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Honor Student, 13, Stabs Mom DEAD IN NECK, Next to Infant Daughter: CONFESSES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: Straight A's honor student played sports everything loving son big brother.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, we learn thirteen year old Derrick
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Speaker 2: Rosa has confessed to murdering his mother as she's lying
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Speaker 2: by a sleep right beside her her new infant baby girl.
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Speaker 2: Not only do we learn about a confession, we have
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Speaker 2: obtained that confession to play for you, and at the
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Speaker 2: same time time we learn that just emerging is nanny
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Speaker 2: cam video of the room where the mom is murdered
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Speaker 2: and him hovering over his sleeping mother. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen and come through
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Speaker 2: this statement by the honor student son, Derek Rosa. Let's
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Speaker 2: hear it.
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Speaker 3: From yours.
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Speaker 4: He's a friend. Okay three years.
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Speaker 2: Did you hear that? He couldn't bring himself to say
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Speaker 2: I killed her until the detective said it's okay, you
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Speaker 2: can say it, and he said I killed her. I
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Speaker 2: killed her. Wow. Alexis Tereschuk joining me Crime Online dot
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Speaker 2: Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrestchuk. It's really hard to take
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Speaker 2: in what we're hearing you have a son like I do.
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Speaker 2: I have a son and daughter and they're honor students,
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Speaker 2: and they really were some wood for me to not
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Speaker 2: con so far have not given me a minute of
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Speaker 2: trouble like your sweet boy, and then out of the
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Speaker 2: blue this aban behavior. But what can you tell me
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Speaker 2: about this confession? And it is a confession.
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Speaker 5: So Derek Grossa actually called nine to one one himself
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Speaker 5: the night of October twelfth, about eleven thirty at night,
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Speaker 5: called the police himself. He said, come, I have killed
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Speaker 5: my mom. The police take him to the police station.
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Speaker 5: They talk with him. They say what happened, and his
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Speaker 5: explanation is, I woke up, I grabbed one of the
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Speaker 5: kitchen knives and I went to her room and then
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Speaker 5: he stops, but he doesn't stop forever. The police officer says,
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Speaker 5: it's okay, you can talk to me, and he says,
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Speaker 5: I killed her. He fully confessed to killing his mom.
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Speaker 5: He didn't say why, but he is he in fact
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Speaker 5: pictures of himself immediately after he killed her.
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Speaker 2: I want to follow up on something Alexis Tereshchuk has
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Speaker 2: just told us joining me an All Star panel. But
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Speaker 2: in addition to Alexis Terestschuk. Pat Diaz is with us
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Speaker 2: out of the Florida jurisdiction as well. Former Miami Day
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Speaker 2: Police homicide detective now private investigator, and you can find
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Speaker 2: him at South FLPI, South Florida PI dot com, South
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Speaker 2: FLPI dot com. Pat, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You have to take special precautions when you are interviewing
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Speaker 2: as a cop a juvenile, explain.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely in these types of cases, and that many investigators
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Speaker 6: get that opportunity. When you have a juvenile to interview,
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Speaker 6: you got to make sure that he's able of sound mind,
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Speaker 6: which means he's understanding how to read, how to write,
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Speaker 6: which processes and in order to move on. Otherwise, if
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Speaker 6: he's in the daze, then you have nothing. And in
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Speaker 6: this case that the homicide detectives did a great job
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Speaker 6: talking to him and actually getting him to talk, So
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Speaker 6: kudos to them, because in court, the confession is going
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Speaker 6: to be a major issue that the defense will try
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Speaker 6: to try to get rid of.
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Speaker 2: You're right, Pat Diz, is there a number one goal
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Speaker 2: at trial they're going to try to have this confession
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Speaker 2: thrown out. And when it comes to minors making a confession,
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Speaker 2: it also came to the forefront in the Teresa Hallback murder.
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Speaker 2: Who is that? That is the young photographer that was
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Speaker 2: murdered by the star of making a murderer, remember that
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Speaker 2: Stephen Avery, and it was portrayed that he was innocent,
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Speaker 2: that Avery had been framed. Also along for the ride
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Speaker 2: was his young relative, Brendan Dacy. In Dacy's case, there
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Speaker 2: was permission to interview Dasy, a then teen, and as
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Speaker 2: much as everyone argued, well, Dassy didn't have the wherewithal
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Speaker 2: to make this statement, that's a double edged sword because
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Speaker 2: what it also means is he didn't have the wherewithal
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Speaker 2: to create a fabricated statement with this much detail in
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Speaker 2: which he admitted to raping Teresa Hallback and that his
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Speaker 2: uncle murdered her, Stephen Avery. That was an example of
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Speaker 2: a teen statement coming to the forefront of the news.
