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Chuck & Buck 10-15 Hour 3: Demond and the Dawgs, Angie Mentink and Cal gets snubbed. · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Kind of feels like that's the way we're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: it tonight or is there rain in the forecast?
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  Speaker 2: Is I hadn't seen any?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just I don't think tonight tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe so autumnal time, Oh man, it was just a
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  Speaker 2: perfect little autumn day. And then and then you get yeah,
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  Speaker 2: combine that with playoff baseball? Are you kidding me? Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: When we deserve this great thing, I've deserved it. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I deserved it course of my life. Okay, all that feels,
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  Speaker 1: uh feels unusually beneficial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it.
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  Speaker 4: God's smiling down on us right now. I think he's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what's going on? Yeah, maybe a roof open night.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: He wants everyone to enjoy it to the max.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, everybody to carve their dumpkins, get him
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  Speaker 1: out there on the on the stoop.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't want I'm rotting right away. They gotta last for
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  Speaker 3: the alcs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I mean we will.
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  Speaker 1: Uh you know Dick Fame, you know, with his pager, uh,
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure.
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  Speaker 2: Out him and his pager. Yep, I can see that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently a lot of people need to get in contact
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  Speaker 4: with him.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's really the best.
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  Speaker 2: I never had a pager. I never really pictured him
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  Speaker 2: as a campus drug dealer. No, no, yes, playing in it.
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  Speaker 2: Figured it was a different type of student.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, maybe it was slinging like uh back when
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  Speaker 4: I had my page Clarinet reads or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, probably.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, we've got a susophone down.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, mom, I've got to leave Thanksgiving dinner. We got
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  Speaker 1: a susophone down, just saw it on my pager.
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  Speaker 1: Cam Cleveland's been on hold this entire entire time while
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Dick fans.
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  Speaker 2: Pager, Well, I've got some news for you.
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  Speaker 1: We can't get hold of them, but we'll see if
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  Speaker 1: Cam joins us here momentarily here on the radio program
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  Speaker 1: to get to scratch our Huskies itch going into this game,
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  Speaker 1: this big game taking on the Michigan Wolverines. As I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned before, I just personally don't think that the Huskies
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  Speaker 1: should be ranked right now. If I was doing my
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  Speaker 1: top twenty five, I want them to win. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: rank them top twenty five. Win this game at Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: even though they might not be a top twenty five team,
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  Speaker 1: that's still a real high caliber victory and a really
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  Speaker 1: tough place to win football games, and that that's going
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  Speaker 1: to put you on the map. I don't think they've
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  Speaker 1: had that signature win so far this year where I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna rip a national writer or coach in college football
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  Speaker 1: for not recognizing a five to one record against some
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  Speaker 1: subpar competition.
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  Speaker 4: No, well, you said it earlier. You said, you know
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  Speaker 4: the two wins they have in the big ten are
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  Speaker 4: against Maryland Rutgers that are one and five. Right, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you won, so you did your part, and yet that's
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  Speaker 4: not going to get the attention of a whole lot
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  Speaker 4: of people. I think that had they played the second
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  Speaker 4: half against Ohio State the way they did the first half,
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  Speaker 4: then they would be right.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't. They played a good half.
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  Speaker 4: They they kind of kept them at bay for a minute,
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  Speaker 4: and yet the offense never woke up, and they did
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  Speaker 4: allow Ohio State to end up kind of running away
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  Speaker 4: with it to some degree. What was twenty four to
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  Speaker 4: six I think was the final there. So you didn't
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  Speaker 4: necessarily even in that one loss, you didn't necessarily put
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  Speaker 4: yourself on the map.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a wow.
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  Speaker 4: They Ohio State had to kick a last second field
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  Speaker 4: goal to upset or to not be upset by you.
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  Speaker 4: So to me, yeah, you kind of have to wait
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  Speaker 4: till this part of the season. Your preseason schedule was
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  Speaker 4: not against anybody that was getting any attention. You are
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  Speaker 4: trying to rebound from last season. So I think that
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  Speaker 4: people come in with the notion of let's see what
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  Speaker 4: jed Fish looks like in year two, and they do
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  Speaker 4: look better, but you were still having to make up
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  Speaker 4: for some of that lost ground, and the lost ground
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  Speaker 4: was understandablelast year. To me, it's you're trending in the
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  Speaker 4: right direction, You're doing what you need to do. Now
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  Speaker 4: it's going to the big house upset the Wolverines. And
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  Speaker 4: because it would be an upset, I think, and yet
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  Speaker 4: it's not out of the realm of possibilities. To me,
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  Speaker 4: it seems very likely or quite possible that they could
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  Speaker 4: go in there and do that. But that would be
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  Speaker 4: the biggest signature of the Jetfish at Washington era for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there was a time in the Ohio s Day
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  Speaker 1: game that they're playing them so competitively, and I just
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  Speaker 1: had it in the back of my head, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get the offense going.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's not going to be an issue. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it was an issue.
