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Ghost Taints Of The Superstition Mountains · Cosmic Peach

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Speaker 3: What would you like to see on a t-shirt? What
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Speaker 3: be fun. Again, thanks for joining me today. Thank you
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Speaker 3: Thanks for being born and I hope you enjoy what
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Speaker 3: I got in store for you today. It's going to
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Speaker 3: be a little bit of a reaction video. I haven't
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Speaker 3: done one of these in a while, but it was
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Speaker 3: too good to pass up. I was randomly just for
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Speaker 3: my own personal viewing pleasure, not really necessarily looking for
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Speaker 3: a topic or anything. I follow this paranormal channel and
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Speaker 3: an old video of theirs popped up and I hadn't
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Speaker 3: watched it before and it was about this mountain range
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Speaker 3: and I've talked about mountain ranges before and canyons and
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Speaker 3: how they hold this weird supernatural energy but I thought
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Speaker 3: it was weird that a paranormal group would be investigating
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Speaker 3: a mountain range. So I clicked on it And it
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Speaker 3: happened to be this superstition mountain or superstitious mountain range.
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Speaker 3: Something like that. And I actually was not very familiar
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Speaker 3: with the mountain range. They were looking for ghosts. They
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Speaker 3: were looking for ghouls. They were looking for goblins. It's
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Speaker 3: your classic run-of-the-mill paranormal investigation. You know, they're looking for
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Speaker 3: creeps and they're looking for shadow figures and whatever they
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Speaker 3: went and investigated some some old goldfield hotel and just
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Speaker 3: happened to be by the superstitious mountain range and decided
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Speaker 3: to go check it out that's all good and fine
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Speaker 3: and maybe there's some some critters and some creeps out
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Speaker 3: there and they got a uvp or two but that's
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Speaker 3: not why i want to share this with you they
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Speaker 3: happened upon a completely random tour guide, I guess you
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Speaker 3: would say, uh, uh, a guy that they paid to
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Speaker 3: show them up the trail and to the mountain range
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Speaker 3: and out of fucking nowhere, he starts dropping some real
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Speaker 3: ass conspiracy stuff, stuff that there was no way these
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Speaker 3: average Joe paranormal researchers were ready for. There is no way. See,
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Speaker 3: why can't I find just some, it's like, oh, we'll
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Speaker 3: hire a tour guide. And oh, he turns out to
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Speaker 3: be kind of a good looking guy. And he knows
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Speaker 3: all this conspiracy stuff. Like rando people out in the
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Speaker 3: world just dropping hot, fresh conspiracy. No, I haven't found
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Speaker 3: one yet. But they just stumbled upon this tour guide.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they paid him. I don't know what the fuck
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Speaker 3: they did with him. They hired him. They just thought
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Speaker 3: he was a run-of-the-mill tour guide who was going to
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Speaker 3: take them up to the mountain range and let them
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Speaker 3: try to record an EVP or two. Instead, it starts
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Speaker 3: off with... maybe he, he's a little bit nervous to
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Speaker 3: drop the big bombs on him at first, but he,
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Speaker 3: he ends up dropping all the bombs. He's like, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, this is a really creepy mountain range. And, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, I wouldn't come out here alone if I
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Speaker 3: were you. And then, you know, he kind of backs
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Speaker 3: off a little bit. And the, the paranormal guy, the
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Speaker 3: investigator guy, he was like, well, tell us about it.
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Speaker 3: Like what's going on? Like, uh, He's thinking these guys
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Speaker 3: are out there looking for ghosts. Okay. They're not, they're
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Speaker 3: not expecting what this tour guide just, he opens up
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Speaker 3: Pandora's box and just lets it all out. And I
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Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck? I was not expecting this whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Totally random tour guide ends up being a full blown
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theorist, but I really didn't know anything about this
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Speaker 3: mountain range. Apparently it's in Arizona. And I just wanted
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Speaker 3: to play for you and get some reactions here to
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Speaker 3: this tour guide. Just totally random, like I said. And
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Speaker 3: just dropping straight wisdom on these paranormal investigators. Because, you know,
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Speaker 3: there's this fine line people walk where it's like you're
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Speaker 3: a paranormal investigator or you're a conspiracy theorist. And they
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Speaker 3: don't play well together sometimes because... Even though you have
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Speaker 3: a group of individuals who hunt ghosts in their spare time.
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Speaker 3: And they believe in this nether realm where there's all
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Speaker 3: these Victorian dudes dressed in bow ties with dust on
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Speaker 3: their taints that haunt hotels. And they believe that that's
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Speaker 3: all fine and good, but... don't bring something like McMartin
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Speaker 3: to their doorstep. Don't bring the Franklin scandal to their
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Speaker 3: doorstep because they're like, oh, that's crazy conspiracy stuff. And
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Speaker 3: so it's interesting to me how the paranormal world doesn't
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Speaker 3: always necessarily get along with the conspiracy world, but Luckily
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Speaker 3: for you, I'm a little bit of both. I like
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Speaker 3: talking about supernatural. I like talking about interdimensional and all
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Speaker 3: of that stuff. You know, I don't think ghosts are
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Speaker 3: what people think that they are. You know, I am
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Speaker 3: a Christian. I like to talk religion. I like to
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Speaker 3: talk conspiracy, obviously, and I like to talk paranormal. So,
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Speaker 3: I honestly opened this video up thinking, oh, it's going
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Speaker 3: to be like some ghost adventure stuff, but we'll see
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Speaker 3: what shakes loose. It's a weird mountain range, but ends
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Speaker 3: up being that the tour guide saved the whole entire
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Speaker 3: video just dropping bomb after bomb. But without further ado,
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to open up the clip here and
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Speaker 3: we'll Listen to it and talk about it together. Hang
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Speaker 3: on just a second, people. All right, people. Again, this
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Speaker 3: is coming from a paranormal group out there looking for
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Speaker 3: ghost taints. So they're going to set it up for us.
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Speaker 3: They're going to talk about the ghost taints for a second.
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Speaker 3: And then we're going to meet the tour guide. And
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Speaker 3: he just totally takes the cake. But without further ado,
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Speaker 3: roll on one.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you as a professional guide. As a hunter,
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Speaker 2: as a botanist who goes out looking for plants in
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Speaker 2: Indian ruins, this is the one mountain range I will
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Speaker 2: not go into alone.
