we're hearing about malevolent aliens, underground bases and secret
32:54
Speaker 1: treaties between the aliens and the US government has its
32:57
Speaker 1: roots in the Benowitz affair. Hmm end quote. Bill Cooper
33:03
Speaker 1: was livid when he heard this. He confronted John Lear
33:06
Speaker 1: to find out who he was really working for, but
33:09
Speaker 1: eventually he calmed down and decided that while the MJ
33:13
Speaker 1: twelve documents were for sure fake and William Moore was
33:16
Speaker 1: definitely a liar, his memories of those files he saw
33:20
Speaker 1: in Admiral Clary's office were still very real, even if
33:24
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of them pertained to a thing he
33:27
Speaker 1: now accepted was not real. Pretty confusing, huh. But despite
33:31
Speaker 1: having the basis of his secret government theory pulled right
33:34
Speaker 1: out from underneath him, Bill Cooper went out and read
33:37
Speaker 1: that secret government theory to the assembled crowd at Moufon anyway,
33:42
Speaker 1: and he powered on with his career as a man
33:44
Speaker 1: committed to telling the truth as best he could remember
33:48
Speaker 1: it under hypnosis. In fact, not long after that first
33:51
Speaker 1: Moufon speech, he added yet another layer to the Lear hypothesis.
33:56
Speaker 1: In Lear's version, a high ranking Edward Air Force Base
33:59
Speaker 1: official is quoted as saying, the Aliens have a device
34:02
Speaker 1: that has recorded all of Earth's history and can display
34:06
Speaker 1: it in the form of a hologram end quote. Bill
34:09
Speaker 1: Cooper added to this bit of lore with a claim
34:12
Speaker 1: that the Aliens showed Majestic Twelve members a hologram of
34:17
Speaker 1: the actual crucifixion of Christ, which they had filmed with
34:21
Speaker 1: a time traveling camera called a chronovisor. Eventually, as you
34:26
Speaker 1: might expect, the UFO community grew suspicious of Bill Cooper
34:31
Speaker 1: and John Lear both, and that includes Jim Spiser, the
34:34
Speaker 1: founder of the Paraanet site where both men first made
34:37
Speaker 1: their name in the ufology field. Spiser feared his site
34:40
Speaker 1: quote was becoming a home for unwed paranoids end quote,
34:44
Speaker 1: and said he couldn't tell whether Cooper was engaging in
34:47
Speaker 1: fantasy role playing or something more sinister. And about John Lear,
34:51
Speaker 1: he said this quote, Lear is known to have been
34:54
Speaker 1: a CIA operative end quote. And you know what, that's
34:56
Speaker 1: all the quote you need. I don't know what else
34:58
Speaker 1: there is to say about a person like John Lee
35:01
Speaker 1: in a situation like this other than He's cia all
35:04
Speaker 1: you really need to know. There was also Don Ecker,
35:06
Speaker 1: who was then research director for UFO magazine, the outlet
35:09
Speaker 1: that broke the Majestic twelve story. Initially, Ecker said Cooper
35:13
Speaker 1: was quote one of the most repellent human beings I
35:16
Speaker 1: had ever had the misfortune to meet during my entire life.
35:20
Speaker 1: You know what, That's harsh. That is pretty harsh. But
35:23
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it didn't really matter
35:25
Speaker 1: that the UFO community turned on Bill Cooper, because, conveniently enough,
35:30
Speaker 1: by around nineteen eighty nine, he didn't even believe UFOs
35:33
Speaker 1: were real anymore. He claims he started suspecting flying saucers
35:37
Speaker 1: didn't come from space that same year when a science's
35:41
Speaker 1: friend visited him at his hotel carrying quote a mysterious
35:44
Speaker 1: briefcase end quote, and that when he opened it, a
35:47
Speaker 1: miniature flying saucer rose out of it under its own power,
35:51
Speaker 1: hovered briefly, and then vanished from sight end quote. The
35:55
Speaker 1: scientist's friend told him that the technology he was seeing
35:58
Speaker 1: was a man made device. It came about as a
36:00
Speaker 1: result of Nazi anti gravity technology brought to the USA
36:05
Speaker 1: by the Third Reich as part of Operation paper Clip.
