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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 10) (7/6/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with a Leslie Groff interview with Congress.
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  Question and was Glenn Maxwell ever present in the room
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  when mister Epstein was receiving a massage? Answer? I don't know. Question.
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  Did miss Maxwell ever instruct any woman or a girl
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  on how to give mister Epstein a massage? Answer? I
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  don't know. Question. Was anyone else ever present in the
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  room when mister Epstein was receiving a massage? Answer? I
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  don't know. Question. As you testified to earlier, you began
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  working for mister Epstein in two thousand and one. In
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  two thousand and eight, he pleaded guilty to two felony
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  accounts of soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution. We'll
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  get into the details of the investigation much more later,
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  but the investigation into him began in two thousand and
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  five while you were still working for mister Epstein. When
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  did you first learn about the investigation? Answer? I believe
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  it was two thousand and seven. Uestion And how did
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  you learn answer? Because the FBI came to my door
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  in Connecticut and handed to serve me a subpoena. Question
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  and did you speak with them? Did you give testimony
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  to them? Then answer? I let them into my house
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  and sat them on my sofa and they started asking
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  some questions, and yeah, that was it. That was how
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  I found out. Question what questions did they ask? Answer?
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  It was so long ago. I think they just asked
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  if you know they said that they were here. They
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  were very friendly. They just said, you know, we're here
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  because we understand you work for mister Epstein as a
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  secretary and we just want to talk to you. I
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  really don't remember what they said. I think my head
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  was probably spinning. I had no idea Miss Brignac, question,
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  who did you speak to? Next? Answer my son who
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  was with me because he had just gotten up from
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  a nap. He was about two and a half to
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  three years old. And I really didn't know what to do.
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  So I went upstairs and I called Darren Endyke, who
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  is the in house counsel, just to say that people
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  are here. I don't, you know, I don't know what
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  to do. And he just said you should not speak
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  to them without an attorney. And I've watched enough TV
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  to know, okay, So I went downstairs and I said,
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  I don't think I should be speaking to you without
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  an attorney president, and they didn't really like that, and
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  then they left. Question did you in fact retain an attorney? Answer?
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  I did not retain an attorney myself. Mister Epstein got
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  me an attorney, and I went and spoke to him once. Question,
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  when you spoke to mister Indicke, did he seem privy
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  to the investigation? Answer? No, question, it was news to him.
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  Answer it sounded like it was news to him. Yeah,
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  Miss Tolin. Did anyone ever instruct you besides without having
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  an attorney, but did anyone generally instruct you not to
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  talk to the FBI? Answer? No question. And at what
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  point did the massages stop occurring for mister Epstein? Answer
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  when he went to jail? Question in July of two
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  thousand and six. Answer, No, he went to jail. When
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  did he go to jail two thousand and nine, two
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  thousand and eight, Yeah, Brigniak. Did the sssages stop occurring
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  at that time? Miss Graff? Yeah? Question did they resume
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  at any point after he was released from jail? Miss Groff? No?
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  Mister Emmer, what was your understanding of why the massages
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  stopped at that point, Miss Graff, you never said there
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  was no reason, they just stopped. Mister Timmins when he
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  was on work release. Did he not get massages when
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  he was out of jail temporarily, Miss Groff, No, Brignac,
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  I'm sorry, Miss Groff, you said they never resumed, Miss Groff,
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  They did not resume after he got back or when
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  he came got out of jail. Miss Brignac, you never
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  booked a massage for mister Epstein once he was released
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  from prison. Miss Groff, It's possible that there was a
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  massage had a spawn pomp Beach don Wick that we
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  discussed earlier. They had a medical chiropractic care spa, and
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  I think that might have been one time. I think
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  he bought like a package of ten for a nutritionist.
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  They were nutritionists in chiropractic care, and Don was also
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  a registered massuse mister Timmins. So in twenty thirteen, when
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  you moved into the residence and your office was there,
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  he never had you book a massage for him until
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  he died in twenty nineteen, Miss Groff. That's correct, Miss Brignac.
