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Sharri | 15 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
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Speaker 2: We'recome to Shari steep Price with you tonight and tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: Filling in for Shari. I'll be with you as usual
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Speaker 2: on Friday night at six, coming up tonight on Sharo.
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Speaker 2: The Opposition firmly put the issue of immigration and the
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Speaker 2: size and quality of migrants on the agenda Yes today
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Speaker 2: and predictably the government today sent Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke out to trash Angus Taylor and the Policy Senator
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Speaker 2: Dave Sharma joins me shortly and as the fuel crisis
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Speaker 2: rolls on, huge cracks are starting to appear in our
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Speaker 2: supply chains, with a survey of one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: two truckers saying if it lasts six months or more
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Speaker 2: they will fall over. Warren Clark, the executive officer of
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Speaker 2: the National Road Transport Association, tells us how bad things
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Speaker 2: might get, and we'll check on how The Harry and
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Speaker 2: Meghan tour down under in Melbourne still today is being
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Speaker 2: reported in the UK. First though, as the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: again jets overseas, this time to Brunei and on to
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Speaker 2: Malaysia too, he says sure up fuel supplies and his
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Speaker 2: Treasurer jets out to New York. The Gulf War impact
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Speaker 2: on our economy and supply chains is really starting to
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Speaker 2: come home to roost. This was the Opposition leader this morning.
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Speaker 3: Australia should be providing whatever support we reasonably can to
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Speaker 3: make sure we get the straight up humas opened up.
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Speaker 3: Now we don't know what requests have been received. There's
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Speaker 3: all sorts of ambiguity about that from the government, but
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Speaker 3: we want the straight of hum has opened up and
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Speaker 3: we want it done as quickly as possible because that
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Speaker 3: will put down a pressure on the price at the
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Speaker 3: Bowser for all Australians.
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Speaker 2: And he's right to point out we still don't know
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Speaker 2: the true picture of fuel now. The treasure of Jim Charmers,
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Speaker 2: even Jim Charmers today is starting, I think to ring
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Speaker 2: the alarm bells now.
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Speaker 4: We are expecting in our own economy, in our own forecasts,
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Speaker 4: for our economy to slow, and we are expecting inflation
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Speaker 4: to be higher as a consequence of this war in
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Speaker 4: the Middle East. Australians didn't choose the circumstances of this
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Speaker 4: war in the Middle East, but they are paying a
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Speaker 4: hefty price for it at the Bowser and beyond. Now,
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Speaker 4: this budget won't be identical to the budget that we
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Speaker 4: were planning in February for obvious reasons, but it will
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Speaker 4: still be ambitious and there will still be savings, it
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Speaker 4: will still be responsible.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the first time we've heard that
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Speaker 2: the budget's going to change radically. You would think now
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Speaker 2: the Road Transport Association, they're up shortly and our ever
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Speaker 2: annoying Green Energy Minister Chris Bowen was asked today what
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Speaker 2: he made of a call that the federal governments step
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Speaker 2: in with emergency loans to prevent a further milkdown.
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Speaker 5: Well, we've made very clear and we understand. I mean,
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Speaker 5: that's not a supply issue, that's a price issue. Diesel's
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Speaker 5: very expensive and the cost of diesels going up more
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Speaker 5: than the cost of petrol around the world. That's just
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Speaker 5: the way the market's work at the moment. That's why
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Speaker 5: we took the road us to charge to zero, the
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Speaker 5: heavy vehicles road user charge to zero. That's the most
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Speaker 5: direct leave the Colonel has, of course, is the PM.
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Speaker 5: The Treasurer has said, we'll always look at what other
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Speaker 5: options are required.
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Speaker 2: Now, Bowen's grinning, bluster and smiley appearances is designed to
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Speaker 2: make us all feel calm, but you can't get a
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Speaker 2: sense that beneath the surface. Bowen knows we are in
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Speaker 2: for a really rough time now. Incredibly, at his media
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Speaker 2: conference today he was asked by Sky as Julia Bradley
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Speaker 2: if we ought to get into the business of producing
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Speaker 2: making electric vehicles. He went all the way back to
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Speaker 2: the Abbot government, blaming Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey for
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Speaker 2: driving motor vehicle manufacturing out of Australia.
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Speaker 5: Well, of course, car manufacturing finished in Australia under Abbot government.
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Speaker 6: It's very hard to bring back.
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Speaker 5: Tony Abbot and Chow Hockey waved it away, and once
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Speaker 5: you've lost in industry, it's.
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Speaker 1: Very hard to bring one back.
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Speaker 5: We are component manufacturers in various points, including my own
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Speaker 5: electric in Western Sydney. That's a very good thing.
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Speaker 2: Cute, but Bowen has a way of re writing history
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Speaker 2: forward holding and to a lesser extent, Toyota. We're making
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Speaker 2: cars that Australians no longer wanted to buy. Family sedans
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Speaker 2: like the Falcon and the Commodore, that were not price
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Speaker 2: competitive because of labor costs, that could not compete with
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Speaker 2: cheap Korean and Japanese cars. It's the same reason we
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Speaker 2: don't make electric vehicles here because we can't compete with
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Speaker 2: cheap Chinese electric vehicles bolted together by low paid workers.
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Speaker 2: I mean. Bowen also ignores the fact that Australia runs
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Speaker 2: on diesel. There are no, virtually none of his much
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Speaker 2: lauded electric heavy vehicles, and the charging infrastructure for passenger
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Speaker 2: evs is so bad there was five hour weights at
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Speaker 2: Easter time to charge and who knows what people are
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Speaker 2: supposed to do if they live in an apartment or
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Speaker 2: houses with no driveways. I mean, Bowen, in the absence
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Speaker 2: of his Prime Minister and Treasurer, needs to start fronting
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Speaker 2: up to some harsh realities. As I said, we'll talk
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Speaker 2: with the National Road Transport CEO shortly. But that survey
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Speaker 2: I mentioned is brutal. Twenty two truckers filled out people
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Speaker 2: who actually drive for a living, rather than cooking up
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Speaker 2: green dreams sending the country broke well. They say seventy
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Speaker 2: percent of operators will not be able to keep operating
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Speaker 2: beyond six months if this crisis continues seventy percent, and
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Speaker 2: that number, and this is where it gets very frightening,
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Speaker 2: rises to seventy eight percent. If you talk to operators
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Speaker 2: that are just running one or two trucks, staff have
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Speaker 2: already been stood down, trucks parked, and one driver revealed
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Speaker 2: his fuel bill for a month had gone from forty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to ninety thousand dollars. Now, what business can
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Speaker 2: survive that without loading costs onto what they're carrying? And
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Speaker 2: what about dairy Wait till you hear this. Farmers have
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Speaker 2: warned of twenty percent hikes in the retail price of milk. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'd sit down if I with you. That would take
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Speaker 2: the price of a liter of home brand milk from
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Speaker 2: a dollar sixty five to a dollar ninety eight. Now,
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Speaker 2: if that happens on top of fuel prices and an
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Speaker 2: interest rate ike, lookout and it might start with milk
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Speaker 2: and meat and veg and the inflation fire will then
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Speaker 2: be a wildfire. Now, East au Milk, they actually represent
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Speaker 2: dairy farmers in New South Wales and Queensland. They tip
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Speaker 2: a one kilo tub of Greek yogurt is going to
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Speaker 2: jump from four dollars thirty to five dollars sixteen and
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Speaker 2: a half kilo butter from seven dollars fifty to nine
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Speaker 2: dollars These are not scare tactics, but that's reality. And
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Speaker 2: if you think that is bad for dairy farmers, truckees,
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Speaker 2: meat producers. The Australian reports today that Woolworths is telling
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Speaker 2: supplies they've got no appetitle lift shelf prices, seemingly signaling
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Speaker 2: a nasty war between the supermarket giants and the growers.
