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- 1:00:00are harmful algal blooms disoriented in
- 1:00:02whales to the point where
- 1:00:02it's putting them in danger?
- 1:00:04That is the question that we're going to
- 1:00:05ask today. There's an
- 1:00:06article on Manga Bay News
- 1:00:07that asked this question and there's some
- 1:00:09studies that suggest
- 1:00:10this might happen, but
- 1:00:12maybe a little controversy because it's
- 1:00:13really difficult to
- 1:00:14tell. We're going to find out
- 1:00:15all about that controversy on today's
- 1:00:17episode of the How to
- 1:00:18Protect the Ocean podcast. Let's
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- 1:00:35on today's episode, we're going to be
- 1:00:37talking about whales
- 1:00:38and are they being affected by harmful
- 1:00:40algal blooms? That's going to be the
- 1:00:43subject. It's going to be
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- 1:01:38We're going to be talking about whales
- 1:01:39and we're going to be talking about
- 1:01:40harmful algal blooms also known as habs,
- 1:01:43not the Montreal
- 1:01:44Canadians as known as habs.
- 1:01:45These are harmful algal blooms. Although
- 1:01:47if you're a leaf fan, you might want to
- 1:01:50refer to the Montreal Canadian habs as
- 1:01:53harmful algal blooms.
- 1:01:54I'm not sure. It's a Canadian joke. It's
- 1:01:56an NHL joke. Okay. This is a dad joke, I
- 1:01:58guess. I don't know. Let's
- 1:01:59just get on with the show.
- 1:02:01So here's the situation. So there was a
- 1:02:02study that was published in frontiers in
- 1:02:05marine science in November. And this was
- 1:02:08from an author that was independent.
- 1:02:11So his name is Greg Silver. He
- 1:02:12co-authored it with his daughter, Katie
- 1:02:14Silver, and they wanted to explore the
- 1:02:16link between habs, harmful
- 1:02:19algal blooms, and whale deaths.
- 1:02:21Which is really interesting because those
- 1:02:22have never really been put together. If
- 1:02:24you don't know what I have is harmful
- 1:02:26algal blooms, essentially what it is.
- 1:02:28It's a number of cells that have come
- 1:02:29together in the ocean due to wind
- 1:02:32patterns and heat in the ocean, as well
- 1:02:35as the right mix of nutrients.
- 1:02:37So phosphate and nitrates that allow this
- 1:02:40bloom to happen and this algal when it
- 1:02:42blooms together, it forms a toxin that
- 1:02:45can be hurtful to not only marine
- 1:02:47animals, but also humans.
- 1:02:49We've seen them and I've discussed them
- 1:02:50on the podcast along Florida's coastline.
- 1:02:53We've seen them happen a lot because of
- 1:02:55the nutrients that are disposed of into
- 1:02:57the ocean, as well as the increased sea
- 1:02:59surface temperature from climate change
- 1:03:01and wind patterns, bringing them all
- 1:03:03together, mixing up into a really nasty
- 1:03:06harmful algal bloom.
- 1:03:07So we've seen these not only in the Gulf
- 1:03:09Coast, but also on the Atlantic, on the
- 1:03:11Pacific side, and the authors here
- 1:03:13studied this. Katie is an ecologist at
- 1:03:16the Institute of Applied Ecology in Santa
- 1:03:18Fe, New Mexico, and they studied the
- 1:03:19timing location of the hab events
- 1:03:21alongside large whale mortalities and
- 1:03:24injuries along coastal waters.
- 1:03:26So they analyzed the data from the East
- 1:03:28Coast from 2000 to 2021 and the West
- 1:03:30Coast from 2007 to 2021 from UNESCO's
- 1:03:34harmful algal database and NOAA's
- 1:03:36National Marine Mammal Health and
- 1:03:38Stranding Response Program.
- 1:03:40So both of these carry this large
- 1:03:41database of information, one on marine
- 1:03:43mammals, one on harmful algal blooms.