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  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Oho States pretty much dominated everybody on
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  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, including the Huskies when
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  Speaker 1: they were in town. But there was a time in
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  Speaker 1: that game where they were keeping it close. I was
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  Speaker 1: sure the offense was going to get going in the
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  Speaker 1: second half where I thought we might end up losing
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  Speaker 1: this game and we might pull that rare trick of
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  Speaker 1: not being ranked, losing for the first time and being ranked.
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  Speaker 1: If they would have kept it close the entire time
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  Speaker 1: against Ohio State, that would have drawn more attention, that
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  Speaker 1: would have earned them more favor than coming from having
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  Speaker 1: to come from behind to beat Maryland and then what
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  Speaker 1: they did Friday night against a mediocre Rutgers team. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, win this and yeah, six point underdogs, but
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  Speaker 1: Michigan's not the same team they've been the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. I think that they've got a very good
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  Speaker 1: chance of winning on Saturday, and then I think we'll
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  Speaker 1: start Monday morning by talking about the ranked Washington Huskies.
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  Speaker 2: Rick new isl made some.
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  Speaker 1: News with us a little bit earlier this week talking
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  Speaker 1: about you dub and Demon Williams, who hasn't been great
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  Speaker 1: every second during the course of this season, but on
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  Speaker 1: Friday night was spectacular, and he made the point that
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't count Demon Williams out of the Heisman race
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  Speaker 1: at this point. Part of that is that really no
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  Speaker 1: one's seesing that it's going to be one of those
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  Speaker 1: years where the picture is not going to become clear
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  Speaker 1: until I think weeks ten, eleven, twelve. I think somebody
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  Speaker 1: will emerge late in the season, and Rick new Isl
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  Speaker 1: and certainly Demon Williams looked heismany Friday night, but he
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  Speaker 1: still got a lot of ground to gain to make
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  Speaker 1: up in this race. But since no one's really run
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  Speaker 1: away with it, then why not why not put him
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  Speaker 1: into a pile of those being considered going forward? He
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  Speaker 1: certainly has enough time to make up that ground and
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  Speaker 1: to get where he wants to go. But you got
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  Speaker 1: to do it with wins too. It's not just putting
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  Speaker 1: up gaudy statistics. You got to have big games against
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  Speaker 1: teams like Michigan in order to get the necessary attention
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  Speaker 1: to fire up that sort of campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going to have to do some things, and
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  Speaker 4: yet I think he's highly capable of doing it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: what was the award he won last year or last
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  Speaker 4: week after this performance?
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  Speaker 2: It was something Conference Player of the Week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean it's like, okay, you just you
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  Speaker 4: put yourself on a pedestal, or you kind of rose
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  Speaker 4: yourself up to where people recognize. If there was somebody
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  Speaker 4: that hadn't watched one U dub game and then they
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  Speaker 4: watched the highlight package and look at the stat sheet
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  Speaker 4: of what he did.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, ooh, who's who's this kid?
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  Speaker 4: Now you're gonna have to rattle off some wins, yes,
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  Speaker 4: and starts with Michigan Illinois. Not a walk over Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: You gotta go on the road, you know. And then
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  Speaker 4: it's it's it comes down to u c.
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  Speaker 1: L A.
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  Speaker 4: If they're playing as well as they've kind of turned
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  Speaker 4: around since Jerry took over. I think that that game
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  Speaker 4: in the Oregon game, if he ends up doing things
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  Speaker 4: like what he did last week, you don't necessarily have
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  Speaker 4: to go for four hundred and rush for over one
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  Speaker 4: hundred every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that would be okay, That would be okay.
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  Speaker 4: And and if he if he stood, yeah, just go ahead,
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  Speaker 4: why not. I'm gonna say this, If he does that
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  Speaker 4: every week, he will win the Heisman. So it won't
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  Speaker 4: even be a question if he can go off like that.
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  Speaker 4: I just think it's a matter.
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  Speaker 2: Of he hear that.