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Speaker 7: Listen as the you know, the thing is, you know,
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Speaker 7: the court is going to have to scrutinize whether or
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Speaker 7: not Derek Rosa voluntarily spoke to the police and whether
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Speaker 7: he was properly mirandized. Because a juvenile there's heightened responsibilities
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Speaker 7: with regard to law enforcement in terms of mirandizing making
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Speaker 7: sure they understand contacting parents, and this is a thirteen
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Speaker 7: year old boy, and of course he's accused of killing
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Speaker 7: his mother, So that's going to make it even a
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Speaker 7: little more convoluted in terms of was anybody contacted on
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Speaker 7: his behalf before they spoke with him, and did he
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Speaker 7: waive his Miranda rights? And did he understand and completely
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Speaker 7: voluntarily make the statement? So those are all issues that
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Speaker 7: the court is going to have to scrutinize with regard
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Speaker 7: to his statement.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing high profile lawyer Matthew Mangino joining us
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Speaker 2: out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction. He has prosecuted juveniles and
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Speaker 2: defended juveniles, his former district attorney and author of the
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Speaker 2: Executioner's Toll. Listen to this the crimes, arrest, trials, appeals
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Speaker 2: and last meals, final words and executions people in the US.
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Speaker 2: Let's listen to more why this statement is so important
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Speaker 2: to the prosecution. Take a listen. Now, this is important
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Speaker 2: what you just heard because here the honor student, thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old Derrick Rosa, is explaining about the knife. He says,
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Speaker 2: it's a big seven inch knife with a purple handle.
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Speaker 2: My mom was sleeping. He's fully cognizant of all the
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Speaker 2: facts surrounding the murder of his own mother. His mom
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Speaker 2: had just given birth to the baby's sister, and in
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Speaker 2: the nanacam video you see him hovering around the mom
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Speaker 2: and around the baby sister, who's sleeping in the same
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Speaker 2: room with the mom, listened to more.
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Speaker 4: He's a friend.
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Speaker 8: Okay, hold.
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Speaker 4: Three years your job.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what I'm just hearing. Un Like,
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Speaker 2: says Terrestri joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 2: He called his friends explain and and I'm hearing where
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Speaker 2: are the friends? And they are in Sweden.
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Speaker 5: These are friends that he's met online. So these are
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Speaker 5: not schoolmates, These are not kids that he hangs out
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Speaker 5: with after school. These are kids that he's met online
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Speaker 5: and are friends that he's met online. So he he
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Speaker 5: messages them afterwards, he sends three pictures. He shows them.
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Speaker 5: In fact, there his hands held up and there's blood
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Speaker 5: dropping on his hands. So he is bragging about this
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Speaker 5: crime immediately after committing it. I killed my mom. Look
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Speaker 5: here's the bloody proof of it.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Let me go to Karen Start, joining us renounced psychologist
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Speaker 2: TV radio trumpa expert at karenstart dot com Karen with
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Speaker 2: a C. Karen. It's one thing if he's calling the
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Speaker 2: friend or texting the friend and saying, oh my stars,
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Speaker 2: I've done this horrible thing. What am I going to do?
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Speaker 2: Or I can't believe I did this? But according to
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Speaker 2: Alexis Terreschuk, he's kind of bragging.
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Speaker 9: He's not just bragging, Nancy. He sticks out his tongue,
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Speaker 9: he's smiling. He was actually excited about what he did.
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Speaker 9: So this this boy is a very very confused adolescent.
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Speaker 9: He absolutely doesn't understand how awful his crime is, as
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Speaker 9: far as I could tell, because he's laughing and excited
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Speaker 9: and showing the blood.
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Speaker 2: Laughing and excited and showing the blood, Alexis Eschak, Is
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Speaker 2: that true?
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's absolutely true. He's showing off the blood on
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Speaker 5: his hands. Because he stabbed his mom. He was very
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Speaker 5: close to her. He didn't shoot her, he was right
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Speaker 5: next to her. And in fact, he had been searching
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Speaker 5: online for the places and the best places to stop
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Speaker 5: where we cause the most harm. So this is something
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Speaker 5: that he had been looking up prior to killing his mom.
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Speaker 2: Alexis to Reesschach, you're just a fountain of information, aren't you?
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Speaker 2: And none of it good? Well, I guess it's good
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Speaker 2: if you're looking at at the probative mat the probative
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Speaker 2: nature of it, like what does it prove? But it's
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Speaker 2: very disheartening. Alexis Teresha as a mom of a young
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Speaker 2: teen very similar to Derrick rosa honor student, sweet natured, mild, timid,
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Speaker 2: seemingly but suddenly out of the blue. I don't know
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Speaker 2: what to make of that.
