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Ex bludgeoned dead with golf club in home of little old lady and daughters · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Cops respond to a home to find a dead body
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Speaker 1: with an elderly mom and her two adult daughters inside.
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Speaker 1: How did that happen? One eleven? First of all, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this. Around ten o'clock Pacific time Saturday morning,
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Speaker 1: police in South Pasadena, California, respond to a home on
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Speaker 1: five Oaks Drive after receiving a call about a domestic
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Speaker 1: violence incident. As officers pull up to the property, they
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Speaker 1: can hear screaming coming from inside the home and can
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Speaker 1: see that a front window has been shattered. They enter
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Speaker 1: the home to find a forty year old man beaten
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Speaker 1: and suffering from stab wounds. What happened again? Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nay in series
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Speaker 1: M one eleven, let me introduce to you an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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Speaker 1: together again, hopefully make some sense of it all. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Kathleen Murphy family lawyer, as it is euphemistically called,
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Speaker 1: joining us out of North Carolina. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Renowned psychiatrists Joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold at angela
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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Rob Slattery, former Brooklyn, Ohio cop
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Speaker 1: swat team now private investigator at JAB Investigative Services. That
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Speaker 1: was a mouthful deputy medical examiner from Travis County, Texas.
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Speaker 1: That's Austin, the renown doctor Kendall Crowns. But first to
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Speaker 1: leave Pagecrimoline dot Com investigative reporter. Let me take this
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Speaker 1: all in now. It's in South Pasadena, California. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about that. First of all, I understand this isn't a
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Speaker 1: suburban area tree line streets, the works. Yes, you're correct, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This is in South Pasadena, California. It's about ten miles
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Speaker 1: north of Los Angeles. Ten miles north of Los Angeles. Okay,
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Speaker 1: for any of you that have lived in LA, as
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Speaker 1: we did briefly, that can be light years away, a
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Speaker 1: whole different way of life. When you think of LA,
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Speaker 1: you think of Hollywood, the mansions, the stars, the Walk
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Speaker 1: of Fame, all of that. But other Californians outside of
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Speaker 1: LA are very quickly are very quickly tell you, well,
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Speaker 1: we live in northern California, or they differentiate themselves from
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Speaker 1: LA for a reason. Outside of LA, it's some like
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Speaker 1: the suburbs. Tell me somewhere about South Pasadena, Levi. It's
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Speaker 1: ten miles out of LA But this occurred in a
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Speaker 1: residential area. Yes, it was a residential area. Nancy treelined,
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Speaker 1: that looks like a very quiet space neighborhood. And this
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Speaker 1: occurred at ten am on November twenty eight. You know,
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Speaker 1: just a couple of days after Thanksgiving. You would think
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Speaker 1: people would be, you know, happy and in a peaceful mood.
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Speaker 1: But apparently not ten am. They're right there. I find
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Speaker 1: that very interesting to Rob Slattery, licensed PI private detective
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Speaker 1: from Brooklyn. You know, Rob, first of all, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. But if you look at crime stats,
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Speaker 1: it's very rare that you see homicides first thing in
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Speaker 1: the morning. And I remember, let me just throw out
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Speaker 1: maybe there's this triple homicide case I was working, and
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Speaker 1: this is where I first became aware of this phenomena.
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Speaker 1: It involved drugs, of course, and drug turf. Three dead
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Speaker 1: bodies that we knew of. So I was in a
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Speaker 1: very high drug and crime area. I could not find
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Speaker 1: a single witness. Well, they didn't want to be found.
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Speaker 1: But here's what I learned. None of the dopers would
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Speaker 1: get up before at least one or two o'clock. It
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Speaker 1: was like a ghost town. So there was no crime,
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Speaker 1: no heavy crime in early mornings. Rob, have you ever
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Speaker 1: noticed that you don't get a lot of homicide calls
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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock in the morning. That is very uncharacteristic,
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Speaker 1: That is correct. It definitely is depending on which I mean,
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Speaker 1: Like you stated with the drug world, that is a
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Speaker 1: late night game, and you just, oh, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Rob, when I'm getting up, which is typically
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Speaker 1: around five o'clock in the morning, they're just going to sleep,
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Speaker 1: really exactly. And I remember walking into that apartment complex
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Speaker 1: and it was huge, several thousand apartments in that complex.