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Speaker 4: On the outskirts of Phoenix, Arizona, sits the infamous Superstition
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Speaker 4: Mountain Range, a grouping of massive peaks and landforms which
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Speaker 4: have come to be known as some of the most
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Speaker 4: haunted and most dangerous in the entire United States. While
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Speaker 4: we were wrapping up our series of paranormal investigations in Arizona,
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Speaker 4: we knew for a fact that we had to stop
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Speaker 4: by the Superstitions to see just how haunted they were
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Speaker 4: for ourselves. When we got into town for our investigation
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Speaker 4: that night, we met up with Corey, a local professional
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Speaker 4: guide who specializes in taking people hiking throughout various wildlife
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Speaker 4: areas in Arizona, and we headed into the Superstitions Wilderness.
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Speaker 4: It's definitely a spooky walk, even in the daytime. The
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Speaker 4: way that the land feels, how it speaks to you
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Speaker 4: as you head down the twisting paths, and the power
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Speaker 4: that the area has is indescribable. It's a very spiritual,
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Speaker 4: yet also frightening experience. Corey is an insanely knowledgeable guide
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Speaker 4: who researches the paranormal world as a side gig, and
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Speaker 4: knows a thing or two about the animal and plant
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Speaker 4: life in these areas. For example, check out right here
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Speaker 4: as he grabs a prickly pear cactus, lights it on
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Speaker 4: fire to singe the needles off, and peels it back
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Speaker 4: to give us a taste of the desert fruit. It
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Speaker 4: was pretty insane how knowledgeable Corey was, and the fruit
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Speaker 4: was pretty tasty. As we made our way back to
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Speaker 4: a good vantage point where we could see the mountains
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Speaker 4: and conduct our interview, I couldn't help but notice the
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Speaker 4: stifling feel of the environment around the superstitions. Something was off.
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Speaker 4: I could feel it in my chest. This area has
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Speaker 4: seen some crazy negative events in the past, and I'm
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Speaker 4: sure it will see even more in the future. I
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Speaker 4: guarantee that what Cory is about to tell you will
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Speaker 4: blow your mind.
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Speaker 2: So why don't you introduce yourself?
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Speaker 4: You can look right at the camera and then you
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Speaker 4: got it.
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Speaker 2: I'm Cory Daniel, professional guide down here out of Phoenix, Arizona.
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Speaker 1: What else?
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Speaker 2: I don't know where to go. Where do you want
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Speaker 2: to go? I'm Cory Daniel, professional guide down here in Phoenix,
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Speaker 2: Arizona with the Paranormal Files and we are standing on
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Speaker 2: the northwest edge of the Superstition Mountain Range. What you're
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Speaker 2: looking at here in the background is five interconnecting volcanic
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Speaker 2: calderas which are underground volcanic systems which exploded or formed
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Speaker 2: more probably a dome about 28 to 30 million years
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Speaker 2: ago and they used about three times higher than they
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Speaker 2: are now they have worn down over the years back
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Speaker 2: when this was blowing up for about five to eight
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Speaker 2: million years geologists believe this whole area was uninhabitable there
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Speaker 2: was just gas and clouds and ash everywhere These cliffs
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Speaker 2: you're seeing right behind me are welded tough and tough.
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Speaker 2: The Superstition Mountain Range is agreed upon by all geologists
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Speaker 2: to be probably the most vicious and roughest mountain range
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Speaker 2: in the lower 48 states. It is not a place
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Speaker 2: to be taken lightly. There are deaths up here regularly
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Speaker 2: every year from hikers, and that does not include the murders.
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Speaker 2: It does not include the mysterious disappearances dating all the
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Speaker 2: way back to the days of the Jesuits, and that's
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Speaker 2: why we're talking with the paranormal files today. Everything in
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Speaker 2: the Superstition Mountains centers around Apaches and gold. And it's
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Speaker 2: ironic because there's never been any gold found in this
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Speaker 2: mountain range. In fact, geologists say that this type of
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Speaker 2: rock formation does not allow for gold. There's been gold
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Speaker 2: all the way around it. If you go off to
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Speaker 2: the west, we'll be at Goldfield in a little bit here,
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Speaker 2: there is fields of gold. It's called Goldfield. And they
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Speaker 2: mine gold there. One of the richest gold mines in
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Speaker 2: the entire state historically has been in that little town,
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Speaker 2: the ghost town that we're going to be in. If
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Speaker 2: you go to the other side, the town of Superior,
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Speaker 2: Globe in Miami, Miami, Arizona, not Florida. There's gold all
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Speaker 2: through there and copper and other heavy metals as well,
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Speaker 2: silver and some other stuff. But nothing really in the
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Speaker 2: mountain range. That being said, the stories and the hunters
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Speaker 2: and the gold hunters and treasure hunters have been coming
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Speaker 2: out here for hundreds and hundreds of years. This mountain
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Speaker 2: range has been, it's gone by dozens of names. Today
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Speaker 2: it's called the Superstitions. If you're a local, you know
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Speaker 2: it as the Supes. If you want to sound like
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Speaker 2: a Phoenician from Phoenix, we call them the Supes. It's
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Speaker 2: had dozens and dozens of names depending on who was
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Speaker 2: living here at the time. The Apaches knew this mountain
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Speaker 2: range as the abode of the thunder gods, and they
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Speaker 2: still refer to it as that. This mountain range, for
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Speaker 2: some reason, and the geologists and the climatologists don't know,
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Speaker 2: it makes weather. During the monsoon seasons and even for
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Speaker 2: the winter rains, our rains are split in two, January, February,
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Speaker 2: and then July and August. Four months of drought on
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Speaker 2: both sides. These mountain ranges can be completely full of weather.
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Speaker 2: And when it does, being a volcanic drainage, a decomposing caldera,
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Speaker 2: you get floods coming out of Boulder Canyon, Peralta Canyon.
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Speaker 2: I mean crazy floods. And that's the flood that actually
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Speaker 2: wiped out the town of Goldfield, where we're going to
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Speaker 2: be at later, back in, I want to say, 1898.
