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IS THERE TRULY JUSTICE FOR THE COMMON MAN · Apostle Lazarus Femi

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Speaker 1: Do you feel the law protects ninsurance?
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Speaker 2: Well, the law is meant to protect people.
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Speaker 1: I like the fact that you're not giving yes or no.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel again that the provisions of the law
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Speaker 1: is accessible to the commonment in the sense that by
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Speaker 1: not paying bribes, not knowing anybody, just following the protocols
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Speaker 1: of the law as stipulated, can a common man get justice?
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Speaker 1: If the answiety is it means the enjoys an ideal society.
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Speaker 1: If the answer is no, it means the enjoy it's
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Speaker 1: not an ideal society. What's your answer? Idea provisions in
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Speaker 1: the law that can make a free percent become incarcerated
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Speaker 1: and people don't know about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have diverse laws. Mean at the
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Speaker 2: state's level.
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Speaker 1: You want to give some of the weirdest one that
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Speaker 1: people don't even know about. You can't take a person
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Speaker 1: to jail now, So as individuals who worked hard for
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Speaker 1: their moment as opposed to remove the part of the
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Speaker 1: government for.
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Speaker 2: The government, Yes, because that's eyesight. It's supposed to be royal.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. You are a lawyer of refuge and you've
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Speaker 1: been over ten years doing what you're doing. Now there
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Speaker 1: are questions I really want to ask and let me
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Speaker 1: start by asking what do you lawyers do You are
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Speaker 1: you supposed to uphold the law? What do you do?
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Speaker 2: Oh, we are put the law, we'll work with the law,
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Speaker 2: and we're actually in a stain temple of justice.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know what those things mean. But do
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Speaker 1: you upoll the law? You uppold your clients?
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Speaker 2: Well, you put the law and you work around the law,
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Speaker 2: and then you also represent the interests of your clients
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Speaker 2: as against the law, not actually not properly so called.
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Speaker 2: It's not a straightforward you guys.
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Speaker 1: Look at let's look at the situation. Now that you
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Speaker 1: have a client, you ask the lawyer. I think I've
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Speaker 1: heard people say things that three pople You don't like
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Speaker 1: to your lawyer, doctor, your doctor with your pastor people
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Speaker 1: like to the aposto. All right, so look at the case. Now,
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Speaker 1: this fellow, as a lawyer, there's a case on God,
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Speaker 1: you ask the lawyer know that this fellow is wrong.
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Speaker 1: If did judge finds this person to be wrong, then
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Speaker 1: what happens is that this fellow will go to jail.
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Speaker 1: What do you do at that point as a lawyer?
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Speaker 2: Okay, so he was most proved and then it's on
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Speaker 2: the prosecution to prove your originable doubts, dear their assertion
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Speaker 2: that oh, this personationally did this. So for me that
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Speaker 2: I'm defending the clients, you have to actually bring it
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Speaker 2: to for really, so all I'm doing is saying my
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Speaker 2: clients did not do this. You have to prove and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to prove that true my examination. Really, so
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Speaker 2: it's still up to you. I can come at a
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Speaker 2: com I say, oh he did, because everybody is presumed innocent.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I saw an art read someone said in the
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Speaker 1: court of justice, both parties know the truth. It is
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Speaker 1: the judge with is on trial.
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Speaker 2: Actually, so it's on the judge to hear from both sides.
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Speaker 2: And then you know, so.
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Speaker 1: You guys are planning on the intelligence of the George
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Speaker 1: and the court.
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Speaker 2: To do well. It's trained to know how to manauver
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Speaker 2: his way through good parties.
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Speaker 1: There was a time that it was a long time ago,
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Speaker 1: we had the case group number of us like that,
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Speaker 1: and one time we noticed that the opposition party at
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Speaker 1: the private meeting of a lawyer. Then the next thing
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Speaker 1: that happened was that at the court our lawyer began
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Speaker 1: to go against us right in our presence and began
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Speaker 1: to cite the opposition that does happen. It's something you've
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Speaker 1: seen before, because this happened. I mean I was in
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Speaker 1: that case. Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think this has to do with the peasins.
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Speaker 2: I mean, just people being person.
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Speaker 1: Lawyers can't take break.
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Speaker 2: Yes, people do, people do, people want to feel Okay,
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Speaker 2: I've spent the number obvious in this particular profession. So
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Speaker 2: I actually have made a statements. We kind of case
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Speaker 2: and so they will do anything. Actually, so we have
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Speaker 2: rosten neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: There was the hope of the commonment.
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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, we have if.
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Speaker 1: Your lawyer can sell you out, if police is not
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Speaker 1: your friend, what's the above the government?
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Speaker 2: Probably we say good. But like I said, you know
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Speaker 2: we have wroughtten eggs in every profession. Really, I've met
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Speaker 2: wonderful men and women in police, professional really even among lawyers. Yes,
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Speaker 2: So I mean that's like I would say, it's only
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Speaker 2: good and the person can only hope to meet I
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Speaker 2: mean a very good lawyer. And as I always still
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Speaker 2: advise that people should not just live, don't live the
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Speaker 2: entirety to a lawyer. Of course, most engage lawyer and
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Speaker 2: everything you do, but try and be converasants to it.
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Speaker 2: I mean the basic day to the rights that concerns
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Speaker 2: your person, really and you and to be as sertain
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Speaker 2: as a person, don't you should be able to question things,
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Speaker 2: Oh really, why are you doing this? Why are you
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Speaker 2: doing that? And so once we begin to feel that,
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Speaker 2: oh this thing is no long occur to me, you
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Speaker 2: have the right to withdraw your files from whoever you
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Speaker 2: are saying is you're counsel as representing you and take
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Speaker 2: it elsewhere and even call the person out because we
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Speaker 2: have plat for that reports. Any lawyer, who I mean
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Speaker 2: goes outside the profession.
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Speaker 1: How close is an average in the video who doesn't
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Speaker 1: know the law to jail?
