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Episode #3979 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Stephen Bozell. I've been a frequent
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Speaker 1: guest on the Phil Henry show. As I've tried to
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Speaker 1: make the statements that I need to make, and I've
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Speaker 1: tried to make the political positions that I've tried to make.
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Speaker 1: I'm very sorry, I'm nervous. I'm going to be featured
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Speaker 1: on today's Phil Henry show. I think it was a
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Speaker 1: very good point, but I was laughed at. Then I
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Speaker 1: go to work, people go, I heard that you got
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Speaker 1: laughed at. I can't get anything done, but I will
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Speaker 1: say this. I've asked Mr. Henry to let me do
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Speaker 1: the commercial for his merch store. And so go to
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Speaker 1: the Phil Henry merch store at philhenryshow.com and buy the
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Speaker 1: Steve Bozell hoodies. That's the B & B construction hoodie.
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Speaker 1: And not that I see any of that money, but
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Speaker 1: at least it's going to promote my business. People will say,
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Speaker 1: there goes the Steve Bozell hoodie. Is that it? No,
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Speaker 1: that's not it.
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Speaker 2: That's not it.
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Speaker 1: Get a Steve Bozell hoodie and a Steve Bozell t-shirt
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Speaker 1: and look at all the other stuff that Mr. Henry
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Speaker 1: has in his merch store at philhenryshow.com. The greatest value
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Speaker 1: online other than porn. I don't really want to say
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Speaker 1: that because I have contact with religious peoples.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to today's Radio Archive show here on the world-famous
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Speaker 3: Phil Henry Show as we take you back to the
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Speaker 3: year 2005 and we're kicking off with Stephen Bozell. Stephen
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Speaker 3: Bozell has been featured in our multiple downloads program. On
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Speaker 3: the Phil Henry Show, but we haven't really led off
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Speaker 3: with him, I don't think, in the past, but we
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Speaker 3: are today. This is from the year, as I mentioned, 2005.
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Speaker 3: It's the month of January. And this is Steve Bozell
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Speaker 3: discussing his reverse racism suit against a guy by the
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Speaker 3: name of William Raymond Bozell, a black man and business associate.
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Speaker 3: Steve believes that he and William Bozell may be related, quote-unquote.
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Speaker 3: And even Steve's family may have owned the descendants of
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Speaker 3: William Bozell back in slave trading days. So he invited
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Speaker 3: William to a family reunion, and the man naturally, you know,
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Speaker 3: declined the invitation. And now Steve's suing for emotional distress,
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Speaker 3: assault of his feelings, you know, battery against his, you know,
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Speaker 3: his ass. I don't know. Here it is. What do
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Speaker 3: you mean battery against his ass? And you're also in this, David.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 3: Stephen Bozell, folks. A lawsuit that is alleging reverse discrimination.
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Speaker 4: Mr.
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Speaker 3: Stephen Bozell joins us. And your suit, and we spoke
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Speaker 3: with your attorney a little bit earlier, your suit involves
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Speaker 3: a gentleman by the name of William Raymond Bozell, and
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Speaker 3: he is an electrical contractor, right?
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Speaker 5: Mr.
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Speaker 3: Bozell?
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Speaker 1: Sir, Mr. William Raymond Bozell is a supply contractor who
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Speaker 1: we have done business with over the past several years.
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Speaker 3: All right, this reverse discrimination that you are alleging and
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Speaker 3: that your attorney spoke with us about involves kind of
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Speaker 3: an unusual component?
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, it does. I've done business for the last
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Speaker 1: year in an electrical supply business with William Raymond Bozell,
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Speaker 1: who is an African-American. And I've got an interest in
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Speaker 1: genealogy and in names. And as I mentioned, Mr. Bozell
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Speaker 1: is an African-American gentleman, but he told me that his
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Speaker 1: family is originally from... Subner, Georgia, which is in the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta area. And as we'd done business, you know, you
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Speaker 1: talk about your family. And I knew that I had
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Speaker 1: relatives that were from that area. I'm personally originally from Knoxville, Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: but I knew that I had relatives that go back
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Speaker 1: in that area and had owned a textile mill around
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Speaker 1: the time of the Civil War. There was a great
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Speaker 1: deal there. of textile manufacturing production in the Atlanta, Georgia area.
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Speaker 1: It was a big manufacturing area.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 3: I used to live in Atlanta, and there was a
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Speaker 3: lot of faring of textiles.
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Speaker 1: Using the river down there, yes, sir. So I had
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Speaker 1: contacted an organization called Emancipation Society, and they can track
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Speaker 1: genealogy of certain Southern names as they relate to for
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Speaker 1: indentured workers from that period. And I got off the
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Speaker 1: phone with Mr. Carter, who told me....
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Speaker 3: Did you find out that this man, Mr. Bozell, might
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Speaker 3: have been involved with your family?
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Speaker 1: He said that they were going to the records, but
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Speaker 1: he told me there was a very, very good chance,
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Speaker 1: based upon what my family did, the location of where
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Speaker 1: his family.
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Speaker 3: Was, Now, according to the suit, you approached him about this?
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I did, because I thought it was very interesting.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to let him know that there is
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Speaker 1: a possibility that his family and my family had them
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Speaker 1: as indentured. And so we were having lunch, and the
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Speaker 1: lawsuit involves lunch that I had over at... We were
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Speaker 1: at Coco's here in the Montclair Mall.
