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Patriots Unfiltered 3/14: Breaking Down Free Agent Signings and What's Next for New England · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: All right, cold open today. Wow, I'm right into it.
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  Speaker 5: It is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium, and it's a
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  Speaker 5: full crew. It's Deuce, it's Alex, it's Evan, Paul, myself. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's Jules and Matt in the booth. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: talk about everything that's going on. Obviously, yesterday was the opening,
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  Speaker 5: the official opening of free agency, and uh, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to talk about the Calvin Ridley situation. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: I first, let's just get everybody up to speed, maybe
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  Speaker 5: Deuce or Evan with a list of so far the
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  Speaker 5: move MO so far.
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  Speaker 1: Oh God, you want all of them?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, No, I want all of them.
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  Speaker 6: I got a whole list I got.
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  Speaker 7: I'm gonna run right down on offense re signed Hunter, Henry, uh,
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  Speaker 7: Chuck Chucks got God.
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  Speaker 6: I don't got that one down. It's a kor of four.
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  Speaker 7: Kendrick Bourne, three year deal, Tonio Gibson three year deal,
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  Speaker 7: Michael and won You three year deal, Jacoby Brissett one
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  Speaker 7: year deal, Jalen Rager one year deal, Austin Hooper one
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  Speaker 7: year deal, and Nick Leverett.
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  Speaker 6: Is that Hewst? Is it?
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  Speaker 7: Clevert Leverver Lever Leverette an offensive lineman. We're not sure
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  Speaker 7: on the terms on those one yet. On the defensive
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  Speaker 7: side of the ball, Kyle Dugger was hit with the
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  Speaker 7: transition tag, Sioni Taki Taki with a two year deal,
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  Speaker 7: Josh Ucha a one year deal three million dollars, and
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  Speaker 7: Forty Jennings a three year deal worth twelve million dollars
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  Speaker 7: with a max of twenty four And finally, yesterday's defensive
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  Speaker 7: line signing Arman Watts a one year, three million dollar deal.
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  Speaker 1: I like the Watts.
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  Speaker 7: I like Watts too. I like Watson Jenning. Those are
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  Speaker 7: my two favorite moves.
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  Speaker 1: Watson Watson, talkie talkie. Don't don't sleep on them. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that they're Hall of Fame players, but I'm going to.
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  Speaker 6: Sleep on talking talking.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to sleep on them because I think he's
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  Speaker 7: like the fourth flynebacker and he's not gonna play over
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  Speaker 7: Penley or to buy and.
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  Speaker 6: That's possibly a little bit on him.
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  Speaker 1: But I like different staff. I like Watts, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that comparing him to Laurence Guy would be inaccurate.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're much different players. I think Watts is
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  Speaker 1: a much more disruptive pass rusher than Lawrence Guy was.
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  Speaker 1: If Watts was on the Patriots last year, the only
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  Speaker 1: guy with the higher pass rush win rate on the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots last year was Christian Barmore. So he can get
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  Speaker 1: after the quarterback a little bit. So I'm excited about it.
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  Speaker 5: So they've made a lot of moves, you know, whether
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  Speaker 5: it's bringing back their own people or building that middle class.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the if you want to call at the
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  Speaker 5: back end of the roster, that's fine, but you've got
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  Speaker 5: to do that.
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  Speaker 8: You know, why are you looking at that? Wasn't me
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  Speaker 8: that made that noise that I think at me?
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  Speaker 5: Those are things in addition to trying to get the
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  Speaker 5: splash free agents. You have to do those things.
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  Speaker 7: Too, sure, but let's just say it.
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  Speaker 6: It's disappointing.
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  Speaker 7: It's disappointing.
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  Speaker 6: You had a lot of money, so I wanted.
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  Speaker 5: To get that out first. You know what they've done
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  Speaker 5: so far, they still have a lot of money to spend,
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  Speaker 5: and I hope they spend. It very disappointing that they
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  Speaker 5: didn't get Calvin Ridley. And I could tell you that
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  Speaker 5: probably no one's more disappointed than the football staff. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to get him, and they swung and they missed,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so all these people, well, it's very clear
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  Speaker 5: that the Patriots are going to be you know, building
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  Speaker 5: through the draft.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: No, they tried to get Calvin Ridley, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: I assume that they're not done. They'll probably try to
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  Speaker 5: do something else now, whether it's a trade or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: But they tried to do something in free agency and
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  Speaker 5: they missed and they failed.
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  Speaker 7: I liked that they offered a competitive you know. I
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  Speaker 7: mean the reports are that they were in the ballpark,
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  Speaker 7: so it shows that they understood we need to get
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  Speaker 7: a guy. I'm not that disappointed about not getting it.
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  Speaker 7: Was Calvin Ridley a franchise altering receiver.
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  Speaker 5: No, but he'd be the best receiver run.
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  Speaker 7: But it's part of though, it's part of the whole
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  Speaker 7: picture though for me, and that's you know, and it's
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  Speaker 7: certainly a big piece of it.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 5: What disappoints to me the most is if you got Ridley.
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  Speaker 5: Not that it solves your wide receiver, but it takes
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  Speaker 5: less pressure off the draft to get that. So now
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  Speaker 5: maybe you can get a receiver in the third round
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  Speaker 5: to compliment Ridley. Now I'm thinking, oh, geez, we we
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  Speaker 5: got to spend a second round pick at least on
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  Speaker 5: a wide receiver or if not. Yeah, So like now
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  Speaker 5: you go into the draft with needs with more needs
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  Speaker 5: because you didn't solve one problem through a free agent.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we were talking about on catch twenty two
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  Speaker 1: is just that it makes it you can't You only
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  Speaker 1: have so many premium assets, so you can't hit on
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  Speaker 1: every single position with a premium asset in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: So now you really have a major need at quarterback, tackle, receiver,
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  Speaker 1: and you really didn't bridge it at all. Right, so
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  Speaker 1: which spot takes priority is a big thing. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: to your point about the free agency spend, right now,
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  Speaker 1: they've shelled out the third most cash in free agency
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  Speaker 1: out of any team in the league. So it's not
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  Speaker 1: that they haven't spent money, they just haven't spent money
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  Speaker 1: in the places where it's an exciting place to spend money.
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  Speaker 5: But they feel the cheap well they tried, I mean
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  Speaker 5: report is they had like a twenty million dollar off
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  Speaker 5: around the table like twenty two when he went for
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  Speaker 5: twenty three.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean yeah, like, no, it's hard.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know I would have like matched that if not.
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  Speaker 5: But maybe he just wanted didn't want to come to
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  Speaker 5: New England, wanted to go to Tennessee because there's less
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  Speaker 5: income tax.
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  Speaker 9: And remember when you guys used to make fun of
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  Speaker 9: me for talking about taxes.
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  Speaker 8: No, I didn't know, actually, and in all seriousness, I
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  Speaker 8: don't remember making fun of anybody about that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a huge.
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  Speaker 5: When all things are even those things come into play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He also is base camps in Florida, So Nashville
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  Speaker 1: is a lot closer to Florida than Boston is, so
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, still they're still in the southern region
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  Speaker 1: of the country down there, So I think that there's
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of elements of location involved, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: financially or just physical.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Okay, so should the Patriots have well for
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  Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty five. I think now you're getting
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  Speaker 5: into like crazy land for a guy like Ridley. You
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  Speaker 5: know now that it's not our money. I get it,
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  Speaker 5: but like at some point. You have to have principles,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because you have to set a precedent. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you can't you can't be Daniel Snyder, you know, back
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  Speaker 5: in the day, just throwing out money. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: it's it is disappointing, though I'm not gonna say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: well it's okay. Well, you know, it's not okay. Now
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  Speaker 5: we need a receiver, you know.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's you know, it's just I mean, we
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  Speaker 7: built it up too, We've you know, we thought that
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  Speaker 7: there was going to be some splashes. I think some
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  Speaker 7: of the things that were said in the lead up to.
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  Speaker 6: It with that there would be some splashes. You know what.
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  Speaker 7: I think what's disappointing is just there's not a lot
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  Speaker 7: of juice thinking about who we're going to be watching
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  Speaker 7: in the spring, who we're gonna be watching a training
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  Speaker 7: camp right now, and it's certainly all focuses on the
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  Speaker 7: draft now and how much has changed with that. Not much.
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  Speaker 7: They need to hit on the top three picks like
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  Speaker 7: they need to hit on them, and it's even more
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  Speaker 7: glaring now that they need those.
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  Speaker 5: Are really the only valuable assets they have right now
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  Speaker 5: is picks one, two, and three. You know all they
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  Speaker 5: could trade, Well, they can trade, but now you're probably
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to give up one of those valuable assets.
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  Speaker 5: That's the problem. Yeah, that's the problem. Ridley was free
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  Speaker 5: and clear. All you had to give him was money.
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  Speaker 5: You didn't have to give up one of those assets.
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  Speaker 5: So it is disappointing. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: They have probably fifty five million dollars in cap space
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  Speaker 1: and they have nobody to give it to. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: the talent, you know, other than Tyron Smith who sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he's ring chasing, So I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen.
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  Speaker 8: Have you heard something? I mean, but have you heard
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  Speaker 8: much about him? Because I don't really see much about him.
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  Speaker 1: No, I haven't in terms of where he's gonna go
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. No, but once Jodah Williams went last night,
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  Speaker 1: which is another one that you know. I'm scratching my
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  Speaker 1: head on that one too. It's reasonable money for what
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about now. You draft to tackle at sixty
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  Speaker 1: eight because you have somebody that can start for the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season. It's not an immediate need.
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  Speaker 5: I know one. I've said it on this show many times.
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  Speaker 5: No one's a bigger fan of Tyrone Smith than I am.
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  Speaker 5: But he has a lot of baggage. And I don't
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  Speaker 5: mean like off field stuff. I mean how he has
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  Speaker 5: to be handled practice wise, medically. He's he's always has
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  Speaker 5: something going on with him. And you know, from what
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  Speaker 5: I've read, the Cowboys really bent over backwards for him,
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  Speaker 5: like giving him extra days off.
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  Speaker 7: You know, did you just hear all this stuff like
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  Speaker 7: now in the last couple of weeks or has this
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  Speaker 7: been like.
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  Speaker 5: No, I've always known what I've always known, good Mike, No,
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  Speaker 5: I know I've always known about you know, his issues.
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  Speaker 7: Because I saw pop up and he kind of clapped
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  Speaker 7: back on Twitter and said, you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not injuries or injuries like you get like sort
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  Speaker 8: of what's the right word, concessions made in terms of
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  Speaker 8: your practice.
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  Speaker 1: Schedule because you hurt?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like is he not?
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  Speaker 8: You know, like to me, a lot would be like
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  Speaker 8: going way back the way back machine. Bill Belichick used
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  Speaker 8: to give Roman fight for you know, the beginning of
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  Speaker 8: the week off so you could go home to see
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  Speaker 8: his kids.
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  Speaker 5: That's that was the condition in signing here.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Like that to me is not that I'm
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  Speaker 8: saying that Roman Fifer was a bad person.
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  Speaker 1: Because he was going on with family.
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  Speaker 8: Well, by the way, Roman fight for one of the
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  Speaker 8: nicest men who's ever walked through that locker room. But
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  Speaker 8: I'm just saying that's a concession that not everybody yet.
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  Speaker 8: If you're hurt and they say, you know what, we
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  Speaker 8: need you one hundred percent, we want you to make
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  Speaker 8: sure you take care of your body. That's Willy McGinnis. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: but for Bill Belichick, don't worry about practice as much.
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  Speaker 5: These things with Smith are affecting his play, like he's
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  Speaker 5: not the guy he used to be.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's had some nagging injuries, like he hasn't played
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  Speaker 1: every game.
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  Speaker 8: He doesn't pay, He's not going to play seventeen games,
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  Speaker 8: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Now, but I don't think he's you know, Trent Brown
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  Speaker 5: in terms of attitude like that was an issue. I
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  Speaker 5: think that's.
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  Speaker 1: Not the That to me is baggage.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, So maybe it's the wrong word, but
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  Speaker 5: he's not, you know, playing at the high level that
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  Speaker 5: maybe he's looking for in terms of money, but he
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  Speaker 5: also could be ring cho.
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  Speaker 8: So Evan brought up Jonah Williams and then to get
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  Speaker 8: him the Cardinals like, oh, DJ Humphries is that the possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Man, Like, now we're getting back into like the Riley
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  Speaker 1: Reef Calvin Anderson has, has he slipped that far? I
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  Speaker 1: don't think spin was. I don't think it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: hard like they, you know, Chucks the Corps for is
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better than Calvin Anderson and Riley Reef was,
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  Speaker 1: and DJ Humphries is probably a little bit better, but
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  Speaker 1: we're still in the same general ballpark of like that's
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  Speaker 1: just sort of what you're left with, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. So now that's a concern, and you
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  Speaker 1: know the Ridley thing, Yeah, I understand, and people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna blow it off. And I've already seen people blowing
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  Speaker 1: it off. You know, I wouldn't pay him that much
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  Speaker 1: money either, Like at some point, like I'm both encouraged
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  Speaker 1: in disappointed at the same time because what i'd and
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  Speaker 1: Mike said about their aggressiveness. I would I do look
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  Speaker 1: at that.
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  Speaker 8: I kind of looked at going into free agency saying
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  Speaker 8: I don't want the twenty one thing. I don't want
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  Speaker 8: eight or nine different you know, big splashy moves that
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  Speaker 8: never works. But I do like one targeted kind of guy.
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  Speaker 8: They targeted this guy and if that's right with Albert
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  Speaker 8: Breer reported and I don't know that it is. But
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  Speaker 8: if it's right that they offered twenty two and you
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  Speaker 8: lose them for twenty three, that's disappointing to me. I'm
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  Speaker 8: excited that they looked into them to that level, but
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  Speaker 8: I'm disappointed that, you know, and I don't want to
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  Speaker 8: get back and relitigate our argument from Tuesday, but maybe
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  Speaker 8: if you don't resign Kendrick Boyn, there's a couple extra
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  Speaker 8: million that it would have taken to get Calvin.
