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Furness Show 10-16: ALCS Game 4 Pregame with Chris Crawford and Eno Sarris · The Ian Furness Show

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Speaker 1: My friend Chris Crawford.
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Speaker 2: I was wondering last night if anybody in Seattle was
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Speaker 2: more upset than our guy Dave Softy null And and
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Speaker 2: now one was my son, my my my guy Keith
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Speaker 2: for Fernak, him and his buddy Cody were at the game.
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Speaker 1: They were going and.
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Speaker 2: He got home and he was not happy. But was
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Speaker 2: anybody more upset than Softy? Could that be even possible? Well,
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Speaker 2: I listened to the postcast last night about late ten
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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock at night, and it was recorded, so it
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Speaker 2: was like it was raw, but you were probably still mad.
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Speaker 2: Then I listened to this postcast. Chris Crawford's yelling at
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Speaker 2: me on the on the postcast last night, he's yelling
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Speaker 2: at me. Andershurst was waiting to get down it because
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Speaker 2: he's at the ballpark, so you know, I have to
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Speaker 2: wait through some regulations. And so while we're waiting for
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Speaker 2: anders you were yelling at me. Why were you yell
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Speaker 2: telling at me?
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Speaker 3: Well, I just wasn't very happy with you, or maybe
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Speaker 3: I was taking out some frustrations and you know, some
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Speaker 3: of the things I said I kind of regret, like
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Speaker 3: I did the whole This is my show thing Number
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Speaker 3: One is not my show. It's Ander's show. Pretty clearly,
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Speaker 3: it's Anders show. And number two, it's just not a
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Speaker 3: nice thing to say. But I was I was pissed.
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Speaker 3: I was pissed off because joking aside, why, because I
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Speaker 3: thought the Mariners gave up. I thought the Mariners gave
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Speaker 3: up on that game, and in particular, I thought the
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Speaker 3: manager of the Seattle Mariners gave up on the game. Now,
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Speaker 3: one of two things happening, and either the Seattle Mariners
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Speaker 3: gave up on a playoff game, which pisses me off,
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Speaker 3: or Dan Wilson thought that George Kirby was the best
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Speaker 3: option for the Seattle Mariners going forward, which scares the
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Speaker 3: hell out of me, because there's nothing he showed in
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Speaker 3: those first three innings, in particular that third inning, that
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Speaker 3: suggested that he was the best option for the Seattle
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Speaker 3: Mariners rerun game. We've seen the Mariners come back from
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Speaker 3: three run games all the time. We see tons of
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Speaker 3: MLB teams come back from that type of stuff. And yes,
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Speaker 3: I do realize that you had to use a bunch
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Speaker 3: of your multi inning relievers in the game, the ten
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Speaker 3: to three blowout, but they had a day of rest,
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Speaker 3: they had a day off. You have those guys who
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Speaker 3: you can use, you can bring in someone else, but
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Speaker 3: instead you stick with George Kirby, who had nothing after
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Speaker 3: those first two winnings. He was throwing everything middle middle.
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Speaker 3: The slider was not fooling him. He wasn't locating his
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Speaker 3: fastball well enough at all. And I know Dan was
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Speaker 3: talking about the fastball was hot. Yeah, the velocity was
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Speaker 3: fine until it wasn't. There were ninety four mile per
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Speaker 3: hour sinkers that were getting click clacked. I just don't
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Speaker 3: understand how you can think that George Kirby was the
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Speaker 3: best option for you, or how you think it's a
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Speaker 3: good thing to give up on a chance to win
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Speaker 3: a postseason game at home. Either way, I'm not happy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, two things. One, did Derek Vadney call us?
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Speaker 4: He did, like thirty seconds after we got off the air.
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Speaker 4: He was ready to go.
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Speaker 1: Was he kind of excited? Yes?
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Speaker 4: I think he was like one of those guys that's like,
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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do. I just want a contest.
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Speaker 4: It's a massive contest, so I just want to make
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Speaker 4: sure everything is okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate what you participated. What were you laughing about it?
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Speaker 2: What was the click?
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Speaker 4: What was cla his fastball? Is our sinker was getting
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Speaker 4: click clacked?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Is that like mollywopped? Or is it worse better?
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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember those old under Armour commercials with
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Speaker 3: the click clack?
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is what was.
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Speaker 3: Happening to the George Kirby offerings. Y god, I'm just
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Speaker 3: trying to bring something new to the show.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let's go, oh my gosh. But yeah, it's a
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Speaker 2: ten pound bag of what last night exactly right.
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Speaker 3: It was ten pounds of crap in a five pound bag,
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Speaker 3: for sure, and it got worse. That bag just started
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Speaker 3: steeping right like that was the the bag that you
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Speaker 3: put over the bag in your groceries.
