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Ghislaine Maxwell And Her Sisters · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: And this is an article from The Cut and this
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article was released on August twenty first of two thousand
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and nineteen. The author of the article is Bridget read
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the headline Gilaine Maxwell's twin sisters have their own wild stories.
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I mean, does that shock anybody that Gilaine Maxwell's sisters
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are crazy as well? They all grew up with Papa Maxwell.
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They all grew up in that same sort of court
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of mayhem that Bob Maxwell lived in. So is anybody
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shocked that they have their own wild stories? Or they're
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both fed up as well as Gilaine Maxwell. Maxwell hides
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out somewhere in the world at one of America's burger joints,
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or maybe in her boyfriend seaside mansion or neither. Her
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unconventional family with its own scandalous history has come back
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into view. And of course that happens, right if you
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have one of these eccentric families, one of these families
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where there are a lot of people who are you know,
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well odd, I guess you would say, involved in some
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weird shit. Well, that is the Maxwell's. They're definitely one
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of those unconventional, unconventional families where they have a lot
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of people involved in a lot of odd shit. And
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when you have someone like Giley and Maxwell who gets
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thrusted to the forefront of the news, of course it's
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going to shine a light on her family as well,
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and people are going to start digging, and people are
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going to start searching for whatever they can find that
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has to do with Gileayan Maxwell's upbringing. On Saturday, we
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got a rare glimpse of Maxwell's sixty nine year old sister, Christine,
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who was spotted packing up a car outside of a
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hotel near the Manchester by the Sea residence where Gelaye
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had been rumored to be staying. So again, I have
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no idea where Gelaane Maxwell is or was. I haven't
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seen any sort of credible evidence that would uh that
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would point us in a direction where we could find her.
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But when this article was first published, of course that
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you know, they were just on to the case, right,
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They were just looking into where Gelayne Maxwell might be.
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So who knows. She might have been at the mansion
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by the Manchester by the Sea at some point, and
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she might be there today. Again, I have no idea.
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It's the first sighting of one of Maxwell's family members
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since pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein's arrest in death, and a
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hint of whom Maxwell might be leaning on as she
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avoids the authorities. She has been accused by several Epstein
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survivors of helping to traffic dozens of underage girls for sex,
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some of whom are suing her as a co conspirator
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in Epstein's crimes. This is a great article by the cut.
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They're using all the right language and everything, and this
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was back in August, Okay, co conspirator, pedophile. But one
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thing that I think they're missing here is I doubt
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that Gilaane Maxwell would attempt to hide with her family.
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I think that would be one of the first places
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that private investigators would look, the authorities would look. I
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think that Gilaine Maxwell would have to go deep into
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her war chest and find people that she knows are
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about that life, the life of protecting somebody like her,
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the life of living very cautiously so that your cover
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isn't blown. So I don't think that she would be
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with the Maxwell's with her family. I believe that she's
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with other operatives or people who have been operatives at
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some point, and we know that they have safe houses
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all over the world right, who knows where she could be.
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I'm not going to sit here and make a guess.
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I doubt though. One thing I will say, like I
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said previously when we were talking about this a little bit,
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one thing I will say is I highly doubt that
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she is still in the United States. If she was
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in the United States, she would be put on blast already.
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They would have found her. The PIS would have found her,
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the law would have found her. Somebody would have exposed
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where she is. So I highly doubt she's in the
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United States right now. Christine is just one of Maxwell's
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living siblings. Her sister Kareein and brother Michael died at
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ages three and fifteen. A brother Philip, and the eldest
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daughter Anne have not been heard from publicly for at
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least a decade. But tracing the four others Christine and
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her twin sister Isabelle, Kevin and Ian, along with Elaine,
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who at fifty seven is the youngest, is like watching
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a real life season of succession, as these heirs to
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their disgraced media mogul fathers empire have strived toward their
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own ambitions. That is a great a great comparison. Now
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if you don't watch the show's succession. As soon as
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you're done listening to this podcast, go do yourself a favor,
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throw on HBO and watch the show. It is absolutely amazing.