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Speaker 3: And were you just with him? You were with other people, right?
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Speaker 1: That's correct. I was with... My crew chief was there,
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Speaker 1: Cliff Pettigrew, and a young man by the name of
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Speaker 1: Tony Balinski, who is one of our cement finishers. And
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Speaker 1: I said....
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Speaker 3: And Mr. William Bozell was there?
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And I said... I had contacted the Emancipation Society and
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Speaker 1: that he and me could be, you know, related and
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Speaker 1: that my family might have owned, you know, some of
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Speaker 1: his family. And I said that this weekend we were
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Speaker 1: going to be having a barbecue and we'd like them
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Speaker 1: to come. It could be like a family reunion.
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Speaker 3: All right, now let me interrupt you. We're talking about
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Speaker 3: slavery here. You say indentured workers.
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Speaker 1: Well, I understand that. If I could just finish. See,
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Speaker 1: I understand slavery is bad. No time did I bring
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Speaker 1: up slavery. No time did I demean his character. I
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Speaker 1: can tell you that... I know my people, and they,
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Speaker 1: you know, technically were slaves, but my people would never
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Speaker 1: hurt anybody. And I was trying to be, I was trying,
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Speaker 1: I was excited that my people had, you know, had
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Speaker 1: maybe an ownership interest in his family or what have you.
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Speaker 3: But you're alleging a reverse discrimination. What happened at this lunch?
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Speaker 1: Well, what happened was, Mr. Pettigrew, when I said to William,
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Speaker 1: I said, do you want to come over?
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Speaker 2: Because....
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Speaker 1: You know, my family might have owned some of your people.
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Speaker 1: And Mr. Pettigrew began to laugh. And I guess he'd
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Speaker 1: been drinking a Coke or something. I think he did
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Speaker 1: it on purpose. He sprayed Coke or a soft drink
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Speaker 1: out of his nose onto the table or something like that.
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Speaker 1: And then Mr. Belinsky, who is the cement finisher, and these,
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Speaker 1: if you know cement finishers, they're not all that bright
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Speaker 1: to begin with. And he started to laugh.
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Speaker 3: What did William Boesel say, this black man?
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Speaker 1: He said, and I wrote it down for my attorney,
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Speaker 1: you've got to be S-ing me. He used it.
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Speaker 3: Used the four-letter word?
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir. And last Sunday come and went, and they
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Speaker 1: never showed up. And I can tell you, I extended
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Speaker 1: a hand of friendship, and he slapped it away. And
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Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure now, based on Mr. Pettigrew and Mr.
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Speaker 1: Belinsky's reaction, that he didn't come to my home because
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Speaker 1: I'm white.
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Speaker 3: Well, it may have been that you offended him by
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Speaker 3: saying my family owned part of your family.
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Speaker 1: No, but you don't understand about slavery. My family never,
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Speaker 1: and there are no white family in America, Mr. Henry,
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Speaker 1: that didn't own slaves. I mean, that's just the way
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Speaker 1: it went.
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Speaker 3: Well, my family didn't get here until 1950 or 49
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Speaker 3: from Canada.
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Speaker 1: Well, with the exception of you and Some others. And
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Speaker 1: that's a long time ago. All right.
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Speaker 3: Because your family owned slaves, you know, you talk about
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Speaker 3: there isn't a white family.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm just saying that I extended a hand
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Speaker 1: of friendship to this man, that we could be related.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you say related, I mean, it's not.
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Speaker 1: He's got the same name, and you know how everything went.
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Speaker 1: So I don't think he's coming to my home because
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Speaker 1: I'm white. All right, well, I have the.
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Speaker 3: Lawsuit here, sir, and I'm sorry. I want to give
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Speaker 3: our number out, too, 1-800-449-8686. Yes, sir. 1-800-449-8686. I'm talking
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Speaker 3: to Stephen Bozell about a business contact by the name
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Speaker 3: of William Bozell, who's an electrical supply contractor. You got
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Speaker 3: curious as to his last name. Even though he's African-American,
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Speaker 3: you found out that his family comes from the same
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Speaker 3: part of Georgia that your family came from. that his
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Speaker 3: family worked possibly in the textile end of things as,
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Speaker 3: as you say, indentured workers, slaves, and that your family
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Speaker 3: operated textile mills.
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Speaker 1: That is correct. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: Now, let me just read here. You are suing for
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Speaker 3: reverse discrimination and in violation of emotional intent and emotional battery.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, because I extended, I put out the hand
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Speaker 1: of hospitality to a family member And he slapped it down.
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Speaker 3: Again, slavery was a brutal reality.
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Speaker 1: I totally understand that. I totally understand about slavery. But
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Speaker 1: what are you saying? Are you saying that I beat him?
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Speaker 3: No, I'm not saying you beat him. But if he
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Speaker 3: was a slave, if his family, if they were slaves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they have the same last name as us.
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Speaker 1: And what they did back then, probably a lot of
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Speaker 1: your listeners are not familiar, the slave or the owner
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Speaker 1: gave to the slave. his name. So they shared the
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Speaker 1: same name. And that way, they're like same family.
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Speaker 3: And so I would say, well, I mean, it's like
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Speaker 3: same family. I mean, these people got out of line.
