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- 0:10Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy the Show with your hosts Adam Todd
- 0:16Speaker 1: Brown and Conor mix Pattern. Hey everybody, Hey, welcome to
- 0:33Speaker 1: Conspiracy the Show. Actually I pronounced that wrong. Conspiracy the Show.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Shouldn't if that's your real name, shouldn't it be Conspiracy
- 0:43Speaker 2: the Show.
- 0:44Speaker 1: No, No, because that would imply there's questions.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Here like co conspiracy.
- 0:50Speaker 1: And I usually launch into these knowing how I feel
- 0:52Speaker 1: about them.
- 0:53Speaker 3: I like to I like to think of it more
- 0:54Speaker 3: right away as like a perfume in the nineties.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Conspiracy, conspiracy. I bet there is a perfume called conspiracy.
- 1:02Speaker 1: It has to be, if not coming soon to the
- 1:05Speaker 1: un Pop's merch store which doesn't exist yet, but.
- 1:07Speaker 2: Soon which that store may or may not exist already.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Conspiracy.
- 1:12Speaker 2: You're gonna have to find it the fume.
- 1:15Speaker 1: We're gonna call it the fume for sure. It saves
- 1:17Speaker 1: me time. I didn't fume bottles hell. Yeah. Hey, you
- 1:23Speaker 1: might have noticed I have guests all just fucking chitter chattering.
- 1:28Speaker 1: Yeah over there in the other room. No, that's good,
- 1:31Speaker 1: that's Quincy Johnson. The second.
- 1:33Speaker 2: I would prefer you not shut up because I love
- 1:35Speaker 2: those dulcet tones. Thank you, sir, appreciate you.
- 1:38Speaker 1: And that was obviously Danger Van Gordon. Hi, everybody back
- 1:41Speaker 1: for the first time.
- 1:42Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be here, Like he never lived
- 1:45Speaker 2: Danger and I hope that's how people feel about Danger
- 1:47Speaker 2: is a new dad. But you, guys, I mean on
- 1:51Speaker 2: the way over here, I was thinking that he's gonna
- 1:53Speaker 2: cut me off, you know, because there's but that's a
- 1:55Speaker 2: different show, podcast show. So guys had a bit on one.
- 2:00Speaker 2: You're lucky I had a baby. She's gorgeous, she's very sweet.
- 2:05Speaker 2: I love her so much. And uh, and it's nice
- 2:08Speaker 2: to be sitting over here with the with the pair of.
- 2:10Speaker 1: Dads who get it with the bros.
- 2:12Speaker 3: Yeah you've been there is this officially dude to night out.
- 2:16Speaker 1: It is.
- 2:17Speaker 2: I'm very excited.
- 2:18Speaker 1: We should go get some jalapeno poppers after this. Yeah,
- 2:23Speaker 1: Miller lights an awesome blossom. I mean, I'm an awesome
- 2:27Speaker 1: or a blooming onionion. There is an outback in the
- 2:31Speaker 1: sin that's vicinity. Nice saves me lots of time when
- 2:34Speaker 1: I talk.
- 2:35Speaker 2: Nice, I like, where you where you're going with this?
- 2:38Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah? Yeah, they something to.
- 2:40Speaker 3: Be able to shorten one of those words. I was like,
- 2:42Speaker 3: they're already all short, this wasn't a good move.
- 2:46Speaker 1: Danger.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Huh.
- 2:47Speaker 1: You've been on an episode of conspiracy before, right.
- 2:50Speaker 2: I have. It's where you widely speculate, be often baselessly, uh,
- 2:55Speaker 2: and provide no evidence supporting.
- 2:58Speaker 1: That's not true at all, wasn't it?
- 2:59Speaker 2: Boxing, Bro?
- 3:00Speaker 1: What did we talk about on your episode?
- 3:03Speaker 2: I think I was in an early one regarding Courtney
- 3:07Speaker 2: Love's definite murder of.
- 3:10Speaker 1: Oh sure o Vain. Yeah, well, that's an easy one.
- 3:13Speaker 2: And I think I did another one with Connor way
- 3:16Speaker 2: back in the back, but I can't remember because I
- 3:18Speaker 2: just remember sitting there going like, oh man, he's so intimidating.
- 3:21Speaker 2: He's very funny Connor Connor.
- 3:23Speaker 1: What's intimidating about Connor?
- 3:25Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I'm so I'm so positive
- 3:28Speaker 2: and upbeat, or I try to be, or I pretend
- 3:29Speaker 2: to be so.
- 3:30Speaker 1: Overall. What's your stance on conspiracy theories?
- 3:34Speaker 2: I generally I'm suspicious of those in power. I'm suspicious
- 3:40Speaker 2: of those who try to protect their power. But I
- 3:43Speaker 2: also I tend to keep a somewhat skeptical mind. But
- 3:48Speaker 2: more to the point is I don't spend a lot
- 3:50Speaker 2: of my brain power on these kinds of things off.
- 3:55Speaker 2: You know, I don't go digging that out, but I
- 3:57Speaker 2: did on the way home. Textpect like we're about to
- 3:59Speaker 2: make some terry changes in this household.
- 4:01Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is horrifying. Quincy. You've never Quincy, you've
- 4:05Speaker 1: never been on a conspiracy pod? Right?
- 4:07Speaker 2: Uh?
- 4:07Speaker 1: No, I had you booked on one, and then you
- 4:09Speaker 1: were never on speaking of conspiracies.
- 4:12Speaker 2: Uh huh, where did you go?
- 4:14Speaker 3: I can't tell you. Yeah, I tell you, but then
- 4:16Speaker 3: I'd have to kill you. You call it like a
- 4:18Speaker 3: black bag operation.
- 4:19Speaker 2: Wow?
- 4:21Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, maybe back when you were you were a kid,
- 4:24Speaker 3: black bags were okay, But yeah, we.
- 4:25Speaker 2: Don't black bag it anymore, you know what I mean?
- 4:27Speaker 1: Yeah, we're recording this close to Halloween, semi translucent bag
- 4:30Speaker 1: from which you can have a general sense of your surroundings.
- 4:33Speaker 1: But I wouldn't I.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Like a nice transgender bag.
- 4:39Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that, Quincy. What are you
- 4:43Speaker 1: one that normally takes to conspiracy theories?
- 4:46Speaker 3: Just as long as if it makes enough sense, I
- 4:49Speaker 3: don't have to fill in a bunch of gaps there.
- 4:52Speaker 3: There are several conspiracies where I go, now there's something
- 4:55Speaker 3: to it.
- 4:55Speaker 2: It may not. I don't know the full story. But no,
- 4:57Speaker 2: there is something to this.
- 4:58Speaker 1: I feel almost a responsibility at this point in the
- 5:04Speaker 1: history of the United States to sort of stick up
- 5:08Speaker 1: for the idea of conspiracy theories because it's becoming a
- 5:12Speaker 1: word or a phrase that has such a stigma to it.
- 5:16Speaker 1: And I think this episode is a good example of how,
- 5:21Speaker 1: whether people like it or not, conspiracies do happen. And
- 5:26Speaker 1: all a conspiracy really is is a bunch of people
- 5:30Speaker 1: working together toward the same goal. But they're trying to
- 5:33Speaker 1: keep that a secret. That happens all the time. You know.
- 5:37Speaker 2: I think we did that twice yesterday. Yeah, that makes sense.
- 5:40Speaker 1: We send people to prison, We send people to prison
- 5:44Speaker 1: for committing conspiracy, so it stands to reason that our
- 5:49Speaker 1: government would probably engage in some conspiracy activities and organizations.
- 5:54Speaker 2: Well don't commit the kind of acts that individuals do.
- 5:57Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point. Yeah no, but they do.
- 6:00Speaker 1: Oh okay, And today we're talking about because it's halloween esque.
- 6:06Speaker 2: When this comes out, Oh my god, what's Halloween.
- 6:10Speaker 1: It's a shitty Jamie Lee Curtis reboot.
- 6:14Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, don's so fucking bad. I don't want
- 6:16Speaker 2: to see it.
- 6:16Speaker 1: That's the conspiracy I want to explore next. How is
- 6:20Speaker 1: the Halloween reboot getting the reviews? It's getting that movie
- 6:23Speaker 1: is trash.
- 6:24Speaker 3: Everybody in Hollywood knows dirt on somebody else. It's how
- 6:27Speaker 3: much dirt do you throw a good party? You get
- 6:30Speaker 3: enough dirt, you work forever. Jamie Fox will always work, you.
- 6:33Speaker 1: Know, Jamie Lee Curtis, but Jamie Fox too.
- 6:35Speaker 2: I would like to add the recent Nick cage Mandy.
- 6:39Speaker 1: No, Mandy's dope, man, don't even try it.
