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NFL Draft and NFL Combine Update · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites that podcast presented by BET three
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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Action Network. It
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Speaker 1: is officially NFL Acquisition season. That's because it is NFL
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Speaker 1: Combine Week in Indianapolis. D lineman and linebackers working out Thursday,
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Speaker 1: dbs and tight ends on Friday, the marquee positions Saturday
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Speaker 1: afternoon that's quarterbacks, running backs and receivers. And then for
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Speaker 1: the true football freaks, the hardcores O lineman working out Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Watch all the workouts NFL Network. I am Chad Mollman,
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Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer of the Action Network, and we are
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Speaker 1: going to get all the NFL goodness today with my
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Speaker 1: co host, my bff, my companion, Michaeh Padre professional at
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Speaker 1: her Simon Hunter. Hello, so I am it.
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Speaker 2: I've become by a week Chad brother.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned the combine. You mentioned the combine. We love
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Speaker 1: the combine. Uh. We need to give a shout out
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Speaker 1: to a very special someone. Many many moons ago, thirty
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Speaker 1: years ago, when I started my career out of college
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Speaker 1: at Sports Illustrated, I covered my first combine and normally
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Speaker 1: my job, Simon was fact checking the NFL Insider column
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Speaker 1: for Peter King, and for those who don't know who
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Speaker 1: Peter King is, a job that was a great It
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Speaker 1: was a great job. I literally got out of college
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Speaker 1: got a job at Sports Illustrated. It was late summer
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Speaker 1: and they assigned me to fact check Peter King, who
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Speaker 1: you don't know like Peter King, was Adam Schefter and
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Speaker 1: WOJ rolled into one for the NFL, and Sports Illustrated
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Speaker 1: in the mid nineties was bigger than an ESPN was
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Speaker 1: big but didn't do what s I was doing. There
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Speaker 1: was no Internet that people were competing with. It was
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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. It was Peter King's NFL column. He had
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Speaker 1: a Monday night football gig and I was his fact checker.
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Speaker 1: And right out of college, it was amazing. And he
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Speaker 1: is the sweetest, kindest, most thoughtful, gracious, encouraging, supportive mentor
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Speaker 1: anybody could have and anybody would say that. He loved
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Speaker 1: the combine so much. He was so ahead of everyone
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Speaker 1: on how to cover it, recognizing the value of the
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Speaker 1: all inclusive NFL experience. He couldn't go, so he sent
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Speaker 1: me and he looks at me and he goes, Chad,
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Speaker 1: He's got a really distinct way of speaking. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to try to imitate it. Chad, you are going
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Speaker 1: to love it. Gms are going to whisper sweet nothings
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Speaker 1: in your ear over drinks. And the way he described it,
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Speaker 1: it was so romantic. It was like, if you can't
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Speaker 1: get into covering the NFL after hearing Peter King talk
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Speaker 1: to you about covering the NFL, then you're not meant
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Speaker 1: for this business. And I mentioned Peter King because he
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Speaker 1: announced his retirement yesterday. You know, for years he was
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Speaker 1: at Sports Illustrator. He started the Monday Morning Quarterback section
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Speaker 1: at Sports Illustrated based on his brilliant column Monday Morning Quarterback.
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Speaker 1: He then took it to NBC did Football Morning in
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Speaker 1: America at the column at nbcsports dot Com was on
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Speaker 1: Football Night in America for so long. He has officially
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Speaker 1: announced his retirement after forty years of covering the NFL.
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Speaker 1: So we will raise our glass to Peter King, my
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Speaker 1: first boss, a Hall of Famer who helped pioneer modern
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Speaker 1: day NFL coverage. Did you know that? Did you know
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Speaker 1: who Peter King was and his sort of import.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know your connection to him. I mean, Chad,
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Speaker 2: any name you can drop, I am shocked. And you
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Speaker 2: don't drop it earlier. So knowing that I never knew
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Speaker 2: that you worked for Peter King's pretty amazing for me.
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Speaker 2: He's I guess, he is a hero. He's someone I've
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Speaker 2: read since I was very young, and I'm with Chad,
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Speaker 2: like I just every Monday morning, whether my team would
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Speaker 2: win or lose, I'd read Peter's column. And you know,
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Speaker 2: as I've gotten older, I've seen Peter through a different light,
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Speaker 2: especially now getting in the media. I'm happy Peter kept
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Speaker 2: doing it because I know, I mean, I'm sure you
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Speaker 2: know the spine closed doors. I've heard he he doesn't
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Speaker 2: like sports betty. He's not a fan of sports betting.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't like how much it's in intertwined with football nowadays.
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Speaker 2: So I hope he keeps doing some type of work
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Speaker 2: with football because I love his view his viewpoint on stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's just he just takes me back to a different time, right.
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Speaker 2: He's just from a different area. He's a different type
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Speaker 2: of writer. So it's a sad day. It's sad. It's
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Speaker 2: sad and you lose someone like this. But I think
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Speaker 2: he's like a lot of these guys who stake a
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Speaker 2: year off, maybe they get the itch again me. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you read his last piece, but it
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Speaker 2: seemed like he just lost that itch. I hope he
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Speaker 2: just takes a little break and he comes back, just
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Speaker 2: because football is better when Peter King is involved in it.
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Speaker 1: So look, you're right about all of it. It is
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Speaker 1: And the most impressive thing is Peter is one of
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Speaker 1: those guys who sources loved, not because he was trying
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Speaker 1: to kiss their ass. He was a good guy who
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Speaker 1: was unbelievably fair. He would report what he knew. He
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Speaker 1: would be fair about letting you comment, He would be
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Speaker 1: fair about letting you know when it was coming. He
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Speaker 1: knew everybody, knew everything, worked harder than everybody, and treated
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Speaker 1: everybody with kindness, like just a class act all the way.
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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you. I'm glad you appreciate it and
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Speaker 1: recognized if Peter King. Actually, you know, back in New York,
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Speaker 1: you had to when you would buy an apartment. It
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Speaker 1: was often in a co op, like in a co
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Speaker 1: op building. Right in co op buildings, you'd have to
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Speaker 1: get interviewed by the co op board and to decide
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Speaker 1: if they were going to let you move in, and
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Speaker 1: you needed reference letters and when my wife and I
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Speaker 1: bought our first apartment in a co op in New York.
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Speaker 1: Peter King wrote me the.
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Speaker 2: Reference letter good guy, just a good guy.
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Speaker 1: Good guy all the way around, one of the best,
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Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it.
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Speaker 3: You're out of your f in mind. So I'll tell you.
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm going necessarily on red alert, but
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Speaker 3: I'm damn excited. And if we had a two hour podcast,
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Speaker 3: I'd give you a full segment on high alert.
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Speaker 1: as I said, it's the beginning of acquisition season. We
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Speaker 1: got the combine and we got free agents, then we
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Speaker 1: got the run to the draft. But this week the
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Speaker 1: big news was announcing the new salary cap. The new
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Speaker 1: salary cap in the NFL is two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: five million dollars higher than it's ever been, thirty one
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Speaker 1: million more per team. So I want to play a
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Speaker 1: little game. I want to play a little game of
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Speaker 1: and things we're going to talk about today. Teams with
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Speaker 1: salary cap space, quarterback rankings for the draft, What in
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Speaker 1: the world is happening in New England. I want to
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Speaker 1: start with who do you trust versus who is closest?
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Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, if you look
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Speaker 1: at the teams with the most salary cap space, Commanders
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Speaker 1: seventy nine million, massive needs a quarterback and offensive line. Titans, Bears,
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Speaker 1: Pats seventy eight million, all have needs. If we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the Bears, the Pats, and the Commanders, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the teams with the top three picks and then
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Speaker 1: lurking down at the bottom. And I'm gonna want to
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Speaker 1: talk about this. Behind the Titans, Colts seventy two million,
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Speaker 1: Texans sixty seven million. So taking the AFC South out
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Speaker 1: of it for a second, who do we trust who
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Speaker 1: is closest with the combination of cap money and high picks?