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Speaker 2: Well, I it's always a shiny way. So let me
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Speaker 2: expanse Yes, it's shining way. So on the one part,
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Speaker 2: I believe in mean course and consequences life, and there's
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Speaker 2: there's just a tea line right now if I have
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Speaker 2: to scratch my hands with the risk with a bleed,
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Speaker 2: I mean in matter of means, I'm gone, yes. And
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Speaker 2: then there's also the there's a thing between freedom and incarceration. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so it's all it all depends on course and consequence.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just for the normal part. Now when
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Speaker 2: I come to the other parts of it, there are
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Speaker 2: there are things. I mean that law has stated that
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Speaker 2: that this is a crime. Really, so you do this
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Speaker 2: and then the consequences is a jail to also. But
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Speaker 2: the other twist to it is that you might be
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Speaker 2: in a crime scene and then you were one step
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Speaker 2: away from jail times because you might, yes, you might
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Speaker 2: be espoused to somebody who has committed the crime. You
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Speaker 2: might be somebody that's because my bid a friend. And
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Speaker 2: then not talk of profiling of I mean police profiling.
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Speaker 1: Now wait, wait a minute, you're saying that if someone's
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Speaker 1: spouse committed crime, you can affect the person.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, so they believe that people closer to you
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Speaker 2: should actually know you're whereabouts they know. Yeah, in fact,
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Speaker 2: you know the existence between corpus as because even even
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Speaker 2: as at the level of trials in courts, you can't
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Speaker 2: divorce a husband I mean from a wife.
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Speaker 1: Is that you saying that you can arrest a wife
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Speaker 1: or the crime the husband committed.
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Speaker 2: No, because shan does not permit that.
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Speaker 1: So what are you saying.
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Speaker 2: So in practice I mean in practice now with I
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Speaker 2: mean that doesn't find out that the police does people
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Speaker 2: who are either around the crime scene or people are
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Speaker 2: crossing the perce people that people to go after to
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Speaker 2: arrest and okay, everyone bring them in j state for questioning.
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Speaker 2: And you know, and you know in this in this
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Speaker 2: part of the world, we actually arrested them before investigation.
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Speaker 2: Let's sparkle of them for investigating. Why you find out,
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Speaker 2: I mean in western climbs, did my investigatings for twenty
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Speaker 2: years before actually bringing disappoint in the sotime they catch you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is it don't we're doing The world is
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Speaker 2: not right? Yeah, it is not.
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Speaker 1: The provisions in the law that can make a free
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Speaker 1: person become incarcerated and people don't know about.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we have diverse laws. I mean at
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Speaker 2: the state.
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Speaker 1: Level, lets give some of the weirdest one that people
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Speaker 1: don't even know about. They don't take a person to
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Speaker 1: jail now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was one I came in contact with
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Speaker 2: it that was last year and I found out that Okay,
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Speaker 2: this person was into contract and you know, this person
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Speaker 2: was not was not using a here accounts to collect money.
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Speaker 2: So which means the bason is invading tax elevation. Invasion
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Speaker 2: of tax is a crime.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I know that there are tax laws and I'm serious.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying that if you don't pay tax is
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Speaker 1: a crime.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, because that's how the state's supposed to run.
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Speaker 2: State does not actually have the money of it's own.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's start for an average person. Well, the
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Speaker 1: government dedoted the tax or you have to remove it
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Speaker 1: to your seve and take it to the government.
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Speaker 2: So you're supposed to remit yourself and at the end
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Speaker 2: of the year, you're supposed to file anna returns. As
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Speaker 2: a person, you do self assessments at the end of
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Speaker 2: that financial year, So which means by match twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: save everybody shoull have done a safe assessments and file
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Speaker 2: same as their nearest irris.
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Speaker 1: So as individuals who worked hard for their money. As
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Speaker 1: opposed to remove the part of the government for the government.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because that's a sight it's supposed to be wrung. Well,
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Speaker 2: depends on depends on the tax that we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's a tax table and we're going for companies.
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Speaker 2: There are different kind of taxes to pay, and you
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Speaker 2: know all of all of those things.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying that the government can wake up tomorrow
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Speaker 1: and ask for people's tax returns.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because you're supposed to pay and ignorance of the
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Speaker 2: law is not an excuse.
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Speaker 1: Really, what about those who say that they are not
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Speaker 1: saying what the government are doing all the money?
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Speaker 2: Well, is a concern that's very legitimates. Yes, because when
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Speaker 2: you when you learned. I can remember then I got
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Speaker 2: to was it I would there be a pot? So
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Speaker 2: I can't remember now that was some years ago, and
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Speaker 2: I was like, this is like a city on his own,
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Speaker 2: like this is the city on? What is going on here? Hey?
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Speaker 2: So you know, and then you look back and like
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Speaker 2: what what that is going what is that is going on?
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Speaker 2: Is that are we're supposed to be living this way?
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Speaker 2: So yes, the concerns are very legitimates. Really, so even
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Speaker 2: most pay taxes. People actually wants to see what we're
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Speaker 2: doing with these things which are busic amenities. Really.
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Speaker 1: But what you're saying still as a lawyer, is the
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Speaker 1: fact that for the fact that those things are not
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Speaker 1: are not available does not give the citizen right.
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Speaker 2: No, because laws are made you know, to come to
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Speaker 2: for a level of safety, I mean to control society
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Speaker 2: and for.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so let's let's look at the case. Now, these
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Speaker 1: are an average business owner okay, who makes net profit monthly,
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Speaker 1: let's say.
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Speaker 2: A million, small business, a billion.
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Speaker 1: A million? Much is fellows supposed to pay tax?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So with the new tax law, any company that
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Speaker 2: they are now gross and over is less than a
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Speaker 2: dream millions as small companies. Yes, so they are not
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Speaker 2: paying company in contacts and all of those things. But
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Speaker 2: they have to, you know, make sure they are collecting
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Speaker 2: that on behalf of governments are emitting the.
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Speaker 1: Same v yes, value attaches. Yes, so you are supposed
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Speaker 1: to withdraw your own money and then take to the
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Speaker 1: bank and depositing the government's account.
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Speaker 2: Yes, is not supposed to be your money for a
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Speaker 2: small company. Really, you're collecting from governments and you are
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Speaker 2: remitting it for governments. You're collecting on behalf of people
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Speaker 2: are remitting the same back affectly.
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Speaker 1: Everyone is a tax collector.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So I want you to still get into the conversation.