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It's about a media mogul and his family that is
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all jockeying for position to try and take over the
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reins from their father. And of course there's a bunch
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of other stuff subplots that are going on, et cetera,
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et cetera. But I cannot recommend that show enough. Me
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and Lisa from The Prince and the Pervert podcast, we're
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just talking about it a little bit and she's into
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the show as well, obviously, and it's just awesome and
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it really mirrors the Maxwell's almost right. This is really
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a good comparison. I never really put two and two
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together thinking about it, because I never really think about
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the Maxwells as a whole family unit. I'm so focused
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on Guilaine or Robert most of the time that I
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sometimes forget about the sisters and how involved they are
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and how they've had their fingers in a lot of
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pies as well. So I'm glad that I pulled this
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article out of the archive today and decided to use
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it because it gives us a little refresher course and
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reminds us that Maxwell's family they're also smarty. Twin sisters
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Christine and Isabelle are the most fascinating of the bunch
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and have their own ties to entrepreneurs, entrepreneurs on orthodox
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and in some cases shady men. The family patriarch media mobile.
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Robert Maxwell built the publishing empire and police local career
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in the United Kingdom. We just talked about Robert Maxwell.
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We just went through the whole situation of his death
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and the aftermath, et cetera, et cetera. But we know
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that Robert Maxwell was connected big time, and we know
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that he was also seriously connected when it comes to intelligence. Now.
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He had a state funeral in Israel after he passed away.
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That doesn't just happen for anybody. Not just anybody gets
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a state funeral in Israel. It's only for people who
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have you know, done something to help the further the
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cause of the nation, right, and that's like anywhere. But
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Robert Maxwell, well, we know how he was furthering the cause.
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We know that he had his hands on some very
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uh let us say, devious strings. But he died suddenly
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in nineteen ninety one from a supposed fall from his yacht,
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though there is speculation that he was pushed after it
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was discovered that he had plundered his company's funds to
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cover his debts. Maxwell's sons, Kevin and Ian, who had
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been working for their father, were caught up in the
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investigation of his fraud. Since then, they've laid somewhat low
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as businessmen, now sixty and sixty three, respectively. It is
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unknown how much contact they've had with Gilaine, but neither
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one has made a statement about her publicly for many years.
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And it's interesting right now. Either they just keep everything
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close to the vest, and they learned their lesson from
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their father and at his side of how to conduct
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themselves when it comes to making sure things are quiet
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and making sure they're not divulging information. Or they might
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have just said, you know what, she's too sick, even
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for us. We don't want anything to do with her.
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Who knows, you know, there's no information about Glaane Maxwell's
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relationship with her brothers that I know of, or even
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to a deep extent, the rest of her family, besides
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the relationship with her father. But there's really I mean,
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I don't know of any journalist or author who has
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sat down with one of the Maxwells and gotten a
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full story from them. If anyone has seen something like that,
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I would love to see it. So if you have
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access to that and there's an article perhaps where one
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of the Maxwells has sat down and spoke with and
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spoken to a journalist, I would definitely love to check
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that out. So make sure you send that to me
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if it's out there and I've missed it. Christine and
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Isabelle had more freedom to strike out on their own
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after the demise of the Maxwell Empire in the nineteen eighties.
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They decamped to Silicon Valley, and in nineteen ninety three
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they helped co found Magellan, an early search engine, with
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Isabelle's then husband, David hayden Man. I remember the Magellan
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search engine back in the old old old days when
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the Internet first started. You know, then obviously you had Internet,
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the America Online, and then you had God, there was
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another one. It's escaping me right now, but there was
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all sorts of these kinds of things when the Internet
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first started, and obviously AOL was the big gorilla in
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the room. According to the Daily Beasts, the sisters appear
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in Michael Wolfe's book on dot com startups burn Rate.