- 6:41Speaker 2: Dumb. Mandy is dumb. It's a slo like. People are like,
- 6:45Speaker 2: what about the troll commercial with the macaroni and cheese
- 6:48Speaker 2: that had nothing to do with anything? And he stares
- 6:51Speaker 2: at it for like two and a half minutes and
- 6:53Speaker 2: then he leaves. His wife was murdered and he's gonna
- 6:58Speaker 2: watch a commercial.
- 6:59Speaker 3: Wait, yeah, isn't that a very mental It's like the
- 7:03Speaker 3: thirty seconds he took out of his day to focus
- 7:07Speaker 3: on the real world, and the real world.
- 7:09Speaker 1: Was that crazy shit. So it was like, oh, everything's
- 7:12Speaker 1: crazy there too. Well, you're wrong, and I bet you'll
- 7:15Speaker 1: like Halloween.
- 7:17Speaker 2: I don't like scare movies anyway. Movies are just supposed
- 7:19Speaker 2: to be scared.
- 7:20Speaker 1: So we're talking about two things. We're talking about sodium sickliment,
- 7:24Speaker 1: which is an artificial sweetener.
- 7:27Speaker 2: Sexually transmitted disease.
- 7:29Speaker 1: It does sound like that. It does for sure. It's
- 7:32Speaker 1: it's an.
- 7:32Speaker 2: Art Limit's it good boy?
- 7:35Speaker 1: It is in making sure I didn't stir the dog.
- 7:39Speaker 1: So it's an artificial sweetener. It's currently used all around
- 7:42Speaker 1: the world. It is usually mixed with saccharin in a
- 7:46Speaker 1: ten to one mixture. Least potent of all the artificial sweeteners,
- 7:51Speaker 1: less expensive than most artificial sweeteners.
- 7:53Speaker 2: Had you want to know what the what the best
- 7:56Speaker 2: most effective natural sweeteners is My sweet baby girl who
- 8:00Speaker 2: she's so sweet?
- 8:02Speaker 1: Is she's stable underheating so she can be used for baking.
- 8:05Speaker 2: Well, I mean she's nice in one money put it
- 8:07Speaker 2: in a sling and he I feel like cuddle up
- 8:10Speaker 2: and like she's so cumfy. How does she make a
- 8:12Speaker 2: sac though?
- 8:13Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we don't.
- 8:14Speaker 2: We We feed her only the most nutritious.
- 8:15Speaker 1: She approved for use in beverages.
- 8:18Speaker 2: She is decidedly not okay, she tends to well then
- 8:23Speaker 2: right now the score voice is saccharine was baby?
- 8:26Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like your baby is not approved by
- 8:30Speaker 1: the FDA. I'm very sorry, she has blue eyes.
- 8:33Speaker 2: I've got brown eyes.
- 8:35Speaker 1: How do they taste? That's the only question. That's the
- 8:38Speaker 1: second eating a baby joke I've made in as many weeks,
- 8:42Speaker 1: and both times to new parents.
- 8:44Speaker 2: You're gonna have a lot more opportunities because this whole
- 8:47Speaker 2: time I was just like sweet, like my baby girl.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Yeah, we had we had a dispute. I'm pretty scary
- 8:52Speaker 1: about whether I would eat Caitlyn or whether I would
- 8:55Speaker 1: eat carry if we're stranded on an island. And the
- 8:57Speaker 1: argument came up that, well, Caitlyn has a kid, so
- 8:59Speaker 1: I have to spare Caitlin. And then that turned into
- 9:02Speaker 1: a whole argument. So I decided I would.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Just eat the kid, and the kid she'll be cutting
- 9:06Speaker 2: two right, Okay.
- 9:07Speaker 1: Like Ted Williams, So reference back to No, it's not
- 9:12Speaker 1: so back to sodium sickliment. It's like I said, stable underheating,
- 9:16Speaker 1: so you can use it to bake, which I don't
- 9:18Speaker 1: think is the case with a lot of artificial sweetness.
- 9:20Speaker 1: Maybe some Discovered in nineteen thirty seven at the University
- 9:24Speaker 1: of Illinois by graduate student Michael Sveda, this is so
- 9:29Speaker 1: fucking great. He was working on a synthesis of anti medication,
- 9:34Speaker 1: anti fever medication. And at one point he set his
- 9:37Speaker 1: cigarette down and when he put it back in his mouth,
- 9:40Speaker 1: he noticed it tasted sweet. And that's how sodium sickliment
- 9:43Speaker 1: was invented.
- 9:44Speaker 2: It's the thirties, we're doing chemistry while flavoring our tea zones.
- 9:47Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, it's just great to know that this
- 9:49Speaker 3: young man was in a lab working on a anti
- 9:52Speaker 3: virus while smoking a cigarette. That's what I'm saying, because
- 9:56Speaker 3: it's mad men all the time. Baby, Yeah, it's there's
- 10:00Speaker 3: no way we're going to contaminate any of what we're
- 10:02Speaker 3: experimenting with. I'm smoking a goddamn cigarette over the test too.
- 10:06Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ba beggs. And then he put it in
- 10:08Speaker 2: his mouth. He put it into the powder. He put
- 10:11Speaker 2: it in his mouth.
- 10:12Speaker 1: Yeah, what a fun side effect. I would not like
- 10:16Speaker 1: if my cigarette went in the powder. I'd be like
- 10:19Speaker 1: time for another cigarette.
- 10:20Speaker 3: Time out. Do you know how much a pack of
- 10:23Speaker 3: cigarette costs.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Bro back then? Probably like fourteen cents.
- 10:26Speaker 2: That's so much money back then, Yeah, that allows and dollars.
- 10:29Speaker 2: I recently started teaching science to kids, and the first
- 10:32Speaker 2: rule I tell him is pay attention. And the second
- 10:34Speaker 2: rule is don't eat the science the This guy was
- 10:38Speaker 2: not listening to that. These are fourth and fifth criders
- 10:40Speaker 2: I'm talking to.
- 10:41Speaker 1: There was some clothing blend that we always made jokes
- 10:46Speaker 1: about in my chemistry class in high school because it
- 10:49Speaker 1: would They would always tell us it would catch on
- 10:51Speaker 1: fire and they called it like Ramie or something, and
- 10:53Speaker 1: we just always made jokes about, hey, is what you're
- 10:57Speaker 1: wearing Ramie right now? And catch on fire like Sam Rainey.
- 11:00Speaker 1: And then someone caught on fire and died. Whoa that
- 11:05Speaker 1: that didn't just set someone on fire? I did not.
- 11:07Speaker 1: That was just jokes. Kill a kid, not that, not
- 11:10Speaker 1: in that way.
- 11:12Speaker 2: On fire. Yeah, okay, puppy gets it. Puppy gets it.
- 11:17Speaker 2: She is acting carnivore.
- 11:19Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how sodium sickliment was invented, which, right
- 11:23Speaker 1: off the bat, that's an amazing story. And it was
- 11:26Speaker 1: designated as g R A S which means generally regarded
- 11:30Speaker 1: as safe.
- 11:31Speaker 2: I feel reed already, right, guess are generally regarded as safe.
- 11:37Speaker 1: Generally regarded as safe by the FDA in nineteen fifty eight.
- 11:41Speaker 1: At that point, it was marketed to diabetics in tablet
- 11:44Speaker 1: and liquid form as a safe alternative to sugar.
- 11:47Speaker 2: Oh, we didn't kill anybody, so that's cool.
- 11:49Speaker 1: Well, No, here's the thing, the sodium cyclement half of
- 11:52Speaker 1: this podcast. This is what we should have, Like, sodium
- 11:56Speaker 1: sycliment is what should be in our sweeteners in the
- 11:59Speaker 1: United States. It's approved in one hundred and thirty other countries,
- 12:03Speaker 1: and it's not. And it's uh. It's it's insane. The
- 12:08Speaker 1: reason why it's not it's uh. But by nineteen sixty nine,
- 12:12Speaker 1: Nice sales of sicklement had reached one billion dollars.
- 12:17Speaker 3: Wow, call me sweet thing right sixty nine and I
- 12:20Speaker 3: got a billion.
- 12:23Speaker 1: That was Sexy Eagle flying through the sky. So what
- 12:27Speaker 1: happened in nineteen sixty nine? Is everyone familiar with what
- 12:30Speaker 1: happened with DDT.
- 12:31Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the wrestling finishing move made famous by
- 12:34Speaker 3: Jacob Snake Roberts.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 12:35Speaker 2: Also double I was doing. I was doing comedy mankind
- 12:38Speaker 2: we can we can get the Yeah, their deeds.
- 12:41Speaker 1: That's why I was Yeah, that's d D that's no,
- 12:45Speaker 1: that is DDT. It's done your cheap TNT.
- 12:49Speaker 2: Okay, what you're thinking of I'm thinking of Thunderstruck now yeah, yeah,
- 12:55Speaker 2: overrated bands can't wait to see their bullshit movie theaters too.