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Speaker 1: You needed that one from you.
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Speaker 2: Know, the the frustrating thing Chris and Anders would be
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Speaker 2: this to me because in today's baseball they have you know,
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Speaker 2: it's not it's not twenty five years ago where you know,
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Speaker 2: Billy Martin for the Yankees is standing in the dugout
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Speaker 2: and he gets mad, he makes an impulse, you know
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Speaker 2: play uh. You know, Sparky Anderson is looking around, going,
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Speaker 2: I think I think my guy is done. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: go out and get him. It's it's not that in
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Speaker 2: today's baseball you have so much information at the just
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Speaker 2: right there. If Chris Crawford, who again I respect immensely,
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Speaker 2: but if you're telling me that you're looking and watching
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Speaker 2: and Kirby's command is off, his location is brutal, he's
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Speaker 2: down in velocity. Dan Wilson has all that plus oh,
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Speaker 2: by the way, his spin rates also not what it
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Speaker 2: normally is, like he would know second inning, third whatever,
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Speaker 2: it would be right that he isn't George Kirby. And
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Speaker 2: that's listen. Sometimes you just don't have it right. Like
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Speaker 2: sometimes you just don't have it. That to me is
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Speaker 2: what's most disturbing. It's like, Danny, what are you doing?
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Speaker 2: Like you have all that information right.
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Speaker 3: Right, and there was probably information because they get that
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Speaker 3: data real quick. That suggested that, you know that there
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Speaker 3: was probably some decent movement and maybe there was some
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Speaker 3: pitches that the I didn't see it, but maybe they
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Speaker 3: suggest the data suggested otherwise. Because you know, Wilson I
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Speaker 3: was very mixed. I mean dang sure that I would
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Speaker 3: listen to his comments after the game as soon as possible,
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Speaker 3: and he defended the It'd be weird if he didn't
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Speaker 3: defend the decision, like if you said, I don't know
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Speaker 3: what the hell I was doing. No, he absolutely had
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Speaker 3: to say, you know, hey, the fastball data was really good.
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Speaker 3: And for the first two innings, Kirby looked fine. The
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Speaker 3: first inning, he looked great, second inning, he looked fine.
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Speaker 3: The third inning. There's nothing that suggests to me, boy,
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Speaker 3: we sure need to try to get two more innings
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Speaker 3: out of this. That's my whole thing, too, right, I
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Speaker 3: get given him a chance of the fourth. As soon
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Speaker 3: as Springer hit that homer. Somebody should have been in.
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Speaker 3: Somebody else should have been in. It's still a four
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Speaker 3: run game with six innings to play. You still have
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Speaker 3: eighteen outs for your offense to try to get back
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Speaker 3: into this thing. And guys, you can point out. Oh,
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Speaker 3: they end up losing by nine, so it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: It's totally different. It's a totally different situation there. That's
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Speaker 3: feel more comfortable. You don't have to play for those
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Speaker 3: six seven run innings, those miracles. It's a totally different game.
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Speaker 3: I don't understand how anyone can defend Dan Wilson's decision.
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Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's made some really good decisions in the postseason two.
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Speaker 3: I want to make that abundantly clear. And one of
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Speaker 3: the things he's done really good jobs above so far
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Speaker 3: is bouncing back from losses. Every game that they've lost
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Speaker 3: in the postseason so far, they bounce back with the W.
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Speaker 3: I won't be shocked at all if they do it tonight,
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Speaker 3: especially with the rock on the mount. But man, oh man,
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Speaker 3: I think you really blew a golden opportunity to at
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Speaker 3: least try to get back into that baseball game.
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Speaker 2: Well, and that's that's the thing is we'll get to
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Speaker 2: a break here. They when you go and you get
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Speaker 2: to that point and all of a sudden, you're bringing
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Speaker 2: your low leverage arms. You know when when and I
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Speaker 2: mentioned this to my wife has now turned into a fan.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, everybody can jump in there, I said,
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Speaker 2: when we start seeing the Luke Jackson's of the world
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Speaker 2: coming out, Caleb Ferguson, we know that the game, the
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Speaker 2: game's over one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: Either it's over in your favor or other way around.
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Speaker 1: And it was the other way around. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Chris Crawford is with us again this week. We're gonna
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Speaker 2: go around the horn, you know. Let me let me
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Speaker 2: just start with the very general thoughts from you. You've
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Speaker 2: seen now the first three games of this series and
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Speaker 2: the home team has yet to win. Seattle takes the
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Speaker 2: first two in Toronto. Toronto's offense comes alive last night
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Speaker 2: gets to win. What are your overall thoughts on what
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Speaker 2: you've seen so far.