- 1:03:46They decided to put that together and
- 1:03:47they looked at only cases of whale injury
- 1:03:50or death attributed to human activity.
- 1:03:52So that's excluding those attributed to
- 1:03:54natural or unknown causes.
- 1:03:56So essentially what happens in these
- 1:03:57strandings is a whale will come on to the
- 1:04:00shore and it'll most likely die.
- 1:04:02Hopefully sometimes they're okay and they
- 1:04:04can be put back into the
- 1:04:05ocean with the stranding teams.
- 1:04:07But a lot of the times they're stranded,
- 1:04:09they're dead and they
- 1:04:10have to do a necropsy.
- 1:04:11So some of the time they can find out
- 1:04:12what it is, not all the time, but some of
- 1:04:14the time they can find out what was the
- 1:04:15cause of death, whether it's a ship
- 1:04:17strike or whether they see fishing ropes
- 1:04:19along the body of a whale.
- 1:04:21That's actually cutting into the whale.
- 1:04:22All that stuff is looked at, right?
- 1:04:25Now, I should mention that a lot of the
- 1:04:27necropsis come back with no cause or
- 1:04:29there's so many causes, it's difficult to
- 1:04:30tell what the cause of.
- 1:04:32They could have ingested plastic
- 1:04:33pollution. They could have been really
- 1:04:34thin from malnutrition.
- 1:04:36They could have been hit by a ship that
- 1:04:38may or may not show that they're hit by a
- 1:04:40ship and they may have some kind of
- 1:04:42entanglement or signs of an entanglement.
- 1:04:44But we're not sure if it's an actual rope
- 1:04:46or a line or what have you.
- 1:04:47So it's very difficult to tell, but they
- 1:04:49only went with the ones where they knew
- 1:04:51that it was a human activity that causes
- 1:04:53the ship strikes or entanglement.
- 1:04:55So they're finding they said the number
- 1:04:56of mortality and injuries was frequently
- 1:04:59higher in years of
- 1:05:00large scale or severe habs.
- 1:05:02So in other words, areas where there were
- 1:05:03hab events that were also overlapped by
- 1:05:06strandings or deaths caused by those
- 1:05:08human activities,
- 1:05:09they could attribute it.
- 1:05:11They basically came back and attributed
- 1:05:12it to the harmful algal bloom, the hab
- 1:05:15event, having an impact on the whale.
- 1:05:17They didn't really go and say, hey, you
- 1:05:20know what? There was actually signs of
- 1:05:22habs like of these harmful
- 1:05:23algal blooms in the whales.
- 1:05:25But they just basically assumed that if
- 1:05:27there was one around in the spatial area
- 1:05:30of where this fatality occurred, then
- 1:05:32this was one of the reasons.
- 1:05:34And their interpretation was that some of
- 1:05:36the toxins that are produced from the
- 1:05:39harmful algal blooms
- 1:05:40could disorient the whale.
- 1:05:49So that's it. So one of the toxins, the
- 1:05:51most common genus on both coasts was saxy
- 1:05:54toxin producing
- 1:05:55dinoflagellate called alexandrium.
- 1:05:58So experts know that this toxin can
- 1:05:59affect marine mammals nerves and muscles
- 1:06:01dulling their senses and reducing the
- 1:06:03ability to move properly.
- 1:06:05So if you're trying to get away, if you
- 1:06:06see a ship and kind of gone through this
- 1:06:08harmful algal bloom, you get enough of
- 1:06:10those toxins to
- 1:06:11actually make a difference.
- 1:06:12It disorients you a little bit. It causes
- 1:06:14some muscle failure. You can't get out of
- 1:06:16the way the ship and boom, you get hit by
- 1:06:17ship. That could be a problem. Right?
- 1:06:19That makes sense. If you are interpreting
- 1:06:21it in that kind of way.
