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Grandma's House Of Revolving Ghosts · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back, all occult.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hope everybody is doing good, and we are going to jump right into this listener experience.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This comes to us from a member of the
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  [SPEAKER_03]: which I didn't happen to write down.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It may be anonymous, but they said they left their name.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it gets messed up, but it is, it is a holocult listener experience.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, it is called grandma's house of revolving ghosts.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's gross, which is kind of awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, okay, howlcolt member says.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, hollow boys and hollow cult.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: First of all, let me start by saying, thank you for all the work you both put in with the podcast and creating such a supportive community.
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: As someone who was always very interested in the paranormal from the young age, I was always very open to the vast majority of things.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, keep a healthy skeptical outlook.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Personally, I find a majority of quote famous hauntings to be mainly BS.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Growing up in Illinois as you know, there isn't much to do if you're in a small town, other than drink, only if you're legal age, of course, for legal reasons, and walk around said small town.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I grew up in a town called Farmington.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I no longer live there, so feel free to say my name.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Or say the name, not my name, the name.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I already said Farmington, there it is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The house I spent the vast majority of my childhood in no longer stands, but it was right across a lot from the local cemetery, which my bedroom faced.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: it seemed like most nights when you would look out into the dark, you could see people walking around between the gravestones.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, all of this could be chalked up to a child having an overactive imagination, but at the time it felt too real to be something from my imagination.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that isn't the main point of the sea mail, just another fun little experience.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: As a person that's grown up and currently lives by a cemetery, I get it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I get it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It can get weird.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The real story involved my grandmother's home and can't Illinois.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, feel free to say the name as she no longer lives there.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been there.
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I've been there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been there.
• 8:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been there too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I've trimmed up trimmed can before.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I've been there too.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: To put everyone in the state of mind of what the house was like, I feel it's important to understand the house's layout.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Once you walked into the home, you entered into the living room.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The TV stand was in the corner of the room, so when sitting, watching TV, you could see into the dining room.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: From the dining room, you could take a door to go upstairs where you could go into two bedrooms and a small attic space.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If you would continue through the dining room into the kitchen, you'd turn left to go outside or right to go to the bathroom, or go through a doorway in order to get to the basement.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandparents' room was accessible through the bathroom or through the living room where the French door blocked it out from the living room.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Now the actual meat of the story.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: All the older members of my family, my mom, my aunt, my uncle, my grandmother, would make remarks about odd happenings, but whenever the younger children mainly myself would ask what they meant, the conversation would suddenly end.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Later on in life, I asked my mom to type or I asked my mom the type of things that they had experienced.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was mainly your classic hauntings, things such as footsteps, things not being where you left them, a random whistling every so often, but nothing that ever felt threatening so life continued as it would, just like with everyone else.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: After so long, my uncle and older cousin moved in with my grandmother.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: For my understanding, things continued mainly as normal, except for the random odd things that you could easily brush away.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My uncle and cousin had their own rooms one to the left and one to the right in the upstairs of the house.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: According to them one night when being just the two of them in the house, they heard a woman's scream.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Which usually I would chalk up to simply passing by the house.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But to this day, they both stand by that they heard the scream come from in between their two bedrooms.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Then once again, time goes on just like everyone else.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Life doesn't stop just because odd things are happening.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother has a certain style of decorating.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Her has a certain style of decorating her kitchen.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Lots of chickens.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And at the time, for reasons.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: or at the time for some reason, purple paint.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This seemed to be, or this seemed to pull the classic issue of causing things to fire up heavy, cast iron skillets to the hung on the wall began to randomly be thrown.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I thought this from a logical standpoint, you know, maybe they weren't hung up well and just began to slip over time before finally falling to the ground.