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Speaker 5: You aren't going to keep this Blue Jays offense down
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Speaker 5: too long. They are aggressive, they make great contact, they
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Speaker 5: have power, and one thing that I think was on
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Speaker 5: display was that it's a really balanced lineup. I've been
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Speaker 5: talking on the show about swing planes and you know
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Speaker 5: how how pitchers match up with hitters. And what you
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Speaker 5: have is you have a golfer in Dalton Bar show.
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Speaker 5: He did hit a high fastfall. It was the highest
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Speaker 5: fast he hit all year for that devil in last
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Speaker 5: night's game. But he's a golfer. He loves the low pitches.
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Speaker 5: The lad likes him high, high and tight. And there's
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Speaker 5: there's a sort of a diversity up and down this
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Speaker 5: lineup that makes it hard to pitch too. And that's
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Speaker 5: what you saw with Kirby was he tried to go up,
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Speaker 5: he tried to go down. He tried to make the
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Speaker 5: right choices, and I agree with him in the end,
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Speaker 5: I think he got a little too cute. There were
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Speaker 5: times when something worked and he went back to it
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Speaker 5: often like that Kerry Carpenter high fastball, they use high thinker,
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Speaker 5: They use sawing sometimes. I think Kirby needs to say, oh,
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Speaker 5: well that worked once and I'm going to go try
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Speaker 5: something out there.
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Speaker 3: In know, I'm glad you brought that up because there's
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Speaker 3: been a lot of talk about pitch selection lately. The
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Speaker 3: pitches that were thrown to carry Carpenter. How much of
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Speaker 3: that is cal Rawley, How much of that is cal
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Speaker 3: Rawley needing to call a better baseball game, and how
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Speaker 3: much of that is Kirby needed to shake it off,
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Speaker 3: and how much of that is maybe better game planning
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Speaker 3: from the team coming into the game.
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Speaker 5: Well on Rais and Barrels with Trevor May today, we
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Speaker 5: did discuss the idea that it might be fun, I
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Speaker 5: might work. It might be a good idea for George
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Speaker 5: Kirby to consider calling some parts of his own game
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Speaker 5: or or you know, at least having the ability to
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Speaker 5: call games. I mean, I know that Blake Snell has
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Speaker 5: really taken to it and enjoy he calls his own
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Speaker 5: game with PitchCom from the mound. We thought that that
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Speaker 5: might you know, put some of Kirby's perspective in on
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Speaker 5: a pitch to pitch level. That might be beneficial. But
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Speaker 5: you know the way that modern games are called right now,
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's easy to put it on a
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Speaker 5: one person. You know, the pitchers involved, the front office,
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Speaker 5: the coaches, the analytics people are involved, and then Cal's involved.
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Speaker 5: And when I talked to Cal about this, he he
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Speaker 5: suggested that, you know, he's presented with the plan that
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Speaker 5: he then iterates off of. And I don't know if
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Speaker 5: that was regular season, maybe things change in the post season.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think that's any one person's fault because
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Speaker 5: you know, it just it. They're all putting, they're all
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Speaker 5: kind of deciding it together. And you know, I thought
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Speaker 5: I saw Alejandro Kirk looking over to his his a
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Speaker 5: dugout before every pitch. It's possible that the Blue Jays
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Speaker 5: are calling pitches from the dugout. So you know, that's
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Speaker 5: a trend in baseball. The Marlins did that this year.
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Speaker 5: We might be headed towards that where basically the coaches
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Speaker 5: in the front office are calling every pitch. But in
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Speaker 5: this case, I think, you know, sometimes the idea was
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Speaker 5: right and the execution was just a little bit off.
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Speaker 5: So it's you have to separate the ones where the
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Speaker 5: call was wrong or was it the execution, Because even
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Speaker 5: that Varshow pitch that he hit, if that had been
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Speaker 5: three inches higher, Varshow can't even get that because he
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Speaker 5: has such a shot like it's a scoopy swing.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: This is fascinating to me because and I've got to
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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of our listeners that are thinking
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Speaker 2: the same thing as me right now as you guys
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Speaker 2: have that conversation, you know, and Blake's now makes sense.
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Speaker 2: One of the elite pitchers in the game. How many guys?
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Speaker 2: How many pitchers? Is it the reverse where they're calling
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Speaker 2: their own game? And I mean Castillo would seem to
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Speaker 2: be a candidate for that if you're Seattle in a sense.