- 13:01Speaker 1: Shout out to Bohemian Rhapsody. I cannot wait to not
- 13:03Speaker 1: watch that. Yeah, I think there are singles. Band name
- 13:09Speaker 1: your three favorite queen albums? Uh no, okay, I rest
- 13:13Speaker 1: my case. So what happened with sodium sickliment? The reason
- 13:17Speaker 1: I asked about DDT. DDT is the product that basically
- 13:22Speaker 1: eliminated malaria at one point in history, and like eliminated
- 13:27Speaker 1: malaria to the point that in Sri Lanka or Sri
- 13:30Speaker 1: Lanka at the time, they had millions of DDT cases
- 13:34Speaker 1: or malaria cases the year before DDT started being used,
- 13:38Speaker 1: and then the next year they had like four And
- 13:41Speaker 1: we stopped spraying DDT because of a scientific study that
- 13:45Speaker 1: claimed it was bad for a certain type of bird
- 13:50Speaker 1: and it was endangering this bird habitat. So we stopped
- 13:56Speaker 1: using a product that saved millions of lives.
- 13:58Speaker 2: How strong was the science behind that.
- 14:00Speaker 1: It was so broken, it was so flawed, It was
- 14:05Speaker 1: junk science, and we've still just always left it banned.
- 14:10Speaker 3: You're trying to tell you're trying to tell me right
- 14:12Speaker 3: now that in nineteen sixty nine we didn't have science
- 14:15Speaker 3: figured out.
- 14:16Speaker 1: I think we had it figured out, but the rest,
- 14:19Speaker 1: like the public, didn't, so they could just tell us
- 14:21Speaker 1: anything and we'd be like, oh, okay, I believe that
- 14:24Speaker 1: because we've.
- 14:25Speaker 2: Already we already had.
- 14:27Speaker 3: We had sexuality, race relations, science, and climate change all
- 14:32Speaker 3: figured out.
- 14:33Speaker 1: By If I recall, through most of the sixties, race
- 14:35Speaker 1: relations were fine.
- 14:36Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm on the upswing, is what it was.
- 14:40Speaker 1: Yeah, you did everything figured out?
- 14:42Speaker 3: What like, why would you not why would you ever
- 14:43Speaker 3: question any research that was like if it's presented to
- 14:46Speaker 3: you in the sixties, we knew what we were talking about.
- 14:48Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all of it makes sense.
- 14:50Speaker 1: We were smart.
- 14:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 14:51Speaker 1: Uh So the first controversy around this started based on
- 14:55Speaker 1: a the finding of a nineteen sixty nine study by
- 14:58Speaker 1: doctor Jacqueline Verrett Jackiev. Jackie V injected chicken eggs with
- 15:05Speaker 1: concentrated solutions of sick limit and found that upon hatching,
- 15:10Speaker 1: every chick was born with malformations and defects.
- 15:13Speaker 2: So she's it makes perfect sense here. So she's taking
- 15:16Speaker 2: what I assume is an unsterilized needle and jamming it
- 15:20Speaker 2: into a pre the pre born, and then squirting a
- 15:27Speaker 2: chemical substance into that as it's in its development. Rightage.
- 15:30Speaker 1: I mean the needle might have been sterilized, who knows.
- 15:32Speaker 3: But also you're injecting a foreign entity into a developing
- 15:38Speaker 3: womb and saying it came out weird. Yeah, and it's
- 15:43Speaker 3: a funny chicken.
- 15:44Speaker 1: And she presented her findings on a segment of NBC's
- 15:48Speaker 1: Hontly Brinkley Report.
- 15:50Speaker 2: I think the first version of that report was just
- 15:53Speaker 2: I hit it with hammers that were laced with it,
- 15:55Speaker 2: and then they and then they all died. The birds
- 15:57Speaker 2: not fly, No, it never even became stick with birds fly.
- 16:02Speaker 2: If I put some stuff on top of a flamethrower
- 16:05Speaker 2: and then I flame rose them, then they never become birds.
- 16:09Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys. But nevertheless, this is when public sentiment
- 16:13Speaker 1: turned against sodium seplement.
- 16:15Speaker 2: She was, she was on one of these, she was
- 16:18Speaker 2: on TV, She's on one of the big three networks.
- 16:20Speaker 1: And the thing is her study was trash, but what
- 16:23Speaker 1: is garbage sign?
- 16:24Speaker 3: But what did it say on Wikipedia? Did anybody check Wikipedia?
- 16:27Speaker 1: Wikipedia was still on paper then, so it took a
- 16:30Speaker 1: while for it to s well.
- 16:31Speaker 3: Cyclo If nobody checked Wikipedia, you can't blame this scientist
- 16:34Speaker 3: for making a bad mistake because she didn't Nobody double checked.
- 16:37Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we didn't without Wikipedia. Can any mistakes
- 16:42Speaker 1: made in the past actually be blamed on the people
- 16:44Speaker 1: who made them?
- 16:45Speaker 2: Did you check Wikipedia? From now on?
- 16:47Speaker 1: Kids?
- 16:47Speaker 3: If you have to write a research paper for school,
- 16:49Speaker 3: say you're in high school, maybe college? Just asked Heye,
- 16:53Speaker 3: did George Washington check Wikipedia?
- 16:55Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't trust him.
- 16:56Speaker 1: Did the Zodiac Killer google is killing bad?
- 16:59Speaker 2: Huh?
- 17:00Speaker 1: He couldn't, So how could he avoid it?
- 17:02Speaker 2: Yeah? How would he have known?
- 17:03Speaker 1: He or she?
- 17:04Speaker 2: Oprah didn't tell him that too? So have you?
- 17:07Speaker 1: Do you watch American Horror Story? No, there is American Vandal.
- 17:11Speaker 1: I think it's just a rumor within the American Horror
- 17:14Speaker 1: Story universe, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's real life. Also,
- 17:19Speaker 1: but what they suggest in the cult season of American
- 17:23Speaker 1: Horror Story is that the Zodiac Killer was actually a
- 17:26Speaker 1: group of radical feminists and.
- 17:29Speaker 2: That they got a funny way of showing it.
- 17:31Speaker 1: And that the men in charge of that investigation did
- 17:34Speaker 1: not want women to be credited with like getting over
- 17:38Speaker 1: on the cops and doing all these fucking murders. So
- 17:41Speaker 1: they're like, Ah, it's dude, Uh huh, who knows?
- 17:44Speaker 2: That seems seems a little thin.
- 17:46Speaker 1: So yeah, this study was complete junk science for starters.
- 17:52Speaker 1: She injected that. For one thing, she injected the eggs like,
- 17:56Speaker 1: your mom isn't gonna fucking stab you with a already
- 18:00Speaker 1: in sicklement needle while you're in the womb. This is hey,
- 18:04Speaker 1: her body, her choice, bro, So that's a good point, hey,
- 18:06Speaker 1: come on. And she also injected the eggs with more
- 18:11Speaker 1: sickliment than a human could eat before getting set Go
- 18:15Speaker 1: big or go yeah real quick?
- 18:17Speaker 2: Can we do some math here? Does a human being
- 18:19Speaker 2: weigh the same as as the chicken embryo inside an egg?
- 18:24Speaker 1: Well, you have to think in comparison to body weight,
- 18:27Speaker 1: all right with things like this, all right, like walk
- 18:30Speaker 1: me through it.
- 18:30Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't matter about the bodyway comparison. Whatever amount
- 18:35Speaker 3: she put into this chicken egg was an amount that
- 18:38Speaker 3: a normal human being could not ingest. So any you pick,
- 18:42Speaker 3: any size person, they could not ingest the amount of
- 18:44Speaker 3: sweetener she shoved into this oval.
- 18:46Speaker 1: Right without getting sick, at which point your body wouldn't
- 18:49Speaker 1: even metabolize it. So it's not going to give you
- 18:51Speaker 1: any kind of disease.
- 18:53Speaker 2: Right, See, things I already understood that I just want
- 18:55Speaker 2: everybody else.
- 18:56Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think everyone got it except you. That's
- 19:00Speaker 1: what I think. I got it.
- 19:01Speaker 2: I got it first.
- 19:02Speaker 1: So a second study appears a few weeks later after
- 19:08Speaker 1: this one, and it claims that lab rats were developing
- 19:11Speaker 1: cancer because of cyclament consumption. Is this is where I
- 19:16Speaker 1: suspect someone in the sugar industry was probably going to
- 19:21Speaker 1: these people and being like, hey, if you can gin
- 19:24Speaker 1: up some science saying that that's Cyclement's bad, we'll give
- 19:27Speaker 1: you some money. See people talk like that all the
- 19:29Speaker 1: way through to the eighties. I'm just warning you now.
- 19:32Speaker 2: Because some some I mean, I don't want to root
- 19:35Speaker 2: for a chemical company A or over a chemical company B.