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that wasn't the case.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: These cast iron were ending up halfway across the room instead of just falling to the floor.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Finally after getting tired of everything, according to my grandmother, she finally certainly said, listen, this is my home now.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll decorate it how I wish you're welcome to stay, but you won't continue acting this way.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And this oddly seemed to work as things calm down for the most part.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty, pretty stout, poltergeist activity throwing cast iron pants because they are not light.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that, I would say that's no joke.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody, somebody was a little pissy and throwing a temper tantrum.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they definitely got grandma's attention.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I do love the fact that grandma put her foot down, like you would imagine a grandma doing and saying, uh, not in my house.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: not happening.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if the purple paint itself like set off something or if it was just changing of the house like her decorating it her own way because you hear that off whenever someone comes into a place that has activity and they start changing things remodeling and it kind of sparks it up.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder if there's anything specifically to purple.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We cannot, we cannot have this.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like how, I like how the old school, I, I call it that, the old school generations just literally, like you said, put their foot down, like no, they didn't happen in.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: The same thing happened with my grandparents in their house, just kinda,
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: equating stories here, but there was a lot of stuff that used to go on in my grandparent's house and my grandpa finally got to the point where he was like, you are no longer welcome here.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're done with it and just the same as this, they just kind of went away.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But I like that they just face it head on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't care.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate that too.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like in today's world, people are a little more soft where they're like, oh no, what do I do?
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, back then, grandma Grandpa didn't give a shit.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I appreciate.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, dump it back into it, it's important to note my uncle lost his daughter to leukemia when she was a baby.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was only about a year old at the time, but seeing the pain on my family's faces through the years showed just how devastating it was for my family.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother used to bake and decorate wetting cakes for a side hustle, which of course my fat ass was always excited about the scraps that would be left from the cakes felt.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Feel it.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: While working on a cake, my grandma said that someone would keep tugging on her pants and apron, like a small child looking for a small child that was looking for a tension would do.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, she tried to ignore it and brush it off until it just became more and more persistent.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Finally, she called out to the air from my uncle's daughter, which then caused her pants to be tugged on once again.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother being the person she is asked my uncle's daughter if she wanted to go look at pretty cakes.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where did this day?
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother still swears that she felt someone take her hand and walk into the kitchen with her.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yet once again, time just always continued on.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: At this point, I would be around 16 and my older cousins was still living with my grandmother at the time.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would go spend the night and do completely legal things with my cousins.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I do like to say the wholesomeness of it, it may be being the spirit of the dead.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: daughter, I guess it'd be granddaughter to the grandmother and how she was terrible thing to go through.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's terrible.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is awful.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like how she was you know, almost compassionate to whatever spirit was there.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Be it the granddaughter or not, because
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: If it's, if it's causing a ruckus, she put her foot down and put it into it, but if it was just curious, she almost embraced it, you know?
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is really wholesome knowing grandma had that feeling of a hand fitting into hers and then like that's, that's bizarre, man.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's awesome at the same time.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine, I know that there's no comfort that'll ever be enough for that situation, but it has to be a form of comfort having that feeling.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, almost make you smile and your heart warm a little bit to that idea that your loved one is still here and their experience and life with you to a degree.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and whenever she called out the name, she got a response, which is definitely makes you consider your position on the paranormal and existence after this plane of existence, I guess.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So back to doing completely legal things one night it's just me and my cousin or just my cousin and I and the house eating dinner and watching some stupid go show I brought up that I didn't think anything in the house I didn't think anything was in the house and then it was probably all just simple things that could be explained off as I said this I was walking toward the kitchen passing the door to go upstairs which suddenly open slowly on its own
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I simply just wrote it off as it wasn't closed all the way, and me walking caused a device break causing it to open super simple.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I go close the door and accidentally push it past the latch.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now this wasn't a big deal, it was fairly common to happen, but it was a pain in the house to fix.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You'd have to put all your weight into pulling on the door to get it to go back in.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I didn't want to deal with that at the moment, so I just left it, went to the kitchen, and as I walked back through the open door, once again, or as I walked back through, the door opened once again, which my cousin swore he hadn't mess with.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was a bit creeped off, creeped out, but I still brushed it off.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's classic.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds familiar.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Classic.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Just ignore it
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now I'm not certain on the time frame since it wasn't like all this would happen one after another after another.