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Speaker 3: They got beaten. They were raped.
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Speaker 1: Not by any member of my family. No, sir. No, sir,
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Speaker 1: I would ask you to be very careful how you
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Speaker 1: say that.
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Speaker 3: Look, if your family owned slaves, there's a very good
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Speaker 3: chance that there was some kind of punishment administered to
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Speaker 3: the workers if they got out of line. That was
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Speaker 3: just the way that it was.
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Speaker 1: Again, you have to watch the way you're saying it.
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Speaker 1: And if you're saying my family did that, they're in
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Speaker 1: a white family in America that didn't have slaves at
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Speaker 1: one time or another. But what I said to him was,
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Speaker 1: you know... I thought it was very interesting.
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Speaker 3: Do you understand why this man would not want to
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Speaker 3: come to your home for a family reunion, given the
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Speaker 3: fact that the history of his family would be one
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Speaker 3: of violent oppression at the hands of white slave masters?
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Speaker 1: He was not beaten up or whipped or anything.
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Speaker 3: Well, no, and you never owned any slaves.
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Speaker 1: That's right. So I was trying to say, let's let
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Speaker 1: bygones be bygones. We're probably related.
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Speaker 3: Why do you say you're probably related?
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Speaker 1: Because a lot of the blood got mixed back then.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you're talking about how the white slave ranchers
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Speaker 3: raped the black women, yeah, I suppose a lot of
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Speaker 3: blood got mixed.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, you're walking up pretty close to
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Speaker 1: a line, Mr. Henry, where, you know, I'm suing this guy. See,
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Speaker 1: he doesn't like me because I'm white.
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Speaker 3: He probably doesn't like the... Let me just give our
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Speaker 3: phone number out here. 1-800-449-8686. Mr. Stephen Bozell found out
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Speaker 3: that a guy that he works with who has the
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Speaker 3: last name of Bozell who's black, his family might have
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Speaker 3: been owned by Mr. Bozell's family. That's why they have
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Speaker 3: the same name. So he had a barbecue last Sunday
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Speaker 3: as a, quote, family reunion, end quote. The guy didn't
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Speaker 3: show up for it, and Mr. Bozell is suing for
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Speaker 3: reverse discrimination. He's going to sue this... African-American business associate
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Speaker 3: for reverse discrimination and violation of emotional intent. He says
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Speaker 3: he had, he extended the hand of hospitality to a
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Speaker 3: family member and it got slapped away. The other comment
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Speaker 3: he makes, there wasn't a white family in America that
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Speaker 3: didn't own slaves. Hardly, uh, world famous Phil Henry show.
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Speaker 4: Phil Henry show.
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Speaker 1: Dracula bit you and you were wearing a garlic necklace.
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Speaker 1: When you see the garlic farmer, he's heavy.
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Speaker 5: The Bill Hendry Show is back.
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Speaker 3: We're talking with Stephen Bozell. He's a construction contractor in Corona, California. Now,
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Speaker 3: the man is William Raymond Bozell, who didn't come to
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Speaker 3: your family. Did you have this barbecue specifically as a
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Speaker 3: family reunion?
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I told my wife, April, that I had
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Speaker 1: done some research and found that Mr. Bozell's relatives might
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Speaker 1: have been... you know, slave workers down there. And my
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Speaker 1: family had owned a textile mill in Atlanta. And since
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Speaker 1: there's the same name, I said, well, looks like, you know,
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Speaker 1: we've got some extended family in that.
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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you a question here. Why do
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Speaker 3: you keep saying family?
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Speaker 1: Because the man has my... See, you're giving me an argument, sir,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to tell you about my lawsuit.
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Speaker 3: No, I just want to know, why do you think
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Speaker 3: this guy is family? Because he has the same last name?
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Speaker 3: And if the guy's family was owned by your family
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Speaker 3: and they took the name Bozell, they were simply slaves?
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Speaker 1: Well, again, you're using the word slave. They were indentured workers.
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Speaker 3: Do you know the difference between an indentured worker and
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Speaker 3: a slave? An indentured worker got their freedom eventually. Indentured
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Speaker 3: white workers, for instance, got their freedom in five years
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Speaker 3: or ten years, whatever they were contracted for. A slave
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Speaker 3: is a slave for life. Okay.
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Speaker 1: No, you're wrong about that. And the other thing is
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Speaker 1: you're focusing on, and I was told that I could
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Speaker 1: come on your program and tell my side and not
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Speaker 1: be told.
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Speaker 3: Not be told what?
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Speaker 1: Well, not be given an argument. You know, I want
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Speaker 1: to tell my side.
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Speaker 3: Can't I ask any questions?
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Speaker 1: But it sounds to me, sir, as if you are
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Speaker 1: taking sides in this. And as a moderator of the program,
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Speaker 1: I would hope that you'd be objective. Look. I'm just saying,
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Speaker 1: to be objective.
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Speaker 3: All right, you can be objective. Alright, objectively speaking... Objectively speaking,
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you why you think a man
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Speaker 3: whose family were slaves owned by your family.
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Speaker 1: Again, now you're getting into slave.
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Speaker 3: Okay? Why do you think they took the name?
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Speaker 1: Because they didn't have a name. They had an African
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Speaker 1: name that was not pronounceable in English, so they took
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Speaker 1: that name.