- 19:37Speaker 2: But a chemical company is putting out this suddin scyclement
- 19:40Speaker 2: shit right right, and someone else, so I assume with
- 19:43Speaker 2: a competing sweetener might be well suited to tamp down
- 19:48Speaker 2: the sales of the safer alternative to their own product.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, that is that's what I suspect happened here.
- 19:57Speaker 1: But it's like sixty nine, So what nice, nice sixty You're.
- 20:06Speaker 2: Such a dad bro.
- 20:07Speaker 3: He just missed a total sixty nine Yeah, total refund
- 20:10Speaker 3: for reference by the way, Yeah, reference good job.
- 20:13Speaker 1: Saves you time to talk.
- 20:15Speaker 2: And every time, and it's funny.
- 20:19Speaker 1: Uh so what this motherfucker did? He claimed tumors were
- 20:24Speaker 1: found in the urinary bladders in eight rats out of
- 20:28Speaker 1: eighty that received twenty six hundred milligrams per kilogram of
- 20:32Speaker 1: body weight per day a ten to one sickliment saccharine
- 20:36Speaker 1: mixture for up to one hundred and five weeks.
- 20:38Speaker 2: It sounds like a lot.
- 20:39Speaker 1: Here's the thing. In human terms, this would be like
- 20:42Speaker 1: consuming three hundred and fifty to five hundred and fifty
- 20:46Speaker 1: cans of diet soda every day.
- 20:49Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, that sound I mean, I mean mildly unreasonable.
- 20:52Speaker 2: It sounds borderline impossible.
- 20:55Speaker 3: Don't say impossible unless you never tried it. Because I
- 20:58Speaker 3: believe in myself.
- 20:59Speaker 2: Okay, I do.
- 21:00Speaker 1: Like a diet soda.
- 21:01Speaker 2: That's about four thousand ounces of soda.
- 21:04Speaker 1: I thought you were going to look up like how
- 21:06Speaker 1: much time? I don't know. I guess we won't know.
- 21:08Speaker 2: It now you explode, you explode.
- 21:11Speaker 3: Yeah, I just love that these The sodium cyclamate is
- 21:16Speaker 3: still banned in the US today to this day, the
- 21:20Speaker 3: same way like him has a bad reputation in the
- 21:24Speaker 3: South because of all the propaganda that was spread that
- 21:29Speaker 3: was so dangerous when it was going to take over
- 21:31Speaker 3: the cointe industry.
- 21:32Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's to this day, there's no actual science
- 21:39Speaker 1: that supports the idea that sodium syclement is bad for
- 21:43Speaker 1: a person. And both of those studies were outed eventually
- 21:47Speaker 1: as bad science. The doctor in the second study himself
- 21:51Speaker 1: even at one point was like, yeah, I was just
- 21:54Speaker 1: like I was just like fucking around in the lab
- 21:56Speaker 1: and not that anyone paid me.
- 21:59Speaker 3: Right now, I mean, how did you get enough to
- 22:01Speaker 3: study this for one hundred and five weeks?
- 22:03Speaker 2: Eh? I was there. Yeah, you know, I just had
- 22:05Speaker 2: to just check into work every day.
- 22:07Speaker 3: It was a tough bay to get a paycheck, you know,
- 22:09Speaker 3: you know, eating rat sugar and then saying, oh there,
- 22:12Speaker 3: this would look sick.
- 22:13Speaker 1: Car. A couple spare birds of cyclament from my connect
- 22:16Speaker 1: in Texas had to do something with it.
- 22:18Speaker 2: I had to push that cyclament.
- 22:19Speaker 1: Son Street Abbott Laboratories, which had the patent on sodium cyclement.
- 22:25Speaker 1: They were unable to produce the sixty nine test results.
- 22:29Speaker 1: Dozens of studies since then have determined that cyclments are
- 22:33Speaker 1: safe for human consumption and are not a carcinogen. In
- 22:36Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, the Cancer Assessment Committee of the FDA
- 22:40Speaker 1: concluded that cyclment is not carcinergic carcinogenic. The findings were
- 22:45Speaker 1: confirmed in eighty cars. It's carcinogenic. Yes, carcinogenic. Your carcinogenic
- 22:52Speaker 1: carcinogenic findings. Findings were confirmed in eighty five in an
- 22:57Speaker 1: independent evaluation of the report by the US National Academy
- 23:01Speaker 1: of Sciences.
- 23:01Speaker 2: I was confirmed in nineteen eighty five. June fourth, nineteen
- 23:04Speaker 2: eighty five. That's that's my confirmation when I Hey, you
- 23:07Speaker 2: don't whisper on the podcast.
- 23:08Speaker 1: It's an audio me.
- 23:09Speaker 2: Your dad confirmed your mom nine months before that.
- 23:12Speaker 1: Ah, oh, your dad totally fucked your mom.
- 23:17Speaker 2: Bro, dude, nice, we missed.
- 23:22Speaker 1: Hey, how about that?
- 23:23Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of sad that it took two
- 23:25Speaker 2: times for a standard American high five.
- 23:27Speaker 1: High fied me not from this. Yeah, you fucked up too.
- 23:29Speaker 1: You didn't even get your arm up in the air. Bro,
- 23:31Speaker 1: couldn't do it.
- 23:32Speaker 2: I had two tables and two microphones in the way,
- 23:34Speaker 2: and I respect your equipment.
- 23:37Speaker 1: Shots fired. Also agencies including the Food and Agriculture Organization,
- 23:42Speaker 1: World Health Organizations Joint Expert Committee on Food Additives, The
- 23:46Speaker 1: Scientific Committee on Food of the U of the European Commission,
- 23:50Speaker 1: and food safety authorities in Mexico have all analyzed sicklement
- 23:54Speaker 1: and approved it for use in a wide range of
- 23:56Speaker 1: food products and beverages.
- 23:58Speaker 3: Coach question probably or any of those entities you just
- 24:01Speaker 3: named American.
- 24:04Speaker 1: Yes, but for the sake of this bit, well pretend
- 24:06Speaker 1: they weren't fucked.
- 24:08Speaker 3: Fake news, Bro, I can't know. I can't trust your
- 24:10Speaker 3: your foreign science.
- 24:11Speaker 1: Yeah you know you're coming in here with your foreign
- 24:14Speaker 1: science questioning all American science.
- 24:17Speaker 3: The European Commission on Food they eat hagis over there. Yeah, bro, yeah,
- 24:23Speaker 3: I'm out hard past.
- 24:26Speaker 1: Go ahead, danger say something about France.
- 24:28Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the best meal I've ever had
- 24:30Speaker 2: was in Scotland, Glasgow, Scotland. Mother India is Indian food.
- 24:34Speaker 1: Oh well, time out.
- 24:35Speaker 2: The best food you had with Indian food in Scotland.
- 24:38Speaker 2: You're in Mother India. You're look it up, skeptical publish.
- 24:41Speaker 1: Chick and tika masala was invented in scottis're and you're
- 24:44Speaker 1: in the matrix because it was Indian food meant to
- 24:46Speaker 1: be consumed by white people.
- 24:48Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's the Sea, Glasgow, Scotland. There's no
- 24:53Speaker 2: there's I've never had a better meal. It's amazing.
- 24:55Speaker 1: Indian food is my favorite food. So I doubt that.
- 24:59Speaker 2: Have you had the greatest restaurant in this country? Taco Bell?
- 25:01Speaker 1: M He's got you there?
- 25:03Speaker 2: Hang on, there's a I got a couple of problems
- 25:05Speaker 2: with the qualifying sentence preceding the nomination.
- 25:09Speaker 3: I saw this on the Today Show. It was voted
- 25:11Speaker 3: the best Mexican restaurant.
- 25:13Speaker 2: Methodology do they use to find that?
- 25:16Speaker 1: Hood? The Harris poll?
- 25:19Speaker 2: What's the Harris poll? How do they have the fin
- 25:20Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, you don't even have a Nielsen
- 25:24Speaker 2: box on nations? Were the other nominees in that?
- 25:27Speaker 1: Do they?
- 25:27Speaker 2: I mean? Did they check MEXICALI in Los Angeles, California? Fantastic? Well, well,
- 25:32Speaker 2: this is the thing.
- 25:32Speaker 3: You got to understand it in a nationwide pole when
- 25:35Speaker 3: you go to places like where I'm from?
- 25:37Speaker 2: Where where are you from?
- 25:38Speaker 1: Uh?
- 25:38Speaker 3: Well, I claim Texas is home, but Mike, my currently
- 25:41Speaker 3: my mom lives in College Station, Texas. Right, So in
- 25:43Speaker 3: College Station, there's in Taco Bell.
- 25:45Speaker 2: Uh.
- 25:47Speaker 3: And like when I was a kid, like one other
- 25:50Speaker 3: Mexican restaurant that was terrible, so by default Taco bill
- 25:54Speaker 3: is the Mexican food was better than Castle was.
