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Sharri | 12 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Andrew, Good evening, Welcome to the show. Tonight exclusive
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Speaker 3: details of how Kevin Rudd has tried to draft Scott
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Speaker 3: Morrison in to help him shore up support within the
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Speaker 3: Trump administration. I'll also reveal that Chris Bowen has called
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump the worst president in United States history. Well,
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger and Dave Sharma are fired up about this
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Speaker 3: and they'll join me on the show. Also tonight, my
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Speaker 3: exclusive interview with one of India's top government ministers. In
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Speaker 3: the wake of Trump's win, he predicts global supply chains
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Speaker 3: and trade will change forever. He also reveals the role
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Speaker 3: India is playing in ending the Russia Ukraine War. On
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Speaker 3: the show, the journalists who expose Tamasa's mistreatment of Palestinians
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Speaker 3: destroying the left wing narrative, he'll.
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Speaker 2: Join me live.
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Speaker 3: And the Trump dance that's taking hold across America, Well,
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Speaker 3: we'll see if our panel, Bronwyn Bishop and Nick Cata
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Speaker 3: can do the moves a little later. But first I
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Speaker 3: can exclusively reveal that Kevin Rudd has tried to draft
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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison in to help forge relationships with the Trump administration.
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Speaker 3: There's even been discussion of an informal special Special Envoy roll.
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Speaker 3: This comes as pressure mounts on Anthony Albanezi over his
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Speaker 3: captain's call to appoint Rudd to the critical role of
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Speaker 3: ambassador in Washington in a recognition that Rudd will struggle
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Speaker 3: to build bridges with President Trump. He's been cultivating his
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Speaker 3: own relationship with Scott Morrison over many months.
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Speaker 2: He even launched his book in the US back in May.
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Speaker 3: Multiple sources have told me that Rudd has been asking
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Speaker 3: Morrison's assistance in dealing with the Trump team. My understanding
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Speaker 3: is that Morrison won't give up his new business ventures.
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Speaker 3: He's unlikely to accept any formal role as a special
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Speaker 3: envoy that would mean representing the Albaneze government, but he
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Speaker 3: will help Rudd informally with ties to the Trump administration,
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Speaker 3: particularly when it relates to Orcus and Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 3: Clara O'Neil's former media advisor, Jason Katsukus, wrote an article
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Speaker 3: in the left wing Saturday paper Back in June that said,
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Speaker 3: and I quote. As the Albaneze government prepares for the
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Speaker 3: possibility of a second term for Donald Trump, Scott Morrison
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Speaker 3: is being considered as an informal envoy. But as I said,
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Speaker 3: Morrison is unlikely to take on any formal role. He'll
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Speaker 3: step in if it's in Australia's national interest. The Albaneze
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Speaker 3: government has already relied on Morrison to help Rudd and
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Richard Miles seek assurances around ORCUS with Trump
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Speaker 3: and his core group, and Morrison has already acted as
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Speaker 3: an informal ambassador. He's got a good relationship with Trump.
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Speaker 3: He's one of the only Australians to have met with
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Speaker 3: the President in the past year. But Peter Dutton today
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Speaker 3: questioned whether Rudd's position as our ambassador was tenable.
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Speaker 4: The ambassador has to have a functional, working relationship with
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Speaker 4: the administration, whether that's a Democrat or Republican administration. Of course,
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Speaker 4: it's not just mister Rhight. I mean, we're talking about
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Speaker 4: mister Albanezi and Senator Wong and others in the Labor
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Speaker 4: Party who have seen fit to criticize, to criticize President
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Speaker 4: elect Trump.
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Speaker 3: Our former ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, he's on my
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Speaker 3: show tonight and he also questions whether Rudd's job as
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Speaker 3: Washington ambassador is sustainable.
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Speaker 5: More and more public commentary is emerging of him not
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Speaker 5: just being mildly critical of Trump and his administration, but
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Speaker 5: quite personally nasty and vindictive. And this is the person
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Speaker 5: who will be the president of the most important security
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Speaker 5: strategic alliance partner of Australia.
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Speaker 3: And that full interview coming up shortly. But given his
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Speaker 3: past comments, Rudd should be the last person to be
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Speaker 3: representing Australia's interests. Rudd described Trump as a village idiot
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 6: So as that changes in China's favor, and as the
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Speaker 6: United States in the last four years has been run
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Speaker 6: by a village idiot.
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Speaker 3: We revealed that on the show last night. It's been
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Speaker 3: in the news everywhere today. In the past, Rudd also
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Speaker 3: said that Trump was not a leading intellectual force.
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Speaker 4: And Donald as we know, is not a leading intellectual force.
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Speaker 4: He looked at a Trump rally and how many angry
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Speaker 4: white men there are in those rallies.
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Speaker 3: There were so many comments you wouldn't have enough time
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Speaker 3: to play them all. And so this is what quite
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Speaker 3: standably Donald Trump and his daughter in law Lara have
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Speaker 3: said about Rudd so far.
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Speaker 2: I don't know much about him.
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Speaker 1: I heard he was a little bit nasty, I hear
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Speaker 1: he's not the brightest bulb, but I don't know much
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Speaker 1: about him.
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Speaker 2: But if he's at all hostile, he will not be
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Speaker 2: there long.
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Speaker 7: It's a pretty tough comment to say, and I think
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Speaker 7: that the problem oftentimes is when people say those things
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Speaker 7: and don't have a change of heart.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of hard.
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Speaker 7: To have a position like that where you'd want to
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Speaker 7: keep someone who said such such nasty things about a person.
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Speaker 3: And those Trump comments, of course, were from his interview
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Speaker 3: with Nigel Farage back in March. And Trump's in a
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Speaker 3: circle aren't going to be inclined to do rud any
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Speaker 3: favors either.
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Speaker 1: Ambassador Rudd should know that we got his number.
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Speaker 2: He is trying to worm his way back into the
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Speaker 2: good Grace. Has been very critical President Trump in the past,
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Speaker 2: and that.
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Speaker 3: Was an interview I did with Steve Bannon in February.
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Speaker 3: Now there are claims that there have been discussions in
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Speaker 3: labor circles about whether to shift Rudd to the role
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Speaker 3: of Ambassador to the United Nations. Rudd would strongly resist
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Speaker 3: such a move. It would be seen as a major demotion. Now,
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Speaker 3: despite the crisis talks behind the scenes, Anthony Alberezi and
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Speaker 3: Penny Wong have publicly doubled down. They say they'll keep
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Speaker 3: Rudd in the role if hen Rudd the right in
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Speaker 3: the US ambassador.
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Speaker 5: Yes, he is a former prime minister, a former foreign minister.