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Speaker 2: But then you've got this catcher that's got this great
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Speaker 2: reputation in terms of calling the games. How how normally
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Speaker 2: see guys shaking it off, but you're talking about actually
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Speaker 2: calling their own game, correct.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's something that has come more
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Speaker 5: to the four with pitchcomp because now the pitcher can
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Speaker 5: just have a set of numbers on his hand that
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Speaker 5: he's you know, he's pressing and the and the catcher
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Speaker 5: gets it. I mean, the important situation is that the
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Speaker 5: catcher knows what's coming for his own safety, you know, right,
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Speaker 5: but you know, and then you know in the you know,
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Speaker 5: historically catchers have been the people who put the game
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Speaker 5: plan together with the coaches and and sort of presented
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Speaker 5: it that way. But that's also historically that way because
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Speaker 5: you used to have to give finger signs, you know.
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Speaker 5: So we're in a new era of baseball where we're
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Speaker 5: no longer using finger sign and the catcher doesn't have
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Speaker 5: to put fingers down and the picture can actually tell
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Speaker 5: the catcher what's coming without doing glove signs. So it
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Speaker 5: is happening. There are more and more pictures doing it,
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Speaker 5: and it takes a certain kind of picture, a picture
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Speaker 5: that wants to make his entire game plan and feels
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Speaker 5: like he can iterate off of that game plan successfully.
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned so Toronto looked like they were calling
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Speaker 1: the game for Kirk. Is that right?
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Speaker 2: That kind of feels almost like I'm watching the college
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Speaker 2: World Series at that point. Feels like that's a college thing, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: you see that a.
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Speaker 5: Lot of costs.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that drogatory way. I'm just saying
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Speaker 2: that that kind of that you do see that at
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Speaker 2: other levels.
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Speaker 5: Sure, Well, I'm not sure how I feel about I'm
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Speaker 5: analytics for it, I'm a nerd, and I embrace it,
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Speaker 5: but uh, there's something about it. I don't like. It's
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Speaker 5: just taking decisions out of the player's hands. And you know,
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Speaker 5: I coach Little league, and when I coach little League,
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Speaker 5: I I try as often as I can to let
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Speaker 5: them make decisions and to learn how to make decisions
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Speaker 5: on the fly and and and sink for themselves on
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Speaker 5: the baseball field as opposed to me thinking for them.
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Speaker 5: And you know, the more we take these things away
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Speaker 5: from them, the more they're just sort of implementing a
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Speaker 5: strategy on the field as opposed to playing a game.
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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure that I love it. But I
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Speaker 5: understand why you do it, because you know, the coaches
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Speaker 5: have access to more information in the dugout. You know,
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Speaker 5: they can see the game from a couple of different angles,
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Speaker 5: and they can they can look at binders of information.
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Speaker 1: They can look at it.
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Speaker 5: You know, they can look at different tendencies and they
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Speaker 5: might be able to make a more informed analytical decision.
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Speaker 5: But I, you know, I kind of like the human element.
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Speaker 5: I kind of like catchers being so important. So I
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Speaker 5: don't know how I feel about it. But it is.
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Speaker 5: It is like a college thing. And the Marlins did
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Speaker 5: it all year. They did it for all the catchers
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Speaker 5: and all their pictures.
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Speaker 3: You know, ultimately, as an analytical guy, was leaving George
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Speaker 3: Kirby in after the third inning a mistake?
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you wanted to win the game, probably, yeah.
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Speaker 5: You know, there's also the question of it's a long series.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 5: You know, in the regular season sometimes you let a guy,
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Speaker 5: you leave a guy out there to where right, and
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Speaker 5: the idea is the bullpen is in better shape the
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Speaker 5: next day. And in the regular season there are a
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Speaker 5: lot more games that you can afford to loose where
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Speaker 5: you're just like, hey, we're going to lose this one
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Speaker 5: and it's fine, and we'll win the next one because
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Speaker 5: we lost this one. You know, in a postseason you
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Speaker 5: don't like, you know, a series, you can't you can't
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Speaker 5: punt games. But the problem is that the other thing
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Speaker 5: that's going on right now is that we're using relievers
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Speaker 5: more and more and every time you use the reliever,
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Speaker 5: every time the opposing team he's a reliever, a second, third,
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Speaker 5: fourth time, that reliever gets worse. And so you know,
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Speaker 5: you have to at some point balance your likelihood of
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Speaker 5: winning that game with you know who else I put
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Speaker 5: out there now, I thought, I think an interesting idea
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Speaker 5: might have been in Hancock earlier, where you're kind of like, hey,
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Speaker 5: this is a different guy. Maybe he pitches really well
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Speaker 5: and keeps us in it. Maybe he can pitch three
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Speaker 5: four innings. Maybe he keeps them from seeing any more
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Speaker 5: looks at any more relievers. What they did was kind
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Speaker 5: of the middle ground where they left Kirby in a
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Speaker 5: little bit too long and then they went to their
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Speaker 5: regular relievers anyway, and so the other team got to
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Speaker 5: look at Caleb Ferguson again and got to look at
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Speaker 5: some of their prime relievers. So I would have chosen
17:28
Speaker 5: one way or the other, which is sort of Kirby
17:30
Speaker 5: wears it and he goes as deep as he can go,
17:33
Speaker 5: or I bring in somebody that is not super important,
17:37
Speaker 5: like a Hancock type, that can kind of give a
17:39
Speaker 5: different look and not burn a reliever.