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  But he continued to receive massages? Correct? Did someone else
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  book them, Miss Graff, Not that I know of. I
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  don't know that massages were being booked or made. Brignac,
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  Why would the massages need to cease if that was
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  a regular part of his day? And he said, in fact,
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  he was not guilty, Miss Graff, I don't know. He
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  also stopped drinking tea. Miss Witcombe, you answered the question,
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  Miss Graff. Yeah, Miss Whitcombe, you answered the question, Ms Graff,
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  I don't know. Yeah, Miss Brignac. Did you find it
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  odd that it was a regular part of your practice,
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  the schedule his massages and then it suddenly stopped, Miss Groff? No,
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  Miss Tolan. And now we're just going to ask a
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  few general questions about your role and get into some
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  more details about it. Did you have to sign a
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  non disclosure agreement upon being hired as mister Epstein's secretary? Answer? Yes,
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  question what were the details of this agree? Answer? What
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  I recall is that I was not supposed to discuss
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  any of mister Epstein's clients with anyone, and if I
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  did so, it would be one hundred thousand dollars fee.
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  Question and you understood this to mean his business clients
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  who he managed money for. Answer correct question And how
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  did you know? I know we discussed earlier your knowledge
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  of who clients were, But how did you know who
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  was a client at the time? Answer I believe that
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  NDA might have specifically said las Wexner and then clients
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  and clients. Question but at the time you would have
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  understood who fell into that category? Answer sure, as clients
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  is wealthy clients. Uh huh. Question did you keep a
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  copy of the agreement? Answer? I did not. Question did
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  all the employees of mister Epstein have to sign the agreement? Answer?
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  I don't know. Question did mister Epstein himself ask you
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  to sign the agreement? Answer? No, it was part of onboarding.
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  It was probably redacted, is my bet? Question and you
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  mentioned previously, but can you explain again where you maintain
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  office space while working for him? Answer? Sure? So from
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  two thousand and one to two thousand and nine it
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  was part of Helmsley Palace, part of the Villard House,
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  and I was located in the rear of the suite,
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  directly back from the reception as desk. There was a
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  door to my office and then my desk sitting. If
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  you looked outside the window you could see Saint Patrick's Cathedral.
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  Answer And where did you move to in two thousand
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  and nine? Answer? In two thousand and nine, we moved
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  to three oh one E sixty sixth Street. Answer and
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  how long were you in that office space? Answer? I
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  believe it was two or three years? Question? When did
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  you get moved to that office space? Answer? We were
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  told that the premier location at Helmsley Palace was very
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  expensive location, and since mister Epstein wasn't going to be
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  here anymore, what we needed to we were downsizing and
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  needed to find other space. I don't know why it
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  became three oh one E sixty six Street. Question did
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  you ever work out of the four fifty seven Madison
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  Avenue building? Answer that was Helmsley Place? Yes? Question okay,
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  did you ever? Timmins jumps in? Real quick? Can I
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  get back to something? So it's my understanding that Epstein
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  had a massage every day for his entire life, but
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  after he got out of jail, you never booked a
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  massage therapist. Did you book the eight assistants for an hour?
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  And did just say name hour or what he was
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  getting massage? So like? And you were in charge of
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  his schedule so what was going on? I mean, did
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  you book a redacted ten am for an hour? Graf? No, Timmins, No,
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  Graff no, Timmins. Okay. He got a massage for every
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  day of his life. So when after twenty ten, when
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  he got out of jail, when when did that happen?
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  I mean, if you do a schedule, Graf, when did
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  it stop? Timmins, He was getting them. The question is
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  who was giving them to him? If you were not
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  coordinating it? So how did he who was doing it?
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  Mister Wickham jumps in? Was there someone else coordinating mister Timmins.
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  Was there like a logical spot in his schedule on
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  a regular basis that used to have a massage that
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  now has something else? A pattern? Backner? Maybe if you
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  ask I don't know if we ask her if she
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  knew he was getting massages? Timmins okay, Graff, Yeah, Timmins.
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  Was there a pattern in the schedule that would suggest
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  that there was a moment in his day on a
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  regular basis that he was getting a massage since you
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  stopped scheduling them, Graff No, Timmins, okay, sorry, Back to
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  miss Tolan and then just a few more office questions
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  did you ever work out of the Palm Beach home?