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Speaker 1: And so you mentioned tax the provisions in the load,
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Speaker 1: and an average person does in the world that can
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Speaker 1: take them to jail. So a perform tax what else?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's this scene by loading and if I'm
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Speaker 2: if I can't remember right, now it says that God
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Speaker 2: forbid that the lawyer knows all the There's always no
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Speaker 2: where to find the law, you know, whenever I need
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Speaker 2: to address that, there's no where to find it. So
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Speaker 2: the divast laws, I mean, we have lots of the
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Speaker 2: federable governments derive from A to Z. I mean they
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Speaker 2: are diverse laws, and the law is saying there's no
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Speaker 2: ignorance of you know, ignorance of board. I always I
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Speaker 2: always advised to put that should be a running businesses
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Speaker 2: have a lawyer around your corner. They no unlesshire compliance. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that you're supposed to to do, not to run for
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Speaker 2: out of the law. For instance, for instance, if you're
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Speaker 2: opening a company, you're actually not supposed to be even
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Speaker 2: put no banners and saying oh so so so so
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Speaker 2: without registering it. That is already against the loss to
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Speaker 2: start fits.
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Speaker 1: So if you have names out that you have not registered.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is the crime, Yes, it is? Why because
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Speaker 2: the losses. So those are revenue generating agencies really and
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Speaker 2: so they must bringing revenues for the government. Those are
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Speaker 2: part of the ways that governments mean generates revenue.
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Speaker 1: To discover, I don't want to see what's coming to
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Speaker 1: my mind. Okay, so you've mentioned that, do you still
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Speaker 1: want to go for in that conversation?
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Speaker 2: Maybe?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Now, how important are lawyers to heavy organization? For instance,
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Speaker 1: this issue of tax filing. I know you can't do
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Speaker 1: that without an accountant who loaded their account and possibly
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Speaker 1: a lawyer. Yeah, talk about the relevance in organizations of
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Speaker 1: lawyers and organizations.
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Speaker 2: Okay, just as oxygen is to water, just.
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Speaker 1: As lawyers are like oxygen.
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Speaker 2: Yes, lawyers are the lifeline. I mean it's in Africa
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Speaker 2: that's before Still few wait till I are you joking
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Speaker 2: right now? Don't pray to fully the trouble and then
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Speaker 2: you know, you know there are a lot of things
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Speaker 2: that people could actually have paid for and then when
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Speaker 2: they have to now run to meet a lawyer, there
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Speaker 2: paind time sten of all of all of those things.
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Speaker 2: But are able to tell you, okay, this is the
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Speaker 2: way to navigate. Navigate this. If I have to reply
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Speaker 2: people and it's already getting said of the lawyers, say
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Speaker 2: you know, let's write it this way. But if you
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Speaker 2: say this, this will implicate you. You know a lot
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Speaker 2: of other things like that lawyers are very very jamming
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Speaker 2: to an organization, very very.
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Speaker 1: I'm avoiding certain things coming to my mind in respect
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Speaker 1: to a very preculious situation in Nigeria because some of
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Speaker 1: the things you've described, I kind of understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: The relevance of lawyers in organizations can save you from loopholes, Yes,
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Speaker 1: in deals, documents and all those stuff. Have you seen
16:52
Speaker 1: a bad case in respect of this.
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Speaker 2: Before, a very very bad case.
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Speaker 1: That someone just believe, I can't do it. I don't
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Speaker 1: need a lawyer. God said that you got you know.
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Speaker 2: Prad Oh yeah, I want comes to mind now? Say
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Speaker 2: she was like, oh, okay, she there was a record
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Speaker 2: labeled a calleder I mean the man the manager brought Yes,
17:11
Speaker 2: so she sings and I was in front of other
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Speaker 2: fascilitated that you and she was like, go told her,
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Speaker 2: you know that this is I'm like, wait, wait, please, please,
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Speaker 2: I can't remember. I was driving around Centralia at that time,
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Speaker 2: and I said, please, you have to put me on
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Speaker 2: a call with this man.
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Speaker 1: This.
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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, disagreement does no jail, so so so proceeds,
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Speaker 2: we have to be on conversation. You know, she was
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Speaker 2: just putting in the religious perspective to all of yourself Okay,
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Speaker 2: it's fine. But I tried to hear her as I
17:36
Speaker 2: could only for us to call me lates there how
17:38
Speaker 2: many mons I said, and you said, and you said,
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Speaker 2: so she signed, Yes, she did, she did, and the
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Speaker 2: treated us so badly? Was the totally bad case? Really
17:49
Speaker 2: was a totally bad ones. Didn't read she read? She read?
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Speaker 2: She read? Was a totally bad one.
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Speaker 1: You said that an average place, you cannot understand many
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Speaker 1: of those.
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Speaker 2: Well, so if it were, I mean in the past,
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Speaker 2: you know, lawyers have something you call I could actually
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Speaker 2: be very what a lot of lawyers actually Now, I
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Speaker 2: mean diver from that side.
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Speaker 1: And let's let's say this is a document. I'm about
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Speaker 1: to sign a deal as an artist, and this is
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Speaker 1: a very long document. So you are my lawyer, and
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Speaker 1: then I've gone through it. I'm not seeing anything really bad,
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Speaker 1: just seeing the figures of the money. What part of
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Speaker 1: the document are you going to look at first as
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Speaker 1: a lawyer if you are you're standing for someone wants
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Speaker 1: to sign a deal. When a lawyer picks this document,
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Speaker 1: what is the first area you are going.
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Speaker 2: To Okay, I'll first bring my experience to the table. Really,
18:47
Speaker 2: my experience tells me because being in courts, I'll be
18:50
Speaker 2: able to see this work here. So one of the
18:52
Speaker 2: things I look for is what are your responsibilities?
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Speaker 1: You look for that in the document?
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Speaker 2: What is what is in close? Because maybe I really
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Speaker 2: get a lot in them? Clause is a lot? Is it? Lots?
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Speaker 2: And concert agreements? The responsibilities of parties? Okay, this is
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Speaker 2: how far your liability will be. This is a half
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Speaker 2: of parties. What are the rows of parties? And it
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Speaker 2: actually depends on documents, because if you're talking about land agreements,
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Speaker 2: I want to see the recital parts. I want to
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Speaker 2: see what is the history of this land before it
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Speaker 2: goes to the person that is trying to sell to you.
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Speaker 2: That's one of the things that's very JamMan to me
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Speaker 2: as a person. For land agreements for instance. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 2: what about the case of record label record labels? Well,
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Speaker 2: I want to see the number of years that because
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Speaker 2: some can acually be like slavery and yesesponding first label. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I want the number of years. I want to see
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Speaker 2: the remuneration. Yes, I want to see you know, what
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Speaker 2: goes behind the handling of the persons, maybe social media
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Speaker 2: and all of those yes, and all of those proceedss.