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Speaker 2: And it filled up. It flooded out the entire town
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Speaker 2: and filled up all the passages and scrambled all the
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Speaker 2: gold and the mines. They had to shut it down.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't get back to the gold again. So it's
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Speaker 2: a treacherous mountain range. I'll tell you as a professional guide,
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Speaker 2: as a hunter, as a botanist who goes looking for
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Speaker 2: plants in Indian ruins, this is the one mountain range
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Speaker 2: I will not go into alone. I have extremely healthy
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Speaker 2: respect for this mountain range. I backpack solo and backcountry
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Speaker 2: off trail as a minimalist and I don't go in
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Speaker 2: here alone. There are people who have hiked these mountains.
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Speaker 3: See, this is where I thought he was going to
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Speaker 3: get into like some ghost shit and be like, because
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Speaker 3: it's haunted and there's fucking the dead taints of all
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Speaker 3: the Apaches and there are ghosts, so come for it.
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Speaker 3: And no, he goes straight ass conspiracy style for the
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Speaker 3: rest of the fucking interview. And it's like crazy stuff
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Speaker 3: that he said. He's just a random ass dude. And
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Speaker 3: he's got like this wealth of information. Anyways, let's continue.
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Speaker 2: For years and years, and one day just wind up dead.
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Speaker 2: The gold stories that permeate this entire mountain range all
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Speaker 2: center around the Peralta family. Peralta was down here in
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Speaker 2: the mid-1800s. He supposedly found a mine. Well, he didn't
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Speaker 2: find a mine. He found gold, and he was mining
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Speaker 2: it right back, if you can see that little peak
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Speaker 2: right back in there in the foreground, just over that,
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Speaker 2: that is Massacre Grounds. And Massacre Grounds is where Peralta's men,
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Speaker 2: allegedly 400 of them, died. They were massacred by the Apaches.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, the Apache called this the Abode of
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Speaker 2: the Thunder Gods. It is equivalent to a church to them,
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Speaker 2: and they wanted Peralta out of here. He would not leave.
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Speaker 2: He even informed them that they were all no longer Apache,
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Speaker 2: but they were now Mexicans, to which they laughed at,
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Speaker 2: and the war was on. While this is the story,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of historians will tell this story, There's
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Speaker 2: no actual proof, and it's one of those weird things.
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Speaker 2: There's no hard copy on that. People have looked and
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Speaker 2: looked and looked. However, people have a lot of paranormal
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Speaker 2: experiences right back in there on the massacred grounds. Apparently,
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Speaker 2: 398 people, as the story goes, were massacred there. Two
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Speaker 2: jumped over the mountain and ran back to Mexico, and
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Speaker 2: one made it and told the stories. They tried to
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Speaker 2: get the Mexican government to come back up and start
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Speaker 2: mining again, but the Mexican-American War was going on at
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Speaker 2: the time and 12 years later the Gadsden Purchase happened
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Speaker 2: and this became part of the US territories. During that fight,
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Speaker 2: during that massacre, there were about 80 to 100 mules
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Speaker 2: that had saddles on and they had gold concentrate in them.
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Speaker 2: Those mules ran out into the desert and they were
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Speaker 2: never seen again. They believed the Apaches found the mules,
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Speaker 2: ate them or sold them and took all that gold
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Speaker 2: and piled it up. They didn't really know What to
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Speaker 2: do with it? Gold, they knew, was valuable to the
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Speaker 2: white people. There is confirmation from Dr. Thorne years later,
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Speaker 2: but to skip to the end of the story here,
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Speaker 2: when the U.S. Calvary came over during the Apache Wars,
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Speaker 2: they started finding, a couple people found some actual saddlebags,
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Speaker 2: and it did confirm the story. Two were found, definitely,
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Speaker 2: and about another nine or 12, allegedly, people retired on it,
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Speaker 2: and then this became killing fields. I believe there is
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Speaker 2: a book yet to be written about psychopaths and psychopathy
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Speaker 2: in the Old West. You know, we romanticize about the
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Speaker 2: cowboys and the Indians, about the gambling and the shootouts
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Speaker 2: and the law enforcement, but what you never hear about
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Speaker 2: are the dregs of society that went west, that got
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Speaker 2: pushed west on the frontier where there was no law
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Speaker 2: to where they could dry-gulch anyone and take their wagon
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Speaker 2: and their horse and just commit murders willy-nilly. It was
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Speaker 2: well known back eastern that time that there was gold
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Speaker 2: up in these mountains and bags of it laying all
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Speaker 2: over the place. And there's a lot of evidence that
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Speaker 2: people were coming out here just bushwhacking people left and right.
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Speaker 2: They found some bones not too long ago over that
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Speaker 2: other hill on the other side of that mountain. And
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Speaker 2: they think it may have been part of the Peralta massacre,
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Speaker 2: but they're not sure. They've been finding headless people in here.
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Speaker 2: Bodies minus heads. And then they'll find the head months
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Speaker 2: later or years later, like wedged in a crack, you know,
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Speaker 2: on some cliff 10 miles away, right? The primary story
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Speaker 2: that these mountain ranges, that this mountain range... delivers to
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Speaker 2: us is that of Jacob Waltz in The Lost Dutchman.
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Speaker 2: He was a Prussian. He wasn't a Dutchman. He was
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Speaker 2: actually Prussian. He came out here and his girlfriend at
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Speaker 2: the time, Ken T, she was an Apache. She showed
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Speaker 2: him something up here. Whether she showed him a mine
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Speaker 2: or Jesuit gold or the bags of the gold, we
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Speaker 2: don't know. But those two are pulling gold out of here.
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Speaker 2: Where that mine was, we don't know because Jacob Waltz
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Speaker 2: took that knowledge to his death. On his deathbed, he
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Speaker 2: allegedly said that the entrance to his mine is where
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Speaker 2: the shadow of Weaver's Needle is cast at 4 o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the afternoon. People have been looking with ground-penetrating radar
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Speaker 2: where the shadow is with the sun on every day
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Speaker 2: of the year. People have been at this for 100
21:52
Speaker 2: years looking for this thing. No one's ever found it.
21:55
Speaker 2: So that's the primary story that surrounds about 300 books,
21:59
Speaker 2: documentaries written about that lost gold story. And if you're
22:03
Speaker 2: chasing gold, this is a great place to tear up
22:06
Speaker 2: boots and kill horses out here because it's a very,
22:08
Speaker 2: very rugged mountain range. There have been people looking for
22:12
Speaker 2: this gold mine ever since about 1891, 1892, just after
22:17
Speaker 2: Jacob Waltz died. And that's when the headless people come in.
