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The Fever Report with John Robertson & Michelle Garmon (2.309.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to the fever report with John Robertson and Michelle Garmin.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every Sunday on the Central Indian Sports Report, John and Michelle will be back on Thursday with the reaction to Wednesday's fever game against the Connecticut Sun.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome fever fans to the Central Indian Sports Report for this week's fever report with John Robertson and Michelle Garmin.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We previewed this week on last week's fever report and talked about our expectations
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they are starting to meet and maybe even surpass some expectations.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the rest of League might want to start getting a little worried about this team, John.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I prefer the rest of the league.
• 0:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Keep thinking they're no good.
• 0:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just, they're no good guys.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just keep forgetting about the V-Ver.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just as a reminder, Greg, we can't say they exceeded your expectations because you said five of no.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Correct, but okay, I just want to the you're my expectations.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: My expectations were slightly exceeded I said that I wanted to go three and two over the last five or whatever.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they've done better They're what four and one and the game that you they lost was the one that you were confident They were gonna lose John.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was I thought I did I did I thought they will see I thought we were gonna lose against the Valkyries and they did but
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We want to give the aces which was great to start that off.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Valkyries game was hard fought.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I mean, we're going to talk about all three games.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Valkyries game, there were some positives, there were some negatives.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hard fought game, which you know, that's tough team.
• 1:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough matchup.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We win on, who was it on Friday against Seattle.
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Way closer than it should have been, but got the win.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the Saturday night winning against New York is fantastic.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Guys, we've seen Caitlin be great.
• 2:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen Kelsey be great.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's them being great together.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been few and far between.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the most encouraging thing about this week is how good they've been together.
• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey's been Kelsey.
• 2:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are going to complain that she doesn't have enough assists or rebounds or whatever, but that's not Kelsey's job.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to defend Kelsey all day long that that's not her job.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Her job is to score and she has been scoring beautifully.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I am thrilled with what we're getting out of Kelsey.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: As far as Caitlin,
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think what's really opened up, once she's getting to play minutes, right?
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna help her stats overall.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, and we've discussed this before, I think Caitlyn's biggest attribute that leads to winning games is if she starts with the passing.
• 2:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caitlyn's passing is the key because once her passes are so good, that opens up shots for her.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like when she does the teams are so key down on not letting her head along three, that leaves so many other people open when she's passing really well,
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: two Kelsey or whoever like it's just unbelievably good and it leads to just amazing satellites.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: She scored 45 on Friday night so her shooting and her scoring is also super important but I think that the passing is what opens that up eventually.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: I agree John and I think it helps her when she comes out and this passing like that I really think it just helps her kind of get into
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: and offensive rhythm overall.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, doesn't have to be shots like, you know, she was struggling to hit shots first, three quarters tonight, but then came up money Caitlin did in the fourth quarter for us, but her passing was good and running the offense was good throughout the game.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been pleased, I'm going to, I'm going to say this, I'm going to record and saying this now.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The golden state factories are better than what I thought.
• 3:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: and they are going to be a title contender the way they play defense and if they're hit knocking down shots, they are a very hard team to match up against.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just have so much length.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're good.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't go that far.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll say they're right.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, the power rankings and anybody that can pull off eight straight wins and and do those on the road, you're you're really good basketball team.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're really good.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're a horrible matchup for the fever, like they're really bad for us.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would have the number one of my power rankings.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they do because they won't hate game.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've had their own fair good, don't straight weeks.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have, I don't rank those teams.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have them fifth.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's low.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I would.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: If we're talking about who's going to win the championship,
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would have to be based on who's playing well now.
• 4:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but you said Michelle, you're the one who said you're their title contender and I say I would rank them fifth.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would rank them the fifth best team anyway.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the final contender and they're better than they're in the top four because you weigh they play defense.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's relevant because if the fever have to match up with them in the play office, it's going to be a really tough series for the fever.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that's where that's relevant for sure.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think if you look at each of the three games that we had this week, something positive stood out from each of the three games, right?