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Speaker 5: His experience and skills mean he will be able to
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Speaker 5: work closely with whomever.
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Speaker 3: But the truth is that Foreign Minister Pennywong never wanted
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Speaker 3: to apport Rudd to this role. She never wanted him
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Speaker 3: to be our ambassador in Washington. The Thin Review reported
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Speaker 3: in March that mister Rudd was Alberanisi's captain's pick for
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Speaker 3: the Washington job, even though there were deep misgivings inside
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Speaker 3: labor over the appointment. It's understood that Senator Wong, one
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Speaker 3: of Albanese's closest confidants, was among those opposed. And now
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Speaker 3: Pennywong has to publicly stand up and defend Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 3: And Rudd is now so out of touch with the
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Speaker 3: Trump administration that he took Penny Wong and Richard Miles
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Speaker 3: to see former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo thinking he
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Speaker 3: was in Trump's inner group. But yesterday Trump went out
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Speaker 3: of his way to publicly state that Pompeo wouldn't be
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Speaker 3: part of his administration. But many in the Alberneze government
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Speaker 3: probably agree with Rudd's views on Trump, and Chris Bowen
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Speaker 3: is one of them. He wrote a book, Well, you
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Speaker 3: can't really call it a book.
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Speaker 2: It's only forty.
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Speaker 3: Pages long, so it's more like a pamphlet or a
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Speaker 3: long pamphlet. He wrote this in twenty twenty one. It's
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Speaker 3: called on Charlatan's and in it he writes Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: was the worst president in United States history. His incoherent
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Speaker 3: response to the COVID pandemic has cost hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 3: of lives. He clearly put narcissistic self interest ahead of
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Speaker 3: his country. That's Chris Bowant saying Donald Trump was the
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Speaker 3: worst president in US history. And he also writes in
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Speaker 3: this long pamphlet that he knew how to beat the
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Speaker 3: likes of Donald Trump. Chris Bowent he even compared him
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Speaker 3: with the Nazi known as German Fox. This is from
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen's book. He wrote that Bernard Montgomery famously kept
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Speaker 3: a picture of Erwin Rummel on his caravan wall as
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Speaker 3: he fought at Alamaine, so he had a constant reminder
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Speaker 3: that he had a formidable foe and to help him
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Speaker 3: meditate on what the opponent would do next.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen writes, we.
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Speaker 3: Don't need pictures of Scott Morrison, or Trump or John
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Speaker 3: on our wall, but we do need to be able
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Speaker 3: to war game their moves. He says, I have distilled
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Speaker 3: their approach down to four principal tactics that sum up
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Speaker 3: the key to their success at being Charlatan's.
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Speaker 2: These are dishonesty.
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Speaker 3: Is the best policy, identity politics on steroids, hyper partisanship,
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Speaker 3: and constant fear and.
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Speaker 2: Loathing of climate change.
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Speaker 3: I've approached both Kevin Rudd and Chris Vohln for comment,
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Speaker 3: no response so far, but clearly that's how some senior
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Speaker 3: ministers in the Albanese government feel about the new president
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Speaker 3: of the United States. Now, Albanese's first test will be
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Speaker 3: ensuring that in Australia we're exempt from the ten percent
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Speaker 3: tariffs that Chump has said is imposing on countries around
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Speaker 3: the world.
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Speaker 2: But the issue is that.
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Speaker 3: Australia has no negotiating power with Rudd in the job,
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Speaker 3: Rudd is in no position to extract concessions for US,
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Speaker 3: so Kevin Rudd is again putting himself above Australia's best
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Speaker 3: interests and.
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Speaker 2: That's the bottom line.
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Speaker 3: Rudd is putting his own personal ambition, his ego, and
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Speaker 3: his desire to live the ambassador's high life above Australia's
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Speaker 3: national interest and the best interests of farmers, businesses and families. Well,
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Speaker 3: to discuss this, let's bring in now Victorian Liberal Party president,
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Speaker 3: former Victoria Liberal Party President Michael Kroger and former.
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Speaker 2: Labor Minister Graham Richardson. Are welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Well, Michael, you've been the strongest voice on this for
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Speaker 3: over a week.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Why do you think Rudd should either resign or be
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Speaker 3: recalled by Anthony Albinezi.
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Speaker 8: Well, you might say I'm the strongest voice, but I
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Speaker 8: represent the views of nine to nine percent of people
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Speaker 8: on the center in Australian politics. I think he completely agree.
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Speaker 8: Rudd must resign forthwith. He's going to do a men's
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Speaker 8: damage to Australia. Look at it this way, Shari. Donald
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Speaker 8: Trump is going to appoint a new US ambassador to
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Speaker 8: Australia in due course. If that ambassador was on the
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Speaker 8: record saying that Anthony Albanesi, amongst all these other things,
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Speaker 8: he said, Anthony Albanizi is a village idiot that ambassador,
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Speaker 8: American ambassador comes to Australia. Albanize wouldn't see him. The
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Speaker 8: Cabinet wouldn't see him. No one in the parliamentry Labor
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Speaker 8: Party would see him, and no one in the opposition
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Speaker 8: would see him. He would be a pariah and an
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Speaker 8: outcasted last five minutes, and the Americans would take him back.
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Speaker 8: We're now stuck with the situation where everyone in America,
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Speaker 8: because it's been on the front page your stories that
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Speaker 8: others have been on the front page of the New
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Speaker 8: York Times. Every politician America, every American Republican senator, member,
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Speaker 8: the House of Reps, the White House, the business community,
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Speaker 8: every governor, everyone in the political sphere in America knows
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Speaker 8: about Rudd. He will be a riah in America. He
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Speaker 8: will be immensely damaging to Australia's interest. He will not
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Speaker 8: get through the front door anywhere. And you'd look it
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Speaker 8: back to two am Joe Hockey when Trump was trying
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Speaker 8: to put steel tariffs around the world twenty fives and
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Speaker 8: steel tariffs, Hockey and the team at the time moved
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Speaker 8: heaven and Earth. And because of Australia's great relationships with
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Speaker 8: the Americans, and with Trump, they were able to stop
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Speaker 8: those tariffs. Fast forward to today, Kevin Rudd won't get
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Speaker 8: through the front entrance of the White House, nor the
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Speaker 8: front entrance of Congress.
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Speaker 3: And why should Trump, as United States President, be expected
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Speaker 3: to deal with someone who's called him a village idiot.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't just a one off comment. This is a
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Speaker 3: pattern of behavior over several years.
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Speaker 2: Richo.
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Speaker 3: Do you agree that his position is ultimately untenable?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I think it's ridiculous having him in the job.