22:22
Speaker 2: Like I said, there's famous stories. I'm not going to
22:25
Speaker 2: get into all of them here. There's books dedicated to
22:27
Speaker 2: the people who have come out here from the East
22:29
Speaker 2: looking for this gold mine. only to have their bodies
22:32
Speaker 2: found later minus a head. So those stories are everywhere.
22:36
Speaker 2: This is the roughest mountain range in the lower 48
22:38
Speaker 2: states and it has a hell of a story in
22:42
Speaker 2: terms of deaths surrounding it. A lot of people believe,
22:44
Speaker 2: and I heard this today, I was listening to some
22:48
Speaker 2: older videos about this mountain range, they believe that there's
22:51
Speaker 2: still a society of either Pima or Apache, I've heard
22:54
Speaker 2: it was the Apache, that still protect this mountain range,
22:57
Speaker 2: a small society that protects it physically by killing people
23:01
Speaker 2: who get too close to the caves. Today's story I
23:06
Speaker 2: heard was from a gentleman related to Jesse James down there. Actually,
23:09
Speaker 2: he works there. He did work down there at Goldfield.
23:11
Speaker 2: He said it was the Pima, but I don't know.
23:13
Speaker 2: The gold doesn't interest me much as a researcher and
23:17
Speaker 2: as a child of the desert down here. It's the
23:21
Speaker 2: occultic side, personally, and I search out the ancient stories.
23:26
Speaker 2: There are stories of caves Caves, caves, caves in this
23:29
Speaker 2: entire mountain range. And some of those stories center around
23:34
Speaker 2: people like the Phoenix Herald back in the 1800s had
23:38
Speaker 2: a story about a gentleman who was up here chasing
23:41
Speaker 2: horses and he was up on the side of a
23:43
Speaker 2: hill and he went into a cave and he found
23:47
Speaker 2: copper axes and he found the bones of about seven giants,
23:53
Speaker 2: people about eight to 10 feet tall, right?
23:56
Speaker 3: This is where we're really going to get into it,
23:59
Speaker 3: because if you remember that Naughty Dotty Nala Pala Valley
24:08
Speaker 3: that I covered about the Headless Men, they also had
24:12
Speaker 3: giant stories. And this was from Canada or some fucking
24:17
Speaker 3: where like that.
24:17
Speaker 4: Okay?
24:19
Speaker 3: The Valley of the Headless Men is... is surrounded by
24:24
Speaker 3: giant stories. Now, what's this fucking guy saying? He's coming
24:28
Speaker 3: out of the woodwork. He's just a tour guide, and
24:30
Speaker 3: he knows about this stuff. They're finding headless people in Arizona,
24:37
Speaker 3: and their heads are taking miles away, and there's giant stories.
24:43
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, people.
24:45
Speaker 2: If you follow this genre of research, all the Native
24:50
Speaker 2: Americans have stories of giants, as well as little people.
24:52
Speaker 2: But it's the giants down here in the southwest that
24:54
Speaker 2: is the big one. Whether it's the Gila, the Apache
24:58
Speaker 2: called them the Guindipids, right? The Hopi talk about them
25:00
Speaker 2: and they all factor into the creation story. But he
25:03
Speaker 2: says that there are definitely caves with giants' bones in
25:07
Speaker 2: them up in there. There was another story David Hatcher
25:11
Speaker 2: Childress told in one of his last books. He had
25:15
Speaker 2: a friend named Robert who lived in Sedona. And that
25:18
Speaker 2: gentleman was up here in this mountain range and He
25:21
Speaker 2: found a cave with his friend, and it went down
25:23
Speaker 2: a spiral staircase. It was hand-hewn rock. It was hand-carved.
25:28
Speaker 2: They went down and found another chamber deep into the ground.
25:33
Speaker 2: There was another story later on about some people up
25:36
Speaker 2: on the side of, I think it's LaBarge Canyon or
25:38
Speaker 2: Boulder Canyon, I'm not sure, where they talk about finding
25:41
Speaker 2: a cave up on the side. And they go in
25:44
Speaker 2: this little fissure. And this room opens up. I believe
25:47
Speaker 2: there were six gentlemen on this expedition. The room fit five,
25:50
Speaker 2: and one guy looked at another fissure in the back,
25:52
Speaker 2: and he saw a crystal or a glass skull shoved
25:55
Speaker 2: in it. They couldn't get back to it. They tried
25:57
Speaker 2: to dynamite it. It didn't work. They decided just to
25:59
Speaker 2: leave it and seal it back up. So these stories
26:02
Speaker 2: are all through here. You can go the route of
26:04
Speaker 2: the portals, right? You say portals, and people think that
26:07
Speaker 2: you're crazy. But the Native Americans believe them. Every single
26:11
Speaker 2: tribe talks about portals opening up to the other side.
26:15
Speaker 2: especially down here in this part of Arizona. Most natives
26:20
Speaker 2: up north will tell you about their star brothers and
26:22
Speaker 2: their star sisters. They're not shy. You won't find a
26:24
Speaker 2: native tribe that doesn't believe in aliens, that we were
26:27
Speaker 2: actually seeded here. Most of my native friends will tell
26:29
Speaker 2: you that we were seeded from another race. But down here,
26:33
Speaker 2: there's portals. You guys heard of Mount Graham up there?
26:38
Speaker 2: Mount Graham, on top of Mount Graham in southern Arizona,
26:41
Speaker 2: outside of Tucson, is the largest observatory In the state.
26:46
Speaker 2: You know who owns that? The Vatican. And there's a
26:49
Speaker 2: lens up there called the Lucifer lens. Can't make this up. L-U-C-I-F-E-R.
26:54
Speaker 2: And that stands for a long range infrared extra whatever.
26:58
Speaker 2: They had to make it fit. It is, yeah. That
27:03
Speaker 2: mountain range was sacred. That mountain, Mount Graham, was sacred
27:06
Speaker 2: to the Apache. And when they went in there in conjunction,
27:10
Speaker 2: the Vatican, with U of A down there to put
27:12
Speaker 2: this in, They actually went to court. The Apache said, no,
27:17
Speaker 2: you're not going to be up there doing this. This
27:19
Speaker 2: is one of our sacred mountains. The Vatican put resources
27:23
Speaker 2: and money and battled them in court for years. And
27:26
Speaker 2: they won. I mean, if you go up against the Vatican,
27:28
Speaker 2: you're probably going to lose, right? They've got pretty good lawyers,
27:30
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
27:31
Speaker 1: And.