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Speaker 1: There was nobody out and about not even a dog
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Speaker 1: walking across the playground, I mean nobody. So to get
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Speaker 1: a HU, a psyche call, or a dead body call
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Speaker 1: first thing in the morning is very, very unusual to
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns, the Deputy Medical exam Er in Travis County, Texas,
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Speaker 1: which is Austin. Doctor Crowns, I'm sure getting to the
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Speaker 1: top where you are now in your field, you've had
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Speaker 1: to do a lot of late night and morning shifts
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Speaker 1: at the morgue. It's very how often did you say
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Speaker 1: dead bodies rolled in at ten o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: so it's it's funny the way our schedule works. The
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Speaker 1: bodies will come in, but we only work in the
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Speaker 1: morgue ourselves, the doctors, from eight am to whenever the
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Speaker 1: work is done. But I know bodies roll in at
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Speaker 1: all times of the day to the medical examiner's office.
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Speaker 1: They come in anywhere twenty four hours a day, seven
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Speaker 1: days a week, all times of the day. So twenty
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Speaker 1: four seven, three sixty five for you, that's correct. What
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Speaker 1: is the busiest time for the morgue? I guess you
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Speaker 1: guys get bodies that are discovered in the morning that
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Speaker 1: have been weighing there overnight. Um, you get the leftovers
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Speaker 1: from the night's homicidal activity. What's that was the busiest
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Speaker 1: time at the morgue? Just curious. It's neither here nor
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Speaker 1: there in this story, But I want to know the
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Speaker 1: busiest time in the morning. I would say it's probably
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Speaker 1: a late afternoon when the bodies start getting is found
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Speaker 1: the most, because you know, the morning. Yeah, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: true too, is the drug abusers got to get in
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Speaker 1: their sleep, so the people don't start looking for loved
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Speaker 1: ones until about twelve o'clock, and then they start making
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Speaker 1: calls and they start getting concerned and then that's when
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Speaker 1: they start looking for people. It's usually in the afternoon
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Speaker 1: is when we start getting our more bodies more often
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Speaker 1: than not. With me is doctor Kendall Crown's DEFU Medical
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Speaker 1: and Sandra Travis County, Austin, Texas. Again, I've never really
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Speaker 1: thought about when a morgue's busy hours are, you know,
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Speaker 1: like black Friday after Thursday for morgues. What's your busiest
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Speaker 1: day of the week. I'm just curious. Busiest day of
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Speaker 1: the week Saturday or Sunday? No, you know, Saturdays, the
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Speaker 1: weekends can always be busy, but it's often people don't
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Speaker 1: find the bodies that have been murdered on Saturday and
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Speaker 1: Sunday until Monday or Tuesday. So let's say we start
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Speaker 1: seeing the bodies pick up around Tuesday. So busiest day
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Speaker 1: of the week probably midweek when bodies start getting found.
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Speaker 1: I've been Nobody's never asked you that, have they, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Kimla Crowns, what's your busy time? Actually it's never occurred
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Speaker 1: to meet yell right now because I find it's so
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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary for a dead body to be
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Speaker 1: found in these ladies home at ten o'clock in the
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Speaker 1: morning Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we haven't even
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Speaker 1: touched a tip of the iceberg here. Let's get a
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Speaker 1: call and they respond to a dead body and the
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Speaker 1: home of an elderly mom and her two adult daughters.
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Speaker 1: But when they pull up, they hear screaming from the inside.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen again to our friend John Limley at
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com. Investigators soon learn the man's name,
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Speaker 1: He's Justin Goss, and he's in the home of his
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Speaker 1: thirty seven year ruled ex girlfriend. After paramedics begin examining him,
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Speaker 1: they discover Goss has been beaten with a golf club
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Speaker 1: and severely wounded with a kitchen knife. It soon emerges
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Speaker 1: that the assailants are his ex girlfriend's mother and sister.