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  Speaker 1: Ridley, and I would have liked that.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I don't think it's Heidget's fans are going to
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  Speaker 8: completely blow that off and say, you know, they're gonna
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  Speaker 8: sign maybe Marquise Brown and say, whould you rather have
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  Speaker 8: Ridley at twenty three or Brown at fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Or whatever it ends up being. And I would say,
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  Speaker 1: Kelvin Ridley, I want the better play.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think it's a matter of the total budget,
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  Speaker 5: and if you didn't sign Born, you'd have more to sign.
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  Speaker 5: I think they look at it as how much are
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  Speaker 5: we giving this player right? And and are we setting
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  Speaker 5: a bad precedent by giving overpaying that much on this guy?
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  Speaker 5: Because I don't think it would have the deal wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have got done if you matched Tennessee. I think you
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  Speaker 5: had to go significantly over it.
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  Speaker 8: I don't think you did, at least you were. I
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  Speaker 8: think you had to significantly beat Jacksonville. I don't think
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  Speaker 8: you had to significantly beat Tennessee because Tennessee's like you.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: But but again the other the other things, like the incomesto.
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  Speaker 8: Give them a half a million more. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 8: if I don't have to significantly blow that. Like Jack,
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  Speaker 8: I think he wanted to stay in Jacksonville. So to me,
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  Speaker 8: I'm finding out now Jacksonville was under twenty. That to
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  Speaker 8: me is a big gap. Three or four million. That's
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  Speaker 8: a biga.
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  Speaker 9: That's why I wonder if we were just like a
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  Speaker 9: leverage play for him, and all of us getting our
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  Speaker 9: hopes up, was just so he could put himself in
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  Speaker 9: a better position.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it's possible. I think his agent, David Marlgatta,
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  Speaker 1: I've mentioned before, one of the best in the business,
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  Speaker 1: and the stallin. We all thought it was because of
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  Speaker 1: the trade compensation with the Jaguars, and that at four
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  Speaker 1: oh one he was just going to sign back and
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  Speaker 1: with Jacksonville. But they that's an old agent trick that
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  Speaker 1: he pulled. Let's just wait and wait and wait. And
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  Speaker 1: then the Titans got crazy and threw threw him out
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  Speaker 1: a bag out of nowhere, and here we are now.
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  Speaker 5: I heard like somebody say, you know, Calvin Ridley, he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't want He said that he doesn't want to play
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  Speaker 5: in the cold. It gets cold in Tennessee. It's not
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  Speaker 5: like he's playing in Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, everywhere, but Florida really and listen.
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  Speaker 8: I would also like to see what the Patriots twenty
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  Speaker 8: two looked like, because this is basically that's true. This
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  Speaker 8: is basically a fifty million dollar deal, right, but how
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  Speaker 8: much which to me, it's not that's not a lot
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  Speaker 8: of money.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good point in how much of the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: twenty two was Guaranteed's guaranteed? And that's a that's everything,
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  Speaker 5: and that might be everything, and that might be a
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  Speaker 5: big difference.
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  Speaker 8: People might look at and say, well, you off at
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  Speaker 8: twenty two, they offered twenty three, Like what are you
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  Speaker 8: going to do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Maybe right, but they might have been doing like some
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  Speaker 8: of these other deals that that you're looking at, and
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  Speaker 8: it's like all.
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  Speaker 1: These roster bonuses, per game roster bonuses, and they're still
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  Speaker 1: very incentives. Is very big on all of these.
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  Speaker 6: Same with Bourne's too, I think is that it could
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  Speaker 6: be eight.
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  Speaker 1: But with Bourne he's coming off of twenty a cl
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  Speaker 1: so I understand that. But even Anthony Jennings got a
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  Speaker 1: huge incentives.
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  Speaker 8: From twelve to twenty four, mighty double his twelve to
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  Speaker 8: twenty four is a big difference.
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  Speaker 7: I just say though, though the part for me people
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  Speaker 7: talking about, well they missed out on Ridley. Who's the
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  Speaker 7: next receiver unless you're going to trade for a big dog,
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  Speaker 7: I don't need Tyler Boyd, Like it's just another one
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  Speaker 7: of these guys I'll take about.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: But they've shown interest in now I'm zero just like
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Tyler because he's the pure slot receiver that's agent like that.
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: I think he's a little you want to talk about
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: trading for t Higgins, I'll listen to, like acquiring that
• 14:51
  Speaker 7: kind of player, you know, like guy I love, but
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: I don't need another.
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: Oh I've heard of him.
• 14:56
  Speaker 7: He's like they need a guy. And I think that's
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: part part of it too, is like you don't have
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: a cornerstone of this free agency class. You don't have
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: someone to roll out there right now and be like
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: this is the guy that's show, you know, like that
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: gets fans excited, And look, they're doing it the way
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: that methodically, and there's probably a good chance they're gonna
• 15:14
  Speaker 7: just have to take it up the tailpipe. Next year,
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: we're gonna be back in the top ten and they're
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: gonna have another chance to get some guys. But you know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 7: I just I think we all kind of hope that
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: there would be at least a couple pieces that you'd
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: be like a new piece to get.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: One or two.
• 15:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, So then next year when you're in a similar spot,
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: more than likely those are two things you don't need.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: I hear a lot on the radio like, well, you're
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: not going to be very good, so those guys aren't
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: going to be around, Like why could Calvin Ridley not
• 15:40
  Speaker 8: be part of the next good Patriots team?
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Right? I would also just say that, you know, I've
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: always said this about DeAndre Hopkins, like it's a commulative
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: effect of like, Okay, now you have Calvin Ridley, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: now you stack a good receiver in the draft on
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: top of Calvin Ridley. Now the quarterback comes in Drake
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: May comes in and he's got Calvin Ridley to throw
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the ball to, and he's got you know, Ricky Pierce
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: aw to throw the ball to, and all of a
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: sudden you have an offense Like that's how this all
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: comes together.
• 16:05
  Speaker 8: Let's get really crazy and have Evans thing happened, And
• 16:08
  Speaker 8: then to Mario Douglas emerges as a really solid, complimentary
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: piece r in a role that I think we'd all
• 16:14
  Speaker 8: agree is probably best suited for him. Yeah, as you know,
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: a third or fourth guy in the slot.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: And when it gets time to pay one of those
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: guys like Douglas or whoever you draft the big money
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: you get rid of, you get rid of Ridley, and
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: then you draft another young guy.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: So that's the way it works.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: I mean I'll preface this with I kind of like
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: what they've done on defense. I think, you know, there's
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: still a couple of pieces out there that I think
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: they could add that could give them a little bit
• 16:37
  Speaker 7: of a boost. But I think what I'm really most
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: concerned about is that weren't for repeat last year's offensive line,
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: which is just especially when you're thinking about a rookie
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: quarterback like like, what are we doing? Are we talking
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: about Calvin Anderson. We're like crossing our fingers and hoping
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: he's going to be the left tackle this year.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: You know, I hate to say it, but I'm hoping
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: that the coaching is better than last year. I don't
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: think that there was a lot of coaching support the
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: offensive line last year. I think it was a second thought.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: I think it was David Andrews and James Farrens. I'm
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: not saying it's fair. I'm with Mike though this We
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: don't talk enough about the offensive line, and I know that,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: like it's not the most exciting thing to talk about,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: but they have not gotten any better on the offensive line,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and Chucks the corrifour is not fixing the offensive line,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and now all they've done is brought back Mike on
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Winny chucksa corri for is a third tackle in this league.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: He's not a starter. He's a third tackle. I know
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: he started a lot of games, but he's not that level.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: They're probably not going to get Tyrone Smith, Jonah Williams
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: goes to Arizona. There's really nothing else on the market
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of free agents, so it's that part of it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Is is definitely scared.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: And then like one more thing just to like kind
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: of annoying, is like people are like, well, you just
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: play a Corps four left tackle. I mean, Paul touched
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: on this, and like, you know when you will be
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: right tackling, like nobody's playing in the right position, Like
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: why how is this going to be better?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Helped me out? Has he ever played left? He maybe
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: like a couple of snaps, but really on a regular basis,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: not since college was seven years ago, by the way,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: Bill Bill told told us that a million times. It's
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: not as easy as just switching sides right and and
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: the guy has never played left tackle, expecting him to
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: play left. As Evan said, he's kind of a journeyman
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: right tackle.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: Right right, And so I I just don't get it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think, you know, I'm fine with letting
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: cold Strange compete the gid they brought in from Tampa Leverette,
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: which I was.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Like, loveritt, you know, a little evertt, little flair evert
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: for you.
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: Another guy f former practice squad guy, another guy why yeah,
• 18:33
  Speaker 8: he like, even you don't trust or so to compete
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: with Strange.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: I looked at him. Why not.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a lot of money.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: Fifty three guys in the rock.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: It's fine. He's not a roster.
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: I feel like they have a lot of guys like
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: that on the interior.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: If if this guy was a tackle, I would friend,
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: I would say why not if he was a tackle?
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: But he's kind of he started like a hand of
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: games only because of injury one year. Other than that,
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: he's been a practice squad, fringe roster player in Tampta.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: I mean you're looking at a Frankenstein offensive line right now,
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: which look but as Evan laid out, frank like Frankenstein,
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: you're taking.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: It should be really because Frankenstein was the Fraankenstein.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: Sorry you like that ball? He seemed like I started
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: a chord with the kind of Frankenstein.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: I mean that's what it felt like. And I mean,
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: you know, the online pundits are just, well, just put
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: him there and then you know when he was playing
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: right tacklem not his best position and c C will
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: be the right guard, and he was okay, like like
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: what are we doing if we're really talking about having
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: a rookie quarterback at number three right?
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: And I would I would hope they think more of
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: Cole Strange, Mafy so Jake Andrews than Nick LeVert. I
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: would hope they think more of those guys, the homegrown guys.
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: And if they don't, I think that's something to be
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: concerned about. Like I said, if he was a tackle,
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: he'd make a lot of sense. You got to have
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: some guys a compete response.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I just want to go into twenty twenty four with
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: someone that's not easy to defend. You know what I mean?
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't want to hear that unless it's a
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: rookie third round ride receiver. I think that train is slowly.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Just watch something that other defensive coordinators have to plan.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You can get that on Day two of this draft.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: It's just that they also have quarterback and tackle. Our
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: premium needs also high.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: A tweet the last day.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: You would have thought they would be able to fill
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: a need in free agency so they could concentrate on
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: the other two in the draft.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: To go into the draft. Needing all three still is disappointing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, disappointing, And.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Like I said, yeah, trade market is still available, but
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: now you're going to have to give up probably one
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: of those three assets you have to and.
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: It wouldn't have been a permanent fix, you know, Like
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: even Tyrone Smith isn't a permanent fix. He's a he's
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: a twenty twenty four fix.
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: Right yea.
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: But like there was some creative things I think they
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: could have done. Like the Jets, their offensive line is
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: every bit as much in shambles as the Patriots. Right,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: they have one guy that they like in Vera Tucker,
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: just like the Patriots have a win you But they
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: went out and made a move to get Morgan Moses back. Now,
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: Morgan Moses is not Tyron Smith in his prime. He's
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: not a stud tackle, but he's played tackle in the league.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: It's a guy that played there before. They probably feel
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: okay about him. Like even a move like that would
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: have made me feel better than you know, a corps
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: of four trying to say, well, can he play left tackle?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Well, probably not, He's never done it. Yeah, him playing
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: right tackle to begin the year with a rookie waiting
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: in the wings is not the worst thing. I'm okay
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with that. But you would have had to have signed
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: a Jonah Williams or someone like that to play the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: other spot. So that's that's the part that I just
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: don't really see how it comes together. Is that you
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: don't you don't have. You have zero starting tackles right
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: now unless you're counting on Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: If you had somehow like not had yourself in a
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: position where it's going to be a quarterback probably at three,
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: if you could have you know, Joe alt or.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: A fashion now fush fashing.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: Plug and play like you draft those guys in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: top ten, plug and play left tackle, and then it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: survival of the fittest at left guard. Whoever is the
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: best out of those guys, David Andrews, Michael when you
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: and then you got a quarter four to you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: while you're waiting for someone better, that's at least a
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: big step toward addressing your offensive line. No one's expecting
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: the Patriots. I hear this a lot too, like it's
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: a quick it's not a quick fix. It's a big rebuild. Yes,
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: we all agree. No one's expecting to go from four
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: and thirteen to thirteen and four. I mean, at least,
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: I don't. I don't know how you guys feel. I mean,
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of work to be done, but at
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: least that would show you some progress. What they've done
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: right now to me is they've cut a couple of
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: guys that didn't fit factor into their immediate plans that
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: replaced them with either the existing guys that were already
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: here or Watts uh, you know for for a guy
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: you know you know inside they even know a different style.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And that's it right now, like that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: There needs to be more and the person getting the
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: most heat is Matt Judon.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: It is funny how I saw it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: Like once he was like, I love Matt Judah, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: he's got to be over one hundred on the show.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Stop that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: It's just like and then he did like, well, Mat
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: Wilson is like announcing his like goodbye to New England.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: He's like, come back to New England.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: You think I.
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: Appreciate the humor, but I wonder if he even knew.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I like the T Higgins one just got off the.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: Phone with the best part of that was look at
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: God at the end of the sign off.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: I was like, we gotta is funny.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It's just not It's just not funny right now.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: No, it's not funny now.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: And I think, just like what you were saying, though, Paul,
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: two of of you know, it's not going to turn around,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: it's like, can we just at least try to put
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: something in place to protect this rookie quarterback that's that
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: we want to get in there, or what's gonna what
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: I don't want to help happen.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, two years from now, we're sitting here saying they
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: have a lot of holes to fill, like I want,
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: let's just say they have ten holes to fill right now.