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Speaker 3: Well, they got their name taken from them. They were
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Speaker 3: not allowed to use their names. Look, back then, three
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Speaker 3: black guys sitting down and having a meeting, you know
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Speaker 3: that was illegal, don't you?
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Speaker 2: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Henry, again, you are not being objective, and what I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to.
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Speaker 3: Hold on for a minute. I've got David G. Hall
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Speaker 3: as the Vice President of Syndication. David, I'm having a
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Speaker 3: discussion with this guest.
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Speaker 1: I understand that, Phil. And what I'm asking you to
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Speaker 1: do is to not take sides, but to simply listen
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Speaker 1: to this man and to be sympathetic. He was trying
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Speaker 1: to be friendly to this black who didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be friendly back.
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Speaker 3: But I happen to know a little bit about history.
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Speaker 1: Well, the little bit you know about history could be
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Speaker 1: a little dangerous. I'm just telling you to be more
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Speaker 1: sympathetic to the man. See, I want to get my point. No,
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Speaker 1: I understand that, Mr. Boesel. I'm going to try to
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Speaker 1: get your point out, but I want Mr. Henry to
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Speaker 1: be more sympathetic. He was extending a hand of friendship
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Speaker 1: to this black man, and the guy, as Mr. Boesel says,
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Speaker 1: slapped it away.
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Speaker 3: All right, so.
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Speaker 1: So please try and understand that.
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Speaker 3: All right, so your name's Boesel. This black guy's name
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Speaker 3: is Boesel.
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Speaker 1: And so I felt that we were like family. And
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Speaker 1: so I had a barbecue all set up and everything,
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Speaker 1: and they never showed up. Now, my lawsuit basically sues
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Speaker 1: for reverse discrimination, violation of emotional intent, emotional battery, in that,
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Speaker 1: as I said, I extended out the hand of hospitality
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Speaker 1: and friendship, extended it way out, and he just cuffed
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Speaker 1: it away almost as if it was, you know, like
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Speaker 1: it was disease-ridden or something. And also because he thinks
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Speaker 1: that I'm a racist because I think... that it was
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Speaker 1: a nice, I'm not saying slavery was good, but I'm
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Speaker 1: saying it was a nice thing that they have my name.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what you want me to say to him, David.
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Speaker 1: Just be a professional and interview him. You don't have
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Speaker 1: to give an opinion.
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Speaker 3: All right. Here's my question, then.
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Speaker 1: Just don't bring up.
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Speaker 1: Anything having to do with holocaust of Africans and this
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. We're past that. This man is simply
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Speaker 1: trying to say, all I'm trying to say is, my
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Speaker 1: name is Bozell, this black man's name is Bozell, and
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Speaker 1: he owes it to me to come to the barbecue
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Speaker 1: because he's got my name. See, that's what he's saying.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's not like the guy.
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Speaker 1: Why are you giving an argument? I don't understand. Why
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Speaker 1: are you giving an argument? His name is Bozell. The
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Speaker 1: black guy's name is Bozell. His family gave this black
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Speaker 1: guy the name. And I'm saying it.
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Speaker 3: So you want him to come to your barbecue?
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Speaker 1: He's got my name. And we're almost like, I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: say brothers or anything, but....
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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't come to your barbecue.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm suing. That's why he's suing. He's
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Speaker 1: suing because he was slapped across the face emotionally. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct, Mr.
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Speaker 2: Bozell?
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Speaker 1: That is it, yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: It's difficult for me to do if I could just say.
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Speaker 1: Why do you want to have a discussion about this?
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Speaker 1: I told you what I want you to do. He's
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Speaker 1: not understanding. I told you what I want you to do.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, it's difficult for me.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Mr. Henry, that this man Bozell, he
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be free today if my family didn't own him
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Speaker 1: at one time. That's the point.
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Speaker 3: The point is... What do you mean, that's the point?
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Speaker 1: That this man's freedom... is the result of slavery. And
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Speaker 1: then my family owned his family and gave him his freedom.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but see here.
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Speaker 1: But you see, you're asking questions. Just listen to what
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Speaker 1: he's saying.
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Speaker 3: Can't I ask this question? If there hadn't been slavery.
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Speaker 1: What we're asking you to do is just say, I understand, Mr. Bozell.
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Speaker 1: I understand that you are trying to do a good thing.
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Speaker 1: And this black man... He doesn't get it. That's all
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Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: If you guys are saying to me that it was
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Speaker 3: a good thing that there was slavery... We.
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Speaker 1: Didn't say that at all. I'm not saying that. You're
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Speaker 1: not trying to understand, okay? We've made.
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Speaker 3: According to your lawsuit, you had a barbecue, corn on
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Speaker 3: the cob, chicken. You see what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: No, sir, I do not. Are you trying to say
19:26
Speaker 1: that was racial?
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Speaker 3: Corn on the cob, chicken, you know.
19:32
Speaker 2: Mr.
19:33
Speaker 1: Henry, I put out what I felt was appropriate.
19:38
Speaker 3: Let me go to a phone call here. Joshua, you're
19:39
Speaker 3: on the Phil Henry Show.
19:40
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
19:41
Speaker 5: Mr.
19:42
Speaker 2: Brazil, my jaw is dropping when I'm listening to this.