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Something would happen for a while and then it would suddenly stop.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the major things that would always seem to happen when you would come downstairs from the bedrooms, it would sound like someone would follow you downstairs with just a few steps behind you.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: This could be wrote off as the floors popping back into place in a way, but it felt rhythmic to be felt rhythmic to be that simple, especially since it would only seem to happen later at night.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think you can just write that off to the house settling if it only happened during the night and when you were going down the stairs.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it also sounds like something that we would say if that were happening to us.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could definitely understand the the forced logic behind that.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: You just try to make it something that you can figure out.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes it seemed that the footsteps would follow you through the kitchen, or they would seem to stop a few steps behind you.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: This was so common that I got to the point of saying, stop, I'm going to the bathroom, I'll be right back.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I swear, the footsteps wouldn't start again until crossing their threshold from the kitchen to the dining room.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: My cousin claimed he would see a man in the basement when doing laundry, and it felt like he was being watched.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I never personally had anything happened in the basement, but I also wouldn't go down there
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: My grandmother kept a spare mattress in the spare room for when another one of the grandchildren of my older cousins friend or my older cousins friends would want to stay over.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when I would stay, I'd drag the spare mattress into the cousin's room and sleep on the floor.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: One night, we'll laying there, scrolling through one night, we'll laying there, scrolling through my money, the door began to rattle before popping open.
• 19:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was odd, but again, I tried to write most things off.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get up close the door and lay back down, simple as that.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: After a few moments, the door pops back open again.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm thinking the latch is messed up.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I put the mattress against the door to help keep it closed and go about my night.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now the door knobs were these older black shiny knobs.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you know what I'm talking about so I don't sound like a moron.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, laying there, I could see the door knob begin to rotate slowly back and forth.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: At that point, me being who I am, I decided to say something smartass, like, oh, guess you're not open in it now.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I swear, right after seeing this, the closet door opens on its own.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: This didn't feel threatening.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't feel threatening or anything more like a joke like someone being like, oh, yeah, watch this We just laughed about it shut the door and went on with the night.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean what the hell am I what the hell else am I supposed to do honestly?
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I Like that it's it's almost got a playful demeanor Throwing throw in the cast iron pots isn't that playful, but
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: the curious little ghost in the kitchen and this one messin with the doors back and forth and almost Almost responding to the communication that they have like walking down the stairs.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be right back and then it doesn't follow them and Then yeah, it is it is like there's a level of respect there.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or care or compassion or whatever it may be Because you would think of it as a malicious spirit.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't give a shit.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: No No, and you've heard more you would think that it would get more angry
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: If, you know, like, oh, you're open the door now, but then it just throws the mattress.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was expecting the door to like try to jam open, like some like kick it.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is, it is like a, like, an interesting respect is a good word for it.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's strange.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's strange that there's like, there's rapport there.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a connection there.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to like, fathom, you know, you're just like a chillin' with ghosts.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just two planes of existence like existing within one another.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they're both okay with each other.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just like, yeah, you know.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hang out.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The odd happenings in the house would seem to almost evolve what was originally just footsteps became kids running up and down the stairway or being in the spare bedroom laughing.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then one night once again, I'm staying at my grandmother's laying on the spare mattress in my cousin's bedroom relaxing.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was late at night and at this point we heard the kids start to laugh.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And by this time, it was just whatever it would just happen, you would turn up the TV and ignore it.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't till from the spare bedroom, you'd begin to hear kids jumping up and down on the mattress.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the spare one that I'm currently laying on in a separate room from the noise.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, is it ghost mattress a thing?
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Are the ghosts just making noise that we would recognize?