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: I want next year they're only to be eight holes
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: to fill, and then in two years, maybe there's only
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: five holes to fill. Like I I'm not looking for
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: ten to get filled all at once with a magic
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: act of wow, hall of Fame or at first round pick,
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: hall of Fame, second round pick. That's unrealistic. But right
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: now it's like the draft or bust.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it also feels like, you know, to your point
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: about which quarterback is gonna get killed behind this offensive
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: line next year, you're either in a position where you're
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback at three to sit him because you
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: don't want to throw him into this, or you're not
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: taking the quarterback at all because you're not ready for
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. So it's like, now we're in this position too,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: where if they draft Drake May at three overall. He
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: already has you know, some people saying he should sit anyways,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and now you're going to throw him into this mess
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Like now he is sitting for an entire year.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Lead us to the top overall, pickch Kobe bris that
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: next year, and there we'll have Drake punk Drake mayon
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: there and whoever number one overall is now.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't think. I don't think not getting
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley, however, affects what we think the Patriots are
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: going to do in the draft. We still think they're
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: going to take the best quarterback available at number three.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I had to bet on it, yes,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: But I think trading down makes it becomes more of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a sensible thing to do. Hey, what's the quarterback picking
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: to do? Unless you really think that that guy is
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback?
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, but you're picking him at three you think he's
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: a franchise court I didn't think that. If you don't
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: think that, don't then trade down.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I think trading down because of what I just said,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: what's he going to have to work with here next year?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Well, that's that's his problem right now. If you have
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: a chance to get a franchise quarterback you must take,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: you must do.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: It, Okay, But the franchise quarterback still has to have
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a good supporting cast and a good foundation.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Around him, Okay, And I get it.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Otherwise he'll get happy feed and get sped up and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: we'll be in the same pen and what comes first.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: But if again, we'll figure that out. But if you
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: have the chance to get the guy, you've got to
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: get the guy.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I just think that if they if
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they're in this position and they really don't do anything
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: between now and the draft to change the.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Equation, he's gonna have a hard time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting him on the bench.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe you do that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just not putting him out there.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, if you believe whoever's there at three
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: is a franchise guy, you must take him and watch
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: him get killed and or sit him or whatever, but
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: you must make him part of your team.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: I agree, it's but it's I mean, it's rough thinking
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: about Jacoby Brissett. This offensive line, like Kendrick Bourne comes back.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: But I mean, now you don't even really have a
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: Parker to at least throw out there on the outside.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: For some kind of presence like and I'm not saying
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: I'm a Parker fan, but I mean they're worse on
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: offense right now than they were, you know, and we're
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, we're day.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, DeVante Parker might have been a ditioned
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: by subtraction.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: And I think there's an argument to be made for that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: And you know, I mean I heard I heard Badard
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Bernard talking a little bit about some of that stuff,
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: you know, where they better today, which I just know
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: it was kind of a stupid question just because they're
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: right in the midst of it at that at this moment.
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: But it's you know, it's hard. It's hard to see
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: how this offense is going to, you know, really make
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: any strides right now.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Let's think about it a different way. We know how
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: the Patriots ended up in twenty twenty three. Can we
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: remember where they were in twenty twenty three in March
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: as compared to now and what we were thinking in March.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: They've gotten juju?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They juju kasiki. Yeah, brought back everybody.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: On Calvin Anderson.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Eliminate myself from the conversation. Okay, I remember what I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was saying, you you would he was correct. I remember
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: how I was getting mocked.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: Oh right, yeah, well.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Or maybe better now, I don't know, not by you guys. Okay, now,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you were right about Juju one hundred percent. And I
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: think that that's one thing you look at that it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: made me so interested in Calvin Ridley was that he
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: did get a lot of those one on one matchups
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: against good man coverage because they kept playing him at
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the X receiver spot for some reason. So it wasn't
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Juju running into voids of space of off coverage and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: just catching the ball because everybody else, you know, created
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: all this space for him. He Calvin Ridley, when you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: watch his tape from Jacksonville last year, was winning on
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: routes like by himself, you know. So that's why I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: thought that it was worth it. But where they were
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: last year, I think the one guy that I would
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: just say in free agency that's still out there, I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: would go after Mike Williams. I would pay Mike Williams.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not paying him twenty million dollars a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: year like Chargers just did, but in terms of who's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: still available on the market, he's the one guy that
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that would give me any sort of in.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: Him too, absolutely, And I just what the frustrating thing.
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: I guess with the money, you know, he I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: he's now like according to those sites like over the
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: Cap and those, I think Ridley becomes like the tenth
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: highest paid receiver in the game. Now, he's not a
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: top probably not a top ten receiver for the moment,
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: but he's probably ten to twenty. He's probably somewhere in
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: the twenty, number one, number two. This time next year,
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: he's going to be in the twenties for because all
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: of those guys are going to get as Evan likes
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: to say, the bag right, like Justin Jefferson, just CD Lamb,
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: you know, like she's going to be Jamar Chase. These
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: guys are all going to be up Higgins are. They're
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: all going to get They're all going to get paid, right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: Nobody's gonna want to get paid first though, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: like everybody's gonna want to wait somebody else.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Jefferson, Chase In Lamb, Yeah, probably all My guess is
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that Jefferson will have to go first because he's going
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: to make the most. I think Jefferson could push forty
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: million a year.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: Like he's in the Texas, like in Minnesota.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but the most in Minneapolis or St.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Paul.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I guess, like the the CAAP adjusted number of tire
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he kills contract is thirty six point six million, So
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that's just the starting point for Minnesota on justin Jefferson.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So if he is in a situation where he's got
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like multiple options or something like that.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: And who's his quarterback, Sam Darnold, that's not our problem.
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: I'm just saying that's probably why he's not going to
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: be there much longer.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: Do you think that's like they're going to make him
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: have a down year so they can low ball them.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: That'll work. I mean, he kind of had a down
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: year last year because he was a Hurst hurt, but
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: when you look at the per game averages, he would
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: have had another two thousand yard season if he had
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: played the whole year.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm about to probably go down the rabbit
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: hole here with Paul.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: Let's strap in.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: You know, we know that every year the cap is
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: going up a lot, to the point where you know
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: it's getting easier to manipulate it because the cap is
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: going up. But do you think even with those increases,
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: with the increases of these positions. Do you think the
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: importance of the cap might three years from now four
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: years and they'll start to come into play again, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: because they I don't the chunks that you're paying two
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: or three guys on your on your roster, is that
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: is such that it's taking up a higher percent.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But look at it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Look at the Patriots right now, they've got fifty million
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: in space. They have no one to spend, you know.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: But there'll be a lot of teams that don't have
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: those guys, you know, So I don't know. I mean,
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: there certainly might be a problem for a couple of teams,
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: but let's don't have the guys.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: I think people only look at the fancy, flashy numbers,
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: and I think wide receiver right now is going in
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: an astronomical direction. People don't talk about running back.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: That's true. That's gone to.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: Tight end safety safety like a lot of the other
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: numbers are.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: You know, we're kind of going the other way.
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: Even corner, yeah, even corner. Uh, there's there's not as
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: many of those now. I think that some of it
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: is cyclical, But I think it's hard to make an argument.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: And I know you weren't making You're just bringing up
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: a point Freddy that the higher the cap goes, eventually
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: it's going to come more into play. Like if the
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: cap keeps what was it like fourteen percent.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: This year thirty million increase, but I.
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: Think it was like a fourteen percent increase of something
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: crazy like that, if it continues to grow, and there's
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: no reason to think it won't, Like this revenue is
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: not going to go anywhere.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not going to make this big of a jump.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: It made this big of a jump because of the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: new TV deals, right, so now every year is.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: And what they're going to do, in my opinion is
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: they're going to continue to search for ways to add Amazons.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, and that's going to be.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: More and more. Just wait till the playoffs.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: The other the other part that helped this year be
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: so big was that influx from the COVID year that
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: they all paid back or whatever, and that allowed it
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: to jump up. Listen, it's all business stuff that no
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: one cares about, least of all me. But I just
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: feel like the cap is at a point now where
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: it's just kind of there and it's all about the
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: kind of money you want to spend.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: But knowing these owners at some point they're gonna be like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: we gotta, we gotta get this under control.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: They're making more money though, yeah, you know it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Just I don't even understand why we have a cap anymore,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Like if you here the NFL, like the luxury tax
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: system is like why why are we still acting like
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the cap is real? Like it's a it's a fake number.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: Both both in football and basketball. Like I don't really
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: understand why the existence. Well, Coney, I get it for
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: two reasons. Number one, the NHL is not nearly as
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: profitable as the other three sports, so they don't have
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: that that kind of revenue.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But it's actually a cap.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: If you want to tell me the importance of controlled
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: spending the owners feel so strongly about it, then put
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: a real cap in and make it a four year,
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: twenty million dollar deal. Is five million a year, doesn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: matter how you want to do it. You can pay
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: them twenty million in the first year, but it's gonna
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: cost you five million a year for four years on
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: the cap. Whether we play, whether he doesn't play right,
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: that's the NHL. It's a real hardline cap. That's how
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: it's done. The only loophole in the NHL is long.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Term, I ar and and that guy can't play, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: like multi team trades with brokers and stuff, but that
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we don't need to bug down the show. But in general,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you sign a guy to a deal and the life
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of the deal, you can pro rate it. You can
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. The cap is treated evenly. The
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: NBA is start like, the NBA has aprons now, so
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's it's it's thresholds for the luxury tax,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and the Celtics are one of the teams that are
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: in the upper apron. So with GROSSBEC has to cut
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: a check every single year to pay for Jason Tatum
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: and Jalen Brown and so on and so forth. So
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that like it's not quite the same way as baseball,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: which is is truly uncapped basically with the luxury tax threshold.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But the cap number in the NFL is fake. The
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: real cash money is the one that's real. So you
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: have teams that are under the cap at two fifty
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: five but are paying three fifty for their roster, so
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: like you know that, and they don't get in other
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: leagues you get penalized for that in money.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, in our league, you take one hundred million
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: and you spread it out in other years.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You just in our league, you just burn the cash, like,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, so we have we're in cap jail,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: so we're just gonna convert this guys to a salary bonus.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And Josh Allen just created the bills sound like you
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: don't really have sixty million dollars in cap good all
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: of a sudden out of you know, overnight, Now the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: bills are cap not only cap compliant, but they have
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: cap space.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: It's just like what do we do with mame?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing, not not quite as much money, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: Moved and found some space, right and like you know, oh,
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: they sign him this huge deal. And that's the other
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: part of this is and I think it's really smart
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: the way these teams do it is like the big,
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: the really big contracts makes it easier to do stuff
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: like that, like oh, yeah, we used to do it
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: with Tom till year that they would restructure and give
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: him like thirty million.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we used his We use this contract like a
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: mortgage with that yes, you know, yes, make your money.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I think it was one year and.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: You got like fifty two million, and they they added
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: a year or two and they spread it out, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: he he gets the money. So it's great for the
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: player and it works for the cap. Yeah, all right,
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: that's your cap Talk eight five five Pats five hundred
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: is the Aceticket hotline. Web radio at Patriots dot com
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: is the email address. Got a lot of emails coming in.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: Anything else you want to talk about, whether it's the
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: league or Patriots or anything anything on the table. No,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, oh because of Yeah, I mean, I don't
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: think anyone was surprised, right, No, you know, we had
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: some people say, oh, you need to have an emergency podcast.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: No, I mean some people.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, in all fairness, it wasn't just internal
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: was I get some tweets about it, But I don't
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: think it rose to the level of it because we
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: knew it was going to happen.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Can we just like for now, like emergency, a big
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: name comes to the Patriots, like to talk about if
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: it's a big name that leaves the Patriots, we're probably not.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Going to cut emergency podcast.
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: It was it might have been the original, but the
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: if if the Patriots lost a.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Big name, I'd be in favor of.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Now they don't have any big names.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: It's kind of hard to like, if in all seriousness,
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: like and I'm not.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Kidding, like Patriots gets traded, that might that to me,
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: might of what we got back?
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: How about far more they left? How about if bar
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Moore got traded?
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, that would be on alleged podcast can be doing
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: it from.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: But I'm just trying to like tell you, like example,
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: it's not out of the Roman possibility that the guy
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: going into the last year of his contract gets traded.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, let's face these things happen sometimes.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: That's where they and not realistically that you're.
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: Going to have this fifty million in cap space. He'd
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: be a guy that I'd be.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: It's something that comes out of the knock on door
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: that we weren't expecting a big deal.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: Do you think do you think they use some of
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: that money for Dougger to try to get out of
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: that tag and try to give him some kind of
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: extension or some kind of deal.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to buy out.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a matter of using some of
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: that money.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: If they if they can roll it over.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But if they felt like Douger was worth fifteen million,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I think they give him fifteen million. But I don't
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: think they do.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, there's a report out there that they
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: thought he they offered him around thirteen AAV. The tag
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: is thirteen point eight, so it made sense to use
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the tag because that's how they valued him. Anyways, And
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you haven't heard anything about him having a market as
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of right now, so I think that tag it for
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: now might have somehow scared some teams off that might
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: have been interested.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: And but going back, you know to what you were
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: saying reaction on Mac, I think it's the best for
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: both parties. You only got a six round pick. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: don't think you could have really expected much more, you
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: know than that. And and I hope he does well.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: He's going to back up, you know, Trevor Lawrence.
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a good situation where he's from.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: It's good good he'll.
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Back up Lawrence.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: He might get a chance if Lawrence, you know, gets hurt.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: He thought through a lot of injuries last year, and
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: he'll hit the market next year and I'm sure some
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: team will take a chance on him.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: So good luck, I know, the whole Bailey Zappi was
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: kind of a topic on Patriots Twitter today, like what
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: do you do with Bailey zappy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: You get off that seriousness like that stuff?
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: How do you get off Patriots?
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Twitter? Yeah, following. I don't follow people an algorithm?
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: Is it coming into like your side algorithm top for
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: you hit following?
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: But you're your algorithm. You're still taught. You never you
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: can't get rid of it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: I know what I'm talking about. The young The young
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: people know quick algorithm aside.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: For some reason, I don't really go on Facebook much,
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: but for some reason I get fed plain turbulence videos
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: like and I cannot stop getting plaining turbulence videos, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: like I don't want to watch them, but like every
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: time I look at like the short thing, it's like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: oh look at this turbulence, Oh my god, huge drop.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: Get I don't know it's driving me.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Away from Facebook, but playing turbulence. I don't know why.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And now you're speaking about it.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: I know my phone is like more plain turbulence, better
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: better than my algorithm on Facebook. I don't want to open.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Facebook.