19:45
Speaker 2: This is absolutely ridiculous, sir. First of all, I want
19:48
Speaker 2: to say I have no idea. where you live or
19:51
Speaker 2: how you were raised, but there is.
19:54
Speaker 1: No way that this is.
19:55
Speaker 2: I live in California.
19:56
Speaker 1: Well, you asked me where I lived. I live in Corona, California.
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Speaker 2: I have no idea. Where do you get off, sir?
20:02
Speaker 2: Where do you get off? Somewhere in that T-Brain head
20:05
Speaker 2: of yours stating that this gentleman.
20:07
Speaker 1: Actually owes it to you. No, we're insulting each other.
20:09
Speaker 1: Is that it?
20:10
Speaker 2: He owes it to you because he has your name
20:13
Speaker 2: to go to your barbecue. And because this gentleman does
20:16
Speaker 2: not go to your barbecue, you're suing him for actual money?
20:20
Speaker 2: This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in
20:23
Speaker 2: my entire life.
20:24
Speaker 1: He's calling me a racist. I'm not a racist.
20:27
Speaker 2: You are the epitome of a racist. You are the biggest.
20:30
Speaker 2: You are the typical racist that we have today in America, sir.
20:35
Speaker 1: You are the typical racist that we have in America.
20:38
Speaker 1: Go ahead, David. I want to jump in with a caller.
20:41
Speaker 1: This is David Hall. This man is bringing a lawsuit
20:45
Speaker 1: as the result of someone not appreciating his hospitality and
20:49
Speaker 1: his friendship.
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Speaker 2: All right, listen to me, sir. David, I'm sorry, I
20:53
Speaker 2: don't know your last name, or I'll call you by
20:55
Speaker 2: your last name. But, David, who cares if he wants,
20:58
Speaker 2: if he disrespects this gentleman's friendship or his hospitality? This
21:02
Speaker 2: is the place, the country I live in. And, yes,
21:04
Speaker 2: he's allowed to go off and file a, excuse my language,
21:07
Speaker 2: I'm trying to hold it back, a bullcrap lawsuit, which
21:11
Speaker 2: is going to be thrown out anyways, you know. I
21:13
Speaker 2: can't believe that. Somebody on the local news needs to
21:17
Speaker 2: go to your house Put this on the local news
21:20
Speaker 2: and let everybody who knows you and everybody around you
21:24
Speaker 2: know what type of person this is. I mean, David,
21:26
Speaker 2: you're the program director of this, and you're actually arguing
21:29
Speaker 2: with this guy?
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Speaker 1: No, I'm simply saying that here's a guy that put out,
21:33
Speaker 1: you know, a nice feast of barbecue for this black,
21:37
Speaker 1: and he doesn't show up.
21:38
Speaker 3: Why? For this black.
21:41
Speaker 1: The black man.
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Speaker 5: The Phil Henry Show. Survivor Compton. The Phil Henry Show
21:53
Speaker 5: is back.
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Speaker 3: Stephen Bozell, a construction contractor from Corona, California, is with me. Also,
21:58
Speaker 3: my vice president of syndication, David Hall. And I understand that, David,
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Speaker 3: you want this. This is a very touchy subject.
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Speaker 1: Phil, slavery and race in general is very touchy. I
22:08
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you don't push this over
22:11
Speaker 1: the limit. It's all inside. I want your job as
22:13
Speaker 1: a talk show host. But you need to understand that Mr.
22:16
Speaker 1: Bozell encountered this businessman. who also had the name Bozell,
22:24
Speaker 1: did some research, found out that it's possible that this
22:28
Speaker 1: man's ancestors had been, as he says, indentured workers.
22:33
Speaker 3: Slaves.
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Speaker 1: I told you not to use that term. He's trying
22:41
Speaker 1: to make this negative. I wanted to show my children. Look, Mr. Bozell,
22:46
Speaker 1: I wanted to show if I could be allowed to finish.
22:49
Speaker 1: My children have been very... I suppose, distant from me.
22:55
Speaker 1: And as they get older and they're into different things
22:58
Speaker 1: that kids are into. And I wanted to impress the
23:01
Speaker 1: kids to show them that I had black friends and
23:05
Speaker 1: I had a black family. In order to make the
23:09
Speaker 1: kids feel that you were plugged into the culture. Exactly.
23:12
Speaker 3: In order to impress your kids that you had black family?
23:14
Speaker 1: Yes, sir. And this guy, and I said there's going
23:17
Speaker 1: to be some blacks coming over and They were interested,
23:20
Speaker 1: and the guy didn't show up, and it made me
23:21
Speaker 1: look stupid.
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Speaker 3: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Mr. Bozell is suing Mr. William Bozell
23:28
Speaker 3: for reverse discrimination, emotional battery, and there's a host of
23:33
Speaker 3: other things here. You've also named Cliff Pettigrew and Thomas Polinski,
23:37
Speaker 3: two guys that were at the lunch who laughed when
23:39
Speaker 3: you said, come on over for a barbecue this Sunday.
23:41
Speaker 4: 1-800-449-8686.
23:42
Speaker 3: Here is Tom on The Phil Henry Show.
23:43
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Tom.
23:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, your vice president, I'm trying to figure out, how
23:51
Speaker 2: is Phil supposed to ask this guy any questions? No,
23:55
Speaker 2: they don't.