27:32
Speaker 2: They definitely lost, and they built that up there. The
27:35
Speaker 2: Apaches say it's because it is a center for power,
27:38
Speaker 2: and they wanted that location for that astronomy, whatever the
27:42
Speaker 2: Vatican is into up here. You've got another mountain range
27:45
Speaker 2: off to the, you can't see it from here, off
27:48
Speaker 2: to the southwest corner of Phoenix. It's called the Sierra
27:53
Speaker 2: de las Estrellas, the Mountain of the Stars. And that
27:57
Speaker 2: one features prominently with stars. stories of the Pima and
28:01
Speaker 2: the Gila tribes talking about portals opening up. They say
28:06
Speaker 2: the gods used to come through. They would communicate with
28:08
Speaker 2: people back and forth. I'll tell you a story. When
28:10
Speaker 2: I was cowboying in the western part of the state,
28:12
Speaker 2: a little town called Wickiup, I met a gentleman by
28:16
Speaker 2: the name of Jim Miller. He was an old prospector.
28:20
Speaker 2: He was old when I met him. And he told
28:22
Speaker 2: me that sometime in the mid-80s, a gentleman came through
28:25
Speaker 2: who used to prospect in those mountains around Wickiup, Arizona
28:31
Speaker 2: back in the fifties. This guy just got out of
28:32
Speaker 2: the VA hospital back then, apparently. This older guy was
28:36
Speaker 2: old as well. And he said that he used to
28:39
Speaker 2: run a mule and walk up into the Aquarius mountain
28:42
Speaker 2: range right there. And right in the wash, right in,
28:44
Speaker 2: I believe, the Sycamore Wash, he said he would see
28:47
Speaker 2: this portal open right there, right at ground level. And
28:50
Speaker 2: he'd throw rocks into it and it would disappear. That's
28:53
Speaker 2: what happened. He said he was getting the courage to
28:55
Speaker 2: jump through it, and he never did. He had a
28:57
Speaker 2: plan to tie a rope down to a chicken and
29:00
Speaker 2: throw it in there and pull it back. If it
29:01
Speaker 2: came out all messed up, he was going to go through,
29:03
Speaker 2: but it never opened after he got the courage. Damn.
29:06
Speaker 2: These stories are out here. If you talk to people enough,
29:09
Speaker 2: especially the older people, they'll tell you these stories. Native
29:12
Speaker 2: Americans will talk about this stuff all day long. So,
29:15
Speaker 2: I don't know. This mountain also factors into the creation story.
29:21
Speaker 2: Every Native American out here, obviously every people have their
29:24
Speaker 2: own creation story. But the ones out here all center
29:27
Speaker 2: around giants and floods. And all these crags you see
29:31
Speaker 2: up here on the western cliff, how good the light
29:33
Speaker 2: is right now, but those are supposed to be the
29:36
Speaker 2: frozen giants, the people who froze on their way up
29:42
Speaker 2: to the top during that last flood so I don't
29:46
Speaker 2: know it's a this story this mountain range has got
29:48
Speaker 2: a lot of stories um recently in the 80s I
29:51
Speaker 2: forget the lady's name if I get it some of
29:54
Speaker 2: these things get mixed up in my head after a
29:55
Speaker 2: while but it was there Arizona Wilder or a Catherine
29:58
Speaker 2: something She says that she was up Boulder Canyon, right
30:01
Speaker 2: up in there, and she was rockhounding. And she went
30:06
Speaker 2: into a cave, and on her way out of the cave,
30:08
Speaker 2: she says a reptilian stepped out. Bipedal reptilian, humanoid-looking thing,
30:13
Speaker 2: I mean, you know. And it flashed a light at her,
30:16
Speaker 2: and she woke up on a table in a craft,
30:18
Speaker 2: she assumed. And she was taken advantage of, and it's
30:22
Speaker 2: on the internet. You can go check it out. She
30:24
Speaker 2: swears by the story. She's been telling it for 35,
30:26
Speaker 2: 40 years now. That story is out here.
30:29
Speaker 4: So what do you think it is behind the mountains
30:31
Speaker 4: that makes it so, I don't know, so many stories
30:35
Speaker 4: about it? What do you think causes that?
30:38
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. As a researcher, I hate
30:42
Speaker 2: to jump to conclusions and say I think it's this.
30:46
Speaker 2: I know that there are paranormal anomalies that never end,
30:50
Speaker 2: from the days of the Jesuits to the Spanish to
30:53
Speaker 2: the Mexican to the Indians to the Americans. Things have happened.
30:55
Speaker 2: This mountain range has always been at the focal point.
30:58
Speaker 2: I know the government came in and turned it into
31:00
Speaker 2: a state wilderness. Now I got theories on that out west, right?
31:04
Speaker 2: America was filling up and you got the National Park
31:07
Speaker 2: Service in 1919, right? Oh, I see, 1912. The Grand
31:12
Speaker 2: Canyon became a park in 1919. That's the big one.
31:15
Speaker 2: But you have Yellowstone, Yosemite, all these places where paranormal
31:18
Speaker 2: activity happens, right? I don't know if you've been following
31:21
Speaker 2: that guy on the internet talking about missing people, 411.
31:25
Speaker 2: National parks. And if you are a government and you
31:28
Speaker 2: are controlling a phenomenon, what better way than to put
31:31
Speaker 2: it under the jurisdiction of the government? This became a
31:34
Speaker 2: state wilderness. Arizona has wildernesses, okay? We have state monuments
31:39
Speaker 2: and state parks, national monuments and national parks, and we
31:42
Speaker 2: have wildernesses. And these are really special areas. I think
31:45
Speaker 2: we've got like 60 of them here. Only a man
31:47
Speaker 2: or a woman can go into a wilderness on foot
31:50
Speaker 2: with a horse. No motorized vehicles, can't even hang glide
31:53
Speaker 2: over them. The only time you can put a chopper
31:55
Speaker 2: in there is for a medical evac. So they are completely,
31:59
Speaker 2: completely primitive. Even when the Forest Service comes in to
32:02
Speaker 2: do work on the trails, it's all saw and axes.