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Speaker 1: Who do we trust the most? Right now? Between the Bears,
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Speaker 1: the Commanders, and the Patriots, I mean.
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Speaker 2: None of them, but the Bears, I suppose, if that's
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Speaker 2: my choices. The Patriots, we have no idea what their
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Speaker 2: feature is about to be, Like, Like, they are truly
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Speaker 2: stepping into the unknown for the first time well over
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Speaker 2: twenty years, and it could be disastrous, right, Like, the
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Speaker 2: whole Patriots scenario could be a nightmare. Sam goes for
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Speaker 2: Washington and the new ownership they have, right, we have
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Speaker 2: no idea if this new ownership is going to be good.
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Speaker 2: They're putting the right people in place, you know, both
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Speaker 2: these teams, I mean, the Patriots are a little easier, right,
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Speaker 2: The Patriots aren't forced to make a decision where Washington is.
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Speaker 2: There's a big decision for them to make. Between Daniels
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Speaker 2: and May So the way it's laid out is the
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Speaker 2: Bears are. It feels like ahead of all both those
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Speaker 2: teams easily right now. Where the Bears have some talent,
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Speaker 2: you guys have some people to build around at least
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Speaker 2: this draft. If it breaks right, and if your GM's aggressive,
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Speaker 2: you could walk away with the number one quarterback and
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Speaker 2: another number one receiver. Like this is these top three
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Speaker 2: receivers are really impressive. So you know, most people can
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Speaker 2: go out there and look at these mocks. Not only
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Speaker 2: these mocks have any of these guys falling to you,
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Speaker 2: Chad at that pick at nine. So to me, the
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Speaker 2: Bears if they want what Miami's done with the Eagles did,
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Speaker 2: which is you go out you get a number one
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Speaker 2: receiver and then in the draft you go get yourself
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Speaker 2: a wattle, go get yourself to Dante Smith, you attack
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Speaker 2: that second receiver position. I think the Bears could do it.
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Speaker 2: I know I've heard a couple of Bears face talking
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Speaker 2: about trying to go offensive line, but these three guys
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Speaker 2: are such unique talents. Either either one of these receivers
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Speaker 2: you can get if you could. I think it is
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Speaker 2: the move for them to try and move up somehow
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Speaker 2: and get one. So with the Bears and all that money,
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Speaker 2: they can address the offensive line and these other key positions.
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Speaker 2: There's really not the projected out wide receiver type right
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Speaker 2: now free agency, like there's no one for them to
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Speaker 2: go out there and really put a lot of money
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Speaker 2: into that'd be worth doing, where taking one of these
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Speaker 2: kids in the top ten would be worth doing a
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Speaker 2: wide receiver position. So yeah, the Bears right now, I
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Speaker 2: feel like there are leaps and bounds ahead of both
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Speaker 2: these teams just because they have this pick because of
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Speaker 2: a trade Chad. So yeah, the GM has already proven
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Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing right now. He's pretty savvy,
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Speaker 2: so I will let him keep making these picks. Solim
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Speaker 2: interview today, he said all the right things about Justin fields,
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Speaker 2: protecting Justin fields, not even telling people yet if they're
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Speaker 2: going to trade him, even though we all know he is.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going about it the right way right now.
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Speaker 2: This Bears the organization.
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Speaker 1: They did say they won't use the franchise tag and
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. They also said today they don't want to
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Speaker 1: use the franchise tag on Jalen Johnson, their Pro Bowl
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Speaker 1: cornerback who really came on strong in the second half
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Speaker 1: of the year, once the Bears had Montes Sweat to
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Speaker 1: lock down the pass rush and the edge rushing situation defensively,
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Speaker 1: Bears currently forty to one to win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Pats and Commanders, reflective of their status, one hundred and
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Speaker 1: thirty five to one each of them to win the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl all of a sudden, that's.
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Speaker 2: What the Bears should be though. I mean, I guess
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Speaker 2: those odds are just because they have fields on the
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Speaker 2: team right now. But we talk and the history of
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Speaker 2: the NFL. A rookie quarterback has never won a championship
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Speaker 2: game in the afsho in the NFC, So it's just
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Speaker 2: fools airing a better rookie to win the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like we were. I know, we were all over
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Speaker 1: the Bears last year. And by the way, we were
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Speaker 1: on the Bears last year when it started at one
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Speaker 1: hundred to one and got down to sixty one, and
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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's forty to one. Why
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Speaker 1: because they're drafting Caleb Williams, because they got seventy eight
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Speaker 1: million in calf space. Like, let's be realistic here, They're
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Speaker 1: still they'd have to come out of a division that
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Speaker 1: includes the Packers who were better, the Lions who are better,
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Speaker 1: Minnesota who could be better if they get their quarterback
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Speaker 1: situation settled. Great division, the NFC North.
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Speaker 2: But that line is in case justin Field stays because
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Speaker 2: if he stays yes, different, you can try it down.
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Speaker 2: They do take on Marvin Harris type and then take
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Speaker 2: an offensive linement or whatever the next pick. That's a
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Speaker 2: big deal. But again, we all know that would be
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Speaker 2: very stupid if they actually did that move. So I
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Speaker 2: do not think the Bears will we make in that
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Speaker 2: kind of move.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so either. New England is so interesting,
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Speaker 1: one of the most hated teams in all of sports.
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Speaker 1: What's happening like Craft feels very petty about the way
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Speaker 1: he's managing this Belichick situation and also feels like he's
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Speaker 1: making everybody audition right Mayo Girodmeo the coach Elliott Wolf
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Speaker 1: who's not the GM but is calling the shots, son
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Speaker 1: of legendary GM ron Wolf. They have historically been terrible
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Speaker 1: at drafting. They have no quarterback, they have no offensive line.
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Speaker 1: What do we make of this team right now?
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Speaker 2: It feels like the end of a twenty year run
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Speaker 2: of just ego and ton of winning. And I think
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Speaker 2: of all fans that would know what this is going
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Speaker 2: to be like, what their future is about to be like,
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Speaker 2: it's Chicago Bears Chicago Bulls fans, right, the Chicago Bulls
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Speaker 2: and the Patriots similarity are so strong in so many ways,
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Speaker 2: it's crazy. And it feels like they're about to go
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Speaker 2: through it and Crafts about to go through it. Of
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Speaker 2: they're back to the real world. They're back to being,
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Speaker 2: you know, just a team that no one's gonna have
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Speaker 2: faith in this team, right, This is a bunch of
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Speaker 2: unknown head coach and unknown GM. They have a ton
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Speaker 2: of money. I've seen some mocks where they have them
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Speaker 2: trade now not taking a quarterback. I really think that'd
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Speaker 2: be really dumb. I think they just need to take it.
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Speaker 2: I love these prospects, you know, Drake Man is his
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Speaker 2: weaknesses and his strengths. I mean, we haven't talked about
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Speaker 2: Daniels yet, but I love Jay and Daniels, so to me,
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Speaker 2: either quarterback falls to them. The Patriots just take one there.