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: It's all guys from the Jersey named Mike.
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: How you doing.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: I don't get a ton of I played the fifth
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: Facebook stuff. I don't get a ton of crap. But Twitter,
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: I'm not even.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: On Facebook, I'm old.
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: I just kind of look at it from time to
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: time to see what the people I didn't even talk
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: to when high school are doing. Like it was a
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: nice novelty like right out, you know, like when it
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: came out, and like, oh, look at what all these
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: people from high school doing. Announce Remember why you talked?
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: I don't care what they're doing anymore.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Like the sad part is is that that's Facebook's demographic now,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Like it used to be the young gins when it
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: first started, but now the demographic is people that want
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to reconnect with high school or stay connected to high
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: school friends in college friends. It's always old for me.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Evan doesn't want us to know he's stuck
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: in Connor McDermott.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I like Connor McDermott. All right, But one
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: more thing about the Patriots Twitter thing. I don't know
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: if this is just me, but the the Bailey Zappi
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: workout videos that I've been seeing with with with the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: like the cast of the cast of Misfit Toys besides
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne, Like, I I guess popped out this. Okay, sorry,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I'm sorry, and I think
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: maybe it's just because he stinks and like, I can't
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: get that out of my head. But the Bailey Zappi,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not anywhere near mean, by the way, the Bailey
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Zappi stuff irks me a lots me a lot like
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it because it started with him. It started with.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: Him everybody workout in the off season.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's documenting it. Like at first it started
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: with with liking the mac Jones trade tweet. Wait, which
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: that's that. That was where it started. The turn started
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: for me, And at that point I was like, no,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I'm already done. Then we're posting workout uh you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: videos and throwing passes there five yard passes and dart
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: dart to Taekwon Thornton, Like I want both of them
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: off my football team, So I don't really care. I'll
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: tell you I'm not anywhere nearest. It's also like the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: just the look, the vibe like that you get is
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like he thinks he's starting here. This stuff I don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: have a problem.
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: With with Zappy per se, Like, and this might be
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: the first time in the history of the show that
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: I'm not as worked up as someone else's about some random,
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: insignificant thing Like I have a very crazy thing. And
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: I used to say the same thing when we used
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: to get inundated with Brady videos in Montana. Rember Brady
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: Brady the best who ever did? I have a crazy
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: assumption that I make with professional athletes in general, but
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: NFL players specifically. I think they do a pretty good
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: job of working out.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But the Montana videos are great because he was good.
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: Operated that these guys don't roll out of bed and
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: show up the first day of training camp and become
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: the greatest player who's ever played. But I don't need
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: to see you throwing passes in your backyard to Danny
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: and Mendola, and I certainly to Evan's point, do not
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: need to see Bailey Zappi throwing darts.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But what the kids.
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: Do, it doesn't have to be shown on my because
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: because I don't get off, I do not follow any
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: of those people.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: But you're missing the business end of it. Their feeds
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: are their business, that's their brand. So whatever they can
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: do to get more followers, they're going to do it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Do you know what they should do, Bailey Zappy, put
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: your head down, go to the gym without the cameras,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in silence, and actually show up a camp like you
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: are a starting quarterback in the NFL. So I again,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: not anywhere near as mean as him. Thank you Newt Rock.
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: So I want to ask Alex so who is putting
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: the video out.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I've only sounds like Kendrick.
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: I've only seen Kendrick Bourne putting videos. They're all out
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: there with Kendrick in Portland. I think they were at
• 44:31
  Speaker 9: the Nike headquarters yesterday, so the four of them.
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Taekwon.
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: Theoretically, I'm getting it because I follow Kendrick Kendricks.
• 44:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Kendrick has a vlog.
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: He always has like.
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: Please video guys around him, and Kendrick has a lot
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: of brand.
• 44:45
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  Speaker 1: for it.
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  Speaker 8: The problem everyone's talking about the reaction to the videos
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  Speaker 1: Though, man serious, exactly the same. He's bulked up, went
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• 45:17
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• 47:37
  Speaker 11: And we are back with another edition of the PU
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  Speaker 11: Halftime Show. I'm joined by Chris Cassidy. It's me and
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: a chiefs ballman, and we haven't done one of these
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: for a while, right, it feels like we're Chris. Now,
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: we're in Indy, you know, scouting out some of the
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: prospects for the year as free agency season, draft season.
• 47:53
  Speaker 11: But as always, we're gonna start off with some trivia.
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: I think we have some shirts left. Don't worry, you're
• 47:57
  Speaker 11: gonna win something if you get these rights. Send you
• 48:00
  Speaker 11: answers in the web Radio Patriots dot Com. Chris, don't answer.
• 48:03
  Speaker 11: I got some good ones, all right. So Question one?
• 48:06
  Speaker 11: What four movies motion pictures did Tom Brady appear in?
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: All right?
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: What four movies did Tom Brady appear in? Yes, yes,
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: you thinking about it. Question two? What Division one college
• 48:20
  Speaker 11: did Deon Branch attend?
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: All right?
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: And so to give you some background on this, he
• 48:24
  Speaker 11: went to junior college. But what Division one school did
• 48:26
  Speaker 11: he attend?
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what that one?
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: All right, Chris, a little before your time, you're barely alive.
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: Question three, how many touchdowns did Chad Ocho Cinco have
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: with the Patriots, all right, So I was always send
• 48:39
  Speaker 11: your answers into web radio at Patriots dot com and Chris,
• 48:43
  Speaker 11: it is March fourteenth. A free agency officially opened yesterday,
• 48:48
  Speaker 11: but you know it's legal tampering period the week before,
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: stuff like that. But anyways, you know, we have some
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: Pats free agents re signings that we've talked about. But
• 48:56
  Speaker 11: I also want to talk about free agents around the
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: league and what are some new matchups that you're excited about.
• 49:03
  Speaker 11: There are some new additions you're sided about, like what
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: do you think is gonna work? What do you think
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: is not gonna work? Let me go first. The first
• 49:09
  Speaker 11: one I'm excited about is Kirk Cousins. That no, it's
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: you reacted here. Tell me why do you think this
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: is gonna work or not work?
• 49:15
  Speaker 12: So?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I love Kirk.
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: I he was really one of the guys that if
• 49:21
  Speaker 13: we wanted a veteran presence in this locker room here
• 49:23
  Speaker 13: in New England. I think he's a guy that you
• 49:26
  Speaker 13: would go with over Russell Wilson, you wanted him here
• 49:29
  Speaker 13: over Baker Mayfield. Yeah, I realistically if there was one
• 49:32
  Speaker 13: of those three guys, I would have wanted to Kirk
• 49:34
  Speaker 13: Kirk the most. I think Kirk fits the best in Atlanta.
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: I think he has weapons around him, A new coach.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: New coach.
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: We heard raheem a little in Indie like it's not
• 49:43
  Speaker 11: Arthur Smith like Kyle fits. He's gonna he's gonna get
• 49:45
  Speaker 11: the ball.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 49:46
  Speaker 13: And there was a funny little back and forth between
• 49:48
  Speaker 13: Kirk and Cale Pits about his number.
• 49:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah on social Yeah, just he said I was joking,
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: he's joking about He wasn't joking.
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: He wants some targets. Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 13: But I loved Kirk going Atlanta.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great fit for him. He got
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: his bag too, So.
• 50:02
  Speaker 11: I mean, which like he's coming off in Achilles. I
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: mean they we're talking about Rogers maybe running for vice
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: president because he tore his achilles. So all right, that's
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: all the topics. That's all yeah, to get in. But
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: on paper in Madden, that offense is scary. If Kirk
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: Cousins is back to what he's used to be, got
• 50:20
  Speaker 11: Bejon Robinson, Drake Lendon, Kyle Pitts and Kirk.
• 50:24
  Speaker 13: You're a big Madden guy. What do you think that
• 50:26
  Speaker 13: Atlanta Falcons set overall is gonna.
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: Be it's gonna start off at ninety three for the offense,
• 50:30
  Speaker 11: but then it's gonna drop because I don't think it's
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: got all right, Chris, what else we got?
• 50:35
  Speaker 13: Uh So I would say, I mean, for me, one
• 50:38
  Speaker 13: of my favorite signings and the guy he spent eight
• 50:41
  Speaker 13: seasons in Tennessee as a running back. He signed with
• 50:44
  Speaker 13: the Ravens.
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: The world's worst kept secret.
• 50:47
  Speaker 13: He he's just still he's still got that popping him.
• 50:50
  Speaker 13: He still has that King Henry speed. Derrick Henry signing
• 50:53
  Speaker 13: with the Ravens, that was a huge deal for them.
• 50:55
  Speaker 13: Gus Edwards signed with the Chargers. So now Derrick Henry
• 50:58
  Speaker 13: is a primary back in Baltimore.
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: Can we talk about how good that all black with
• 51:03
  Speaker 11: the black visor is gonna look.
• 51:05
  Speaker 13: So the purple is gonna look amazing on him too,
• 51:07
  Speaker 13: And I mean think about that backfield though. Lamar Jackson
• 51:10
  Speaker 13: one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in the NFL right
• 51:13
  Speaker 13: now and just won the MVP. Derrick Henry, Yes, he's
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: going on to his ninth season in the NFL, but
• 51:19
  Speaker 13: he still has that strength, he still has that quickness.
• 51:21
  Speaker 13: It might not be where it was four years ago,
• 51:24
  Speaker 13: but he still does have it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: They also got the back I forget his name. Evan
• 51:27
  Speaker 11: told me yesterday that Mitchell whatever they got the little
• 51:29
  Speaker 11: speedy guy to his little spell. Yeah, but he's legit too,
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: So all right, we got that and then all over
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: two more. Let's we get some more time. But Texans.
• 51:40
  Speaker 11: Texans are making some moves, Chris. They just picked up
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: Daniel Hunter with that D line is scary, all right,
• 51:47
  Speaker 11: Like they're legit, and let's talk about like they were
• 51:51
  Speaker 11: in it for Saquon and we went to the Eagles,
• 51:53
  Speaker 11: but like c J. Stroud rookie quarterback, one offensive rookie
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: of the year, and talk about helping you guy, like
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: I'm a good defense. They have Tank Dell coming back
• 52:02
  Speaker 11: off injury, and I'm sure they'll make some more moves
• 52:04
  Speaker 11: in the draft. And then the painful part of being
• 52:07
  Speaker 11: a Pats fan, Calvin Ridley, Oh, Calvin Ridley going to
• 52:10
  Speaker 11: the Titans less than four years, ninety two million, fifty
• 52:14
  Speaker 11: million guaranteed. People forget he's twenty nine. Yeah, and they
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: didn't pay a twenty seven year old AJ Brown that money.
• 52:22
  Speaker 11: So I mean, hey, I'm never gonna be upset about
• 52:25
  Speaker 11: players get in the bag. But you would have liked
• 52:28
  Speaker 11: to see him in New England, but I'm not too
• 52:30
  Speaker 11: upset about it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: Ridley.
• 52:31
  Speaker 13: Ridley got his payment for sure. Don't know if you
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: would have gotten that anywhere else, no other than Jacksonville. Yeah,
• 52:39
  Speaker 13: that was clear he didn't want to stay. It was
• 52:40
  Speaker 13: kind of interesting with the report saying that he was
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: focused on the Patriots and the Jaguars, but then just
• 52:45
  Speaker 13: crossing everybody.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You gotta one Tennessee.
• 52:47
  Speaker 11: You gotta wonder about that also, like, you know, if
• 52:49
  Speaker 11: he signed before the deadline, jackson was gonna have to
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: give up a second and then they gave up a third,
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: And you're wondering if you, like I'm wondering if they're
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: talking to him, like, hey, I'm not gonna le Jacksonville,
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: but you guys took a chance on me after my
• 52:59
  Speaker 11: whole suspension. Let me do you a solid And wait,
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: you only give up a third. I don't know.
• 53:04
  Speaker 13: Yeah, there was probably conversation there, but at the same time,
• 53:07
  Speaker 13: like didn't really see much about Tennessee being in the
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: mix there. And I mean, this is what the second receiver,
• 53:13
  Speaker 13: and Tennessee's posted a guy from the Patriots.
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: Like Will Levis, He wasn't that bad. They got Hopkins
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: trailing Burks and Ridley, so I mean, go out there
• 53:24
  Speaker 11: and win it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 13: There's a little bit of rumors though that Hopkins with
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: the Calvin Ridley signing, there's a chance that he might
• 53:29
  Speaker 13: not be there twenty four.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: We'll see, all.
• 53:33
  Speaker 11: Right, we'll do you know, we'll commanders. They made some moves,
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: but you know, they made a twenty eighteen move. If
• 53:39
  Speaker 11: it was twenty eighteen, they'd be an all star team.
• 53:41
  Speaker 11: Bobby Wagner, Austin Eckler, though, zach Ertz, and then real quick, Chris.
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: The Pats re signed a bunch of guys. We're hoping
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: to make some more moves, but it looks like we're
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: gonna do most of our dirty work in the draft.
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: So yeah, hearing the reports about the Patriots kind of
• 53:56
  Speaker 13: stepping away from the wide receiver free agency market, it's interesting.
• 54:01
  Speaker 13: There's still a couple of good guys out there that
• 54:03
  Speaker 13: you could go and get, like at Mike Williams and
• 54:06
  Speaker 13: some others. But you know, it's an interesting direction. There's
• 54:09
  Speaker 13: a lot of good wide receivers in this upcoming draft.
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: Like we talked about it with the tackles and now
• 54:14
  Speaker 13: the wide receiver is probably two most two deepest positions
• 54:18
  Speaker 13: in the NFL draft, So you could really go with
• 54:21
  Speaker 13: any of those guys on that board and you'll get
• 54:23
  Speaker 13: some sort of production pretty early on.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: So the ability to develop them is important.
• 54:28
  Speaker 13: But I do still think there's a chance you could
• 54:31
  Speaker 13: try to go over somebody a free agency, but I mean.