17:41
Speaker 1: Look for the other team, what do you think they're
17:44
Speaker 1: going to see it back? Schrezer tonight, great, unknown, right, I.
17:49
Speaker 5: Mean I can't see it going past through four innings.
17:52
Speaker 5: And one of the things that's really gone for Shureser
17:55
Speaker 5: with the finger injury and the back injury over the
17:58
Speaker 5: last couple of years is his breaking command, and so
18:02
Speaker 5: if that's not there, it could be even shorter, could
18:04
Speaker 5: be one or two innings. So I think the best
18:07
Speaker 5: case for the Blue Jays is like four innings and
18:10
Speaker 5: then a kind of a modified reliever game, bullpen game.
18:14
Speaker 5: And best best situation for the Mariners is he just
18:18
Speaker 5: you can't command the breaking ball that he used to. Uh.
18:22
Speaker 3: You know, the Seattle Mariners' top five hitters have done
18:25
Speaker 3: a pretty darn good job in this postseason, but six
18:28
Speaker 3: through nine have been pretty awful, and in particular, Dom
18:31
Speaker 3: can Zone, who was one of their better stories of
18:33
Speaker 3: this year, ended up hitting like three hundred with solid
18:37
Speaker 3: OBP and solids lugging. So sorry for citing batting average
18:40
Speaker 3: to you. You know, I promise I'll never do it again.
18:43
Speaker 3: But he's really struggled. Do you consider making a switch
18:47
Speaker 3: to Leo Rebos, who has looked so much better at
18:49
Speaker 3: the plate in this postseason? Or is it too small
18:52
Speaker 3: a sample size to give up on someone like Canzone.
18:56
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you're dealing with a pretty small sam
19:00
Speaker 5: size for Canzone in terms of regular season major the
19:03
Speaker 5: stress anyway, you know, so I could see it. And also,
19:08
Speaker 5: you know, the thing that Reves gives you that canzone
19:11
Speaker 5: doesn't really is a little bit of an element of
19:14
Speaker 5: contact ability. And you know, I think that you know
19:19
Speaker 5: right now, in the playoffs they both had bad strike
19:22
Speaker 5: out rates. But I think in all things given equal,
19:25
Speaker 5: I think I would trust Rebus to put the ball
19:27
Speaker 5: in play a little bit more. And that's sometimes what
19:29
Speaker 5: you need from the bomby of mind. That's that's one
19:31
Speaker 5: of the you know, the great things about the Blue
19:33
Speaker 5: Jays lineup is that they all make contact up and down.
19:35
Speaker 5: When you get down to Ernie Clement, you're like, oh,
19:38
Speaker 5: finally they'd like the eight hitter. Except oh, the eight
19:40
Speaker 5: hitter has like a ten percent strikeout right. So I
19:43
Speaker 5: think stealing a little bit of that flare from the
19:47
Speaker 5: from the Blue Jays and maybe going towards contact with
19:50
Speaker 5: your good idea. Plus Revus is a little bit harder
19:53
Speaker 5: to pitch to in terms of turning him around or
19:55
Speaker 5: using a u ftat as a switch hitter, I think
19:58
Speaker 5: that might be a good element to add long line up.
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Speaker 2: Chris, you're here for the better questions than that You're
20:03
Speaker 2: better than batting average Crawford.
20:05
Speaker 1: I don't know what I can do that, like I
20:09
Speaker 1: can certainly do that.
20:11
Speaker 3: Hey, we got some breaking news, and you know you're
20:15
Speaker 3: gonna have to tell us if this is the right decision.
20:17
Speaker 3: Bryce Miller named the game five starter for the Seattle Mariners.
20:21
Speaker 3: Is that the right choice?
20:24
Speaker 5: I mean, I thought Gilbert, you know, what he did
20:29
Speaker 5: was so gutsy. He didn't have his slider. I mean
20:32
Speaker 5: that slider that he was throwing was not he was,
20:35
Speaker 5: you know, three inches less drop. It was not a
20:38
Speaker 5: good slider. And he kept pulling it anyway, and he
20:40
Speaker 5: gritted his way through it, and more power to him.