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Speaker 2: And the spending the money parts can be really tough
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Speaker 2: because they are years away, especially in that division where
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Speaker 2: there is no real band aid fix. They can do
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Speaker 2: to really get this team better. Like you said, they
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Speaker 2: haven't drafted well in a couple of years. I mean
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Speaker 2: last year's draft was pretty good honestly for them. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: chaed it's it's tough to project this team out. But
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Speaker 2: say they do take a rookie quarterback here, or say
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Speaker 2: they do for some reason trade back and take JJ
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Speaker 2: McCarthy mid round of the first round, that means they've
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Speaker 2: taken a rookie in a division with Aaron Rodgers, Tua
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Speaker 2: and Josh Allen. So it's just going to be really
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Speaker 2: dark now, really tough for this Patriots team for the
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Speaker 2: next couple of years, and they're a team up. If
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Speaker 2: they do stay where they're at and take one of
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Speaker 2: these rookie qbs, that to me is the right move.
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Speaker 2: But if they trade down and take JJ McCarthy, I
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Speaker 2: won't give them crap for that either, just because they
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Speaker 2: do need a bunch of picks to really fill out
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Speaker 2: this team. So yeah, there are years away from being
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Speaker 2: relevant this Patriots team.
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Speaker 1: What an interesting analogy which I have not heard anybody make,
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Speaker 1: which is the New England Patriots or the nineteen ninety
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Speaker 1: eight version of the Chicago Bulls ownership decided they wanted
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Speaker 1: to go in a new direction. They had the there,
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Speaker 1: but egos got in the way between Phil Jackson and
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Speaker 1: Jerry Krause and Reinsdorf kind of didn't do anything to
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Speaker 1: stop it. In this case, it's Belichick and Craft so
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Speaker 1: and they had something so beautiful for so long, and
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Speaker 1: you're right, they are all of a sudden going to
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Speaker 1: see what it's like to really just be another franchise
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Speaker 1: that is struggling for a very long time to find
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Speaker 1: the right pieces. And the Bulls luck, it's been twenty
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Speaker 1: six years, the Bulls still haven't gotten there. And so
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Speaker 1: if that's the kind of run the Patriots might be
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Speaker 1: in for, they're going to rude the day that they
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Speaker 1: decided we had to rush to get rid of Tom
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Speaker 1: Brady and rush to get rid of Bill Belichick. Fascinating analogy.
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Speaker 2: I like it, Yeah, And just the whole thing about them,
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Speaker 2: like you said, pushing them out because they deem them
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Speaker 2: as past due. And you know, Jordan talked about how
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Speaker 2: much that hurt him, where it's like they should have
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Speaker 2: let them go for number seven. They shouldn't have pushed
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Speaker 2: him out, and those guys they'd earned that right and
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Speaker 2: Phil had earned that right to stay, and it felt
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Speaker 2: like at the end of the day. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you watch this Patriots documentary, but Dynasty, it does
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Speaker 2: feel like eventually the ego got the best of all
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Speaker 2: of them. And it's going to be interesting how it
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Speaker 2: is now, just because it's still clearly there with Craft
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Speaker 2: that he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room
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Speaker 2: because he has put an unknown GM in a power
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Speaker 2: position and an unknown head coach in a power position.
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Speaker 2: So interesting days ahead for this Patriots organization.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the AFC South for a second,
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Speaker 1: which historically you and I have bashed consistently as the
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Speaker 1: division with teams nobody cares about except for the very
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Speaker 1: small region in which they play. All of a sudden, though,
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Speaker 1: the Colts have seventy two million, the Texans have sixty
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Speaker 1: seven million. The Colts have Anthony Richardson, the I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: the Titans have seventy two million. No, No, the Colts
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Speaker 1: have seventy two, the Texans have sixty seven. The Titans
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Speaker 1: have seventy eight. We like Anthony Richardson, we like CJ. Stroud,
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Speaker 1: Jury's out and Will Levis, but this is all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden a division with those three teams in the Jags,
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Speaker 1: that gets very fascinating, and the Titans, to me, we
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Speaker 1: talked about this last week. Bill Callahan might be the
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Speaker 1: most important signing for that team forgetting about any players
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Speaker 1: they bring, because of a history of building really strong
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Speaker 1: offensive lines and that offensive line last year. I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you how many times in my notes I wrote down,
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Speaker 1: I'm worried Ryan Tannehill might get killed because that offensive
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Speaker 1: line was so so bad. So all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: if he makes that offensive line better and Will Levis
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Speaker 1: feels a little bit more confident and he's not just
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Speaker 1: using his arm thrown off his back foot, is that
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Speaker 1: team suddenly competitive. We've got a fascinating dynamic with all
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Speaker 1: four of these teams right now. Give me your take
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Speaker 1: on the Titans potential, especially in that division.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exciting, But like you said, I feel like
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Speaker 2: they're the furthest back right. I have the Colts above them, obviously,
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Speaker 2: I have Houston way ahead of them, and the Jaguars
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Speaker 2: are kind of the same place where, Yeah, if you're
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Speaker 2: you're a very Tennessee fan, you should be happy that
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Speaker 2: you've got a great offensive line coach. Now, that's all
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Speaker 2: about bringing the pieces in drafting right and then building
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Speaker 2: around Will Levis. Like you said, I don't know what
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Speaker 2: he is either, Like this kid has a great arm,
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's great at reading defenses. I
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Speaker 2: don't know how smart he is. So yeah, big big
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Speaker 2: deal for this team. You know they're gonna have a
19:49
Speaker 2: great offensive line and fall to them in the first round,
19:51
Speaker 2: Like they could take one of the top ten easily
19:54
Speaker 2: and just get it started. Or go attack the wide
19:57
Speaker 2: receiver position. I already talked about there's three great receivers
19:59
Speaker 2: in this draft. Go get one if you're Tennessee and
20:01
Speaker 2: give Will love us like a weapon us on the outside.
20:04
Speaker 2: So yeah, just look at their draft and how they
20:07
Speaker 2: project out. I just have them far behind because there
20:10
Speaker 2: are so many holes to fill. I mean, what was
20:12
Speaker 2: that three years ago, I believe, or two years ago
20:15
Speaker 2: they were the one seed in the AFC. So a
20:18
Speaker 2: lot of those guys had either aged out or moved on.
20:21
Speaker 2: They're a shell of that former team, Like they've just
20:23
Speaker 2: really lost all the talent. So I don't see him
20:26
Speaker 2: being a quick turn around for Tennessee. I think it's
20:27
Speaker 2: gonna be a couple of years where Houston we talked
20:29
Speaker 2: about last year, their way ahead of schedule. So the
20:31
Speaker 2: fact that Houston has all that money, they could go
20:35
Speaker 2: spend it on dumb things if they want, and I
20:36
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to hurt him. Like I've seen
20:38
Speaker 2: a couple of news reports to them going after Saquon Barkley.
20:42
Speaker 2: It's stupid, but for them it's not because it's like,
20:46
Speaker 2: why would you not go Saquon Barkley. He's a great player.
20:49
Speaker 2: Why would a team not want to add him to
20:50
Speaker 2: their team, especially Houston. They don't really need it, though,
20:53
Speaker 2: Like it's not I mean we talk all the time.
20:57
Speaker 2: These running backs don't really make or break these teams
20:59
Speaker 2: historically to find other guys to build around. So yeah,
21:03
Speaker 2: my hope is Houston just spends on the defensive front
21:06
Speaker 2: and maybe keeps adding to that offensive line, because, like
21:09
Speaker 2: you said, that's so much money for a team that
21:12
Speaker 2: has the best player of their quarterback on a rookie deal,
21:15
Speaker 2: and we talk all the time, that's the window for
21:16
Speaker 2: a lot of these teams. So yeah, it's it's bad though,
21:21
Speaker 2: Like even when we're talking about this right now, if
21:22
Speaker 2: you're the Jaguars, you know they they might be in
21:27
Speaker 2: a really tough division for the next couple of years.