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  Speaker 4: All you have to do run for one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty and throw for four hundred, you know, six combined
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  Speaker 4: touchdowns every week, and I think you.
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  Speaker 2: Was it just okay? Well? I think even that.
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  Speaker 4: I think even four touchdowns with four hundred yards passing
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  Speaker 4: in one hundred and fifty running or rushing whatever it was.
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  Speaker 4: I think that'll get it done for him. Now is
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  Speaker 4: he going to do that in the big house. Probably not,
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  Speaker 4: but it really you don't have to. You have to
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  Speaker 4: do enough to win, do enough to win on the road.
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  Speaker 4: This would I mean, this would be a huge win
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  Speaker 4: for them. And if he can pull that off as
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback, he's obviously going to get He's already kind
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  Speaker 4: of I think creeping into that that conversation, Uh, it
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  Speaker 4: just would be the voices would get louder, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I think one thing you got to do when you
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  Speaker 1: have somebody like a demand Williams. And I'll apply this
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  Speaker 1: to the New York Jets and Justin Fields, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: apply this to what we've seen from Lamar Jackson and
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  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. If you got this gifted of a
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  Speaker 1: runner in today's day and age, you.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta just let it. You just gotta let it fly.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I realize, yeah, you do teach them to slide,
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  Speaker 1: and you do teach them to get out of bounds,
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  Speaker 1: and you teach them not to take unnecessary contact, and
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  Speaker 1: you do have to teach self preservation and the smaller
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  Speaker 1: they are. The more that you have to teach that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Cardinals have even put the rains on
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, but he hasn't been nearly as good the
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  Speaker 1: New York Jets justin fields should be running fifteen times
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  Speaker 1: a game. Hey, you brought him in that he can't
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  Speaker 1: throw accurately, and you're trying to preserve somebody for what Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: unless he starts running, then you're not going to win.
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  Speaker 1: So what are you preserving him for? You know you're
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  Speaker 1: never gonna win with him just standing in the pocket.
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  Speaker 1: I think demand was kind of beat into his head.
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  Speaker 1: And this is just me kind of reading the situation
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  Speaker 1: that don't run or try to limit that because we
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  Speaker 1: got to limit the amount of contact.
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  Speaker 3: And we don't want you to get hurt.
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  Speaker 1: On Friday night, and then the second half against Maryland,
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  Speaker 1: it was like, I've got to use this to be
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  Speaker 1: as good as I need to be in order to
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  Speaker 1: pull off wins against these teams. And so I think
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: maybe that message, I think that realization is kind of
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  Speaker 1: soaked in, not just with him, but even the coaching staff.
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  Speaker 2: We got a way weapon like this, We got.
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  Speaker 1: To not worry so much about whether or not that
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  Speaker 1: next hits the one that's going to put him on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines. We don't win football games, and if we
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  Speaker 1: take that weapon away from him, then we don't have
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  Speaker 1: near the quarterback that we think we have.
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  Speaker 2: So since he's just.
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  Speaker 1: Started to run again, I mean I thought I felled
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  Speaker 1: against Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: He was like running into pressure. Yeah, like you are
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  Speaker 2: so fast run away from pressure, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and in an attempt to stay in the pocket.
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  Speaker 1: And it felt to me like he was running into
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  Speaker 1: Ohio States pressure. This guy needs to run, and he
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  Speaker 1: needs to run for seventy five or more yards per
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  Speaker 1: game in order for him to be his best. And
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  Speaker 1: so look, there are pocket quarterbacks out there, and there
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  Speaker 1: are certainly, you know, a lot of running quarterbacks that
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: had to be rained in. They almost all have to
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: be rained in. But Baltimore is the example that everybody
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  Speaker 1: should use when they have one of these quarterbacks. Our
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: ball sided a long time ago. What the hell did
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  Speaker 1: we draft this guy for in the first round if
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  Speaker 1: we aren't going to.
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  Speaker 2: Let him do what he sort of does best.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and Demon Williams the last couple of weeks because
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  Speaker 1: he's done what he does best, which has run the
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  Speaker 1: football that is that has forced the defense to be
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  Speaker 1: back on their heels and now he's ripping them apart
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  Speaker 1: with both his arm and his legs. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen unless they are terrified of him running the football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying, and get
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  Speaker 2: I get it. I agree.