20:43
Speaker 5: But if that's Gilbert on short rest, I'd rather give
20:46
Speaker 5: him the full rest and see, you know, a full
20:49
Speaker 5: on Gilbert in the next game. I also think that
20:53
Speaker 5: you have the specter of WU, and you know, we
20:55
Speaker 5: don't know exactly what he's going to be used. It
20:57
Speaker 5: doesn't tell me to start, but you have Castillo and Miller,
21:01
Speaker 5: and that's basically two shots at getting WU in the game.
21:05
Speaker 5: So what I'm thinking is if Castillo goes for and
21:08
Speaker 5: he's dominant, Wu's in the game, you're gonna try and
21:11
Speaker 5: win the game. If if it's if it's more tight,
21:13
Speaker 5: then maybe you do relievers. Whatever you do. If Miller
21:16
Speaker 5: goes in, he's dominant for four innings, here comes Wu.
21:19
Speaker 5: We're gonna shut it down. We're gonna win this game.
21:21
Speaker 5: So I think that's the plan for the next two games.
21:24
Speaker 5: Is it's Castillo, Miller, and Wu in some score of combination,
21:28
Speaker 5: and then Gilbert looms as a fully rested This is
21:32
Speaker 5: Gilbert shutting the door. That's the plan.
21:36
Speaker 3: You know.
21:37
Speaker 2: Sarah's from the Athletic Rates and Burl's podcast joining us here.
21:39
Speaker 2: Curtsy at George Hemberg. I got one more just on
21:41
Speaker 2: on this series. I want to I do want to
21:43
Speaker 2: get some quick thoughts on the NLCS. What's going on
21:45
Speaker 2: there too, where basically, if you're playing at home, it's
21:48
Speaker 2: not been good for you on either one of these
21:49
Speaker 2: series so far. You started off, though, you know, talking
21:52
Speaker 2: about the Blue Jays lineup and and what they did,
21:54
Speaker 2: and we saw what especially the top of the lineup,
21:56
Speaker 2: but it was balanced last night all the way through.
21:59
Speaker 1: Baseball's a weird game. It's a fresh start today.
22:01
Speaker 2: I don't think there's momentum from one day to the next,
22:03
Speaker 2: or you know, is there momentum is like is Flatty
22:07
Speaker 2: looking like Flatty looked like Alds Flatty last night, et cetera.
22:10
Speaker 1: How concerned should Mariners be about that?
22:16
Speaker 4: Yeah?
22:16
Speaker 5: I mean I when I saw that that swing from
22:20
Speaker 5: dond varshow I mean, he hasn't hit a ball like
22:22
Speaker 5: that like ever. That just makes you be like, oh
22:25
Speaker 5: my god. And then you think about the Blue Jays
22:27
Speaker 5: in this postseason. They've been a little bit feaster famine, right,
22:31
Speaker 5: They've either, you know, scored a couple runs or scored
22:34
Speaker 5: like thirteen, you know, And you know, I think that
22:39
Speaker 5: momentum I kind of believe what Kurt Schilling said, momentum
22:42
Speaker 5: is just the name of the Is it just the
22:45
Speaker 5: name of the next starting pitcher or whatever the quote was.
22:47
Speaker 7: Ye.
22:48
Speaker 5: I think it's a matchups thing. I think that sometimes
22:51
Speaker 5: they match up really well. And I think the Blue
22:53
Speaker 5: Jays yesterday, the Blue Jays were a top five team
22:56
Speaker 5: against high fastballs. Kirby normally throws high fastballs and he
23:00
Speaker 5: just didn't get them either high enough or you know,
23:03
Speaker 5: low enough in the game. I think that was just
23:05
Speaker 5: a bad matchup. But somebody like Luis Castillo, I think
23:08
Speaker 5: is a better matchup for the Mariners because he can
23:11
Speaker 5: throw high on the zone and loan the zone. He
23:13
Speaker 5: kind of he's comfortable in both places, and I think
23:16
Speaker 5: I think that'll let him sort of dance to this
23:18
Speaker 5: lineup a little better, you know.
23:20
Speaker 3: On the other side, the NLCS, which has been I
23:23
Speaker 3: mean competitive games, but it's really shown how good the
23:27
Speaker 3: Dodgers are. Where the Brewers have to do to get
23:29
Speaker 3: back into the series against Cillian Murphy aka Tyler Glass, now.
23:36
Speaker 5: The likeness is remarkable. I I don't know, man, because
23:45
Speaker 5: I tried to. I tried to kind of come up
23:47
Speaker 5: with an approach for the Brewers. You know, lefties have
23:51
Speaker 5: a little bit of a better time because he doesn't
23:54
Speaker 5: really have anything that he trusts to come in un lefties.