- 25:58Speaker 2: In the mall. I believe you that the food in the.
- 26:00Speaker 3: Mall is no.
- 26:03Speaker 2: We just got a five guys at the mall by
- 26:05Speaker 2: my house, five guys food. It's no longer good.
- 26:08Speaker 1: I do like a five guys.
- 26:09Speaker 2: Yeah, not no, but now it's mall foods.
- 26:12Speaker 1: So let's get back to sodium syclment.
- 26:15Speaker 2: Which is very sweet.
- 26:16Speaker 1: In two thousand, a paper was published describing the results
- 26:20Speaker 1: of a twenty four year long experiment in which sixteen
- 26:25Speaker 1: monkeys were fed a normal diet and twenty one monkeys
- 26:29Speaker 1: were fed either one hundred or five hundred milligrams of
- 26:33Speaker 1: sicklement per day. That higher dose would be about thirty
- 26:36Speaker 1: cans of diet soda to day. Still gross, Two high
- 26:39Speaker 1: dose and one lower dose monkeys were found to have
- 26:42Speaker 1: malignant cancer. Each had a different kind of cancer, though,
- 26:46Speaker 1: so authors of the study concluded that it failed to
- 26:48Speaker 1: demonstrate that sicklement was carcinogenic. You got it, and because
- 26:52Speaker 1: I know how to pronounce it, I've just been talking
- 26:55Speaker 1: all day, but you got it. Shut up. Yeah. So,
- 26:59Speaker 1: because the answers were all different, there was no way
- 27:02Speaker 1: to link syclement to any of them. So what I'm
- 27:05Speaker 1: getting at with the sodium sodium cyclement half of this
- 27:08Speaker 1: is that there are sweeteners out there that we should
- 27:12Speaker 1: be using and we're not. It's it's weird that there
- 27:15Speaker 1: are one hundred and thirty countries where this ship is approved.
- 27:19Speaker 2: But you need to get over those countries.
- 27:20Speaker 1: But it's I think just the US and South Korea
- 27:24Speaker 1: at this point where it's still banned for some reason.
- 27:28Speaker 2: Markets for Hyundai.
- 27:29Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, who's the lobbyist for sodium cycle,
- 27:32Speaker 3: Who's who's your lobbyist? Who are you pressing the flesh
- 27:34Speaker 3: with because I know big sugar is all in the
- 27:37Speaker 3: pockets of well.
- 27:38Speaker 2: I mean at this point, I mean it's oh, you're
- 27:43Speaker 2: about to get it to it.
- 27:44Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, it's the second half of this
- 27:47Speaker 1: where I hope to show people that conspiracies do happen,
- 27:52Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just over something like approving a sweetener,
- 27:56Speaker 1: which you would think wouldn't be that controversial.
- 27:59Speaker 2: But I mean it sounds like a multimillion dollar I
- 28:03Speaker 2: mean possibly even like billion. Oh yeah, it's a billion
- 28:06Speaker 2: dollar industry. This product had a billion dollars of sales
- 28:09Speaker 2: in the sixties. Right, So if if if in your country,
- 28:14Speaker 2: you can't sell a thing in what country that purports
- 28:18Speaker 2: to be the most free market of all of the
- 28:20Speaker 2: countries in the whole wide world. Yeah, no, there's there's
- 28:23Speaker 2: there's so much money to be made off of that.
- 28:25Speaker 1: So what we're going to do is compare sodium sycliment,
- 28:29Speaker 1: which is a product that's been banned since the sixties
- 28:32Speaker 1: for health reasons, even though there is no evidence that
- 28:36Speaker 1: those health reasons are actually valid. And now let's talk
- 28:40Speaker 1: about aspartame. Oh, Nutri suite Nutrius.
- 28:43Speaker 3: With this, I know I will go on the record
- 28:45Speaker 3: as saying this is pure evil, aspertain.
- 28:47Speaker 2: I'm allergic to it. It will kill you aspertame.
- 28:50Speaker 1: It is that the way aspartame got approved by the
- 28:54Speaker 1: fd FDA is the textbook definition of a conspiracy.
- 28:58Speaker 2: Let's hear a baby roll it out.
- 29:00Speaker 1: People want to read a whole lot about it. There's
- 29:02Speaker 1: a really good article on the Huffington Post called Donald
- 29:06Speaker 1: Rumsfeld in The Strange History of ASPECTA.
- 29:09Speaker 2: The guy that signed us off on the second Arrive
- 29:12Speaker 2: the failed Second Iraqi War. Donald Donald Rumsfeld, Yes, started
- 29:15Speaker 2: off as a as a sugarman.
- 29:17Speaker 1: A name you can trust when it comes to keeping
- 29:20Speaker 1: you safe.
- 29:20Speaker 3: It sounds trustworthy, sounds delicious. Can't pass me a piece
- 29:24Speaker 3: of Donald Rumsfeld.
- 29:26Speaker 1: And that article on Huffington Post is written by Robbie
- 29:30Speaker 1: Jenett g E N N E T. It's a really
- 29:32Speaker 1: good article. Just go check it out. So doctor John Only.
- 29:35Speaker 1: He is the founder of the field of neuroscience called exitotoxicity.
- 29:44Speaker 2: Excited toxicity sounds like a Prince song and album double.
- 29:48Speaker 1: Oh yeah toxicity. M that bit fell apart when you
- 29:53Speaker 1: started singing, which is shocking because you're a singer. He
- 29:58Speaker 1: attempted to stop the rooval of aspertame with the help
- 30:01Speaker 1: of Attorney James Turner. The FDA's own toxicologist, doctor Adrian
- 30:05Speaker 1: Gross told now This is the FDA's own toxicologist. Doctor
- 30:11Speaker 1: Adrian Gross told Congress that without a shadow of a doubt,
- 30:15Speaker 1: aspartame can cause brain tumors and brain cancer, and that
- 30:19Speaker 1: it violated the Delaney Amendment, which forbids putting anything in
- 30:23Speaker 1: food that is known to cause cancer. According to actual
- 30:27Speaker 1: doctors and actual science, aspartame causes headache, yes, memory loss, seizures,
- 30:32Speaker 1: vision loss, comama, and potentially cancer. It also worsens or
- 30:39Speaker 1: mimics the symptoms of fibromyalgia, MS lupus, add diabetes, Alzheimer's,
- 30:46Speaker 1: chronic fatigue and depression.
- 30:48Speaker 2: The popularity of stevia. It's don't to make a lot
- 30:50Speaker 2: of sense to me here.
- 30:51Speaker 1: Yeah, it also liberates free methyl alcohol in your body.
- 30:56Speaker 1: One third of the aspertain molecule is methanol, which is
- 30:59Speaker 1: classified as a severe metabolic poison and narcotic. In nineteen
- 31:05Speaker 1: ninety five, the FDA was forced under the Freedom of
- 31:08Speaker 1: Information Act to release a list of aspartame symptoms reported
- 31:12Speaker 1: by thousands of victims. There were ten thousand consumer complaints
- 31:18Speaker 1: listing ninety two different symptoms, more complaints than any other
- 31:22Speaker 1: additive and seventy five percent of FDA complaints in total.
- 31:27Speaker 1: Oh no, So with all of that science behind the
- 31:33Speaker 1: fact that aspartame is going to give us all, like,
- 31:37Speaker 1: aspartame is still in.
- 31:39Speaker 2: It's still yeah. So I keep say nutri seeds so
- 31:41Speaker 2: people notice it for it.
- 31:43Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in, Like I think it's in coke zero.
- 31:45Speaker 1: Like I've stopped drinking.
- 31:48Speaker 3: They started doing when nutrient suite, like the term nutrisuite
- 31:51Speaker 3: or aspertame got a bad rap.
- 31:53Speaker 2: They just decided to label it as sugar free.
- 31:55Speaker 3: You still need to look at the back of the
- 31:57Speaker 3: packaging when you buy a sugar free product and see
- 32:00Speaker 3: if it contains either aspertain or one of the other
- 32:04Speaker 3: I think there's like two other names they use, yeah
- 32:07Speaker 3: instead instead of aspertain, But it's the same cancer giving
- 32:11Speaker 3: piece of trash.
- 32:12Speaker 2: Added, I feel like, I feel like I've seen nutri
- 32:14Speaker 2: sweet in my kitchen as recently as this month, burn
- 32:17Speaker 2: that it.
- 32:17Speaker 1: Tastes terrible too. No, it's the way if you put
- 32:21Speaker 1: a packet of nutri sweet and cup of coffee. Oh,
- 32:23Speaker 1: it's gross.