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Speaker 1: But the big question of the moment is why would
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Speaker 1: the girlfriend's family attack Goss? Okay, let me try to
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Speaker 1: get a visual here, Matt, do you leavipage Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. So the cops arrive, They get
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Speaker 1: to this suburban home as you describe it, a tree
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Speaker 1: line street in Suburbia, California, and they hear screaming from
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Speaker 1: the inside. They get in, they find a man's dead body.
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Speaker 1: Explain to me what they observe when they get in
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Speaker 1: Levi Well, Nancy. When they first get there they see
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Speaker 1: that a window has been shattered with a concrete block,
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Speaker 1: and then when they get in they find the body
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Speaker 1: of forty year old Justin Goss who is from Glendell,
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Speaker 1: and he is dead. He is pronounced dead at the scene.
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Speaker 1: He had been stabbed and beaten. You know, it's very interesting.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, doctor Kendall Crowns. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you recall the Jody Arias case where Jody Arias woman
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Speaker 1: scorned angry because her lover, Travis Alexander had broken up
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Speaker 1: with her and was taking another woman on a trip
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Speaker 1: to can Kom. She sneaks on a five hour odyssey
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Speaker 1: drive to his home. They have a marathon sex session
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Speaker 1: all all day long. Then when he still refuses to
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Speaker 1: change the cancoun date, she stabs him we believe twenty
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Speaker 1: nine time and caps it off with a gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: to the head. Medical examiners have told me, you can't
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Speaker 1: be sure how many stab wounds there are because there's
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Speaker 1: so many. They start overlapping each other in the frenzy
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Speaker 1: of the stabbing, this guy, Justin Goss, just forty years old,
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Speaker 1: has been beaten to a pulp with a golf club
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Speaker 1: and stabbed multiple times. Doctor, how can you even tell
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Speaker 1: what the COD was? Well, I mean the COD is
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Speaker 1: going to be a combination of the blunt force trauma
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Speaker 1: and the stab wounds. That's not too hard to figure out.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know they were stabbed, they were beaten,
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Speaker 1: so you can combine those two together. And if with
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Speaker 1: the beating, if there's no blood associated with any of
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Speaker 1: the blunt force injury wounds, then you know they probably
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Speaker 1: occurred after death. But you can still figure out the
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Speaker 1: cause of death. But as far as the wounds, yeah,
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Speaker 1: sometimes when there's a multiple, multiple wounds overlapping commingled, it
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Speaker 1: can be difficult to sort them all out and get
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Speaker 1: a good exact number of how many stabs there were,
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Speaker 1: how many blunt for his trauma entries there were? And
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Speaker 1: joining me to announce psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold from the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie, I recall a specific case where
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman and her father, who was a
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Speaker 1: former FBI agent, murdered her husband and the dad, the
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Speaker 1: FBI agent dad, as I recall beat him with a
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Speaker 1: Louisville slug or baseball bat. Now, I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: You're the MD, you're the psychiatrist. I think there's special
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Speaker 1: significance when a person is murdered by swinging a bat
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Speaker 1: or swinging a golf club at them. I completely finger
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Speaker 1: on it, but I bet you know there's so much.
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Speaker 1: It's every bit of anger and hatred is coming out
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Speaker 1: through that baseball bat. Everything they felt towards that person
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Speaker 1: is coming out, the fear, the rage, and once you
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Speaker 1: get started, it's like you can't stop. So everything that's
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Speaker 1: been building up inside of that person is coming out
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Speaker 1: through swinging that fat and you're seeing the extreme the
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Speaker 1: level of hatred or fear or whatever that they feel
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Speaker 1: towards that person is coming out through that. Nancy. It's
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Speaker 1: not a mental disorder. It's just severe rage and hatred
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Speaker 1: getting beat out of that person. Now, I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: remember the name of a movie, Doctor Angela Arnold. It's
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Speaker 1: in black and white, and oh it's arsenic and old lace.