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: On Friday's game, the scoring was unbelievably good, the passing was great.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: On Saturday night's game, the defense like showed up, the defense led to offense, but like the defense was the key in the third quarter that led to just a dominant second half.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if this team can start to put it all together,
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: defense and offense and they did the second half tonight but I'm saying always they can consistently bring both of them like it's going to be unbelievable.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Up until tonight I would have said every game's basically a boat race who ever scored like fever half don't go wired a wire with the lead or they're just going to lose.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But tonight my goodness they turned it around so so hard in the third quarter.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They did.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was I was I was impressed with them today on the tail end of a backed back when he because the way that game came down to the way it did yesterday had the big lead and they fell behind by nine and then they had to rally to win.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: they're getting the win was key, but you have to spend so much energy when you do that.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you could tell that I thought when they came out in the first quarter, they looked a little flat because of last night, all that effort.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I give them credit because after that first quarter, they just, they board down and just got ready and picked it up on the defensive end and picked it up on the boards.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then Kelsey knocked down key shots and Sophie is Sophie off of the bench and the bench was huge.
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sophie tie hairs and Heinz Allen and Tensley.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were, they were huge.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Our bench scoring tonight was wonderful because we asked for the Liberty bench.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other story of the week, John.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is what they're getting out of Heinz Allen and Harrison.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Timpson as well, you mentioned Timpson a few time.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Raven Johnson is getting fewer minutes, but good minutes when we see her and she's a rookie, we know her role is going to continue to improve.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we're starting to see a lot of positives out of the bench.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ravens minutes have gone down because Ty Harris has started to play really well as the really good point card.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't even think it's really good reason.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think it's really necessarily slander us against Raven that she's losing minute.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ty's just playing so well that it's just taking some of the minutes away.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as a rookie, you kind of have to, you know, just understand that.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Timson, I think, is Timson has like, you know, taken a big step up.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And her defense has been really good.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really good.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting some really quality minutes out of Timson I think that could lead to a lot of positives in the second half of the season and our offense has been better too Yeah, absolutely.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all of the only thing offensively
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: with tension is she's learning to get a feel on how to cut where to flash because it's not always where like you know you could tell I think there was a time that Caitlyn last night she ended up with a on Friday I should say on they ended up with a turnover.
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was only because tension didn't go to the spot that Caitlyn was thrown to eat.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, you just used to that with Aliya.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's getting more familiar with those people.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her cuts aren't always real crisp like when you're expecting somebody.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just like her defensively and her blocks are fun.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, I, the blocked for me tonight was, uh, Monique Millings when she just stuffed I announced you because she had hang time.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she, she jumped really kind of early and just hung there and was still able to block the shot.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a great block.
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I want to go back to something you talked about a second ago, I think on last week's fever report, I said it's starting to feel like 2024 when people just weren't ready for Caitlin's passes to be where they were going to be, and then second half of 2024 they all just kind of got it and it started clicking.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the last two games we started to see the same thing, people are expecting to ball the B where it's going to be, and they're like,
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why in the preseason, I predicted that they would not be the top team in the regular season, but by the playoffs, they're going to be the best team in the WMBA.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what's happening, Michelle.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe it was last year you predicted no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: They've got to be, it's got to become consistent.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to see the same kind of efforts defensively and focus-wise against teams like Seattle that we have seen against the ACEs and now the liberty.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: we have to in the sun the sun worrying me I mean it worries me that not that we won't not that the fever won't win but it they that's another game they should win bit they should win big it's home be you know right before the all-star game three days rest but those are the games that we tend not
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: to play as sharp or as focused as needed.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be interested to see if we can put together another really strong defensive and focused effort on Wednesday.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think though it's the sun, even though it's not a solid team, I think of the fever are going to have motivation to come in and just really destroy them.