32:06
Speaker 2: They're not even allowed to use any electric or motorized
32:10
Speaker 2: stuff at all. So they are protecting these areas, and
32:14
Speaker 2: these areas do have a lot of paranormal activity. When
32:17
Speaker 2: I used to work over on the Yavapai Indian Reservation
32:20
Speaker 2: just to the west of Phoenix outside of Fountain Hills,
32:23
Speaker 2: One of their medicine men was, I would say a friend,
32:25
Speaker 2: but he was an acquaintance of mine. And I asked him,
32:27
Speaker 2: I said, why do you think that these areas out
32:31
Speaker 2: here on your res, he was telling me that they
32:35
Speaker 2: don't go out at nighttime because of the things that
32:39
Speaker 2: walk around at night because of the little people, because
32:42
Speaker 2: of the invisible hairy people. He had all kinds of
32:44
Speaker 2: stories he used to tell me, right, straight from his mouth.
32:46
Speaker 2: And he says, well, he says, as someone who studies
32:50
Speaker 2: this and thinks about it for my people, I think
32:52
Speaker 2: it has to do with electrical fields. There was a
32:54
Speaker 2: lot of power in Phoenix back in the day, because
32:57
Speaker 2: Phoenix is a very ancient, powerful place. But as people
33:01
Speaker 2: grow and the electric lines come in and you guys
33:04
Speaker 2: industrialize it, those electrical fields, I think, push away these
33:10
Speaker 2: spirits and these entities from the other side. When you
33:13
Speaker 2: go out into the wilderness still, people decompress out there,
33:16
Speaker 2: because you don't have those energies. You don't have the electric,
33:19
Speaker 2: you know, the Wi-Fi. And he says, I think it
33:22
Speaker 2: has to do with that why things can come over
33:25
Speaker 2: from the other side there. He says that's how he
33:27
Speaker 2: explains a lot of the paranormal stuff. But you guys
33:29
Speaker 2: are paranormal. And it would stand to reason that we
33:33
Speaker 2: know it is an electrical phenomenon. We know the computer.
33:36
Speaker 2: The computer was invented. The computer was invented to reach
33:41
Speaker 2: the other side. Do you guys know that? No. Research
33:44
Speaker 2: the origin of the computer and the guy that did it.
33:46
Speaker 2: He invented the computer to talk to the other side.
33:48
Speaker 2: That's where it came from.
33:49
Speaker 4: I had no idea.
33:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:51
Speaker 3: See, I didn't even know that shit. And this random
33:54
Speaker 3: ass tour guide is schooling me on all type of...
33:57
Speaker 3: I mean, I know about the mountain ranges. I know
33:58
Speaker 3: about the sacred power. I know about the portals. I
34:01
Speaker 3: can't believe he knows it. But anyways, it makes me
34:06
Speaker 3: think of that Project Arrowhead stuff from The Mist.
34:10
Speaker 2: Right?
34:10
Speaker 3: They're trying to create windows to get to the other side.
34:13
Speaker 3: I guess that's where the computer came from. So, fuck me.
34:18
Speaker 2: There's some great stuff on the internet.
34:20
Speaker 1: Some.
34:21
Speaker 2: old researchers to put that stuff together.
34:22
Speaker 1: Cool.
34:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:24
Speaker 1: It's all electricity.
34:25
Speaker 2: Paranormal technology.
34:26
Speaker 4: Intertwined.
34:27
Speaker 2: On my website, I talk at great length about sorcery
34:30
Speaker 2: and about energy and about mysticism and physics and how
34:35
Speaker 2: it's the same thing, you know? Back in the day,
34:38
Speaker 2: you had a king and a king hired an alchemist
34:41
Speaker 2: and he was down in the basements mixing sulfur and
34:44
Speaker 2: trying to transmute lead into gold, right? Today, you got
34:47
Speaker 2: MIT and Texas Instruments funded by the government down there
34:51
Speaker 2: bending space and time in some government lab. True. For DARPA. Interesting.
34:57
Speaker 2: Nothing's changed. When the old world sent the Mayflower over,
35:02
Speaker 2: when the Spanish and the French and the English, right,
35:05
Speaker 2: the pinnacle of modern civilization at that time, as soon
35:10
Speaker 2: as they had boats, they came over. They knew this
35:13
Speaker 2: was here. Everyone knew that the world wasn't flat. They
35:15
Speaker 2: were going to fall off the edge of it. Sorry
35:17
Speaker 2: for the flat earthers out there, by the way. But,
35:20
Speaker 2: you know, they took advantage of the resources and they
35:23
Speaker 2: monopolized on everything out here. They grabbed it and they
35:27
Speaker 2: secured it and they are allocating it today. When we
35:31
Speaker 2: go to the moon or when we go out into space,
35:33
Speaker 2: when humans leave space, it's not gonna be the cashiers.
35:36
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna be the farmers. It's gonna be those
35:40
Speaker 2: same bloodlines and the same people in positions of power
35:44
Speaker 2: who have been controlling the path of humanity the whole time.
35:51
Speaker 4: What do you think is your most definitive, Jesus, these bugs,
35:57
Speaker 4: personal story from the mountains when you've been out here?
36:01
Speaker 1: What have you experienced?
36:04
Speaker 2: I've never told this story before. I'll tell it. It happened.
36:10
Speaker 2: It's true. God's my witness. I was at Burrow Creek,
36:15
Speaker 2: almost to Wickiup. Go to Wickenburg, then Wickiup is about
36:19
Speaker 2: half the way. You'll find it on a map. And
36:23
Speaker 2: that bridge there, that canyon, a lot of death has
36:26
Speaker 2: happened there. I was there about 2 o'clock in the
36:29
Speaker 2: morning coming back from Phoenix. and I was out there
36:32
Speaker 2: with my dog on the edge, overlooking, I was taking
36:34
Speaker 2: a break, I was so tired, and I had my
36:36
Speaker 2: knife on me, just, I carried a knife back in
36:38
Speaker 2: the day, it was shoved in the front of my
36:39
Speaker 2: pants here, and it was about a three-quarter moon night, maybe,
36:45
Speaker 2: and I was feeling, it was nice out first night,
36:47
Speaker 2: I started feeling creepy. Something was bad. Something was wrong.
36:51
Speaker 2: And then I went to something as.
36:52
Speaker 4: See that light out there, by the way?
36:54
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a hiker? Could be. Could very
36:58
Speaker 2: well be, coming back from the.