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Speaker 1: It just hit me. You see that Jacko, Okay where
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Speaker 1: it's a little old lady, I mean little old lady
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Speaker 1: and she I think it was with tea. Wasn't she
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Speaker 1: killing people with tea and arsening that you just put
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Speaker 1: them wherever? Yes? Can you imagine when the police get
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Speaker 1: there and they see a little old lady and her
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Speaker 1: two adult daughters just standing there and a dead body
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Speaker 1: bludgeoned with a golf club and stabbed dead. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just if the I is checking the mind because
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Speaker 1: that doesn't go together. A little old lady and dead
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Speaker 1: bludgeoned body. Well, I think what does go together is Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Something is behind that rage that they felt towards this person. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: why I think I would agree with that. I was
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Speaker 1: expecting a little more because you are, in fact an MD,
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Speaker 1: pretty well known MD, and a shrink. But I'll circle
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Speaker 1: back to that in a moment. For right now, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Mark Mester at KTLA five Now to
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Speaker 1: a domestic dispute that turned deadly in South pass A
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Speaker 1: d Investigators say it all started when an ex boyfriend
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Speaker 1: used a brick to break into the home on five
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Speaker 1: Oaks Drive this morning and attack and a strange girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: But when her mom and sister heard that commotion, they
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Speaker 1: jumped in, beating the man with a golf club and
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Speaker 1: then stabbing him. Responding deputies say they could still hear
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Speaker 1: the fight as they were arriving. The suspect, though died
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Speaker 1: at the scene. Based on the circumstances, you know, the
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Speaker 1: guy comes into a brick, breaks the front window to
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Speaker 1: the house, comes in, He's attacking, He's choking and punching
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Speaker 1: the victim on top of her. Well, that man has
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Speaker 1: only been identified by deputies as a white man in
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Speaker 1: his forties. Now. The woman who was attacked was hospitalized
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Speaker 1: had to be treated for some facial injuries, but has
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Speaker 1: since been released. Exactly what led up to the attack, though,
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Speaker 1: that's still being investigated. To Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, family
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Speaker 1: lawyer and I always marvel at that, Kathleen, that is
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Speaker 1: called family lawyer because that makes me think like a
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Speaker 1: Christmas card or a happy family together around the dinner table.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen an NC Domestic law dot Com. It is down
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Speaker 1: and dirty. That's what family law is. How many times
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Speaker 1: have you seen domestic issues end up in a homicide?
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Speaker 1: So I am fortunate I've only seen about three or four,
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Speaker 1: but I know that's pretty good number. Kathleene. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what world you're living yet. But most
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Speaker 1: people have not seen four dead bodies outside of a
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Speaker 1: visit to the funeral home. Okay, so that's just something
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Speaker 1: we can think about. Tell you what those people's fear was.
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Speaker 1: Their fear was the court system. So they beat the
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Speaker 1: heck out of this guy because they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: have to deal with the crazy court system that a
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Speaker 1: lot of domestic violence victims have to be a part of.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Kathleen, I don't know that they were
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Speaker 1: afraid of a judge, a frail old judge up on
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Speaker 1: the beach, some political appointee. I think they were more
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Speaker 1: afraid of the fact that they heard the window breaking
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Speaker 1: in the early morning hours. Take a listen to Kathy
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Speaker 1: Very KNBC and Mark Costs. The Robels. Police say Justin
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Speaker 1: Goss of Glendale assaulted the woman after breaking into his
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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend South Pasadena home yesterday. Winds up stabbed to death.
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Speaker 1: That woman's mother and sister then tried to stop the
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Speaker 1: attack with a golf club, beat him, and then he
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Speaker 1: was stabbed during the struggle. Goss was pronounced dead at
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Speaker 1: the scene. The victim is recovering for facial injuries. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace We're talking about a forty year
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Speaker 1: old man that definitely should have known better and thing
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Speaker 1: this through Kathleen Murphy. They're not even married. It's not
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Speaker 1: like they've got to divide children and property. They just
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Speaker 1: have to break up and stop calling each other. So
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Speaker 1: if it was that yeah, if it was only that simple.