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Speaker 5: And he went to a good school, there was there
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Speaker 5: were never any complaints. He seemed very excited. His mom
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Speaker 5: was having a baby. The baby was only two weeks old,
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Speaker 5: a little sister. He had posed for pictures with his
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Speaker 5: stepdad and with his mom when she was pregnant, really
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Speaker 5: all in pink polo shirts showing off outside of they
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Speaker 5: were about the baby. There were no signs they had
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Speaker 5: if I'm nothing at school, nobody had ever said that
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Speaker 5: he was in trouble, No fights with friends, no fights
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Speaker 5: with the parents' cps, hadn't been called to the home.
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Speaker 5: Completely to everybody outside of it, out of.
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Speaker 2: The blue, Karen, you were jumping in, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I wanted to add, and we've heard this kind
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Speaker 9: of steps before, but not from a young adolescent. That
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Speaker 9: he said that he wanted to shoot himself afterwards, that
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Speaker 9: he wanted to kill himself.
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Speaker 2: But he didn't. And speaking of those Google searches, take
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Speaker 2: a listen to this.
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Speaker 10: The night Derek Rosa allegedly stabs his mother to death,
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Speaker 10: he makes six Google searches that include, what is the
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Speaker 10: best place to stab someone? Is a small knife good
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Speaker 10: for killing? Is it easier to kill someone with a
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Speaker 10: small knife? Can a knife cut through bone? And a
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Speaker 10: request for a diagram of the cardioid artery. The Daily
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Speaker 10: Mail reports the last search made that night was to
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Speaker 10: inquire about a machine gun.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's looking up the carotid artery. Doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crown's joining US Chief Medical Examiner, joining US out of
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Speaker 2: Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer University, Texas Austin and
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Speaker 2: TCU Texas Christian University Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crown. I
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Speaker 2: don't know how you do it all. How many autopsies
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Speaker 2: do you think you have performed in life?
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Speaker 11: Probably close to around ten thousand.
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Speaker 2: You know, when people ask me how many cases I've handled,
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Speaker 2: and I say around ten thousand, It doesn't seem real,
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Speaker 2: but when you look back, it Israel because I would
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Speaker 2: get one hundred new cases a week from the grand
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Speaker 2: jury at least, or even if you wanted to go
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Speaker 2: by a month, and you do that every month for
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Speaker 2: ten years, yes, that's a lot. Same with you. You
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Speaker 2: don't count them as they're happening, but you look back
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Speaker 2: and realize, wow, that's a lot of autopsies. And in
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Speaker 2: your experience, could you explain is there any way to
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Speaker 2: recover when someone has their carotid artery severed? To start?
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Speaker 2: What is the kartid artery?
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Speaker 11: So the karated artery is a vessel in your neck
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Speaker 11: that is taking blood from your heart to your brain basically,
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Speaker 11: and you have two of them, one on either side
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Speaker 11: of your neck, and they're they're pretty good size. They're
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Speaker 11: about the bigger round as a as a ballpoint pen diameter, so,
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Speaker 11: and they sit right underneath the muscles on either side
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Speaker 11: of your neck, so they're really close to the surface.
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Speaker 11: So when you get your crotid artery cut, you usually
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Speaker 11: can bleed out in a matter of minutes.
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Speaker 2: How many minutes, I'd say, wonder for and question. We've
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Speaker 2: all seen movies. I've actually seen a victim whose crotit
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Speaker 2: artery had been sliced, but it was postmarm after death.
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Speaker 2: Is this the kind of wound Basically there's no coming
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Speaker 2: back from that. But as it does, is the wound
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Speaker 2: pulse with the beating of the heart.
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Speaker 11: Yes, so it's an argy, so it's had the pressurized
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Speaker 11: blood is still there, so it will spurt and shoot
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Speaker 11: blood out of it. You can try and close it
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Speaker 11: off because you have a second one. It'll still get
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Speaker 11: blood to the brain, so you can pinch it off
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Speaker 11: and you can still be saved, but you have to
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Speaker 11: get immediate Michael treatment. A good example is there was
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Speaker 11: a hockey player recently got his next plice by a
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Speaker 11: skate and he died even though he had help right away.
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Speaker 11: So it's a significant vessel to get cut and you
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Speaker 11: need help immediately. And even if you get help immediately,
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Speaker 11: they can't only save you.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I'm asking about the pulsing nature of
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Speaker 2: the bleeding is because the boy in this case, thirteen
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Speaker 2: year old honor suit A derreck Rosa, was literally covered
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Speaker 2: in blood. It was an extremely bloody crime scene. Is
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Speaker 2: that why doctor cram It's part of it.
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Speaker 11: I mean, she would be the blood would be spurting out.