23:56
Speaker 1: Have to be inflammatory. They don't have to be inflammatory.
24:00
Speaker 2: Well, but the thing is, he's saying that it's family.
24:03
Speaker 2: And family and slavery, and I know you don't like
24:05
Speaker 2: that word, but that's really calling it what it is.
24:09
Speaker 1: Well, you've got to keep going there. All I'm saying is, yeah,
24:13
Speaker 1: they worked for my family in the South. They were
24:15
Speaker 1: not paid. You're right.
24:16
Speaker 2: They weren't paid. That's slavery then. In the South, in
24:21
Speaker 2: the history, what Phil is saying, that's just plain, simple slavery.
24:25
Speaker 3: They were not allowed to leave the property. They were
24:27
Speaker 3: not allowed to travel.
24:29
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar.
24:31
Speaker 3: Well, you should read up a little bit on it.
24:33
Speaker 1: Hold on for a minute. This is David Hall. Your
24:36
Speaker 1: name's Tom? Yes. Okay, Tom, please don't. You're inflaming the conversation.
24:41
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to. That's what I'm saying. But the
24:44
Speaker 2: thing of it is, there's really no way to say it.
24:46
Speaker 1: This is a man that was trying to impress his kids. Look,
24:50
Speaker 1: I know black people. Right.
24:53
Speaker 2: But they're incensed by that. That's how they see it.
24:57
Speaker 2: That's why he probably would not have agreed to go
25:00
Speaker 2: with him. to that barbecue because that's the way his
25:04
Speaker 2: family looks at it. They look at it straight and
25:06
Speaker 2: simple the way Phil is saying it.
25:07
Speaker 3: Right, well, and the other thing is they didn't want
25:09
Speaker 3: to be paraded.
25:10
Speaker 1: Hold on for a minute, Phil. I don't mind hearing
25:11
Speaker 1: from the caller. I want you to help calm the
25:13
Speaker 1: situation down.
25:15
Speaker 2: Me?
25:16
Speaker 1: Yes, you.
25:18
Speaker 2: Me or.
25:19
Speaker 1: No, I'm asking Tom. You can talk. Look, I was
25:23
Speaker 1: trying to show my kids that we've got black roots. Right.
25:27
Speaker 3: Wait a second.
25:29
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What Phil was saying was The
25:32
Speaker 2: other gentleman is probably not seeing it in a gesture
25:35
Speaker 2: of friendship. His family and his historical family is seeing
25:39
Speaker 2: it as something that they see as an oppression. They
25:42
Speaker 2: weren't given the name. They were forced to name. They
25:45
Speaker 2: were stripped of their name originally that they came over
25:48
Speaker 2: to this country with.
25:49
Speaker 1: I understand it, sir, but see, they were really doing
25:52
Speaker 1: them a favor because the names they had that they
25:55
Speaker 1: come over from Africa with, you couldn't, there's no way
25:57
Speaker 1: you could get it all off.
26:00
Speaker 2: You know, I work for a company that I do
26:03
Speaker 2: calls all the time, and I get people in all
26:04
Speaker 2: the time, and they have names that are unpronounceable sometimes,
26:08
Speaker 2: and that's just a burden. That's the melting pot of America.
26:11
Speaker 2: That's the way America works. We have people here that
26:13
Speaker 2: have names that are unpronounceable. That doesn't mean that they
26:17
Speaker 2: strip their name.
26:18
Speaker 1: I want to ask my employee, Phil Hendry, a question. Phil? Yeah.
26:22
Speaker 1: I heard you heave a sigh a moment ago.
26:23
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.
26:26
Speaker 1: So that's your way of making a comment that you
26:28
Speaker 1: don't approve?
26:30
Speaker 3: Well, I've got to be allowed to sigh. I mean,
26:32
Speaker 3: I find this to be.
26:33
Speaker 1: Look, Phil, we're trying to... You're just inflaming it all
26:36
Speaker 1: over the place. Just because we are white doesn't mean
26:39
Speaker 1: we don't have black blood, see? And Steve is wanting
26:43
Speaker 1: to get in touch with us. And look, we've got
26:45
Speaker 1: urban roots, and what better way of getting in touch
26:48
Speaker 1: with your urban roots than if you could bring out
26:50
Speaker 1: some blacks that you owned, or not owned.
26:54
Speaker 3: But bring out some blacks that you owned. That's what
26:57
Speaker 3: you said.
26:57
Speaker 2: That sounds bad in and of itself.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Tom, for your call. 1-800-449-8686. Nnamdi, go ahead.
27:05
Speaker 2: Well, hello.
27:06
Speaker 1: I'm Nnamdi Asika.
27:08
Speaker 4: Well, I'm an African, and it's quite unfortunate. I understand
27:13
Speaker 4: what you try to do. You try to extend a
27:15
Speaker 4: hand of friendship.
27:16
Speaker 1: I agree with you. You got it all slapped away.
27:17
Speaker 4: But you have to understand something. This guy was a
27:20
Speaker 4: prudent from his homeland. He was brought to this country.
27:24
Speaker 4: His forefathers were brought into this country.
27:26
Speaker 1: He's from Georgia.
27:28
Speaker 4: He was enslaved.
27:29
Speaker 1: He comes from Georgia.
27:30
Speaker 4: No, no, no. His forefathers were brought into this country
27:34
Speaker 4: and enslaved. Do you understand me?
