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Guest Hypnotist - Rob De Groof on Qigong Hypnosis and The Art of Simple Hypnosis · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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Hypnotist, I'm joined by a guest hypnotist, so it's not going to
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be me doing any hypnotherapy today.
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I'm joined by Rob Degrooof, who is the owner of the European
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Hypnosis Academy. Rob, welcome to the show.
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Thank you for having me. Great to have you here.
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I'm always fascinated as to how people get into the world of
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hypnosis because sometimes it's like struggling with an issue,
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finding hypnosis help for them. Sometimes it's being inspired by
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someone. How was it for you?
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How did you get into this wonderful world we call
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hypnosis? It was a bit, it was a bit
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different part. I see that a lot of the part of
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I had an issue that I went to a therapist and then I start
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getting into interested myself that that's a lot of my a lot of
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my students in Belgium are following that.
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But for me it was actually totally different.
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I had no intention to become a hypnotherapist.
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I was in entertainment for for many, many years and I was not
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getting tired of being an entertainer, but I was getting
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tired of performing mainly for children.
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So 80% of the time my audience were children or a combination
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of children and adults. And I was because we did.
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I had my own clown shower, I had a magic shower.
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I did still walking, fire spitting, all these things I
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had. I had a quite big company in
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entertainment, so I had freelance artists working for
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me. And I wanted to add something to
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my repertoire more for, for for adults.
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But I Can't Sing so, so I am a bit limited in the things that I
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can do or, or, or create a full shot and then you need an extra
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magician or something. I can play a bit of guitar, but
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not enough to do a professional show.
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So I was looking for something, a skill that I could add to my,
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I was already doing some mentalism, but I want, I want to
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add something. And I had this little seat that
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was planted in my brain already from, from a demonstration that
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I saw when I was like 1516 years old with a girl.
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It was actually a guy explaining hypnosis and then doing a
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demonstration with somebody. And that was a bit stuck in my
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mind. And I was like, maybe I can do
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something like that. And then I start looking around
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for training is in Belgium, couldn't find anything that
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appealed to me. It was all or more therapy
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based. Of course.
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Then I started wandering a bit online and things like that and
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I couldn't find anything at that time.
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I'm talking about 15 years ago now.
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And then I, as it was meant to be, I got an e-mail from a magic
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shop in the Netherlands where I was a client about a lecture on
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Tuesday evening, midweek thing about hypnosis, about
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entertainment hypnosis. I said, OK, let's drive there.
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I took like four or five of my freelance artists with me and we
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drove to the Netherlands to, to attend that lecture.
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And at that lecture, it wasn't, it was actually a Mexican guy
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who lived in in the Netherlands and had done some things on, on
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the television, on the, on the Dutch television.
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And so he gave an explanation about hypnosis.
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And I also met a few other people who were also Belgian
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guys who were already involved in hypnosis and hypnotherapy in
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Belgium and the Netherlands. And they explain all we have
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this meet up. It was before all these online
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things and chat groups. We have this meet up group and
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every once in a while, at least once a month, we meet somewhere
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in the Netherlands or in Belgium to just talk about hypnosis.
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I will invite you said OK And I start going to those those
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things as well. And then I was alright.
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I found some some DVD's and some books.
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So I start reading and I'm watching some DVD's about
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entertainment hypnosis. I had a chat with the Mexican
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guy and he said I can, I can be your mentor and guide you until
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you have a good hypnosis show. So and then after a few weeks,
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one of those guys from the meet up group, he called me and he
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said, hey Rob, I found these DVDs from an American hypnotist
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called Jeffrey Stevens and that's something for you.
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I said, is it street or and or or stage hypnosis?
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He said, no, it's change where it is therapy.
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I said, Eric, I don't want to do therapy.
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I'm not a therapist. Because in my mind, therapy was
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like, people are coming into your office.
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They tell their entire life story, all the troubles and all
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the stories that you don't want to hear.
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And then you will have, you will do a long session with them and
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they have to come back and again.
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And so I was like, no, no, that's not for me.
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I'm an entertainer. Let me entertain people.
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And he said, yeah, but I really want you to to have a look at it
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because this is no nonsense. It noses as short as powerful.
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This is this is made for you. I said, OK, let's have a look.
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So I started watching the training.
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And after like one hour, one hour and a half, I was already
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like, maybe this is something for me.
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And I went to my my staff, my, my, my admin staff and my
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technical guy. At that time.
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I said, hey, guys, I'm just going to keep on watching these
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DVDs. I'm not free for today.
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Hold every phone, phone call, write down all the questions.
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I want to keep watching this, this training.
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So I watched the entire training and then I actually learned that
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you can do change work with a very short, powerful session
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without having all, all the history of the people.
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Just what do you want and what do you, what do you want
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instead? And, and do your thing and, and
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I start thinking maybe I can do like a few clients a week and
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keep busy with hypnosis because one of the things, and I tell it
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to my students all the time, sometimes every single day.
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My especially with the ones who do the seven day training to
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become a hypnotherapist, I always tell them hypnosis, you
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can do as many trainings as you want.
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You can read as many books as you want that listen to
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podcasters as much as you want, whatever.
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But if you don't hypnotize people, you will never become a
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good hypnotist. And, and that's the only way
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that you can can become a good hypnotist, become a confident
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hypnotist or hypnotherapist by hypnotizing people.
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So at that time I was, yeah, I was going out to, to, to pubs.
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So one of the things that we did, we worked especially in the
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weekends and like Sunday evening when when we returned from
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different places where I had my artists located.
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And a lot of them were from from this area, from the same city
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here. So in the evening we joined in a
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bar and then we had a few beers to finish the weekend.
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And then the trick that we already have was because most of
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my artists were a lot younger than me and we go to this this
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bars where you have a lot of young people and then they start
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walking around this Hey, you know, Rob is here is hypnotistic
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and hypnotize you. So I was actually exercising
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every every Saturday or Sunday evening.
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And then video start going around from from me hypnotizing
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people. So the moment I enter a bar, I
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was, I was able to practice hypnosis to to exercise, but I
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was like, OK, I can't keep doing this all the time.
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And because after a while in your small city, everybody knows
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you already and they're like, oh, is there again, again,
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hypnosis show in the bar, maybe not a good idea.
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So I was like, if I make a little website, just like
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hypnotherapy, our scope was it at that time as the name of the
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city that I did. And maybe I can see two or three
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clients a week. And then I keep hypnotizing
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people because in Belgium there are a few things that make it
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difficult to do entertainment dip noses on a regular basis.
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So first of all, we have the law.
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It's actually illegal in Belgium.
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You can't do state ship noses in Belgium.
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Nobody acts on the law, but it's still there.
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So I was, I was hired by city governments to do St. dip noses
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on their annual fares and things like that.
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Nobody cared. But it's actually there in the
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law that we can't do it. But that's not the biggest
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issue. You know, Belgium, we only have
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11 million people and we have 3 languages.
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So we have Dutch, the language that I speak, we have French and
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we have a little bit of German. But so the three, the companies,
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most of the companies, they will have French speakers, they will
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have Dutch speakers that most of them will also have English
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speakers. So where is the money for, for
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entertainment? It's in corporate, but corporate
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in Belgium, the chance that they will hire stateship, not this,
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this much lower than let's say in the United States.