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Speaker 2: And we all know how that ends. Let's stay on
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Speaker 2: the state of the economy and the IMF now warning
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Speaker 2: of a near global recession as the fallout from the
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Speaker 2: Iran war. Supplies going forward, very uncertain airlines in our
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Speaker 2: cutting capacity, including Quantus, Jetstar and Virgin and as I
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Speaker 2: just said, real worries about jobs, business survival and food prices.
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty grim picture. Joining me now, Shari, regulars
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Speaker 2: from a Victorian Liberal Party president, Michael Kroger and Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to you both now. Michael,
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Speaker 2: the IMF is warning against untargeted spending. Is that a
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Speaker 2: finger pointed directly at big spending governments with massive social
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Speaker 2: agendas like ndis.
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Speaker 7: Maybe no, no, no, it's no warning to us at all. Steve. Look,
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Speaker 7: you know in politics, when you're in government. There is
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Speaker 7: always a rainy day, and if you spend like a
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Speaker 7: drunken sailor, you'll get caught when it rains. So Jim
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Speaker 7: Chalmers has never been able to control his spending. Is
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Speaker 7: about to deliver us another budget deficit in the next
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Speaker 7: four years. Steve. The budget deficits are forecast in my
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Speaker 7: EFO to be one hundred and fifty billion dollars, and
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Speaker 7: the national debt's going and the gross debts going from
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Speaker 7: one billion trillion to one point two trillion.
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Speaker 2: This bloke is.
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Speaker 7: Way out of his depth. I've never rated him. He's
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Speaker 7: just a commentator out there at that thing today in
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Speaker 7: America saying, oh, things are bad out there and it's dangerous.
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Speaker 7: We know that Jim, cut your spending and bring the
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Speaker 7: budget back into some kind of equilibrium. All he can do.
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Speaker 7: All Albanize can do, Steve, is win elections by promising
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Speaker 7: spending with borrowed money, and that's why they won their
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Speaker 7: last election. And this budget will tell a hell of
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Speaker 7: a lot about this government.
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Speaker 2: So we're getting increased taxes.
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Speaker 7: Won't we We'll get increase taxes. That's exactly well. He
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Speaker 7: can't cut spending, this bloke, and only at the margins.
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Speaker 7: He's into increased taxes because he just he's no keeping
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Speaker 7: this bloke, he's no keeting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a pretty ugly budget in
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks time. Joe Contason Jetstar already cutting
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Speaker 2: domestic capacity after their fuel bills going up by Avgas
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Speaker 2: has gone up by eight hundred million dollars. I mean
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Speaker 2: you'd have to think that might be the start. Airlines
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Speaker 2: is where it's starts, and I mentioned butter and yogurt
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Speaker 2: and milk. It's going to be a wider economic squeeze.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to be a doom sayer,
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Speaker 2: but you talk to people who are actually in the industry,
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Speaker 2: like we're going to do with the truckies tonight, they
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Speaker 2: know what's really going on. It's going to get ugly.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it could certainly get ugly. I'm determined to
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Speaker 8: remain optimistic about these things because I kind of think, wow, well,
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Speaker 8: for one thing, we don't know what is actually going
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Speaker 8: to happen in the Gulf. We don't know if Trump's
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Speaker 8: blockade is going to work, not by actually blockading all
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Speaker 8: the goods and making things even more expensive, but by
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Speaker 8: forcing Iran back to the negotiating table. Jda Vance has
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Speaker 8: outlined Trump's grand bargain. Just over the last few hours,
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Speaker 8: there seems to be indications that Iran will return to
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Speaker 8: the negotiating table within about forty eight hours. The other
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Speaker 8: thing is that I think the government was already intending
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Speaker 8: to cut spending in this budget. I don't think there'll
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Speaker 8: be anything. There won't be any new taxes apart from
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Speaker 8: reductions in the discount the concessions on capital gains.
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Speaker 2: Don't bet on it.
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Speaker 8: But if you want to count that as a new tax,
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Speaker 8: I don't really. But but they will get more money.
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Speaker 8: They're going to get more money.
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Speaker 2: I love your optimism, Joe, but thank you. Look seriously,
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Speaker 2: you've got to get more money anyway. But even if
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Speaker 2: there's scene finishes, even if there's scene finishes tomorrow, Michael,
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Speaker 2: I mean, we have inflation here on fire. Even if
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Speaker 2: the war hadn't started, inflation was on the rise, and
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Speaker 2: we're about to get one, two, three, maybe interest rate rises.
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Speaker 7: You may get a couple of interest rate rises, Steve,
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Speaker 7: and then if we go into recession, you'll get interest
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Speaker 7: rate cuts at the end of the year, early next year.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is the problem with the government that
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Speaker 7: cannot control its spending. We have the same problem here
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Speaker 7: in Victoria. We have gross dead in Victoria which in
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Speaker 7: the next three years will reach two hundred three hundred, sorry,
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Speaker 7: three hundred billion dollars. That's in Victoria.
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Speaker 2: That's just the state.
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Speaker 7: Government in Victoria. These labor governments, you know, they they
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Speaker 7: just promise spending and they've been warned a thousand times.
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Speaker 7: But you know, getting into government is more important than
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Speaker 7: anything else. And I leave a trail of desire behind them.
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Speaker 8: See straight cuts. Because even I wasn't that optimistic, because
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Speaker 8: I think we could be looking at a stagflation if.
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Speaker 2: You're in the middle what, right, that's the problem in
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Speaker 2: the mid recession. That happens if you're in a recession.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, But if you're in a recession where where it's
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Speaker 8: actually that there's still very very high inflation. So a
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Speaker 8: stagflation situation, you don't get interest rate cuts, and that
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Speaker 8: is the problem. Normally in a normal economic scenario, in
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Speaker 8: a normal recession, you would have falling prices because of
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Speaker 8: falling demand, and therefore you could afford to stimulate the
11:34
Speaker 8: economy if you still have very very high prices from
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Speaker 8: external factors such as the war in Iran, you get
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Speaker 8: a stagflation scenario, and that is where you have high
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Speaker 8: inflation but not driven by high demand and high economic activity,
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Speaker 8: by still with dormant economic activity, stagnation, and so the
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Speaker 8: Reserve Bank can't Actually it's caught in the middle because
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Speaker 8: it can't cut interest rates because it doesn't want to
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Speaker 8: fuel inflation, even though it needs to cut interest rates
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Speaker 8: in order to put a cattle pride into the economy.
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Speaker 2: So that was We love economics, you've reassured me. We
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Speaker 2: love Michael Michael, we love Joe's amateur economics. Here it
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Speaker 2: feels to me more like nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 2: That's what it feels like to me. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: is Andrew Howes of the former RBA Bank employee. He said,
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Speaker 2: we've got higher inflation, weaker growth. I mean that's going
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Speaker 2: to invariably lead to price increases and interest rate rises.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's right, Steve. You know growth in Australia is
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Speaker 7: well below the long term average.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jim Charms keeps telling us is the best economy
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Speaker 2: in the world.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, Jim's Jim's doing very well. He's bankrupting
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Speaker 7: the federal government. He's doing very well, that bloke. He
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Speaker 7: he should get the Nobel Peace Price. And let's talk
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Speaker 7: about Donald Trump and the Pope. This is certainly something
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Speaker 7: I know Joe's an expert on.