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or were we somehow just having the same auditory hallucination?
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's weird.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: hearing them jump up and down on the mattress that isn't there.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes it sound residual.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And further that point, it makes you wonder what the fuck happened in that house.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a sound.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you're reporting more than one child goes, I have questions.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It almost makes you think like it's a dimension slip or a timeline slip that you have almost like the others, like you have two planes of existence existing at the same time.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just outside of just outside of each other's like peripherals.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: My older cousin had a large pitbull at the time named Parker, who was the sweetest dog I've probably ever been around.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: While trying to clean out the attic one day, Parker got in between my grandmother and began to grow at the opposite end of the ladder, attic, and started to push her out of the room.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now this dog would never grow unless he felt like someone wasn't right.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, he loved everyone.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: The show Ghostfiles did an episode in Canton where supposedly an old woman who passed near my grandmother's home at the time had dementia and would wonder wonder between the houses in the area.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows if any of that is true or not, I just thought it was a fun little thing to add.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: After my grandparents moved out of the home, and into their current home, some people milder cousins knew at the time moved in, and that's when things started to feel aggressive.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: At this point in time, it was my cousin, L, or my cousin, L, and C. I won't use their real names just to be respectful.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, L was for the most part a decent dude.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had his moments just like anyone else.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, on the other hand, it wasn't right mentally.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know what exactly it was, but he had serious issues.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: At first things were fine in the house, just everyday living, just everyday living every so often, the odd thing happening, but nothing new, really.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, see it moved into my grandparents' old bedroom with the French doors.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in the bottom left, a glass pain suddenly one day a face appeared and it never went away.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now I understand there was a thing where the brain will look for patterns, but everyone who looked at it right away said it was a face.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't really describe the face as it didn't have any special traits other than being twisted and it wasn't right if felt angry almost painful.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The energy in the house became more aggressive with both the phenomena and the people in the house.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was constant fighting between everyone which just became more and more aggressive until a fire arm was pulled out one night.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: As for me though, the big thing that sent it all over the top happened one night when it was only Parker and I in the house.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They had kept the same layout of the house as my grandparents, when it came to the TV being in the corner of the room in the couch as facing where you could see
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: and most of the kitchen.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: As I'm watching TV eating dinner out of the corner of my eye, I see a black silhouette lean out from the doorway of the kitchen and into the dining room.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Something about it made my body freeze.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it was just staring at me with hate, and everything in my body said not to look.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I tried to ignore it where it just sat there.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, during this time, Parker was next to me on the couch when I noticed him freeze when he looked over the black silhouette.
• 26:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Quickly, then quickly back to me, almost as if to confirm what he was seeing.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I finally said, screw it.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Without looking up, I put out my shoes, put Parker on his leash, and I walked out the door.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was the last time I stayed in that house, not long after my cousin's moved out of the house.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Along with C, I don't know if, or along with L, I don't know if C still lives there or not.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if C, or whoever lives there now has had any weird happenings.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Supposedly, the original owner of the home was highly abusive and ended up murdering his wife and children in the attic space.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm unaware of how true that actually is.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: That makes a lot of sense.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll head it on the head.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: My family was literally going to ask where a bunch of kids killed there or where that was there like a pandemic or something.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, where the outbreak of something that kind of fell onto the family and created some deaths in the house.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because at first, it almost seemed like the house was changing with the demeanor of the inhabitants.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then it was like they got to a point where they ventured into the attic and stumbled across something.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: a little more sinister.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, almost like it made like that sinister being was, I don't know, whether it be held there or just kind of dormant there.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then once the fresh meat so to speak, peers, it's like, oh, all right.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it almost, it almost seems like it fed off the