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Speaker 11: It would be getting all over her, all over the plate,
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Speaker 11: even on him, and if he continues to stabber, it
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Speaker 11: would be getting on him as he continued to stab her,
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Speaker 11: and then whatever else he's stabbing would also bleed on
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Speaker 11: him as well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear more of what we've recently obtained, the
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Speaker 2: actual confession given by this teen honor student.
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Speaker 3: Listen, did you the home?
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Speaker 2: And Okay, I want to talk about his demeanor as
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Speaker 2: he's relaying killing his mom. I mean, Karen Stark, I
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Speaker 2: think I need a trauma expert right now, because when
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Speaker 2: I think back about when my dad passed away, or
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Speaker 2: when my fiance Keith was murdered, even now, I typically
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Speaker 2: don't like talking about it. I don't like when people
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Speaker 2: bring it up, especially unexpectedly, But if I allow myself
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Speaker 2: to think about it, it's still very, very upsetting. And
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Speaker 2: this honor student is talking very methodically and stoically. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem upset at all.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, Well, you had just gribing what you feel or
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Speaker 9: I feel having lost the dad. We're having feelings, right, emotions,
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Speaker 9: but now we're talking about someone who's disassociated, which means
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Speaker 9: that he's separated from his feelings. He's he's not in
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Speaker 9: touch with any emotional response, and it's really hard to
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Speaker 9: understand what's going on with this boyd because of that.
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Speaker 9: It's confusing because he doesn't seem to he's laughing afterwards,
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Speaker 9: he doesn't seem to be having any kind of an
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Speaker 9: emotional response, like he's cut off. And usually that happens
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Speaker 9: with somebody who has a criminal mentality, who has no feelings,
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Speaker 9: no conscience, and doesn't understand what they did.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, well, well, whoa, whoa, whoa? Wait a minute,
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Speaker 2: right there, when you say the words doesn't understand what
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Speaker 2: they did, you're triggering all sorts of legal alarm bells
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Speaker 2: in my mind because I know someone doesn't understand what
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Speaker 2: they did, translation doesn't understand right from wrong. That is
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Speaker 2: a legal definition of insanity. This kid is not insane.
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Speaker 2: He's not insane.
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Speaker 9: He's not insane, but he's cut off from I don't
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Speaker 9: believe that he gets he grasped the full extent of
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Speaker 9: what happened, until it seems like now he doesn't want
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Speaker 9: to ye, well, you know.
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Speaker 2: Either, that's you putting your layer of interpretation on him.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't understand he took the pictures covered in blood
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Speaker 2: and sent them to two of his friends online. He
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Speaker 2: understands he killed his mom. She's dead, she's not coming back.
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Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, I want to hear
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Speaker 2: a little bit more of what he said. Listen, our
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Speaker 2: cut twenty one. We're still hearing the recently obtained confession
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Speaker 2: by the thirteen year old honor student who stabs his
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Speaker 2: mom dead. She's lying next to her infant baby girl. Listen,
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Speaker 2: I'll let's get back to your mom.
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Speaker 6: Okay.
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Speaker 12: He said she was sleeving.
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Speaker 4: Okay, where exactly did.
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Speaker 13: You cover her?
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Speaker 5: At the first side?
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Speaker 2: Coming best shot undernet?
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Speaker 14: This is the name La was hearing every year. Noble says,
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Speaker 14: O your step here, tell you know.
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Speaker 15: That that's called the pareor something in her?
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Speaker 9: Yeah?
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Speaker 15: Okay, And and you heard Sally went with her when
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Speaker 15: you after sign then like okay, was there a lot
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Speaker 15: of blood after her?
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Speaker 2: Was there? He thought of blood affordance?
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Speaker 9: Okay?
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Speaker 2: Did you tell her anything before you sat?
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Speaker 10: Did you say anything?
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Speaker 9: Answer?
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Speaker 14: Dress or the Sanish curs bass. But she didn't wink
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Speaker 14: up when you She was asleeping. She was asleep when
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Speaker 14: you saw Yes, and then she will go after seven.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace, and.
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Speaker 2: She did.
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Speaker 16: She was.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand what I'm hearing. Alexis Tereschak joining
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Speaker 2: us from crime online dot Com. He's saying that he
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Speaker 2: said a curse word to his mom in Spanish. It
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Speaker 2: was merrikan, which is a homosexual slur. To my understanding,
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Speaker 2: that's what he said. Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yes, It's just it's mind modeling that this child says
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Speaker 5: that he said this bad thing to her and then
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Speaker 5: he stabs her forty eight times while she's sleeping, and
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Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's I'm an important point out
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Speaker 5: that she was fully asleep in her bed and really
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Speaker 5: didn't even fight back, because this was so quick and
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Speaker 5: so violent. Because within he was right at eleven as
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Speaker 5: the nanny hammer or the baby monitor cam shows that
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Speaker 5: it was set up to look in the crib, which
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Speaker 5: was right next to the bed, and he is shown
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Speaker 5: there at eleven o'clock, and then thirty minutes later, he's
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Speaker 5: already sent messages to his friends and he's already called
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Speaker 5: the police. This was super fast.