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: It's not our money, no, all right, Chris, thanks for joining.
• 54:38
  Speaker 11: As always, guys, send your trivia answers in the web
• 54:41
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• 54:43
  Speaker 11: topics you wants to discuss this offseason, send them in
• 54:45
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• 54:49
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• 54:52
  Speaker 2: When someone accidentally threw away the school play costumes, oh no,
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• 55:09
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 6: History.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: People are like, oh, even though you're vaccinated, you still
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: have to wear a mask. Well, no, they want you
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: to because not everybody else has gotten it.
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: No, not everybody else has gotten it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: They're not sure yet.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well that's why they're trying to be saved, right,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: But if we don't want to go back.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I know I want the masks, you never know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: Strains, variants. I'm reading right now the Middle Ages, and
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: like we think we've got it bad, what kind of
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: should be good? The bubonic play? We got nothing over that.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: I mean literally half of Europe died when you got it,
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: you died. I mean that was it. And you know
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: it lasted for a couple of years, and then it
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: went away, but then it came back over the course
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: of fifteen years.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Expect he was also like.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: Seventeen, but it kept coming back, you know, yeah, over
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: fifteen years. And nobody wore their armor. That's why they
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: wouldn't wear their armor.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment. We're back.
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  Speaker 5: All right, good. I think this is a new thing.
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  Speaker 5: I think we should rotate and I think fans our
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  Speaker 5: listeners should vote who they think does it the best.
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  Speaker 5: Everything's a competition.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at it, so you can let somebody
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  Speaker 1: else that's.
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: Her competition, and you have to you have to read.
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: That was my first time reading those paragraphs, right, so
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: you can't. I can't read first right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: My reading of that is my reading of the free
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: agents at the beginning.
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: Does that qualify?
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: That's part of the show.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: You did a good job, though you did.
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: You did a good job of getting everybody. I would
• 57:19
  Speaker 8: have probably broken it up into different categories like sign off,
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: sign okay, he signed players, and then you know, I
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: think the loss.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: So I have my off season tracker. That is a
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: spreadsheet Google spreadsheet, so is mine, and I here it
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: is if you want to zoom in on that. I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: have resigned h there you go. I just I have
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to copy and paste to things, so this makes it easier.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Re signed. But one of the new, the new fangled
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: texture tweeters.
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: That a spreadsheet on a cell phone screen is.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: They feel the need to tweet out all the moves.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: This is easy, I do this all.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: Should at least get an iPad or something.
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: Oh else, you rock the iPad. She's like writing and
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: drawing level. Yeah, she draws like little little doodles on
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: her thing, and there's like, you know, it's all listed
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: what she has to do.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: But then there's like a flower on the side.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Every time they make a move.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: Evan updated. Evan updates the tweet with all the moves.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's correct. That that seems to be a go
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: to tweet oh style.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: Right, And then you think of a little everybody.
• 58:30
  Speaker 8: That I don't follow that somehow gets in myde I
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: think Patriot's offseason thus far. Yeah, boom boom boom, boom
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: boom boom, And it just adds the one that they
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: just did.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Like no, I do it at the end of the day,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, last night, everybody else does too at
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: ten pm, because that's seems to be the hour that
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: they decided to make these moves. There's no wake up call.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Last night, there was no call, so I do it
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: last night. I think I did it around nine thirty
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: ten PM. I was like, all right here it is
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: after day three. But uh, now that with the extra
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: character limit, I used to have to squeeze it all
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: in and now I could just blest it all out.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Watch an ever it circle Everett Circle.
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: I got to admit the time change last weekend, coupled
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: with I'm a little bit like I'm still less a
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: couple of days.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Time change took you by Yeah.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: I mean I like, you know how you're watching phone
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: do it automatically now? Like I got off feeling and
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: I didn't really think about it. I got in my
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: car and that one you have to do manually, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I'm like.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: What time is it?
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: I haven't switched my car clock for like probably four
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: periods of daylight now.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Because you don't know how, you just don't care.
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: I just don't got to do a car play to
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: my phone in the real time comes up, but time
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: manual Toyota screen.
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: I have like an old school digital big surprise, an
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: old school digital clock.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: You do anything but old school that you still set
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: your alarm every morning. It's a newer one, but like,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: do you slide it? How do you set the alarm?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: It's because I'm I don't have to set on.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Top of he gets up when the cock crows, right.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry crow anyway I do. I will say one thing.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: I do not like to have my phone in the bedroom.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: I don't my phone.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: It's very good for you charges.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: I don't because if you do one healthy thing, it's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: that way.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: You don't like to have your phone in the bedroom.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: It's not good for you, not because of the bedroom.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Like when I go to sleep.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: My phone is in another room, trying to keep the match.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: I don't stay up at night's scrolling through the phone.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: It's not good for charge throne next to my bad Yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: I charge my phone in the other room, Like I just.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: Do you have a landline at your house?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: I do, but it's not you.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: So somebody calls you at night like it's an emergency.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Then I would get up and get the phone. It's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on loud, get it all the way up, put.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: It next to your bed.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: Do your kids still live in the home? Yeah, so
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: who's really calling you late night?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: For the North andover police department, the m.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I A A. You know, these are all very possible.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Probably like to come down pull out here, officials. I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: just I don't you know.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: Once I get to like nine thirty ten o'clock, I'm
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: usually off my phone for the night, and I don't
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: like to have no it's it's.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: It's really good looking about that light before bed. It
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: messes with your sarcadian rhythm.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say something. It's not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: great to let me get into the Wi fi.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 8: It's not necessarily because of my well obviously not because
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: of my well being.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't take your health.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: And I watched I watched TV, so it's not like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: oh I need to wind it down. I just my
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: phone's not in the so my clock A lot of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: people have their phone as their clock, right, So I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 8: do have an old school clock, you know, digital clock
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: that's right next to my bed, just for time.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: But this is the this is the bizarre part.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: So somehow I insist that it's in the phones only
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: the clock's only like two years old, so somehow it's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: not right. It's not synced up with all the other
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: clocks in the house. So Beth's she also has a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: clock radio on her knees. Okay, how long we go
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: in here?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: So somehow there was a twenty two minute difference, a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: twenty four minutes, twenty something minute difference between my clock.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: Was fast and hers was the right by twenty two
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 8: minutes and twenty something minutes. And I swear, Hotel, I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: swear it started off like ten minutes and it just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: keeps getting a bigger gap. So we just did the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 8: clock change. I didn't touch my clock, so it's not
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: like thirty four minutes slow. And I want to see
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: if it catches up, because I think there's something wrong
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 8: with it.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: To your point, like what did you get it on craigslist?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Like where did you get this clock radio?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: Then?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Right, somehow doesn't keep tying? Well, they don't make clock
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: radios like that, And that's that's what I thought you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: should make.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: The term clock radio.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: I got to cut.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: It used to be a Oh.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: It's a digital clock. I don't even know if it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: has a radio.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: I got do you wanted to read?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: I got a good clock radio quick clock radio story.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: I promise it's not boring. Oh I did, but real
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: quick I had the same as well deserved I've had
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: the same one since probably two thousand and eight.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: It's a good one. It's a big one.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: When we lived in our old house, when we first
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: moved to Sharon, the clock would just change randomly, like
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 7: it would just like why is the time? I was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: like the kids, I'm like, are you messing with this
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: or something?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: Never did.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: Finally, as we're getting ready to move out and I
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: still have this clock change and as we moved to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: the different house, it's never changed again. I found out
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: that like one of the women who owned the house
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: actually had died in the room that we were and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: so this clock radio when we were there, which which
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: was late for meeting, would randomly change times.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: I still have it.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: It's never changed times anymore unless my kids were like
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: constantly messing with me. That's my closest thing to closest.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: You guys still have clocks, just a big clock so
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you look over do you just use your phone for everything?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: You never you got to wake up and clear it changed.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: You didn't have to go around your house changing any clock.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I changed. I changed my stove, stove, microwave. You don't
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: have any of those things? Yeah I did change. No,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I don't have a microwave. Yeah, they changed microwave, I changed.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: I don't have awave.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know what I do without a microwave.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: One of those.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: But I do not have a in the air fire
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: and even then I only use my air fairly we have.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: From the microwave came with the apartment, all right.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: We had a little trivia.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: That's how you know they've done nothing in free agency.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: That's how you know is the best signe?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: Okay. First question is what four movies did Tom Brady
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: appear in?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Tedai?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, good one.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: He was in another fairly Brothers movie too, where he's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: like a redneck kind of like.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: It has to be a movie, rightage doesn't count was
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 9: a movie?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in the Entrage movie.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was in the movie.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: It's like shallow three okay, shallow House one more.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't a shallow there stuck on.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: You wag, isn't it problem? It's Matt David Matt.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 7: Matt Damon and I did not know that.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: Brad Chris from Duxbury got that. One. Second question, what
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: Division one college did Dion branch attend Louisville? Yeah, that's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: William got that one and how many touchdowns did Chad
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: Ocho Cinco have with the Patriots One?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, I remember that one.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Anthony got that one? Okay, that's your trivia. Good stuff.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: A lot of emails, a lot of calls coming in.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: We've been remiss, so let me get to them. Uh,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Scotty is in New York. What's up, Scotty. Scotty doesn't okay.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 14: I was just wondering, now if asking you guys just
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 14: we will.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: I'm not as up in arms.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 14: With the Patriots off season as everyone else, but I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 14: feel like it does maybe change what we're gonna do
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 14: with three overall. With well, with the lack of talent
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 14: we actually have in the three important needs on offense
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 14: that we could actually use top one hundred picks on,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 14: I think it would make sense to move back and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 14: whatever need do you put the team in, whether it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: quarterback first, or offensive line or receiver or whatever. We
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 14: we just need more shots at actually hitting on those picks,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 14: and I don't think we can currently do that with.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 15: The amount of AMMO we currently have.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 14: I was just wondering what you guys thought about that,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 14: all right?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, I I Scotty I think, and it's I mean,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: is anybody willing to just roll through the year with
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: Jacoby Brissett and yet get a Joe Ault and one
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 7: of the top five receivers in this class? Like, is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: that not possible?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: What if you throw a fifth round pick to the
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Bears for Justin Fields on draft weekend and instead of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: us having to watch Dakobe Rerissette no offense for seventeen games,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: sure then that would trade back? Yeah, I just I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: think that to you know, Scotty's point is why he
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: said that he's not as up in arms about the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: off season. I think the reason why people are up
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: in arms about the off season is now we have
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: to talk about trading down because they did nothing in
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the off season to fill some of these needs to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: make it ready for the quarterback to just drop Drake
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: may or Jayden Daniels in this offense and hit the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: ground running. So now you've pushed it down the road.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: You know, you've extended this rebuild a little bit longer
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: where you could have maybe done it a little bit fast.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: I'll go back to my timeline that I can't seem
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: to figure out how to sift through and filter. I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: don't see a lot of up in arms about the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: off season the fans. I see a lot of upper
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: arms about that. Did their upper arms about it, but
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 8: with specifically, and I wish Scotty didn't hang up so quickly.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: I think it comes down to what you think about
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: Jaden Daniels or Drake May. That to me is the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: only determining factor. Fred said it earlier. If you don't
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: think he's a franchise guy, then you don't take him.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: And if you don't take him, I think probably the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: best thing to do would be to try to move
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: down and get more picks.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you do.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: Think that one of those two guys is worth being
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 8: a franchise quarterback, then you take them. Like this stuff
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: that they've done to me doesn't change the mentality. The
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 8: only thing that changes the mentality is your opinion of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: Drake May or Jaden Daniels.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: Right, it's really that simple. Let's not make it more
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: complicated than that. Ben in New York says, I'm not
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: that mad about losing out on Ridley after seeing the
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Titans they're paying him until he's thirty four. I was
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: always a bit worried he was. On the other older
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: side and would fit the timetable and would not fit
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: the timetable of our rebuild. But again, I don't worry about.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: Etty three, get rid of him and probably thirty one
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: because it's really a two year, fifty million dollars.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: I know there's been reporting that we're out on free
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: agent players, But what are your thoughts on these names?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: He names five Hollywood Brown, Mike Williams, Josh Reynolds, Mackai Beckton,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: and Andres Pete.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Mike Williams is the only ones that interests me on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: that list.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, me too, And even him, it's you know, isn't
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: he I saw, yeah, he's coming, and then I saw
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: like one of the injury things where it was like
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: sixty percent chance he'll miss a game this year. You know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: they project that kind of stuff. So but I'd be
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: I'd be with it. But again it's it's I just
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: want to have your own guys. You want to get
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: your own receiver, you want to develop them, you want
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: to retain them. You know that's you don't want to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: always have to be go run into other people's stuff.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he's not the long He's a twenty twenty
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: four player. It's just better than in this draft. Once
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: you get through the first wave of the receivers, finding
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: that true X receiver to play on the outside gets difficult.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's really uh key on Coleman, tes Walker, those those
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: two guys, and then like Brandon Rice maybe a little
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: bit later on day two. But I love the the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Z slot guys like the lad mcconkey's, the Ricky Piersoll's,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the Washington guys that are gonna go on day two.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: I think that's a lot deeper in that type of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: skill set. So to me, Mike Williams is just we
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: need somebody to play this spot in the offense. He
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: you know, is it probably a better version of it
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the Devonte Parker. And now we're not forcing a pick
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: in the draft on on an X receiver because we
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: don't have one.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: What do you feel about playing Thorton outside next year?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: I mean just putting him outside at the X, you know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: because they always kind of dick around with him, like
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: coming into the formation and trying to run him through
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 7: traffic and little cross you know, trying to get him.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: A little blue for you a little a little bit,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: Screw around, but you know, just get him to run
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: down the field to run comebacks.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: I mean he's had a tough time getting off physical
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: coverage and like when you line up at the X
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: on the boundary that it's all press man in the league,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys in your told me he's not
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: even gonna be on the team.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: No, I know, but I'm looking at the roster and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: I'm like, there's nobody who can play outside.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: That's why that's why Mike Williams interests me, because otherwise
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you're really forcing yourself to target a specific skill set
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: in the draft. Of that that big, you know, bodied outside.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: You're probably not going to be able to get right
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: unless he's ready to pick him.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: A trading up for Adie Mitchell from thirty four or
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: Kyle from Pembroke. I hate all this time of training
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: down from three. There are three blue chip quarterback prospects
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: this year, which doesn't always happened. QB is the most
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: important position of the game, and if we punt on
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: it this year, there is no telling how long it'll
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: take us to be in that position to draft blue