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But then if they hire you and they had they, they are more
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like a national company and not a local 1, but more national
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company or bigger company. They will tell you, OK, we have
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French speakers in the room. We have English, English
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speakers we have. So can you do your chow in three
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languages? No, I can't.
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I did it. I did, I did it for children
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entertainment, but it's, it's for hypnosis.
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It's impossible. You can't say everything twice
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because there's no you will lose all rhythm in your show, you
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will lose the pace. And again, I can speak some
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French, I can do a conversation in French, but I'm not, I can't
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entertain in French. I can't hypnotize in French.
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I can hypnotize in English, but not in French.
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And I once tried it with walking mentalism and I did this.
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It was just hopping from table to table.
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And then they said, OK, we have French speakers.
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We have even German speakers. We have a mixed said, OK, guys,
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I can't do it in French. I can have a conversation in
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French, but I can't entertain in French.
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And they say, OK, let's find a good way.
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We will. So you can do it in Dutch one
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when they're all people sitting at the table or Dutch speakers.
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You can do it in English one, but it's a mixed table, say, OK,
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let's do that. So I did a few tables, one in
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Dutch, one in English and so on. And then I came to another
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table. I say, OK guys, what do you
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speak Dutch or, or oh, we are all French speakers, full table
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of French and our English is not really good doing it in French.
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I was like, OK, so I start, I start doing something in French,
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but it's, it's not. So it's yeah, when you don't
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have the words in your mind and then then it's not so easy.
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But OK, I managed to do that. But saying that it's, I
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immediately had the feeling that if I, if I'm going to focus
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myself only on entertainment diagnosis, I will maybe
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hypnotize people every three months or something because
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that's probably the especially in the beginning because and
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Belgium, like I said, Belgium is not so open to these things.
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We even even doing table hopping magic is difficult in Belgium.
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People are like, OK, not interested.
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So and again, I at that time I already understand that you have
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to keep busy with Diposis to get good at it.
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So I created this little website and I start using Google Adwords
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like I was using for my entertainment business.
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And most of the time I advertise like OK, it's a one session
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thing. I have different opinions on
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that now, but at that time it was just one session for
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everything. But I didn't know that there was
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no other hypnotherapist in Belgium using marketing at that
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time. There was nobody doing a one
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session approach. Most of even for stop smoking
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that was like 5 sessions, but most of them were, were yeah,
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like psychologists doing a bit of hypnotherapy on the site or
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added to in their toolbox. So after like 3 months I had a
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full time hypnotherapy business. It was here at my home.
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It was totally unprofessional people my my artists that were
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bringing back their material for their shows, juggling clubs, big
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shoes for the Clown X and people were arriving for stop smoking.
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So it was because it boomed immediately.
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So and then I start moving to a bigger, a bigger place where we
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have an actual therapy room and also a training room because at
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that time I was, I was already in touch with Jeffrey Stevens
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and I invited him for the first time in Belgium.
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And I also met a guy from the Netherlands.
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Then we start working together. So that's where we changed the
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name to Hypnosis under Belgium. And then one, one or two years
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later, Jeffrey came for a second time to Belgium to do his
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training again and also to do his advanced training.
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And then he talked with me and route from the Netherlands.
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He said, yeah, guys, I can't keep coming to Belgium all the
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time because he at the time he already had issues with his
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health. And I think it's a better idea
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that I train you both to become trainer in Belgium and in the
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Netherlands. I said, OK, why not?
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I said, yeah, I know you use it on a daily basis.
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You did my two trip, the trainings already.
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I did it once online. I did the two lives that the
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second one I assisted. So he said, yeah, you guys, I
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can, I will train you to become trainers in this protocol.
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So that's how I start training people.
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And then a few months after we were trained as to become
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trainers for Jeffrey Stevens, he suddenly died.
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He was diagnosed with liver cancer and two weeks later he
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was dead. So his son even didn't he
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already? I know I think he was diagnosed
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a bit longer, but he only informed us like 2 weeks before
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he died. So I can still remember.
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It was I think the 26th of December and I know he was sick
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and I got a phone call. I was just returning home from
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from having dinner with my parents and I was sitting
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downstairs and I got a phone call.
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And so Jeffrey Stevens and I just picked up.
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And then I heard Jeremy's voice, his son.
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And yeah, of course I knew how what was happening.
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And one of the so he said, Rob, I just want to inform you, my
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father died like 20 minutes ago. And one thing in that in that
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first phone call already the family asked me, I said there
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are only three trainers in the world.
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It's one guy here in the United States who is not going to
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travel. There's the one in the
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Netherlands who is not going to travel.
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Please keep his work alive. And because Jeremy's son was 24
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at the time, or 25, but for him it was, he should be able to do
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that as well. But because he had done that
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every training, he assisted every training.
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He is a very good hypnotist as well.
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But at that time he said this is too emotional for me.
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I'm not going to do that. It's also not my goal in life.
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He's in military now. So he asked me, the family asked
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me to keep his Geoffrey's work alive.
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So, so I start, I start traveling more.
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You're going to do conventions like Hypno Thoughts and all
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around the world. A lot in the US, of course.
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Now there's also a lot in Europe because they're coming this new.
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I go to Denmark in a few weeks and then I go back to Dublin
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again. Then UK noses convention.
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There's one in Belgium as well. So I'm traveling a lot.
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I don't see clients on a daily basis anymore.
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I still see clients because I don't want to be the trainer
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that doesn't have the client for 10 years anymore because they're
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all out there. They talk about hypnotherapy,
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but they don't see clients. So I don't want to see clients
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on a daily basis anymore that I like, like I used to do.
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So I run the hypnosis center in Belgium.
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I have a team of five hypnotherapists in four
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different cities. We're going to expand to some
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other cities in a few months. Before COVID, it was 8
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hypnotherapists. So we had, we had, our schedule
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was full three weeks upfront. So it was really busy.
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Nowadays it's totally different. So we have these five
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hypnotherapists, smaller team and we have less, we have less
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clients than before. COVID growth changed a bit.
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Belgium. Belgium is still not really so
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into online sessions. It's not like the rest of the
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world when COVID happens after two weeks in the lockdown, there
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was no headphone to find anymore.
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No, no webcam to find anymore because people still have to buy
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it because they, the country is so small.
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You can, you can drive the entire country.
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And when I'm here and I'm quite in the middle of Belgium, when
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I, when I drive one hour in that direction, I will, I will be in
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Germany after an hour. So it's people are not used to
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do this. We're not used to do all these
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online things. So yeah, that's what I'm doing
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now. So I'm managing the business.
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I still see clients, but like 3-4 a week, sometimes along a
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longer period. I don't see any clients because
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I'm traveling. I do online sessions.
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But most of the time I'm managing the business.
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I'm teaching in Belgium and all around the world.
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And of course creating new things like new projects.
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That's most of the time. Yeah, it's, it's I, I like
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running into people that have come from an entertainment
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background because there's a level of confidence that comes
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when you you start from the entertainment world.
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So my belief is that stage hypnotist St. hypnotists often
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make excellent therapists, but not every therapist could make a
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great entertainer or street or stage.
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You know, there is that level of, of confidence.
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I also, you know, there, there's a belief that I have, which you
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really echoed there. And that is that, you know, you
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can't learn to swim by reading a book.