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Speaker 1: But here all this over a romance. They're just boyfriend girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: I see it all the time. They just cannot control themselves.
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Speaker 1: And this guy clearly has a mental health disability. He
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Speaker 1: clearly was probably under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely not true because I've been in court a
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Speaker 1: million times. Let's see a one hundred new cases a
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Speaker 1: week times four, that's four hundred a month times twelve.
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Speaker 1: That's blah blah blah times ten years. Oh. No, domestic
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Speaker 1: violence does not depend on the perp being drunk or high.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold is very rare that I dare to
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Speaker 1: take on Kathleen Murphy, But having worked at the Battered
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Speaker 1: Women's Center for nine years at night plus prosecuting all
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Speaker 1: day long, the prop doesn't have to be drunk or
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Speaker 1: high to me a domestic abuser. They also don't have
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Speaker 1: to be mentally ill because there are people I believe
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Speaker 1: that that is mentally ill people a bad name. There
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Speaker 1: are people that are just evil. There are books written
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Speaker 1: about how people are just at their core evil, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So these people have this guy breaks into the house,
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Speaker 1: he does such it's such a drastic act. Breaks into
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Speaker 1: a house ex girlfriend, you know he's coming to do
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Speaker 1: her harm. The whole thing is, the whole thing is
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Speaker 1: just fraught with rage. Everything. Everybody has so much rage
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Speaker 1: towards each other. I'm telling you, Nancy, this man was
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Speaker 1: just pure evil. The reality is of all the cases
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted are all the women I spoke with on
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Speaker 1: the domestic the batter Woman's hotline. Very rarely is anybody
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Speaker 1: high or mainly illed the purp. Sometimes they've been drinking,
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Speaker 1: but drugs and alcohol is no excuse. It is a
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Speaker 1: syndrome that battered women syndrome. And what that is is
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Speaker 1: the abuser, typically the male, but can be a woman,
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Speaker 1: wants power over the victim and they will beat them,
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Speaker 1: intimidate them. I had a woman with a PhD that
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Speaker 1: every morning when her husband left her work hid yank.
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Speaker 1: I'd take the phones with him in the car trunk
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Speaker 1: and beat her. If she left the house. She had
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Speaker 1: a PhD. Educated, could have done anything in the world.
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Speaker 1: She had three children with him, so she wanted them
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Speaker 1: to have a home life. That was some home life, right.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is it is a calculated and
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Speaker 1: controlled cycle where you beat an attack, then you try
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Speaker 1: to make up with the victim. That's called the honeymoon
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Speaker 1: in face. Or you're nice, you might bring flowers, you
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Speaker 1: might bring home dinner, you behave for a couple of weeks,
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Speaker 1: and the tension starts, building, building, building, and bam, another
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Speaker 1: attack and then it goes over and over and over
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Speaker 1: and over. Well, I'll tell you what I would not
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Speaker 1: want to say this Grandma come down the hall at
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Speaker 1: me with a golf club. I know that much. Take
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Speaker 1: listen to John Limley crime Online. Paramedics soon determined that
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Speaker 1: forty year old Justin Goss is dead from injuries received
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Speaker 1: when his ex girlfriend's mother and sister attacked him with
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Speaker 1: a kitchen knife and a golf club. The two women
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Speaker 1: explained to police that they and the ex girlfriend had
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Speaker 1: been startled by the sound of a large concrete paver
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Speaker 1: smashing through a front window of the house. Moments later,
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Speaker 1: Goss breaks into the house and begins attacking his ex girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: choking and punching her in the face. That's when the
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Speaker 1: ex's mother and sisters step in to save their loved one.
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Speaker 1: They try and pull Goss off of the thirty seven
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Speaker 1: year old victim, but that didn't work. He was simply
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Speaker 1: too strong for them. The two women hit Goss over
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Speaker 1: the head with a golf club and then stabbed him
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Speaker 1: several times. Can you imagine that the scene? Rob Slattery,
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Speaker 1: licensed PI, former Brooklyn Police officer now at JAB Investigative Services.
