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EP 12: How Time Feels in the Creative Churn with Michael Durr · Crafted Connections

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, welcome to Crafted Connections.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Kaila Calhoun, and this is a podcast all about storytelling and building genuine community.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Here we'll dive into the art of storytelling, unpack strategies for making meaningful connections, and hear from incredible humans who are using their story to create impact.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: So grab your favorite beverage, settle in, and let's craft some connections.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome back to Crafted Connections.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: I am so happy to have you here.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Whether this is the first episode you're ever listening to, or if you've been here for a while, I am grateful, grateful, grateful that you're tuning in, checking out these stories that we're collecting, sharing, you know, the connections we're crafting.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: I did it.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: I dropped it.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited about today's episode with Michael Durr.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: So Michael is a longtime friend of mine who is also a professional visual storyteller.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the way he does this is through freelance video and photography.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's also the publisher of North Indie Magazine, which covers Broad Ripple and North Indianapolis, but you can find him in every corner of the city, collecting stories, connecting with people, doing the dang thing.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: We talk a little bit about that experience, the creative opportunities and challenges that come with putting out a monthly publication that is a paper product.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he has really brought it to the digital age with lots of cool elements and productions.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: So he's just a really talented person, an interesting person to talk to.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we also talk about his trip to Antarctica and how he ended up actually going to Antarctica through a series of a few connections.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: He met his late mentor, Kevin Raber, who passed away earlier this year.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so not only do we talk about the experience of him meeting Kevin and going to Antarctica with Kevin, we talk about the uh event that he's literally putting on tomorrow in Kevin's honor.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's a special conversation.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really grateful that Michael took the time to chat with me, and I hope that you enjoy our talk.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, Michael.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I always say Michael Durr.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: So do people call you straight up just Michael?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like they'll usually call you Durr or Michael Durr.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: It used to be like Mike Dur.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like that used to be like my first name.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right, like Mike, but I've never called you Mike before.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't feel like.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's funny.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: When I moved to Indy, I kind of changed to going by Michael.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: You cleaned it up.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got your biz together.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: I had to be professional.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's now that we got that out of the way and recorded.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Before I dive into my many, many questions, can you give the good people what they want and tell us a little bit about you?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, where where to begin?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: How far back do you want me to go?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is your episode.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: I was born in 1982.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny, I I joke uh a lot of the time about how I've been doing photography and video literally for forever for my entire working life.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: I started at Blockbuster Video.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: That was my first job.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_03: And from there kept it going.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: When I went to school, college, uh, Illinois State University studied visual communications, kind of emphasis on broadcast journalism.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I worked right out of college for a couple television stations in central Illinois, which was a lot of fun.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: It was a good first job to have.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: I could kind of see the writing on the wall of like there wasn't gonna be a ton of money in television, especially in kind of central Illinois.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_03: When I moved back up to Chicagoland, which is where I'm from, I started working at a another television station for a brief time called CLTV.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: But I was kind of using that as a bridge to work at a marketing agency.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: I ended up getting that job.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_03: It was a place called the Marketing Store.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_03: Did photography and video there.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was just a great, a great job to have.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh learned a lot.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's where I feel like I became a professional photographer, ironically.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of learned on the job because everything that I learned in school and stuff was primarily video.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: And today it's it's interesting because photographers tend to be like scared or have trouble getting into video because it's kind of overwhelming.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I kind of did did things a little bit in reverse.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of learned the harder thing first, uh, and then learned photography, which kind of came natural uh to me, you know, having done video and stuff.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: And I loved photography.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: So that whole time that I was at the marketing store, I was also like shooting weddings on the weekends, you know, like it was like kind of just immersive trial by fire.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_03: And after working at the marketing store, I kind of transitioned to another agency where I helped start up a photo video offering, which was kind of fun.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: I ended up actually getting another job at a different agency in downtown Chicago, and we worked primarily with case construction, a brand of heavy machinery.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I was doing a lot of video and and photography for them, which was really cool.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then we decided we were gonna move to Indianapolis.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_03: I gave myself uh as long a runway as I could, which was about a year.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna try full-time freelancing.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: It was a blank slate and didn't know a single person outside of my in-laws that tells you kind of why we moved here.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: We moved here when my first son was born.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Been freelancing ever since.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: There you go, just like that.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, something about your story is you very much lean into your passions and you've been able to create a career out of that.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Can you expand a little bit more on that and what that has looked like over the years?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that that was ever a learned thing.