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You've got to jump in the water and hypnosis is like that, you
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know, and, and I think when I started 10 years ago, I was an
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enthusiastic hypnotist. I don't think I was a very good
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hypnotist, but when you when you see so many clients, you get
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good because you're learning constantly in, in, in terms of
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doing things and I think. You know, it's great that even
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though you're a very high, highly regarded trainer now,
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you're still keeping in contact with my regular clients.
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I think that's so important just to kind of calibrate and test
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out new different approaches. You kind of need to to do that.
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One of the reasons we've got you on the show today is that we're
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both speaking at the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference and I
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think that's just in a few weeks now I've seen you do
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demonstrations and things. What are you going to be talking
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about at the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference?
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What's there? What's the topic there?
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Something totally off topic for me, it's even even my team
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members were a bit surprised that I was, was working on a
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project like this because I'm, I'm quite, I'm quite down to
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earth and and they saw it like a bit of like a bit of mystical,
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but it's not, it's certainly not.
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So I'm I'm talking about hypnotic gong.
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It's actually, so I don't know if you're familiar with Qigong,
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it's like Tai Chi, but so you have let me first explain what
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Qigong is for the listeners, because I'm a bit curious about
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that. But whenever you start talking
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about Qigong, most of the people don't know what it is.
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And then when you mentioned Tai Chi, everybody knows what or
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have a notion of what Tai Chi is.
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So but actually Tai Chi is more is a form of Qigong.
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Qigong is actually more the, the basis of Chinese art of movement
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and actually the Tai Chi is more like the martial art form of
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Qigong. So what's the big difference?
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To explain it quite simple is when you see somebody exercising
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Tai Chi, they will do a movement and they go immediately to
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another movement. So it's for most people and a
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lot of people that I, that I talked with who wants did Tai
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chi, they stopped with it because it's too, it's too
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complicated. After like six months in, in, in
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going to workshops, they still only are doing one particular
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sequence of movement because it's very hard to, to, to
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memorize and, and to, to keep that flow going.
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What's the difference with Qigong?
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Isn't Qigong you do a movement and you will repeat it for 15 *
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20 times, then you go to another one.
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So it's much easier and you you will also when you do a full
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jigong session, you will train every single aspect in your body
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and your mind what you want with with Tai chi because you're,
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you're so you have to invest so much time in learning these
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forms. You will spend 6 months learning
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a form that's maybe only working on your shoulders and your arms
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or so. So, So Qigong is actually the
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the more easier form from, from Tai Chi if you want to say it
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like that. I started doing Qigong because
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I'm, I have back issues. I have a prosthesia in my back
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and I need to do something and I'm sitting a lot also.
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And for my neck. And so, and it was actually my
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mother who introduced me to Qigong.
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And I start, I start doing it. I did some yoga before, but I
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couldn't, I couldn't get myself to do it on a daily basis
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because it's too much on the ground.
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And when you have back problems and you have to lie on the
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ground and then it's, it's, it's most of the time it was a
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struggle to get up. And so I, I didn't like it.
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So then I started doing this Jigong, which is 90% of the time
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standing. It's 99% of the time standing.
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There are some forms that you can do it seated, but I always
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do it standing and that immediately appealed to me and I
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started doing it on a regular basis.
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So I do it sometimes in the morning, in the evening, and
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sometimes twice a day. I do it before I start playing a
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round of golf. I do it a lot, even sometimes in
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between like 2 weeks now. 2 days ago I had I had to do some in
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person sessions in one of our therapy rooms here.
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And because my sessions are so short, I have time in between
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clients. I just start doing some some jig
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on just because I like to do it and it's good.
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I feel the difference in my body, I feel the difference in
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my mind. So, but one of the issues that I
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have is whenever I'm doing something, that's one of the
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reasons I started playing golf, because I like to go out for a
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walk, but when you're walking, you're just walking.
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You have a lot of time to think and you have a lot of time to
24:45
get new ideas and then you come home and you start working.
24:48
And so on my free days, I, I went out for a walk and I came
24:52
back with 100 ideas and I started working on my laptop.
24:55
So that was not, so that's why I took up golf because then yeah,
24:59
you have to walk, but you have to do something.
25:01
So you can't think about your business all the time and get
25:04
new ideas. But even when I'm doing Qigong,
25:07
I and it's like moving meditation.
25:10
But the moment I was doing it, I was like, but actually what I'm
25:15
doing here, this is flows, this is this because I use active
25:19
allergic noses also, especially for my recordings, I was like,
25:26
this is something I can combine with hypnosis.
25:29
This is this is great. This is because I experienced
25:34
for also for myself that when I have to listen to a recording or
25:38
when I want, because I'm my own therapist, if I want to change
25:42
something on myself, I don't trust, I don't trust the
25:44
therapists, crazy, crazy people. So I want to do it myself.
25:49
So most of the time I just make a recording.
25:52
But then, then, yeah, because you're working the entire day
25:55
and then you have to sit down, listen to the recording.
25:59
And I wasn't OK, no, let's make, let's make a walking recording
26:04
because I knew that was possible.
26:06
So I start testing them on myself.
26:07
And now, now for my also for my audio hypnosis website,
26:12
everybody will, when they get a recording at my my webshop and
26:16
the international one or the Belgian one or whatever, they
26:19
will always get two options there.
26:20
We get the recording just to listen like the classical one,
26:23
lie down and listen to the recording like we all know.
26:27
But they always get the version for walking as well.
26:32
So they can go out eyes open, of course they can walk.
26:35
They will get in an active state of an active alert state of
26:39
hypnosis. And for me it works even better
26:42
because I can combine it with after work, having a good walk,
26:47
listening to my hypnosis recording and it works and it's
26:51
better for me than just laying down again after sitting the
26:56
entire day. So I was like, OK, but if we can
27:01
do it with a walk, then let's make it more interesting by
27:05
doing it with these Geo movements.
27:07
And so that's what I, when I start playing around with, I
27:11
did, I did live sessions, I did some group things.
27:15
And now what I'm what I'm actually it's, it's in a tryout
27:20
group now people can sign up for it.
27:23
It's flowing change word.com. When you go there flowing change
27:26
word.com, you will, you can sign up for the tryout group.
27:31
You will get 3 sessions with videos and everything.
27:35
The only thing that I expect is feedback because that's what
27:39
it's there for. Because I'm figuring out how I
27:43
can make it like an audio hypnosis recording.
27:47
But with the movement. You will listen to the recording
27:51
and do the movement. The way that I set it up now is
27:54
people will first watch me explaining a Qigong movement.
27:59
Of course I keep it. The goal is that everybody can
28:02
use not, not only Qigong experts, of course it's for
28:05
everybody. So I will I will give them a few
28:07
movements, very simple movements.
28:09
Then we start, then they can hit play, listen to the recording
28:14
and then they know what movements to do.
28:16
And one of the things that's really important, especially
28:19
with this, the movement doesn't have to be perfect.
28:21
It doesn't matter. It just just the flow should be
28:24
there and the feedback, the feedback is, is great.
28:27
I, I'm, I'm starting to get feedback forms in and everybody
28:30
loves it. And I they, they, they, they,
28:33
they feel that they are going into a trance.
28:36
They feel that they go somewhere, they, they, they do
28:39
the movements, but they still listen to a hypnosis recording.
28:42
The three recordings that that the three sessions that are on
28:45
on the tryout group now are are just general things like like
28:49
confidence and self boost that everybody can use.
28:53
That's what I'm going to talk about in Dublin.