27:36
Speaker 1: Did you say his forefathers?
27:37
Speaker 4: They were enslaved.
27:37
Speaker 1: Did you say his forefathers?
27:39
Speaker 2: His forefathers.
27:41
Speaker 4: No, his forefathers were brought into this country and enslaved.
27:45
Speaker 1: This is David Hall. Nnamdi, I have a point that
27:49
Speaker 1: I'd like to make. See your name, Nnamdi, right?
27:52
Speaker 2: Yes.
27:53
Speaker 1: You couldn't get that on a driver's license application. What
27:56
Speaker 1: you do is, you can put.
27:57
Speaker 3: What do you mean you can't get that on a
27:59
Speaker 3: driver's license application?
28:00
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the names from Africa, they don't fit.
28:03
Speaker 1: So you give them the name Brown or Turner.
28:06
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.
28:07
Speaker 4: I have four names.
28:09
Speaker 1: Four names?
28:11
Speaker 4: All of them got my driver's license. My four names
28:13
Speaker 4: are on my driver's license. They're four feet. Sir, no,
28:16
Speaker 4: this is.
28:17
Speaker 1: This is people's... I didn't uproot this man. I just
28:19
Speaker 1: offered him a rib dinner.
28:20
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
28:21
Speaker 4: You offered him... It's your tone. The manner in which
28:25
Speaker 4: you offered him himself. The manner in which you offered him.
28:28
Speaker 4: You don't have a right to take him to court.
28:34
Speaker 1: How could I have asked it better? He doesn't have
28:38
Speaker 1: to be there. He doesn't have to come. Since my
28:41
Speaker 1: family had a financial interest in your family.
28:44
Speaker 4: It makes no difference whatsoever. You could have invited him
28:46
Speaker 4: over directly. You don't have to ever mention that. It
28:49
Speaker 4: could just be a conversation.
28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't understand what you.
28:53
Speaker 4: Something like this happened in the past.
28:54
Speaker 1: I didn't understand what you just said.
28:56
Speaker 4: What? It could be a conversation.
29:00
Speaker 1: What about the little part about trying to... Yeah, but
29:03
Speaker 1: this guy has this name. Same name. Don't you think
29:06
Speaker 1: he owes him?
29:07
Speaker 3: It makes no difference.
29:07
Speaker 2: It's insulting.
29:08
Speaker 4: It's insulting for you to do that.
29:11
Speaker 1: It's very insulting. I can understand the guy not coming.
29:13
Speaker 1: What do you mean insulting? To invite a guy.
29:15
Speaker 4: It's insulting for you to tell him that he suffered
29:17
Speaker 4: as a slave, that you want to... He's not speaking
29:20
Speaker 4: in click.
29:20
Speaker 1: I can understand that. What are you talking about, man?
29:23
Speaker 1: You're white.
29:24
Speaker 3: He's black.
29:25
Speaker 4: You got the same name, but that name was forced upon.
29:30
Speaker 1: Blood. There's no better way for me to get in
29:31
Speaker 1: touch with my roots than with a fellow brother.
29:33
Speaker 3: What are you talking about, man? You're white. He's black.
29:36
Speaker 3: You got the same name, but that name was forced
29:39
Speaker 3: upon those people by the individuals that.
29:41
Speaker 1: Look at you, Henry. I told you to quit arguing,
29:44
Speaker 1: didn't I? Go ahead, Nnamdi. Is that your name, Nnamdi?
29:48
Speaker 1: Is that your last name or your first name?
29:50
Speaker 4: My first.
29:53
Speaker 1: Name. What's your last name? See, that could be your
29:57
Speaker 1: first name and Nnamdi could be your last name. See
29:58
Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
29:59
Speaker 4: I think that's my last name.
30:01
Speaker 1: Why don't you make that your first name?
30:02
Speaker 4: No, why should I? Why would he do that?
30:05
Speaker 1: It sounds all the same to me. If you call
30:09
Speaker 1: a guy William.
30:10
Speaker 3: Wait a second. How about if we call you Hall David?
30:13
Speaker 1: Who am I speaking with?
30:14
Speaker 3: I'm the host of the show. It's Phil.
30:16
Speaker 1: I told you to butt out! Anyway, Nnamdi. Yes? Can
30:22
Speaker 1: you imagine if Phil Henry had your accent? Good evening.
30:26
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. Good evening.
30:29
Speaker 4: Why don't you put yourself in this situation?
30:31
Speaker 2: Why don't you travel to.
30:33
Speaker 4: A different country?
30:34
Speaker 1: If I offended him, I'm very sorry. I won't say
30:36
Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. All I want to do is invite
30:38
Speaker 1: him over for a finger-licking rib dinner.
30:41
Speaker 4: It was noble of you to do that.
30:42
Speaker 1: Very noble of you to do that. I agree with you.
30:44
Speaker 4: It was noble.
30:45
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
30:46
Speaker 4: The manner at which you invited him down was improper.
30:50
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, if it was improper, then
30:52
Speaker 1: how come Cliff Pettigrew, who was at the meal that
30:54
Speaker 1: I invited him over.
30:55
Speaker 4: Told him that his family was owned by your family.
31:00
Speaker 4: I know, but hold on.