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Speaker 1: These three ladies are asleep, one being an old grandma.
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Speaker 1: They're asleep in the home, two adult women, and they
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Speaker 1: hear a cement paver, a big hunt of concrete smashing
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Speaker 1: through a front window of the house right there. Rob,
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Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. This guy was not afraid,
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Speaker 1: not worried who saw him, not worried who heard him
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Speaker 1: at the front of the house. He was so arrogant
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Speaker 1: and so hell bit on getting to his ex girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: That's all he cared about. No sneaking and no climbing
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Speaker 1: through the window. He went in like a bull in
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Speaker 1: a china shop. He didn't care he saw or heard him. Rob,
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Speaker 1: that's correct, And I actually did a Google Earth search
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Speaker 1: of this street, five Oaks. There's a total of twelve
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Speaker 1: houses on this street. They're all right on top of
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Speaker 1: each other. Most of them have main windows right in
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Speaker 1: front of the home. I see why he chose that
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Speaker 1: as a point of entrance. But he was there to
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Speaker 1: do harm and force his will on his ex girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: And he didn't care. He didn't care about being thought,
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Speaker 1: He didn't care about anything. I mean, he had one
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Speaker 1: goal and it was to just terrorize her, and he
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Speaker 1: paid the ultimate price for attempting this. You mean like
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Speaker 1: a big picture window, you know that style where there's
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Speaker 1: a big window in the front. Okay, most of the
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Speaker 1: homes do, I could see that. Take a listen again
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Speaker 1: to John Limley. Justin Goss is dead after being hit
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Speaker 1: over the head with a golf club and stabbed with
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Speaker 1: a kitchen knife. He's lying on the floor of his
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Speaker 1: ex girlfriend's house after being subdued by the ex's mom
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Speaker 1: and adults sister, who stepped in to stop Goss's attack
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Speaker 1: on their loved one. The mother and sibling emerge unscathed,
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Speaker 1: but Goss's ex has been hurt. She's rushed to a
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Speaker 1: nearby hospital. With injuries to the face and is soon released.
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Speaker 1: To protect the X and her family, along with the
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Speaker 1: integrity of the investigation, police are not releasing the names
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Speaker 1: of the three women involved. You know, I'm just thinking
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Speaker 1: about the seemingly superhuman power this guy had that two
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Speaker 1: adults were trying to pull him off the victim, the
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Speaker 1: domestic violence victim, the sister, and they couldn't, Doctor Kendall Crown's,
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Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. That's Austin, Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard those stories about, for instance, a
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Speaker 1: mom picking up a car off of her child or
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Speaker 1: similar stories for seemingly superhuman strength occurs at a critical moment.
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Speaker 1: What is that? Yeah, I have heard those stories. I
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Speaker 1: believe it's like an adrenaline response. The individual is so
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Speaker 1: full of the adrenaline that they can perform an action
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Speaker 1: that they normally couldn't perform. But I don't know specifically
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Speaker 1: the exact science on it, but I believe it isn't
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Speaker 1: so happy. I finally stumped you. I've never asked you
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Speaker 1: a question you didn't have an answer to. I've heard
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Speaker 1: the adrenalineically, I did have an answer. You did have
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Speaker 1: an answer Okay, I don't know that a medical examiner
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Speaker 1: would use technicalities. I leave that to my legal brethren.
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Speaker 1: But yes, the adrenaline rush. No matter how hard these
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Speaker 1: two adult women try to pull him off the victim
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Speaker 1: and they couldn't. Hence the beating and the stabbing Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace Guys, a domestic violence case turns
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Speaker 1: deadly when police arrived to find a man beaten with
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Speaker 1: a golf club and stabbed dead, ostensibly by a little
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Speaker 1: old lady and her daughter. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: South Pasadena police are still investigating what led to the
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Speaker 1: incident on five Oaks Drive that resulted in the death
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Speaker 1: of forty year old Justin Goss. Detectives know that Goss
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Speaker 1: was attacked with a golf club and kitchen knife after
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Speaker 1: he broke into the home of his ex girlfriend. Police
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Speaker 1: say that if not for the swift thinking and action
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Speaker 1: of the ex's mother and adult sister, the story could
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Speaker 1: have had a completely different outcome. As authorities continue looking
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Speaker 1: into the case, they ask anyone with information to call
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Speaker 1: them at three two three eight nine zero five five
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Speaker 1: five hundred can also reach them by calling nine one
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Speaker 1: one from anywhere in the country. You know that's concerning
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Speaker 1: to me because you hear South Pasadena police are still investigating.