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  Speaker 4: You definitely can't pull the reins back so much that
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  Speaker 4: you are like, dude, we just need you to kind
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  Speaker 4: of be in the pocket or you know, scramble. We'll
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  Speaker 4: move the pocket and you just throw on the run
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. You're gonna have to do it. To me,
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  Speaker 4: it's the if you look back at those that kind
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  Speaker 4: of figure out a way to mix and match both.
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, unless you are a Tim Tebow back in
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  Speaker 4: the day that just runs and we're not going to
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: throw hardly at all every once in a while to
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: jump pass at the goal line, unless you're built like that,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want him running more.
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  Speaker 1: Even as running people over Cam Newton was running people over,
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  Speaker 1: that's different. I don't want that. I don't want design
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  Speaker 1: runs into the teeth of the defense, of course, I yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want him thinking I've got to stay
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  Speaker 1: in the pocket. If you've got a lane, take off buddy,
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  Speaker 1: and then slide, get out of bounds. Whatever you need
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  Speaker 1: to do. You got to have awareness of spatial awareness
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  Speaker 1: of what tacklers are are zoning in on you. But
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  Speaker 1: I thought for a couple of games there that there
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be this plan to hey, you're taking too
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  Speaker 1: many hits, let's keep you in the pocket. You got
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  Speaker 1: to stay in the pocket. We got to deliver from
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  Speaker 1: the pocket. And I don't think he should play that way.
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  Speaker 4: Right well, the last four games he's ran them both
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  Speaker 4: thirteen times, thirteen times, fourteen times and thirteen times, so
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  Speaker 4: he's doing similar obviously that he got loose on some
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: a couple of big ones against Rutgers. To me, it's
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: if you every he think's back to the Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: What Russell Wilson did wasn't necessarily trying to be a
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  Speaker 4: running quarterback as much as it was he was buying
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  Speaker 4: time with his leg. And when he lost that half
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  Speaker 4: a step, it turned into Sackson. Now your second and
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  Speaker 4: twenty three. But it was the opportunity. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: was third and eight. You're passing. His initial thought was
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: passed the ball to one of your playmakers. Get the
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  Speaker 4: first down, and then he was smart enough to recognize
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: that guy's covered in the middle of going to a
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  Speaker 4: second reader's third read. Wait a second, I can get
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  Speaker 4: to the first down and I'll take it, and I'll
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  Speaker 4: slide and I'll get down and I'm safe. To me,
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  Speaker 4: that's where you what you want, even if it's Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: I think that they unleashed Lamar Jackson to some extent
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  Speaker 4: and then his first time that he missed a couple
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  Speaker 4: of games due.
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  Speaker 2: To an injury.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, we can't afford that that one run for
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  Speaker 4: a first down or even a touchdown isn't worth two
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  Speaker 4: for eight quarters of not having you back there throwing
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  Speaker 4: the ball with the opportunity to extend a player get
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  Speaker 4: a first down. So to me, it's that's the happy
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  Speaker 4: medium of having a dual threat quarterback is dude, I
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  Speaker 4: need you to have self preservation in the back of
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  Speaker 4: your mind, but not to the point of just staying
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  Speaker 4: in the pocket or or you know, kind of taking
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  Speaker 4: away what is one of your strengths. It's a beauty
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  Speaker 4: and a beast at the same time. So to me,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that it's just a matter of dude,
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  Speaker 4: you got to go play, not if they if there
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  Speaker 4: ever was a time I am saying.