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they have motivation to come in and play really hard that night.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three nights off, no games after for a week, it seems like the Connecticut sun are in a lot of trouble.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the perfect transition as we look ahead to what's coming up, guys quick break will be right back.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, let's look ahead, and the only thing to look at to this week is the Connecticut sun, but let's go a little further than that after the All Star Break, unless you guys want to talk about the All Star Game, instead, go ahead and do that.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But three straight games on the road, Seattle, Portland, Minnesota, and that is a huge test for a team that's starting to play well.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I have to say about All Star Game really is just that I hope nobody gets hurt.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, I would kind of like,
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: are girls to take some rest because we're having to worry about Caitlyn every night.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's on the, she's on the problem list every night.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the Leah is lower leg injury is still nagging her clearly.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I would love for them to take the extra time off, but they're not going to do it.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing I was about, also I was, I would like to see Sophie in the three-point contest.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who the three-point contestants are, but I think Sophie deserves.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: shot the way she's been shooting lately, even though it's off the bench.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's just been unbelievably hot.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I want to say about the All-Star game is we will talk more about that on next week's fever report Sunday morning as the All-Star game is later that night and after the game on Wednesday, I hope we get a chance to do a reaction podcast if not Thursday
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: then Seattle, Portland, and Minnesota coming up after that.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the next time we play Seattle, even though it'll be on the road, I think we'll play better.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you look at the first quarter of that Seattle game, fever were dominant, and then they just kind of took their foot off the gas, and that's when it kind of started to let them back in the lead, or let them back in the game, and then they took a lead in the third quarter.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fire have been sneakily better than I think most people expected.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, if the fever keep playing with the pace that they need they are known for I think it shouldn't be a problem the links will be a must see game though that one will be That one will be telling about how the rest of the season could go I think.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That will be a good test and a good game to gauge for exactly where the fever are as they head into the second half.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, they have the all-star break and then they're going to play and then they're going to get the fever break later.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to the second half is going to be a little interesting.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys realize that if they still broke this down into conferences that the fever be in first place in the east?
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, all the good teams are in the west right now besides the liberty and dream who struggled a little bit, not played quite as well as expected.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the links are the links are in the east and there's what they be in the east.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: My bad.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you wish that they did east west standings or do you like it the way it is?
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think now that they're it's getting bigger, you're going to have to go to some kind of divisions.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that we'll have an extra by do think it will happen in a couple of years.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once all of these expansion teams get going because what they're still more coming next year.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the year after that, right?
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what I think it's going to be Troy and Houston.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brooklyn.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, Connecticut's going to Houston.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right.
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do it.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: One interesting thing when you look at the standing is that the top five all have over 500 for the last 10 games and everybody else is negative.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else is below 500.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of crazy.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess Washington's at five and five in Chicago is at five and five, but it's an interesting thing to look at.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely separating itself.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: As a tends to do when New York in seventh, really four through.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: seven kind of a are really tight.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was an important win over New York tonight.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys surprised by Dallas and or Golden State?
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little surprised that Golden State's in second maybe.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I had them as maybe a five six is supposed to a two at this point, but I'm not surprised that they're in the mix.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dallas, I think we kind of expected to be good.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you expected 16 and eight this year, at least I did.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I expected him to start being a playoff contender right now, not like in the foreseed.
• 16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm not shocked and because it's also tight there, they can easily drop down to eight in a few just one bad streak, one road trip that they don't do well on and they're down and eighth again.
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think people expect Jessica Shepard to have the year that she's having and she is having a tremendous year.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think Kelsey Mitchell should be up when people talk in B.P.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's I think her she should be mentioned and when it comes to the wings, I know pagebackers gets all of the major attention but Jessica Shepard is their most valuable player and is to me is another most valuable player candidate.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: the season she's having is just really phenomenal.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's been huge for Dallas.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The rookie of the year races over, right?