28:58
And the goal is actually that I'm going to explain how I see
29:03
the I will demonstrate a bit of Qigong.
29:05
Of course I will talk about the entire project, but we will end
29:11
with a group session. I will do a Hypnotegee young
29:16
session with everybody who's in the room.
29:20
It's, it's the, I think it's the very first presentation of the
29:22
convention 9:00 in the morning. So everybody will still have the
29:26
energy. And so, yeah, so that's, that's,
29:30
that's the plan actually. And the in the future, I
29:34
actually what I want to do it, it's great.
29:36
Like like a membership website where we will all have all these
29:43
different Qigong, hypno Qigong sessions.
29:46
The only thing that I and that that's why I need the feedback
29:49
group. Of course, at the moment it's
29:51
just audio recording. So the setup is they watch the
29:54
videos before so they get familiar with the movements and
29:58
then they listen to the recording.
30:00
Because in my mind, I think it's best that they close their eyes,
30:05
but it's no need. You can open your eyes.
30:07
It's active alertiveness. The eyes can be open, but since
30:10
since you're you're standing on one position, you can also close
30:14
your eyes. Some people gave me the feedback
30:17
that it might be better that they also have the video that
30:20
they see me do the entire movement.
30:22
That's something that I'm going to play around with to see what
30:26
is best for people. Most of the people close their
30:29
eyes so they don't need the actual video.
30:32
They only need the preparation for you.
30:35
And the goal is actually that we will have like these different
30:39
types of sessions, like beginners, where for people who
30:44
are not experienced with hypnotic, with Jigong for
30:47
something totally new for them. So it will be with only like two
30:50
or three different movements in the entire session.
30:53
And I will it will lead to the expert level where people who
31:00
are very good at you, they just can use their own movements.
31:04
I will only guide them through the flow and do the change work,
31:08
of course. So and then they can use their
31:10
own movement. So that's actually what we're
31:13
working on and actually Dublin is the the very first conference
31:19
that I'm going to talk about it so.
31:21
I'm, I'm excited to see that. Yeah, it's, I'll, I'll, I'll,
31:25
I'll be there, I'll be there doing the, the Qigong moves and
31:28
the, and, and the hypnosis. And, and I do think what, what I
31:32
like is that in a lot of areas of, of hypnotherapy, it's, it
31:36
doesn't seem to innovate like other, other kind of areas of
31:39
kind of, let's say change or kind of work.
31:42
And, and whenever I see people in the world of hypnotherapy
31:46
doing something new, and that might be with sounds, with
31:49
movements, with, you know, all different things, I think that's
31:53
great because now we're, we're kind of expanding kind of what
31:56
it is. And just as you were describing
31:58
the Qigong and the, and the movements I was getting
32:01
flashbacks of, I spent a lot of time in my 20s learning a
32:06
Brazilian martial art called Capoeira.
32:08
And, and the rhythm of, of that, you know, my eyes were wide
32:12
open. But it, it felt that Venn
32:15
diagram of a trance state feels very much like a lot of the
32:19
hypnosis that I experienced, even though there's a lot of
32:22
movement and flow and that kind of stuff.
32:24
So why my my gut tells me it's going to be, you know, an
32:26
amazing thing. I think I think the the the way
32:31
that I that I do it with the Qigong.
32:33
You can do it with with older movements that I like opera
32:37
because you also get in that in the in those flows and those
32:41
flows, those flows will will will create a strong state in
32:45
your mind. And then when you combine it
32:47
with the right suggestions to get them in a more active
32:50
alertiveness states that they are open for change.
32:56
Yeah. And like I said, I want to try
33:00
these things on because most of the things that I created are,
33:05
yeah, a lot of the time that I, that I want something else for
33:08
myself, like my hypno fasting protocol I created because I
33:12
wanted to lose weight myself. And I, I'm a virtual gastric
33:17
band trainer. I, we use it a lot in the
33:20
therapy room. But for me, it didn't sound like
33:24
the right approach because I don't want to eat less when I
33:30
when I eat, I want to eat whatever I want to eat.
33:34
So I was more. And then one of my therapists
33:36
came with explaining that he was doing intermittent fasting.
33:41
And I was like, oh, maybe that's something for me.
33:43
But me not having breakfast, that might be a struggle.
33:47
Or maybe I can do some hypnosis to overcome that struggle.
33:51
And that's why I started creating the hypno fasting
33:53
protocol, combining hypnosis and intermittent fasting.
33:58
And yeah, I started testing it on myself.
34:00
It worked. I lost 10 kilograms.
34:03
I still do intermittent fasting and I'm happy with it.
34:07
And and that's, yeah, that's how you sometimes get to these new
34:11
approaches, because you want something else for yourself.
34:15
You, you, you test it and you see what works.
34:17
And I think that's, that's what I think appeals to a lot of
34:20
people about hypnotherapy and the rapid change were like NLP
34:24
is that you get to, you get to test, you know, the, the kind of
34:28
the change pretty quickly. It's not like 2 years of
34:30
counselling where you're kind of hoping that a change will take
34:32
place. You get to evaluate change, you
34:35
know, very quickly. And, and when you were saying
34:37
about the versions with the eyes closed and then mirroring you, I
34:40
just had a feeling that a lot of, a lot of people when they go
34:45
to like an aerobics class, they, they, they have that person in
34:49
front of them and that triggers the mirror neurons and they,
34:51
they kind of know what to do and they've got that reference
34:53
point. So it's great that you're
34:55
testing it. I have a feeling that maybe
34:57
observing you in real time or a video version may be more
35:01
effective than the eyes closed. But this is a great thing with
35:04
hypnosis. You get to test it and, and see
35:06
what works and, and, and whatever works the best, you
35:09
know, then double down on that. So for those people interested
35:13
in, in seeing this cheek on hypnosis, you're going to be at
35:16
the Irish Hypnotherapy conference that's in early April
35:19
in Dublin. There are tickets available.
35:22
So if you go to Irish Hypnotherapy conference, dot, IE
35:26
you can check out Rob, Rob's going to be there.
35:29
I'm going to be there. I'm going to be talking about
35:31
something very different. I'm going to be talking about
35:32
the fourth dimension. There's going to be loads of
35:34
other speakers there as well, you know, talking about stuff.
35:37
So check that out if you're interested.
35:39
But Rob, if people are curious about, let's say some of the
35:41
training that you offer or some of the other things that you do,
35:44
give us a couple of other websites before you, you share a
35:47
demo with us. Yeah.
35:48
So when you go to europeanhypnosisacademy.com
35:52
there, there you can find everything about the trainings
35:57
and also upcoming events where I will be present.
36:03
I actually for the ones going to Dublin, I also do a training
36:07
there on Monday. I do a workshop on instant
36:09
inductions. So I will teach 22 different
36:14
very fast inductions. I only use instant inductions.
36:18
That's was a bit of my my entertainment background.
36:22
I'm used to hypnotize people very quickly.
36:24
So I don't see why I would use something longer in a therapy
36:28
room. So that's what I'm doing in
36:32
Dublin as well. But there's also, you also have
36:35
this, just my name, Rob thegrove.com.
36:39
There you can find also a lot of links to all different
36:44
interviews and podcasts that I did videos during all these
36:49
years and some some more information.
36:52
Also links to all my my different social media channels.
36:55
So that that's the easiest way to go.