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it was probably pretty docile, you know, you just had a bunch of grandkids running around, having a good time and for the most part it seemed like that energy wasn't negative.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: The pot throwing a little bit negative, obviously, but that could also be attributed to changing the change in the interior of the kitchen, which is kind of a common ghost rope as we talked about.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it seemed like it really sparked up like I was at after the attic was kind of messed with, but also after the problematic for lack of a better term person moved in with the cousin.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's like once that once that negative energy was kind of put out there.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: then the negative energy took over.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe maybe in a weird way it made each side stronger.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, whenever the love side was there kind of gave that aspect of the family a little more strength.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when the negative side was there, it kind of fed that.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in an almost in a weird way, it almost feels like almost like a residual, but like an interactive residual.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it also may have played out the way the family would have died.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't, I wouldn't, I would like to tell myself, and I know there's variables, but I'd like to tell myself that at one point the original family that, you know, may or may not have been murdered was a decent family.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: and then over time things eroded and kind of obviously went south.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it kind of plays out the same way.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Historically, for grandma and them, like there was just a lot of, aside from the, you know, the pots being thrown, you said, but there's a lot of playfulness, there's a lot of mindfulness, and then it kind of gradually proceeds into a more and more hostile environment.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you hit the nail in the head when you said it could be partially residual, like from the children playing in the bedroom, was probably a common occurrence in that house when that other family lived there.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that really, that really hit it there.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, they finish it off with my family, including myself.
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've had a few more weird experiences, but nothing truly noteworthy.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry if this is all over the place.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: This has been quite sometimes, it's all this has happened.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, thank you guys for everything that you do with the podcast and the community that you've built.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, they do put their name, but they ask that it not be read.
• 30:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's probably a good thing in the first part.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, very interesting.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: very interesting set of circumstances there.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like the story does make you feel a bunch of different ways.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also, you know, prior the the family insert there, like I almost wondered if there was some type of portal there.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, because it just seemed like there was clearly different into these hanging out in the house.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think, because that's, that was kind of where my brain was going.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to ask the history of the home.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, that's the first question you ask when you have weird encounters like that.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But then when he came out and said there were rumors that a man had murdered his family there, that kind of makes sense, that trauma seems to kind of lock energy in.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: two places like that where where the bad should happen.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So kind of that kind of lines up.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does it's a weird.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird series of events.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said it even makes it weirder like you and you pointed it out how.
• 32:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: the when the kind of more bad person comes into the home, it ramps up the rage side of the equation and makes it worse and I don't, and I don't in my findings, because I do have whether I want to admit it or not, I do have strange things that happen around my home.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I'm
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: forever sold and I get your experience in this is different than mine.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that every shadow person is negative.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I am not sold on either actually because that's the prominent thing I see in my house and it's that specific
• 33:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: entity, whatever you want to call it, be it residual, be it whatever has never felt malevolent to me.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It almost just feels like a coexistence.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: To see the other corner of my eye, it's never done anything to warrant any kind of alarm.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's never like popped out at me.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's always just the same, same shit, different day, you know?
• 33:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is an ironic story to have on the show right now because, you know, we really haven't talked about it on there, but I have been seeing stuff around my house, but the reason why I say all that is because I've actually been pondering a lot here lately.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: about something that was kind of said in the story here about how like even though these more negative people cousins were one of them was more negative moved into the house they made the the concert or the comment that the emotions the negative emotions in the house all we are
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: which makes you think of, you know, until you're brain kind of wants to go to like an oppression situation.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you usually hear oppression in a Lyme demon, but it's weird because I've actually been pondering a lot lately about oppression in myself.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because, and I'm sure everybody goes to these cycles and that's what makes it so hard to kind of lock down,
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a genius, but I'm smarter enough to realize things and sometimes I catch myself getting mad at literally the stupidest shit ever where I just like, it's not like an agitation.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a full blown inside of its chaos inside me.
• 35:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm holding it together.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really letting it snap out, but it's just pure fucking chaos inside where that little
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: has completely pissed me off, right?
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to go nuclear.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I also have a problem with, and I'm sure, I'm not the only one, but I have a problem with sometimes somehow.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Little?