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Speaker 6: And I think he's got to If he can't realize
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Speaker 6: it himself, and my sense of him always is he'll
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Speaker 6: never realize it himself, then you've got a saki. You
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Speaker 6: have no choice.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 6: Elbow likes him, He's been a friend of Elbow's. I
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Speaker 6: think Elbow's about his only friend, but he is a
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Speaker 6: pretty important one. But I think Elba is just going
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Speaker 6: to have to make the big decision and get rid of.
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Speaker 3: Him, I mean, Richard, very quickly. It must be so
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Speaker 3: frustrating for the likes of Penny Wong. She's foreign Minister,
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Speaker 3: she never wanted him as ambassad and she's having to
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Speaker 3: be out there every day defending right.
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Speaker 6: Oh, it must be awful for her because we all
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Speaker 6: know what she really thinks of him, which is what
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Speaker 6: the rest of us think of him, and that's not
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Speaker 6: very good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well, it was bad news for Green's
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Speaker 3: leader Adam Bannt this morning, and support for the Greens
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Speaker 3: is plummeting. It's dropped to its lowest level since February.
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Speaker 3: This is a survey from Resolve Political Monitoring and it
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Speaker 3: shows that Michael not surprising to any of us, but
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Speaker 3: voters disagree with the Greens on negative gearing, on capital
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Speaker 3: gains tax and on Palestinian recognition. So, Michael, we still
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Speaker 3: have the issue of preferences with Labor. They haven't out
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Speaker 3: and said they're not going to preference the Greens. Doesn't
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Speaker 3: they need to be more pressure on Albanizi over this.
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Speaker 8: Well, of course, Albanize he needs to say he's not
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Speaker 8: going to preference the Greens in every seat in this country.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, let's be clear about this. This
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Speaker 8: is Albanese's decision. There are twenty one members of the
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Speaker 8: Federal Executive, the Labour Party, ten right, ten left in him.
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Speaker 8: He has the casting vote. He can direct the Federal
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Speaker 8: director of the Labor Party to not preference the Greens
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Speaker 8: or not preference the Greens in every seat. Surely there
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Speaker 8: are some seats where he's going to preference the Liberals
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Speaker 8: over some of the more extremist Greens. But what we've
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Speaker 8: seen on the congratulations, the age, on their revelation on
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Speaker 8: this this morning, you know what's happened in this country.
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Speaker 8: I think the Greens vote has topped out because it's
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Speaker 8: no longer fashionable for young people to support the Greens.
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Speaker 8: And the reason is young people who being told all
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Speaker 8: their lives that racism is one of the worst things
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Speaker 8: you can be accused of. And all of the Jewish
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Speaker 8: hatred around the Green movement and their allies and hangers
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Speaker 8: on as proof Palestinian move which is not anti Jewish, well,
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Speaker 8: there's too much Jewish hatred emanating from these circles around
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Speaker 8: the Green movements, and this has meant a lot of
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Speaker 8: young people don't want have anything to do with the
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Speaker 8: Greens anymore. It is no longer fashionable for young people
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Speaker 8: to be involved with a movement that is full of
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Speaker 8: Jewish hatred. And that's why I think the Greens have
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Speaker 8: topped out. People think they're not an environmental party, they're
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Speaker 8: an extremist bunch.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the party has changed so much rito from
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Speaker 3: when it did used to be an environmental party, as
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Speaker 3: Michael just said, under Bob Brown, well.
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Speaker 6: Under Brown they used to care about trees. They never
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Speaker 6: mentioned trees in this modern era ever. You never hear
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Speaker 6: them talk about the environment. They have certainly become the
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Speaker 6: far left of Australia and they're a pretty ugly looking bunch.
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Speaker 3: We've been speaking a lot about on this show about
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government's decision to put a billion dollars of
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Speaker 3: tax pay funds in the PSI Quantum supercomputed deal.
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Speaker 2: Now big news.
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Speaker 3: Today in that the CHRISO Foley government in Queensland is
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Speaker 3: going to review their stake in this. They could even
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Speaker 3: revoke their four hundred and seventy million dollar investment.
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Speaker 2: Michael.
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Speaker 3: Their conflict of interest in this, the involvement of labor
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Speaker 3: mates is immense. And again there's the question of why
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Speaker 3: should a billion dollars of Australian taxpayer funds go into
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Speaker 3: a startup when there are plenty of private equity firms arount.
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Speaker 8: You know it shouldn't nor should they be investing up
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Speaker 8: to a billion dollars in solar panels Sharry to compete
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Speaker 8: against the Chinese. I mean, good luck with that. I mean,
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Speaker 8: as you say, this is the job of the private sector.
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Speaker 8: This is the job of venture capital firms and private
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Speaker 8: equity firms here and overseas. I mean, if you try
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Speaker 8: to ask any of those terms, would they invest in
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Speaker 8: these proposals, the answer would be no. If you asked
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Speaker 8: any Australia whether they'd lend money provide the debt facility
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Speaker 8: to these firms, the answer would be no. This is
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Speaker 8: this is very risky investments. The government shouldn't be making it,
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Speaker 8: particularly at the time when the budget and the Australian
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Speaker 8: debt is at record levels. And of course what they
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Speaker 8: do is it's off balance sheet, so it doesn't appear
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Speaker 8: in the in the you know, in the annual profit loss.
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Speaker 8: That's how they get away with these things. But the
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Speaker 8: government shouldn't be doing this. This is not the job
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Speaker 8: of the government to be a venture capitalist. They're not
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Speaker 8: Elon Musk after all.
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 3: Look, the Auditor General has said that he'd consider an investigation,
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Speaker 3: so hasn't launched one yet. But rich O, you know,
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Speaker 3: the links have started to come out the spider network
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Speaker 3: of labor.
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Speaker 2: Connections to this.
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Speaker 3: The process is so flawed the way this company had
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Speaker 3: already met with Ed Hughesick well before any others got
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Speaker 3: that sort of access. So you know, it is a
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Speaker 3: good decision, isn't it That the Queensland l ANDP is
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Speaker 3: now going to review their own funding.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is this is a crook. Look, it's not
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Speaker 6: about that. No matter which way you look at it.
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Speaker 6: It's ugly and I don't know how Labor ever got
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Speaker 6: this far down the track. But if everything was a
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Speaker 6: time to turn around and go back right now, is
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Speaker 6: that time?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be messy to even get out
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Speaker 3: of given what that company, the side Quantum company would
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Speaker 3: have told that are the shareholders, the decisions they would
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Speaker 3: have made, It's going to be a very messy process
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Speaker 3: from here on, all right, Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, so
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Speaker 3: great to have you as always.
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Speaker 8: Thank you, Thanks Sherry.