36:58
Actually, just myname.com, probablygrove.com.
37:01
Also on that, on that website is also the possibility to book in
37:06
a video call with me. So if there are people out there
37:10
or interested in mentoring or having a training with me or
37:15
invite me for a training in their country, I'm always
37:18
looking for new countries to visit for new hosts in countries
37:24
that I am might not have been yet.
37:27
So so yeah, that's that's the best way to go there.
37:32
Perfect. And I've, I've seen a couple of
37:34
your demonstrations. You work fast, you know, and I,
37:37
I like that. That's what appealed to me about
37:39
hypnosis and NLP. You know, seeing the early
37:41
Richard Bandler stuff, it's like changes like very, very quick
37:44
and that, that really kind of resonates with me.
37:47
So you've got some hypnosis or a demonstration to share with us?
37:51
Yeah. So like, like like you already
37:55
said, my sessions are short. That's something that I'm known
37:58
for. It's even.
38:00
So if you see the difference, I use most of 80% of the time I
38:05
use the Jeffrey Stevens protocol or a combination with the
38:09
protocol. And most of the time I use the
38:13
protocol as my blueprint. I might add some extra
38:17
techniques, but I think it's really important that that as a
38:20
hypnotherapist or as a hypnotist, whether you do a
38:23
demonstration or, or entertainment on a stage or, or
38:26
sitting in a therapy room with a client, you need a blueprint in
38:30
your mind. And I think that that's really,
38:33
really important because if you start the sessions with still
38:37
what I am, what am I going to do or what approach am I going to
38:40
use or what I'm, what I'm going to do next.
38:43
You don't have the possibility to, to be focused on your client
38:48
and watch all these different feedback.
38:50
And, and so I, I really like to have a blueprint in my mind.
38:54
And most of the time I use the same blueprint and it's short.
38:59
It's, it's short. I do it shorter than Jeffrey did
39:02
it with Jeffrey. It was a session from induction
39:05
to X reduction was about 15 minutes.
39:10
Most of the time with me. It's a bit shorter in English.
39:13
In English it might be around 1012 minutes depending on what
39:17
the issue is. And when I do it in my own
39:19
language, in Dutch, it's even, it's even shorter because I put
39:24
a lot of energy in my sessions And that's I don't, I don't
39:27
speak with a hypnotic voice or something like that.
39:30
It's just energy. It's, it's, it's a little
39:33
entertainment actually. So by putting that energy, I
39:37
speak rather fast and especially in Dutch language.
39:41
One of the first questions I always get from my students, but
39:44
because I demonstrated a lot in my trainings, of course, do we
39:48
have to speak as fast as US? And no, one of the, one of the
39:52
key takeaways of this training is don't be a copy of me.
39:56
Don't be a copy of Jeffrey Stevens.
39:58
Just learn the blueprint. Make it your own.
40:01
Do it in your own style. My, my, I had during these
40:06
years, I had maybe like 10-12 different therapists working for
40:10
me. They all were using the same
40:12
approaches. They all are using the same
40:14
techniques, the same protocols, but in their own manner, in
40:18
their own style, with their own their own way of hypnotizing.
40:23
I, one of the things that I show in my, in my, when I, I do
40:27
virtual gastric band training for she like Ranger in Belgium
40:31
and the Netherlands. And when I do a virtual gastric
40:34
band session, I do it in the same way that I do my, my, my
40:40
direct change work. So also that for the ones who
40:43
know the virtual gastric band, when you do the first session
40:46
and the entire walk through to the hospital, I do it with a lot
40:50
of movement with my arms and a lot of emotion in my, in my
40:54
voice. And then you have Sheila doing
40:58
it in her, her style, it's totally different, but I have
41:04
good results and she has very good results.
41:07
But because she is doing it in her own way and I'm doing it in
41:11
her own way. Don't ask me to do it her way
41:14
because that will not resonate with me and I would not have the
41:17
results. Don't ask her to do it in my way
41:20
because that would probably not resonate with her.
41:23
And that's what I, what I want my students to know, just take
41:26
away. And that's, that's for every
41:28
single training out there in the world.
41:30
Take away what you can use and use it in your own way.
41:36
Don't try to be a copy of the trainer.
41:38
One of the things that I, that I experienced a lot in my school
41:41
in Belgium before COVID, I was inviting like 6 international
41:45
trainers a year. And then my students came in and
41:49
then one of the trainers that came a lot to to our school was
41:53
show Michael Andrews because they used to live in Heidelberg,
41:55
Germany. It's only three hours and a half
41:57
drive to my school in Belgium. So he came every year for a four
42:00
day training. And then of course, Sean
42:04
approach is totally different than mine.
42:07
And so my students had me for seven days and a lot of probably
42:11
a lot of older master classes with me.
42:13
And then Sean came he with his approach or somebody else came
42:17
in a sin. Some gain people from all around
42:20
the world came that were Anthony Jack when Freddie were my place.
42:24
But then a lot of students they were like, OK, now this trainer
42:28
says this oh, now we're going to follow his approach.
42:32
And then two months later another trainer came.
42:35
Oh, he says we have to do it. No, no, he don't say that.
42:39
You have to do it this way. You have to get the information
42:43
and create with everything in your toolbox, your own way and
42:46
be your own person in the therapy room because that's the
42:49
only way that you can be confident that you can be
42:52
congruent. And that's something that I
42:55
think a lot of people forget for me.
42:57
So yeah, let's, let's, let's do a demonstration with the I will,
43:04
I will just do the basic, basic Jeffrey Stevens protocol like I
43:08
like, I teach it to my, my students when I'm also, when I
43:11
teach it internationally, I teach the basic Jeffrey Stevens
43:15
protocol and in my therapy room, I combine it with the swarm.
43:19
I combine it with other approaches, but let's just
43:22
demonstrate the basic Jeffrey Stevens protocol.
43:26
Perfect, let's do that. I'm going to put myself on mute
43:27
and it's all over to you. OK, but I I need, I need, I need
43:32
you as a client. So OK, I won't be on mute then.
43:38
It can, it doesn't need to be going to be anything.
43:43
So just give me something. It can be just installing
43:47
something positive. It doesn't matter.
43:50
So, so the, the, the, the little intake talk that we're going to
43:53
do now, that's as much as I'm doing with my clients.
43:56
I don't do pre talks in the therapy room.
43:59
I sent a video that's something that I present a lot of that
44:02
conventions. There's I think you can find it
44:07
on YouTube where I talk about about.
44:09
It's also in my book where I talk about not doing pretax in
44:13
the therapy room. So I only ask a few questions
44:16
and then I start doing my session.
44:18
So just give me and actually that's how we ask our clients on
44:22
the intake form. Give me in 2 words what what you
44:25
want to get rid of. So I, as you know, I went on, so
44:33
I've recorded a lot of video content for my YouTube channel,
44:37
but I haven't done the editing and the actual kind of
44:39
production. So to get rid of it would be the
44:42
hesitation and to have more of, let's just call it focus
44:46
concentration, you know, because I've done the fun bit, the
44:49
recording, now it's the editing bit, which isn't so fun.
44:51
So I want to feel inspired, excited to actually do that bit
44:55
so. It's especially the editing that
44:59
you have. Yeah, just because it's slightly
45:02
out of my comfort zone and you know, I love doing hypnosis.
45:06
I don't necessarily enjoy editing hypnosis.