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like that secured after four we after a month.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought so.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just wasn't sure how everyone else was doing, but it's
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, Olivia Miles is really fun to watch, and she's playing really, really well.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's got a lot of passion.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed watching her games.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: The future of women's basketball could be incredible because the next generation is so much more talented than the previous generations and deeper, not necessarily that it's more talented, but deeper in talent.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys happen to hear Bill Simmons and Chuck Closterman there conversation about the WNBA?
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: As you guys know, I listen to Bill Simmons all the time.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know you somebody posted something about something they say, oh, that Sophie Cunningham would be vice president of the United States one day.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the conversation was focused around how the WNBA was blowing it.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: As you were talking about the talent, I was going to my follow up was going to be the WNBA has the potential to be amazing because it's getting really fun to watch if they get out of their own way.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have to get out of their own way and they have to let it be about sports and they have to stop with all of the nonsense about just whatever random thing just all the nonsense just pick whichever outrage Thing that the players are gripping about you want to complain about and and this is the issue there's multiple
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: right all the time.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't want to get too deep in any of this, but I do think it needs to be said.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if we've already talked about it or mine, me, but it can be true that we don't want players receiving hateful comments.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We all can agree that that's of course.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, none of us want that.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what do they expect the league to do?
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The internet is going to be the internet.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: The internet has been that way since the beginning of the internet.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: the fringes of our society or the fringes of our society and there's not much you can do about those idiots.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're going to be, they're always going to be racist.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're always going to be idiots.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I think the league could do better maybe is they have messed up so many times on the marketing, just on how they market.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So bad.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if they were just better at marketing the league and not, they created some of
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: this rift and i think they've created they've allowed some of this racism things to go on because they've just the league off the president i don't have the same kind of power and i don't think she's i don't think Kathy's gonna be around much like did you guys see where david stern said that they're they don't know about the future her staying honest commissioner and some things that he david stern came
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: and being her being politically, it was too much, it was politics and it wasn't.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I, hold on, he also said that she doesn't want any part of it, which I agree with.
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It made me want to choke because I actually had to agree with David Stern.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but David Stern, Adam Silver, my dad.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Adam Silver, you're my dad.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with the commissioner of the NBA that
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Caitlyn just wants to play basketball and she is being used by both fringes, the fringes of society.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not taking aside by any means because I think they're both idiots.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you take the hard right and the hard left, both are ridiculous.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: but Caitlyn just wants to play basketball and people are trying to use her and her name now.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also ridiculous for people to ask her to denounce all that every single time there's anything.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not her job.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: She isn't the one causing it.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why should she have to apologize?
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Larry Bird ignored it.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: to the point that it went away, but that was a different time and it just doesn't go away anymore.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, there was a social media back then.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that you get all these crazy and these body counts on social media and all these AI stuff.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's terrible.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's also like.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: The league either has to do what they have to like just say our players aren't allowed to be on social media, which they're not like that's not going to be allowed because they players need the social media to market themselves and the first amendment would not allow that either.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well that that too, but I'm just saying like as at my job, I have to be careful what I put on social media because they can do.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm saying like, but the other side of it is Kathy statement the other day about like,
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if you're going to make that stupid statement, like it is what it is, but if you're going to come denounce it, then just bands fan dual and band draft kinks from being allowed to post WMBA games, they won't, they won't do that, so, but if you're not going to, if you're not going to say that you don't, if you're going to sit there and talk trash about gambling and sports betting, you can't take their money Kathy.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, that one hit me really wrong.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: You guys know I, I place a few bets here and there.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, it's tiny amounts.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, the biggest bet I ever place is like 10 bucks.