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Speaker 2: Never wonder back down. He's escalated his argument with Pope Leo,
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Speaker 2: saying the Pope's got no idea about Iran, and now
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Speaker 2: he's turning on Georgia Maloney as well. She called his
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Speaker 2: attack on the Holy Father unacceptable. It's have a look.
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Speaker 7: What I said is what I think those statements, particularly
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Speaker 7: regarding the Pontiff, were unacceptable.
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Speaker 9: I expressed and continue to express my solidarity with Hope Leo.
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Speaker 2: We all thought she was made of Trumps, and now
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Speaker 2: he's hit back at her and says he's shocked at
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Speaker 2: what she said.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is Trump's uncanny ability just to blow up
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Speaker 8: friendships and alliances and natural allies just with just with
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Speaker 8: a tweet because he's got to get his gun off.
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Speaker 8: It makes him pretty fun to watch. Obviously, I'm an
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Speaker 8: Irish Catholic, so I stand with the Throne of Saint
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Speaker 8: Peter in Rome. But I don't think you know when
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Speaker 8: Trump's going either. Pope's soft on crime. Maybe it's a
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Speaker 8: good idea not to take him particularly literally or particularly seriously.
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Speaker 2: Michael I went back and had a look at what
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Speaker 2: he said last May, the president when the first American
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Speaker 2: was crowned as the pope. Is what Donald Trump said
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Speaker 2: back then, to have the bob.
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Speaker 10: From the United States of American.
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Speaker 9: That's a great owner, that's a great owner.
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Speaker 2: I think he might have changed his mind.
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Speaker 7: He won't fall out of favor with Trump pretty quickly,
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Speaker 7: incase he had noticed. Well, I think this is very unedifying.
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's no reason for Trump to be blowing
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Speaker 7: with the pope, certainly blowing with I.
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Speaker 2: Can't remember anyone ever bluing with the Pope. Well Napoleon did, Well,
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Speaker 2: we're going back a bit.
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Speaker 7: We're going back to Big Napoleon blewed with the pope,
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Speaker 7: and those that remember their French history remember he refused
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Speaker 7: to allow Pope past the seventh to crown him in
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Speaker 7: Notre Dame in eight one hundred and four at his
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Speaker 7: coronation and had been blue with a pope up to
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Speaker 7: eighteen hundred and nine. When Napoleon got so sick of
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Speaker 7: the Pope he sent his troops to arrest him.
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Speaker 2: So the fred economics, lessons for the history, lessons from
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Speaker 2: the Imperial Guard, arrested the Pope and Napoleon held him
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Speaker 2: prisoner for five years. So don't tell the Donald that
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Speaker 2: we always got to go back to the politics. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. You know, the Marga movement, they might all
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Speaker 2: be a lot of them are fundamental Christians, but a
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Speaker 2: lot of them are Catholics. Politically that's dangerous for him,
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Speaker 2: is and.
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Speaker 7: It's stupid politics. I mean, it's really stupid politics for him.
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Speaker 7: Him you're doing this and having said that, I mean,
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Speaker 7: has been pointed out on this show earlier tonight. The
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Speaker 7: Pope's missed a lot of opportunities to point out, you know,
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Speaker 7: to criticize other countries, I mean Nigeria for example, where
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Speaker 7: Christians have been slaughtered over Easter. He and I think
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Speaker 7: he said anything about that. But in any case, it's
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Speaker 7: not I mean, Trump shouldn't pick a fight with every
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Speaker 7: single ally in the world to be at taking the
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Speaker 7: Pope and now Georgia Maloney, well, you know.
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Speaker 2: At least it diverts his attention Joe away from Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanizi and us not sending a ship to the golfer
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Speaker 2: whim he's forgotten about us. He's now got bigger fish
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Speaker 2: to front. I'd rather just got back to attacking Iran.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Agree, let's talk about Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this case now is very intriguing to me.
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Speaker 2: I mean there is a groundswell right around the country
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Speaker 2: of anger, particularly from veterans. We've heard reports today that
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Speaker 2: a lot of veterans have been sending their medals back
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Speaker 2: into veterans organizations. They say they're disgusted, they don't know
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Speaker 2: what to feel. Now, you know, not much more than
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Speaker 2: a week out from ANZAC Day, Michael, what would be
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Speaker 2: the likelihood what would happen if these charges ended up
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Speaker 2: being dropped do you think.
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Speaker 7: Well, Steve, obviously, if you said these are matters before
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Speaker 7: the courts, and we make no comment either way on
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Speaker 7: any of those matters, this is just a procedural comment.
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Speaker 7: Because we're members of the International Criminal Court. People have
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Speaker 7: got to realize that even if the charges were dropped
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Speaker 7: by the Federal Police the DPP, and therefore it was
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Speaker 7: deemed that the Government Australia was unwilling to prosecute Robert Smith,
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Speaker 7: the International Criminal Court could of course prosecute him because
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Speaker 7: we're members of the ICC. The ICC already had have
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Speaker 7: an investigation into walk alleged war crimes in Afghanistan. They
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Speaker 7: tried to arrest the head of the Taliban, by the way,
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Speaker 7: because Afghanistan were members of the ICIC and the Afghanistan
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Speaker 7: said on your bike and they withdrew from the ICC
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Speaker 7: in a couple of years ago. But the ICC are
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Speaker 7: investigating alleged war crimes that took place prior to twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty three, which would cover this period. So even if
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Speaker 7: Australia didn't proceed, the ICC may well try and matter case.
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Speaker 2: Interesting twist on that, Joe, your favorite minister and mine.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is out again today whistling at the moon
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Speaker 2: about evs and everything green. Someone ought to point out
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Speaker 2: Australia's headed for a solar waste problem. The NWS Limit
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Speaker 2: of Papers reported this today in The Australian, his own department,
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Speaker 2: saying old solar panels could end up in landfill, leaching
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Speaker 2: toxic chemicals into the soil and the water. I wonder
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Speaker 2: why I know, and asked Chris Bowen about that today.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I think the strange thing and the very
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Speaker 8: frustrating thing perhaps not strange, very frustrating thing about this
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Speaker 8: debate is that it's driven. It's almost like I've compared
18:05
Speaker 8: it in the past to sort of like the Reformation,
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Speaker 8: where it's being driven by such zelotry on both sides
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Speaker 8: that either side refuses to concede an inch. So you
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Speaker 8: have people who are advocates of wind and solar power
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Speaker 8: who refuse to concede that it can actually be unreliable,
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Speaker 8: that there may be long term negative impacts by having
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Speaker 8: to dispose of things that may only have a say,
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Speaker 8: a twenty year life span if we're talking about wind
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Speaker 8: turbines or solar panels, perhaps even less. So I think
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Speaker 8: we need to sort of be clear eyed about this,
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Speaker 8: and of course people you know, on the other side
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Speaker 8: need to realize that not every solar panel is patented
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Speaker 8: by Satan himself, and that you know, this can be
18:43
Speaker 8: a really good way to power up your home or
18:45
Speaker 8: even to provide large scale power that may may kind
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Speaker 8: of pound for pound, not be as bad for the
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Speaker 8: environment as other previous big projects have been, like coal mines,
18:55
Speaker 8: but also admit that yes, there are going to be
18:58
Speaker 8: these impacts and we have to have a plan to
19:00
Speaker 8: deal with them well.