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Speaker 1: So you could be all right, or I tried to sleep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it Coby the Cobain and some they we won't
20:04
Speaker 2: tell you, Okay, they'll give you so so patricks on
20:06
Speaker 2: permnts and you know that is it was outdoors and
20:08
Speaker 2: they wanted to, you know, dish out so so certain
20:11
Speaker 2: number theirs saying the zippy, they're singles, all of those
20:14
Speaker 2: things they won't dish out in the number of years.
20:16
Speaker 2: How do you expect that this patose on your giving
20:18
Speaker 2: to this person monthly is going to help that person
20:21
Speaker 2: to actually bring out their best as you're giving you
20:24
Speaker 2: all of these things. So is one of the things
20:26
Speaker 2: actually powerful?
20:28
Speaker 1: Wow, one really can do that.
20:31
Speaker 2: Lawyer, No.
20:35
Speaker 1: Real life situation, you have a friend came to sleep
20:41
Speaker 1: over in your house then died. M what's a lawyer's
20:45
Speaker 1: first advice? What do you call? First?
20:49
Speaker 2: Call your lawyer, call your lawyer.
20:52
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, what's a lawyer's first advice?
20:56
Speaker 2: Well? Actually, if let's I don't mean now that you
21:01
Speaker 2: did not do anything, right, we're ass doing.
21:06
Speaker 1: Don't use the word you assume the person did not
21:09
Speaker 1: do anything.
21:11
Speaker 2: We mean the person did not do anything. Yeah, So
21:14
Speaker 2: actually every forspect of call is always you put yourself
21:17
Speaker 2: at the nearest polication and as well we have divisional police,
21:21
Speaker 2: the personal Oh yes, because it's already capital of things. Now,
21:26
Speaker 2: I mean you know, like I said earlier, we do
21:29
Speaker 2: arrest before investigation, just for us coming in sight before
21:32
Speaker 2: we do start looking for Okay, did you really do
21:35
Speaker 2: this or do you not do this? But you know
21:37
Speaker 2: the fact that lawyer is there, I'm able to tell
21:39
Speaker 2: you diare not see this peven if you know the truth,
21:42
Speaker 2: you don't you don't go the way to speak all
21:45
Speaker 2: your truths and come and say oh, I mean you know,
21:48
Speaker 2: because I found I've met very difficult clients. I am
21:51
Speaker 2: calling them difficulty. The appear at that they are very
21:54
Speaker 2: no and then they want to say everything as it's
21:58
Speaker 2: coming to the No, you said the truth, but then
22:01
Speaker 2: you you package it as they are.
22:03
Speaker 1: So this statement police, may that make that you have
22:07
Speaker 1: the right to Yes, anything you do or say will be.
22:10
Speaker 2: Used against Yes, very true, because they were among me
22:15
Speaker 2: the the relations with you most possible the police are
22:19
Speaker 2: you said, this is the proof? Then well we now
22:22
Speaker 2: get to try our teach. Now that's what we now
22:24
Speaker 2: wait for the prosecution to actually improve their case. But
22:27
Speaker 2: every other thing you said every of the things, or
22:30
Speaker 2: the person said, oh you got me. There was one
22:33
Speaker 2: time I felt like stabbing in. I mean, if you
22:35
Speaker 2: say that, you're already adding the persons, already adding two
22:40
Speaker 2: compounding to the evidence of the prosecution. So it's always
22:43
Speaker 2: going to count carefully worths someone insane? Should I those
22:48
Speaker 2: very intensive times?
22:50
Speaker 1: Is there provision in the law that Andrew's domestic violence
22:56
Speaker 1: is what about two young people who are not my
23:00
Speaker 1: and one is being violent towards.
23:02
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not. It does not cover our only.
23:04
Speaker 1: Couple even Yes, what's going to happen?
23:09
Speaker 2: Oh, arrest, there's arrest, But most of the whenople.
23:12
Speaker 1: Go to the police, they love at the person. Well,
23:17
Speaker 1: can I ask you a questions? Okay, do you believe
23:20
Speaker 1: in the police force?
23:25
Speaker 2: Well, this is your friend. I work with them money daily,
23:28
Speaker 2: almost daily basis.
23:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:31
Speaker 2: Aha, So I've met grace policemen and I've made.
23:37
Speaker 1: You no question.
23:41
Speaker 2: I've made grace with listen, and I've made you know.
23:44
Speaker 1: But do you believe in police force?
23:47
Speaker 2: Police force? Yes, they can work if they want to work. Actually,
23:51
Speaker 2: they work if they want to work. And they're they're
23:54
Speaker 2: they're very intelligent, very very intelligent. They have the right
23:59
Speaker 2: to have because you know, we work together. They have
24:02
Speaker 2: the rights. If they want to work, they work.
24:04
Speaker 1: Look at this real life situation again, have you seen
24:06
Speaker 1: cases were in churches? Power is moving, somebody is rolling
24:13
Speaker 1: under the unity, the man of say living liver liver,
24:19
Speaker 1: it's the head or something died? Is that mother of manslaughter?
24:26
Speaker 2: Is none of the above?
24:28
Speaker 1: Out of God?
24:30
Speaker 2: No, believe that out of this spirit. Well there's just
24:36
Speaker 2: an other side, you know, you mean, when he's out
24:39
Speaker 2: of the spirit. That's just so you know, mother is intentional.
24:46
Speaker 2: We have actors and mainstream. There's action and intentions. Yes,
24:50
Speaker 2: there's mother. But you know, manslaughter is I didn't want
24:54
Speaker 2: to it's happened.
24:55
Speaker 1: What is that one?
24:57
Speaker 2: So that one, well, it's not it's not. I won't
25:01
Speaker 2: aim it my soughter. Really why, I'm a lawyer, so
25:06
Speaker 2: I have to defend my clients who will the issue
25:09
Speaker 2: in that case also the charge? You know, I know
25:12
Speaker 2: families can be very emotional when it comes to those things.