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Speaker 3: Now there is growing concern inside the coalition, as we've
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Speaker 3: been speaking about about Kevin Rudd remaining in the role
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Speaker 3: as US ambassador after Donald Trump's win.
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Speaker 2: Well, I spoke with.
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Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma about this. As you know, he
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Speaker 3: was our ambassador to Israel and he knows well just
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Speaker 3: how crucial diplomacy is to your host nation. Here's what
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Speaker 3: he had to say, Dave Sharma, thank you very much
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Speaker 3: for your time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you, good evening, nice to join you.
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Speaker 3: Do you think at this point Kevin Rudd's position as
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Speaker 3: our ambassador in Washington is untenable?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think they're the right to be asking that question.
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Speaker 5: I mean, he is more and more public commentary is
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Speaker 5: emerging of him not just being mildly critical of Trump
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Speaker 5: and his administration, but quite personally nasty and vindictive. And
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Speaker 5: this is the person who will be the president of
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Speaker 5: the most important security strategic alliance partner of Australia and
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Speaker 5: administration he will have to work with for the next
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Speaker 5: four years. And he's on the public record. And presumably
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Speaker 5: there's more that will resurface in a way that Trump
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Speaker 5: and his advisors cannot but help notice. And I don't
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Speaker 5: think it's getting the new relationship off to a good
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Speaker 5: footing that we've got an ambassador there who has been
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Speaker 5: so critical. I mean Kevin Rudd and his job. His
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Speaker 5: most important customer, if you like, is the United States.
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Speaker 5: His client is the government Australia. His customer is the
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Speaker 5: United States government and he's been going around bad mouthing
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Speaker 5: the customer to all and Sundry, Uphill and down Dale.
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Speaker 5: It's not a good place to start this relationship.
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Speaker 3: So do you think this was an unwise decision by
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albinezi because it has been described as a captain's pick.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think at the time Anthony ALBERIZI you know,
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Speaker 5: he knew about not only Rudd's difficulties in working with
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Speaker 5: other people, which is well documented in his downfall, but
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Speaker 5: also these things he said about Trump. And there were
20:13
Speaker 5: many people who counseled against this choice, given the volume
20:16
Speaker 5: and the vitriol of Rudd's public commentary. But Anthony Alberzi
20:21
Speaker 5: took that decision eyes wide open, and even at the
20:23
Speaker 5: time he was appointed. I mean, Trump was always and
20:26
Speaker 5: has always been a likely candidate for the Republican nomination
20:30
Speaker 5: and a presidential candidate, and the fact that he did
20:33
Speaker 5: this knowing that, you know, it raised a serious questions
20:35
Speaker 5: about the judgment he exercised in making this appointment.
20:38
Speaker 3: I mean, Joe Hockey famously had an excellent relationship with
20:42
Speaker 3: Donald Trump.
20:42
Speaker 2: We know they played golf.
20:44
Speaker 3: Together, but Kevin Rudd has never met Donald Trump. Is
20:48
Speaker 3: this unusual for an ambassador in such a crucial posting
20:52
Speaker 3: with one of our closest allies.
20:54
Speaker 5: I find it remarkable. I mean, the job of any
20:56
Speaker 5: ambassador is to get to know all the political leaders,
20:59
Speaker 5: current and future in a country. When I was in Israel,
21:02
Speaker 5: I knew the opposition leaders, the leaders of all the
21:04
Speaker 5: political parties, the past prime ministers and all the future
21:07
Speaker 5: prime ministers. Now, why Kevin Rudd has not been able
21:10
Speaker 5: to or has not thought it worth his time to
21:12
Speaker 5: secure a meeting with Donald Trump. Why he did not
21:14
Speaker 5: take Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezi and Richard Marles to
21:17
Speaker 5: see Donald Trump? Just biggers belief. I mean, before George W.
21:21
Speaker 5: Bush became the president in two thousand, many senior Australian
21:25
Speaker 5: political figures had met him, and Andrew Peacock, our ambassador
21:28
Speaker 5: at the time, had a personal relationship with him.
21:31
Speaker 3: Now, back in February this year, you asked Penny Wong
21:35
Speaker 3: in Senate Estimates why Kevin Rudd's criticisms of Donald Trump
21:40
Speaker 3: still remained on his social media accounts. You pushed Penny
21:44
Speaker 3: Wong on this, They didn't remove them instead, they waited
21:48
Speaker 3: nine months before Kevin Rudd deleted his tweets. It's now
21:52
Speaker 3: become a big story. It's in the New York Times,
21:55
Speaker 3: made an even bigger issue, amplified the issue of his
21:58
Speaker 3: offensive remarks. Have taken your advice back in February.
22:02
Speaker 5: I think they should have, and I raised those concerns
22:04
Speaker 5: in good faith, thinking this is not very tenable for
22:07
Speaker 5: our ambassador to the United States to still have on
22:10
Speaker 5: their public record these remarks, and the Department of Foreign
22:13
Speaker 5: Affairs and Trade, Penny Wong was offhand and dismissive and said, yeah,
22:16
Speaker 5: we'll take a look at your suggestion. But as you
22:18
Speaker 5: point out, it took them until I think the day
22:20
Speaker 5: of the election in Australia Tuesday, Australian time, before they
22:23
Speaker 5: remove these tweets, and then of course that becomes the story.
22:26
Speaker 5: The New York Times covers the story, which means the
22:28
Speaker 5: US media knows about it, which means all of Trump
22:31
Speaker 5: and He's inner circle knows about it. This is a
22:33
Speaker 5: much bigger problem than it needed to be because of
22:36
Speaker 5: the way that Kevin Rudd and this government have handled it.
22:39
Speaker 3: At this point, there are businesses and farmers across Australia
22:43
Speaker 3: who are relying on Rudd to extract a concession from
22:47
Speaker 3: the Trump administration to exempt us from the ten percent
22:50
Speaker 3: tariffs that he intends to impose internationally. Clearly Kevin rd
22:55
Speaker 3: wouldn't be the best person to do this. Do you
22:57
Speaker 3: think he's putting his self interest ahead of about national
23:00
Speaker 3: interest if he chooses to remain in the job.
23:03
Speaker 5: Well, this is something the government has to answer. I mean,
23:06
Speaker 5: the role of ambassador is bigger than any one individual's
23:09
Speaker 5: ambition or ego. They need to make sure the Alban
23:12
Speaker 5: Easy Labor government needs to make sure we've got the
23:14
Speaker 5: best ambassador in place who can work with the Trump
23:16
Speaker 5: administration and secure our national interests, whether it's exemptions from tariffs,
23:21
Speaker 5: whether it's the continuation of the Orcas submarine deal, whether
23:23
Speaker 5: it's a stronger US military and strategic presence in our region.