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Wolf describes Christine as more commanding than her sister, but
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both Maxwell's are memorable characters early Winkelvoss prototypes. In a
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nineteen ninety seven interview, Isabelle credits her sister with coming
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up with the idea of reviewing and rating. Again, you
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see what I'm saying here, folks. These women have been
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ensconced in Silicone Valley since the early nineties, and they've
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been involved in the creation of a lot of computer programs,
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a lot of programs that are used by governments around
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the world. And my question has always been, what sort
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of backdoor did they put into those operating systems? What
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sort of backdoor did they create for themselves so that
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they can remotely access those programs. Now, of course you
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want to. If you're being skeptical or this is any
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other case, you're like, oh, come on, can't You can't
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really think that they're going to do that. But then
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when you think about who they are and their stock,
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who their father is, who their sister is, the sort
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of people they've hung around with, then you start to
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see a bigger picture emerge. And you say to yourself, well, eh,
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it's pretty likely that they added some sort of backdoor
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software to the programs that they created. The twins made
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millions when Magellan was sold to another company, Excite, but
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according to Isabelle, it cooled the relationship between the two
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of them when McKinley Magellan's parent company didn't make it.
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Our relationship changed, Isabelle said, in two thousand and two,
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and I changed in terms of my relationship with my family.
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Before then, I was completely in sync with the family.
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When something got to them, it got to me too.
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So after two thousand and two, everything seemed to go
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south for them, and their relationship changed. And also of note,
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in twowo thousand and two, Helaine Maxwell was at basically
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her pinnacle with Jeffrey Epstein. They were flying high. In
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two thousand and two, everything was going good for them.
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They had all the pieces in place. Well machine was
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a well oiled machine. Things were moving, nothing was breaking down.
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They had all the proper pieces around them, and the
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criminal organization was on its way to becoming what we
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seen at its peak. When it was destroyed. Well, I
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shouldn't even say destroyed, because we don't even know that
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for a fact, if it's destroyed, right, I should say
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until the head at the time, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested.
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So again, I'm not willing to say that the trafficking
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ring is even destroyed. Who knows. We don't have any
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information about that, right, We don't know what these people
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are still doing in the dark. So two thousand and
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two was a year for not only Maxwell's sisters of
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them having their relationship kind of go on the skids,
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but it was also a point in time where Gilain
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Maxwell was at her peak of being involved with Jeffrey
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Epstein and having the whole entire honey trap put in
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motion and moving forward. Since then, both sisters seem to
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have remained in the software and technology spheres. Christine is
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a doctoral candidate in the Humanities Department at the University
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of Texas at Dallas, and continues to consult for her
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for internet companies. Her UTD website lists a personal website,
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Christine'sworld dot com, which is no longer active, but it
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does have the brief personal statement that she came to
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the university in January twenty twelve and she's enjoying academia
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and the associated activities of big city life very much.
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It's much different from the French countryside where I was
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working on my own Internet content projects. Boy, so we
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see here that she is still working in computer software,
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that she's going for a degree here, a technology degree,
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and that sort of thing is worrisome to me because
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we don't know again what sort of backdoor these people
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are putting into these programs. And I hate to say it,
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but if your last name is Maxwell and you're related
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to Guilaine, I do not trust you. After Magellan, Isabelle
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was the president of an Israeli email venture called Calm Touch,
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and has continued to work in the country. She has
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used the title Technology Pioneer of the World Economic Forum.
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In a two thousand interview, she displays a zuck Bergian
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enthusiasm for the Internet. The wonderful thing about email is
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it's not sexist, she said, it's democratizing. Uh okay, these
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pe umtu. I'm telling you, these sort of people, the
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Maxwells and people of their ilk they're just weird to me.
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I don't even I can't even comprehend the way they think,
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in the way they live their lives. Everything is so convoluted,
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is everything is thinking ten steps in the future, about
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making a power move, about how they can consolidate their power.
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And even these sisters, you see them, they have a
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very high opinion of themselves. The Maxwell's twin twin husbands
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have truly bizarre histories, which has led observers to point
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out that they share Gilan's association with powerful and unconventional men.
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Christina is married to Roger Molina, an astrophysicist at the
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University of Texas whose father, Frank Molina, was also a scientist. Molina,
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The Daily Beast reveals hung out in California with the
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likes of Scientology founder el Ron Hubbard and rocket engineer
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Jack Parsons, occultists and transhumanists, a strange echo of Jeffrey
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Epstein's friends in similar academic and business circles. So you
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see it here, Look these people. This doesn't happen in
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a vacuum. Okay, Her sister's busy hanging out with transhumanists, occultists, etc. Etc.