37:00
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, these paranormal people, he in the middle
37:03
Speaker 3: of telling a damn story about the craziest shit that's
37:07
Speaker 3: ever happened to him out there, and he's worried about
37:09
Speaker 3: a damn light in the distance, like, ooh, is it
37:11
Speaker 3: a ghost tank out in the distance? Shut up. Just
37:16
Speaker 3: sit down and shut up and listen to the story.
37:20
Speaker 2: The waterfall. The trail runs right up there. Is that
37:22
Speaker 2: a three-quarter moon? We're just over a half. It's almost three-quarter, yeah. Awesome.
37:27
Speaker 2: But no, it's close. It was definitely a well at night.
37:33
Speaker 2: And it went from feeling awkward and weird to the
37:36
Speaker 2: hair on the back of my neck to I'm in
37:39
Speaker 2: imminent danger. And I was looking around, and I looked,
37:42
Speaker 2: my dog was under the truck. And I thought, shit,
37:46
Speaker 2: something's going on here. And I don't know why, I
37:48
Speaker 2: looked up and to my left, backwards, and something was
37:52
Speaker 2: bearing down on me. And I instinctively rolled in a
37:55
Speaker 2: keto roll. It's martial arts. And when I came up,
37:58
Speaker 2: I grabbed my knife. But here's the weird part. As
38:01
Speaker 2: I was rolling, the thing buzzed me, and I heard
38:05
Speaker 2: it come by, and I heard cloth. It was wearing clothing,
38:09
Speaker 2: and it was flying. And this is a true story.
38:12
Speaker 2: And when I came back up, I pulled my knife out,
38:14
Speaker 2: and I screamed. The adrenaline went, and it was fight
38:17
Speaker 2: or flight. And I can't remember what I even screamed now,
38:19
Speaker 2: but it went out probably about 30, 40 yards. It stopped,
38:23
Speaker 2: it turned, and it hovered. right there what felt like
38:26
Speaker 2: it meant about a minute but it couldn't have been
38:28
Speaker 2: more than about three or four seconds five seconds maybe
38:30
Speaker 2: and it looked and the best way i can describe
38:32
Speaker 2: it is if you've seen um lord of the rings
38:35
Speaker 2: remember them things that ride those dragons with the black
38:38
Speaker 2: things on those things it looked like that it looked
38:42
Speaker 2: like that it had it was wearing a black cloth
38:46
Speaker 2: and that's what tripped me out it was you know
38:48
Speaker 2: wasn't an owl wasn't a hawk you know it was
38:51
Speaker 2: hovering in state it wasn't moving wasn't flying It was hovering.
38:54
Speaker 2: And then it turned off to the southwest and went
38:57
Speaker 2: towards Greedwood Peak. And I watched it fly. And I
38:59
Speaker 2: watched it because the moon was bouncing off because it
39:01
Speaker 2: was a pretty bright night out, about a three-quarter moon night.
39:03
Speaker 2: That's the craziest damn thing I've ever seen out here
39:05
Speaker 2: in the desert. Yeah, that's bizarre. I went home and
39:08
Speaker 2: I called one of my friends and asked him, you know,
39:11
Speaker 2: what he thought. And he's like, I don't know what
39:13
Speaker 2: to tell you, man. Like, what do you tell someone
39:14
Speaker 2: when they call you up at 3 o'clock in the
39:15
Speaker 2: morning and tell you that, you know? But that happened.
39:18
Speaker 2: That happened. I've been in a canyon and I found
39:21
Speaker 2: this little pile of dirt. It was red. I remember
39:25
Speaker 2: that and I was kind of drawn to it and
39:28
Speaker 2: I sat down on it. I mean, within a minute,
39:30
Speaker 2: I got tired, and then I got more tired, and
39:33
Speaker 2: then my rifle dropped out of my hand, and I
39:34
Speaker 2: felt like I was having all the energy sucked out
39:36
Speaker 2: of me. That happened, and I remember laying there, and
39:39
Speaker 2: I woke my eyes, and I was just kind of
39:41
Speaker 2: laying there. My dog, she wouldn't come up on top
39:43
Speaker 2: of the mound. It wasn't any more than probably about seven,
39:46
Speaker 2: eight feet across, and I don't know what was on
39:48
Speaker 2: that mound or what it was made of, but I
39:50
Speaker 2: knew I had to get off that mound or I
39:51
Speaker 2: wasn't ever going to get off it. So I kind
39:53
Speaker 2: of rolled over and I rolled off of it. And
39:55
Speaker 2: as soon as I rolled off this mound, everything just
39:58
Speaker 2: snapped back into place and I was wide awake again.
40:01
Speaker 2: That happened.
40:02
Speaker 1: Wow.
40:02
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I wouldn't make that up.
40:05
Speaker 4: I don't know why you would.
40:07
Speaker 2: It happened. There's a lot of stories. You spend enough
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Speaker 2: time in the desert and you'll start having some experiences.
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Speaker 1: I bet.
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Speaker 4: We'll have to come back to the superstitions, man.
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Speaker 2: They say there's only three kinds of people that go
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Speaker 2: to the desert. prophets, prospectors, and madmen.
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Speaker 4: Which one are you?
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Speaker 2: I don't know yet. I'm only 42. So, that's the
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Speaker 2: synopsis of the Superstition Mountains here. It's a holy shrine.
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Speaker 2: It is an ancient volcanic nightmare of rock. It is
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Speaker 2: a place where alien abductions happen. It is a place
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Speaker 2: where people have been missing heads for over 100 years.
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Speaker 2: It's a place where the Apaches and the Pimas are
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Speaker 2: both reputed to be in here protecting It's a never-ending
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Speaker 2: wellspring of stories and mystery is right on the edge
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Speaker 2: of Phoenix, Arizona and.
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Speaker 4: Right over there You see the lights?
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Speaker 2: Real quick before.
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Speaker 4: We get out of these woods, Duvall, do you think
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Speaker 4: a number of people then have just died throughout this
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Speaker 4: area that haven't been found yet?