23:27
Speaker 5: And you've got to ask the question, you know, is
23:29
Speaker 5: Kevin Rudd the best person to do that?
23:32
Speaker 2: Is he putting his ego above the national interest? Well?
23:35
Speaker 5: I think but Labor by keeping him, then, certainly Alban
23:37
Speaker 5: Easy by appointing him knowing all of this as allowed
23:41
Speaker 5: personal and other political considerations to influence what should have
23:45
Speaker 5: been a national interest appointment.
23:47
Speaker 3: Just before you go, I want to ask your view
23:50
Speaker 3: on the scenes we've seen in Amsterdam, firstly on Thursday night,
23:53
Speaker 3: but then again aggressive and violent protests last night. You know,
23:58
Speaker 3: these sort of scenes are being replicated the world over.
24:01
Speaker 2: How worried are you about this?
24:03
Speaker 5: I'm very worried. I was shocked by those scenes from Amsterdam,
24:06
Speaker 5: but it doesn't take much imagination to envisag something similar
24:10
Speaker 5: happening in Australia, and we've already seen mobs out of control, rioting,
24:15
Speaker 5: burning of flags, chanting of slogans in Australia. I just
24:19
Speaker 5: I mean, it shocks me that anti Semitism has reached
24:22
Speaker 5: these levels, that we're seeing things that we thought we'd
24:24
Speaker 5: left behind in nineteen thirties Europe. But I think it's
24:28
Speaker 5: also a reminder to governments around the world and law
24:30
Speaker 5: enforcement around the world that they have to take a
24:33
Speaker 5: zero tolerance approach to these sorts of activities. They need
24:36
Speaker 5: to make arrests, they need to make charges, and they
24:38
Speaker 5: need to make utterly clear in their public statements that
24:40
Speaker 5: this sort of action targeting a group of individuals because
24:44
Speaker 5: of their religional nationality is completely and utterly unacceptable.
24:48
Speaker 2: Completely agree, Dave Sharma.
24:49
Speaker 3: Great to have you here, Thanks so much, and still
24:55
Speaker 3: to come make exclusive interview with one of India's top
24:59
Speaker 3: government ministers. I press him on their relationship with Russia. Plus,
25:04
Speaker 3: has Albanezi asked the WA premier to shift the state
25:08
Speaker 3: election date?
25:09
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly looks like it.
25:10
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about that with Bronwyn Bishop and
25:13
Speaker 3: Nick Cata next, welcome back. Well, let's bring in now
25:23
Speaker 3: senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center, Nick Cater and
25:25
Speaker 3: former Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop.
25:28
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Great to see you.
25:31
Speaker 3: Now it looks like Anthony Albanezi might have asked the
25:34
Speaker 3: WA Premier, Roger Cook, to bring forward the date of
25:38
Speaker 3: the WA state election. So Roger Cook has confirmed that
25:42
Speaker 3: he's had legal advice on whether he could change the
25:46
Speaker 3: March eight date of the WA state election. Now, unlike
25:50
Speaker 3: the federal election, the state election date in Wa is
25:53
Speaker 3: set well in advance. It was on March the eighth,
25:57
Speaker 3: and now he's looking to move it. So Albanese's denying
26:02
Speaker 3: having any involvement, but the reports, at least in the
26:05
Speaker 3: West Australian, are that there has been a conversation that
26:09
Speaker 3: Albanese has asked Roger Cook to move the date, which
26:12
Speaker 3: means that he would be looking bronwin at having an
26:15
Speaker 3: earlier election, perhaps calling it on Australia Day and having
26:19
Speaker 3: it in March, maybe March eight.
26:21
Speaker 10: I've been saying all along there'll be an early election.
26:24
Speaker 10: There won't be another budget because the next one would
26:27
Speaker 10: be in deficit. They were ready to roll in December,
26:31
Speaker 10: That's why they had that speech all ready to go
26:35
Speaker 10: in Adelaide, and they had all the policies ready to
26:38
Speaker 10: jump and force all the legislation through. But things weren't
26:42
Speaker 10: looking too good for December. So it'll be, I would think,
26:46
Speaker 10: called just after Australia Day. So they can't they can't wait.
26:50
Speaker 10: They can't wait. It gets worse a lot better.
26:53
Speaker 3: I mean talking about Wa Nick cata Wa was a
26:57
Speaker 3: disaster for the Coalition at the last election. Peter Dutton
27:00
Speaker 3: has been making a lot of visits to the state,
27:03
Speaker 3: but he.
27:03
Speaker 2: Needs to make up a lot of ground there.
27:08
Speaker 11: Yes, but I think he certainly will because when you know,
27:12
Speaker 11: you go to rock bottom, which is really where the
27:15
Speaker 11: Liberal Party ended up there after the last election, then
27:19
Speaker 11: you know the only way is up, and this is
27:20
Speaker 11: one of the big problems of course for alb and Easy.
27:22
Speaker 11: He actually needs to increase his majority if he what
27:26
Speaker 11: stands a chance of running a stable government. He clearly
27:29
Speaker 11: is not going to do that. I mean, he's definitely
27:31
Speaker 11: going to lose. Every second term government or a temper
27:35
Speaker 11: seconding government loses seats, right, That's just what happens. That's
27:39
Speaker 11: what's happened since you know, certainly since World War Two.
27:43
Speaker 11: So he's going to lose seats. He'll lose seats in
27:45
Speaker 11: Way I think, And so I can see why he's
27:47
Speaker 11: very sensitive about the Way election and why he would
27:52
Speaker 11: it makes perfect sense that he would have approached the
27:54
Speaker 11: premiere and asked him if he could move the day
27:56
Speaker 11: to the state election.
27:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now he's being all sneaky about it. But
28:00
Speaker 3: the leaks are coming out of Way Labor, no question
28:03
Speaker 3: about that.
28:04
Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at the.
28:06
Speaker 3: US because Donald Trump is announcing it key appointments. They're
28:09
Speaker 3: coming thick and fast now and in one excellent appointment,
28:12
Speaker 3: Senator Marco Rubio will be the next Secretary of State.
28:16
Speaker 2: In my view, this is an excellent choice.
28:19
Speaker 3: Strong on foreign policy, he's brilliant on China, on Israel,
28:22
Speaker 3: on Iran, and he hasn't been afraid to call out
28:26
Speaker 3: nonsense from advocates. If we've got the clip, let's have
28:29
Speaker 3: a look at this, will you conference.
28:35
Speaker 1: I want you guys to get this.
28:36
Speaker 2: I want them to destroy every element of master they
28:39
Speaker 2: can get their hands on.
28:40
Speaker 9: These people are vicious animals who did horrifying crimes. And
28:43
Speaker 9: I hope you guys post that.