21:29
Speaker 2: Jad Like they all of a sudden they were feeling good, right,
21:31
Speaker 2: they had Trevor Lawrence. Everyone else in their division had
21:34
Speaker 2: old or no really good quarterbacks at their quarterback position. Now,
21:37
Speaker 2: like you just said it, a year later, every team
21:41
Speaker 2: kind of has some hope and something to look forward to.
21:43
Speaker 2: So yeah, big big season for Obsanthony Richardson, Will Levis
21:46
Speaker 2: to figure out what they are. But Trevor Lawrence obviously
21:49
Speaker 2: has the biggest target on his back. He did not
21:52
Speaker 2: he did not play well enough down the stretch last year,
21:54
Speaker 2: and I know it's cause injury, but yeah, losing the division,
21:57
Speaker 2: all of it. He's got a lot to answer this
21:59
Speaker 2: cup coming season. So definitely most pressure team in this
22:03
Speaker 2: division has to be the Jaguars.
22:05
Speaker 1: Well, you just made a good point about the money, right,
22:07
Speaker 1: they both have sixty seven million. Crazy, they're both their
22:11
Speaker 1: biggest needs. Both of them are in the defensive backfield.
22:17
Speaker 1: If you're the Colts, if you're the Texans, how do
22:21
Speaker 1: you not back up a truck for Kansas City Chiefs
22:26
Speaker 1: cornerback Lugerious Need, Who's.
22:29
Speaker 2: Gonna get tagged? I guarantee it'll be franchise tagged. They
22:33
Speaker 2: got to talk to some really smart people that work
22:35
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs and they're like, we'll make him an offer.
22:37
Speaker 2: He doesn't take it, we're just gonna tag him. There's
22:39
Speaker 2: no way he'll walk away from trying to three pete.
22:41
Speaker 2: So I'm with you, though they don't. That's your your
22:44
Speaker 2: spot on Chah. That's a great read. That's the first
22:46
Speaker 2: call i'd make.
22:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the guy is lockdown confident who just makes
22:52
Speaker 1: big play after big play and is so smart on
22:57
Speaker 1: the ball he changes the dead for you in the
23:01
Speaker 1: defensive backfield. Think about how good you know? I think
23:04
Speaker 1: the jury is still out on Derek Stingley Junior. He
23:07
Speaker 1: did have five picks last year, But you know, I
23:10
Speaker 1: think when you're getting thrown on a lot, it's it's
23:13
Speaker 1: easier to pick the ball off. And so is he good?
23:19
Speaker 1: Is he just getting taken advantage of? And he happens
23:21
Speaker 1: to be a have good enough ball skills to get there.
23:24
Speaker 1: But you get lugerious neat on that team. All of
23:27
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got like legit edge rush, legit quarterback,
23:35
Speaker 1: legit cornerback who is locking people down that team all
23:41
Speaker 1: of a sudden has a window that is wide open
23:44
Speaker 1: for four years. They got to they get they get
23:47
Speaker 1: a great defensive back. That's a that's a tough team.
23:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think again they're going to break the
23:54
Speaker 2: model because to me, they're a team that I expect
23:57
Speaker 2: them to get smacked next year. They got a first
23:59
Speaker 2: place schedule, which means they got to go play the Bills,
24:02
Speaker 2: they gotta go play the Chiefs, they gotta go play
24:03
Speaker 2: the Ravens. That's really tough. But like you just said,
24:07
Speaker 2: they're the rare team that they got the money. They
24:09
Speaker 2: can maybe make it, make manage it where they can
24:11
Speaker 2: add the players and they can still be a great team.
24:15
Speaker 2: It's just gonna be really tough with that first place schedule. Uh.
24:22
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Patriots potentially moving down getting McCarthy, Do
24:29
Speaker 1: they take Drake May A lot of conversation about Marvin
24:35
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior, who's not going to be running at the
24:42
Speaker 1: at Pro Day. What are you hearing right now? This
24:51
Speaker 1: is this is the window. Let me rephrase, this is
24:54
Speaker 1: the window where all the speculation begins, where all of
25:00
Speaker 1: the rationale of all the quarterback conversations we've had for
25:05
Speaker 1: the past few years. You know, whether it was Oh
25:12
Speaker 1: my god, I just forgot his name, the kid from
25:15
Speaker 1: Alabama who's already washed out in New England.
25:18
Speaker 2: Oh, Mac mac Jones, mac Jones.
25:20
Speaker 1: Right, mac Jones going number three. We're like, that makes
25:23
Speaker 1: no sense. He's not going to go number three. Or
25:26
Speaker 1: last year when the Panthers decide they're taking Bryce Young
25:30
Speaker 1: and we're like, this makes no sense. It's not pee
25:33
Speaker 1: wee football. But what happens is people all of a
25:36
Speaker 1: sudden get more and more excited about raw talent that
25:39
Speaker 1: they see out of pads, and they forget what they're
25:41
Speaker 1: seeing on film. JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Drake May, from
25:50
Speaker 1: what you've seen so far, what you're hearing so far,
25:54
Speaker 1: how do you think this lands?
25:56
Speaker 2: And I'll start by saying this, I love this class
25:58
Speaker 2: because all these guys have played it ton there's a
26:00
Speaker 2: ton of film, and all these guys were last year
26:03
Speaker 2: didn't really have that, especially Anthony Richardson. It's nice when
26:06
Speaker 2: you get guys who play a ton of football, and
26:10
Speaker 2: it's shocking. I went into this thinking Drake May was
26:12
Speaker 2: gonna be my slam dunk number two. I loved him
26:15
Speaker 2: coming into last season. I thought he played pretty well
26:17
Speaker 2: for not that great of a team. But yeah, this
26:20
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels kid, he's just special, Like there's something about him,
26:24
Speaker 2: especially seeing that he improved so much these last two seasons,
26:28
Speaker 2: where clearly he can be coached, and that's a big
26:32
Speaker 2: deal in football that people can be coached. And Drake
26:36
Speaker 2: May is the better prospect right now, so I would
26:38
Speaker 2: not be shocked to see him go number two at Washington.
26:41
Speaker 2: But I think people are gonna see more and more
26:43
Speaker 2: mocks and more people after this combine week talking about
26:46
Speaker 2: Jaye and Daniels being the number two pick, and it stinks.
26:49
Speaker 2: The books are already kind of ahead of it. Like
26:50
Speaker 2: I've been looking around chat. I think plus one fifty
26:53
Speaker 2: is the best thing I could find for him going
26:55
Speaker 2: to Washington. The Jaden Daniels pick, which is still good,
26:57
Speaker 2: but I thought it'd be a little better, just because
26:59
Speaker 2: the Drake May hype was so insane all season. You know,
27:04
Speaker 2: looking at the future of the NFL, we've seen a shift.
27:08
Speaker 2: We've seen a shift that they want to get quarterbacks
27:11
Speaker 2: that can use their feet as a weapon. And if
27:14
Speaker 2: you're a team in Washington that has a horrible offensive line,
27:17
Speaker 2: do you want to get the Herbert type, which what
27:19
Speaker 2: Drake That's exactly what Drake May is. I don't know
27:22
Speaker 2: if I do. Like I know it's kind of lazy
27:25
Speaker 2: because he went to LSU, but Daniels reminds me of
27:30
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow the way he moves and all that is
27:34
Speaker 2: obviously different because he's such an athletic runner. But right now,
27:38
Speaker 2: Daniel's biggest weakness, which is not like Joe Burrow, is
27:41
Speaker 2: he's not great at being in the pocket, having pocket awareness.
27:44
Speaker 2: So there are some red flags obviously with him. But
27:48
Speaker 2: it's a big decision that Washington has to make here
27:50
Speaker 2: because I just feel like one of these two are
27:53
Speaker 2: going to work out, Like both of them have really
27:55
Speaker 2: good upside if they get the right coaching. I could
27:58
Speaker 2: see Drake workout, I could see Daniel's workout, like they
28:02
Speaker 2: both are incredible prospects. You know, Drake May people talked
28:08
Speaker 2: about it. He would probably be the Num. One pick
28:09
Speaker 2: right if if there was no Williams. I don't know.