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: chip prospect. We shouldn't waste this opportunity. We need to
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: take a quarterback this year.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I do agree with a lot of what he said,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: but the fact that they might not be in the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: position guess what, they they'll probably be in the position
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five to take one of these quarterbacks. Guys.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: Part of his mentality was that you have to marry
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: being in position to get one with the ability to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: have one there.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't really love when people try to
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: predict next year's quarterback class a year early, because every
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: single year Jaden Daniels was a third round pick. Daniels
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't one of these rows. Yeah, you know, Baker May
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Williams and May Daniels wasn't. Yeah, you know, all these
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: guys just come out of nowhere, you know. And then
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: also you know guys that are later like Appendix or
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: bon Nicks really held their case this year year to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: be strong top fifty quarterback prospects, and bo Nix at
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Auburn was barely a college quarterback, let alone an NFL quarterback.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: But one thing is certain that these three guys are
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: here this year.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: And so if you think, yeah, the email was right,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: if if that's how the team views it, there's three
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: blue chip quarterbacks.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: You have to take one.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: Yep, Todd writes in he says, what do we think
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: of Matt Castle as a comparison for Drake May? Nearly
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: identical body type six four to two twenty five, arm
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: strength and mobility seems similar. Obviously, May is more highly
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: regarded coming out of college than Castle was in five.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: But if May's first sixteen games, whenever they happen, look
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: like Castle's eight numbers, I consider it a success.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I might not going to be playing with an All
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Star team if all, if all Drake May is is
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Matt Castle, then we are in trouble.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: If Drake May in twenty four plays like Matt Castle
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: did in eight, you'll be building a statue to him
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: with that team if he can be that like he
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: Matt Castle, first of all, was like three years in
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: the league, three or four years in the league. It
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: was a fourth year I think because he was a
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: free agent ended up franchising him and after that eight season,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: so he was a four years in the league, fourth
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: year with an All Star team. Across the board offensively,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: Moss Welker, I mean that team was loaded. They've going
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: sixteen and oh the year before this team isn't that.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: And I don't think that there's much the same. I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 8: don't think that Castle was like a good runner, elusive.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: This guy's a tank.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, anakin from Tatuwine, right, sin He says, I'm not worried.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: Are you worried? We knew how Elliott Wolf operates. The
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: talent doesn't come from outside, it comes from inside in
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: the draft, hoping they double dip a wide receiver in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: the draft and get xavierly Get and Brendan Rice. Maybe
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: also double dip at tackle. Elliot Wolf tried to get
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley, so yeah, maybe obviously he knows that drafting
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: his important, that's probably more important in the in the hierarchy.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: But he just tried to get Calvin Ridley, so he
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: doesn't just try to build.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: It amazes me that this still happens a little bit
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: like we didn't want him anyway. Yeah, no, they wanted him, No,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: they did. I wouldn't have paid him that much. Well,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 8: the Patriots would have, according to reports. According to reports, Yeah.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: They were willing to.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sorry, if you offered him twenty two
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: million a year and he took twenty three, you were
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: willing to do the same thing. Yep, he chose another team.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: Like if it makes you feel better by saying you're
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: you're glad that we didn't get him, then yeah, by
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: all means shoot your best shot.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: To your point, PAULI you said at the top, it's
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: it's it's at least an encouraging sign that they recognize
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: that and that they have to go get that kind
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: of guy and they missed out on it, and it's frustrating.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 7: But you know, I again, like I just I would
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 7: if it was like AJ Brown or somebody that I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: was like, this guy is just all over the place.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 7: I you know, Calvin Ridley's really good player, But like.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: I think that's how Calvin Ridley was thought of before
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 8: his suspension. Yeah, I think the suspension has had a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: lot of people forget about how good he was.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I just as much as I hear the point of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: they did try to pay Calvin Ridley. Calculated spending in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: free agency and building through the draft is what the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Packers do. I mean, the Packers are not going to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: be one of these teams that goes out and hands
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: two hundred million dollars out in free agency. Ever, and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: having you know, his father, Ron Wolfe signed Reggie White,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: which was one of the biggest, you know, early splashes
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: in the history of free agency. People still call it
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the greatest free agent signing in the history of Yeah,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: so it's not that he won't do it ever, but
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: that was like one of like three moves like that
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: in his entire tenure as the Packers GM that you
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: can point, we're just lucky he had. God.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but you look at them was a god. I mean,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 8: let's seriously, you look at the.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: Wonder about in Green Bay, like, do they have the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: ability to spend that much cash over cap because it's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: not an owner.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: It's possible that that's part of it. But last year
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: the Packers, out of their twenty two starters in the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: playoff game that they played against the forty nine Ers,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: one player was not drafted by the Packers and it's
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: an extremely young roster too. Yeah, Green Bay.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: Rodrigo tries to make a point, but I think he's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: forgetting something we were talking about, like, you know, you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: need to have that line ready for the young quarterback.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: He said, did Burrow have a good left tackle when
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: he got drafted? The answer might be no, but he
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: also got hurt right away because of his line.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: No, but and if if we had listen, if the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: quarterback is great, I'm not going to be worried about
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: the offensive line.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: No I'm not. Yeah, but but it's going to be
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a Catch twenty two.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: It does matter, you know, if you have the chance.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 7: Speaking of Witch, I don't know, uh if you saw,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: but it's got we go. You have sponsorship reads now
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: as well, starting next week, so Evan will be in
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: on the sponsor contest.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy about that. But also I have to
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: read them and I'm not good at it, so that'll
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: be what do.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: Catch twenty two will now have sponsorship reads.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Does thank you? Thank for you?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: So Alex Canton, maybe I might allowed to say who
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: the sponsor is.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: That's it's like the same.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: It's not like Jersey Mike, easy to drink.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Easy to enjoy. But like you know how many times
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I Kenny, your sponsor, about getting Jersey Mikes to start
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to sponsor Catch twenty two, I'm like, Kenny, just make
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: it happen.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: You'll work for food right, just bring us are.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Like good food store. I just doing okay. I want
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: a turkey soup. Like everybody else has a car, I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: want a car who else has a car. I'll out
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: for the context, guys.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: If we if we spin off Pep in the deuce,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: we can get a contact sponsorship and we'll both be like,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: you know, we go on Google ID and they'll.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: Take Awake in wenty brought to you by what is Pep?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: And the deuice is going to be brought to you.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: Oh well take your pick, Colasslas.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: Coffee Company. Duncan would work.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: Duncan would work because you know you have your coffee
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 7: and then the Pep in the deuce wake up in
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: the morning with what goes best with peepe thedw's a coffee?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: This show stinks.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: We're coming every morning.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: Eight Christians in LA. What's up Christian?
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Hey you guys, Happy Thursday to you.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah and yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: The draft is coming. So this season of hopefulness is
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: upon us. So I have a totally irrational take at
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: irrational take my totally irrational take exist and follow my
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: thinking at the end here.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 12: So we start off.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: With Marvin Harris in the first round. Second round, we
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: take another one of these top flight wide receivers the
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: third round, and this regus kind of crazy. I think
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: we may be able to get a bow Knicks or
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: someone like that, or if we can't get bow Nicks,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: we take another offensive weapons and then instead of taking
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: a fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh mid round players like
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: we always do, pack and we get a fourth round
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: tackle body throw it in there. Go aggressively after Mike Williams.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: And now we're in a position where we're one quarter
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: back away going into free agency next year.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: You got six.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: Receiver thirteen wide receivers can only pay five skill position
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: players at a time.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, when you filled you filled one of the ten holes.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: You filled the hole a wide receiver.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: We have running back, we have tight end. Now we
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: have legitimate generational wide receivers.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: So we have a tight end. Barrel Brown's gone because
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Sickie's gone.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: We have Austin Hooper. Okay, all right, but we don't
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: have an offensive line and we don't have a quarterback.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 12: NFL tight end.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to go with those guys to put together
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: a fully stacked wide receiver.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 12: Coore a great, great.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: Running I want to ask a question, tight end, if
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 8: we if we have a tight end, why is that
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: tight end going to be part.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Of the future?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: At age twenty nine? But Calvin Ridley at age twenty
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: nine would not be part of the future if they
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: had traded for.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Him, because tight ends are valued differently than than wide receivers,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: and they get different money and their usage.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, I didn't ask you about what I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: didn't ask about what they were making.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: I was told it was dumb to.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 8: Try to get a twenty nine year old wide receiver
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: because he will not be part of your team when
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: you get good. Why is having a tight end at
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: age twenty nine going to be part of your team
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: when you get good. I'm not talking about their contract.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, Well you put together a package of players
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: that you're now one quarterback away getting out.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: Well, your package of players doesn't leave you a quarterback away.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: It leaves you a lot of things away.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Mike Wait, Marvin Harrison, Mike Williams, whoever? We get at
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: a high second round receiver.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: So what if Mike Williams can't play? What if Mike
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 8: Williams plays five games like he does for the Chargers
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: every year?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then we have that high second second round.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: Okay, So you don't have an offensive line, who is
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: you don't have a ball back.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: There's only one quarterback away.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: You don't have an offensive line or a quarterback art
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 8: who and you have a high a high a high
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: wide receivers, and in two years you won't have any
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: tight ends either, because I'm told when you get to
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: be twenty nine, you can't be part of the future.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I've been told.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: I like, you know, wide receiver university, just bring them
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: all in.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: I love the double dip idea wide receiver.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: But that's the only one who likes that is Eldrid
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: All wide receivers all the time.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I like double dipping at wide receiver, like if you
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: if you draft a receiver in the second round and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: the fourth round, I'm all for that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: Stevie in Sexist writes in I also talk about the algorithm.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: I also get these random Twitter fan pages that pop.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Up on my feed.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: My favorite ones are the ones who listened to PU and.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: The other guys that cover the Patriots. Those are fans.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: My favorite ones are the ones who listen to PU
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: and catch twenty two and then start tweeting your guys
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: takes like it's some magical idea that they came up with.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: Savage Sports and Patriot red Zone. This is for you,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: you frauds now go tweet that take.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Wow, I love that email because that I do. I'm
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: not saying that they're sealing just my takes. They do
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: that all the time where it's like, oh, I'll you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: oh I you know, Mike Williams might be actually a
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: good idea, like at like ten fifteen after I gave
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that you catch twenty two.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 7: If you're gonna be a thought leader, you just have
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 7: to accept it.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Trailblazers.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 16: Uh.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: Fred wright's Ford writs in from Savannah, Georgia, old man, Paul,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: get off my feed. This one is producing the kids.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: I was surprised to learn that you were reality TV
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: junkies as well. In the frame of The Bachelor, it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: seems like Mac and Zappi were on a two on
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: one and Mac didn't get the rose. And every time
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: someone goes on a two on one, they never end
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: up as the winner, even if they survived that date.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: That's how I view Zappy. Now can I walk you out?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great analogy. I'm not a big Bachelor
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: person though they have two on one. Yeah, I understand
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: where he it's.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 7: Not what you two people enter they got, not what
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 7: you got on vacation in Mexico. No, I think I'm
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 7: on record saying I I I will watch the Bachelor
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: because I like watching just a bunch of crazy girls,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 7: like but like a bunch of dumb dudes on the Bachelorette.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: That's not as interest me just as dumb dudes.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: I think crazy girls are a lot more entertaining and
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: fun to watch them.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I don't. We don't watch.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: I don't want to get looped in.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I don't watch that much.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: Really, I don't watch.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I watch a lot of that crap. I don't
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: really get into that.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 9: I used to get kicked out of my my senior year,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 9: I lived in an apartment with some of my friends.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 9: They used to kick me out on Monday nights because
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 9: they would watch. They would all watch together and I
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: would sit there and roast Point for everything.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Go Fran But that's but that's the point of watching
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: it at point, like you watch it to roast the
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: people that are off the show. I don't watch it. Seriously.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: My brain cells were just so.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: You need to you need to leave. I mean that's
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: what we did, just spend the whole time just being
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: like what a dummy, like it's not.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: Just kick you out of the house, like no, because.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: She roasts them.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: With me, I generally will try to start, you know,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 8: like trying to be like you know, she's watches a
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: lot of crappy sports, you know, with me, try to
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: in fifteen minutes, and I'm like thinking, all of that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 8: stuff is in my head.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 9: But you get hooked.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 8: If I start doing that, she's going to get annoyed.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: So I just go, okay, yeah, I'll watch.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 7: We just we just watched that Poor Things movie.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 6: Did you see that one?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Poor Things? I know that was big on the.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the Oscars.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: Lane put it on quite the quite the tour de
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 7: Force from Emma what's her face stone Stone? Yeah, I
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: was surprised.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 6: Well, someone told me there was a lot of nudity
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 6: in and then there's a lot of news.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Is that why you watched it, Mike.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: No, Lane was watching and I was just kind of
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: writing up free agency things.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Isn't she supposed to be a dead person though, you know.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 7: It's kind of Frankenstein. They take like, you know, she
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: dies and then they put a baby brain in her head,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 7: and then she's kind of baby and she's got an
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: innocent view of the world.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: But it's all it's very style. Yeah, it was. It was.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: It was a really interesting I mean, I don't know
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: it was visually interesting.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: I know it was fine.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: It was visually interesting, dude, because you're not paying attention
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: at the beginning.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of fish eye lenses and just you know,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: but production designed very interesting, mister Hollywood cinemato.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: It's like how Bill Belichick watches football. You just you can't,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you know, you can't just watch it to have fun,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: can you do?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: Honestly, No, that's a bigger problem.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Like the whole life, like it's.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 8: You know, one one camera sit like I could not
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: tell you all those differences, and I know, like for you,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: as someone who was sort of part of that world,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 8: all of those little intricacies I'm sure are fascinating to you.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: It's it's harder for me with song writing because as
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: like you read a lot of screenwriting books, you take
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: screen in classes, and then you just see structure in
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: movies and you can't really watch them because you're like
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: there's page seventy five, you know, you just kind of
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 7: see the structure points going by that that's kind of sucks.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I can't watch movies anyways.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: Tom and England writes in the Talk of Elliott Wolf
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: auditioning for the GM position or the team looking to
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: hire someone else after the offseason seems ridiculous. Surely, any
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: judgment of how well the team is operated in the
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: draft slash free agency has to wait until the players
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: hit the field and start performing in games. The whole
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: coaching slash front off of staff should be given a
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: real shot at doing things their way rather than looking
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: for the quickest way to make fans that ownership happy
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: in the short term.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: I agree with that because it feels like if they
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: were to, you know, get rid of one of these
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: guys after free agency or the draft, it would just
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: feel like almost the fans of how they're reacting to
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: what they think, and you know, we don't really know
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 7: who they might be.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: It's not unprecedented stuff. It's not unprecedented for a personnel