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  Speaker 1: It, I don't think. And part of his game has
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  Speaker 1: taken off and using his leg and he's an amazing, wonderful,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful thrower of the football too. I mean, that's what's
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: going to get him to the National Football League, that's
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  Speaker 1: what's his arm's going to be what gets him to
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  Speaker 1: the drafted in the first round one of these days.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: But what makes him truly special where he can take
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  Speaker 1: over games is the combination of the two.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and as he gets more experienced, too, he's going
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: to figure out, you know, the better, safer ways to
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  Speaker 6: protect himself while still being able to just go play.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: He doesn't need to overthink it right now. He just
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: as you said, just go play. Yeah, just go do it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, go do what you do and look what happens.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest will happen.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Man, he was amazing on Friday night. We're going up
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: against the same kind of a dual threat guy. I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: don't think he's the same. I don't think he's nearly
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: as quick or fast. But Bryce Underwood was the number
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: one recruit in America, starting true freshman quarterback for the
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverines. They're not a great team this year, and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: he's not yet a great player. As a matter of fact,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I heard Petro's talking about this on the way in
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Underwood has been underwhelming, was his line about Bryce Underwood.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: But there's no question he is a tremendous talent. But
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: this team is beatable. I mean, yeah, they can still
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: rough you up, but they're not the Jim Harbaugh Michigan
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Wolverines that they've dropped off a notch or two.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So this, to me is a winnable game. Ashley's already taken.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Them plus the points the Husky's plus the points, which
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: is nearly a touchdown spread. Actually it is a touchdown
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: spread six points. But this isn't just about This isn't
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: about covering, I'll tell you that much. This is an
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: opportunity for you to get a really nice signature road
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: win in the conference. Obliterate that healing about we can't
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: win on the road in the Big Ten once and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: for all, and give yourself something to grow off of
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: where we might be able to start a conversation around
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: here about a playoff. I mean a lot of things
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: have to fall in place, but until you get that
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: big signature win.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna even be mentioned in that conversation.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: No, they're gonna figure out a way to stop Justin Haynes.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Justice Haynes USC did it last week and it turned
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: into a victory for them. Up until that week, he's
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: been absolutely going off. So hopefully they got some tape
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: on that and they are capable of doing the same
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: thing that you as seeded.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, we got Angie Men. Think
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: we'll reconnect with Cam next week, but Angie will join us.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: We haven't had her thoughts for a week now on
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: what's going on with the Mariners, so we can't wait
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to chat with her next. Sports Radio ninety three point
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• 18:02
  Speaker 1: You get used to having Angie Men saying pretty much
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: part of your entire summer, almost on a daily basis
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: here in her Mariners analysis, and then all of a sudden,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you reach the playoffs, the networks take over and you
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: don't have Angie in your life, and you're like, what
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the f sad.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Fortunately for you the listener and us the talk show hosts,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: we do have Angie in our lives once a week
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: every week, this time eight thirty and she joins us
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: here this morning, good to chat with you.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I've been to chatting with you, and you know, I
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: don't want to hate on other announcers or anything, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, Cassyn, this this thing they call
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: that East Coast bias just just a little bit, you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: through the first couple of series. I just it goes
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: to show you, you know, it's like, you know, obviously
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Pacific Northwest central to US and where we live and everything,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: but the rest of the country just thinks we're like
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Southeast Alaska. I mean they really do.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Has it really been going on? I mean I have
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: watched any of the coverage? Yeah?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, no, I yeah, I mean, has it really
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Guess I keep reading it from Marinder fans, but I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's just Mariner fans being sensitive to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: another team getting compliments.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: There's like a tone to it where I think that
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: that the Maritorers are just surprising a lot of people.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: But you have to believe that like, you know, you
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: can imagine the ratings. They're like, wait a minute, coming
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: out of americanly we have Alaska or Canada. Great? Great,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm sure they were rooting for
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: the Yankees hard for another Yankees Dodgers. And then if
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: it was like i mean, obviously the Brewers are down,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: but can you imagine if it was like Mariners versus Brewers,
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: you know, pilots. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's like like
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: it's just the rest of the nation would just check out,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: but it would be awesome.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it looks like we're headed toward Mariner's Dodgers.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of work to do.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about how this team got here to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: a two to zero lead in this series. There were
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people and this is something that the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: national guys were discussing. They were just sure that the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Arenders were going to come in flat and have a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: trouble in the first two games of this series. What
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: did you take make make of that narrative that was
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: started heading into this series.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Well, you can understand why. I mean, that's this teen
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: inning game. I mean, that is going to wreck a
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: lot of teams, and then all of a sudden you
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: gotta you know, win that game and then climb on
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: an airplane and travel cross country. But of course, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: the Mariners have been training for this offseason long. This
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: is this is what they do. Nobody plays more eleven
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: plus inning games than your Seattle Meritis. They're like, we
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: got this. This is just this is a Tuesday. I mean,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what you guys think. This
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: is so hard so and I also think and when
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: we're just continuing to see it is you know, this
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: team is just fueled by it. It's been you guys
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: know this the mantra all season long about what happened
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: in the last couple of years. And I think that
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: it's just you know, really fueling this team. And I
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: think that fifteen inning game, you know, wasn't any sort
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: of like depletion. It was like a catapult. And I
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: mean it's crazy. And you think about Toronto, they had
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: a little bit of like I feel like a finish line.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, you go up against a juggernaut like the
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: Yankees and they had nine home runs. Toronto had nine
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: home runs in three games against the Yankees. They had
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: at least nine hits in every single game of that series,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: and so far against Seattle they've got eight hits total
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: and just one home run. Springer is the only guy
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: on their team with an extra base hit at all.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: It's really been impressive. Yeah, with the Mariners have done
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: pitching wise to be able to keep this Toronto offense
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: at Bay and now they've got to come and hit
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: it t Mobile Park. Good luck.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what does George have to do to keep
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: that offense at Bay? Because it is there's some potency there.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, Vlad Guerrero hasn't done anything yet, but it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think that George Kirby's like, well, he's in
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: a slump. I got him, there's an O for three.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: So what is it that you need to see out
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: of George to where we can hopefully get five six
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: plus innings out of him?