28:45
Speaker 2: What about the civilians?
28:47
Speaker 1: Every day the martials stop hunting behind civilians, putting civilians
28:50
Speaker 1: in the way, brom.
28:53
Speaker 3: When this is a really good sign for the Trump
28:55
Speaker 3: administration that someone who is so strong on foreign policy
28:59
Speaker 3: is going to be Secretary of State, especially you know,
29:01
Speaker 3: just after we found out that Pompeo is not going
29:04
Speaker 3: to be part.
29:04
Speaker 2: Of the administration.
29:05
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And what it's showing is that he's put a
29:10
Speaker 10: hell of a lot of work into thinking who is
29:12
Speaker 10: going to put where, the speed of which he's making
29:15
Speaker 10: announcements and they fit, each one fits. We remember what
29:19
Speaker 10: happened when he was elected in twenty sixteen. The thought
29:22
Speaker 10: hadn't gone into it, but by gosh, it has this time.
29:25
Speaker 10: And Rubio is an excellent choice. And I think the
29:29
Speaker 10: choices he's made to date are excellent choices.
29:32
Speaker 3: I've got some intel actually that Pompeo's involvement with a
29:36
Speaker 3: Ukrainian contract might have been part of the reason why
29:40
Speaker 3: Trump didn't want him. But another good appointment today, Nick
29:44
Speaker 3: Cator Mike Waltz as National Security Advisor.
29:47
Speaker 2: Again an excellent choice. What do you think?
29:51
Speaker 11: Well, that's what I hear. I hear the guy's got
29:53
Speaker 11: all the right credentials on this and because it's a
29:55
Speaker 11: crucial role at this stage, so you know. So again
30:00
Speaker 11: I agree with brom witness. Seems to be some very
30:02
Speaker 11: sound appointments coming out of this. That clip of Marco
30:05
Speaker 11: Rubio you played, incidentally, that's his audition for the job.
30:08
Speaker 2: Isn't it?
30:09
Speaker 11: Didn't he look good? A man of conviction on Israel?
30:12
Speaker 11: How important is that?
30:14
Speaker 2: One hundred percent?
30:15
Speaker 3: I wish we had more of it here in Australia
30:16
Speaker 3: from our own government, but alas we do not.
30:19
Speaker 2: Just on a lighter note, I don't know if.
30:21
Speaker 3: You've seen this yet, but Trump's signature y MCA dance
30:24
Speaker 3: move has now gone viral.
30:27
Speaker 2: Have a look. There's no need to fill down, Robin.
30:48
Speaker 3: It's just so funny that one of those awkward, daggy
30:51
Speaker 3: dad dance moves take off like that, and it's on
30:54
Speaker 3: football fans absolutely.
30:57
Speaker 10: And I do recall actually in ninety News going to
31:01
Speaker 10: see the Village People when they came to Australia and
31:04
Speaker 10: having an argument with my host, who was an American,
31:08
Speaker 10: about Ronald Reagan, me saying he's going to be terrific,
31:12
Speaker 10: and he's saying, oh no, he's going to drop out
31:14
Speaker 10: on bobms, on everyone. And it just took me back
31:16
Speaker 10: to the exaggeration that people threw at Reagan, who turned
31:20
Speaker 10: out to be magnificent president, trying to do the same
31:23
Speaker 10: thing to Trump, who will also be so important in
31:26
Speaker 10: changing dramatically what happens in the West.
31:30
Speaker 3: Look, I hope you're right that there have been some
31:33
Speaker 3: concerns about Trump.
31:35
Speaker 2: On national security, and a lot of.
31:36
Speaker 3: The MAGA team didn't welcome the appointment of Marco Rubio today.
31:40
Speaker 2: By the way, there was a bit of backlash online
31:43
Speaker 2: from that. Nick Cater. Firstly, can you do the Trump move?
31:48
Speaker 2: Very important question, Sharry.
31:52
Speaker 11: I do an awful lot for you, but.
31:55
Speaker 1: On national television.
31:59
Speaker 5: I mean.
32:01
Speaker 11: The significant thing is didn't Trump look relaxed in those
32:04
Speaker 11: later stages of the campaign he knew what was coming,
32:07
Speaker 11: even if the media didn't, and even if the Democrats didn't.
32:10
Speaker 3: Well, and but the hours he was doing, you know,
32:13
Speaker 3: Donald Trump left nothing on the field. He's especially in
32:18
Speaker 3: the final days. I mean his rally was going past
32:20
Speaker 3: midnight on that last day of campaigning. So he and
32:24
Speaker 3: you know he's not young. I wouldn't have had the
32:26
Speaker 3: energy to do that campaigning, There's absolutely no question about it.
32:30
Speaker 2: But he was. He was going night and day, working
32:32
Speaker 2: so hard Broadway.
32:33
Speaker 10: And dealing with everything else.
32:35
Speaker 2: I checked at him.
32:36
Speaker 10: He's an amazing man, no two worries about it. But
32:39
Speaker 10: and he's got a brain. That's the best part and
32:42
Speaker 10: that's what we need the most.
32:44
Speaker 3: All right, Nick, Cato, brom and Bishop thank you both
32:46
Speaker 3: so much for your time. Now still to come after
32:49
Speaker 3: the break, the journalist who exposed how her maass is
32:52
Speaker 3: treating Palestinians would join me live. Sorry, that's a bit
32:55
Speaker 3: later in the show. After the break, my exclusive chat
32:58
Speaker 3: with one of India's top GUV ministers where I press
33:02
Speaker 3: him on their relationship with Russia. He also speaks about
33:05
Speaker 3: trade in a prost Trump world.
33:08
Speaker 2: That's after this.
33:14
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Well, India's minister for External Affairs. Doctor s
33:18
Speaker 3: Jaishanka was in Australia last week for meetings with alban
33:22
Speaker 3: Easy and senior figures. I had the privilege of sitting
33:25
Speaker 3: down with him for his only interview during his trip. Now,
33:29
Speaker 3: India is a strong middle power. It has unique role
33:33
Speaker 3: in the geopolitical environment. It maintains relationships with the US
33:37
Speaker 3: and Australia, but also with China and Russia. In our interview,
33:42
Speaker 3: I started by asking him about India's membership of both
33:46
Speaker 3: the Quad and BRICKS and whether he recognizes the angst
33:50
Speaker 3: that India's relationship with China and Russia at times causes Australia.
33:57
Speaker 1: I don't think we have given cause for any angst
34:02
Speaker 1: for this reason. Look, in this day and age, countries
34:06
Speaker 1: don't have exclusive relationship. But if I were to use
34:11
Speaker 1: that logic, I would say, well, so many countries have
34:14
Speaker 1: relationship with Pakistan and look at the angst that should
34:17
Speaker 1: caused me. And let me tell you two things here.