25:14
Speaker 2: Don't you realize, Oh, these are people that these are
25:17
Speaker 2: people who are really are friends or not as you know,
25:19
Speaker 2: this person has a family. Really, Yes, of course there's
25:22
Speaker 2: going to be a lot of our proud. There's going
25:23
Speaker 2: to be a lot of doors raised, there's going to
25:25
Speaker 2: be a lot of you know eschanges, and a lot
25:27
Speaker 2: of those things. But at the end of the day,
25:28
Speaker 2: really you can't point to the fact that the man
25:31
Speaker 2: of God killed that person. You know, we fell down
25:35
Speaker 2: fail down in the spirit. But it's just that you know,
25:40
Speaker 2: we are more careful, and that's one of the discussions
25:42
Speaker 2: we have been. Now people more careful, and I found
25:44
Speaker 2: out that church is now I'm ore careful about it.
25:46
Speaker 2: They asked you to mean all the person I assist
25:49
Speaker 2: them and all of all of those things, so I
25:51
Speaker 2: do not get aught in those programs.
25:57
Speaker 1: So you had the onder not let anybody kill you.
26:00
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, yes, because trials can be very lengthy. Nichia,
26:06
Speaker 2: there's not what's it's.
26:11
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that this answer.
26:13
Speaker 2: Yes. Well, save for criminal, it's not what's it's. That's
26:16
Speaker 2: why a lot of us tends motive with you. And
26:19
Speaker 2: you see big companies. When you see our section for
26:23
Speaker 2: jurisdiction and all of those things we just do most
26:25
Speaker 2: doc courthouses, we do arbitration. A lot of you won't
26:28
Speaker 2: see or we are asserting to jurission. Of course, we
26:31
Speaker 2: don't have time for all of those things. Surely no,
26:32
Speaker 2: most national comes, they don't have time for that. Let's
26:35
Speaker 2: just be an arbitrator and let's be done with this.
26:37
Speaker 2: And then the judges are saying to it and that's
26:40
Speaker 2: judgment of the courts. Hm hmm.
26:54
Speaker 1: This is a serious one. Okay, look at this now,
27:00
Speaker 1: because I just want to get insight into day to
27:03
Speaker 1: day living. Do you think that the law protect influential people.
27:18
Speaker 1: Let's say, for instance, someone begins to video you without
27:22
Speaker 1: your concents, maybe in the public space. Is there a
27:28
Speaker 1: possion in the lord that prohibits that.
27:34
Speaker 2: Well, I think on this is an act that is
27:38
Speaker 2: being pushed. I mean there's a bill.
27:40
Speaker 1: Rather because also concerned things around cyber bullying.
27:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, they yes, it is. It is.
27:48
Speaker 1: What is cyber bullying? What would you at cyber bullying?
27:52
Speaker 2: Yes it is, you know, I mean trolls online, you know,
27:58
Speaker 2: bringing people's pictures with a I I you know that
28:00
Speaker 2: can be a team too, and changing it and saying oh,
28:04
Speaker 2: because I've seen a lot of pictures now where innuflicial
28:06
Speaker 2: people are left in naked the pictures are are you sure? Yes?
28:10
Speaker 2: The online and those are bullions? Really because it changes
28:13
Speaker 2: how the reasonable man passive this percing society. You're just
28:20
Speaker 2: starting the view of the society about this percing.
28:24
Speaker 1: I mean we're having a conversation with Dr Steller, okay,
28:29
Speaker 1: and he showed us a video that someone had made
28:33
Speaker 1: with AI using our image to advertise a drug. Is
28:39
Speaker 1: that a bad bullying?
28:40
Speaker 2: Yes?
28:43
Speaker 1: What could that cause? The fellow that how many years
28:46
Speaker 1: in prison?
28:49
Speaker 2: I might not be able to?
28:50
Speaker 1: Are you saying online insults?
28:51
Speaker 2: Online insults? We all people through jobs, but you know
28:56
Speaker 2: there's some insults that may a lot of common line
28:58
Speaker 2: because your brandkeepers see a lot of things that an
29:01
Speaker 2: average version even see to another person. Really, yes, yes
29:07
Speaker 2: it is.
29:07
Speaker 1: But I feel not all stating indurables, lots of cyable
29:10
Speaker 1: and laws.
29:12
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a it's a yes. So he
29:17
Speaker 2: reports about bully to police.
29:19
Speaker 1: Really they take you serious?
29:20
Speaker 2: Yes, they do.
29:23
Speaker 1: Do you feel the law protecting nagers?
29:28
Speaker 2: Well, the law is me to protect people.
29:32
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you're not giving yes or.
29:33
Speaker 2: No allows me to protect Yes. Just like I said,
29:42
Speaker 2: do you feel an average man gets justice? It depends
29:49
Speaker 2: on the room they're walking.
29:50
Speaker 1: Too, So now you have to know yes, and I.
29:55
Speaker 2: Don't really have to be somebody high up there. It's
29:58
Speaker 2: just about meeting the person who has said to the walkers.
30:02
Speaker 1: Getting justice by just following the provisions of the law
30:05
Speaker 1: without having any connection.
30:08
Speaker 2: Well, they may not really get it.
30:10
Speaker 1: In a very sincere perspective. As a lawyer, m h.
30:19
Speaker 2: A, I work with this. So there's this perspective that
30:27
Speaker 2: is quite worrisome to me, and that is, you know,
30:30
Speaker 2: paying for petition, Yes, yes, pain for petition. It can
30:34
Speaker 2: be lots your pay.
30:41
Speaker 1: You know.
30:43
Speaker 2: Paying Yeah, of course, why you do a petition, you're
30:47
Speaker 2: taking to the agency, to the agency involved. If it's trafficing,
30:50
Speaker 2: you're taking to native So you have to pay for
30:53
Speaker 2: them to yes, you know, quite a number. And you
30:57
Speaker 2: also pay for mobilization you have because you have a
31:00
Speaker 2: nutritive fees for them.
31:01
Speaker 1: They will not go after the criminal on til you
31:03
Speaker 1: have paid.
31:04
Speaker 2: Yes, because really to be now, to be honest, I
31:07
Speaker 2: mean to be honest, yeah, to be fair with them, yes,
31:10
Speaker 2: I mean that's the world. You want the police to
31:13
Speaker 2: carry their car, their their personal I never have events
31:16
Speaker 2: start with. And then these people they're giving a straitive
31:20
Speaker 2: impress or whatever to run the polication. They will eventually
31:23
Speaker 2: asked the commonment to is it that you're paying me
31:26
Speaker 2: or I'm not moving to run? Do we ask you
31:28
Speaker 2: for money to run? In fact, they ask for money
31:30
Speaker 2: for paper to write your reports? They do.