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: liver of a negative thought won't bet itself into my brain, and then just runs like wildfire and I cannot control it.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that that little negative thought couldn't be any further from the truth.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Truth does not even relevant in that situation, but that one deliver of negativity gets in my head and it just blooms completely, oh dude, it just completely overpowers everything.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which brings me to the question of oppression, you know, do
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm, I don't know that I'm sold that that means that I'm forever oppressed.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I have a demonic entity latch to me and it's just constantly pumping me full bullshit.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there like periodic oppression or things try you?
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: They come in and they try to, they try to crack the shell.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because usually in those moments where I have that ever blooming negativity in my brain,
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: push it away and it takes a while to like get it away away, but I have to keep telling myself like, no, no, no, don't stop, stop, stop.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to quit doing this.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can't do this.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get that way, too, sometimes.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not aggressive, but I get in a headspace where the tiniest little thing will just just set me off and just ruin my whole day.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be something as easy as just driving to work and someone driving like an idiot.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Literally like 30 seconds out of my day is just ruin my whole day.
• 37:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just just crushed my demeanor, which it makes the way you describe it, it makes
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: If if these entities cause those little things to be planted in your head.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: or if they notice when they're planted in your head and they're the things that make them exponentially worse.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're, they're what?
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just carve that into your brain to where that's the only thing you're thinking about and then it just, like you said, blooms is the best word.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It just like the seed was planted and then something watered it and nurtured it into just being the only thing you could think about for the next week, you know?
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: What did it get so bad like in some cases where my brain will self-savetage and self-fabricate explanations to whatever has got me going.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm trying to think of an example.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about validation, like fake validation.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's like let's just say, you know, and this is all theoretical.
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not reality, so don't think there's a hidden message.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: But let's just say that
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: you said something about me that wasn't negative, but for some reason, my brain reanalyzes that conversation you had with somebody and then that sliver gets inserted like, oh, I didn't hear all that conversation.
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: What a Steve was actually alluding to that I'm a fucking lazy turd.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then my brain will start adding,
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, pieces to that puzzle to convince myself that that is what happened.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, and then at the end of it, when you finally break free from that prison, and you, you realize you're like, what the fuck, you know what?
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: What caused my brain to convince it's like, it's like a self-sabotized technique.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because essentially, if you bought into it, and I'm sure people do, I could completely obliterate our friendship over something that did not fucking happen.
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a self-confirmation bias, you know?
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you start hyper analyzing things and putting things that aren't even relevant into the explanation, like, well, what about this?
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this have, what about this?
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it just, I get it, it just spirals and spirals and spirals.
• 40:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I brought it up, because I got to the point where I was talking to my wife about, I'm like, sometimes I wonder.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes I wonder if I'm oppressed once in a while, you know, something, just ignite whatever is in my brain, just make it bloom,
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: and take over and just control every aspect of my brain because it will, it'll, if I'm not careful, it'll put me in a dark place where I don't, I'm not a communicative person anymore, I'm not happy, I want to be left alone, I want to isolate, which sounds very,
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: demonic and purposeful now that you kind of sit back and cycle and realize the environment there and you know and fine.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, I'm aware of myself enough to be like just kind of self-correct and get off that course.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a person, that's what's bad about me, is I'm not a person that can auto-correct instantaneously.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: It takes me a while to get back to like, to zero and you know what I'm saying, like I cannot go from like being depressed and angry to happy in three seconds, I cannot be done for me.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you essentially are just undoing all the shit that you just convinced yourself
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, which isn't easy.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a flip of a switch and like all that shit I just made up, you know.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's weird, man, because I don't understand, because genuinely, normally I'm a happy person.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know where you'll get these moments where that plague enters your brain and it is a fucking prison man.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: an absolute prison full of fucking torment.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the shitty part is, is you're doing it to yourself.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's hard to drag yourself out of there too.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because like realistically, if you were to analyze you and me,
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I have no desire to self-habitage.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that you and I deserve where we are and maybe more.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have no desire to sabotage my marriage or my children or my worker, this or that or that or this.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's almost like there are moments in life where they, and I know everybody has those dark thoughts once in a while, you know, of all of a sudden you're just driving down the road and then you have this flash of extreme violence or doing something absolutely heinous.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, what the of where the fuck did that come from?