19:01
Speaker 2: Michael, I can see exactly where this is going to go.
19:04
Speaker 2: We'll start having a problem with solar panels dumped in
19:07
Speaker 2: rubbish tips and someone's got to clean it up. Guess
19:10
Speaker 2: who's going to start paying for that, Yeah, you and me.
19:12
Speaker 2: It's going to be big bats on steroids all over again.
19:17
Speaker 7: Well, mate, the European Union have a system where the
19:19
Speaker 7: manufacturer of these solar panels has to set a certain
19:22
Speaker 7: amount of money aside goes into a fund they are
19:25
Speaker 7: responsible for the Well, we don't, and we don't, so
19:28
Speaker 7: we've got a pilot programm he to deal with this.
19:30
Speaker 7: I mean, people have had solar panels for more than
19:32
Speaker 7: a decade, so no one's done anything about this, and
19:35
Speaker 7: it's going to be a massive problem in this country.
19:37
Speaker 7: You can't throw thousands, tens of thousands of solar panels
19:39
Speaker 7: which are at end of life into landfill.
19:41
Speaker 2: And the other thing we've heard about it because these
19:42
Speaker 2: wind turbines have an end of life as well, and
19:44
Speaker 2: when they stop working, farmers who put them on their
19:48
Speaker 2: property and hosted them, they're expected to clean it up.
19:50
Speaker 2: You've got this massive concrete platform that this thing's bolted to,
19:54
Speaker 2: and somehow the Farmer's got to get rid of it. Michael,
19:56
Speaker 2: Joe love catching up with you. Thank you very much.
19:59
Speaker 2: Talk to your short staying in the Middle East the
20:03
Speaker 2: situation there. Donald Trump says the Iran war could be
20:06
Speaker 2: nearing a turning point, talks possibly restarting. Joe just mentioned
20:09
Speaker 2: that within days, and the US says the blockade has
20:13
Speaker 2: effectively shut down the maritime trade into and out of Iran.
20:18
Speaker 2: He's Donald Trump telling Fox News he believes the war
20:20
Speaker 2: would be over very soon.
20:23
Speaker 6: Well, you keep saying, wise, is this war over?
20:26
Speaker 9: I think it's close to over here. I mean I
20:28
Speaker 9: view it as very close to over. You know what,
20:32
Speaker 9: if I pulled up stakes right now, it would take
20:34
Speaker 9: them twenty years to rebuild that country. And we're not finished.
20:39
Speaker 9: We'll see what happens. I think they want to make
20:41
Speaker 9: it deal very badly.
20:43
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we feel that optimistic about it ending soon.
20:46
Speaker 2: Joining me Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Great to catch up
20:49
Speaker 2: with you. If Donald Trump thinks the war is close
20:51
Speaker 2: to over, is that over confidence, real premature or is
20:55
Speaker 2: he kidding himself?
20:58
Speaker 6: Look, I think it depends what you mean by the
21:00
Speaker 6: war being either. But I think it's quite feasible that
21:04
Speaker 6: hostilities will not be resumed. Now does that end with
21:06
Speaker 6: a formal diplomatic agreement or is it more like a
21:09
Speaker 6: mistiss If you like a sort of non aggression agreement
21:13
Speaker 6: which perhaps allows the stratiformwards to very open, then I
21:17
Speaker 6: think that's quite feasible. But you know, I mean, obviously
21:20
Speaker 6: there's a two weeks cspy which still remains largely in effect.
21:24
Speaker 6: Obviously in the United States has put a blockade now,
21:26
Speaker 6: but the fighting we saw before the talks on the
21:30
Speaker 6: weekend is not resumed.
21:33
Speaker 2: So you know that region really well. I mean that
21:35
Speaker 2: naval blockade and what they've said they will do is
21:38
Speaker 2: prevent shipping going in and out of Iranian ports. That
21:42
Speaker 2: seems to be holding. I mean, the worst of all
21:46
Speaker 2: outcomes would be some attack on a US naval ship there,
21:50
Speaker 2: but that doesn't seem to have happened either. It seems
21:53
Speaker 2: like it's slowly reopening. But for us here in Australia day,
21:57
Speaker 2: that's going to mean we're going to have a very
21:59
Speaker 2: long tail on the fuel crisis that we currently find
22:02
Speaker 2: ourselves in the middle of.
22:04
Speaker 6: Look, I think that's right. I think all of this
22:05
Speaker 6: has got a long tail. I mean, you know, the
22:09
Speaker 6: normally about twenty million barrels of oil a day passes
22:12
Speaker 6: through the Stratuhorn moves, and like it's been in the
22:15
Speaker 6: last month, it's been somewhere around two to four million
22:17
Speaker 6: barrels a day. But obviously there's also you know, urea,
22:21
Speaker 6: there's helium, there's all sorts of goods. It's going to
22:25
Speaker 6: take quite a long time to basically clear that backlog
22:28
Speaker 6: of shipping and for production facilities to restart, like guitars,
22:32
Speaker 6: L and G facilities, some of the other oil and
22:34
Speaker 6: gas extraction facilities. But I would say what this blockade
22:37
Speaker 6: has done, I mean, run up until this point has
22:39
Speaker 6: basically been a beneficiary of the closure of the Stratiform
22:42
Speaker 6: moves because no one else is getting there aill out.
22:44
Speaker 6: They were still getting two million barrels a day, give
22:47
Speaker 6: or take out and selling it at premium prices. Basically,
22:50
Speaker 6: so as far as they were concerned, closure the Stratihorm
22:53
Speaker 6: moves was a net economic positive. What this US blockade
22:56
Speaker 6: does is make sure that they wear the pain of
22:59
Speaker 6: the closure as well. Well.
23:01
Speaker 2: Put your diplomatic hat on. And the region you know
23:04
Speaker 2: very well, the Lebanese Israeli border there are now talks
23:08
Speaker 2: about whether the Lebanese want hez Bala out of Lebanon,
23:13
Speaker 2: and there's talks between the Israelis and the Lebanese. Is
23:17
Speaker 2: that a real reality that they could somehow gets How
23:23
Speaker 2: would you get Hesbla out of that entrenched position they
23:26
Speaker 2: have where they I mean, they're retreated into Beyroute, we know,
23:30
Speaker 2: but how would you ever get them out of the
23:32
Speaker 2: country completely?
23:34
Speaker 6: Look, I think it'd be a case where you sort
23:35
Speaker 6: of gradually marginalize them and diminish them as a force
23:38
Speaker 6: a bit like you know Islamic state was defeated, if
23:40
Speaker 6: you like in Syria, Iraq. You know, it wasn't all
23:43
Speaker 6: at once, and everyone didn't leave that People bled back
23:46
Speaker 6: into the surrounds, People change their views, people left to
23:49
Speaker 6: dying cause I could see Hazebal becoming like that. And look,
23:53
Speaker 6: my read is that the majority of Lebanese people do
23:57
Speaker 6: not want their country held hostage by hesbler anymore. They
24:00
Speaker 6: want to get back to a normal country with normal
24:02
Speaker 6: set of governance arrangements, where they're not captured by a
24:06
Speaker 6: terrorist organization. And you know, we saw talks just yesterday
24:10
Speaker 6: between Israel than Levanon broken by the United States you know,
24:14
Speaker 6: we haven't seen direct negotiations between those two countries in
24:17
Speaker 6: over thirty years, so this is quite a momentous time
24:19
Speaker 6: potentially for making that relationship between Israel and eleven or normal.