34:21
Speaker 1: You know, what India has done and is doing with
34:24
Speaker 1: Russia is actually, in my view, helpful to the international
34:28
Speaker 1: community as a whole. If we had not made the
34:31
Speaker 1: moves we had. Let me tell you the energy markets
34:34
Speaker 1: would have taken a completely different turn and actually would
34:38
Speaker 1: have precipitated a global energy crisis. It would have caused
34:43
Speaker 1: inflation across the world as a consequence. Equally, it is
34:48
Speaker 1: the fact that we have today a good relationship with
34:51
Speaker 1: Russia allows us to be in a way a country
34:56
Speaker 1: in between, which is which has the ability to both
34:59
Speaker 1: talk to and to Ukraine and to try to find
35:04
Speaker 1: some intersection in those conversations. And I think the world,
35:08
Speaker 1: including Australia, needs such a country which will help to
35:13
Speaker 1: bring back this conflict back to the conference stable.
35:18
Speaker 3: You're right, India has been a very good friend of Ukraine.
35:22
Speaker 3: So what path do you see then as the middle
35:25
Speaker 3: country in stopping Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
35:29
Speaker 1: The way out is to find an ending to this
35:34
Speaker 1: conflict and negotiated ending conflicts rarely end on the battlefield,
35:40
Speaker 1: mostly the end in a negotiation.
35:43
Speaker 3: Do you think Trump will have a big role to
35:45
Speaker 3: play in that, Well.
35:47
Speaker 1: I think the United States is, you know, the world's
35:53
Speaker 1: pre eminent power in a way, and the United States
35:57
Speaker 1: will naturally, I mean, and it's been very closely involved
36:00
Speaker 1: from the Weddy start, so obviously the US would have
36:03
Speaker 1: its influence and its views on it. But your earlier question,
36:12
Speaker 1: I do think that it's important for countries who have
36:18
Speaker 1: the access, the comfort, the credibility to engage both Moscow
36:26
Speaker 1: and Kiev to do that, to do that with a
36:29
Speaker 1: view of bringing this conflict to an early end, because
36:33
Speaker 1: we know at some stage it will come to the
36:37
Speaker 1: negotiating table. So if we can make hasten that, if
36:42
Speaker 1: we can facilitate that, I would argue that it's in
36:45
Speaker 1: everybody's interest.
36:46
Speaker 3: It's a very pragmatic view of the world because in Australia,
36:50
Speaker 3: in the United States, in the United Kingdom, there's been
36:54
Speaker 3: a lot of concern over the emerging alliance and the
36:59
Speaker 3: increase in cooperate ration between China and Russia, North Korea
37:04
Speaker 3: and Iran, you know, the supply of weaponry for example.
37:11
Speaker 3: Do you think that this emerging acxis of evil as
37:15
Speaker 3: it's called the you know, Russia, China, Iran and North Korea.
37:18
Speaker 3: Do you believe this is a growing threat to the
37:22
Speaker 3: world and do you think Iran's increasing nuclear abilities capabilities
37:28
Speaker 3: will need to be dealt with.
37:29
Speaker 1: You know, this picture that you've painted, I assume that
37:36
Speaker 1: it's your sense that it's grown closer since twenty twenty
37:39
Speaker 1: two after the Ukraine conflict started, right, Yes, that's actually
37:45
Speaker 1: the case. Why it's in everybody's interested The sooner the
37:49
Speaker 1: conflict ends, the better, because the longer the conflict drags out,
37:53
Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of things are going to happen.
37:57
Speaker 1: Not all these things could necessarily be to Australia Lah's advantage,
38:01
Speaker 1: or you know, to that of Western countries. So you know,
38:05
Speaker 1: the more you are concerned about, you know, some of
38:10
Speaker 1: these developments, I think, the stronger a case you're making
38:13
Speaker 1: for why we should be more active in the pursuit
38:15
Speaker 1: of a negotiated solution, that's the best contribution I can make.
38:20
Speaker 3: Are you concerned about their increasing cooperation?
38:23
Speaker 2: Though?
38:24
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about the fact that more people are getting killed.
38:28
Speaker 1: More you know, countries in some way or the other
38:32
Speaker 1: are getting involved, and we think that's not good.
38:34
Speaker 3: Can the world afford to continue to sit back and
38:39
Speaker 3: watch as nuclear abilities are developed by Tehran?
38:43
Speaker 1: We have a view on nuclear non proliferation, as you know.
38:51
Speaker 1: The Again I spoke earlier about laws and norms and rules.
38:58
Speaker 1: If countries joint regimes sign treaties, are the international order
39:07
Speaker 1: requires that they keep their word.
39:09
Speaker 2: And if they don't.
39:10
Speaker 1: Then then the international order obviously, you know, the sort
39:14
Speaker 1: of reacts to it. So the the you know, for US,
39:20
Speaker 1: we are very clear we think that nuclear non proliferation
39:24
Speaker 1: is destabilizing. We believe that countries which sign the NPT
39:28
Speaker 1: must abide by the commitment. It'sul it's a you know,
39:32
Speaker 1: Clayer cut proposition for US.
39:34
Speaker 3: And if they don't, would India support Israel or the
39:38
Speaker 3: United States targeting the nuclear signs military?
39:41
Speaker 2: No?
39:41
Speaker 1: No, I think you are You're painting. I mean, I understand.
39:45
Speaker 3: I think that is a realistic possibility where you're coming from.
39:49
Speaker 1: But it's it's not a discussion, certainly, you know, Look,
39:54
Speaker 1: we don't we we again, I put it to the
39:59
Speaker 1: purpose far diplomacy is actually to do diplomacy, not to
40:07
Speaker 1: see recourts to force as a as a natural or
40:13
Speaker 1: early or preferred option. I think at the end of
40:17
Speaker 1: the day, you know, don't you know, there's not a
40:21
Speaker 1: homily I'm giving you. I'm giving you good common sense.
40:24
Speaker 1: A lot of problems in the world are resolved by
40:27
Speaker 1: countries and people sitting down, you know, the moment you
40:30
Speaker 1: go around the path of force and violence, it's so
40:34
Speaker 1: much easier started than end it.
40:37
Speaker 3: That's easy when it's a like minded nation, but if
40:40
Speaker 3: you're dealing with a dictator or an evil regime like Iran,
40:45
Speaker 3: makes it very difficult.
40:47
Speaker 1: You have your point of view, I hear you. I
40:50
Speaker 1: have my point of view, and you heard me.