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The same kind of people that Jeffrey Epstein flocked to,
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the same sort of people Jeffrey Epstein collected. So I
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have a hard time believing that all of this wasn't
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being done in a concerted effort that you know, the
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Maxwell family in general worked together when it came to
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stuff like this. In my opinion, I don't believe that
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the sisters had no idea what was going on with
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Jeffrey Epstein and Ghilane. Oh. They definitely knew what was up.
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And they were also involved in writing these programs and
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being involved with all of these software companies that were
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then distributed amongst other countries, and there was all sorts
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of security problems, and you know, it just stinks, right,
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the whole Maxwell family stinks, from Robert Maxwell on down,
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and Isabelle's romantic history might be the strangest. First, she
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married the son of Carl de Rossi, a scientist who
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invented the birth control Then Carl do Rossi and her
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son Alexander de Rossi, remember worked for the State Department
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under Hillary Clinton, and he had a big role in
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the Arab Spring, the failed Arab Spring that has went
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on to give us nothing but misery in the Middle East,
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including an open air slave market in Libya. Her third husband,
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Al Seckel, was a com man and optical illusionist who
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befriended scientists and academics despite not having a degree in
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those fields himself. Boy does that sound familiar, huh? Him
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and Jeffrey Epstein kindred spirits. He co founded a group
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called the Southern California Skeptics that investigated science relationship to
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the paranormal. Secel and Isabelle moved to France at some
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point in twenty ten, according to reports, where they lived
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in a chateau and acquired thousands of stone age tools
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to sell in the US. That same year, Sekeel hosted
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a scientific conference on Jeffrey Epstein's private island, where Epstein
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also allegedly held under age girls for sex. Presumably the
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connection was Isabelle's little sister, Gilaine. Of course that was
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the connection. Of course that was a connection. What do
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you think that this all happened in a vacuum, That
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Gilaine's sisters weren't involved, that they didn't know, that they
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weren't friendly with them, That people like al Seckel weren't
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going to be drawn to Jeffrey Epstein because they knew
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that it could move their own stock higher. Of course
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that was what was going on, folks. Secl died in
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twenty fifteen from a rumored fall off a cliff near
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his home. Yeah, you know how many so called suicides
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are going to be around the Maxwell clan. I mean again,
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they want us to believe in a lot of coincidences, folks,
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A lot of coincidence coincidences that I am not willing
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to believe in. All right, So all of these people
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just happened to slip and fall one off a boat,
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one off of a cliff. Jeffrey Epstein just happened to
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slip and fall off the top bunk. Come on, they
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really want us to buy all they shit? Not unlike
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Robert Maxwell. According to an obituary, secl died just a
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few weeks after an article in Tablet magazine exposed his
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fraudulent past and his mounting debts, but The Daily Beast
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reports that it has not been able to find official
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proof of his death. Afterward, Isabelle had to declare bankruptcy. Man,
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this is just this is so crazy. A Secel is
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a crazy cat. In general, his whole story is just insane.
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He was an absolute con man and a fraud. He
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was involved with the Edge Foundation that Jeffrey Epstein was
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involved in, and who knows what else. Right, obviously, he
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was involved in all sorts of fraud. But my question
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is was he also involved with any of the other
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players that were running Epstein? What else did Seckel know?
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Did Sekeel have any information? Was Secel also being run
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as an asset from the shadows because we all know
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that intelligence agency sure love to make it look like
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a suicide and Maxwell, Epstein, Secle all people that have
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a lot of skeletons in their closet and who undoubtedly
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held a lot of secrets. For all of them to
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die under these sort of circumstances is just it's a
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bridge too far for me. Last week, it was rumored
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that Glaine Maxwell might be staying in Mariul, France, near
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her mother's old estate, where Christine and her husband supposedly
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spent some of their time. That is until that is,
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until it was reported that they sold that home in
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twenty fifteen, and until Christine was seen packing up a
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car near Manchester by the Sea. A day later, the
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mysterious photo of Glaane and Los Angeles was leaked to
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the New York Post, possibly by a lawyer who once
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represented Kevin Maxwell. It's unknown how much contact Glaine has
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with her siblings, but it seems increasingly likely that at
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least one of them know where she is, and that's
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pretty interesting there as well. Christine Maxwell wasn't seen until
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twenty fifteen packing up a car at the house near
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Manchester by the Sea, and then a day later the
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photograph which people, you know, the photoshop photograph of in
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and out, et cetera, et cetera, pops up of Geelane
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Maxwell saying that she's in Los Angeles. So again, if
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we're dealing with regular people, you could just say, oh, yeah, well,
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no big deal. You know, maybe it was a coincidence.