24:25
Speaker 2: Back on domestic politics, we were talking there with Michael
24:28
Speaker 2: Kroger about Jim Charmers and what might or might not
24:31
Speaker 2: be in the May budget cost of living help. Do
24:36
Speaker 2: you think that they have the money there to actually
24:39
Speaker 2: do that, and are you fearful like I am, that
24:42
Speaker 2: there will be some tax increases or some charge increases
24:46
Speaker 2: on people because the budget is in such poor shape
24:50
Speaker 2: and we're in the middle of a crisis.
24:52
Speaker 6: I don't think the government has the fiscal space or
24:55
Speaker 6: a headroom if you like to do this, because rather
24:58
Speaker 6: than using the relatively benign last two or three years
25:01
Speaker 6: of high government revenues, stable macroeconomic conditions to improve the
25:05
Speaker 6: budget bottom line, all this government has done is spend
25:09
Speaker 6: and spend and spend. So we've got spending growing in
25:11
Speaker 6: the last budget, government spending growing four times a road
25:14
Speaker 6: of the economy. We've got government debt about to hit
25:16
Speaker 6: a record one trillion dollars. So if the government now
25:20
Speaker 6: decides to pour more money into cost of living and relief.
25:23
Speaker 6: That's going to add to government debt, but it's also
25:25
Speaker 6: going to further fuel inflation. I mean inflation before we
25:28
Speaker 6: came to this Middle East shot was running at three
25:30
Speaker 6: point seven percent in Australia, much higher than the developed world.
25:33
Speaker 6: We're now going to have the impact of this shot
25:35
Speaker 6: from the Iran war. If the government then starts putting
25:38
Speaker 6: more money into the economy, inflation is going to rise
25:41
Speaker 6: even further and we all end up worse off in
25:43
Speaker 6: that situation.
25:45
Speaker 2: Well, the IMF has clearly pointed the finger at the
25:49
Speaker 2: government and said you've got to stop spending. I mean
25:51
Speaker 2: they've said broad relief of just make inflation worse labor.
25:55
Speaker 2: Are they likely to take paying attention to what the
25:59
Speaker 2: IMF is aimed to them?
26:02
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they've shown any desire today
26:05
Speaker 6: to run a economical, responsible fiscal policy. You know that
26:10
Speaker 6: everything for them has been through a political leans. How
26:12
Speaker 6: do we alleviate some pressure here or wo some voters here,
26:16
Speaker 6: rather than what's in Australia's best national interest. So no,
26:20
Speaker 6: I don't think they're likely to pay much heed to them.
26:21
Speaker 6: I think the only thing that you know they do
26:23
Speaker 6: pay it to is the Reserve Bank continually putting up
26:25
Speaker 6: interest rates because they've been left with no choice and
26:28
Speaker 6: the reaction of financial markets and bond markets.
26:33
Speaker 2: It wasn't surprising today they willed out Tony Boot to
26:36
Speaker 2: try and monster Angus Taylor on your party's tougher migration
26:41
Speaker 2: crack down the policy itself. What's your assessment on what
26:47
Speaker 2: we're actually able to do. I mean, this idea of
26:49
Speaker 2: an Australian values test, does that cut the mustard? Do
26:52
Speaker 2: you think? I mean, what exactly is that?
26:55
Speaker 6: Well, look at the moment when you become a citizen
26:57
Speaker 6: in Australia sign up to a set of australianes. What
27:00
Speaker 6: this would do is when you get a permanent residency
27:03
Speaker 6: or work visa a longer term one, you're basically also
27:06
Speaker 6: signing up to respect those as you would be if
27:09
Speaker 6: you're a citizen. But it could be made a condition
27:12
Speaker 6: of your visa that if you breach those values, you
27:14
Speaker 6: know through a criminal act or you know, some other
27:17
Speaker 6: egregious act, then your visa can be revoked. Now there's
27:21
Speaker 6: a broad discretion that's available to the minister now to
27:24
Speaker 6: cancel visas and to revoke visas. But the truth is,
27:28
Speaker 6: I don't think he's been doing that except in response
27:30
Speaker 6: to political and media pressure. If we ensure on Australian values,
27:33
Speaker 6: then there's at least a set of tests and a
27:35
Speaker 6: set of standards that the Minister can point to an enforce.
27:39
Speaker 6: If we get instances of you know, these sort of
27:41
Speaker 6: hate preachers who turn up in Australia on a speaking
27:44
Speaker 6: to her and instead seek to demonize one particular group
27:47
Speaker 6: of Australians, it will allow us to have stronger tools
27:49
Speaker 6: to deal with that.
27:52
Speaker 2: Just briefly, do I know you haven't put a number
27:54
Speaker 2: on it, but do rule numbers need to come down?
27:57
Speaker 1: Yes?
27:58
Speaker 6: I think that's undoubtedly true. First two years of labor,
28:01
Speaker 6: you know, we saw about a million net overseas. Migration
28:04
Speaker 6: was about a million cumulatively. Now at the moment, Australia's
28:07
Speaker 6: population is growing two thirds from migration and one third
28:10
Speaker 6: only from natural increase. That's a very unusual kind of balance,
28:15
Speaker 6: if you like. And our migration intake per capita is
28:18
Speaker 6: much higher than the United States, the UK or Canada,
28:21
Speaker 6: and I think we're all feeling austraina that infrastructure of housing,
28:24
Speaker 6: affordability and availability, all of those issues.
28:28
Speaker 2: Do Chamra was good to catch up. Thank you very
28:30
Speaker 2: much for joining us tonight. Now still to come, a
28:32
Speaker 2: trucking industry on the brink, we're told, with operators warning
28:36
Speaker 2: they will not last six months if this fuel crisis
28:39
Speaker 2: drags on. Plus Europe's now floating a post war or
28:43
Speaker 2: mu's mission of their own without the US. Strategic Analysis
28:47
Speaker 2: Australia's director Michael Schubridge up next, welcome back to Price
28:54
Speaker 2: with you get to the issue that is really worrying
28:57
Speaker 2: the trucking industry in Australia at a moment as this
28:59
Speaker 2: fuel continues, a crisis of course, caused by the blocking
29:04
Speaker 2: of the straits of hormers. Now we learned today that
29:07
Speaker 2: Europe is sketching out a post war mission that apparently
29:11
Speaker 2: is cutting out the US, with the Francis mccron backing
29:15
Speaker 2: a defensive coalition with Germany. We're talking about mind sweepers.
29:20
Speaker 2: Britain hosting talks on how to get hundreds of stuck
29:23
Speaker 2: ships through there Again, Joining me now is strategic Analysis
29:26
Speaker 2: Australian Director Michael Schubridge. I mean, Michael, is Europe seriously
29:31
Speaker 2: trying to police the Strait without the help of the Americans. Well, Steve.
29:40
Speaker 10: Yes, but in a much simpler situation. So they're talking
29:44
Speaker 10: about when there's a permanent ceasefire or a peace deal.
29:49
Speaker 10: And then, of course it's not about military power to
29:52
Speaker 10: force the strait of Harmer's open. It's like a policing
29:56
Speaker 10: an escort job. And the good news for Australia and
29:59
Speaker 10: our navy is it means we could participate without having warships.