36:09
Speaker 1: So there's that. But Cooper claimed the thing that really
36:11
Speaker 1: changed his mind about aliens was discovering a nineteen seventeen
36:15
Speaker 1: speech given by psychologist and educator John Dewey. Specifically, it
36:21
Speaker 1: was the opening line that struck Cooper as odd. Here
36:24
Speaker 1: goes someone remarked that the best way to unite all
36:27
Speaker 1: the nations on this globe would be an attack from
36:29
Speaker 1: some other planet. In the face of such an alien enemy,
36:32
Speaker 1: people would respond with a sense of their unity of
36:35
Speaker 1: interest and purpose. So I guess that was the opening
36:38
Speaker 1: two lines. Whatever the case, when Bill Cooper read that,
36:42
Speaker 1: he said he nearly fell out of his chair. It
36:44
Speaker 1: hit him like a sledgehammer right between the eyes. And
36:48
Speaker 1: in the months and years following this revelation, Bill Cooper
36:51
Speaker 1: did his best to own up to his mistake. Here's
36:54
Speaker 1: a quote he told an audience at a convention some
36:58
Speaker 1: fucking wear. For many years, I sincerely believe that an
37:01
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial threat existed, and that it was the most important
37:05
Speaker 1: driving force behind world events. I was wrong, and for
37:08
Speaker 1: that I most deeply and humbly apologize en quote. Now,
37:13
Speaker 1: what's interesting is whether he believed aliens were real or not.
37:17
Speaker 1: There's no denying that without aliens and UFOs Behold a
37:21
Speaker 1: Pale Horse, the book that made Milton William Cooper famous
37:26
Speaker 1: never would have been published. The book was published by
37:28
Speaker 1: Melody Orion Swanson, owner of Light Technology Publishing, which she
37:33
Speaker 1: describes as quote a metaphysical book publisher. She heard about
37:37
Speaker 1: the book from a friend, a spiritualist named Janet McClure,
37:40
Speaker 1: and Janet heard about it from an alien. Here's a
37:43
Speaker 1: quote from Melody Swanson that I'm sure will require no explanation.
37:47
Speaker 1: This comes from the book Pale Horse Rider. By the way,
37:50
Speaker 1: Janet was a founder of the Tibetan Foundation who primarily
37:53
Speaker 1: channeled Vwamous. And again, I'm sure I don't need to
37:56
Speaker 1: tell any of you that Vwamous is an entity who
37:59
Speaker 1: represents the holographic higher self aspect of Sanat Kumara, son
38:04
Speaker 1: of Lord Krishna and head of the spiritual hierarchy of Shambala.
38:08
Speaker 1: I assume you were all mouthing those words with me
38:10
Speaker 1: by the time I got to the end. Here's another quote.
38:12
Speaker 1: Janet told me that she had a session with Vwomis
38:15
Speaker 1: and he was very concerned how much human beings were
38:19
Speaker 1: being controlled and manipulated v Ona miss was aware that
38:22
Speaker 1: Bill had written Behold a Pale Horse. He told Janet
38:25
Speaker 1: that it wasn't the greatest book in the world, but
38:27
Speaker 1: it would help people wake up to the danger. That's
38:30
Speaker 1: why I decided to publish it. End quote worth noting.
38:33
Speaker 1: At least in the book, Pale Horse Rider Melody says
38:37
Speaker 1: she didn't read the book before publishing it, and she
38:39
Speaker 1: still never read the book all these years later. What's
38:42
Speaker 1: ironic about Behold a Pale Horse getting published on the
38:44
Speaker 1: suggestion of a channeled alien named Vwamis is that Bill
38:49
Speaker 1: Cooper hated channelers. Apparently there are two sides to the
38:53
Speaker 1: alien debate, at least there were at the time, the
38:55
Speaker 1: light side and the dark side. On the light side
38:58
Speaker 1: are the channelers, the people who think if you just
39:01
Speaker 1: meditate and focus hard enough, aliens will inevitably show up
39:06
Speaker 1: and be nice to you. And then there's the dark side,
39:08
Speaker 1: which assumes all aliens are monsters bent on enslaving the planet.