40:52
Speaker 3: Trump has said he will impose trade tariffs on unimported goods.
40:59
Speaker 1: Is this a we don't in my business do hypothetical stuff.
41:04
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we'll.
41:06
Speaker 3: See what happens, not so much a hypothetical though he
41:08
Speaker 3: said he will.
41:09
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens.
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Speaker 3: In light of COVID nineteen, this is a big lesson
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Speaker 3: in diversifying, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well. I think the COVID nineteen was the most graphic illustration.
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Speaker 1: It's not the only one, but absolutely, I mean, and
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Speaker 1: again I'm not just stating Indian point of view. So today,
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Speaker 1: across the world, I think countries and regions are trying
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Speaker 1: to build local capacities. They are they're looking. You know,
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Speaker 1: we would talk in terms of just in time, we
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Speaker 1: would talk in terms of lowest cost. I think people
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Speaker 1: are today understanding that those are not the only factors.
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Speaker 1: You know, we speak about food security. You'd rather pay
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Speaker 1: more and be a shore of food, health security, you'd
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Speaker 1: rather produce at home or you know, from a trusted partner,
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Speaker 1: and you know, even if it means paying more then
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Speaker 1: rely on the cheapest partner, who may let you down,
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Speaker 1: who's unreliable. So I would actually put it to you,
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Speaker 1: you know, don't just think about it as an outcome
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Speaker 1: of an American political happening. I put it to you
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Speaker 1: to the world is actually headed for a reworking of
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Speaker 1: supply chains, for a much greater kind of emphasis on
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Speaker 1: trusted partners, for much greater sensitivity on anything digital, for
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Speaker 1: a much stronger focus on all the implications of anything
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Speaker 1: technology driven. So it's going to be a very very
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Speaker 1: different set of relationships that all of us are sliding
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Speaker 1: into and which is why for me, the relationship with
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Speaker 1: Australia has so much value because today we have that trust,
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Speaker 1: we have that sensitivity, we are developing that experience of
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Speaker 1: working together. So there are a lot of things you know,
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Speaker 1: I'd be comfortable getting out of Australia or doing with Australia,
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Speaker 1: which I may not be with some other countries.
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Speaker 3: I would ask you about cricket, but I'm I'm not
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Speaker 3: a cricket expert over.
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Speaker 1: Here, obviously a sport which most Indians are deeply devoted to.
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Speaker 1: So I assure you it's going to be a very
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Speaker 1: interesting cricketing season all of us are. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: going back from Australia, but my mind is going to
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Speaker 1: be very much in Australia in the coming days.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be. Indeed, thank you very much,
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Speaker 2: and I really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Definitely much more comfortable speaking about foreign policy than spot
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Speaker 3: wells to come. In Israeli journalist travels to a Harmas
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Speaker 3: stronghold to find out exactly what Gazans think of the
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Speaker 3: terror group of Hadhimo would join me live after the break.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: There's often debate about.
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Speaker 3: Whether or not Palestinians actually support hermas Well. One journalist
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Speaker 3: from Israel's Channel twelve went to the Jabaliir refugee camp
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Speaker 3: Amas stronghold to find out for himself.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: Again, bad.
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Speaker 2: Has Hanah look he and there was so much more.
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Speaker 3: Now You're not going to find that sort of content
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Speaker 3: on left leaning broadcasters because it just doesn't fit their
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Speaker 3: narrative that Palestinians are suffering because of Israel, not hermas Well.
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Speaker 3: I'm pleased to say that the Israeli journalists who expose
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Speaker 3: this or had Himo joins me now live from Israel,
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Speaker 3: or had thank you for your time. Well, tell us
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Speaker 3: what did you find when you spoke to Palestinians about Harmas?
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Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Sherry. So I can tell you
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Speaker 9: that this was actually the first time since the war
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Speaker 9: began a year ago, more than a year ago, that correspondents,
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Speaker 9: not Palestinian correspondent, but any other correspondent could have really
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Speaker 9: the access to talk to Palestinians, in this case in
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Speaker 9: Jeban or refugee camp without the ruling of Hamas. So
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Speaker 9: these guys were not fear of Hamas. And I must
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Speaker 9: tell you that I wasn't surprised because of what they said, because.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it seems like we've just lost our hard there.
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Speaker 9: I hope, yeah, I hope that now you could hear us.
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Speaker 9: So it's not surprised. I was not surprised from this.
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Speaker 9: I was surprised for the fact that a big, huge
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Speaker 9: mass of people, We're talking about dozens of people that
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Speaker 9: have seen me, they didn't know. The vast majority of
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Speaker 9: them did not know that I'm from Israel. They didn't
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Speaker 9: know anything. But this camera and they just whenever they
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Speaker 9: have seen me, they just started cursing Hamas and spitting
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Speaker 9: on Hamas or Sinoha whenever anyone just mentioned the name
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Speaker 9: of a sin while they spit him. I've seen people
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Speaker 9: that told me that Hamas shot their legs in order
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Speaker 9: to make them cripple, just because they took my food.
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Speaker 3: To hopefully we get our hard back, but until we do,
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Speaker 3: I think this is the issue I had that you know,
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Speaker 3: there's Israel Is accused of censorship, of not allowing journalists
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Speaker 3: into Gaza, but in fact we haven't got the full story.
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Speaker 3: What we often see on social media is propaganda. There's
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Speaker 3: no question Palestinian families are suffering, absolutely no question about that,
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Speaker 3: but you never get you never hear the stories or
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Speaker 3: the reports of how Hamas is treating local Palestinians. This
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Speaker 3: is the reporting that you went and did you know,
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Speaker 3: why do you think we don't hear about this in
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Speaker 3: mainstream media outlets?
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Speaker 9: So it's maybe a narrative that does not fit the
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Speaker 9: narrative of the West because it's quite difficult to get
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Speaker 9: these voices because the vast majority of the people in
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Speaker 9: the Gaza strip is still afraid, in fear from Hamas.
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Speaker 9: I can tell you that since this this footage was
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Speaker 9: broadcast two days ago, I got dozens of phone calls
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Speaker 9: from Gaza Strip and from the West Bank, from sources
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Speaker 9: of mine, from just ordinary Pedestinians who said thank you,
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Speaker 9: thank you so much for letting our voice be heard.
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Speaker 9: I can tell you that I think this is the
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Speaker 9: most important thing. But by the way we were blurring
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Speaker 9: their faces, they didn't not ask us to do it.
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Speaker 2: Extra I'm so brave. Oh, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: We're out of time, but extraordinary courage of them to
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Speaker 3: speak out as well. That's all we've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 3: Here's Danika di Giorgio in Well. The ladies have taken
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Speaker 3: over the man cave tonight, take it away.