- 1:06:23The runner up was pseudo nitsia that the
- 1:06:25study found, although it was more common
- 1:06:27on the west coast than the east coast,
- 1:06:29this diatom produces damoic acid toxins
- 1:06:32that can cause marine mammals to become
- 1:06:33confused, move strangely
- 1:06:35and even have seizures.
- 1:06:37So again, these algal toxins could affect
- 1:06:40the way this animal moves through the
- 1:06:42water to be able to get away from a ship
- 1:06:45or even identify and
- 1:06:46move away from a line.
- 1:06:48Just a note, having a line like go up and
- 1:06:51down in the water column is very
- 1:06:52difficult to tell just from humans.
- 1:06:54Imagine a whale trying to travel through
- 1:06:56that and gets caught on
- 1:06:57its fin on his pectoral fin.
- 1:06:59And then all of a sudden, you're like,
- 1:07:00Whoa, hold on a second. Like, this is
- 1:07:02actually hurting. It's digging into my
- 1:07:04pectoral fin. What am I going to do?
- 1:07:06So that's a problem as well. You don't
- 1:07:08want to fly into those things, especially
- 1:07:09if you feel disoriented or kind of moving
- 1:07:11strangely, you don't really
- 1:07:12have control over your body.
- 1:07:14So the authors essentially concluded that
- 1:07:16swimming through these harmful algal
- 1:07:19blooms can influence the ability of these
- 1:07:21whales moving out of the way of danger,
- 1:07:23whether it be a ship strike or whether it
- 1:07:25be an entanglement with the fishing gear.
- 1:07:27That was the interpretation, essentially,
- 1:07:29based on the spatial distribution of the
- 1:07:32Habs event as well as where
- 1:07:34these whale fatalities were.
- 1:07:36A NOAA research ecologist by the name of
- 1:07:39Elliot Hansen, who was not involved in
- 1:07:41the study, expressed skepticism over the
- 1:07:43explanation for the increased whale
- 1:07:45deaths and injuries due
- 1:07:46to human cause during Habs.
- 1:07:47For instance, Hansen said warm water can
- 1:07:50cause Habs, but can also drive anchovies
- 1:07:52and their whale predators closer to shore
- 1:07:54where pot fishing is more common, thus
- 1:07:57potentially increasing
- 1:07:58the risk of entanglement.
- 1:07:59So the correlation is the dominant factor
- 1:08:02with warm water often leading to increase
- 1:08:04Habs and ensure compression of whale
- 1:08:07prey. On the other hand, Hansen says
- 1:08:08fishery closures resulting from Habs can
- 1:08:11actually reduce entanglement risk further
- 1:08:14complicating the picture.
- 1:08:15Similarly with vessel strikes, Hansen
- 1:08:17said that while it's possible that Habs
- 1:08:19that cause democ toxicity in krill eating
- 1:08:22whales that impairs their ability to
- 1:08:24avoid ships, there is no evidence to
- 1:08:25support or refute it.
- 1:08:27So again, the enabling conditions of warm
- 1:08:30water may have effects on
- 1:08:31both parts of the ecosystem.
- 1:08:33What Hansen is saying essentially is,
- 1:08:35yes, this could happen, but there's no
- 1:08:38real evidence to say it does or it
- 1:08:40doesn't. You would almost have to find a
- 1:08:42way to make sure that there are Habs in
- 1:08:44the whales to say, yes, Habs is actually
- 1:08:48one of the causes of these whale deaths
- 1:08:50that disorient them and cause them to not
- 1:08:53avoid ship strikes or
- 1:08:54entanglements from fishing gear.
- 1:08:56But the real cause here is warm water
- 1:08:59that's caused by climate change that
- 1:09:01helps these harmful algal blooms develop.
- 1:09:03Right? Like I said at the beginning,
- 1:09:05harmful algal blooms developed by a
- 1:09:07combination of warm water, wind pattern
- 1:09:09and nutrients coming in at the right time
- 1:09:12to form this red tide or harmful algal
- 1:09:14blooms that becomes toxic in the water
- 1:09:17and can kill and affect a lot of animals.