31:34
Speaker 1: Is there supposed to be so.
31:35
Speaker 2: It is not supposed to be in an idea society.
31:37
Speaker 1: Really even in our society? Is that what the losses?
31:44
Speaker 1: Is that the legal h so legally what's the hop
31:55
Speaker 1: the commandment?
31:57
Speaker 2: So for me, I believe in the n your approject
32:03
Speaker 2: and like I've like I always see and I'll keep
32:06
Speaker 2: seeing it for every profession. They are the good ones
32:08
Speaker 2: and they're the bad ones.
32:09
Speaker 1: Really get I get you. Now you're saying someone stole
32:16
Speaker 1: another person's phone. You've tracked the phone. You know. Okay,
32:21
Speaker 1: they will ask you how you tracked the phone, but
32:23
Speaker 1: you know who stole the phone. To get the law
32:28
Speaker 1: to move from point A to point B, you pay
32:31
Speaker 1: form a realization, not to.
32:32
Speaker 2: Get the law, to get the people who are supposed
32:35
Speaker 2: to enforced the law.
32:36
Speaker 1: Okay, I told you about you want to use codes
32:39
Speaker 1: to get the law enforcement agencies to move from where
32:43
Speaker 1: you are to the person who stole the phone. You
32:45
Speaker 1: need money, yes, you actually do. If you have money
32:48
Speaker 1: in excess will you be looking for in the first.
32:51
Speaker 2: Well, does a very mean? What is some reality?
32:55
Speaker 1: So in the ninega of today, there's no for the
32:59
Speaker 1: command man galley.
33:02
Speaker 2: Just hope, just they believe there's hope you believe, yes,
33:07
Speaker 2: And I know it's because, like I said, I've seen
33:11
Speaker 2: many people who are all out there in their drink
33:13
Speaker 2: that work really well, and then you've seen the routing
33:16
Speaker 2: ones to So I hope the common man walks into
33:19
Speaker 2: the hands of the good ones who are trying to
33:22
Speaker 2: do their job.
33:22
Speaker 1: How do you identify them?
33:26
Speaker 3: That is.
33:29
Speaker 1: It's concerning, Oh had discuss it's weighty. Do you feel
33:51
Speaker 1: again that the provisions of the law is accessible to
33:57
Speaker 1: the commonment in the sense that not by not paying bribes,
34:07
Speaker 1: not doing anybody, just following the protocols of the law
34:11
Speaker 1: as stipulated. Can a command man get justice? If the
34:16
Speaker 1: ansieze yes, it means the enjoys an ideal society. If
34:20
Speaker 1: the ansie is no, it means the enjoy is not
34:22
Speaker 1: an ideal society.
34:23
Speaker 2: What's your answer, Well, the common man cannot really get
34:32
Speaker 2: joice cannots, So.
34:35
Speaker 1: The law doesn't work for the commonment is not the
34:38
Speaker 1: Lord is good?
34:40
Speaker 2: Is the people who enforced.
34:52
Speaker 1: To What can the commandment do legally?
34:56
Speaker 2: Legally? Yes, because even the commonment to get a lawyer
34:59
Speaker 2: to be you're a lawyer, yes, and I'm not going
35:03
Speaker 2: to do problems like that, So I mean it's a
35:11
Speaker 2: long walk to freedom.
35:13
Speaker 1: Are their provisions where let's say, for instance, this property struggle, Okay,
35:18
Speaker 1: this fellow does have money to pay lawyer, and the
35:24
Speaker 1: case looks good, like at the end of the day,
35:27
Speaker 1: we can get this person's money back, then you can
35:30
Speaker 1: take certain percentage.
35:31
Speaker 2: Is that.
35:34
Speaker 1: Percentage so you can just say that you work for free.
35:38
Speaker 1: Is that gambling?
35:39
Speaker 2: No, it's no gambling. It's part of the what.
35:41
Speaker 1: If you lose the case as a lawyer, is that
35:43
Speaker 1: is I mean that is you agreed in the first place.
35:47
Speaker 1: So in that kind of case, you take like what percentage.
35:50
Speaker 2: It depends on the negoiation between both values. Yeah, between
35:54
Speaker 2: what percent Let's see this is undred millionaire undred millionaire. Well,
35:58
Speaker 2: if I was putting my lawyer as my resources, because
36:03
Speaker 2: going to court every time today, the court isn't the
36:05
Speaker 2: word of the course is not seeing tomorrow. The courses
36:06
Speaker 2: are jourining and all of all of those you're welcome, Yes,
36:09
Speaker 2: So we should be talking about like sixty forty.
36:13
Speaker 1: We're taking sixty. Oh him, then the lawyer takes forty.
36:22
Speaker 1: So one thing we're both agreeing at this table is
36:25
Speaker 1: that as it is today, legally things doesn't really work
36:34
Speaker 1: for the commment based on the situation of the country.
36:40
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put you in the spot, just
36:43
Speaker 1: based on the situation of savable situation.
36:48
Speaker 2: So I think once in I've realized let me let
36:51
Speaker 2: me take it, Tea. There's once in I realized. I've
36:53
Speaker 2: realized that because of the cocoon that our leaders live,
36:57
Speaker 2: and it's not by choice, is by the office, they
37:01
Speaker 2: are shielded away from actually a lot of things going
37:04
Speaker 2: on in the society. And it's whatever I do around there.
37:07
Speaker 2: You said, you mean it, Yes, I mean it's comes
37:11
Speaker 2: to it. I really mean it's okay, I mean it's
37:14
Speaker 2: now so it comes I mean with their with their offices. Yeah. Yes,
37:20
Speaker 2: So I've realized that the impression I used to have
37:23
Speaker 2: about our agencies in a budger how you need money,
37:26
Speaker 2: you need money, you need money, or for every time
37:28
Speaker 2: I've had to work into all of these incisions, I
37:31
Speaker 2: was treated well and not for I mean not for
37:35
Speaker 2: ones as somebody said, who brings a socain amount of money?