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Speaker 6: She was not awake.
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Speaker 5: She really didn't even fight back against this because he
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Speaker 5: was so strong and he's not a big kid. He's
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Speaker 5: still like a young queen. He's so young and not
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Speaker 5: a big, hulking child or anything like Baddy skinny give
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Speaker 5: me arms, and yet managed to do all of this.
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Speaker 5: But yes, he says that he said something, he called
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Speaker 5: her a bad word in Spanish.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even understand the contexts? Is that, Matthew
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Speaker 2: Manena jump in.
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Speaker 7: Yes, so it's Nancy. I mean, obviously you know this
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Speaker 7: is a crime of rage, know how this slur works
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Speaker 7: into this the overall intent here. But you know, to
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Speaker 7: stab somebody, your mother forty eight times, you're really, you know, enraged,
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Speaker 7: I mean you're wanting to.
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Speaker 2: Do Man, what is that supposed to mean to me?
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Speaker 2: That he's enraged? That's not a defense. So I don't care.
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Speaker 2: You can't say, oh, I did it but I was
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Speaker 2: angry angry, It's not a defense.
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Speaker 17: Matthew Mangino, Well, I'd like to know why a thirteen
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Speaker 17: year old boy would would make a homosexual slur toward
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Speaker 17: his mother in staber forty eight times.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to know too, But unless it rises
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Speaker 2: to insanity, it doesn't change the outcome of these facts.
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Speaker 2: If he's legally insane, then he should not go to jail.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. If he's not, then he should.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's thirteen years old, and Nancy, and in Florida,
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Speaker 7: you know, unless the grand jury indicate you would happen here,
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Speaker 7: you can't even charge a a fourteen year old, you know,
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Speaker 7: with with murder. I mean you know, I mean a
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Speaker 7: thirteen year old, you know, under the age of fourteen.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to have to be a grand jury indictment.
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Speaker 6: And it was so, And Nancy, can I heard one
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Speaker 6: thing else about this? Yes? Is Paty is. And one
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Speaker 6: of the things that we have to remind ourselves is
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Speaker 6: in South Florida, law enforcement puts that video on the
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Speaker 6: minute they walked into the room and it doesn't turn
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Speaker 6: off until the end, so you're capturing everything he says
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Speaker 6: from the minute he's the detectives talk to him. So
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Speaker 6: that makes that confession very important. Now, haven't had cases
25:40
Speaker 6: of an individual this young who committed a murder many
25:44
Speaker 6: years ago. We know it's going to go to grandeur,
25:46
Speaker 6: we know there's going to be doctors involved, but when
25:48
Speaker 6: it comes to his statement, it's going to be clearly
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Speaker 6: seen in this clear new scene. That's why they released
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Speaker 6: all this video showing that he did understand, he was
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Speaker 6: saying what happened. He wasn't confused, he wasn't him showing
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Speaker 6: any emotion. And important thing is to know that the
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Speaker 6: video doesn't turn off and on. It stays on the
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Speaker 6: entire time. So I think that's an important aspect of
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Speaker 6: this case that in South Florida, the police we videotaped
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Speaker 6: from the minute they come in to the end. There's
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Speaker 6: no break in the video. There's no so there's no
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Speaker 6: pre you know, questioning like they used to do in
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Speaker 6: the old day's note. From the minute he comes in
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Speaker 6: and sitsts down, that video turns on.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that.
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Speaker 2: And guys, speaking of that video we've just obtained, take
26:33
Speaker 2: a listen to more.
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Speaker 9: And you.
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Speaker 2: Why you man saved by the bill? A million dollar question?
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Speaker 2: Why did you stab your mom? Can I go to
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Speaker 2: the bathroom? That's what happened, and this is what happens
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Speaker 2: when it comes back from the bathroom. Listen.
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Speaker 14: So if you're about the times, and.
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Speaker 2: That's why did you love your mother?
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Speaker 3: Now get your chest?
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Speaker 18: Okay, it's fun.
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Speaker 2: We can.
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Speaker 8: Just want to say okay you and have connections or
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Speaker 8: us should you forward.
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Speaker 2: We're not here to advise you on whether to talk or.
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Speaker 15: Sorry, But if you are seeing a lawyer, we can't
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Speaker 15: hear you for set you have communion you.