45:08
So, you know, that's there's less, less kind of passion for
45:12
that bit. Yeah.
45:14
So actually the goal is to, to, to, to take the next step and
45:21
get old with, with all the, the work that that's there or, or
45:24
just be more enthusing. I have more enthusiasm to to do
45:28
the next part of the project. Well, I, I, I guess it would be,
45:32
you know, if I, if I don't do the editing bit, then all this
45:35
stuff that I've done never, never has the possibility of
45:37
impacting people. So it's, it's, it's quite a
45:40
crucial bit, but it's, it's the, the bit that I'm kind of, I
45:43
don't know if it's procrastination or hesitation,
45:45
but it's something like that. No, no.
45:51
No. OK.
45:53
So the only thing that I need to know is what will be the
45:58
advantages that you have or your business have when you do the
46:04
work. When you do that, when you go to
46:06
the next step and do the other thing from all that material I
46:10
already wrote down, your work will be able to have an impact.
46:14
I think it's impact and, and you know, part of why I created the
46:19
podcast is this idea of if it just changes one person's life,
46:22
if it helps one person. So the same logic that gets me
46:26
doing my podcast every day would be the same logic for the
46:29
YouTube, but it's just a bit more complex when you're dealing
46:31
with video and audio feeds and, and those bits.
46:35
So, but that is still the same essence.
46:37
It's it's helping people. Yeah.
46:47
OK, great. That's all I need.
46:50
OK. So yeah, of course we we were
46:54
online. So we're just going to do a very
46:56
simple, simple induction now push on my hand.
46:59
Thanks. I'm really looking for that.
47:01
There will be there will be a time in the future that we can
47:05
do this instant inductions online like push on my hand.
47:08
They will find something for that.
47:10
I'm quite sure like technology is growing now they will find
47:14
something. OK, good.
47:16
OK, so it just take a deep breath and close your eyes while
47:26
breathing out. OK?
47:29
So Adam, what I want you to do now is just focus on your
47:32
eyelids and just concentrate on your eyelids and just imagine
47:36
that your eyes are blue shut, that you can't open them
47:38
anymore, that they're so tired, so heavy, so blue shut that you
47:44
can't open them anymore. And the moment you're 100%
47:47
convinced that you can't open them anymore, only when you're
47:50
100% convinced that you used all your imaginations, I want you to
47:54
give them a good try. That's right.
47:57
OK, stop trying. Sweep deeper and deeper, all the
48:02
way down, deep, deep, deeper. That's right.
48:07
Because the deeper you go, the better you feel.
48:09
The better you feel, the deeper you go, All the way down, deep,
48:16
deep, deeper. That's right, from now on, every
48:19
sound you hear, every voice you hear, inside or outside, makes
48:23
it easier and easier to focus only on my voice and follow your
48:28
instructions. My instructions, even better,
48:32
starting from now. Everything you feel inside or
48:36
outside makes it easier and easier to focus only on my voice
48:41
and follow my instructions Even better, nothing I do or say will
48:46
disturb you in any way whatsoever.
48:48
If for any reason the connection is lost or you can't hear me,
48:51
you will open your eyes, you will be back in the room and you
48:55
will be able to contact me starting from now.
49:00
Everything I say will become your only and total reality.
49:05
Everything I say you see, you see.
49:07
Everything I say you feel you feel.
49:09
Everything I say you can, you can.
49:10
Everything I say you hear, you hear.
49:14
Starting from now, every breath you take will take you 10 times
49:18
deeper into hypnosis. That's right, all the way down.
49:22
Deep, deep, deeper. In a moment.
49:25
Not now, but in a moment, I'm going to count from 1:00 to
49:28
3:00. Three.
49:28
You will open your eyes. You will feel absolutely
49:30
wonderful. The moment I say sleep, you
49:33
close your eyes, you go 10 times deeper.
49:35
Every time I say sleep, you close your eyes, you go 10 times
49:39
deeper. OK, 123 here, sleep deeper and
49:44
deeper. That's right, all the way down.
49:48
123, look here, sleep deeper and deeper.
49:54
That's right. OK, While you put your head a
49:58
bit more straight on your shoulders, you will find your
50:01
neck relaxing. You will be able to focus even
50:04
more on my voice. That's right, in a moment, not
50:07
now, but in a moment, I'm going to count from 5 to 0.
50:11
I want you to imagine that zero way out in the distance.
50:14
Just imagine that zero way out in the distance.
50:18
The moment I start counting from 5 to 0, I want you to imagine
50:24
walking towards the zero. The closer I get to the 0, the
50:27
closer you get to the 0. When I reach the zero, you reach
50:31
the zero and you will just walk through the middle of that zero.
50:35
And beyond that zero is this deep hypnotic trance waiting for
50:39
you. That deep hypnotic experience is
50:41
waiting for you beyond that zero.
50:43
Everything beyond that zero is beyond expectations.
50:47
So keep on focusing on that zero way out in the distance. 5
50:52
Getting closer and closer, closer, closer towards that 04
50:56
getting closer and closer towards that 0.
50:58
Anticipation is building. Expectation is building.
51:01
You really want to go towards that zero.
51:04
You really want to go there. 3 Getting closer and closer,
51:07
closer and closer and closer. Two, you're almost there.
51:11
You're almost there. Anticipation keeps building.
51:13
Expectation keeps building. You almost can have the sense of
51:18
a feeling of what is waiting beyond that zero for you one
51:21
you're almost there. You're almost there.
51:22
You're right in front of it, you're right in front of it.
51:25
Zero walk through that zero and that hypnotic experience, that
51:28
hypnotic trans wash through your mind and your body like a wave
51:32
of the wave of the wave washing through your mind and your body
51:37
wave of the wave of the wave. That's right.
51:42
Just let it wash through your mind and your body and those
51:45
emotions, those feelings, those whatever is going on beyond that
51:48
0 will start growing up with every wave of the wave getting
51:54
more intense wave of the wave. That's right.
51:58
And from now on, you just can keep enjoying whatever is going
52:02
on beyond that zero. And also your conscious mind can
52:05
keep enjoying whatever is going on there because from now on,
52:11
you don't even have to listen to me anymore on a conscious level
52:15
because from now on, I'm talking directly to your subconscious
52:18
mind. So subconscious mind, I'm
52:20
talking directly to you now, Subconscious mind, I'm speaking
52:26
to you now. So subconscious mind, up until
52:29
now you created this kind of hesitating with Adam when he
52:40
needs to start working on the next step with his material that
52:48
he recorded. So he really enjoys making all
52:53
these recordings, but there is a kind of hesitation in going to
53:00
the next step. The other thing the the
53:03
processing of all that material. So subconscious mind, with the
53:10
information you had, you had your reasons to do that, but you
53:13
now know that that is no longer what is best for Adam.
53:17
You know that is no longer what he wants himself.
53:22
You now know that what is best for Adam is that he will have
53:26
the same energy, the same enthusiasm to go to the next
53:33
step of the project, to start using all that material.
53:40
I start editing it, start processing it to some good
53:45
material that he can put out there and that again, can be
53:50
used to help people. That again, can have an impact
53:57
on people out there. And that's actually what his
54:01
goal is, to create that impact even when it only change one
54:05
person. That's why you need to be able
54:10
to start doing the next step of the process.