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like I went to college.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: I knew what I wanted to do.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: I just didn't know how to do it.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't very active in high school, like looking into colleges and figuring out stuff.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: I one of my best friends uh went to Columbia, which is like an art school, kind of focusing on film and things like that.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: And after the first year there, he was in Chicago and he moved to LA.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: He's still there and he works now for Apple TV.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's cool because I kind of could have gone that route, but ended up kind of being indecisive with and went to community college for about a year, found like a video class there and realized like, oh yeah, like this is what I want to do.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_03: And ever since then, I've just kind of followed what I enjoy.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: And when I went to Illinois State, you know, I thumbed through the book of classes and it said the TV production.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, yep, that's the one.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I ended up, you know, doing that professionally.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's I've been lucky, I guess, and it's been very natural transitions.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: Every job that I had, I ended up freelancing for at some point.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like left every location on good terms and like kind of natural growth along the way.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's weird because I don't feel like I work sometimes.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: Cause like there comes like, and we've talked about this in the past, uh, issue with that.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, oh yeah, that sounds really cool.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'll do that.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and then you tend to to do stuff for free or like yeah, or take on too much.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: You realize that, like, oh yeah, I I do need to make money doing this as well.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: So balancing what you love and the business side of things is something that I still am not great at.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: There's worse things that I could be doing, right?
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and we've talked about this as well.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's getting yourself set up so that you have a strong foundation so that you can do that.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's something that you've absolutely done.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: You shared a story of your early days in your career.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, well, I'm just gonna live with my parents for a while, and then you just like put everything in the bank.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that has, I imagine, established a bit of a foundation so that you could slowly build over time.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like just jump out tomorrow.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's keeping good relationships, it's building those relationships, it's leaning into what you want to do, but then also being like, okay, cool, are the bills paid?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: What are we doing now?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of thing.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'd be interested to know like what you would share with someone who maybe is at a full-time thing or maybe isn't in the creative space yet and they might want to be.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how would you advise someone to like pursue that?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's cool this day and age because almost every business, every person needs some form of skill set of production, whether it be photography, whether it be video, there's no shortage of work out there.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I also think there's opportunity to kind of create it if it doesn't exist at the place that you are, or if you just want to try something on your own, like all the tools and stuff are there, like sitting in your pocket.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas when I started, it wasn't really like that.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like we didn't have high-res 4K cell phones and all that kind of stuff and the mirrorless revolution of cameras where you know you could shoot this high-end video content, you know, with a stills camera.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's this unlimited opportunity to pursue what you want and utilize your creativity to do just that.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: I would be interested to know how do you like to approach creative projects when you have an idea?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: How do ideas come to you?
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: How do you like to pursue ideas?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they come from all sorts of places.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like you said, where you know, I've kind of always have done what I've liked to do.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I think now I'm reaching this point where now I'm doing it for places that I like.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like I've developed these relationships through freelancing, and you know how you you take jobs, you need to make money, and you kind of take what you can get.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like I'm at this point where I've kind of crafted a lot of the people that I work with.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: You've crafted connections.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: I've crafted connections with people that I love to work with, not just the people, but also like what they do and what you're promoting and what you're sharing.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I think more recently, like that's really something that continues to surprise me.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's like working with like the IMAX theater downtown and White River State Park, and like, you know, I work with Connexus Indiana and like all these really cool organizations and cool places, and they have stemmed from just connecting with things that I enjoy.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it's cool like that that's becoming like a reality.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Things you enjoy, but then also you're like making friendships there.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: You're like pals with some of these folks, right?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because you connect over, like in the case of IMAX, like you're like high quality, beautiful film is something that intrigues you and you're into and you're like, Oh, yeah, well, let me talk to the guy who like runs the place, and then all of a sudden you're like, let's produce some stuff together, and then you've got like these cool projects.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Because I didn't know anyone when I moved here, the way that I kind of met people, at least at the start, was through Instagram.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like people that were doing cool things or like good photographers, like that type of stuff.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: So, right out of the gate, like my best friends here in Indy, I met through social media and through going to some of these like networking events and things, like photo meetups, you know, through Robert's camera and like workshops and like having a place like Robert's and having accessibility to all these cool meetups and networking events.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like the people that became my friends are also kind of my peers, in some ways, my co-workers, because as a freelancer, you know, I work alone most of the time, which uh I struggle with sometimes, but you know, it has its benefits too.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like in that, there's opportunity to build community.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And you get to kind of like pick and choose who you work with, which is a fun part of it as well.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, totally.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I can't sometimes I can't tell that like I feel like I'm friends with somebody and I'm like, do they just think I'm like a coworker, you know, or like I'm just uh the guy that they're hiring?