28:13
Speaker 2: I think Daniels played well enough these last two years
28:15
Speaker 2: where he could put himself in that position, So it's
28:19
Speaker 2: interesting he's not thrown at the combine Daniels already said
28:21
Speaker 2: he's not going to He's gonna wait for his pro day.
28:25
Speaker 2: You know, maybe in his mind the information he's getting
28:28
Speaker 2: is telling him he doesn't need to. You know, he
28:30
Speaker 2: mentioned his name. I just don't want to jump around
28:32
Speaker 2: too much. For Marvin Harris Junior. He passed on having
28:35
Speaker 2: an agent. I believe Williams did as well. So it's
28:40
Speaker 2: interesting where the combine is a big deal in the
28:43
Speaker 2: football world. Like a lot of trades, A lot of
28:45
Speaker 2: stuff happens this weekend. Like I think Fields if he
28:48
Speaker 2: has trade, I think he'll be traded at this combine,
28:52
Speaker 2: Like they'll set up a trade in place and that's
28:53
Speaker 2: when the deal will get done. So yeah, this this
28:58
Speaker 2: QB class is incredible. But JJ McCarthy again, we can
29:02
Speaker 2: talk about it more as we go along here. I
29:04
Speaker 2: really wanted to focus on the other two guys because
29:06
Speaker 2: I do think they're the fight for the number two pick.
29:08
Speaker 2: I don't think JJ, even if he had an incredible combine,
29:12
Speaker 2: I don't know if he can move ahead of those two,
29:13
Speaker 2: just because we have so many of their throws on tape.
29:17
Speaker 2: JJ did not throw the ball enough and Harbow's offense,
29:19
Speaker 2: he just didn't. They were just were not that type
29:21
Speaker 2: of team, so that that hurts him honestly, like he
29:25
Speaker 2: could be a better prospect than both of them. I
29:27
Speaker 2: just have so many more throws on film of those guys,
29:30
Speaker 2: and I know exactly what they are, like, I really do.
29:32
Speaker 2: Where that's rare coming out a lot of these guys
29:36
Speaker 2: coming out because of COVID. They all played three four years,
29:39
Speaker 2: So I have a lot of film and a lot
29:40
Speaker 2: of these guys, which is rare for coming out of
29:43
Speaker 2: college drafts.
29:45
Speaker 1: Todd mcshae tweeted either yesterday or today that he has
29:49
Speaker 1: two takeaways from his convos with teams in the past week. One,
29:56
Speaker 1: so much more love for Jaden Daniels amongst teams than
30:00
Speaker 1: in the media. And this is when it's acquisition season.
30:05
Speaker 1: It's also crazy season, right where everybody starts falling in
30:09
Speaker 1: love and we all do it. You fall in love
30:12
Speaker 1: with games, you fall in love with teams. You think
30:14
Speaker 1: you're seeing something that nobody else can see, you blind
30:18
Speaker 1: to all the negatives for whatever. But I could easily
30:23
Speaker 1: see Jaden Daniels going number two as more and more.
30:27
Speaker 1: Look we saw last year with Anthony Richardson right, Anthony
30:30
Speaker 1: richardson Hype and you were ahead of this, Anthony richardson Hype,
30:33
Speaker 1: Bill Bill Bill. All of a sudden, this guy who
30:35
Speaker 1: had started basically one season in Florida became a top
30:39
Speaker 1: five pick out of nowhere. Jadan Daniels obviously is not
30:43
Speaker 1: coming out of nowhere, but the consensus has been Caleb
30:45
Speaker 1: Williams and Drake May Jade and Daniels at number two
30:49
Speaker 1: at plus one point fifty, take a piece of it.
30:54
Speaker 2: I'm already there with you where I bet it where
30:56
Speaker 2: we'll see, right, there's always there's always to be a shift,
30:59
Speaker 2: or after the combine or after their pro day, we'll
31:01
Speaker 2: really kind of know, right, that's when numbers really start shifting.
31:04
Speaker 2: But like I feel like you're saying one exactly what
31:06
Speaker 2: I'm thinking here. It's like, you know, I don't think
31:09
Speaker 2: they're that far apart as the media is making them
31:10
Speaker 2: out to me. I could easily see Daniels being minus
31:13
Speaker 2: one fifty this time next week. So, like you said,
31:16
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get ahead of it. Obviously, can't
31:18
Speaker 2: get that much money down on it, but happy to
31:20
Speaker 2: grab the plus one twenty five plus one fifty if
31:22
Speaker 2: you can find it.
31:23
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network says the Commanders should take Drake
31:27
Speaker 1: May number two. Merril Hodge, who famously said he wouldn't
31:31
Speaker 1: even take Johnny Manziel I think in the first couple
31:35
Speaker 1: of rounds, says he wouldn't take Drake May in the
31:39
Speaker 1: first round. So that's where we are at this point.
31:43
Speaker 1: That's aggressive no draft evaluation.
31:46
Speaker 2: And Joe Klatt, who I really respect, he is very
31:52
Speaker 2: high on Drake May and he talked about it there
31:57
Speaker 2: being a big gap between him and Daniels, and I
32:00
Speaker 2: just have not seen it when I've broken down the
32:02
Speaker 2: film where it's like Daniels clearly gets better when he
32:05
Speaker 2: is good coaching, and that's what happened this past season.
32:08
Speaker 2: He took a big step. So yeah, just for me,
32:11
Speaker 2: I think he's a better fit for Washington because of
32:14
Speaker 2: their offensive line struggles that I think he would have
32:16
Speaker 2: a better time step in with Drake May. I could
32:18
Speaker 2: just see him get eaten a lot of the NFC
32:20
Speaker 2: East not being able to move around. I mean, he
32:22
Speaker 2: does have wheels, but I've seen nothing close to Daniels.
32:25
Speaker 1: Jadane Daniels number two plus one fifty Simon, can you
32:28
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33:17
Speaker 1: all right. Franchise tagging not tagging has begun. No franchise
33:26
Speaker 1: tags for a bevy of running backs. Saquon no franchise tag,
33:33
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, no franchise tag, Tony Poler, no franchise tag,
33:37
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, no franchise tag, Derek Henry. No franchise tag.
33:43
Speaker 1: The franchise tag that does make some noise. T Higgins
33:47
Speaker 1: getting franchise tagged by Cincy. I'll make a statement right now, Simon.
33:56
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals consensus fourteen fifteen to one to win the
34:00
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The Cincinnati Bengals are the biggest threat to
34:05
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC and to their
34:09
Speaker 1: dominance and to their chance to repeat in twenty twenty four.
34:15
Speaker 2: Love it, love it at that number as well. So
34:18
Speaker 2: we talked about it last week. They're just this is
34:20
Speaker 2: this is this season for them. Everything everything is lined
34:23
Speaker 2: up perfectly for them. They have the last place schedule,
34:27
Speaker 2: they have all the players still as if you know,
34:30
Speaker 2: Joe Brow hasn't been paid yet. Now they just got
34:32
Speaker 2: a thirty million bump in the Caps. It's just it's
34:35
Speaker 2: all lined up for this Bengals team. And we believe,
34:37
Speaker 2: you know, even last year when they had a backup,
34:39
Speaker 2: they still finished with a winning record. Like clearly they
34:41
Speaker 2: have good coaching and despite tons of injuries, like you said,
34:45
Speaker 2: to the defensive side, they still had a winning record.