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But when we're talking about Gaelaye Maxwell at this point,
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I don't think anything is a coincidence. Everything's obfuscation, everything's
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cloak and dagger, everything's spy games and everything. Everything that
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she does is done for a reason. So whenever she
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talks to the media through Laura Goldman or whoever she
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talks uses as a mouthpiece, there's a reason her picture
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being released like this, when her sister's packing up at
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Manchester by the Sea, there's a reason. So again, I
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don't know where Geelan Maxwell is, but I do know this.
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She's playing games, She's using the media to her benefit,
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she's using reports to her benefit. And meanwhile, while these
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reports are coming out and she's muddying the waters, she
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has a game plan. She knows what she's doing, she
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knows what the next move's going to be. And until
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she is completely and utterly out of moves and has
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nowhere left to turn, we're going to keep seeing the
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sort of thing from Geelan Maxwell well, the way that
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she goes about her business, the way everything is planned
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and is part of See, nothing is ever just one
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move with Gelan Maxwell. One move always signifies that something
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bigger is coming down the pipe, and we saw that
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with how everything moved forward with her talking to Laura
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Goldman through the Sun, Oh I was hacked, and then
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Oh I'm gonna sue Jeffrey, you know what I mean.
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So when all of this stuff comes out and you
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see it all in the big pitch, sure, it's hard
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to not understand what Gilane Maxwell was up to. It's
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hard to not understand what she was doing. And she
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is playing chess while the prosecution is busy playing checkers.
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So remember, every time Gelaane Maxwell supposedly says something in
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the media or has a statement, you have to look
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deeper into it. Never take it for face value. There's
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always a deeper meaning with Gilane Maxwell and what she's
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attempting to do and what her plans are, So we
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have to be very cautious about what gets leaked about
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her and what we take at face value and what
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we know is bs it's gonna It takes a lot
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of research and you have to really, really really take
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a look at what she's saying and never, never, just
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accept her statements at face value because it's to uh
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the pattern, the historical pattern that she has shown us
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in the in throughout this whole entire case, is she
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is always plotting and planning and maneuvering. She's always looking
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to manipulate the narrative, and she's always looking to put
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herself in a position where she is in control of
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that narrative. And now that that's starting to crumble down
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around her ears, and now that people are starting to
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call her out from every corner, you can possibly imagine
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she's starting to feel like she's trapped. And that's why
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we saw the barrage of the media comments through Laura Goldman,
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because she was trying to shake trees and let people
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know who were involved that if she goes down, They're
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all going down with her. Gilaine Maxwell is not the
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kind of person that is going to ever give herself
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up or is ever going to come in without being
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dragged in, kicking and screaming. And for that to occur,
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the prosecution needs to go one hundred percent pedal to
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the metal all way down in pursuit of these people,
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because you see from the article that we just read,
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we're not dealing with normal people here, right, We're dealing
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with people that are very connected. They have a lot
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of connections not only in private life but in the
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public sector, and they have people in the media, or
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they used to have people in the media that were
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willing to protect them. And Gilaine Maxwell has been a
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master at using the media to move the narrative in
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the direction she wants it to go. But those days
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are over. Nobody's buying that anymore, and everybody's onto the
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media for their role in protecting Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine
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Maxwell at this point, so nobody's buying that shit anymore.
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Every time Gilaane Maxwell says something, everybody pulls out their
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you know, their microscope to take a better look at it.
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And that's what has to happen because we can't let
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these people control the narrative, and we can't let their
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friends in the media run the narrative that these scumbags
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try and trot out. If you'd like to contact me,
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U c c I. All Right, everybody until