23:58
Speaker 5: So if anything is on the inner half of the
24:01
Speaker 5: plate at the fastball, so you can kind of look
24:02
Speaker 5: hard in there's a there's an approach that lefties can
24:05
Speaker 5: have against Glass. Now we're against right He's now Glass
24:08
Speaker 5: now a four pitch guy with high stuff on all
24:10
Speaker 5: his pitches, and he's he's coming to the zone more
24:13
Speaker 5: as a Dodger, you know, just throwing his pitches more
24:16
Speaker 5: on the zone. So it's just really good stuff in
24:17
Speaker 5: the zone, really hard that I think you just have
24:20
Speaker 5: the foul pitches off grind, you know, be spit on
24:23
Speaker 5: every curveball low and try to get some walks and
24:26
Speaker 5: just try to get him out of there. I think again,
24:28
Speaker 5: he's a bullpen. If it sounds trite, it sounds easy
24:31
Speaker 5: when I say it, It's really hard to do it.
24:33
Speaker 5: But get to that bullpen. That's that's their that's their hope. Uh.
24:36
Speaker 1: You know, tell us about the Rates and Barrels podcast.
24:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, today we did. We were talking with Trevor May
24:42
Speaker 5: I say, with Jed Lowry. We were just trying to
24:44
Speaker 5: break down these games as well as you guys are,
24:47
Speaker 5: and you know, having fun while doing it.
24:50
Speaker 2: Well, let'ten go check that out on where we get
24:52
Speaker 2: your podcasts. And I'm doing all those every day too,
24:55
Speaker 2: so you go check that out Tomorrow. We will talk
24:56
Speaker 2: to you one way or the other. We're going to
24:58
Speaker 2: talk to you next week. We might might be talking
25:00
Speaker 2: about a fairly significant next series of games that the
25:04
Speaker 2: Mariners have never been in, or we might be wrapping
25:06
Speaker 2: things up.
25:07
Speaker 1: We'll be doing it. I know I was very careful
25:10
Speaker 1: how worded it. I got in trouble yesterday, So don't worry.
25:13
Speaker 1: We'll talk we'll talk one way or the other next week. Thanks,
25:15
Speaker 1: you know, thanks for that man. There you go.
25:18
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25:24
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25:26
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25:28
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25:31
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25:33
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25:36
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25:38
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Speaker 2: All right, quick reminder, we have just an hour show today,
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26:14
Speaker 2: game four o'clock dropping the puck. The captain himself, Mike
26:17
Speaker 2: Benton's probably lurking around where Andrews is right now, looking
26:20
Speaker 2: around getting ready for the pregame show four o'clock, dropping
26:23
Speaker 2: the puck with fits and l or to what tonight
26:28
Speaker 2: Andrews Grubauer is starting. Okay, I just wanted to get
26:32
Speaker 2: that from Crawford to hear that too, but that's happened, Yeah,
26:35
Speaker 2: exactly anyway, so we got that. So that means no
26:38
Speaker 2: Fantasy Football tay with Fundston. We will be back to
26:41
Speaker 2: a two hour show next week. They play in Winnipeg
26:43
Speaker 2: and so we'll have a two hour show next Thursday.
26:44
Speaker 2: Back to normal next Thursday. So no fundstand today. We've
26:48
Speaker 2: already had people calling in, texting in no funds today.
26:50
Speaker 2: Softy's gonna take over two o'clock. He's at Jimmy's on first.
26:53
Speaker 2: We have a lineup, folks, one change, rollbless out, Revos
26:59
Speaker 2: in at second and Polanco is your dh can zone
27:02
Speaker 2: is in right field. Let's get some final thoughts, go
27:04
Speaker 2: around the horn with Andrews, Crawford and myself. I'll start
27:08
Speaker 2: and then toss it to you Andrews real quick. Just
27:10
Speaker 2: listen to Eno and listen. This is not you know,
27:13
Speaker 2: the Hof Hall of Famer in Max Schurzer sounds like
27:17
Speaker 2: glorified bullpen day is what it is for Toronto.
27:20
Speaker 1: You got to get this one off your Seattle.
27:21
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's as simple as that for
27:24
Speaker 2: so many reasons, not just because you don't want to
27:27
Speaker 2: go back to Toronto, and not just because it'd be
27:29
Speaker 2: nice to close it out today and tomorrow. But they're
27:31
Speaker 2: giving you that opportunity. It sounds like I'm talking to
27:34
Speaker 2: Emo and listening to Chris and everything else today, Andrews,
27:36
Speaker 2: this is a get You have to get this game.
27:39
Speaker 2: You got to get this one with what they've got
27:41
Speaker 2: on the mount.
27:41
Speaker 5: Yeah.
27:41
Speaker 4: And I was talking to Chris right in the break there.
27:44
Speaker 4: I think this is the first time, at least in
27:45
Speaker 4: this series where the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage, right.