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Speaker 2: Wants yes, so we never get the answer why did
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Speaker 2: you stab your mom? Of course, the lawyers are doing
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Speaker 2: backflips to get this confession thrown out of evidence, and
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Speaker 2: they want it sealed so no one can ever see it.
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Speaker 2: Listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
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Speaker 13: Attorneys failed at keeping the police interview sealed, and in
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Speaker 13: the interview Rosa Tael's officers, he had fallen asleep. When
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Speaker 13: he woke up, he goes to the kitchen, grabs a
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Speaker 13: knife and begins stabbing his mother while she sleeps. His
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Speaker 13: mother wakes up and screams, but his little sister did
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Speaker 13: not wake up during the attack.
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Speaker 2: So the defense lawyers wanted it sealed so we can
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Speaker 2: never see it, but they failed. Why is that, Matthew Mangino,
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Speaker 2: is it the for your freedom of him? For act?
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Speaker 2: Is that that Florida has the Sunshine Law. Everything's out
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Speaker 2: in the open. Why was this released?
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean there has to be, you know, a reason,
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Speaker 7: a sufficient reason for the court to steal a record
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Speaker 7: obviously if if there is a statement that made it's relevant.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the courts always want to be open as
29:24
Speaker 7: much as possible. They want the opportunity for the public
29:28
Speaker 7: to be able to scrutinize what goes on in a
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Speaker 7: court room and what's part of the record. So there
29:35
Speaker 7: really has to be some compelling reason to steal a record,
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Speaker 7: maybe because it would you know, embarrassed people who aren't
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Speaker 7: directly related to the case and things like that.
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Speaker 2: Well, another thing is if this does go to trial,
29:51
Speaker 2: this will be introduced, I believe. So therefore it's not
29:56
Speaker 2: something that may never come to the jury's review. This
30:01
Speaker 2: will come before a jury. It's not like the judges
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Speaker 2: unsealing something that a jury should not or would not
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Speaker 2: know about. They're going to see this and they're going
30:09
Speaker 2: to hear this, but it's not necessarily just this that
30:14
Speaker 2: I believe makes me believe Derek Rosa will be convicted
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Speaker 2: for murdering his mother, stabbing her forty eight times. It's
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Speaker 2: not just what he did at the time of the stabbing,
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Speaker 2: it's what he did after. Take a listen to Rachel
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Speaker 2: Benia Crime on line cut thirty three.
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Speaker 19: When officers arrive in the scene of the attack, they
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Speaker 19: find Garcia left split on the floor with dozens of
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Speaker 19: knife wounds, including a slashed artery in her neck. Laying
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Speaker 19: near her to see smother is her two week old baby,
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Speaker 19: still laying in her crib. As part of the grizzly display,
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Speaker 19: The Daily Mail reports, thirteen year old Derek Rosa takes
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Speaker 19: a smiling selfie sticking his tongue out with what appears
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Speaker 19: to be blood smeared on his hands. Rosa sends the
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Speaker 19: photo to a friend right after the killing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that visual thing I'm not going to get out
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Speaker 2: of my mind anytime, saying Karen Stark.
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I mean that makes perfect sense, because we're
31:06
Speaker 9: talking about a thirteen year old who singingly has no
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Speaker 9: conscience whatsoever. He's actually enjoying the fact that he just
31:16
Speaker 9: did that. And that's really hard for everybody to really comprehend.
31:23
Speaker 9: How can that be that this boy, who was an
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Speaker 9: honor student, had no history of any kind of violence,
31:31
Speaker 9: wakes up in the night and decides to kill his mother,
31:35
Speaker 9: and they find her on the fush. She even wakes up,
31:38
Speaker 9: and she screams, and he doesn't pay attention. He could
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Speaker 9: care less and then he's rejoicing.
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Speaker 2: You have been hearing a recently obtained confession by the
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Speaker 2: honor student accused of stabbing his mother forty eight times
31:54
Speaker 2: now interesting he left the baby's sister. There's been a
31:57
Speaker 2: lot of speculation that he was angry that his mom
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Speaker 2: had had a baby, that he was now having to
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Speaker 2: split her affections with the baby, and he actually addresses
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Speaker 2: the baby in the original nine to one one call,
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Speaker 2: Take a listening. If her Derrek Rose is speaking to investigators,
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Speaker 2: listen to him on his original nine to one one call.
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Speaker 2: After he stabs his mother and sends bloody selfies to
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Speaker 2: his friends, he calls nine one one, Take a listener,
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Speaker 2: Cut one.
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Speaker 5: Okay, where else did you stop there all the night
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Speaker 5: catting her neck?
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Speaker 9: Why is your sister?
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Speaker 16: She's your grip sleeping?