34:47
Speaker 2: So it's clearly a team that plays hard, knows how
34:50
Speaker 2: to be coached up right, and you know the fact
34:52
Speaker 2: that we're getting them in a little bit of a discount.
34:55
Speaker 2: It feels like, right, if Joe didn't get hurt, and
34:57
Speaker 2: if you want a playoff game, what would they be
35:00
Speaker 2: nine to one, ten to one. So it goes a
35:01
Speaker 2: we again, an extra plus five hundred year just because
35:04
Speaker 2: Joe's coming off an injury, which you know, he says
35:07
Speaker 2: he's good to go right now, like he's been working
35:08
Speaker 2: out full bore, so he clearly bounced back from that injury.
35:12
Speaker 2: They'd take him the whole off season.
35:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of doesn't make sense to me. We're
35:16
Speaker 1: looking at the Chiefs obviously right behind the Niners. I'm
35:19
Speaker 1: looking at it right now about six to one, Niners
35:22
Speaker 1: five to one, Ravens nine to one, Bills ten to one,
35:27
Speaker 1: and then the Bengals at fourteen to one, fifteen to one.
35:31
Speaker 1: This is the same team that a season ago we
35:34
Speaker 1: were talking about owning Patrick Mahomes, right, and they had
35:40
Speaker 1: a defense with lou Anarumo that is clearly knows how
35:45
Speaker 1: to match up with the Chiefs. It's the only defense
35:48
Speaker 1: that has consistently been able to match up and confound
35:53
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow is the quarterback who can
35:56
Speaker 1: beat him. He does not blink in these and they
36:01
Speaker 1: just had a down year. They all got hurt, and
36:04
Speaker 1: there's such recency bias in the NFL that you kind
36:07
Speaker 1: of forget about that, and all of a sudden, like
36:10
Speaker 1: they're the team that's been dropping. That last play schedule
36:14
Speaker 1: thing is a big deal, a really big deal when
36:16
Speaker 1: you're playing when you're a team that could have won
36:18
Speaker 1: the AFC North, which is the best division of football,
36:21
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're playing the teams that
36:24
Speaker 1: ended up the worst in football. That's a game changer
36:27
Speaker 1: for me. They're going to be an interesting team to
36:29
Speaker 1: make a lot of futures bets on as we get
36:32
Speaker 1: closer to the year.
36:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it all works out as well, where like
36:38
Speaker 2: you said, they match up really well against this Chiefs
36:40
Speaker 2: team historically, like since Joe's coming to the league, he's
36:43
Speaker 2: played him better than any other quarterback on football. And
36:46
Speaker 2: you know, they're not scared of them. A lot of
36:47
Speaker 2: teams in that division, especially the Conference AFC, they're scared
36:51
Speaker 2: of that team, and this team is not. They have
36:53
Speaker 2: the swagger for it. So yeah, the last play schedule chat,
36:56
Speaker 2: like you said, it's a big deal when you get
36:57
Speaker 2: to play New England and Tennessee rather than playing the
37:02
Speaker 2: top tier teams. But I do think their odds chat
37:04
Speaker 2: are low, lower than they should be just because of
37:06
Speaker 2: their division, right, Like that's a They're in such a
37:09
Speaker 2: hard division, that's why it is what it is. But
37:12
Speaker 2: we saw these last couple of years. There was a
37:14
Speaker 2: reason they were the first repeat team in forever in
37:16
Speaker 2: this division. It's like they were really talented. We talked
37:20
Speaker 2: last season, you need so much luck to win divisions
37:24
Speaker 2: and football, right, just health is the biggest one, and
37:27
Speaker 2: we saw it last year. There was no it was
37:28
Speaker 2: all built in. The Bengals were a bad bet last
37:31
Speaker 2: year just because their value was so high. You're exactly
37:34
Speaker 2: right now now it's a nice by low spot, just
37:36
Speaker 2: like the Rams were. Like both these teams played each
37:38
Speaker 2: other in Super Bowl two years ago and last year
37:40
Speaker 2: people left the Rams were dead, which was stupid, and
37:43
Speaker 2: it feels like they're doing the same year with the Bengals.
37:45
Speaker 2: So I'm in complete agreeens when they ever they opened
37:47
Speaker 2: up the division odds. Finally, I'm definitely my first bets
37:50
Speaker 2: on MAKEU is the Bengals to win the North.
37:52
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Bengals right now, and don't forget.
37:56
Speaker 1: They beat the Seahawks, who at that time we're a
38:00
Speaker 1: team that was on the make. They beat the Rams,
38:04
Speaker 1: they beat the Bills, they beat the Niners, like they
38:10
Speaker 1: barely lost to the Texans in a game they should
38:13
Speaker 1: have won. They beat the Jags, they beat the Vikings,
38:19
Speaker 1: they beat the Colts, like, come on.
38:23
Speaker 2: No, they're a good team. And it's what we always
38:27
Speaker 2: talk about. We're trying to buy a lot on teams
38:30
Speaker 2: that people just aren't looking at anymore because they're not
38:32
Speaker 2: the sexy team from last year. And that's what usually
38:35
Speaker 2: people do, right They bet off what they remember happening
38:37
Speaker 2: at the end of towards last season. So yeah, I
38:40
Speaker 2: bet you buy September. This is probably down at twelve
38:43
Speaker 2: to one.
38:44
Speaker 1: Well, time to buy it now. Then it's not going
38:46
Speaker 1: to get It's not going to get like longer. You know,
38:51
Speaker 1: they're not going to go from fifteen to one to
38:52
Speaker 1: twenty one. So if you like it, you might as
38:54
Speaker 1: well buy it now. In fact, I'm going to today
38:58
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm going to do. Last week we talked
39:01
Speaker 1: a little bit about it. I feel like we're doing
39:03
Speaker 1: exactly what I just said, which is all of a sudden,
39:07
Speaker 1: we've convinced ourselves it's the Cincinnati Bengals are the Jaden
39:10
Speaker 1: Daniels of the twenty twenty four NFL season, and we're
39:14
Speaker 1: seeing something right now nobody else is seeing. We are
39:17
Speaker 1: blind to any faults or any consequences. That's what we're doing.
39:22
Speaker 2: I mean, pros have been talking about this. I think
39:25
Speaker 2: a lot of pros. The first thing they look at
39:27
Speaker 2: at what teams came in last place in their division. Honestly,
39:30
Speaker 2: that's one of the first things I go to when
39:32
Speaker 2: the regular season ends. It's like, how do we project
39:34
Speaker 2: down and envision these teams next following season? Are we
39:37
Speaker 2: getting good value? And you know, people remember I was
39:40
Speaker 2: way too high on the Bears, but I was equally
39:43
Speaker 2: way too high in the Rams, Like I was all
39:45
Speaker 2: in on them just because I realized they were playing
39:47
Speaker 2: a last place schedule and they had an incredible quarterback.
39:51
Speaker 2: And we talk all the time of football, if you
39:52
Speaker 2: get an easy schedule with the right quarterback's it really
39:56
Speaker 2: is that simple sometimes, like it really is all about
39:58
Speaker 2: the matchups, and that that's why the fourth place schedule
40:00
Speaker 2: is such a big team because you're not playing against
40:02
Speaker 2: these incredible stud quarterbacks. You're usually playing against journeymen or
40:06
Speaker 2: first or second year qbs here. So we talk all
40:09
Speaker 2: the time, what's the first things I look for that
40:12
Speaker 2: it's the right there. I'm always looking for these teams
40:13
Speaker 2: that came and fourth, that we know they have a
40:15
Speaker 2: ton of talent, they just had a bunch of injuries
40:17
Speaker 2: the year before. The Bengals jump right out. I mean,
40:20
Speaker 2: rarely do I get to bet on a team that
40:22
Speaker 2: came a fourth in the division that had a winning record.