- 1:09:19Elliot Hansen also wanted to clarify that
- 1:09:22it is difficult to detect and document
- 1:09:24entanglements and ship strikes,
- 1:09:26especially when it's further offshore. It
- 1:09:28makes it even harder to definitively
- 1:09:30determine whether Habs are
- 1:09:32behind the whale injuries.
- 1:09:33In other words, it's difficult to say,
- 1:09:35hey, there's ship strikes and there's
- 1:09:37whale entanglements offshore. That's
- 1:09:38what's causing the death of this whale.
- 1:09:40It's difficult to say that because
- 1:09:41they're further offshore. It's harder to
- 1:09:42monitor. Now imagine throwing Habs on it.
- 1:09:45So here's the thing. We have authors that
- 1:09:47were published in a journal article that
- 1:09:49was peer reviewed that says, Hey, you
- 1:09:50know what? There could be something to
- 1:09:51this, but it's still at a very beginning
- 1:09:53stage in understanding the effects of
- 1:09:56Habs in the cause of whale deaths and
- 1:09:58around ship strikes and
- 1:09:59fishing gear entanglement.
- 1:10:01So the question really asked is like, is
- 1:10:03this a bad science move? Are the authors
- 1:10:05moving and just being like, we're just
- 1:10:07assuming this. This happens all the time.
- 1:10:10We see this in science. And what we'll
- 1:10:12see is that something is published.
- 1:10:13A scientist will critique the article or
- 1:10:16two or three or four. Usually they have
- 1:10:17to go through an editorial process and
- 1:10:20then people will have a debate back and
- 1:10:21forth. There's no emotions. There's no
- 1:10:23disrespect in there for the most part.
- 1:10:26But essentially what happens is a science
- 1:10:27gets better as we go along. What we've
- 1:10:29determined here is that in even the
- 1:10:31authors suggest that the more research
- 1:10:33needs to be done to determine the effect
- 1:10:35of Habs on these deaths with ship strikes
- 1:10:37and fishing gear entanglements.
- 1:10:39But this is science. This is the way
- 1:10:41science works. I want to highlight this
- 1:10:43article specifically because it has some
- 1:10:45controversy around it. I'm going to be
- 1:10:47focusing on this topic next episode, but
- 1:10:49we've seen science really come into
- 1:10:51question. Not only in marine science, but
- 1:10:53we've seen science in medical science,
- 1:10:55also in nutritional science. Everything
- 1:10:56is being questioned, which I get. You
- 1:10:59have to ask questions. But the reason why
- 1:11:01you're asking questions, you're trying to
- 1:11:03determine an answer. And when somebody
- 1:11:05comes up with the answer, which hopefully
- 1:11:06they will soon enough when more research is done, then you can ask questions.
- 1:11:08And if more research is done, then we'll
- 1:11:10be able to have those answers. The crux
- 1:11:12of the matter is, is when you get the
- 1:11:13answers, will you accept it? That's
- 1:11:16really what it comes down to. And some
- 1:11:17people will and some people won't. But
- 1:11:19this is what science is all about. It's
- 1:11:21to provide evidence. You can start and
- 1:11:23suggest stuff and it may or may not work.
- 1:11:26You come up with a hypothesis. You test
- 1:11:27that hypothesis to see if you can falsify
- 1:11:30it, to see if it's wrong. And when you
- 1:11:31find out it isn't wrong or it is wrong,
- 1:11:34you interpret it accordingly.
- 1:11:36And then you do more research based on
- 1:11:38what the answer is and how you're going
- 1:11:40to interpret it. So that's science.
- 1:11:42That's the beauty of science. And I
- 1:11:44wanted you to have a taste of this just
- 1:11:46to get to see what this is all about. So
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