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, You're my you're my best friend.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: That yeah, and that that can be tricky, right?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is no HR department, you know, you're out here just like trying to like make a cool thing, do excellent work, and you connect over the thing.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, me personally, I've found that like I'm in this because I'm obsessed with it, and that obsession can sometimes become part of your identity, and then therefore you're like, Well, you're obsessed too, right?
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: So we're friends.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: That is also part of building community.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And like when you are working for yourself, what are the lines of professional versus friendship and this, that, and the other?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely a journey for sure.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: You and I are a good example of that.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we are we friends?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yes, I agree.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: I think we are.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: I just it's fun to ask, you know.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Thank gosh.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, yeah, but it's like, you know, it's funny how that that like kind of relationship built like over time.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_03: And we worked together last year on a really cool project.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: That was the first project I think that we worked on together.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: But we like kind of knew each other, we're acquaintances, and then more recently, you know, like it's like things build over time, your relationships build over time.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: So it's now going on what like seven years that I've been here in Indy, which is yeah, it's like crazy to think about, like going from not knowing really a single person now, feeling like sometimes I feel like d random people know me through social or through photography or some work that I've done, which is kind of a funny transition.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like in my community from all my time in Indianapolis, like I love my community, and it's been really lovely to transition into a nomadic living where I get to be a stranger in the city again because that was one thing.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: I want to go to a coffee shop and just work, and I run into someone and then I just start talking to them for the time that I was planning on working, right?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's you know, it's beautiful to have that community and to belong somewhere, and it's nice to like expand your horizons and meet new people and keep expanding your network as well.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: So totally.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: I I made the joke a while ago that like I sometimes felt like I was Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, the Terminator, like when he's just kind of like he like rises up.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, here I am, don't know anybody, but gonna make some stuff happen.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: You came that's yeah, it's it's like the same exact plot, like and story that you went through.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's some parallels there.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not made of metal or anything, but but there there are some parallels.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: And when I moved here, I was competing with myself.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I didn't come here to like take people's jobs or like try to, you know, undercut people or like, hey, I'm the new guy in town.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: The idea was to just connect with as many people as possible, especially at the start, and just see like where that led.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: Through that, I know I came across job posting for a photographer for the Town Post Network, which is like for people who don't know a network of local publications, like throughout most of Indiana, and would be assigned to shoot stories, like photograph stories for the magazines, and uh did that for like three years, like almost right when I started moving here.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: So, like, talk about a way of just like plopping into places and meeting business owners and building a local portfolio of imagery, which then led a few years later to me buying the Broad Ripple magazine, and never thought I'd be a publisher or an owner of a print magazine, but kind of got excited about the concept of you know, having this like control and over the stories that we tell and like the platform.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_03: I liked printing, being a photographer, having a printed tangible thing.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: Now we've expanded the magazine and been been running that for like three years.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's been just another way of kind of telling all these stories and bringing everything together.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: Happy accident, I guess.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's almost been the amount of time that I've been here because I started photographing for them almost as soon as I moved here.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then like a couple years after that, ended up buying it as Broad Ripple magazine, and then we expanded it to North Indy, which is more of like essentially I call Broad Ripple the beating heart of the North Indy.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like the central part of our mailing area now, but it's much bigger, and this is kind of my own uh naive not knowing it.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like some people think that North Indy is actually like Carmel and Fishers.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I didn't realize this at the time.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: I needed to make a name for it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: Essentially, it's northern like Indianapolis, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: So it's more from like 30th Street all the way up till you get to Fisher's and Carmel.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like that's kind of like what we consider to be North Indy, and there's not a north, south, east, west within the town post network.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: It is the Indianapolis magazine.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: I just some one person can't cover the entire city.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that totally makes sense.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I mean you're doing a good job covering quite a bit.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, on the editorial side and the stories that we run, we feature things all over.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, we feature things downtown, we feature things that are even out of town that readers and people that get the magazine might be interested in.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: What's kind of cool is like some of that content gets cross-promoted in other publications that we have.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: So some of the stories will actually go into Fisher's or Geist or Carmel or something like that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: So there's like a much larger kind of network.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what have you found and learned about community through this publication?