54:14
So subconscious mind, what I want you to do is make all
54:18
necessary changes so that it becomes like second nature that
54:23
Adam starts taking initiative to start editing that material, to
54:32
start processing that material to an end product that he can
54:36
put out there. Whether it is a good video that
54:41
he can post on YouTube or on his socials.
54:45
Make sure that he has all that initiative to start processing
54:51
that material, to start editing that material to a very good end
54:54
product. Because you know that what is
54:56
best for him. You know that it's what is best
54:58
for him on a personal level, on a conditional level, on
55:02
emotional level, on a professional level.
55:04
You know that it only has advantages for him.
55:07
You know that he will be able to help more people out there.
55:11
You will. You know that it will create an
55:14
impact out there. You know that this is what Adam
55:17
wants to subconscious mind. What I want you to do is start
55:20
making these changes and make these changes on a healthy way.
55:24
Make them as fast as possible but as safe as possible on your
55:28
own base subconscious mind. Start making these changes now,
55:35
not your head. If you're accepting, understand
55:41
that's right and go 10 times deeper, all the way down.
55:46
And then the man that you see when you watch in the mirror is
55:51
a man of word. It's man full with confidence,
55:57
full with joy. And you know that's true because
56:03
you're the man that you see when you look in the mirror.
56:06
You're that man full of word, full of confidence, full of joy.
56:10
So the person you see when you look in the mirror is somebody
56:14
who's loved and is loving by other people, who's full of
56:19
energy. It's a great person, a beautiful
56:23
person on the inside and the outside.
56:25
And you know that's true because you're that person of word.
56:28
You're that person that's loved by others and is loving other
56:32
people. That's beautiful on the inside
56:35
and the outside. You're the wonderful person,
56:37
that person of word that you see when you look in the mirror, not
56:43
your head. If you're accepted, understand
56:45
that's right and got 10 times deeper all the way down in a
56:51
moment, not now, but in a moment.
56:53
I'm going to count from 1:00 to 5:00 and 5:00.
56:55
I want you to open your eyes. You will be back in the room
56:58
fully re energized, feeling absolutely wonderful knowing
57:03
that your subconscious mind is on the job, knowing that your
57:06
subconscious mind will start making all necessary changes to
57:10
reach your goals. One all relaxation is leaving
57:15
your body to energy is floating inside your body from all
57:18
different directions, filling your entire body with this
57:21
amazing energy treat. Take a deep, deep breath for
57:24
your lungs are clear, your throat is clear, sciences are
57:27
clear, your heart is clear, your mind is clear.
57:29
Sharp five open your eyes. Back in the room feeling
57:32
absolutely wonderful. Feeling great.
57:34
Feeling re energized. Back in the room feeling good.
57:39
Feeling good that was that was a nice experience.
57:43
Great. Thank you.
57:45
So yeah. So this was was short version of
57:51
the Jeffrey Stevens protocol where I have all these different
57:55
steps that I go through and the change work is yeah, like, like
58:00
I, I don't you, I don't. We don't use any history.
58:04
We're not going to do. We just give the subconscious
58:08
mind the the responsibility to make the changes.
58:13
And of course there's a lot of there's a lot going on in.
58:19
And that's what I what I also explained in my training.
58:23
And for me, it's really important that a hypnotherapist
58:26
is able to to start the session with whatever information he
58:32
gets and even if he doesn't know anything about the issue,
58:35
because every single day I see people posting in all these
58:40
different hypnosis groups on Facebook.
58:43
Does anyone has a good script or does anyone has a good session
58:47
for this issue? I'm like, OK, there is no, there
58:52
is no good script or there's no good session or something.
58:54
No, there's a, there's an approach, but just use the
58:57
client's information and start working.
58:59
And, and that's, that's, that's what I what I want to give my
59:03
student. That's one of the reasons that I
59:05
teach all my, my, my new students, the ones who who start
59:09
becoming a hypnotherapist, I teach them this protocol because
59:12
now the moment they know this, they are ready to go.
59:15
They are they, they can do, of course they can.
59:17
They can learn other techniques and fill their toolbox and start
59:20
using them together. But they always have this basic
59:24
thing that they can go through for every single issue that they
59:28
have. And then so yeah, that's.
59:32
And I think the nature of hypnotherapy sometimes is that
59:34
they're trying to learn so many different approaches and
59:37
protocols and different techniques.
59:39
And I think there's a Bruce Lee quote that says something like,
59:41
you know, I don't fear the man that's learned 10,000 kicks.
59:44
I fear the man that's learned one kick and practice 10,000
59:46
times. And I think there's a lot of
59:48
power in being very, very good at an approach.
59:51
And I, and I think sometimes people have this, again, a
59:54
fallacy that if it's, if it's too simple, therefore it's not
59:57
effective. But actually most simple things
59:59
are more effective. Because it it cuts right to the
1:00:03
the core and, and at its core, hypnosis is a catalyst for
1:00:06
change. And most people know what they
1:00:08
don't want and they know what they do want.
1:00:10
So if you can be that catalyst, you help them get there quicker.
1:00:13
Yeah, yeah. That's one one of the things
1:00:16
that I experienced when when I'm when I have like a 2 month break
1:00:21
that I don't have seen a lot of clients.
1:00:24
I have most of them. I had a few online clients yeah,
1:00:28
but when I'm traveling a lot, I'm not scheduling sessions when
1:00:32
I'm traveling. I don't like to work in hotel
1:00:34
rooms online because there's always something going on with
1:00:37
the Internet and things when I when I when I schedule when I'm
1:00:39
traveling, I bought my session, I might do a session there
1:00:44
somewhere in person, but I'm not doing online stuff.
1:00:47
So there sometimes I have this breaks that I don't see an
1:00:51
actual client for a month or sometimes a bit longer.
1:00:55
But I find is whenever I start again now with seeing clients, a
1:01:01
lot of the times I just go back to the basics.
1:01:04
I just I just do the Jeffrey Stevens protocol like I like.
1:01:07
I teach it in the training as well.
1:01:10
And then after a while then I start when it's needed, I start
1:01:15
getting other things involved. But like last Sunday there was
1:01:20
this guy and he contacted me through WhatsApp and he says
1:01:23
yeah, I'm very busy in construction and I really want
1:01:26
to stop smoking session with you because my colleague he came to
1:01:30
you 5-6 years ago and I still remember him going starting on
1:01:35
the 1st work day after he become a non-smoker.
1:01:39
He had no issues, he no cravings.
1:01:42
I was still smoking he says and he didn't bother him at all.
1:01:47
So I want a session with you, but I the only day that I'm it's
1:01:52
possible for me it's in a weekend days.
1:01:54
OK, let's do it on Sunday. I don't mind.
1:01:57
I work most of the Sundays. So I did a session with him and
1:02:02
just very very short. Just stop smoking like the way
1:02:05
that I did with you. Now just inform the subconscious
1:02:08
mind he's a non-smoker now, so stop all that nonsense.
1:02:12
So and then a few days later, he sent me a message that's
1:02:18
something like when you translate it, it's like you're a
1:02:21
rock star. Just that was a message.
1:02:24
And then he replied to me and said, yeah, no issues, no
1:02:27
cravings, nothing. All good.
1:02:29
And yeah, sometimes you just don't need much.