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Speaker 5: How old is your sister?
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Speaker 7: She's only a week old?
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Speaker 9: Okay?
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Speaker 6: And you did not touch her? Correct?
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Speaker 18: No, I did not touch you.
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Speaker 16: I don't want to touch my sister.
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Speaker 5: I need to know if your mom is is breathing.
32:58
Speaker 16: She said, miss I have the gun with me.
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Speaker 18: I was gonna shoot myself, but I didn't want to.
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to.
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Speaker 2: I pulled back to side, but I did not see Okay,
33:08
Speaker 2: let me understand something. Pat Dias as almost as if
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Speaker 2: he wants an a plus for not murdering his sister,
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Speaker 2: his baby sister as well. So I'm trying to make
33:20
Speaker 2: sense of him almost bragging, No, I didn't want to
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Speaker 2: hurt my sister, but yet I stabbed my mom forty
33:27
Speaker 2: eight times exactly.
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Speaker 6: And this is without is a confessional, and the phone call,
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Speaker 6: when the jury would hear his phone call, is enough
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Speaker 6: to convict him. But just the fact that his mental
33:39
Speaker 6: state of mind, that he was able to articulate what
33:41
Speaker 6: he did, makes a huge difference when it goes in
33:44
Speaker 6: front of a grand jury or front of a jury period.
33:48
Speaker 6: And that's what everybody's going to see and hear, is
33:51
Speaker 6: how he articulates what happened and what he did do
33:54
Speaker 6: and what he didn't do. So he basically gave it
33:58
Speaker 6: a second confession independent of the police. So that's another
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Speaker 6: issue that the defense attorneys will have to deal with
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Speaker 6: in court.
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Speaker 2: You're right, Pat Diaz. The confession he gave to police,
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Speaker 2: which has all been recorded, which we've played for you now,
34:15
Speaker 2: is corroborating. As Pat Diaz has just pointed out, the
34:19
Speaker 2: nine to one one call. He describes not only stabbing
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Speaker 2: his mother, not touching his infant sister, but he goes
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Speaker 2: on to describe what he did after the murder. Take
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Speaker 2: a listen to our cut to the nine to one
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Speaker 2: one original call.
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Speaker 16: I need to know that you think we can help
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Speaker 16: your mom, she said, I have more family members. They
34:42
Speaker 16: can take care of my sister. I took pictures and
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Speaker 16: I told my friend about it.
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Speaker 9: Was that bad?
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Speaker 7: Do you talk old about it my friends?
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Speaker 20: Your friends, and you send pictures.
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Speaker 16: To your friends?
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Speaker 9: The what you do?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I didn't really need to pictures off my phone,
34:58
Speaker 18: but I sent him to him and I told also,
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Speaker 18: and then I'm okay, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's all about him. I mean, Matthew man Gino,
35:09
Speaker 2: the law is very clear, and I'm quoting directly the
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Speaker 2: black and white letter of the law. One may immediately
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Speaker 2: regret the deed, but that regret does not negate intent
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Speaker 2: at the time of the act.
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Speaker 17: Matthew Mangino, Well, yeah, I mean, the intent is what
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Speaker 17: you formed before you act.
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Speaker 7: You know, what you regret after you've acted does not
35:34
Speaker 7: negate the intent to kill. So certainly you know you
35:39
Speaker 7: may have regretted it but you formed this proper intent
35:43
Speaker 7: to carry it out, and you did carry it out.
35:45
Speaker 7: So that is in no way defense. Maybe it's mitigation
35:49
Speaker 7: in some.
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Speaker 6: Way, but it's not.
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Speaker 2: Also, he goes on in further detail to describe sending
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Speaker 2: the bloody selfies to friends. What do you think of
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Speaker 2: You're he's gonna make of this? Let's start cut twelve.
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Speaker 20: I need to know if your mom is breathing, keep
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Speaker 20: that right all over the floor.
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Speaker 2: Okay, why did you kill your mom?
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Speaker 6: I need to know.
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Speaker 2: Do you think we can help your mom?
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Speaker 16: Let that could bring.
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Speaker 18: Over here?
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Speaker 16: What I knew?
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Speaker 2: What did you add you?
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Speaker 18: Yes, I took pictures and I told my friends about
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Speaker 18: it with that bad you.
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Speaker 20: Talk old about it my friends, your friends, and you
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Speaker 20: send pictures to your friends and.
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Speaker 7: What you did?
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Speaker 20: Yeah, do not open until I tell you to open
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Speaker 20: the door, and to make sure that you have nothing
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Speaker 20: but yourself one.
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Speaker 2: In your hands. They're gonna kill me. No, they're not
36:45
Speaker 2: gonna kill you. We're here to help you.