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  Answer no question, did you? And did you mentioned an
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  office space in Manhattan town home later on? Answer later
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  on yes. Question And aside from scheduling massages, can you
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  describe your other roles and responsibilities as mister Epstein's secretary?
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  Answer sure. I scheduled his business meetings. I scheduled breakfast, lunch, dinner.
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  If he was going to have a party, I might
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  coordinate with that. I coordinated with this staff, all the
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  homes on his island. I coordinated with his pilots. I
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  would sometimes coordinate trips to say a TED conference. I
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  would the call list, as I said, was very extensive.
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  He would make calls every day. And yeah. Question and
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  also aside from the massages, did you ever spend money
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  or provide cash on behalf of mister Epstein during your
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  time as his secretary to anyone? Answer no question. Did
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  you ever help order or purchase gifts for anyone on
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  behalf of mister Epstein? Answer no question. And I'm just
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  going to answer some more clarifying questions about purchasing gifts.
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  Miss Backner, Could I have one word with her? Tolan? Yeah,
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  they go off the record. Now they're back on MS Graff. Yeah, okay,
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  I was going to say sorry after you asked that,
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  I would say that I definitely coordinated about forty people
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  to receive Apple watches, and you know I might be
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  asked to buy the gift card for Kathy Ruhmler to
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  a SPA something like that, Miss Tolan. Question what were
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  the Apple watches for? Answer? I think that were Christmas gifts?
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  Holiday gifts. That was about There was a list of
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  about forty people, men and women, high profile people on there,
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  and mister Epstein just wanted to give everybody a watch
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  for Christmas. Question do you recall any of the names
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  who received watches? Answer? I do. I was one of them.
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  Steve Bannon was one of them. Jojo and Lynn I
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  believe were on there. I don't recall who else. Question
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  what year was that? Answer? I think that was twenty eighteen.
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  Question and did you ever purchase any gifts for any
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  of mister Epstein's assistants? Answer I don't think so. Question
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  did you purchase gifts for any other woman associated with
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  mister Epstein? Answer? I know Kathy Rumler got a gift
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  card at Christmas time. I recall getting Leon Black's assistant.
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  I think she got a spot card. Question did you
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  ever purchase lingerie for women associated with mister Epstein? Answer
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  no question. What about flowers? Answer Kathy Rumler might have
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  received flowers. What about chocolates? Answer not that I recall,
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  Miss Brignac. What was his relationship with Kathy Rumler? Answer business? Yes,
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  they were. From what I could tell, it was a
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  business relationship. Question it seemed like a business relationship after
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  he was sending flowers and SPA appointments. Answer. I think
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  he thought of her as very professional, and he was
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  very generous, and I think he found her. She was
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  very busy and probably enjoyed some flowers on her birthday
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  or a SPA gift card. Question was there any office
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  gossip about their relationship? Answer no? Question did you wear
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  any rumors about their relationship? Answer no? Mister Emmer? What
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  was her job during this period? Answer by miss Groff?
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  She was an attorney? Emmer. Do you know? Gets cut
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  off by Groff. I don't know exactly, but I knew
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  her to be an attorney, Miss Tolan, And you said
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  mister Epstein knew her. Their relationship was strictly business. What
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  kind of business were they engaging in together. Can you elaborate,
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  Miss Groff, I don't know. He did not talk to
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  me about that. Mister Backner, can I ask ask for
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  another question? Goes off the record? Back on Miss Brignac,
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  and you add access to mister Epstein's personal email accounts.
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  Did you see any conversations about miss Rumler's job position.
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  Ms Groff, I did not have access to his personal
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  email account. I mean I would email them, but I
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  didn't see his emails, Miss Brignac, were uc Seed on
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  any emails at reference Roomler's profession? Groff, I don't recall
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  Emmer in relation to Rumler. The Committee's interested in how
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  mister Epstein may have surrounded himself with influential individuals to
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  curry favor. Did you understand Rumler to be an individual
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  that was working at the White House during the period
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  that you had been scheduling their meetings, ms Groff, I
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  thought you worked at the White House prior to mister
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  Epstein's meeting. Mister Emmer, thank you. All right. We're going
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  to wrap up right here and in the next episode
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  dealing with the topic, We're going to pick up where
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  we left off. All the information that goes with This
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