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a crazy like I look at, you know, just recently I was looking for a photo and that I took like years ago, and it was kind of looking through this like archive of imagery.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like when you're in it, you don't think about it, right?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: You're just hey, I'm just doing the next thing.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: What I think I like most about the magazine is like this body of work that I've created.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I think over time, as it gets more and more and more, it actually becomes cooler to like look back on as like, holy cow, like look at all the stuff that we did.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: It is a monthly magazine, so it's like a churn thing, like it's a it's a mechanism, deadlines, all that kind of stuff.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: You don't really think about it in the moment, you're just doing the the work.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: But there are times and I kind of step back and look at it as like a larger body of work, and I'm like, man, we've we've covered like so much, like so many places that have opened and closed, and like owners that have gone on to expand and like all these like crazy stories, business owners and unity members, and artists and musicians that have gone on to you know, all this kind of like like stuff.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: So you have this interesting like yearbook mentality, like where you kind of go back and you look at things and you're like, wow, yeah, I remember that.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: And it's all right around me, like right around my neighborhood.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think that that's kind of neat.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: And it's also like the the medium is interesting too, right?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right because things churn so fast on the internet digitally, to have like this tangible thing that's like a snapshot in time is super cool.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I also really love the idea that like because you have this like monthly publication timeline, you're almost forced into like, let's come up with something creative, let's come up with something creative.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Totally.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's something that I've seen you very much prioritize because you could easily like simply be like, cool, we're just gonna run this article, let's take a cute photo of these people, you know, standing in front of this thing and move forward.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: But like you really try and push your creativity and keep churning.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it doesn't let you noodle on things.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: There are certainly things I would love my designer to have more time.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I I sometimes would love more time to like do a photo shoot at you know, that would involve a little bit more setup, but there's like kind of a cool aspect of no, you just gotta get it done.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I I think that goes all the way back to like my first job in the television.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, hey, go shoot that thing, and that thing you shoot's gonna be on TV tonight, you know, at seven.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: And that's just how it was.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: People like you know, ask me, they're like, How do you how do you do that with the deadlines all the time?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: To me, it's just kind of like second nature.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, yeah, you gotta do the thing and get it done.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then move it to the next thing.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's just like how it works.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I was kind of saying.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: You lose track of it as a whole when you're moving like that all the time.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I'm also trying to like yes, sell advertising, and it's a free publication, so it's like an ad-based publication.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: So you're trying to sell advertising, I'm shooting stories, I'm curating stories, you know, working on what the cover's gonna be and like all that kind of stuff, in addition to like kind of doing some of the other freelance projects as well.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: But some of the coolest things about creative projects is like sometimes everything comes together.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: And those are the things that I'm like, oh yeah, this is awesome.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: When it was still Broad Report magazine, we did a video where we brought in like local musicians and essentially recorded pretty high-end, I wouldn't call them music videos, but like highly produced performances, two songs from 10 artists, and we launched this in conjunction with Clipsh to like get a story in the magazine on Clipsh.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: We promoted this like YouTube series of local music.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: It ended up winning like this Gold Telly Award and like all this kind of stuff.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's not really possible to do that every month, but when things do align like that, it becomes pretty cool for sure.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: Producing what was it, like basically 20 songs every month?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's insanity.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: But one time being able to like merge it with a bunch of other stuff and potentially doing that like once a quarter, like that's so cool.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's super cool.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's another one we did with the Blue Angels when the Blue Angels were in town for the air show.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: We did a story, we did a story on them in kind of conjunction with the IMAX theater.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: When I went to cover the performance through the Blue Angels, we also did like a quick interview with one of the pilots cool that became the lead in IMAX video to the Blue Angels documentary that happened to be coming out.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: Cool, cool.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: So we had this pilot, it was a blue angel, talking about Indianapolis at the air show, and that's playing before the Documentary, and at the time the documentary was made like a year or two prior.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: So he wasn't a pilot yet, but he was actually the MC of the air shows.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: So he would come and be the guy that would be talking, you know, and explaining like what was going on.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: So when you see him in the documentary, he's like the voice of the documentary, which is hilarious.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, yeah.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and he's got the interview beforehand.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then he was here in Indy and talking about Indianapolis, which is really like it was crazy how that all came together like that.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, totally, totally.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: For contacts, the image that you had on the front cover.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: The cover was a good example though, a collaboration as well, because we did another story.