27:50
Speaker 4: I like Kirby and Gilbert and Miller in the first
27:54
Speaker 4: two games as well, but this is one of those
27:56
Speaker 4: where it's like the Mariners have the significant pitching advantage today. Yes,
28:00
Speaker 4: with Luis cast you and I mentioned last night, I
28:03
Speaker 4: kind of was living in the moment a little bit.
28:05
Speaker 4: I said the biggest one game difference in a series
28:07
Speaker 4: is being two to one versus three to zero. I
28:10
Speaker 4: may be wrong, because the biggest one game difference might
28:13
Speaker 4: be two to two versus three to one, which is
28:14
Speaker 4: what you have on your play tonight.
28:16
Speaker 1: So go win it.
28:16
Speaker 4: Go to three to one. You're one went away from
28:18
Speaker 4: the World Series.
28:19
Speaker 1: Chris, you got your guy rivas in. You just talked
28:21
Speaker 1: about that with Eno. He's in tonight.
28:23
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:23
Speaker 3: I think it's the right call as well. Now I
28:25
Speaker 3: would have had. I know Robless has made some defensive gaps.
28:28
Speaker 3: I still trust him defensively more than can Zone. But
28:30
Speaker 3: I get it. They're gonna play the platoon thing. They
28:32
Speaker 3: want the left handed bats. Max Scherzer through forty six
28:37
Speaker 3: curve balls or had forty six curve ball played appearances
28:39
Speaker 3: against him and hitters at three forty nine with a
28:42
Speaker 3: six seventy four slugging percentage, and none of the other
28:45
Speaker 3: pitches are all that much better. Let it fly, be
28:48
Speaker 3: aggressive against Max Scherz, or go out and take a
28:50
Speaker 3: big lead. And I think the key to this game
28:53
Speaker 3: is just avoiding the big innings, avoiding those big three run,
28:57
Speaker 3: four run innings that have been when the Mariners of
29:00
Speaker 3: lost and I know the first game they lost in
29:01
Speaker 3: extra innings or whatever. But you got to avoid those innings.
29:05
Speaker 3: You got to avoid those types and that's why I'm
29:07
Speaker 3: so confident in Luis Castillo being on the mound tonight
29:09
Speaker 3: because I don't think that there is anybody better on
29:11
Speaker 3: the Seattle Mariners at avoiding those types of situations. I
29:15
Speaker 3: have so much confidence he's such a high floor pitcher.
29:19
Speaker 3: I expect them to win tonight, and I wouldn't be
29:21
Speaker 3: surprised if it to blow up.
29:22
Speaker 2: There is a resiliency to this team too, guys that
29:25
Speaker 2: I think is we're going to see again on display.
29:27
Speaker 2: One of you mentioned, I think it was Chris mentioned earlier.
29:30
Speaker 2: They haven't lost back to back games in the postseason,
29:32
Speaker 2: right like they just it's every you know, the couple
29:35
Speaker 2: losses they have had, they've bounced right back, and and
29:39
Speaker 2: that's Game one against Detroit, Game four against Detroit. This
29:43
Speaker 2: is the third opportunity to do just that bounce back,
29:46
Speaker 2: and Anders, you nailed it when you have that significant
29:50
Speaker 2: advantage on the mound, and they do tonight the rock
29:53
Speaker 2: at home against a guy that isn't what he used
29:56
Speaker 2: to be. Go get this one and then we'll talk
29:59
Speaker 2: about some things perhaps for tomorrow along the way. Softy
30:02
Speaker 2: is it Jimmy's on first post game Baseball's Best post
30:07
Speaker 2: game show Show, here on KJR. Also the postcast on
30:10
Speaker 2: the Lockdown Network with Anders and Chris. I'll be listening
30:14
Speaker 2: to that probably later. Tonight's kind of Usually I can
30:17
Speaker 2: listen to it laying in because my wife's watching Snapped,
30:20
Speaker 2: and I can listen to it then, and it's usually
30:22
Speaker 2: a very calming thing for me. Last night, it's not
30:25
Speaker 2: so much because Chris was yelling. Great, but hopefully you're
30:28
Speaker 2: yelling for a different reason. Later on tonight on the postcast, Fellas.
30:31
Speaker 3: I'm sorry and I hope tomorrow goes there first.
30:34
Speaker 1: Well, okay, alright, e, I can't do the Canadian accent.
30:38
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to stop it.
30:39
Speaker 2: That's Chris Crawford Anderson her Softye and Fane are down
30:43
Speaker 2: at Jimmy's on first getting you ready to go and
30:45
Speaker 2: primed up for Game four tonight Mariners in the ALCS
30:49
Speaker 2: against Toronto'll see it