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's like a, you know, if I'm sure I'm betting 10 bucks.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because to me, it's just recreation.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes the game a little bit more exciting.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if these people, I will say the gambling sites have done that for people, kind of carefree gambling, you kind of get your enjoyment out of gambling without, without wrecking yourself.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the best, I mean, societies proven, like, through these messages and hateful attacks on players that they can't handle it, if you can't handle losing your 10 bucks or your five bucks or your dollar, whatever you spent, if you can't handle it, you shouldn't be playing at all.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to sit there and swear, hateful messages of people,
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, the major point is this is not the responsibility of the league.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody who are being hateful are going to be hateful about something, whether it's about the WMBA gambling or something.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're hateful, and that's all there is to.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But also, I'm a little tired of everybody trying to be a victim of every single thing.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to go into details, but it's more than just the league, but I think this league has a higher percentage of people who
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other circles I'm in, sure seems like it.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I will say this.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do think, I do think Adam Silver coming out like he did.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you've noticed the last couple games, Caitlin is taking now granted part of it is your plan.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's taking less of a pounding and she's getting to the line.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're calling the things.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Seems to be a little better.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's, I think that is,
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's for I always use like it did happen after his his thing now.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know she was upset on that screen, but that was a perfectly legal screen.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: She needs to be screaming at her teammates for now Coloring that the screen was there because I would want to run into John Coyle Jones myself.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she got tecked up early in the night and I think that the rest did that to kind of shut her up quick because they knew she knew she had to Chill out or she's gonna get another one.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: She knew she couldn't get a second one.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when she got that first attack in the front like I I text my daughter And said I'm pretty sure that was to send the message to Caitlin to chill Because that was a pretty girl.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was a pretty quick one.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I Understand and I'm not even mad at Caitlin for being passionate and I don't even care if she gets to text sometimes because that's just part of who she is.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm I'm cool with it
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tonight's, I thought was like, was a message from the refs.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to deal with you.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I just, I don't know that Adam Silver's message about that really affected how the last two games were officiated.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think people are going to say it matters.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it really had any major impact.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think he's thinking like a business person saying, we've got to stop all this narrative around the games and let Caitlin be Caitlin and let these games
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alright guys, thanks for about an extra 10 minute bonus there, talking about the podcast and the reaction and the WMBA final thoughts before we go, and again reminder, we're going to try to have a reaction to the Connecticut sun game either after the game on Wednesday or Thursday sometime, and the fever report next Saturday talking about the all-star game, and post all-star game, Michelle your final thoughts.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm meant to make a mention of this, and our texture is where I will say this.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that Coach White has given the replay challenge job to a different assistant because she's challenging more, and I'm notice she's not looking in the same place.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: When she goes to that, and because they're one night, and I mean, the fans boot her bit.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: She looked, and I could see her making that signal with her hands hurry up and let me know.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time, and they didn't get it.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't challenge it, and I have noticed it's that has changed, so, and maybe I'm totally wrong.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for listening to our podcast Coach White.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: She took Michelle's advice, John.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it seems better.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The last couple games have been better.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, all the things that Michelle wants to see defense and better challenges That I was in the better challenge team.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you were you were the better you were the leader of that one You're like I love Stephanie white but fire her if she does not make better decisions on the challenge calls
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I don't really have anything to final add other than I just love the last three games, have gone way better.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna find a way.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've gone through waves of happiness and excitement and a lot of waves of, like, come on, just, you know, it's almost like you're watching your high school team and the kids you know that have potential and not live up to it.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of that and like even ridden the waves so we're currently on up.
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope we can keep it on and up through all star.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for all the people that think that the girls aren't with the locker room is toxic or whatever.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's ridiculous.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can actually see, they love each other so much.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks everybody for listening, Rokewick, 78 points, and back to back nights by teammates that has to be a record for the WMBA right.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about, man, those two are like, I don't know who can really keep up with them when they're hitting.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Best-back best-guards in the league.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Best-guard tandem in the league.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll agree with that.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, guys.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, John.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Michelle.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for listening.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back on Thursday.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, Indie Car Reaction on Sunday.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Central and Dana Sports Report is a product of ITG media.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I love Susie.