30:04
Speaker 10: We could send an Australian flag fishing.
30:06
Speaker 2: Trauler because that's all we've got.
30:14
Speaker 10: Well, yes, yes, because the government clearly doesn't want to
30:17
Speaker 10: send one of our two available air warfare destroyers, so
30:21
Speaker 10: an Australian flag fishing trawler now looks a viable option.
30:26
Speaker 2: If the Europeans take this task on, they could be
30:29
Speaker 2: there forever.
30:33
Speaker 10: Well, yes they could, particularly if the world's trying to
30:36
Speaker 10: avoid paying Iranian tolls. But I suppose the serious part
30:41
Speaker 10: of this, apart from the disarray of our own navy,
30:44
Speaker 10: is this is the NATO allies organizing around a future
30:50
Speaker 10: that doesn't have America in the middle of it.
30:54
Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump's sent that signal pretty clearly, hasn't he
30:57
Speaker 2: that he didn't think NATO was all that much help
30:59
Speaker 2: When he and so you know he may be quite
31:02
Speaker 2: happy to sit there on the sideline. I note you
31:04
Speaker 2: talked there about us only having two seaworthy naval vessels, didn't.
31:10
Speaker 2: I hear the new head of the ADF the other
31:13
Speaker 2: day his name escapes me say that if we've got
31:17
Speaker 2: eight ships at sea, and if we needed to, we
31:20
Speaker 2: could quite easily send one off over there to help everybody.
31:27
Speaker 10: I think that showed why he's such a politically safe choice.
31:30
Speaker 10: This is Mike Hammond, the former chief of Navy who's
31:34
Speaker 10: becoming the Chief of the Defense Force. Those ten ships
31:37
Speaker 10: he talked about. Seven of those are ANZAC frigates and
31:41
Speaker 10: they're aging and fragile. He knows that better than I do.
31:45
Speaker 10: The other three are our air warfare destroyers. One of
31:49
Speaker 10: them is in a year's long billion dollar upgrade, so
31:53
Speaker 10: it's out of action. So we've got two frontline warships
31:56
Speaker 10: that we could conceivably send. And that's why I'm this
32:00
Speaker 10: fishing traller option.
32:03
Speaker 2: Well, the Australian defense industry, I mean the bureaucrats that
32:10
Speaker 2: are in uniform but run the Australian defense industries. They've
32:13
Speaker 2: always been very clever at being political, haven't they. That's
32:18
Speaker 2: how they survive.
32:21
Speaker 10: Well, that's how they get promoted to the top job,
32:24
Speaker 10: by presiding over a military that is small and getting
32:27
Speaker 10: weaker as the world gets more dangerous.
32:32
Speaker 2: The frightening thought. Let's talk drones. I mean Australia. Apparently,
32:35
Speaker 2: according to those same newly promoted military officers, we're going
32:41
Speaker 2: to buy cheap intercepted drones, including an Australian made is
32:46
Speaker 2: it sypack system after Ukraine showed that when you can
32:50
Speaker 2: keep burning million dollar missiles if you like, but you're
32:53
Speaker 2: better off using a twenty thousand dollars Kamikazi drone. I mean,
32:57
Speaker 2: what they've done, what they've produced in Ukraine and what
32:59
Speaker 2: they're using quite extraordinary. Why don't we just go to
33:02
Speaker 2: Ukraine and say, when you can, can you sell us
33:05
Speaker 2: some of your technology?
33:10
Speaker 1: Well, good point.
33:10
Speaker 10: I mean, tomorrow, the government is going to release their
33:13
Speaker 10: slightly rewarmed national defense strategy that's going to look eerily
33:17
Speaker 10: like the one they released two years ago. They talk
33:20
Speaker 10: an enormous game on drones. But let's compare what Australia
33:25
Speaker 10: is doing to what the Ukrainians are doing. The Ukrainians
33:28
Speaker 10: have an entire branch of their military called the Unmanned
33:31
Speaker 10: Systems Force. Today, Australia celebrated forming one small naval unit
33:37
Speaker 10: that's focused on autonomous systems, and this strategy they're releasing
33:41
Speaker 10: tomorrow will So they're putting an extra five billion dollars
33:45
Speaker 10: into autonomous systems over ten years. That's less than one
33:48
Speaker 10: percent of our defense budget, and we expect to be
33:52
Speaker 10: taken seriously.
33:55
Speaker 2: When you think about this a minute, geography is always
33:59
Speaker 2: part of our massive advantage, and it's also a massive disadvantage.
34:04
Speaker 2: I know that sounds counterintuitive, though, but if the drones
34:07
Speaker 2: that you can use in a place like Ukraine, and
34:09
Speaker 2: even the drones that the Uranians are using to attack
34:12
Speaker 2: Israel and to repel American attacks, do they have the
34:17
Speaker 2: range that would be required to be operationally successful in
34:21
Speaker 2: a country the size of Australia.
34:25
Speaker 10: Many of them don't, but more and more of them do.
34:29
Speaker 10: The Ukrainians are striking thousands of kilometers into Russia, They're
34:33
Speaker 10: striking shipping in the Mediterranean, and they're using drones launched
34:38
Speaker 10: from vessels of opportunity like surface drones or even container ships.
34:44
Speaker 10: So this distance thing only only makes us blind to
34:49
Speaker 10: the danger of drones and the need to invest far
34:53
Speaker 10: more in them. Side Pack's a great Australian company, but
34:56
Speaker 10: there's a tiny, tiny, rounding era of money going towards
35:00
Speaker 10: drones and counter drone systems under this government.
35:04
Speaker 2: And finally, we should look quite skeptically at what we
35:08
Speaker 2: hear from Defense tomorrow in the update on that defense plan.
35:13
Speaker 10: Absolutely unfortunately, it's going to look so much like the
35:17
Speaker 10: plan from twenty twenty four that the government is going
35:21
Speaker 10: to be desperate to find small beer changes they can
35:24
Speaker 10: dress up as big news. And the amount of change
35:28
Speaker 10: in the world in those two years is extraordinary. The
35:31
Speaker 10: more extraordinary thing is our government's defense plan does not change.
35:37
Speaker 2: Michael good to catch up, thank you very much, Michael
35:39
Speaker 2: Schubridge there, and that drone question is just extraordinary. We'll
35:43
Speaker 2: watch that with great interest tomorrow. Still to come. The
35:46
Speaker 2: UK Greens, I mean, what awful people they are. They're
35:49
Speaker 2: in trouble again after candidates were caught pushing vile Israeli smears,
35:54
Speaker 2: praising October seven and even flirting with nine to eleven
35:58
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories as I promised all night. Australia's trucking industry
36:02
Speaker 2: is warning it will not last six months parts of
36:05
Speaker 2: it if this fuel crisis keeps biting. National Road Transport
36:09
Speaker 2: Association CEO Warren Clark up next, welcome back to seat
36:17
Speaker 2: price infrashari As I mentioned the price of milk according
36:20
Speaker 2: to dairy farmers, milk, cheese, presumably butter and yogurt as
36:24
Speaker 2: well is likely to go up in supermarkets because of
36:28
Speaker 2: the fuel crisis.
36:29
Speaker 9: Now.