- 32:24Speaker 3: I had like when I found out the first time,
- 32:27Speaker 3: the first and only time I've ever had something with
- 32:29Speaker 3: aspertain in it, that I knew it was going to
- 32:31Speaker 3: kill me. I tasted some sort of can soda. I
- 32:35Speaker 3: didn't know it was a sugar free soda, and the
- 32:38Speaker 3: like the first time it hit my tongue, it was like, Okay,
- 32:41Speaker 3: this is can soda go bad? But I didn't know
- 32:45Speaker 3: soda could go bad. I was like, this is spoiled
- 32:47Speaker 3: or something like that.
- 32:48Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your tongue protecting you, sir.
- 32:49Speaker 2: No, yeah, it told me this is going to kill you.
- 32:52Speaker 1: So the question at this point is if sodium sickliment
- 32:56Speaker 1: is still banned in this country because we suspected it
- 32:59Speaker 1: was maybe given rap cancer. How the fuck is aspartame
- 33:03Speaker 1: approved in this country?
- 33:04Speaker 2: Were there white people in charge?
- 33:06Speaker 1: There were white people in charge, and in the spirit
- 33:10Speaker 1: of so many dramatic TV shows about the government, it
- 33:14Speaker 1: was a conspiracy that reached the highest levels, and by
- 33:17Speaker 1: that I mean the literal fucking president. Here's how it worked.
- 33:21Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five, Monsanto purchased GD Searle, So right
- 33:26Speaker 1: away Monsano's involved. So you know people are going to die.
- 33:29Speaker 2: Oh so it's gonna protect the people and take care
- 33:32Speaker 2: of the workers.
- 33:33Speaker 1: Next right in Monsano. Definitely by a private army. Yeah.
- 33:36Speaker 1: They definitely don't have a history of trying to corner
- 33:38Speaker 1: the market on anything or making sure they don't have competition.
- 33:43Speaker 1: They purchased GD Searle. The GD stands for Goddamn. You
- 33:48Speaker 1: might not believe it, but Goddamn Searle, the chemical company
- 33:51Speaker 1: that held the patent to aspartame the active ingredient in
- 33:54Speaker 1: nutri suite. As mentioned earlier, by this point, a nineteen
- 33:57Speaker 1: eighty FDA Board of Inquiry had already confirmed that aspertame
- 34:02Speaker 1: may cause brain tumors and banned it based on those findings.
- 34:09Speaker 2: Nobody's getting cancer. Alrighty, we're out. It's handled.
- 34:12Speaker 1: And at that point Searl chairman Donald rumsfeld then chairman
- 34:18Speaker 1: Donald he was running a chemical was running gd Searle
- 34:21Speaker 1: when this all happened.
- 34:22Speaker 2: He was running a chemical company with the product that
- 34:24Speaker 2: causes cancer and human writing.
- 34:26Speaker 1: A product that was known to cause cancer that Donald
- 34:29Speaker 1: Rumsfeldt said, we're going to get it approved anyway.
- 34:31Speaker 3: Well, I'll show you that's the American pull your step
- 34:34Speaker 3: up by your bootstraps from what I'm talking about. They
- 34:37Speaker 3: tell you know, you tell them, I'm gonna anyway because
- 34:40Speaker 3: that's not toxic masculinity at all.
- 34:42Speaker 1: And now this is how it happened. And I don't
- 34:44Speaker 1: know why the people behind sodium sickliment just don't try
- 34:48Speaker 1: this first thing that happened. Reagan was sworn in. Ooh,
- 34:53Speaker 1: what a type of that is? Typed reason? Was sworn
- 34:57Speaker 1: in as president. No of reason.
- 35:01Speaker 2: We're going to sign in feelings right now.
- 35:04Speaker 1: Reagan was sworn in as president on January twenty first,
- 35:07Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one. Rumsfeld, still the CEO at Searle, was
- 35:11Speaker 1: part of Reagan's transition team.
- 35:14Speaker 2: Oh, the Russians were involved. This is collusion all the way.
- 35:17Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, we laugh about that
- 35:20Speaker 1: word and laugh about conspiracy, but this is a conspiracy.
- 35:23Speaker 2: Huh.
- 35:24Speaker 1: This is the actual definition of how a conspiracy works.
- 35:27Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, maybe Donald Rumsfield, how about you
- 35:32Speaker 2: get me some of those fancy jellybeans that are sugar free.
- 35:36Speaker 2: I won't have a stroke and lose my brain eventually
- 35:39Speaker 2: one day.
- 35:40Speaker 1: So here's how they did it. As part of Reagan's
- 35:44Speaker 1: transition team, Rumsfeld worked with Reagan to select the new
- 35:49Speaker 1: FDA commissioner, and they pick a guy named doctor Arthur
- 35:53Speaker 1: Hull Hayes Junior.
- 35:55Speaker 2: Too many ahs, yes, so many he had. His name
- 35:59Speaker 2: is a name, well, his initials are an evil laugh.
- 36:02Speaker 1: He had no previous experience with food additives.
- 36:05Speaker 2: That sounds familiar.
- 36:06Speaker 1: On the day after his inauguration, Reagan issues in executive
- 36:10Speaker 1: order eliminating the FDA commissioner's authority to take action. So
- 36:16Speaker 1: Cearle reapplied to the FDA for approval of aspartame as
- 36:20Speaker 1: a food sweetener. After Reagan issued that executive order, Hayes
- 36:25Speaker 1: sets up a five person board to review the previous
- 36:28Speaker 1: FDA findings, and when it becomes clear that they're going
- 36:32Speaker 1: to uphold the previous findings, Hayes appoints a sixth person
- 36:37Speaker 1: who causes a tie.
- 36:39Speaker 2: Six is a better number when you're voting.
- 36:40Speaker 3: And then you want an number of people that way,
- 36:43Speaker 3: you gotta have e like it needs to be bipartisan.
- 36:46Speaker 3: That means equal on both sides.
- 36:48Speaker 2: Right, yeah, you want it so obviously equal number of
- 36:52Speaker 2: Electoral College votes in this country. For no reason, you're
- 36:54Speaker 2: not going to believe this, But the third person he
- 36:57Speaker 2: assigned to that panel, they made it a tie. So
- 37:00Speaker 2: now the previous findings weren't going to be upheld. There
- 37:03Speaker 2: you go, and Hayes cast the deciding vote, as he
- 37:07Speaker 2: should have because he's the FDA commissioner.
- 37:10Speaker 1: And with that aspartame was approved for use as a sweet.
- 37:15Speaker 1: Now we did it, get it took that fucking long,
- 37:18Speaker 1: did it? But that's a conspiracy. Like that is Donald
- 37:23Speaker 1: Rumsfeld saying I'm going to talk to the president whose
- 37:27Speaker 1: transition team I am a part of, and we're going
- 37:30Speaker 1: to figure out how to get this deadly fucking product
- 37:33Speaker 1: on store shelves because we.
- 37:35Speaker 2: Have into the brains of American children.
- 37:37Speaker 1: Yeah, because we have stockholders to think of, and we
- 37:39Speaker 1: don't want to lose all.
- 37:40Speaker 3: We also have a stockpile of this trash product and
- 37:43Speaker 3: we can sell it for a lot of money.
- 37:45Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, let's do this. And Hayes left the FDA
- 37:48Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three amid rumors that he was accepting
- 37:51Speaker 1: corporate gifts in exchange for political faith.
- 37:53Speaker 3: Oh no, no, hey, I think you have another type
- 37:55Speaker 3: of the head of the FDA left because he was
- 37:59Speaker 3: taking gifts.
- 37:59Speaker 2: That happened this year. It just happened. Oh yeah, that's right,
- 38:02Speaker 2: It really just happened. So yeah, I think when you
- 38:04Speaker 2: have a title.
- 38:05Speaker 1: Here, and that's the thing. The FDA is a like
- 38:08Speaker 1: they're supposed to protect us, but this is the kind
- 38:10Speaker 1: of shit that proves you just got like they're kind
- 38:13Speaker 1: of at the whim of who's running.
- 38:14Speaker 2: If you have a guy, yeah, whoever's in charge, that's
- 38:16Speaker 2: what they do.
- 38:17Speaker 3: If somebody if the guy in charge is like, hey,
- 38:19Speaker 3: I'll do whatever you tell me to do because you
- 38:21Speaker 3: gave me one hundred thousand dollars and I got a
- 38:23Speaker 3: new boat.
- 38:24Speaker 2: Thanks for the boat. Yeah, yeah, I get this chicker,
- 38:27Speaker 2: what put that in the cereal. Yeah, fuck those kids,
- 38:29Speaker 2: I got a boat.
- 38:30Speaker 1: So he left the FDA in nineteen eighty three, but
- 38:34Speaker 1: just before he left office, he approved aspertame for use
- 38:38Speaker 1: as a sweetener. Nice, get it in there, average, right
- 38:40Speaker 1: under the gun, right under the gun.
- 38:42Speaker 2: Man worked until his last day. I like his I
- 38:44Speaker 2: like his.