39:12
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper was very much on the dark side of
39:14
Speaker 1: the argument, but it was apparently the suggestion of a
39:17
Speaker 1: light side alien that made him famous. Cooper hated those
39:21
Speaker 1: light side aliens so much he threatened to sue one
39:24
Speaker 1: of them once. The alien in question was Giorgo SARAHS. Hutton,
39:28
Speaker 1: a nine foot tall quote space brother end quote, who
39:32
Speaker 1: presented himself as another quote, the commander in chief Earth
39:37
Speaker 1: Project Transition Pleiades Sector Flight Command end quote, had and
39:42
Speaker 1: spoke through a channel named Doris Ecker, a seventy year
39:46
Speaker 1: old grandmother from Tahachapi, California. And when he did, he
39:50
Speaker 1: called Cooper a horrendous tool who needed to realize that
39:54
Speaker 1: he does not control the truth. And Bill Cooper threatened
39:57
Speaker 1: to sue this alien who was channeling his voice through
40:01
Speaker 1: a seventy year old woman. And after he threatened to sue,
40:05
Speaker 1: that alien responded by offering to put Cooper quote under
40:08
Speaker 1: the protections of the white hats of the Cosmos to
40:11
Speaker 1: stand forth in the test and discernment of the truth
40:14
Speaker 1: from Earth speakers end quote. Fucking what whatever that meant.
40:18
Speaker 1: Cooper wasn't impressed and threatened to take his proposed lawsuit
40:22
Speaker 1: against an alien that lived inside the head of a
40:24
Speaker 1: seventy year old woman all the way to the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 1: Here's a quote. This channeling is a complete bullshit, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put a stop to it. In the end,
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Speaker 1: Melody Swanson still credits that other less controversial channeled alien
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Speaker 1: Vwamous with all the success of Behold a Pale Horse.
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Speaker 1: Here's a quote. He said Bill's book would open people's eyes.
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Speaker 1: He turned out to be right about that. You know what,
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Speaker 1: You sure were right about that, Vwamous, even if I'm
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Speaker 1: not sure I'm pronouncing your name correctly. And speaking of
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Speaker 1: that book that opened everyone's eyes. On the next episode,
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Speaker 1: we are going to do a deep, deep into the
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Speaker 1: book itself, Behold a Pale Horse. After that, I think
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Speaker 1: we'll have an episode about Bill Cooper's life and career
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Speaker 1: after Behold a Pale Horse, which is somehow wilder than
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Speaker 1: his book that included one entire chapter that was just
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Speaker 1: the protocols of the Elders of Zion. It somehow gets
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Speaker 1: crazier after that. But in between this and that, we're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the book Behold a Pale Horse.
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Speaker 1: That'll be the next episode. Hey, read it ahead of
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Speaker 1: time if you want. It's a frustrating book. About seventy
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Speaker 1: pages of it are Bill Cooper's writing, and the rest
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Speaker 1: is just him, including documents in their entirety, massive documents
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Speaker 1: sometimes fifty sixty page documents that he says confirm the
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Speaker 1: points he's making in the book. So yeah, next episode,
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Speaker 1: we're going to dig into that book and see if
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Speaker 1: those points still hold up all these years later, See
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Speaker 1: if they's still as influential on my impressionable young mind
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Speaker 1: as they were on my even more impressionable young mind
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Speaker 1: when I was in my twenties. Until then, I think
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here. Follow me on Twitter
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Speaker 1: and Instagram at Adam Todd Brown. Follow the show on
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Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Conspira Pops. And that's all. This
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Speaker 1: is a bonus episode. You don't have to do anything else.
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Speaker 1: You're doing everything I need you to do. I love
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Speaker 1: you so much. All right, let's get out of here.
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Speaker 1: Adams say goodbye. Goodbye, everybody. We love you,