36:29
Speaker 2: All of those products, of course are transported by truck,
36:32
Speaker 2: and the trucking industry is being hit particularly hard. New
36:35
Speaker 2: South Wales government is still pushing electric freight trucks. I mean,
36:39
Speaker 2: as anyone, I've seen one of those drive between Sydney
36:42
Speaker 2: and Canberra and it was a stunt. They're not out
36:45
Speaker 2: there in any large number at all. I mean, the
36:48
Speaker 2: charging infrastructure is still poor. Reality on the ground just
36:52
Speaker 2: doesn't add up. Joining me now is National Road Transport
36:54
Speaker 2: Association CEO Warren Clark. Warren great to speak to you.
36:59
Speaker 2: How tough is it our there for your blokes?
37:02
Speaker 11: Look, I'd say it's probably as tough as the industry
37:05
Speaker 11: has seen it and it's about to get tougher. So yeah,
37:08
Speaker 11: things aren't good for the industry.
37:11
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly the price of diesel is making operational
37:14
Speaker 2: costs go through the roof. We had an example of
37:18
Speaker 2: just one truck driver talking about it. Fuel bill was
37:21
Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars a week. It's now ninety. I would
37:24
Speaker 2: imagine you'd have even more horrible examples of how that's happening. Right.
37:30
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that's pretty standard across the industry, to be honest,
37:34
Speaker 11: your your fuels at a dollar seventy one day, and
37:36
Speaker 11: then it's two dollars seventy. It's over three dollars a
37:39
Speaker 11: lead it now, right, So the impact on industry itself
37:43
Speaker 11: carrying that amount of cash flow is extremely hard, and
37:48
Speaker 11: it's very very hard for small business. So it's a
37:52
Speaker 11: tough time.
37:55
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the mechanics of that. So, if your
37:58
Speaker 2: fuel costs are as high as they are now, and
38:01
Speaker 2: they may come down, but they may not, this might
38:04
Speaker 2: get worse before it gets better. Are those costs able
38:08
Speaker 2: to be directly passed on down the chain or are
38:12
Speaker 2: exactly in some cases your members who are actually driving
38:15
Speaker 2: the trucks are owning the trucks having to wear that
38:18
Speaker 2: cost because it can't be passed on.
38:21
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, So look, it's a little bit complex, but
38:24
Speaker 11: basically a lot of the industry runs on a fuel
38:27
Speaker 11: levy and it does get passed on, However, that's not
38:30
Speaker 11: everyone and the time to pass it on is the concern.
38:35
Speaker 11: So obviously you deliver the load, you filled your truck up, etceter.
38:40
Speaker 11: You go through the day and the you know, you
38:43
Speaker 11: don't put your bill into the end of the month.
38:45
Speaker 11: So the whole industry is always you know, at least
38:48
Speaker 11: a month in a reears with cleaning back arise. What
38:53
Speaker 11: happens with that, though, is it becomes more and more
38:56
Speaker 11: precarious for the operator because our industry traditionally doesn't get
39:01
Speaker 11: paid every week. You know, they could be getting paid
39:03
Speaker 11: thirty sixty ninety all the way out to one hundred
39:06
Speaker 11: and eighty days. So when you're talking about small businesses
39:09
Speaker 11: carrying this sort of debt over that period of time,
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Speaker 11: I don't know what sort of small businesses are out
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Speaker 11: there that can actually cover it, and even the large
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Speaker 11: businesses would be struggling to be covering that.
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Speaker 2: Your association did a survey of one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: two truck as I mentioned it earlier, and that is
39:27
Speaker 2: quite revealing. Seventy percent of trucking operators you've found a
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Speaker 2: warning they might not be able to last six months
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Speaker 2: is this thing drags on smaller operators? Was seventy eight percent.
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Speaker 2: So when you say that if we get to that
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Speaker 2: six month point and trucks are parked up and people
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Speaker 2: are losing their incomes and their livelihood, what happens to
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Speaker 2: the movement of food around the country and everything else.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, look, this is the big question, right and people
39:59
Speaker 11: don't understan and until it starts to impact them. But
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Speaker 11: those statistics are now, they're not predictions, they're actually you
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Speaker 11: know what, our membership and some of the industry has
40:08
Speaker 11: told us that this is a dire state. People are
40:12
Speaker 11: parking up their trucks now. I think it's one in five,
40:16
Speaker 11: are laying off staff now. The only thing that can
40:22
Speaker 11: save it is that the fuel doesn't fluctuate, that people
40:25
Speaker 11: can continue along that their cash flow is covered. But
40:29
Speaker 11: if they don't, it's pretty simple that we breaks in
40:32
Speaker 11: the freight supply chain and there will be shortages. There's
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Speaker 11: nothing else. There's no other way I can put it,
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Speaker 11: you know, And it won't be something like through COVID.
40:42
Speaker 11: It'll be worse than COVID because we have fuel in COVID,
40:45
Speaker 11: and the issue here is fuel.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bione keeps coming out and talking about how well
40:51
Speaker 2: you know, supplies coming, the ships on the on the
40:53
Speaker 2: way here and diesel will keep being supplied. That's in
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Speaker 2: the short term. He doesn't too much further out like
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Speaker 2: you have in six months. Do you think the government
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Speaker 2: understands the perilous nature where the trucking industry is in
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Speaker 2: at the moment and what financial support have they offered
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Speaker 2: up so far?
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Speaker 11: So look, I think they're getting it. The issue with government,
41:21
Speaker 11: as we all know, is that it takes forever to
41:24
Speaker 11: make change, right. You know, we're seeing from the rooftops
41:28
Speaker 11: that industry is in trouble. And the big issue is that,
41:32
Speaker 11: you know, cash flow and like I say, cash is king.
41:35
Speaker 11: If you don't have enough money to put fuel in
41:38
Speaker 11: your truck, and then the truck's going to stop. Now,
41:40
Speaker 11: the government has done quite a few things to help industry,
41:45
Speaker 11: but one of the big things now, and it's been
41:47
Speaker 11: the whole thing the same way along, sorry, the whole
41:50
Speaker 11: way along, is that we need help with cash flow.
41:53
Speaker 4: Right.
41:54
Speaker 11: So, like I've said, payment terms aren't every week, they're
41:57
Speaker 11: a long period of time. So we've been asking for
41:59
Speaker 11: maratory on payments and the banks are coming along with that.
42:02
Speaker 11: They're doing stuff with their customers. One of the big
42:05
Speaker 11: issues that the government promised was zero free interest lanes
42:09
Speaker 11: to help people with their cash flow and to help
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Speaker 11: people cover their costs until we get paid. Now, this
42:16
Speaker 11: has not come in the place as of yet. They
42:19
Speaker 11: announced it on the second of April, and seriously we
42:22
Speaker 11: are still waiting for the details. I mean there's promises. Look,
42:26
Speaker 11: it's just around the corner. It's nearly there.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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Speaker 11: In government world that might be quick, but in real
42:33
Speaker 11: world business terms, we're hanging by a thread. It needs
42:37
Speaker 11: to happen. It needs to happen this week.
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Speaker 2: And you're talking federal government, not states.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, federal government.