40:24
Speaker 2: This might be the first time ever. So yeah, definitely interesting.
40:27
Speaker 2: We're saying we're buying loan a nine to eighteen.
40:30
Speaker 1: It's almost unfair to call them the last place team,
40:32
Speaker 1: to be honest, it really is. It's silly. Can any
40:36
Speaker 1: of these running backs make a difference for anybody? Is
40:40
Speaker 1: there any team right now that is a good running
40:45
Speaker 1: game away, a consistent running game away from taking that
40:49
Speaker 1: next step?
40:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, Houston would be great if they
40:53
Speaker 2: got Barkley. But it's just we're not getting the McCaffrey
40:59
Speaker 2: with you know, one of the greatest running back minds
41:02
Speaker 2: in Shanahan. Like, it's just it's a devalued position. I
41:07
Speaker 2: talk all the time about this that the smartest teams
41:11
Speaker 2: who are ahead of the curve were the teams that
41:14
Speaker 2: realized how devalued the running back position was and barely
41:19
Speaker 2: put any money into the position. And those are the
41:21
Speaker 2: teams that has really worked out for over the couple,
41:24
Speaker 2: you know, ten to fifteen years. So I don't know,
41:29
Speaker 2: chaed Like, I'm looking at these free agents and yeah,
41:32
Speaker 2: they're all really talented, but you know, there's a couple
41:34
Speaker 2: of guys come out of draft that are pretty good
41:36
Speaker 2: as well, and you can pay them one fifth or
41:39
Speaker 2: one one third of what these guys are going to
41:42
Speaker 2: make top market. I mean, Barkley's gonna be out of
41:44
Speaker 2: the sport how much he's going to ask for. So yeah,
41:47
Speaker 2: if the team like Houston is all that extra money
41:48
Speaker 2: laying around, I understand when they've gone and do it.
41:51
Speaker 2: I just we just see a time and time again.
41:53
Speaker 2: It's just there's so many talented guys out there you
41:56
Speaker 2: really don't need to I mean, most are you know
42:00
Speaker 2: who broke miami Is rushing touchdown record last year? You
42:03
Speaker 2: could have got him for a couple of dollars. They
42:05
Speaker 2: were trying to trade him before the season started. So
42:08
Speaker 2: that's my issue. It's like there are front names that
42:11
Speaker 2: all these guys have had excellent years, and no doubt
42:15
Speaker 2: Barkley's still in his prime right now. He's still a
42:17
Speaker 2: great running back. It's just my GM mindset and how
42:21
Speaker 2: I manage money. I just would never pay him what
42:22
Speaker 2: he's looking for. It's just not worth a ten any team.
42:24
Speaker 2: But for any team he would be an up huge
42:26
Speaker 2: upgrade too. Definitely Houston, like he's incredible out of the
42:29
Speaker 2: back of what everything he does is so good. So yeah,
42:32
Speaker 2: that's a fun idea. But no, no running backs even
42:35
Speaker 2: like people are like, oh, don't you want the Eagles
42:36
Speaker 2: to get Derrick Henry. He does nothing for him. My
42:39
Speaker 2: offensive line can't block. The guy needs to get blockers
42:41
Speaker 2: to get the legs moving. So yeah, this running back
42:45
Speaker 2: classic really doesn't do much for me.
42:46
Speaker 1: And even the teams that could potentially be looking for
42:51
Speaker 1: a running back, say the Ravens right who had running
42:56
Speaker 1: back by committee and don't.
42:57
Speaker 2: Have no money.
42:58
Speaker 1: They don't have the money, Cowboys don't have the money,
43:01
Speaker 1: The Chargers don't have the money. Like teams that are
43:05
Speaker 1: theoretically close have almost no cap space from less than
43:11
Speaker 1: ten million to negative twenty five million on the Chargers. Like,
43:15
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting spot for some of these guys.
43:17
Speaker 1: They're not going to find a market that is hospitable
43:21
Speaker 1: to paying them what they think they're worth.
43:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like and if we're playing mad and yeah, Barkley
43:28
Speaker 2: to the Ravens is really fun, great idea. In real life,
43:31
Speaker 2: it'd be really stupid for them. They've had one of
43:34
Speaker 2: the best running back groups for years with guys like
43:37
Speaker 2: the Gus bus Like Gus Edwards, they made him do
43:40
Speaker 2: a good running back like they don't They're just a
43:41
Speaker 2: team that doesn't really need to do that. So yeah,
43:45
Speaker 2: the Ravens, they're about that to pay a bunch of
43:48
Speaker 2: guys on their defensive side. They don't have the money
43:49
Speaker 2: really be spending at their running back position. So yeah,
43:52
Speaker 2: they're in a tough spot the Ravens at that Barkley
43:54
Speaker 2: would be if they did it, would that would be
43:56
Speaker 2: really fun him and Lamar sharing a backfield together. I
43:59
Speaker 2: would love that, But money wise, I don't see how
44:01
Speaker 2: they make it work.
44:02
Speaker 1: By the way, maybe if the Ravens had given Gus
44:04
Speaker 1: ed Was the ball two more times, they might have
44:09
Speaker 1: advanced in the playoffs instead of going home early and
44:12
Speaker 1: being disappointed and ruining Lamar Jackson's MVP season. And also
44:16
Speaker 1: we would have won our Lamar Jackson over forty one
44:20
Speaker 1: and a half rushing yards in that game.
44:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gudge. If they're paying Bartley fifteen million dollars
44:25
Speaker 2: and he gets three touches in the AFC Championship game,
44:29
Speaker 2: I think people would be losing their.
44:31
Speaker 1: Minds, losing their minds. We were losing our minds when
44:34
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards wasn't getting the ball a second time and
44:37
Speaker 1: we had over forty and a half rushing yards or
44:39
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Speaker 1: we're talking a little bit about betting draft markets here.
46:06
Speaker 1: We talked about Jayden Daniels at plus one fifty. Give
46:09
Speaker 1: me your take right now I'm betting the draft and
46:11
Speaker 1: how it's changed in recent years. Are there more markets,
46:14
Speaker 1: are they more operators the stuff available earlier? Give me
46:20
Speaker 1: your take on how it's all changed as betting has exploded.
46:25
Speaker 2: Definitely gotten easier about on the draft because there's so
46:27
Speaker 2: many more books taking money on the draft. But usually
46:32
Speaker 2: you know, the only thing they're gonna let you bet
46:33
Speaker 2: on in December, January, February, Like now is the quarterback position,
46:38
Speaker 2: Like the first couple picks, there's a couple of quarterbacks though.