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: Well, keep Guerrero at Bay, and I know that's that's
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: easier said than done, but I think they've kind of
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: avoided him. They've they've done sort of like the Col Rawley,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: you know, approach with him, and I think that's a
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: good idea. But George Kirby needs to continue to do
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: what George Kirby does. So well, and that is throw
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: strike one. And really this season, you know, the Mariner's
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: pitching staff in the postseason has been really incredible at
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: this But I think that's the secret, Sauce. I think
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: you've got to get them on their heels. You know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: this is this is a team that doesn't strike out
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: a lot. And I know their whole you know, mindset
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: is they would rather be you know, bo one than
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: oh for one. So they are willing to take that
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: first pitch strike two and not swing at a pitcher's
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: pitch to be out of the at bat. And I
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: think that that George Kirby and the rest of this
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Mariners pitching stuff needs to continue to hone in on
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: that and.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Hit on that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And Anji men Sink is with us here talking some
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Mariners playoff baseball Game three to night of the ALCS,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: George Kirby versus Shane Bieber, first pitches at five o'clock.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, we got a long way to go.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: But if I were to name an MVP for game one,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it would be Bryce Miller. If I'm naming a game
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: MVP for both games, it's Orgey Polonko. And I tell you,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: if I had to, you know tab A Mariner to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to fuse a bomb, I'm probably gonna go with either
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Bryce Miller or Rage Polanco because those two guys, to me,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: like the pulse never rises with them. I mean, you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: know them better than what we do. But I don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that those two guys in particular
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: have stepped up. I don't think any moment is too
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: big for those two.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I think the step up is huge. And I'm gonna
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: zoom in on Horge Polanco and you think about where
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: he was, you know, at the end of last year,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and it was just like, hey, it didn't work out here.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, it just it just kind of didn't. He
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: was playing hurt all year. But when you look at
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: the difference in what he was able to do during
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the regular season and now in the postseason, guys, he
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: has already hit more home runs in seventh postseason games
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: than he hit in his previous twelve postseason games before
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: this year. He's got three home runs this season. He's
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: got a two fifty eight average. Before that, he was
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: barely hitting over two hundred in the postseason. He has
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: really found something I think that you know, every guy
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: has a different guy that they sort of get something from.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Whether it's Bob nagianis, whether it's sights or whether it's Edgar.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: And every single time I'm talking to Polanco, he's like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Bobby told me this, you know, sites told me this.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: So you know the big thing, you know, a few
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: weeks ago was with Edgar and that seventy five percent
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: effort in the swings and getting him to relax at
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: tension out of his arms and his hands a little bit,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: because man, he was on time for the fastball, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: he was just due to against you know, breaking balls
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: and off speeds. That is not the case. You know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: He's got a lot of adjustability right now in his
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: swing and he's just covering everything so and the thing
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: just go look at a side swing of his slow
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: motion side swing, and that head is just so still,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: it never moves. Those eyes are like, I mean, saucers
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: so big, and uh, he's just seeing the baseball right
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: now and he's squaring it up and it doesn't matter
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: if it's right handed or left handed. Uh.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: It's pretty apparent that after that first game, that home
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: run that Cal hit, that that Blue Jays realized, Okay,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: we really shouldn't mess with this guy. He kind of
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: owns us as as Chuck calls it, it's it's a Calada. Uh,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: he's changed the entire name of the country. I think
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: it's he owns it so much.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: You know, a lot of times we get like a
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: like a police escort, you know, it's like to get
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: through the traffic in Toronto and get ourself on our
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: way to the airport. I kind of feel like it's
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: like that's them going, let's get Cal out of the country.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Let's just it's specifically for Cal. Let's let's give him
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: the police esport and get this guy.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: The heck out of here quickly as possible. Yeah. No,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's all good.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: So I mean, how important is it and how how
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: do you see the frame of mind for Julio, Because
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: it's one of those years they walk somebody in front
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: of you, you get fired up, and yet you got
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: to kind of keep it toned down to some degree
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: so you can make him pay for it. You liking
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: the frame of mind that he's in.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: Julio, Yep, Yeah, he's covering it all as well right now.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: And I just think that, you know, for Julio, he's
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: made the adjustment I mean we haven't even been talking
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: about hard ground balls with him. You know, he made
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: an adjustment for whatever reason about halfway through the season.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Things clicked and fell into place, and then he's just
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: been on a trajectory up and he's when he's doing
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: what he's doing right now on time for the fastball
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: and taking that it's a right center field and then
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: he's still catching all the breaking balls and the split
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: fingers and everything else out in front. That kid is
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: just so incredible strong. I mean, he's touched in the
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: baseball and and and it's going so yeah, he's in
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: a great place right now. And then you know, the
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: other thing you know I was talking with Edgar about
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: with Julio is like what do you see? And he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: just like confidence, Like I see him just being really
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: confident in his swing. And it's really sort of like
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: the chicken or the egg thing though, like what comes first?