31:02
Speaker 1: If that was so bad, how come Pettigrew thought it
31:04
Speaker 1: was so funny? He spit coke right out of his
31:06
Speaker 1: nose when he heard it.
31:07
Speaker 4: Was it right to own anybody in the first place?
31:09
Speaker 4: Was it right? Can you own anybody today?
31:11
Speaker 1: Not today, but back then things were better. Can you
31:14
Speaker 1: own anybody?
31:14
Speaker 4: Was it proper?
31:15
Speaker 1: Back in the old days, you could.
31:16
Speaker 3: All right, okay. Nnamdi, thank you, sir. Thank you.
31:19
Speaker 1: Mr.
31:19
Speaker 3: Bozell, I can't believe you're that.
31:22
Speaker 1: Don't say it.
31:23
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say anything. I can't believe, sir,
31:25
Speaker 3: you're that uninformed. Slavery was a horrible thing. I mean,
31:33
Speaker 3: between 1507 and 1865, when the first slave was introduced
31:36
Speaker 3: to North America.
31:37
Speaker 1: Here we go.
31:39
Speaker 3: What does that mean, here we go?
31:40
Speaker 1: You're going to start in with your big lecture now.
31:42
Speaker 1: I didn't come on your program. I'm just trying to say.
31:47
Speaker 3: Look, I'm telling you that somewhere in the neighborhood of
31:50
Speaker 3: 100 million Africans died either coming over here or here
31:55
Speaker 3: as the result of abuse at the hands of their
31:57
Speaker 3: fellow man. It's not anything that a guy is going
31:59
Speaker 3: to want to say, oh, wow, your family meted out
32:02
Speaker 3: some of that stuff? Yeah, let's go have ribs.
32:06
Speaker 1: Well, you know what? You can both just sink right
32:09
Speaker 1: down to the fifth ring, turn left, hit five.
32:15
Speaker 3: He hung up again. World famous Phil Hendry Show.
32:19
Speaker 1: 1-800-449-8686.
32:21
Speaker 5: The Phil Hendry Show is back.
32:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you hang up on me, and then
32:28
Speaker 3: you call back.
32:29
Speaker 1: I told you that I wanted my kids to think
32:36
Speaker 1: that I was.
32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, to think you were hip because you had black
32:38
Speaker 3: family members. And I don't think that that is personally...
32:44
Speaker 3: Enough of a reason to insult a guy by saying.
32:47
Speaker 1: I didn't insult him. All I said was, how about ribs?
32:49
Speaker 1: God almighty.
32:52
Speaker 3: To a cat? Yeah, man, my family used to own
32:54
Speaker 3: your family?
32:55
Speaker 1: I didn't say that at all. I just said that
32:56
Speaker 1: I think maybe your ancestors used to haul... You know,
33:00
Speaker 1: used to carry baskets on their heads for one of my.
33:01
Speaker 3: Oh, that's really great. So what is this you wanted
33:05
Speaker 3: to do?
33:05
Speaker 1: Uh, Mr.
33:07
Speaker 5: Hall.
33:08
Speaker 1: Phil, uh, I... I want to talk to you after
33:10
Speaker 1: the show tonight. I'm not happy the way you handled
33:12
Speaker 1: this interview... We've got to make it up to Mr. Bozell.
33:16
Speaker 3: Can I ask you something?
33:17
Speaker 1: What?
33:18
Speaker 3: What is it with this guy? Why are you taking
33:20
Speaker 3: a personal interest in this interview? I've done a million
33:22
Speaker 3: of them. You don't care.
33:23
Speaker 1: Because this guy is buying a little bit of airtime. Aha!
33:29
Speaker 3: So it's money.
33:31
Speaker 1: Oh, well. You live on air? David, do you live
33:34
Speaker 1: on air?
33:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, I live on air. Three nights a week.
33:38
Speaker 1: Did you hear that one, Mr. Bozell? That was funny.
33:43
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I live on air. Okay, here's
33:46
Speaker 1: what you're going to do. You're going to let Mr.
33:48
Speaker 1: Bozell sing his song.
33:49
Speaker 3: This is the.
33:50
Speaker 1: I said to do it. I just want my kids
33:52
Speaker 1: to hear me and know that I can... that I
33:57
Speaker 1: can be their daddy and I can stay, you know, relative,
34:01
Speaker 1: you know.
34:03
Speaker 3: Relatable?
34:03
Speaker 1: Relatable, yeah, through the forthcoming times.
34:08
Speaker 3: Do you have this song, Mark?
34:12
Speaker 1: Go ahead and roll it. I've heard people say that.
34:16
Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you very much.
34:22
Speaker 1: Put the guy back on. I want to hear it.
34:24
Speaker 3: You've got to be kidding me, man.
34:26
Speaker 1: Put him back on!
34:28
Speaker 3: Mr.
34:28
Speaker 1: Bozell?
34:29
Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
34:29
Speaker 1: Did you hang up on me?
34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.
34:32
Speaker 1: You can sing, Mr. Bozell. Believe me. Yes, it is.
34:36
Speaker 3: Go ahead and roll it, bud.
34:39
Speaker 1: I've heard people say that... Well, now I'm all nervous
34:43
Speaker 1: and stuff.
34:44
Speaker 3: Oh, with bug off. World-famous Phil Henry Show is executive
34:51
Speaker 3: on iHeart Podcast.