46:41
Speaker 2: They're happy to take money on that stuff because people
46:43
Speaker 2: like betting quarterbacks and it's fun. You know that year
46:47
Speaker 2: we had with Kenny Pickett and all those guys, you know, Ritter, Like,
46:53
Speaker 2: the books weren't taking anything on the draft, it felt
46:56
Speaker 2: like at all until February, and that was because you know,
47:00
Speaker 2: I think Aiden Hutchinson was the guy that was really
47:02
Speaker 2: being bet to be the number one pick and yet
47:04
Speaker 2: not even being the number one pick. So yeah, the
47:06
Speaker 2: books just don't want a ton of exposure. Yeah, the draft,
47:13
Speaker 2: not that I think it's ever going to die out,
47:15
Speaker 2: but I always think will be what it is now,
47:17
Speaker 2: which is they're just not going to take a lot
47:19
Speaker 2: of bets. Like for me to get a ton of
47:21
Speaker 2: money down, I had to bet almost every day at
47:24
Speaker 2: multiple different books just to get a nice amount down
47:27
Speaker 2: on the draft. So that's what I'll bet Now, I'll
47:30
Speaker 2: bet rumors I'm here and try to get ahead of
47:33
Speaker 2: the general public and the books without bringing too much
47:35
Speaker 2: attention to myself. So you know, that's that's one of
47:39
Speaker 2: the harder things to do at this time here. You
47:40
Speaker 2: just don't want the book to know that you have
47:42
Speaker 2: an edge and get caught in a bet. But yeah,
47:46
Speaker 2: for right now, I can't really do much other than
47:48
Speaker 2: betting the quarterbacks what we talked about. So, yeah, Daniels,
47:51
Speaker 2: I've taken a position on him to be the number
47:53
Speaker 2: two quarterback. Could have that on my face in a
47:56
Speaker 2: week from now, where you know, Drake may test out
47:59
Speaker 2: and he incredible in shorts. Teams can talk to themselves
48:03
Speaker 2: into that stuff. So that's that's the fun thing about
48:06
Speaker 2: this draft is I do think, you know, more and
48:12
Speaker 2: more people are gonna start coming around on Daniels as
48:14
Speaker 2: we get closer to the draft because the things I've
48:17
Speaker 2: seen from Drake may like guys they talked to scout's
48:19
Speaker 2: in the league, they think he has a slow release
48:22
Speaker 2: and that he's got to change his release. That's a
48:24
Speaker 2: big deal. Like those guys I know he's working with.
48:27
Speaker 2: I believe Philip Rivers and a couple other guys right
48:29
Speaker 2: now who have unique styles of throwing. Right, remember how
48:32
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers had that weird throw. Yeah, he had a quick,
48:34
Speaker 2: gass release. Though, like it was just a along gate.
48:36
Speaker 2: It took him a long time to get there, but
48:38
Speaker 2: once he got his arm up, it was a quick release.
48:40
Speaker 2: That's why they never made him change it. No way
48:43
Speaker 2: in the NFL with a team ever allow another Philip Rivers.
48:46
Speaker 2: No one had ever let someone to throw the ball
48:48
Speaker 2: the way he threw it that style. It's all become
48:50
Speaker 2: very robotic. So yeah, if he works with the guy
48:54
Speaker 2: this offseason, they fix it before his Pro Day, or
48:58
Speaker 2: him thrown the combine this week, he could easily lock
49:01
Speaker 2: him into be the number two thing. But the Washington
49:05
Speaker 2: I think I think they might. There's a path for them.
49:08
Speaker 2: Fun in love with Daniels and that's why we've seen
49:09
Speaker 2: this number come down so much. Jed. So, Yeah, this
49:14
Speaker 2: this draft is really fun just because we do have
49:16
Speaker 2: so many quarterbacks to talk about. Like you even like
49:18
Speaker 2: the JJ McCarthy thing. He's a huge sleeper that the
49:21
Speaker 2: Patriots could take him at number three and I wouldn't
49:24
Speaker 2: all be that shocked just because people do love him.
49:26
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have that many throws on tape. So
49:30
Speaker 2: that's what makes these drafts so fun is when we
49:31
Speaker 2: have quarterback drafts like this, like the worst drafts ever,
49:34
Speaker 2: or when we're talking about Aden Hutchinson for two months
49:36
Speaker 2: Jed So, I love this. I love breaking down film,
49:40
Speaker 2: especially a class like this where you got guys who
49:42
Speaker 2: have played, you know, fifty games in college, which is
49:45
Speaker 2: very rare nowadays. It's just been really fun breaking all
49:48
Speaker 2: these guys down.
49:49
Speaker 1: How do we manage for the next couple of weeks
49:52
Speaker 1: until free agency comes? Between now and then, what should
49:58
Speaker 1: we be doing right now? What should people listening be
50:01
Speaker 1: doing right now to take advantage? Are we betting rumors?
50:05
Speaker 1: Is it small tastes? How do we manage these next
50:08
Speaker 1: two weeks?
50:09
Speaker 2: You can, like I said, combine is when we really
50:11
Speaker 2: start getting ramped up here. Me personally, I will do
50:16
Speaker 2: all the same things you guys can all do, which
50:18
Speaker 2: is listen to all the different podcasts, listen to all
50:20
Speaker 2: their draft people, you do trust, break things down, you
50:24
Speaker 2: know ESPN. I'm not here at Badmouth, and I like
50:28
Speaker 2: mel I really like Todd McShay, and Todd's moved on.
50:31
Speaker 2: I believe he's doing stuff now with Ryan Rissillo. That's
50:34
Speaker 2: a guy who I'm gonna be loyal to, and I'll
50:35
Speaker 2: probably move with him. I will keep listening Todd McShay
50:38
Speaker 2: because I do trust Todd mcshay's context. I think people
50:41
Speaker 2: in media he is really good at what he does.
50:43
Speaker 2: So that's something to be wary of of. There are
50:46
Speaker 2: some people who are just storytellers and they're just having
50:48
Speaker 2: fun in media talking about the draft, and there's other
50:50
Speaker 2: guys who really do put in the legwork, make the calls,
50:53
Speaker 2: and they're finding out what these teams are gonna do.
50:55
Speaker 2: That is a big advantage. So yeah, for everyone, I
50:58
Speaker 2: just say be a sponge and if you're addicted to
51:00
Speaker 2: this stuff, like I love the draft and all the
51:02
Speaker 2: numbers and stuff, just soak it all in and then
51:04
Speaker 2: at the end of the day you are forming your
51:06
Speaker 2: own opinion. Right, I'm not always gonna be right. I
51:08
Speaker 2: was way wrong on my opinion on Bryce Young. I
51:11
Speaker 2: just never saw him being the first pick overall. That
51:14
Speaker 2: was just me having a different view of clearly the
51:17
Speaker 2: owner of the Carolina Panthers. So that's something always be
51:20
Speaker 2: wary of of. Just because you think Drake may is
51:24
Speaker 2: by far the best court there is a better quarterback
51:26
Speaker 2: than Daniels, doesn't mean the Washington A lot of other
51:29
Speaker 2: scouts like myself are going to agree with that. So
51:32
Speaker 2: that is something where you can't just be so defined
51:34
Speaker 2: in your own opinion. Something I regret from last year
51:37
Speaker 2: I which I wasn't so dug in on my Bryce
51:39
Speaker 2: Young opinion. I should have been more flexible. So this year,
51:42
Speaker 2: I do love Daniels, but it's not so much I'm indifferent.
51:47
Speaker 2: If they take May great if they take Daniels. I
51:49
Speaker 2: don't think Washington can make a wrong decision here, but
51:52
Speaker 2: in five years from now, we'll judge them as if
51:54
Speaker 2: they did make a wrong decision. That's that's the tough part.
51:57
Speaker 1: So when we were at the Super Bowl, there was
51:59
Speaker 1: a dinner one and I was like, I don't know,
52:03
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty people and it was very It
52:06
Speaker 1: was a small room, like it was an intimate thing,
52:09
Speaker 1: and David Tepper happened to be there, and you know,
52:15
Speaker 1: I was within the way the crowd was set up.
52:19
Speaker 1: You could easily go up to anybody, talk to anybody
52:22
Speaker 1: at any time. It was a lot of floating and
52:24
Speaker 1: like my table happened to be one table over from his,
52:29
Speaker 1: And all I want to do is say grace. You know, really,
52:34
Speaker 1: that's that's what you're taking your franchise on. I didn't
52:37
Speaker 1: do it. I didn't feel like the time now.
52:40
Speaker 2: With a cycle like that, he would have probably grabbed
52:42
Speaker 2: you by the neck in front of everyone, the guys exactly.
52:45
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make a scene, yeah, Simon, I
52:49
Speaker 1: was just happy to be there. I didn't want to
52:50
Speaker 1: be the guy getting kicked out and not came invited again.
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