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Speaker 2: Well that's fifteen days ago. I mean, we'll get onto
42:46
Speaker 2: the relevant Minister Warren tomorrow almost even get an answer
42:51
Speaker 2: on where those zero interest rate leans are. We'll keep
42:54
Speaker 2: in touch with you. I'd like to make sure we
42:56
Speaker 2: keep getting your message out there. Thanks for joining us tonight,
42:59
Speaker 2: and good luck to all the truckies who are out
43:00
Speaker 2: there trying to make a living. Thank you, Iren still
43:03
Speaker 2: to come. Prince Harry's back in Australia. I don't know
43:05
Speaker 2: why we bother talking about him, but we are. He's
43:08
Speaker 2: been out to the Western Bulldogs today trying to kick
43:10
Speaker 2: a football, took a swipe at his family. And in
43:13
Speaker 2: the UK, the Greens, they are loathsome the Greens in
43:16
Speaker 2: the UK, Tom Slater, up next, Welcome back to Denezia.
43:23
Speaker 2: Deniko de Giorgio coming up straight after me at the
43:25
Speaker 2: top of the hour. Now, the Greens in the UK,
43:28
Speaker 2: just like the Greens here in Australia, really do really
43:32
Speaker 2: do themselves no favors. I mean, candidates over there have
43:36
Speaker 2: blamed Israel for the Bondo Beach terror attack that is disgraceful,
43:40
Speaker 2: praise the October seven massacre in Israel, and even pushed
43:43
Speaker 2: nine to eleven conspiracy claims. I mean seriously. The UK
43:47
Speaker 2: Greens leader Zach Polanski now conceding they may need to
43:52
Speaker 2: distance themselves from some of the candidates. Yeah, no kidding, mate,
43:56
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss Spiked Online editor Tom Slater.
43:59
Speaker 2: Good to see again, Tom. What is it with the
44:02
Speaker 2: Greens around the world that they seem to have no
44:04
Speaker 2: concept of talking since when it comes to Israel, hemas
44:11
Speaker 2: the Middle East, I mean, they're all out of the
44:14
Speaker 2: same pack of cards mine.
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Speaker 1: It certainly seems that way.
44:18
Speaker 12: The Green Party in this country as well as in
44:20
Speaker 12: many other countries, has just become a magnet for all
44:22
Speaker 12: manners of anti Sea Mites and anti Israel bigots. I mean,
44:26
Speaker 12: the list goes on and on and on that There's
44:29
Speaker 12: a candidate called Mark Adeley and South London who, as
44:31
Speaker 12: you suggested, is compared Israel to Nazi Germany and effectively
44:34
Speaker 12: blamed Israel for Bondai Beach is another candidate in Birmingham,
44:38
Speaker 12: Kamal Hawash, who referred to the October sept terror attack
44:42
Speaker 12: as the Alaxa flood, using Hamas's language and praising its
44:46
Speaker 12: courage in the face of aggression.
44:48
Speaker 1: And then there's another candidate in North London.
44:50
Speaker 12: There's these Kikimi who, as you have already alluded to,
44:53
Speaker 12: suggested the Zionists were to blame for nine to eleven.
44:56
Speaker 12: This is pons come anti Semitism, There's no two ways
44:58
Speaker 12: about that. In this country, the Green Party become the
45:01
Speaker 12: kind of inheritors of Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party in becoming
45:05
Speaker 12: this kind of alliance between idiotic left wingers who have
45:08
Speaker 12: an obsession with Israel bordering on bigotry and sections of
45:12
Speaker 12: the British Muslim community who also glean towards this really despicable,
45:18
Speaker 12: kind of repackaged version of the world's oldest hatred. And
45:21
Speaker 12: to add insult to injury, you get those respons from
45:23
Speaker 12: the top which is like, we'll have a word with them,
45:25
Speaker 12: maybe they need to delete a few posts. We don't
45:27
Speaker 12: agree with them on it, on everything. That's clearly not enough.
45:30
Speaker 12: So they're clearly.
45:31
Speaker 1: Tolerating this as much as anything else.
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Speaker 2: At this point, Tom, I can go back to the
45:37
Speaker 2: days of Bob Brown and the Greens in Australia, where
45:39
Speaker 2: it was all about, you know, stopping dams from damming
45:42
Speaker 2: up rivers, protecting trees, looking after frogs and koalas, and
45:47
Speaker 2: making sure the environment was looked after. They almost have
45:51
Speaker 2: to change the name of their party. I mean, I
45:53
Speaker 2: don't think you hear too much from the Greens in
45:56
Speaker 2: the UK, do you about looking after the English countryside?
46:02
Speaker 1: No, that's a very good point.
46:03
Speaker 12: I mean, at their recent party conference, the vast majority
46:05
Speaker 12: of the motions that they debated were not about the
46:08
Speaker 12: environment at all.
46:08
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be the Green Parties.
46:10
Speaker 12: There's a lot of sections of in it who might
46:11
Speaker 12: have been supporting it for many decades, who are wondering
46:14
Speaker 12: suddenly why harmss apologism has taken the place of concern
46:18
Speaker 12: about waterways and biodiversity. But that's the world that we
46:22
Speaker 12: live in, unfortunately, and this is the problem. It's just
46:24
Speaker 12: it washes up this stuff on all sections of the
46:27
Speaker 12: left now, including parties which nominally are less to do
46:29
Speaker 12: something quite discreet and quite distinct.
46:33
Speaker 2: Harry and Megan to hear an actual whipe to make money.
46:37
Speaker 2: Probably it seems to me there's no other reason for
46:40
Speaker 2: them to be here. Harry's doing a November Q and
46:43
Speaker 2: A in Melbourne today, kicking around an Australian rules football
46:47
Speaker 2: once again earing family grievances in Hubbling. This time he
46:51
Speaker 2: says his kids are his upgrade, taking a swipe at
46:55
Speaker 2: his father. I mean, goodness sake. I mean, wouldn't he
46:59
Speaker 2: want to mind his relationship with the king rather than
47:02
Speaker 2: doing this to them.
47:04
Speaker 12: You would think, though, But he seems intent on just
47:06
Speaker 12: inflicting his own family dramas and euroses on the rest
47:10
Speaker 12: of the public. Of course, this is always presented as
47:12
Speaker 12: opening up about his mental health.
47:14
Speaker 1: Why it's so important that we will talk.
47:16
Speaker 12: About our problems in our lives and in our families.
47:20
Speaker 12: But there's a certain point in which opening up about
47:22
Speaker 12: your mental health is just an excuse to talk endlessly
47:24
Speaker 12: about yourself and your own grievances. I think Prince Harry
47:27
Speaker 12: is a perfect example of that, and it just seems
47:30
Speaker 12: to inflict this on whatever nation who is unlucky enough
47:34
Speaker 12: to experience one of these kind of quasi royal visits
47:37
Speaker 12: that him and MEGANA are embarking upon.
47:39
Speaker 2: You'll be pleased to know Megan turned up at a
47:42
Speaker 2: homeless women's shelter in Melbourne yesterday wearing a twelve hundred
47:45
Speaker 2: dollar design address, two thousand dollars shoes, expensive earrings. I mean,
47:51
Speaker 2: I'm not surprising you with any of that, but that's
47:53
Speaker 2: what's happening. Apparently. Now she's even secretly gone out and
47:56
Speaker 2: filmed an episode of a top running TV show called Mastershift.
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Speaker 2: Tom great to join you. Thank you. You can take
48:03
Speaker 2: all that Peter kredline calls them the ginger and the Winder.
48:07
Speaker 2: You can have that line for nothing, mate, Take it
48:09
Speaker 2: from Peter and use it where you will. Thank you, Tom.
48:13
Speaker 2: I'll catch you again soon, coming up at the top
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Speaker 2: of the hour, of course, Danika di Giorgio, I'll be
48:18
Speaker 2: back tomorrow night.