- 38:45Speaker 1: Hutzma, and not not to suggest that maybe he was
- 38:51Speaker 1: he knew or was told that this would be a
- 38:53Speaker 1: controversial move and that he might lose his job over it.
- 38:57Speaker 1: After he left office, he took a job as senior
- 39:01Speaker 1: medical advisor with Burson Marstellar, the chief public relations firm
- 39:05Speaker 1: for both Monsanto and g D sirle.
- 39:08Speaker 2: He just goes into pr.
- 39:09Speaker 3: But here's the thing, and he has that's a great
- 39:13Speaker 3: job to get because he's worked with both of those
- 39:15Speaker 3: companies previously, so he has a relationship with them.
- 39:17Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there's nothing.
- 39:18Speaker 1: Wrong with it, and he helped them force aspartain through
- 39:20Speaker 1: the FDA.
- 39:21Speaker 2: But it's a sweetener.
- 39:22Speaker 1: And when Cerrel was absorbed by Monsano in eighty five,
- 39:25Speaker 1: rum Rumsfeld received a twelve million dollar bonus. And that's
- 39:30Speaker 1: twelve million dollars in eighty five money.
- 39:32Speaker 2: I'm sure he beted all on the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard
- 39:36Speaker 2: going down.
- 39:36Speaker 1: You know what, I bet he put it under his
- 39:38Speaker 1: fucking mattress and it's probably still managed to grow into
- 39:41Speaker 1: more money since.
- 39:42Speaker 3: I'll just invested in an aspertain because he knew that
- 39:44Speaker 3: shit's never leaving.
- 39:45Speaker 1: Yeah, and ASP nutraswite took the fuck off once it
- 39:49Speaker 1: was approved, like that shit was everywhere.
- 39:51Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the logo. We all know the logo.
- 39:53Speaker 1: Because I remember it was sweet and Low before that,
- 39:55Speaker 1: and they were like fuck sweet and low and it
- 39:58Speaker 1: was all about h equal in nutri sweet.
- 40:01Speaker 3: If you go into an ihop, you can still get
- 40:03Speaker 3: like a package of like I think it's either nutri
- 40:06Speaker 3: sweet sugar or they're sweetened loaf. They still have like yeah,
- 40:09Speaker 3: old packs of the pink sweetened low and it's like
- 40:11Speaker 3: this shit should not be on tables.
- 40:13Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, sodium suclement approved all over the fucking world
- 40:17Speaker 1: and not here, bro, not here, we get asp tame.
- 40:21Speaker 2: And it doesn't even taste good.
- 40:23Speaker 1: It doesn't taste good.
- 40:24Speaker 2: It's good because it's poison to you, dude.
- 40:26Speaker 1: Well, it's poison to all of us.
- 40:28Speaker 2: It's just it's special poisoned to faster poison.
- 40:32Speaker 3: Like if the if I actually swallow us, like just
- 40:35Speaker 3: a shot of diet coke, not even like a full sweig.
- 40:38Speaker 3: Like if you put a shot glass of diet coke
- 40:40Speaker 3: and I swallow it, I will throw up everything in
- 40:42Speaker 3: my body.
- 40:43Speaker 2: That's really good, you know, as a potential enemy of yours.
- 40:47Speaker 2: Oh no.
- 40:48Speaker 3: I literally whenever people offer me anything, I have to
- 40:50Speaker 3: say what's in it?
- 40:51Speaker 2: Can I see the package? Are you sure?
- 40:54Speaker 1: Did?
- 40:54Speaker 2: Because I don't want to die?
- 40:56Speaker 3: It really is. I don't want to die just because
- 40:58Speaker 3: you can't, you know, like sugar, I bet you could
- 41:01Speaker 3: use a little little relief, you know, I got this.
- 41:03Speaker 3: I got this delicious frosty beverage for you, you know,
- 41:06Speaker 3: just slake your thirst because you're audio media medium.
- 41:10Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 41:10Speaker 3: No, full act outs, Yeah, we've been doing that a lot. Yeah,
- 41:14Speaker 3: done a lot of late, a lot of act outs lately.
- 41:16Speaker 2: Have I U? Have you been taking? Have you been taking?
- 41:19Speaker 2: Have you been taking New Dad improv classes? I'm just
- 41:22Speaker 2: trying to get enough sleep at night. It's not working.
- 41:25Speaker 1: You should take old Dad improv classes?
- 41:28Speaker 2: Sick burn what?
- 41:29Speaker 1: I don't know?
- 41:31Speaker 2: If you're digging on me, I'm all hopped up on
- 41:33Speaker 2: nutri sweep right now. Man.
- 41:34Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's the story of how sodium sicklament
- 41:40Speaker 1: became banned in this country and how aspartame which almost
- 41:43Speaker 1: certainly causes brain cancer.
- 41:45Speaker 3: You know, after after reading this, I really have to
- 41:48Speaker 3: go back and question whether or not Donald Rumsfeld was
- 41:51Speaker 3: a good person.
- 41:52Speaker 1: WHOA I mean, I didn't mean to bring I didn't
- 41:54Speaker 1: mean to speculate that Donald Rumsfeld's not.
- 41:56Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you did. I'm just saying that
- 41:58Speaker 3: after you present evidence like this, I have to go okay,
- 42:01Speaker 3: because he I really thought he was a saint that
- 42:04Speaker 3: was here to take care of the Americans.
- 42:06Speaker 2: Look at least let him get the first word in
- 42:08Speaker 2: and review his autobiography. Yo Ho ho and a bottle
- 42:11Speaker 2: of me What that was such a long way for
- 42:15Speaker 2: a bit. Yeah, I appreciate sitting on that.
- 42:18Speaker 1: For a while.
- 42:18Speaker 2: It was like dad, And then I got my sweet
- 42:21Speaker 2: baby girl. You guys, have you seen pictures of my
- 42:24Speaker 2: sweet baby girl? Yet she's so she's so beautiful.
- 42:26Speaker 1: The podcast.
- 42:27Speaker 3: We don't we don't, we don't. We don't advertise other
- 42:30Speaker 3: babies on this podcast.
- 42:31Speaker 2: But no, we're gonna advertise my she's my.
- 42:34Speaker 3: Wait, advertise your baby, your baby? Are you selling your
- 42:36Speaker 3: baby is for sale.
- 42:39Speaker 2: How much you charge for your baby? Baby charge? I mean,
- 42:43Speaker 2: come and just bring us food and you can look
- 42:46Speaker 2: at the baby, but we keep the baby.
- 42:48Speaker 3: We keep the rights to the baby. The baby said,
- 42:53Speaker 3: have you had Gusses fried chicken?
- 42:55Speaker 2: It's worth a baby, man. I mean, I'm really hungry.
- 42:57Speaker 2: So that sounds good.
- 42:59Speaker 1: So so that's our episode.
- 43:02Speaker 2: And uh, as far as plausible conspiracy theories, that's a
- 43:07Speaker 2: really good place to start. For sure.
- 43:09Speaker 1: It's not a matter of this being plausible. It's this
- 43:12Speaker 1: is exactly what, exactly what happened. And it's such a
- 43:15Speaker 1: trivial thing because it really is. It does boil down to.
- 43:19Speaker 2: Chemical company A is more evil than chemical company B.
- 43:23Speaker 1: Well it's not. It doesn't boil down to that because
- 43:25Speaker 1: chemical company A or B like the sodium second, like
- 43:30Speaker 1: what was Abbott Laboratories doing? That was bad? They provided
- 43:34Speaker 1: a safe alternative to sugar. They didn't. There was no
- 43:38Speaker 1: science behind their product being harmful. I know it's popular
- 43:42Speaker 1: now to be like, oh, every corporation's evil. These motherfuckers
- 43:46Speaker 1: didn't do anything to get their product banned.
- 43:49Speaker 2: They did nothing wrong. There's no cause to call them evil.
- 43:54Speaker 2: I'm saying, mon Santo and their friends.
- 43:56Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but no, you said one evil company's more
- 43:59Speaker 1: evil than the other, like in.
- 44:00Speaker 2: This situation, the company is by definition more evil than
- 44:04Speaker 2: a company which which does not have potent the potential.
- 44:08Speaker 1: For Okay, okay, okay, okay, take here.
- 44:11Speaker 3: Okay, did you just Jedi mind trick us into thinking
- 44:14Speaker 3: all companies are evil?
- 44:16Speaker 2: I hope so didn't work.
- 44:18Speaker 1: Now, Now there's some good companies out there, Little name six,
- 44:23Speaker 1: all name one, Little Caesar's what really?
- 44:25Speaker 2: What do they do? Costco? Fucking Google it Costco? I
- 44:28Speaker 2: do like Costco a lot employees very well. Yeah, they
- 44:32Speaker 2: keep pushing the upgraded executive membership on me. But I
- 44:36Speaker 2: love Costco and I've never heard anybody complain about working
- 44:38Speaker 2: for them.