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: The success, you know, gives you confidence, Like how do
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: you how do you get that confidence? And he's been
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: able to sort of, you know, trust his process throughout
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: the season and get there even maybe early in the
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: year when he wasn't having the necessarily outcome goals come true.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I trust that you feel good about the series. What
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: about tonight? I mean, can they do it three and row?
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Can they go up three to zero tonight? Do you think?
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think that that old He does
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: have some good numbers against some of the Mariner players,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: one guy, and I I feel like I say this
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: guy's name a lot and it's Dan was talking about
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: it yesterday. It's like the little things at this point
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: in the game make such a big difference, Like every
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: single pitch matters, every single out matters. I mean, Mariners
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: saw that, you know, the last time we were playing
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: baseball t Mobile Park, you know, as they stood on
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: their feet for the entire four hours and fifty eight minutes.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I think, but I think that you know, it's it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: going to be those little things, you know, that continue
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: to matter. And this team has been and shown itself
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: to be so good at doing all those little things, you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Know, just in our last few seconds here. I don't
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: know if people realize this. Ty France is on the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Blue Jays. He's not active because he's injured. Do you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: put it past Ty France if we do walk it
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: off to be in a in the Mariners dugout with
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: as mustache on and some dark glasses.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: You're talking like game four, like he's like, I'm not
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: coming back to the Blue Jays for what, I'm gonna
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: go party with my guys. That would be.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Sneaking his way over, Like if we're leading in the
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: decisive game by like six runs, somehow he Bobby Valentines,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: that makes it his way over into like a Mariner
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: uniform with a mustache and some dark glasses on and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: just sits there by JP.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And the dugout for the rest of the game.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: But then I have to believe that it's sad as
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: he would be. He'd be there'd be a place in
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: his heart where he would be absolutely thrilled for the
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Mariners and his dudes.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: I think he'd gets found out because a ball would
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: hit him while he's in the dugout and someone'd be like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: who the all just hit?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, Well we're all in a good mood.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: We're laughing, we're up to Oh we're laughing. Great to
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: chat with you.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: The pressure shifted, there's no doubt about that. And they've
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: got to be they got to be puckered, they got
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: to be feeling it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we'll talk to you again next week.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Are we going to see you at the ballpark the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: next three days or what's.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: The deal here?
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: I mean probably I didn't see you guys yesterday, but.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: You know, all right, all right, well we'll be there.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: We'll be there. We'll track you down one way or
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the other, making it act like you like us. All Right,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: we'll talk to you later, all right, Angie men tink
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: joining us already here on chucking back. All right, So
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: it's been the year of Cal.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Except the fact that the Platinum Gold or Platinum Glove
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Award winner is not even gonna win gold this year?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Is that what we found out? We'll talk about it next.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ R f M.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: The nominees for the Gold Glove Award came in not
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: even a finalist, not even one of the three finalists.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Are you happy about that?
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Or no?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Mad about it? Yep?