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Speaker 20: Okay, We're gonna help your family.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
36:50
Speaker 2: In addition to these recordings, there is heart stopping baby
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Speaker 2: cam video showing this Florida Honors student, age thirteen, standing
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Speaker 2: over his mother's bed, just an instant before he stabbed
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Speaker 2: her dead as a kneeborn sister is sleeping nearby. Now again,
37:14
Speaker 2: the last time that Derek Rose appears in court, his
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Speaker 2: father is asking for leniency and mercy, just as he
37:23
Speaker 2: did before. Take a listen to Jose Rosaw in court.
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Speaker 11: It's hard for us to explain how this occurred.
37:34
Speaker 12: You know, it's it's difficult, but I guess what we're
37:36
Speaker 12: asking for is to another opportunity. It's second chance to
37:40
Speaker 12: help him grow and become a choice of grow mad,
37:43
Speaker 12: to to put this behind him and say.
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Speaker 8: We have your back, We're here to support you. It's
37:51
Speaker 8: very unfortunate that this tragedy occurred. But this child is
37:56
Speaker 8: very humble, very peaceful.
37:59
Speaker 2: That may all be true, but he is also a killer,
38:03
Speaker 2: which leaves prosecutors and judges in the horrible position of
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out what is the right thing to do?
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Speaker 2: And I have faced that on many, many occasions, what
38:14
Speaker 2: is the right thing to do? And Karen Stark, you
38:17
Speaker 2: and I very often disagreed, because when I'm overwhelmed trying
38:22
Speaker 2: to make a right decision, like in a plea negotiation
38:26
Speaker 2: or suggesting a sentence recommending a sentence at the end
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Speaker 2: of a trial. When I don't know what to do,
38:32
Speaker 2: I directly follow the black and white letter of the law.
38:39
Speaker 2: And under the law, if he is not insane, he
38:43
Speaker 2: must go to prison, of course, a juvenile facility until
38:48
Speaker 2: he's twenty one, and then he would finish out his
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Speaker 2: sentence in an adult facility after he is of age.
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, but the thing is, this is a thirteen
38:57
Speaker 9: year old. He's not an adult. This is where it
39:01
Speaker 9: becomes very difficult to decide what to do, because you
39:05
Speaker 9: can even give a diagnosis of psychopathy when you're talking
39:10
Speaker 9: about someone who's thirteen.
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Speaker 7: You can talk about.
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Speaker 9: Conduct disorder with callous and unemotional traits, which is where
39:19
Speaker 9: I would say this particular child said, you know.
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Speaker 2: What, Karen starts, You bring him home to your penthouse
39:27
Speaker 2: apartment in Manhattan and you let him stay there because
39:31
Speaker 2: everybody that says he needs lenient treatment. You take him home, okay,
39:35
Speaker 2: because there's no way in HGWL that I would have
39:38
Speaker 2: him around my children.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 2: Is that harsh?
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Speaker 9: Yes?
39:42
Speaker 2: Is it true? Yes? And very often the truth doesn't
39:46
Speaker 2: taste very good going down. But I mean, Alexis Tereshak,
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Speaker 2: you want to bring him home and let a baby
39:51
Speaker 2: sit for your baby.
39:52
Speaker 5: Oh hell no, he's actually being held in an adult
39:55
Speaker 5: jail right now, but.
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Speaker 2: He is segregated from the population the cause of the
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Speaker 2: charge that he has Alexis Tereschuk. What is next for
40:05
Speaker 2: this honor stuit killer.
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Speaker 5: Well, he's supposed to go to trial in March. This
40:10
Speaker 5: is supposed to start very quickly. His defense attorney just
40:14
Speaker 5: the other day requested to go back to the apartment
40:19
Speaker 5: by themselves and take videos and pictures for their side
40:23
Speaker 5: of the case. The judge really and the prosecutors really
40:25
Speaker 5: fought against this, but the judge allowed it. So the
40:28
Speaker 5: defense team went to the apartment. They were allowed to
40:31
Speaker 5: be in there for three hours, and the prosecutors were
40:34
Speaker 5: not allowed in there with them, And then that is
40:37
Speaker 5: all they can do there. Because the stepfather has given
40:40
Speaker 5: up the least for the apartment. He says he wants
40:42
Speaker 5: to move. He cannot be there anymore. It's way too
40:45
Speaker 5: painful for him. So he's moving on, and they are
40:48
Speaker 5: still his lawyers are still trying to work with the
40:54
Speaker 5: prosecutors because they do not want him tried as an adult.
40:57
Speaker 5: But as of right now, he's going to be tried
40:59
Speaker 5: as an adult.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a plea watch. We wait as just
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Speaker 2: as unfolds. Goodbye friend,