- 44:39Speaker 1: All Right, we should wrap this up. This was a
- 44:41Speaker 1: lot of fun. Danger you have stuff to plug, right.
- 44:44Speaker 2: Y yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right, people, Uh so.
- 44:48Speaker 1: You know the hardest part of this show for me,
- 44:50Speaker 1: It was the first few minutes. Oh that was fun.
- 44:53Speaker 2: That was good.
- 44:54Speaker 1: People who have only listened to Conspiracy the pod and
- 44:56Speaker 1: not the regular podcast are confused right now.
- 45:00Speaker 2: I think they realize I've been cut off, which is
- 45:02Speaker 2: something of a tradition in the unodcast family.
- 45:05Speaker 1: All right, plug your shit.
- 45:07Speaker 2: All right. First of all, you guys, the miracle of childbirth,
- 45:10Speaker 2: it's a it's a real blessing.
- 45:11Speaker 1: Okay. The other thing like chat with his dog.
- 45:15Speaker 2: Come on, No, I'm better than that. Come on. The
- 45:17Speaker 2: other thing is Kalus thousand says a new song coming out,
- 45:19Speaker 2: you guys, Space Nazis must die.
- 45:23Speaker 1: Why space Nazis? Do we have to argue about space force?
- 45:25Speaker 2: Now? Space force? No, because space Nazis must die. I
- 45:28Speaker 2: wrote this song three years ago. Okay, yeah, we're just
- 45:31Speaker 2: recording it now. It's our it's our stated opinion that
- 45:35Speaker 2: Nazis are bad. Be it a land, sea or space.
- 45:39Speaker 2: Also air, that's another category, but nothing is calusousands. We're
- 45:44Speaker 2: launching a Patreon because we're writing a punk rock musical
- 45:47Speaker 2: called Election Opposed Apocalyptic Musical. It's gonna be awesome. It's
- 45:51Speaker 2: gonna take a lot of time. I need to raise
- 45:54Speaker 2: my baby in a house of music, and this is
- 45:56Speaker 2: how we're gonna make it happen. So please go to
- 45:58Speaker 2: patreon dot com. Slash count thousands would just look for us.
- 46:01Speaker 2: Please support us a couple of dollars a month. I'm
- 46:05Speaker 2: stressing out about finding ways to make to make music
- 46:08Speaker 2: still happen while also caring for a teeny beautiful child
- 46:13Speaker 2: whom I love, who is beautiful.
- 46:14Speaker 1: House of music, really good Tony album Their.
- 46:17Speaker 2: Last Pity, I mean good. So, I mean if only
- 46:21Speaker 2: we had more Tony Tony Tony.
- 46:25Speaker 1: Wildly underrated band.
- 46:27Speaker 2: Okay, only in the white community, don't.
- 46:30Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 46:30Speaker 2: So anyways, Yeah, if you're already supporting on pops on Patreon,
- 46:33Speaker 2: like you should be, like you probably are if you're
- 46:36Speaker 2: listening to this fucking better, Yeah, please come on out
- 46:38Speaker 2: and throw a couple of dollars a month at old
- 46:40Speaker 2: countless thousands. We're doing Uh, we're doing acoustic songs every month.
- 46:43Speaker 2: We're we're gonna keep you up to date on our
- 46:45Speaker 2: on our really excellent show that we're writing. It's people
- 46:49Speaker 2: pay you to cover a song. Uh, they can pay
- 46:52Speaker 2: me and then ask me.
- 46:53Speaker 1: How is that not a reward level? Man? Put it
- 46:55Speaker 1: on your levels.
- 46:56Speaker 3: I have so little time for recording already doing a
- 46:59Speaker 3: being like all the greatest covers.
- 47:01Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be doing covers. I'm like, acoustic covers is
- 47:05Speaker 2: going to be a big part of We cover Sex
- 47:07Speaker 2: with Me by Rihanna No.
- 47:09Speaker 1: I've just always wanted to hear an acoustic version of
- 47:11Speaker 1: that no by a white dude.
- 47:14Speaker 2: What about put It in Your Mouth by Acking Nelly. Hmmm,
- 47:17Speaker 2: I'm unfamiliar with that song.
- 47:18Speaker 1: Well, it's tales By too short. It's only thirteen minutes long.
- 47:22Speaker 2: Acoustic version of Me So Horny by Two Live Crew.
- 47:25Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, but you have to like go full
- 47:29Speaker 1: racist when you do the me so hotey part.
- 47:32Speaker 2: I just don't do it in black faces? Fine? Oh yeah, Hey,
- 47:35Speaker 2: shout out Megan Kelly gone to always.
- 47:37Speaker 1: Did you shout out Megan Kelly? Wow? This podcast took
- 47:41Speaker 1: a weird turn. Quincy, Well, do you have to plug?
- 47:45Speaker 3: Shout out to Donald Rumsfeld? Shout out putin, putin, put
- 47:48Speaker 3: and putin all day every day. Guys, if you can
- 47:50Speaker 3: hear the sound of my delicious voice, follow me on
- 47:53Speaker 3: all the social media's at Quincy Johnson I I if
- 47:56Speaker 3: you're in the city of Saint Louis, I will be
- 47:58Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, umber A through the tenth for the
- 48:01Speaker 3: Flyover Comedy Festival, a couple of shows on each day,
- 48:03Speaker 3: so be on the lookout for that. If you live
- 48:05Speaker 3: in the city of Chicago or the surrounding area. I'm
- 48:07Speaker 3: in Chicago November eleventh through the seventeenth. Shows every day
- 48:12Speaker 3: come flex with me and also listen to What in
- 48:14Speaker 3: the World and then Pops every day.
- 48:15Speaker 1: In the World. What in the World. Listen to that
- 48:18Speaker 1: podcast that I host with Quincy. Listen to Misfortune, a
- 48:22Speaker 1: podcast I hosted with Danger. Maybe someday when the daughter
- 48:25Speaker 1: is off to college, we can.
- 48:27Speaker 2: Just write some episodes.
- 48:28Speaker 1: We can record, I mean a second season.
- 48:31Speaker 2: Yeah, we got it.
- 48:31Speaker 1: When the baby's raised and safe, we'll get back to it.
- 48:35Speaker 1: We'll get back to it.
- 48:36Speaker 2: We'll just let her guest. Well, it's always worked, sure
- 48:39Speaker 2: it will work again.
- 48:40Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 48:41Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very sweet. You guys.
- 48:43Speaker 1: Uh Patreon dot com slash and Pops you get bonus
- 48:45Speaker 1: episodes of this podcast and all the other podcasts I
- 48:49Speaker 1: co host. And I am doing the Two Dads trivia
- 48:54Speaker 1: show on November seventeenth at the Ruby. I don't know
- 48:58Speaker 1: who I'm competing against, but I am going to fucking
- 49:03Speaker 1: destroy them, because, uh, trivia, it's what I do. It's
- 49:09Speaker 1: all I do. So come out to that and uh,
- 49:12Speaker 1: we'll probably not do a live podcast the end of
- 49:17Speaker 1: this month because it's the day after Thanksgiving.
- 49:19Speaker 2: Yeah, man, but we're thinking to do Thanksgiving.
- 49:22Speaker 1: But still, yeah, we're thinking of doing a New Year's
- 49:25Speaker 1: Eve thing in December because it'll be a few days
- 49:28Speaker 1: before New Year's Eve. Come out and fuck around the
- 49:31Speaker 1: Saturday before New.
- 49:32Speaker 2: M Come on to the Hollywood Hotel. We're going to party.
- 49:36Speaker 1: We're gonna party.
- 49:37Speaker 2: We're gonna do an Unpops New Years.
- 49:38Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Unpops New Year's. There will
- 49:40Speaker 1: be champagne. There will be uh New Year's resolutions.
- 49:45Speaker 3: I have to go back and start dating that stripper
- 49:47Speaker 3: I used to do, Yeah, Champagne, so she will be
- 49:49Speaker 3: at the show.
- 49:50Speaker 1: Quincy's stripper girlfriend. Champagne will be there, and so will
- 49:55Speaker 1: Dangerous Kid.
- 49:55Speaker 2: And weed cookies and we.
- 49:57Speaker 1: Oh those weed cookies. We just did a live show
- 49:59Speaker 1: and those weed cookies.
- 50:01Speaker 2: Lady did eat. Chet wasn't there. That's probably wise, but
- 50:05Speaker 2: those were.
- 50:05Speaker 1: Some tasty fucking weed cookies. I'm gonna make some more.
- 50:08Speaker 1: All right, let's get the fuck out of here. Down
- 50:11Speaker 1: Hare say goodbye goodbye everybody. Quincy, say goodbye.
- 50:16Speaker 2: Donald Rumsfeld. We love you. What the hell?
- 50:19Speaker 1: Goodbye? Everybody? Eat aspartame
- 50:27Speaker 2: People, you're finding itself to be