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: guy to handle the draft and then them clean house
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: and start over in May. The Bills did it not
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: too long ago, so it's not when they hire Brandon Bean.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: So it's not totally unprecedented. You know, you did so
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: much homework in the fall on the draft that to
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: throw everybody out and then start over in January. You're
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: starting way behind the eight ball. So a lot of
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: times they just let them finish it out and they
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: do hire somebody at that point.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: It's it always seems weird though, because you would all
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: you would think that the people that exist in the
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: front office kind of have an inkling that this is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: it for us, and like, so what's their investment on
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: doing a good job for the organized.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Next job another job?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean nail the draft
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: by like if you you know, you're professional, you do
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: a good job and they end up having a good draft.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: I guess like Chris, Chris Greer was involved with Bobby
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: at the time when he left, and Chris Greer is
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 8: now in charge of Miami, Like I don't know if
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: that helped him or not, but yeah, I mean.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: I guess it's a small world, yeah, and everybody knows everybody,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: so it's in your best interest to always put your
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: best foot forward.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 8: I guess I think Chris Greer was involved in wasn't
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 8: he Wasn't he around back then on our team?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was I'm not that's how Mikees met him.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not misremembering his career.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: Who's the GM of the Sharks too? Family of gms.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 6: That's pretty rare.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Is he the GM of the Sharks? Huh? Ray Raymond
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Wrights should probably rents not body.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: Would you all be excited if we got Marvin Harrison
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: Junior or Neighbors at one or at three and traded
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: for fields and use that second round pick on a tackle? Also,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: what do you think about Hollywood Brown? What do you
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: fit with us? So so you get you get the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: receiver at three, you take a tackle in the second round,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: and you trade for fields, would you be excited about that?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Sure?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: I mean sure? Yeah? No, I mean Milik Neighbors. I
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: really I'm intrigued by him.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Hollywood Brown guy.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: I'm not either.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: If Rondell Moore to the Falcons for Desmond Rit if
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: they had traded down, yeah, and then they got the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: stockpile of picks for trading down and then took Malik Neighbors, Yeah,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: then I'm with you on that. And then the same
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: exact thing then sure, yes, sticking out and taking the receiver.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 6: No, I'm with you.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: That I do like mylik neighbors.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 8: I like that trade Rondell Moore's we like that guy.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 8: Give another another valuable piece to Kirk Cousins. Desmond are
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: probably not ever going to be the Falcons quarterback, so
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: why not move.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: Them Zane from New Jersey. Can someone please explain to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: me why the Patriots are the only team that needs
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: to build everything first before taking the franchise quarterback. The
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: Giants of rumored to trade up with us for a quarterback,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: but they also have no wide receivers in o line
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: that gave up ninety sacks last year, no running backs
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: in a tight end that is mulling retirement. So it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: makes sense for the Giants to trade up and draft
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: a franchise quarterback with that mess, but not for the
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: Patriots to draft a franchise quarterback. I don't get the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: logic with trading back with the Giants.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: Well, I think the logic is just that they don't
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 7: have like the argument is is that the Patriots have
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: like below the line of acceptable surrounding talent and protection
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: for that quarterback. It doesn't necessarily all need to be
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: in place and perfect for the next five years.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: That that, you know, But I.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: Think you at least need to feel like we've got
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: a good left tackle. We've got a couple of pieces
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 7: that will help this kid out when when it's pressure,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: they're able to get open off the line quick. You
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 7: know those things, But right now you look at the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: roster that they don't really have those pieces.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I also don't know why we care if the Giants
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: mess it up or not. I say giants unfiltered.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 8: But I think it's this is the same argument that
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: I would make. It's about what you think of Jayden
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: Daniels and Drake may Like. If you think they're worth
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: picking at three, you're gonna pick them. You're not going
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: to trade back. This is the trade back to me.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they're going to just do it
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 8: no matter what. But I think if they like one
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: of those quarterbacks, they're not trading back.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, I agree.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: I'm with you and the Giants. Yeah, they very The
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: guy's right, the Giants have nothing.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Their receivers are better than he gives them credit for.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: But for the most part he was right.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: To Tarrrian Wright, I'm kind of like the young kid.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 5: T Terrian wants to tell us what's really crazy. Crazy
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: he says. What's crazy is fighting for you, is fighting
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: for you's products at wide receiver like Hopkins last year, now,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: Ridley Higgins, Hollywood Brown. When you got a guy in
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison, JUNI, you're right there for you at three,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: Then get a developmental guy like McCarthy the quarterback from
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: Tennessee or Panics to mold halfway through the season, then
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: play them.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, how do you do both? Well, you can get
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: the date. That's doable.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's doable.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, not McCarthy, I'm listening.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: So you take them with a second round pick.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: What if they're not there? Well, yeah, no, McCarthy won't
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: be there, but but Milton will definitely be there. That's
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: way too for Milton. If you get Joel Milton Tennessee
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: thought okay, yeah, you mentioned Panics, yea at thirty. What
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: if they're not there, then what do you do? Get
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: another guy? Bonix?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 8: Okay, So you're just willing to just say I'm going
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: to plug in anybody at quarterback, any developmental great, got it.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: So you need a quarterback. If you don't take a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 8: quarterback in the top three, you probably need a quarterback, right, do.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: You think they should have just held on J Brown
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 7: like with that, like, why didn't that happens?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like why didn't they somewhere? Do you think you
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: think Frabel is suicidal?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, like we're doing.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: We went out and got DeAndre Hopkins and then followed
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: it up by twenty three million for Calvin Ridley.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: Couldn't just and we couldn't keep AJ Brown silly he
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: was younger and better than better? Yeah, yeah, he's He's
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: younger and better, no doubt.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: Let's get back to the A stick and hutline. Todd's
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: in North Carolina, hate Todd?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: Oh hi, hello, Oh there we go.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 17: Okay, So there's lots of weird beeping going on when
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 17: you guys are dealing with the phone.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: That's that's Paul backing up his takes.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 15: So my question is.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: When I'm wrong Marks, why, Hey, I admitted it about.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 17: Your old partner in crime Andy, and he seems to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 17: feel that they're just not making any spending, et cetera.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 17: But then when I listen to you guys, it sounds
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 17: like it's really hard to get people to come to
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 17: New England because they don't want to be there. They
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 17: get better options with weather and taxes. And stuff elsewhere.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 17: So how important is it to have a Brady like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 17: presence on a team to draw people?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: In?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Course, it's important to win.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, we can go down the list of guys
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: who came at the end of their careers good players
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: because they had a chance to win ring chasing. Yeah,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: Darrell Reeves.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: Darryl Reeves' contract was now contract was anywhere? He was
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: traded here, wasn't he Now here's a freedom so yeah
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: they released him.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you know Corey Dillon and Cory was
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: traded here. Oh he was a trade.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, you're going to ruin my whole thing.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: Right, because the tricky facts sometimes disrupt narrative, like the cash.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: But not those kinds of guys I think.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 17: I think they have been that QB one that's got
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 17: that personality and that winning attitude. So even if we
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 17: have kind of a bad year, people can look at
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 17: the team and go, hey, there's potential there. I look
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 17: at this guy's leader.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: This is going, Rodney Harrison.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: You have to win, just keep going, Rodney Harrison to
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 8: Rodney Harrison's admission didn't have a lot of options. I
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 8: got it, But you have I mean, you have to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: if you win, then all of those things you absolutely
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: will be willing to take less to ring Chase Everyon
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: just talked about it with Tyrone Smith earlier on the show,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 8: like it's not a hard concept. Did Tom Brady's presence
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 8: help you sign people without question?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, I just the spending thing is always going
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: to irk me, Like it's just it's just factually incorrect
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: that they haven't spent any money? Have they? Have they
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: handed out a hundred million dollar contract to one player?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 12: No?
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Have they not spent any money? Also?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know why we say that that they
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: haven't spent any money in free agency. I don't. I
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: don't say that. I know, I'm not you guys. I'm
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: just saying, and you know he's.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 8: I just think this is kind of like the old
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: school payriots thing where we're gonna have a few million
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 8: on a million different guys and think that that's how
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 8: you do it. And it's kind of like the thing
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 8: I always make fun of Mike about you still believe
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 8: in Santa Claus, Like, yeah, that worked when you had
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 8: Tom Brady presidence.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: Just show up?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, who does it?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: And I think that there's one thing that I worry
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: about is I felt last year, listening to Bill every
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: week and then listening occasionally to some quotes out of
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: the locker room, they didn't feel they were a four.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: And thirteen team.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: They felt like, you know, break break here or there,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 8: better quarterback play. This team's really not that far I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 8: disagree with that, And the way they're going about it
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: right now tells me they agreed with Bill.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: They didn't think they were that far away. They think the.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 8: Problem was Bill and mac Jones, and we had to
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 8: get rid of those guys and make sure we keep
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: everybody else.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 8: I know they're not done, and I know this is
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: just the start of the rebuild. But that's what this
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 8: reeks up to me is two thousand and five Patriots rebuilt.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: Well, my only kind of pushback, I totally get what
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 7: you're saying is just that they don't have any players
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: under contracts. So it's like they you know, like I
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: just said, Infony Jennings is the first defensive player to
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: be on the twenty twenty six roster that it wasn't
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: a draft pick last year, So who else are you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: gonna build that team around? You know, like it's impossible
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 7: to go out get new guys, give all these different
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 7: players contracts that are going to last in the future.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: You're you're you're.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: Establishing a little bit more of a core right now.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: And I think if that, if that sticks going forward,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: so that they continue to kind of kick the can down,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: then then that's a problem.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 8: And I'm going to go back to the one thing
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: that's sort of annoyed me because I don't have a
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 8: huge problem with what they've done, you know, I really don't.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: I know it probably sounds like I do, but I don't.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: I'm disappointed, like Fred about Ridley, That's that's kind of it.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: But I don't understand the mentality that you can't sign
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: these guys because they won't be part of the future.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 8: They won't be part of the next part. But like
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 8: I can resign all of these guys, why are they
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 8: going to be part of the future. I don't, you know,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: I personally would rather have one or two top level
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: play like if they could have gotten Christian Wilkins, Like
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 8: I'd rather have him than three armand Watts.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: And I get it, I get, you know, rebuild, but
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: you do want to start to build a winning culture.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, at some point you need to, I agree,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: for at some point you have to have some success.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: So like if Calvin Ridley can come in here and
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: win you some games.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: But they they tried to pay, and I give them
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: and that's why I said, I'm actually excited that. But
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: the whole point, right, I agree, And the whole point
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: is to Paul's you know list over there, they're not
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: going to c up. Okay, but that wasn't the reason
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: they didn't signed Calvin Ridley. The armand Watts is of
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: the world wasn't the reason why they didn't sign Calvin
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Ridley Arm Watts.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen them numbers yet, but neither was Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: Where he's gonna die on that hill. And that's fine.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's right, it's not yet. Like you guys just
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: got finished telling me they've spent a lot of money.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: I agree, just not well no, but but that's the difference.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: They have spent a lot of money. But I think
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: where they draw their line is Mike Dussau is asking
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: for way too much and we're just not gonna do that.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: We have our principles. Now you want to if you
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: want to quit, fine, if you want to equate that
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: to the old Bruins.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 8: No, I'm equating it to the old Patriots. Harry Sindona Belichick.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: He was like, let the rest of the league overpay
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: on guys.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take this guy to arbitration and this is
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: the cost of business in two days NFL. Yeah, I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: don't think Calvin Ridley was overpaid yesterday.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: No, And I think there's overpaying, and then I think
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: there's grossly overpaying. And I think going over twenty three,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: which is what they probably would have had to do,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: they probably said we just can't do that. We can't do.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 8: That, right, And I'm with you with your original thought
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 8: on this. I'm disappointed by that. Yeah, because I think
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 8: at some point, and it doesn't have to be Calvin Ridley,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 8: Like that's where I think.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: People lose it, like, well, I don't like Ridley.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 8: He can't do this, he can't do that. It doesn't
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 8: have to be Ridley. It could have been danil Hunter
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 8: on the edge, like it could have been Christian Wilkins,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: who Evan talked about on our little free agent preview
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 8: that we didn't call it little, it was, Yeah.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Well it was.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 8: It was frenzy, that it could be a lot of
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 8: different guys understanding that Christian Wilkins is probably not going
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 8: to be a Super Bowl winner with the Patriots, just
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: like he's not going to be with the Raiders. But
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: I think, to Fred's point, you bring in better players
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 8: so you can get better, and then you get a
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 8: culture of SI sess and then you start to have
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: fewer holes to fill. Then it's not so hard to
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: worry about taxes to get a guy to sign with
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 8: your team because instead of four and thirteen, you're seven
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: and ten or eight and nine, and you're not that
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: far away. And then god forbid, you draft a quarterback
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 8: at three who looks a little more like CJ. Stroud,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: then Mac Jones, then you got something.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: There's there's absolutely no doubt that I think that they
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: had a tough time getting people to take the bag
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to throw at them because of
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: the situation. I think that's accurate.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 8: There's no doubt I worry about that because there's not
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 8: a lot you can do about that.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: What happened last year with Hopkins, he was here.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Well, according to Tom Kerr, and Bill didn't want Hopkins.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: Bill didn't want him. I thought they were.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Buds that that's what he said on the radio somewhere yesterday.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: That's because of it, because of his parent has.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 8: Been on a shooting spree. I love Tom, but he
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: has been killing Bill lately.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 7: I don't know where this is going to go, but
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: just generally, how do you think this offseason would have
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: looked if if Bill hadn't left, I mean compared to
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: what we saw over the first couple of days.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: Well, there would have been a reckoning and so that
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: Robert Kraft and Bill would have had to sat down
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: and there would have been a new start.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: I think I think it would have been very similar
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I think it would have been very
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: similar to this. But instead of them trying to pay
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley twenty three million dollars done that, they would
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: have paid Josh Reynolds like ten or so, you know,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: something like that, Like the jujus.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: In the industrial complex would have told us how how
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 8: much better Josh Reynolds was than Calvin Ridley?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: Right, he would that's what Or they would have given
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: maybe gave Davis that that gave three for thirty nine
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: contract but whatever.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: But is Shaq Mason, like I know everybody said Bill
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: had never done it? He just did it. He did
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: it with Shaq Mason. He then he franchised Joe Toney,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 8: and people like me said, how can you invest that
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 8: much money in guards? It's not that much of a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 8: premier position. I criticized Bill for it. That's why I
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 8: remember he did it. Everybody's telling me now, Bill never
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: would have given Michael when you this deal.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: It's a little difficut. I think you would have because
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Shaq was signed in training camp and not on the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: like Mike on Winny was on the open market, so
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: he had a bidding war for his services, whereas Shaq Mason.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: They actually got it done early, I know, but it
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: was a big money extend. It was. It was. It's
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: it's mostly comparable, but.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 8: At the time, not for him. At the time it
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 8: was a big money deal. Today he didn't get nineteen
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 8: million like when you did. But it's inflation.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: James Sanders, it's just too this is cracka.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: How come he's the only one allowed to talk over everybody.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 5: I'm glad somebody appreciates that.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Oh I appreciated it.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 12: Hey tomorrow?