37:38
Speaker 2: I'ven't realized that even up to things that mean we
37:41
Speaker 2: charge people charge down with you know, they put a
37:43
Speaker 2: lot of money on all of those things. I've seen
37:45
Speaker 2: that really the government is actually trying to make a
37:47
Speaker 2: lot of business, I mean maximize profits. For instance, let's
37:52
Speaker 2: talk about school years. It's free. But then you say
37:56
Speaker 2: we put the need to bring several tickey to bring
37:57
Speaker 2: a ticket, to bring four tickey, to bring all of
37:59
Speaker 2: those things. So those as I mean, really you find
38:02
Speaker 2: out sometimes these leaders actually trying to do their best
38:06
Speaker 2: and work. But like I was saying earlier, enforce us
38:09
Speaker 2: of those of those laws. So it'sa points fur that
38:12
Speaker 2: it's even among ourselves, I mean the common men, the
38:15
Speaker 2: common men and of Nigeria, we are still trying to
38:18
Speaker 2: lord over each otherren because of this, I might not
38:20
Speaker 2: really be a leader kind of problem. And then the
38:25
Speaker 2: law is the law still enforce us.
38:27
Speaker 1: Really, you're a lawyer, so when you describe the kind
38:36
Speaker 1: of studio you have described, the agencies understand that you
38:40
Speaker 1: know the law, so they treat you with carefulness.
38:45
Speaker 2: Usually Okay, now I'm not even talking about law enforcement agencies,
38:49
Speaker 2: agencies that don't introduce myself as a lawyer. Really, do you.
38:53
Speaker 1: Feel there's an advantage because of a woman? Not? Really,
39:00
Speaker 1: there's a case on my mind. Let's talk about allegations,
39:06
Speaker 1: public allegations. Someone has alleged that someone did something publicly
39:18
Speaker 1: and the fellow did not do it. A bad such situations.
39:21
Speaker 2: Very very bad, very very bad. And then there is
39:25
Speaker 2: one thing that and you are doing I think I
39:26
Speaker 2: put on people Recently, people will be saying they are
39:29
Speaker 2: putting allegedly allegedly to say your.
39:31
Speaker 1: Sort of so when you have when you add allegedly
39:36
Speaker 1: to a conversation, it does not still exemptly.
39:38
Speaker 2: From these of your liability. Really, because people put allegedly
39:42
Speaker 2: to start saying all the things they can guard out,
39:46
Speaker 2: I mean they're never true because already defaming this percing
39:49
Speaker 2: you don't have facts before you Really do you have
39:51
Speaker 2: to really say, why not trying to put allegedly?
39:54
Speaker 1: People open fake pages, Yes, post something publicly, add allegedly
40:03
Speaker 1: because it's a faceless page. Can they be traced yes,
40:10
Speaker 1: down to the house looking yes, so nobody is really
40:14
Speaker 1: nobody is and that's why the father is allegedly there.
40:18
Speaker 1: They can see prosecuted for it. Yes, So once you're alleged,
40:25
Speaker 1: what you can prove it's the crime.
40:29
Speaker 2: Yes, because in the face of the come of the
40:31
Speaker 2: average man, you have the same this spacing you have
40:33
Speaker 2: brought broad down. You know, you have lower reputation in
40:36
Speaker 2: the face of the public alleging what you're not even
40:39
Speaker 2: privy of, what is not in fact before you want
40:41
Speaker 2: to don't even what's the experience. So I do have
40:44
Speaker 2: to mean go out and then you put it allegedly
40:46
Speaker 2: just in a bit to monetize, to get money and
40:49
Speaker 2: using the old metal vibes, seeing lot of actually going
40:52
Speaker 2: all their way to keep writing allegedly about people. No,
40:56
Speaker 2: they're going to prosecute it. Really so people can be carried, Yes,
41:04
Speaker 2: no matter because I remember one in December. I think
41:07
Speaker 2: there was a man they were always there was a
41:09
Speaker 2: particolub guy on Twitter, I guess was always trolling the
41:12
Speaker 2: wife of the man. The man came from UK and
41:15
Speaker 2: he's like he gives to his wife. Came from UK.
41:18
Speaker 2: They traced the guy, they picked him up and then
41:20
Speaker 2: turned out to the once more young boy. Then the
41:22
Speaker 2: family were baking. In fact, has actually supported that one
41:25
Speaker 2: that yes he's enough he's enough. Really you stay bandkeepers
41:29
Speaker 2: and then eskeep seeing things you don't know about people.
41:32
Speaker 2: It's so terrible. I think someone was it before yesterday
41:36
Speaker 2: of an artists was online as somebody was saying because
41:39
Speaker 2: she added the HIV now then there she that was
41:43
Speaker 2: actually was she didn't because I was supposed to hold
41:45
Speaker 2: in the Pascuala University. And I saw people writing that, oh,
41:47
Speaker 2: is there not based in prison? Now? Is there?
41:50
Speaker 1: You know?
41:51
Speaker 2: Is there? You know a lot of us. They're trying
41:53
Speaker 2: to tell the person that. I mean, how will you
41:55
Speaker 2: go out to meet such kind of allegations. Probably there's
41:58
Speaker 2: there's no longer stones for being in prison, and then
42:01
Speaker 2: you are actually ready to go. It's very bad. It
42:04
Speaker 2: is very bad.
42:05
Speaker 1: Was a legend the artists?
42:07
Speaker 2: Yes? And if the doors, why should you bring out
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Speaker 2: that kind of private information out to the public.
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Speaker 1: I've seen the case of loan abs that someone has
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Speaker 1: going to take a loan and then I start messaging
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Speaker 1: the contact please beware so and so person is HIV
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Speaker 1: positive and has stolen money from all those things? Is
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Speaker 1: that legal?
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Speaker 2: Not? Le A lot of them are shark loons. They're
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Speaker 2: just popping up here and there. And I've seen colleagues
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Speaker 2: that have actually even gone, I mean, taken all of
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Speaker 2: these things to court really against those persons. It's very bad.
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Speaker 2: We don't some of.
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Speaker 1: Them employ people that are ning courses on the the
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Speaker 1: won't them.
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Speaker 2: I was, I was able to talk with one some
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Speaker 2: years ago. They take them to beIN in like I
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Speaker 2: was say, there's a particulars queen been in that ladies,
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Speaker 2: you know? The person said, you know that they taken
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Speaker 2: into particular allegedly. Now I think it's about to classics.