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Speaker 1: Does that mean now this the low grandma and her
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Speaker 1: adult daughter could be charged and the death of forty
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Speaker 1: year old Justin Goss after he breaks in and begins
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Speaker 1: attacking the daughter. The sister, Well, it's happened before. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our new cut number five. This is
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Speaker 1: ABC News. A frantic father called it nine one after
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Speaker 1: finding a farmhand. He sues Flores allegedly sexually assaulting his
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Speaker 1: little girl. The Lavaca County District Attorney's office released the
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Speaker 1: dramatic call Okay, I'm glad, I'm going the nailhi on
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Speaker 1: audio is just part of the evidence presented to a
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Speaker 1: Lavaca County grand jury who chose not to indict the father.
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Speaker 1: District Attorney Heather mcmihn tells us why and under the
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Speaker 1: law in the state of Texas, deadly forth course is
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Speaker 1: authorized and justified in order to stop and aggravated sexual
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Speaker 1: assault or a sexual assault. All the evidence that was
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Speaker 1: presented by the Sheriff's Department and by the Texas Rangers
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Speaker 1: indicated that that was in fact what was occurring when
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Speaker 1: the victim's father arrived at the scene. Thank god, in
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Speaker 1: that case, the dad was not indicted, but if you
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Speaker 1: listen carefully, you hear that he was actually taken to
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Speaker 1: a grand jury. A grand jury heard the case with
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Speaker 1: a possible indictment after the father finds the purp raping
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Speaker 1: his little girl in the act and kills him. That
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Speaker 1: is by far not the only example. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our new cut number seven. This is from my
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Speaker 1: Ole Home Court TV. Ducette, a karate instructor, had abducted
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Speaker 1: eleven year old Jodie Plochet several weeks earlier and taken
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Speaker 1: him to California. When Jody was rescued and returned to
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Speaker 1: his family, his father, Gary was coping with reports that
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Speaker 1: Dussette had sexually assaulted his son. We didn't know what
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Speaker 1: to do. You just feel helpless. Ten days later, when
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Speaker 1: the police flew Ducette back to face trial, Gary Plochet
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Speaker 1: was waiting with a gun. As a suspect came through
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Speaker 1: the airport already, my camera raced it up to get
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Speaker 1: a close up shot of him. As I got a
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Speaker 1: close up shot, and as he got parallel to me,
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Speaker 1: Gary Cloche shoots and that's right, Gary Pluchet shoots dad,
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Speaker 1: his son's alleged molester. That is a case that sticks
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Speaker 1: in everyone's mind. And then the dad faces charges straight
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Speaker 1: out to our guests on that case. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: that case, Kathleen Murphy, I remember it very well. I
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Speaker 1: remember it very well too. And there but by the
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Speaker 1: grace of God, Joe, I can see in that case,
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Speaker 1: Gary Pluche lay in wait. And to you again, Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: the fact that he laid in wait waiting for the
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Speaker 1: karate instructor to get off of the plane. I believe
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Speaker 1: it's why he was investigated in the murder of Jeff d.