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 8: All right, Well, did you hear the guy that wanted
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: to draft eleven wide receivers.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Did you catch that guy?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 12: Limb. I just want to, I just want too.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 16: But Evan, yes, sir, me and you we got to
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 16: have a couple of call together one day and have
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 16: a long three hour day, maybe four.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: I'm taking. I have to rearrange my I'm out.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 16: Yeah, we gotta, we gotta have a long discussion.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 12: Understand what you're saying.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 16: But my question is there, why not get to wie
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 16: receiver at three if your if your quarterback is not there,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 16: and then at two could have get get pinnicked and
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 16: you keep knocking knocking down Pinnic, you know, like that
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 16: one bad game and in the championship and everything.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 12: That he can't move.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 16: He can move, but he can't run like Daniel.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 12: He can't run like Drake. He can't run like William.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 12: But he can move.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 16: But one thing I said about him, he's more actively
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 16: in than three put together.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, from a clean pocket, and.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 16: He does and he does surveyed field and he does
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 16: read a little bit better. I know that's college pros
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 16: to be a little bit different.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 12: Understand that.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 16: But like I said, you know, if we get made
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 16: I still got my bit for nine games, you'd be like,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 16: what we're gonna give him back at ten? Because what
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 16: the mother guy's telling you is what we thought for
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 16: three years and he had and I can get You
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 16: can name seven games last year and six game last
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 16: year before that that he just you know wasn't there.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 16: They could have won the game.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 12: But death on that. But I don't see what's wrong.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 16: But I ask y'all one question, one hypothetical.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 12: Kay, would you trade who chased for.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 16: A second to Arizona and then they change trade Strange?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 12: You know, Chase jew done show down?
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Excuse me for who for a second?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: Second?
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 16: Yes, second, because because Arizona want these are these are Russian?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 12: Sure did a Russian? Okay? And then try to get
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 12: rid of Strange for three.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: He's not perfect.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get a three Strange. You just
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: got a six for Mac Jones a bag of footballs.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: You might get a second for a team that's close.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: People people viewed Strange in the draft as a fifth
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: round pick. He's done nothing to say that that was wrong, though.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: But I like the idea of picking up that second
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: because now you can try to fill another need. But
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: I think Judnut is also a good player, so I'm
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: worried about the pass rush.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 8: He is a good player, and you do have to
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 8: have some good players. But if someone wanted to give
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 8: me a high second round pick, yeah I have to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: like that.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 6: Flip that for.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 18: For it.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: Edgar is in Australia.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: Edgar? Edgar?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Edgar Edgar tack wide receiver in the top Darius in Maryland?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: Darius?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 12: It was going on?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 18: Hey, yes, I had two questions, right, Yeah, everybody seems
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 18: to be on you know, draft provacly behind round two whatever.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 18: But Ellie Wolf and the package organization obviously was in
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 18: the draft suck. But Davonte Amazon Cup, it.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: Was a pretty two, pretty two.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 8: What about Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson and Jordy Nelson.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 8: They drafted them all.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: They literally drafted all their receivers going back to rond
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Wolf like thirty years ago.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: Dad, what's the Packers' it's the grating.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: It's just the packers. Those are those are good draft picks,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: like they were all in. They weren't really like they're
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 8: not top ten picks. They're like Day two packs.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't. They don't draft first round receivers, they
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: draft them on day two. Yeah, and Jordy Nelson was
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: a good player. Wolf was probably there then, right.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 5: I mean there was a few years where they were
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: saying they're not giving Aaron Rodgers enough guys.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Oh I think that's a valid argument.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's okay.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Like I would argue that they
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 8: did what the Patriots did.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: They got the weapons after the guy left, right.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 18: And then the second question would be if Caleb Williams
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 18: is you know what we think he.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: Might be, Well, you're gonna have to give up a lot. Yeah,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: you're gonna have to give up. Yeah.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: They just don't have a lot of Yeah, they don't
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: have a lot of assets to.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 18: Point nine and you know, yeah, you.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: Probably have to give up this year's first, next year's first,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: well maybe three first.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: You're switching from three to one. Yeah, but it's for
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: it's for a guy that So what would you have
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: to give up to go from three to one for
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: I'd say at least two first rounds in a second.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably at least. And I don't think they have no, No,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, but I get your point.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: Darius if you think he's that good, then that's worth
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: it to first in a in A I.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Don't know about that.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 8: I like Caleb william I do not consider it like
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: Andrew luck like one of these generational kind of guys.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: I don't look at him that way. I think he's
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: he's close. But it's just then you're just gonna have
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Like, what are you gonna do if you
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: traded your entire draft hall for the next three years
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: to get them, then where where does that leave you?
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: Well, you could get Like the other thing to think
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: about is the business side of it. Because you draft
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams and Kleenex becomes your sponsor.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that someone would not pick him
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: because of that. No, no, it's not. It's and it's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: a real thing. I don't I don't think that that's
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: it's a real thing. I think it's a real thing
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: among pundits. It's not just that I don't think it's
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: a real You didn't hear any of that at the
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: combine that, Oh god, they don't hear everybody. Everybody's the
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: greatest prospect of all. No, no, no, I just mean
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: like from teams like you don't hear like, oh, you
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: know that this guy's untouchable because he cried to his mind.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 8: Wolf specifically said he's tough. The top the top three guys.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: We're talking about the quarterbacks in this class, specific Ticuly,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 8: the top three guys are.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: Tough and Cale Williams. I mean he has he comports himself.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: Well he does, you know, nice of you to say, friend,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: he does.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Clint from Ottawa, who's listening from Mexico, says, where would
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: Daniels have been drafted if he didn't win the Heisman?
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: Is he being a bit overdrafted.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: If he had the same year and didn't win the Heisman? Yeah?
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I think in the top three.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: I do too. I still think he'd be up there
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: the Heisman. You know, that's not the end all be all.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 8: It's having a Heisman Trophy season. It's not right like
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 8: necessarily winning.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: The Heisman's track record has gotten a lot better in
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: recent years in terms of NFL player translating like you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: won the Heisman really starting with Lamar.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: But I think the better question is what where would
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 7: have been drafted if he didn't play, Like if he
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 7: just came out after his junior year.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably a Day two pick. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: I think he I haven't said earlier. He exploded Yeah
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: this year. It's a it's a good question and like
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: something Rice Young went from winning the Heisman to not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: winning the Heisman and was the first overall. Well that's
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: what Caleb's gonna do, you know. Yeah, it's It's a
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: good conversation though with with guys you're talking about it earlier.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Just he transfers from Arizona State. It took him a year,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: but then he's with Malik Neighbors, he's with Brian Thomas Junior,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he wins the Heisman
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Trophy and now he's a top three pick in the draft.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: And at some point it's hard to extrapolate who's responsible
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: for what? You know, is it the receivers?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 17: Is it?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Is it Daniels?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 6: Is it both?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: And that's gonna be a tricky part as we move
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: forward in the an i l e. Where all these
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: guys can just transfer every single year and they're they're
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be like AU or they're just gonna
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: start forming these super teams at these schools, and so
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: then it's like, all right, well, now he's you know,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: Panics Daniels, Like they're all throwing to like these star
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: receivers all over the place. You know, Quinnie Ers in Texas, Like,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: how do you evalue Wait, it's Mac Jones at Alabama
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: but with everybody, so like, how do you kind of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: go ahead and and figure out who's actually responsible for
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: it all?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: Yep, lots of emails, but I'm gonna take a phone call.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: James is in Houston. What's up, James?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 15: How are y'all doing today? I'm kind of playoff what
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 15: he just said, to be honest with y'all. See, in college,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 15: I see a lot of like, let's say, Jade and Daniels.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 15: Perhaps he had the best receiver room in college last
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 15: year by far. So it's hard to judge how he's
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 15: going to go in the NFL. But I think the
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 15: way to go would be the drafted quarterback that went
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 15: with the most competition this year and Jayde and Daniels
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 15: being in the SEC is the move to me?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 15: I really really think that we should have got to
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 15: receive a free agency because this receiver drive stop it sacked.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 15: I'm not gonna lie, but it helped the hide instead.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: Of just one. We all agree, we're getting older. We
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: all agree. Do we agree they should have or get
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver and free agency?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but now I think it's like
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: kind of too late.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you haven't really filled a hole yet, you know,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: or at least started to put dirt in that hole?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Is holding back codys to film.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: I have come to the realization about the evaluation of
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 5: talent and managing expectations. In April of twenty one, the
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: Patriots selected a quarterback fifteenth overall. I vividly remember how
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: excited I was at the time, simply because we had
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: taken a quarterback. Deuce was bubbling with excitement following the pick,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: as was I. Paul Parrilla was I quote, ridiculously bumm
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: because we don't have a quarterback. He said that within
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: ninety seconds of the selection. I thought he was just
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: being grumpy due to the low pepsi DIETPEPSI levels. But
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: I have come to realize that when in doubt, listen
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: to Perillo. Paul always likes to say, don't tell people
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: what you feel or think. Don't tell people what to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: feel or think. But I have decided I will refrain
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: from excitement or disappointment when we take a quarterback at
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: three until I hear Paul's opinion and Perillo we trust.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 8: I will say up front the amendment to that would
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 8: be I like to hear from people before and I have.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna you know, you guys know me.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 8: I'm a little psychotic. I remember what people think, and
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 8: I know what people think now, and I know this.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Life is just one big grudge.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: This will change.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 8: It's not a grudge because there's a million draft picks
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 8: that I've been one hundred percent wrong about Richard's smour
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 8: being at the top of that list.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: So this is not about me being free years ago. No,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: it's not about me being right, is my point.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 8: My point is I don't change my thoughts once the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 8: guy becomes the team that I want him to become on.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 8: Like Drake May, I've gotten the litany of people calling
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 8: me telling me how bad he is. I want you
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 8: people to tell me how bad he is on May fifteenth,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 8: when he's been a patriot for two weeks. I don't
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 8: think I'll hear from many of you other than Eldred,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 8: who will go down with that ship.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: I respect that.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 8: And then if he's good, elgib will also call in
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: and say I was wrong. He's much better than I
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: thought he was. But a lot of people want no
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: part of Drake May today. That will change if they
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 8: picked Drake May. I will guarantee it.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it myself. That you know, especially early
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: on when I first started covering the team, it's Bill
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Belichick making the pick. So when they drafted Nick kill Harry,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't really like Nick kill Harry coming into the draft,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: but Bill liked them, so I was like, all right,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe they see something that I don't enough,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: and then you know that ends up going the wrong way.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange is the only one that I've stuck by
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: my guns. He took the question out of my mouth. Yeah,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: because that's the only one and I have done that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: Oh he's terrible. He's just not worth what they picked him.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 8: A well, I don't He'd be fine as a fifth
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: round pick, but I like Nikhil Harry's one.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the Nikhil Harry.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 8: Pick when they made it, and I kind of got
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: evand I was like, Bill doesn't take wide receivers in
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 8: the first round. I talked myself into it because if
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: Bill was high on him, it was like, yeah, so
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 8: I'm not telling you I've never been guilty of that too.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: But when you don't like anything, Paul's.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: No, but I've been wrong about more guys than I
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: liked that turned out to be like Vernon Colston for
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 8: the Jets, Remember him. I thought this guy was going
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: to be great, he wasn't. Like, there's more guys that
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: I think are going to be good that turn out
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 8: to be not so good. Then the other way around.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: It's definitely true.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: All right, that's going to be it for this edition
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: of Patriots Unfiltered. Thanks for listening this week to everything
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: that we do. Draft podcast Cast twenty two Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: The Dynasty tonight. Reminder that are we dropping ours tonight
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  Speaker 5: or tomorrow? So tomorrow you can watch our wrap up
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: of episodes nine and ten.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, we didn't get you in this one,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: and then a song.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that once we do that, we
• 1:56:26
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• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: we sat down for a lengthy interview with Matt Hammacheck,
• 1:56:32
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• 1:56:35
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