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: there's almost always some sort of confirmation that a lot of whatever these entities are due either feed off of or manipulate our emotions, which lines are directly up with them being able to do that, you know?
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now I never really thought about it like that, but it almost is, like
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you were to sit down and be like, well, this is the, we'll call it the feeder hypothesis.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could definitely understand the angle that they would feed off our negativity by being able to manipulate raw motion.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: In your experience, mental stability, like that, I can see that being powerful, because I know how powerful it is in my head.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what makes us human is our emotions.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: If they can tap into that and manipulate that,
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That like you said, that's that's something that's something that's actually really scary, you know, because like I said, I didn't I know how bad it'll get in my head.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a fucking war zone in there.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll get to be the it'll be the darkest place ever imaginable and how people handle it on the outside will add to the fire, put it out.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because my wife is usually, I would always tell her, I'm like, you're the one that can draw me like drag me back.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be that for me, because we've talked about it.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's it's come up in our relationship where we've talked about my.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I can imprisonment in my mind and I've told her, I'm like, you like you and it's not fair to like put on you, but I'm asking you because she'll she knows when my brain's doing it.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: She can just I don't know.
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's some type of aura that gets pumped off of me where she can read it and I'm like when you do, I'm not going to admit it, I never do because I don't want you to have it take care of me, but I'm like, I'm asking you now when I have a clear mind drag me out of that place.
• 45:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Don't let me consume myself because I will.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will absolutely consume myself.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a happy wait for her.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's not fair, but kind of is what it is.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you got to have a live line, man.
• 45:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You really do, because I, like I said, that, you know, and we've talked about it before, you know, loosely here and there on the show, but, you know, so if anybody else out there believe me, there's motherfuckers in the trenches with you, because our brains, our brains do it too, whether it's a pression or just our own,
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Failure, so to speak, our own, you know, broken mechanism inside our brains.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not alone.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our brains is probably the hardest part of the thing, hardest place to drag yourself out of.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to get in your own head.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it's supposed to be someplace that's familiar, someplace you're safe, you get in there and you start manifesting thoughts that just feed into that fire.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And before you know it's it's beyond your control.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, doctors getting that right because I'm sure their doctors out there they'll be like, well, Collins, you're fucking bipolar, you're schizophrenic, you're this or that, whatever mental, you know, whatever they want to diagnose us with.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in my head, it's like, well, how do you know that's, that's what's actually going on?
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do we know it's not oppression?
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do we know we're not being influenced daily?
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, there's there's things beyond the veil, which is a shit thought that there's things on the other side of the veil that every day are testing your armor for fucking little chinks in it.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just trying to weasel it's way in like fucking parasites.
• 47:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you, you see it, especially looking to phenomena and into.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: things of that nature, these negative entities prosper when their hosts are at their worst.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they get in there.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're already, look, look, all of the, all of the hauntings are all the
• 48:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: They almost almost all start at a point where the victim, so to speak, is at a terrible spot in their life.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it may start out.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It may start out.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, low key regular haunting stuff, but watch how fast they spiral just.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like as their life stuff stacks up, so does this sort of this paranormal, emotional parasite that that has a hold on them.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which also makes you, if you know, let's say, let's say that's your hype off.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: that also makes you wonder when does the infection so to speak actually take place then?
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because who's to say, you know, you're right now we're registering it as when Kyle's at an all-time low, that's when this negative entity latches in.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do we not, how do we know that the entity isn't already there?