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, understandably, So we love Cal. Maybe we're a little
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: bit skewed, isn't it. But I mean I would have
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: to think he would have been somewhere in the mix. Right,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: they picked three guys for the finals, right? He did
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: to even make the top three. That's hard to do
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: when you have zero pass balls on the season.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Now I did see that the Dylan Dingler he's had
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: zero as well. He's good, but I don't see any
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: of the catchers that have zero.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not just about pass balls, I mean, frankly,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: it's about it's more about the metrics. Like this award
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: is more about analytics than any other award, And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: do like it better than what it was growing up,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: where that was just a popularity contest. They actually do
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: try to give it to the best defensive guys. I mean,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Rafael Palmero won it one year and he played twenty
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: eight games at first in DH the rest.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Of the time. Derek Jeter won it one year just
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: because we need to give him one.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Well he's Derek Jeter, right.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's a much better system than whether
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: they at least are trying to award it to the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: guys who rank best defensively. And yet and also it's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the same system, it's the same metrics that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: They used last year to give cal the.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Platinum Globe Award. So he did benefit from this process
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: last year. But for whatever reason, and I couldn't even
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: tell you. I don't study it close enough. I'm not
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: pouring over defensive metrics statistics. I do think to a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: degree that they are flawed, but so I don't know if.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: It's pitch framing, what the case may be.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think he had nearly as high a percentage
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of throwing out runners as he did a year ago.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: But I you know, naked eye has to come into
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: this at some point. There's no way Alejandro Kirk or
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Carlos Narvayaz is a better defensive catcher than Gal Rawley.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I mean there's no chance. I don't think there's one
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: general manager that would tell you that. And yet those
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: are the two guys, along with Dylan Dingler that got
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: nominated as the three five Cow, not even a finalist
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: for Gold Glove.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how they do where they put
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: the weight.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I understand that they look at more than just pass
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: balls and throwing out runners, but I mean you just
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: look around. I mean it's Narvaas had nine errors. Now,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: how do you get an air Typically it's you throw
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: a ball and it goes into center field and they
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: get they get to go to third. A base dealer
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: I'm speaking of Cal had four Hella Hunter Kirk had
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: nine errors as well. I mean, it's I'm sure that
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: this is just my heart talking like, I just can't
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: see how there would have been anybody that would have
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: been more, that would have been better behind the dish.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: Now that obviously I didn't watch every Boston or Toronto
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: or I didn't watch I didn't watch every Detroit game,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: So I don't know how well those guys did. Obviously
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: they did well enough to be on there, but it
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: seems odd that you could win the Platinum Glove and
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: then wouldn't even be a nominee.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: The next year.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's not like there was some big drop off.
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: And I will say this because I am very not biased.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: It's bs right.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's better this year than he
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: was last year.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I don't understand how well.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Again, again, I'm telling you it's all math.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: They're using the defensive metrics, and I'm not sure that
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: those aren't flawed statistics that they use to determine defensive metrics,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: really not, but that's what they pretty much base it
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: all on. It's not like a bias against him or
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: anything like that. The defensive metrics, you just didn't favor
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: him this year where they did a year ago. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I bet you if you asked Dan Wilson, he'd tell
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you he's a better catcher this year than he was
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: last year. And another thing that defensive metrics never take
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: into account is it's also part of a catcher's defensive
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: portfolio to call pitches to make their pitchers better. And
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even go into metrics because they have no way,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They don't have a stat to come up with that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So I think al Rawley's the best defensive catcher in baseball.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I think he might even be better with another year
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of seasoning than he was a year ago. I bet
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you Cal would tell you he's better than he was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a year ago. I bet you all of his pitchers
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: would tell you that he's better than he was a
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: year ago. But this has gone the way of advanced metrics,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and I think they're flawed. And yet the same system
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: that they used a year ago that honored him is costing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Him a finalist appearance this year. Strange, very strange. I
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: don't think Julio's gonna win.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Julio did get nominated nominated for one of the three
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: finalists for centerfield. But Sedaan Rafaela of the Boston Red Sox,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: who was a shortstop in a second baseman just last year,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: has I'm pretty sure the top defensive runs saved in
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: all of baseball from the center field, so he's probably
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: gonna win that award over Julio. So only one Mariner nominated.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Five Blue Jays, by the way nominated. Wow, Yeah, they
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: have a good defensive team. Guerrero and ty France.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ty France is a Blue Jay.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah he is.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: He's not on the active roster. He's got an no bleak,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that's why he's not playing well.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wants he just wants to watch the
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Mariners win.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe deep within his templed face, he just wants
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the Mariners to win.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who knows.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, we'll talk about Game three,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the reset. We'll talk about your superstitions
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: going into this game, because it seems to me a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: lot of you have come up with a lot of
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: superstitions that are carrying us right now to a two
• 37:23
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