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Speaker 1: Jay and as he should be, because we don't do
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Speaker 1: vigilante justice, well, I mean it would be our have
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Speaker 1: a difference between the vigilante justice and in our present case,
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Speaker 1: the self defense and protection of a victim in an
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Speaker 1: immediate subcircumstances. In that case, Gary Pluche, just thirty nine
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Speaker 1: years old, was indicted by a grand jury and actually
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Speaker 1: goes to trial because she shot the karate instructor. In
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Speaker 1: this case, we know that the investigation is on going
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Speaker 1: straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns I'm trying to determine
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Speaker 1: how the forensic evidence would play into the investigation, because
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Speaker 1: I don't want these women charged. What would you look
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Speaker 1: for not only on the victim's body, dad, the dead
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Speaker 1: guy's body, but on the other women to determine if
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Speaker 1: there was any defensive wounds? Explain? So, usually a medical
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Speaker 1: examiner doesn't evaluate the living, but you can. Usually defensive
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Speaker 1: wounds are typically an individuals where they're trying to protect
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Speaker 1: their bodies, so you're seeing them on the hands, on
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Speaker 1: the forearms, even on the legs and feet. What you
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Speaker 1: would look for on the individual it's it's it's killed,
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Speaker 1: is he's going to have sensive wounds where he's trying
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Speaker 1: to block the golf club, per se or the knife.
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Speaker 1: But still in that situation, it's I'm not one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent sure if there would be much of a discussion
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Speaker 1: of what were his defensive wounds or not. But I
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Speaker 1: was really thinking about the women because we know the
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Speaker 1: female victim had so many injuries to her face that
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Speaker 1: she was taken to the hospital. Yeah, so if she
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Speaker 1: did not pass away, the medical examiners wouldn't necessarily evaluate
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Speaker 1: that individual. That would be something more for the investigation,
31:33
Speaker 1: investigate agencies like the police department, we wouldn't take care
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Speaker 1: of the living. To doctor Angela Arnolds Psychiatrists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela, one of your
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Speaker 1: specialties is treating women. What are your thoughts on the case.
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Speaker 1: My thought, Nancy, is that this woman to the ex girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: had most likely been so terrorized about this man and
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Speaker 1: had let her family know about it, and there was
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Speaker 1: never anything they could do about it. That is what
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Speaker 1: my thought is. And then here he comes, like you said,
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Speaker 1: it builds up in him, and here he comes again,
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Speaker 1: and this time he's going to kill her. But they
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Speaker 1: were ready for it. They were all and not in
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Speaker 1: a bad way. I mean, Nancy, this family has had
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Speaker 1: to hear this poor woman talk about what he has
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Speaker 1: done to her, and I'll tell you something else to do, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It took her a long time to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: People don't just just start talking about how awful a
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Speaker 1: person treats them, because first, these people pull you in,
32:45
Speaker 1: like you said, And I'm sorry that I always use
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Speaker 1: this personality diagnosis, but it all stems from narcissistic personality disorder.
32:55
Speaker 1: It always goes narcissistic personality disorder. First of all, that
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Speaker 1: is not a little illness, It is a personality disorder.
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Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with the narcissist, narcissists have very
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Speaker 1: low self esteems, but they come at you as if
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Speaker 1: as if they're the greatest person on the face of
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Speaker 1: the arch. Every grandiose in their presentation and when they
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Speaker 1: first pick out their their prey, right, Okay, they're wonderful.
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Speaker 1: To the woman, it's rob at first sight. She's never
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Speaker 1: met anybody like this, And oh how quickly it changes,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. But the victim still believes there is
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Speaker 1: a chance that it could go back to the way
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Speaker 1: it was before, so they endure the abuse, hoping things
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Speaker 1: will turn around, which they rarely do. Domestic Abuse Hotline
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Speaker 1: nine seven two three three and announcement. We recently covered
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Speaker 1: the case of a young girl who went missing in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and one, Alyssa Turney. When we covered the case,
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Speaker 1: Elyssa's sister, Sarah did not speak with us, we used
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Speaker 1: her prior statements she made on her own podcast, Voices
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Speaker 1: for Justice, hosted and produced by her Sarah Turney, the
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Speaker 1: case is coming to trial. I want to make it
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Speaker 1: very clear, in no way did Elyssa's sister Sarah speak
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Speaker 1: with us prior to trial or provide us with the
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Speaker 1: sound clip. We wait as justice unfalls. Nancy Grace's crime Story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,