1:02:34
It's, it's when the client is ready for the change and, and
1:02:38
knows what he wants. And then, then, yeah, that's the
1:02:43
reason that, that my, my, my training and also the subtitle
1:02:48
of my book. It's called the art of simple
1:02:50
Hypnosis. And it's actually, I got it
1:02:52
from, from a golf trainer from the UK and he has the art of
1:02:56
simple golf. And that's a bit the same in
1:02:59
golf. You can watch YouTube and you
1:03:02
can find 100,000 different approach of hitting a golf ball
1:03:06
and people start watching this and then trainer A says this
1:03:10
trainer B says something else and there's there's another guy
1:03:13
said, no, this is the best way. And they come on the on the golf
1:03:17
course and they can't they can't play golf anymore because they
1:03:20
have all these different things in their mind.
1:03:22
And what what I found, what I experienced, I did it myself as
1:03:25
well. What I experienced is you listen
1:03:28
to a YouTube video and the guy says you have to hit, you have
1:03:30
to place the ball here and here and then you have to do this.
1:03:33
You do it and the first time it worked great one time, but the
1:03:38
moment you want to repeat it, and especially when you want you
1:03:41
want to repeat it on a golf course doesn't work anymore
1:03:44
because you just make your other complicated.
1:03:48
And that guy is his thing is can make it as simple as possible.
1:03:54
And that's why I got this idea. I said, OK, but that's actually
1:03:57
how I see hypnosis and how I try to teach hypnosis to my students
1:04:02
and how I speak at conventions. It's most of the time about
1:04:06
keeping it as simple as possible and don't overcomplicate things.
1:04:10
And I wanted both in a therapy room, but I also wanted for the
1:04:14
user experience, the client experience.
1:04:15
That's why I have that pre talk video and all these things that,
1:04:19
that, that to make it the client as easiest as easiest or as
1:04:23
simple as possible, but also for for the therapist.
1:04:26
So, so yeah, that's a bit a bit my goal at the moment to, to
1:04:32
because I did trainings like in the UK where where when I was
1:04:38
teaching the Jeffrey Stevens Protocol about 5-5 years ago or
1:04:41
something. And I was in the business for 10
1:04:44
years. And most of my students in the
1:04:47
room at that time were lower in the business than I was in the
1:04:50
business at the time. And a lot of them, they came to
1:04:53
me after I did a 2 day Jeffrey Stevens Protocol training.
1:04:57
They said, where were you 15 years ago?
1:04:59
I'm doing this very long sessions with, yeah, with a lot
1:05:04
of information, listening to the clients a lot with long
1:05:07
inductions. And this, this, this is going to
1:05:09
make my life so much simpler. And that's actually what I want
1:05:13
to give people also when I when I teach them the instant
1:05:17
inductions and when I teach them the other techniques.
1:05:21
Keep it as simple as possible because one one of the the
1:05:26
videos or no I wrote it in my newsletter about doesn't doesn't
1:05:31
have a session to be one hour because a lot of clients.
1:05:34
It doesn't, yeah. Or therapist thinks that it
1:05:37
needs to be an hour, but there's no need.
1:05:39
People are not paying me for my time, they're paying me for a
1:05:42
result. For the result and the change,
1:05:45
yeah. I, I, I, I explained to my
1:05:47
students the moment we will find that a, a way of change work or
1:05:51
or therapy that that I put somebody on a chair and I walked
1:05:56
three times around the chair and his problem is solved.
1:05:59
I don't care if it's only three minutes or one minute or there's
1:06:06
no scientific research for this. As long as my clients issue is
1:06:10
gone or his goal is reached, that's what he's paying me for.
1:06:14
Not for the time, not for the research, not for whatever.
1:06:19
He wants a result. And if I can, if I can get to
1:06:24
that result by doing something crazy and just walk around the
1:06:27
chair, not going to happen, probably then it's OK for me.
1:06:30
Then he has a result and that's what I want.
1:06:33
I want them to give the result and.
1:06:36
I think it's, it's important to focus on the on on the outcome
1:06:39
and, and whatever the process is that gets you there is the right
1:06:41
one. And, and as you were saying that
1:06:43
it kind of reminded me like when I started my, my sessions were
1:06:46
4550 minutes long of, of hypnosis.
1:06:49
And these days they're, you know, a long session will be
1:06:52
like 25 minutes and most of them are between 15 and 20 minutes.
1:06:55
And, and it's kind of like, you know, in theory, like because
1:06:58
you know more, they should be longer.
1:06:59
But actually they just get more efficient, you know, the more
1:07:02
you know and, and, and you know it, there is like, again, a
1:07:05
fallacy that longer is better. And it's like, I don't think it
1:07:09
is. And, and you don't need long
1:07:11
progressive relaxation inductions and those kind of
1:07:14
things. So, Rob, thanks so much for
1:07:16
joining me on the show today. Just give us your website
1:07:19
addresses again, just in case people want to learn more about
1:07:23
you or perhaps do your training. Yeah, so we have the European
1:07:29
hypnosisacademy.com. There's also on that website.
1:07:33
You can also sign up for a newsletter.
1:07:36
I'm starting a new because I'm was was not, I was not really
1:07:41
consistent in my newsletters for the for because that's one of
1:07:45
the issues that I have in my business.
1:07:47
I have to work. I have to do everything in in in
1:07:49
in 2 languages. So every single content I, so I,
1:07:52
I know your struggle because for me it's like, OK, and I have to
1:07:57
do it in English. I have to do it in Dutch because
1:07:59
I have students all, a lot of in Belgium, of course, but you
1:08:02
can't do everything in English for those students because
1:08:05
that's not the right way to approach them.
1:08:07
So yeah, that's. So I'm starting a brand new
1:08:11
newsletter for the European Hypnosis Academy.
1:08:13
It's actually called the Art of Simple Hypnosis newsletter in
1:08:16
which every month I will give them advice on how to keep it
1:08:19
simple. There's there's a question
1:08:21
answer, there's a tip or a technique that I share in that
1:08:24
newsletter. So they can sign up for that one
1:08:27
on europeanhypnosisacademy.com. Also there they will find the
1:08:31
trainings, also online stuff and things like that.
1:08:34
And then my, just my name, Rob thegrove.com.
1:08:39
There they can find all my links to my socials.
1:08:42
They want to follow me on my socials and also there there is
1:08:48
information about where I am in the world to do trainings or
1:08:51
presentations or things like that.
1:08:53
And for the ones who want to try out the hypnotic gong, because
1:08:56
I'm quite sure in your listeners there will be a lot of people
1:09:00
interested in trying this new approach.
1:09:03
And you don't have to have any experience with diagnosis with
1:09:07
Qigong. It doesn't matter.
1:09:08
It's for everybody. So just go to
1:09:11
flowingchangeword.com and there you can sign up for the tryout
1:09:16
group. The tryout group will be online
1:09:18
for the next couple of weeks. Because I want, I want actually
1:09:23
as many because of course a lot of my followers are
1:09:26
hypnotherapist. So I want not only
1:09:29
hypnotherapist trying it out, I want general public trying it
1:09:33
out, people with Qingon experience, but people with no
1:09:37
Qigong, experienced people with it not or we used to go to a
1:09:41
hypnotherapist or people that it's brand new for.
1:09:44
So I want this different feedback coming in so.
1:09:47
Amazing. Well, it sounds very exciting.
1:09:49
I'm looking forward to seeing seeing it in in Dublin very
1:09:52
soon. Rob, it's great to have you on
1:09:53
the show today. It was a pleasure.
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