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Speaker 2: And then there's a school there for them to know
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Speaker 2: how to you know, all land rain courses.
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Speaker 1: You know, in America, people make money from the law
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Speaker 1: all the time. If I, for instance, someone was standing
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Speaker 1: this happened at Lowbock, Texas in front of McDonald's. No sorry,
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Speaker 1: what's this big store for selling groceries Walmart? Then something
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Speaker 1: from the signage fell and eating He sued them, he said,
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Speaker 1: he sat down and yes, finally he sued them. And
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Speaker 1: there the provition of the law is, first they process
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Speaker 1: it quickly, we tell the amountain on the collect they pay.
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Speaker 1: But we've seen cases where vehicles of prominent people will
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Speaker 1: name or sometimes even kill an average citizen and they
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Speaker 1: will not even cater for the bills or be responsible
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Speaker 1: for anything. Because the old CrOx of this conversation is
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Speaker 1: what's the hope of the common man? So in that
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Speaker 1: kind of case, you can't sue them. What it's about
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Speaker 1: who as the biggest lawyer exactly?
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Speaker 2: Who has no lawyer that can actually come to public,
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Speaker 2: you know, make it public and know as you see
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Speaker 2: that quite a number of people who tend to when
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Speaker 2: they have decisions like that, they want to meet.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. In that kind of case,
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Speaker 1: someone has named another person you haven't called as a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: And then for this person you get there and made
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Speaker 1: the opposition lawyer happened to be a mentor you look
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Speaker 1: up to a great deal. It's someone you still want
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Speaker 1: to learn on that.
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Speaker 2: What do you do well? For our work we have?
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Speaker 2: There's something we see ourselves. There's a brother wood when
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Speaker 2: it comes to lawyers. And then sometimes that's our clients
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Speaker 2: fight us. I mean when you finish courts, I mean
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Speaker 2: procedings for you. You didn't say why are you talking
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Speaker 2: to that? God? Why if you ask me, why are
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Speaker 2: you talking to that?
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Speaker 1: Like?
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Speaker 2: No, we are brothers, because you can't be at the
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Speaker 2: opposite side today each other. No, we don't fight show,
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Speaker 2: we leave the provision professional. We le relationship relationships. Really yes,
45:39
Speaker 2: so that's why you find out you can even face
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Speaker 2: your property, your boss. Why you won't work that? But
45:45
Speaker 2: now you're opposing size, you do your work.
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Speaker 1: Have you faced the mental before? No? An expos.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: If you see one, you just go ahead.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I'm sure you were proud of me.
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Speaker 1: Have you lost the case before?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: The person went to jail because he lost the case.
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Speaker 2: Or is the civil matter o? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Have you won cases?
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Speaker 2: Yes, we have several, quite a number.
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Speaker 1: One of the things we were happening about this conversation
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Speaker 1: with is that a command man who doesn't know anybody,
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Speaker 1: the lord, doesn't work for the person.
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Speaker 2: That's meant to be a lost for the person. Really,
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Speaker 2: and it's very sobering, it's very alarming, is very saddening,
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Speaker 2: really very very sadden.
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Speaker 1: How do you think the government can do.
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 2: We've had you know, the government has been able to
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Speaker 2: provide we call something legal hate for people who are indigens,
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Speaker 2: to be able to get you know, lawyers to you know,
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Speaker 2: stand up for them. Yes, or this person does not
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Speaker 2: money if I were cases where George, you see the
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Speaker 2: George you say, oh, if anybody wants to stand in
47:04
Speaker 2: for this percing and you know, quite a lot of
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Speaker 2: times just the lawyer of stand up and you know,
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Speaker 2: really take up that kind of future. This for those persons,
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Speaker 2: that's problem. It's part of our job really.
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Speaker 1: That this fellow can't afford you take it all? Do we?
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Speaker 2: Really? All?
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Speaker 1: Do we?
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Speaker 2: And I found out that really when they realize that
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Speaker 2: this person who appears a place now as a council
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Speaker 2: standing for them, the one who knows the onions really
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Speaker 2: dizzy push back?
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Speaker 1: Do you advice? I know every citizens advised to know
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Speaker 1: the professions of the law mhm are the materials that
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Speaker 1: simplifies it both the boundaries and you're right as a
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Speaker 1: citizen of Nigeria.
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Speaker 2: The concession of Nigeria is available for every bodydo or
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Speaker 2: the printer from just know your rights? Really, yes, and
48:05
Speaker 2: that's not all that contion actually contains. You know, it
48:08
Speaker 2: contains the different zones and Enguria, different legiative houses.
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Speaker 3: Is and as crime to sell vote to sell vote,
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Speaker 3: yes it is in the law. Yes, it is the
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Speaker 3: crime to buy vote do want merchandise.
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Speaker 1: Is in the law. Are you saying citizens can sue
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Speaker 1: politicians buying vote.
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Speaker 2: With other people who have done come on public interests cases.
48:43
Speaker 2: But then a lot of times it's always the fact
48:45
Speaker 2: that do you have your evidence? Really? And number two,
48:47
Speaker 2: what's the locals standard? Because you know there's a lot
48:50
Speaker 2: of rivulals and vacatious cases. People just bring it because
48:53
Speaker 2: we'll ask you what is the local standard? What is
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Speaker 2: your like out? Does this affects to what is your link?
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Speaker 1: What do you stand to?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your link actually to this matter? Are
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Speaker 2: you a party to it? Okay? If if, even if
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Speaker 2: you're able to establish that, now, do you have the
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Speaker 2: evidence to back it up? Are they're going to make
49:12
Speaker 2: those things available to you? That's maybe probably you took pictures, probably,
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Speaker 2: and then you have to back it up because person
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Speaker 2: might be saying, no, it was just trying to greziple
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Speaker 2: and the pulling in the polling units. It was trying
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Speaker 2: to grazipol and the vote on the voting day and
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Speaker 2: all of those things.
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Speaker 1: It's niger an ideal country.
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Speaker 2: M hm m hm. Well, it depends, it depends, really.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I just wanted to say.
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Speaker 2: That it depends. It depends depends because really, I don't
49:54
Speaker 2: think an ideal countries utopia, and I don't think any
49:58
Speaker 2: country really has has gotten.
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Speaker 1: To the point of an idea.
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Speaker 2: You can just be father, it can just be mean
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Speaker 2: more father than each other.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for coming on this program.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
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