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_03: The magazine was on a local frame shop called The Great Frame Up.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: I had this idea because I had shot the blue angels in the past.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I had good shots of them like in the sky.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I had this idea of getting a custom frame made for a blue angel's photo.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: So my idea was to shoot photos of the great frame up, framing a shot of the blue angels.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Love that.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then also running the story on the blue angels.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: So on the cover is actually you see the photo being framed of the blue angels flying in the sky.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then I actually photoshopped one of the jets looks like it's flying out of the frame.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: It definitely was the most talked-about cover that I probably did because like people were like, How did you do this?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: But it was like that type of creative project.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: If you could kind of layer these things on top of each other, they become really cool, I think.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because other publications and things like that, they can't or don't think about ways of doing that, you know?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's something about you as a publisher having a video and photography background.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's having that base and that foundation allows for like this type of creativity, right?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think a lot of your contemporaries in the publishing space, they're publishers first, maybe they're writers, maybe they're small business advertisers.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: But for you to have that visual creative background is, I think, what really influences the memorable covers, right?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just really cool.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Cause the last time we saw each other in person, I was staying at a friend's house, and that friend literally had the magazine like on his side table as I was walking out the door, and I was like, that's really cool.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: Knowing that like I've got a friend who's impacting the community.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's just super cool.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hey y'all.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know I love telling stories, gathering stories, and finding a way to help people connect their story with the people that will get it.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what my story strategy sessions are all about.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: So over at Calhoun Creative Consulting, my strategic storytelling firm, we do one-on-one and or facilitated workshops in relation to really honing in the strategy around your story.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bit of messaging meets content creation, meets storytelling.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then how do we put that out in the world?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: How do we show up regularly?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: There's a bit of mindset work around it, right?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: To actually tell your story, whether you're launching something new or trying to rework your brand or just feeling a little foggy on how to communicate with your people.
• 25:03
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• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: We'll dig into things like your narrative, how to uncover what matters most, maybe map out a few content pillars while we're at it.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: You'll also get a recording of our session so you can revisit the conversation anytime you like.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Let's shape a story that actually feels like you.
• 25:17
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• 25:18
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• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And hey, while you're at it, use the code podcast, all caps, podcast for 25% off your session.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: I would be honored to spend time with you and suss out your story.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Let's dive back into the episode, shall we?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: I do want to take a transition into a really cool project that you did.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: What was it like six years ago now?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: Would you mind sharing the story of you going to Antarctica and taking photos there?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and this has gotten more impactful recently.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: Before I even moved to Indianapolis, I knew of Robert's Camera.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: They like conducted this like online on Instagram competition.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: They called it Robert's Camera Gallery Night, where they selected images via Instagram and actually printed them and displayed them like the winners of these categories, right?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: So I submitted a bunch and you just did it like through hashtags or whatever.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: I ended up getting one in, and this is before I lived here, like before I moved here.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: I knew I was going to be moving here.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I like, you know, participated in this thing and ended up getting one of my images into the gallery.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: So I actually came down and visited that night of the gallery night before I lived here.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I met with very briefly with the owner of Robert's camera.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: Her name's Meredith.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, it's very busy.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: There are a lot of people, and I was talking to her, one of many people talking to her, and I just kind of mentioned, I was like, hey, I don't live here yet.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be moving to town and I do a video on photography.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: I love the store, blah, blah, blah.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not thinking she'd even remember two seconds after I left the conversation, but sure enough, she reached back out to me like a couple weeks later, said, Hey, I gave your name to this this guy in town uh that's looking for video help, and he runs a photography website.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, What?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I was kind of shocked that she one did that, and two that there was this guy that was looking for video help and also did photography.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like that just seemed like kind of a crazy coincidence.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I still remember to this day, I was riding my bike along I used to bike commute in Chicago.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: So I was riding my bike to work, and I got a call from him, and his name's Kevin Raber, and I hopped off my bike and took his call, and he just kind of asked me a bunch of questions on the type of stuff that I did and what I was looking to do.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: And almost as soon as I moved to Indy, I was like doing these little projects with him, doing video content for his photography website.