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Speaker 2: I think of all the bodies that are buried out here,
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Speaker 2: set up at one time, it looked like downtown Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: Think about it, just from what we know of, since the,
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Speaker 2: we can trace it back here, we know that the
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Speaker 2: archaic Indians were here, and then there were the basket
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Speaker 2: weaving culture. Then you had the greater cultures. This area
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Speaker 2: was the Hohokam. You had the Salados, the Sanaguans, the Maguians,
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Speaker 2: the Patayans, all that going on here. Then you have
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Speaker 2: the Spanish. They came through. And then you have the Mexicans,
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Speaker 2: part of Mexico, right? Then you have America. And since
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Speaker 2: America got here, I mean, good God, what have we
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Speaker 2: done out here in these mountains? This is massacre grounds,
41:51
Speaker 2: the killing fields, you know? So the Apaches were down
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Speaker 2: here waging war for about 500 years before the Spanish
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Speaker 2: got here and started whooping up on them. The whole
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Speaker 2: area is very turbulent, but if you get into the
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Speaker 2: Pima creation stories, they talk about a time when there
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Speaker 2: was an inland sea. We know that there was the
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Speaker 2: Western Interior Sea that was up and in here. It
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Speaker 2: was all flooded. Strangely enough, they tell stories about this
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Speaker 2: mountain range was not covered. And there's even maps where
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Speaker 2: it's not covered on it that people have recreated and
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Speaker 2: someone found a a petroglyph, I believe, and they believe
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Speaker 2: it to be this sticking up out of the inland
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Speaker 2: sea here.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of research that's been done about the
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Speaker 2: Mojave Desert from here in California, right?
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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: And the Salton Sea is drying up, but they believe
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Speaker 2: just recently, I mean, really within 5,000 years, that the
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Speaker 2: water went all the way up into there. They think
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Speaker 2: it was a lot more recent, and it was a
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Speaker 2: lot richer an area. Think about it. Phoenix, Arizona... You
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Speaker 2: don't think of it as a river town, right? But
42:51
Speaker 2: it is. We've got six rivers that dump into Phoenix.
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Speaker 2: We've got the Gila, the Salt, the Verde, Agua Fria, Hacienpa,
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Speaker 2: and New River. Where have the most ancient of civilizations
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Speaker 2: come from? Deserts with perennial water sources coming through. Egypt, Samaria,
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Speaker 2: Northern India. These are the cradles of ancient civilization. Phoenix
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Speaker 2: is on the same parallel. It has six rivers dumping
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Speaker 2: into it. on the most biologically diverse parallel on Earth.
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Speaker 2: This is not a harsh environment. This is a.
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Speaker 2: It's a paradise, you know? Each of these rivers is
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Speaker 2: a riparian biome of cottonwoods and willows and deer and
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Speaker 2: hundreds of edible plants and we have fresh clams and fish, right?
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Speaker 2: They can irrigate real gently off of all of these rivers.
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Speaker 2: Every year, the White Mountains flood out, come down the
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Speaker 2: Salt and the Gila, and it puts more nutrients back
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Speaker 2: into it, just like on the Nile. I think the
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Speaker 2: real history of Phoenix is yet to be written.
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Speaker 3: True.
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Speaker 2: I really do.
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Speaker 4: And why won't you go at the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: here at night?
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Speaker 2: Like, what is your reasoning?
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: A, I don't need to.
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Speaker 3: Again, he just dumped a huge load of very interesting
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Speaker 3: information on him, and he wanted to know about the
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Speaker 3: damn ghost. So really, why won't you come out here
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Speaker 3: at night? Are you just scared of the Indian tank ghost?
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Speaker 3: What the fuck?
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Speaker 2: I've walked across half the state of Arizona one time
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Speaker 2: or another. I don't backpack for recreation. I don't shoot
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Speaker 2: for recreation anymore. I don't four-wheel drive for recreation. These
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Speaker 2: are skills in my back pocket. When I'm four-wheeling, it's
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Speaker 2: to get back somewhere. When I am utilizing my backcountry skills,
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Speaker 2: it's because I'm on an expedition. I don't just go
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Speaker 2: shooting for fun. It just seems weird to me at
44:44
Speaker 2: this stage in my life. I've shot so many guns.
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Speaker 2: I don't go hiking either for fun very often. I'm
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Speaker 2: with my kids. If I'm hiking, I'm on an expedition. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, I've just kind of avoided this mountain range
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Speaker 2: for the last probably decade here. I've been through it
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Speaker 2: when I was a kid. But I don't know why.
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Speaker 2: Just something's pushing me out of it. I'll walk across
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Speaker 2: the rest of the state at nighttime. And I have.
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Speaker 2: But this mountain range, I don't know. Maybe we need to.
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Speaker 2: Let's do it. That's what I'm saying. We'll come back.
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Speaker 4: That's what we're going to do.
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Speaker 2: That's the plan. I think we probably should. It's time.
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Speaker 3: All right. So that sums up the interview. He dropped
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Speaker 3: some major conspiracy bombs. And you can tell when they
45:23
Speaker 3: first started out the interview, he was like, Hi, my
45:25
Speaker 3: name is Corey Smith. And I'm a tour guide and
45:29
Speaker 3: I be doing tours and shit. And I don't even
45:32
Speaker 3: know what else to say. And by the end of
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Speaker 3: the interview, he's dropping straight conspiracy bombs. And they're like,
45:39
Speaker 3: but tell us about the ghost taints. We really were
45:42
Speaker 3: just here for the ghost taints. But I don't know, guys,
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Speaker 3: I thought that was crazy. I had never even heard
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Speaker 3: anything about the damn superstitious mountains and the Nile and
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Speaker 3: Phoenix being a paradise and all this stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 3: One thing is for damn sure, the entire history of
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Speaker 3: the United States as we know it is a complete lie.
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Speaker 3: And we are living in probably one of the most
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Speaker 3: supernatural places on earth, the United States. I'm constantly hearing
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Speaker 3: about stuff. The Garden of Eden was in Florida, all this,
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Speaker 3: all this. But The Satanists know about it, and that's
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Speaker 3: why they've turned all these places into national parks and
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Speaker 3: wildernesses and all that. But let me know what you
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Speaker 3: think of the interview. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Thanks for
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Speaker 3: being here. Thanks for hanging with me today. Leave your
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Speaker 3: thoughts and feelings in the comment section. And those members
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Speaker 3: of Room 237, please let me know. What you'd like
46:52
Speaker 3: to see on future cosmic merch items. And I'll be
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Speaker 3: looking for your responses there. But take care of yourselves
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Speaker 3: out there. I love each and every one of you.
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Speaker 3: And I will catch you on the next one. We'll
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Speaker 3: be right back.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.