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the entity isn't what got us to that low in the first place and that low is like your immune system now is weak enough for it to actually dive in.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need that to take control.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't I don't know parasites the best word I can use for it.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, because it, it's just waiting to latch.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just, they just wait to latch in unless they're already there.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, can, can, can, could they be dormant?
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Could they have happened at a different low point in your life?
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That you pulled yourself out of and they've just been sitting in there.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just waiting like, come on.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's some bad shit right around the corner.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: All you got to do is let it get in your head and then I'm in your head.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it makes you wonder, you know, if that's the case, is there a gang to it so to speak?
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there the opposite?
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there the immune booster, the parasite riddance?
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel, is there something out there that kind of bubbles up your good emotions and keeps y'all in that high for a little while and keeps you spinning?
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I almost feel like there has to be.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way I feel.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like everything is in and in y'ang.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't, I don't like I'll ever believe that it's just all negative or all good.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I know I get a lot of flack about being the all all things are bad kind of guy.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that there has to be there has to be good out way to balance out the negative.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like that's that's been a trope for as long as human consciousness has been a trope.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you have an angel on this shoulder, you're going to have a devil on this shoulder in the other way around.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there has to be good there.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we just hear a lot about
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: the negative because it makes for better stories.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: There are, I mean, there are stories that that have positive encounters, you know, but they're, they're not as much as the negative when it comes because I don't think we, I don't think we ponder the positive more as much as the negative.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, because like when you're on a really direct, when you're good, like you're just you're just sailing, but you're just like life is good, man, life is good, you know, and you're not like you're brain isn't Processing like we do when we're when we're in that shit state because we're in that shit state.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like we we want to figure out a corrective method To get us a fuck away from the shit state and not have it happen again.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because yeah, you don't have to hear people don't dwell on the good because it's good.
• 52:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, things are going to 100% I'm not going to try to find out a reason for it.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to roll with it because yeah, things are great.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the same analogy as we've talked about with people like making deals with the
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: until they go sideways, which yet it's funny they bring up the faith because I've I've noticed I have a lot more forks now.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's weird a lot of forks.
• 52:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we here did this weekend.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Weird, bro.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was doing the dishes that I was looking for to come back thinking about the dishwasher.
• 52:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm putting them in my drawer.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, I am one person that lives in this house.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got 28 forks for.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I had three.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: How long am I going to get 28 forks?
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even buy silverware.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most people buy one set and they have forever.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking awesome.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe the homies, the nomies, and then they're coming around, they're like, you know what?
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We fuck with these guys.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I heard him running on the roof the other day, so.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we fuck with these guys.
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're knocking on my, they're knocking on my patio door.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: There they're there they're there.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to get Steve as forks back.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll probably talk about it on the night shift.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, anyway, Holocaust.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That took a tangent there at the end.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we got a little philosophical.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got there though.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mental health is philosophical, um, how local, remember, you know who you are.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You are in the discord that put this, uh, put this,
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: experience out there.
• 53:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate you for taking the time to write this down.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Very interesting, very interesting case.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it got our brains, got our brains working on how the negative effects us and how some of these entities it affects them essentially for lack of a better term, you know.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely a good conversation starter.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we appreciate you.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Other members of the Holocaust listeners, if you have a paranormal experience, voice note that shit to us, because we got it, we got a thing we're putting together.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And voice notes, as you heard me stumble through reading this, feel like it's a lot more meaningful for the community to hear it in your own words.
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just talking to your phone, like you're talking on your phone, voice note it.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Email it over by the being by the boom.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Easy that, your famous.
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, to the Holocaust member that submitted this, thank you.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: To the rest of the Holocaust, we appreciate you for hanging out with us this Monday.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hope you have a wonderful and safe week.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Till we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you got ghost in your house, just try to bring some positivity energy in there.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Positiveity, maybe they'll put it back toward you.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you'll get your forks back, I don't know.