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I was basically doing video for photography.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, man, this is ridiculous.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: I have the ability now to show in video all the things that I know and I'm excited about photography.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: So it was like lightning in a bottle.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: Things kind of exploded right out the gate, and him and I hit it off really well.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: I ended up getting more gear when I first moved here and building out my kind of editing stuff, and this was like an injection in the arm to getting all that set up.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Fast forward a few projects later, and I ended up kind of traveling to a couple of places here in the country with him on his photography workshops, and then I ended up going to Antarctica with him.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: And what's crazy is just like a week and a half ago he passed away.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: No way.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Very, very suddenly.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was actually the day after I think we we met uh at Upland.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like it's still kind of like surreal and shocking to me.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um because he had no like like health problems or you know anything.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's like had a had a stroke and like just like that, like not here, which is like I'm still having wrapped my head around it.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: But uh with that trip, having gone there with him and you know, working with him for six years, he became like family uh to me.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, through some things that he was going through with his business, like after COVID and stuff, like wasn't able to hire me as much to do video projects as he was like at the start, kind of bell curve, right?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Where like always started ramping up and doing the stuff, and like, oh my god, we're going to Antarctica and around the country and going to camera events, and then it kind of like tailed off a little bit uh after COVID.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: We were still doing stuff together.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: We were planning uh this thing called Indie Captures, which is gonna be uh an event at the indie art center.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: That literally, yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm still planning that.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: So uh the I'll fill you in on this event and and others too.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it will be an event for anybody.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be like kind of a celebration of photography, but also a tribute to to him and his work.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: So but yeah, it still still hasn't quite sunk in.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: But having gone to Antarctica with him, and we we went to Antarctica, we got back two weeks before the COVID shutdown.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you go to one of the furthest places on the planet that I never even thought possible that I would go to.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you're only there for five days, like you're in Antarctica for five, like you think about five days, right?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's nothing, yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: They missed our recycling like one week, they didn't pick up our recycling, and our recycling gets picked up every two weeks, and it went out this morning.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, has that been two weeks?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, it's like a blink.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: So going on a trip that is like so much ingesting so much, and your brain is processing so much, and it's a completely different landscape, and it's completely like it's like, yeah, it's you blink and you're like, Well, I'm glad I brought my camera.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, that's true.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: And it like being able to document things like that certainly helps, but like that trip is like it's like burned into my brain, like it it doesn't go away, like it it's such a crazy place and like so remote and so like insane.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and even like Kevin told me that it doesn't leave you, like yeah, this will change your life, like going there, and it has like we you know, I came back, I did projects that were kind of using content that I I generated there in those few days, and we recently had a art presentation at the airport, so we had like a display at the airport for six months, and this is stuff you know that was years ago now, or that was 2020, and now it's 2025, which is crazy.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but just those five days, like it's crazy.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like how much of an impact, yeah.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then also with like Kevin's impact on you and that connection too, it's like so amazing, and that's where like you you can meet one person, you can share yourself with one person, like this is what I do, this is what I'm about, and then like with Meredith connecting you with him, right?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's it's that easy, like it's a step or two away from like going to Antarctica, really, like or a human or two away.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's truly like I don't know, having that blank slate really made a difference for me.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Because everyone that I connected with was really through kind of this photography world, yeah, and it really just expanded so fast after moving here and going on a trip like that.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: But then coming back and then having to kind of live through COVID was crazy too.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, yeah, I don't want to get into the whole COVID story and like, yeah, oh my god.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because we've all been there, yeah.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: But again, like talk about like time, right?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, you have this five days that that live with you forever, and then you have two years that you don't really remember what you did.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right, because you just like two years, like yeah, well, I don't know, what did I do for Christmas or what you know, what did I do?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like you don't have any of those like experiences that like are seared into your brain, no vacations, no like no trips, no, and it's just all that time just kind of like leads together and you don't really remember anything.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, that's why like I feel like creating some drama, like putting yourself in uncomfortable situations.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was like a a mess in Antarctica.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: I had all the anxieties, like I felt I had imposter syndrome, I had just being in that remote of a location was scary as hell.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, feeling like I was underperforming, not really knowing what my expectations were.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like I was like a total mess.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: And also thinking about just thinking about humanity and nature, right?
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was some like heavy stuff for a very like quick amount of time.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: All in five days.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that's amazing.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Even now, today is like it's kind of crazy to think about.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: So you survived.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: I did, you know, with Kevin passing away suddenly, you know, he he he was older, but like too young, obviously.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah but I had I have some solace, I guess, in how it went down because he would sometimes talk about it, you know, like yeah, I'm not gonna be around forever, that type of stuff.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, he didn't want to be the uh in the hospital or the you know, I'm like support and like he didn't want to have have to be like confined in any way.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Having this happen in this way, like it almost seemed the way he would have wanted it to happen.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I try to find myself like to try to feel good about that in some ways.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: And uh planning to take it a little on my shoulders to continue some of the things that he was doing and that we had planned to do.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: But it's crazy.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: It is pretty crazy.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's good a time as any for you to share what's coming up for you and kind of what you have on the calendar that you're you're excited about.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: The event that we had planned is called Indie Captures.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be at uh Indie Art Center.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: June 6th.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: He had such a it sounds crazy, like a global impact.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like he had people around the world that you know followed his content and like you know, he's he knew so many people and traveled all over the world for his whole life, essentially.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: So we didn't want to like rush anything.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's a bit of a tribute to his work as well.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: The original event was different than what it is now, totally a little bit different.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, he didn't want to have like a memorial or uh a funeral, traditional funeral type stuff.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: We have made this event more about the celebration of his work, uh celebration of photography and community.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: So really anybody can go and but will enjoy it, and then it might be a little more emotional than it was going to be uh originally.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm working on some stuff and we'll kind of be a presenter during it, and then uh another a photographer friend of his, Rad Drew, will be presenting, and then we'll have time to like you know, network chat, tell stories, that type of stuff.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: So cool.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: So indie captures, what day is that?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: June 6th.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like it will start around 5 30, go to like 8 30-ish.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: So it should be cool.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone can come, it's free.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's also kind of like an introduction to their new theater space.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, cool, yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think I forgot to mention that Kevin was like a resident artist there.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, cool.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know that.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: He was doing workshops and you know, doing stuff with the art center over the last like six months and kind of was helping get that theater up and running, which is really cool.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: So that's awesome.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so it's been a lot, but uh, you know, still doing the magazine as well, you know, keeping that rolling, meeting those deadlines.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: I can only imagine calendar keeps moving, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: It does, yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't stop moving.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny, like how we were just saying about time and how it feels different.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: It makes time sometimes go fast, but also go slow at the same time.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: Totally, totally, totally like, oh yeah, I got time, I got three days to get that out the door.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: But it's like, oh yeah, then we gotta do the next one and then the next one, the next one.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's something cool about working that way.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I do want to ask, right?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Because okay, cool.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got that event, and I think that's gonna be really, really special.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now, where can people find Michael Durr on the integer webs?
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I my Instagram is probably what I still use the most.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's Insta Durr, and then Ripple Media Productions is kind of my more business affiliated uh website for like freelance video photography projects.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: And then this is North Indie is the magazine social account, and then it's a free publication, but we mail it to certain homes, so it's not really something you can subscribe to from a printed standpoint.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: However, you can sign up for the email newsletter.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: The best way to do it is just to go to the link in the Instagram.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, that's that's kind of all the things I think.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so proud of you.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's good to know you.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, likewise, like I haven't made a film yet, so I'm envious uh of you who have done that because I feel like I would never complete it.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: You just gotta like decide no more touching it after this date.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly that's the magic.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: I forget where I heard this quote.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: It said a video is never completed, it's only abandoned.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: Art, music, writing, like you you just have to walk away.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, I did it.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your time.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: And that the magazine, that's like it walks away from you.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, yeah, the deadline.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like no more.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_03: If I try to noodle it, then I have a few people that are yelling at me about it.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of it's kind of nice sometimes to be like, yep.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, on to the next one.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: On to the next one.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, with that being said, thank you so much for your time today.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a great place to wrap it up.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is great.
• 38:43
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• 38:54
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• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Keep creating, keep connecting, and tell we meet again.