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Drivers Only: Episode 2 with Mark Winterbottom, David Reynolds and Cam Waters · Rusty's Garage

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A listener production.
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G'day everybody, Rusty here.
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Welcome to another edition of Drivers Only, a brand new pod that we've added to the garage, offering a project that Southern Cross Osterio is proudly doing in conjunction with Supercars.
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We released our first ep recently in the run-up to the Townsville round.
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If you haven't heard that yet, check it out when you finish listening to today's episode.
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You can get Drivers Only via the free listener app, all your usual pod outlets, and via the Supercars YouTube channel.
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Tell your mates about it too, please.
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As the name suggests, it's drivers only.
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Their thoughts and words on all sorts of topics happening in the sport as we gear up for the Sydney Motorsport Park Round, which is always epic.
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So I'm going to shut up.
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I'll hand the reins over to Cam Waters, who joined us on the short cast recently after his NASCAR appearance in California.
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Mark Winterbottom is on the panel today too.
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fitting he grew up right near smsp and my maniac mate david reynolds is back on the mic who knows where this will go enjoy the latest edition of drivers only
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Hello guys, welcome to episode two of Drivers Only.
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I've been called in, it's only 15 minutes from home, so I couldn't say no.
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Davey Reynolds is back, and we've got a mute button for Davey, just in case he gets too out of hand.
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And the superstar, Mr. Cam Waters, who doesn't have a team uniform, but he's got an iron shirt.
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Oh no, he doesn't have an iron shirt.
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That's ironing itself with body heat.
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Oh really?
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Yeah.
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Body iron.
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Well, we went... We like his shirt.
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We went... You're good at this.
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We'll talk about Townsville, right?
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Because that's the last race that we did.
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We might as well start with Cam because he was a rock star.
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Yeah.
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You won the Saturday.
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Won the Saturday.
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Won practice.
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You won practice.
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Both practices.
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Both practices.
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You won pole.
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It was a good weekend.
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Really good weekend.
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Pole position.
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Was it two poles or one?
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One.
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One.
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Just missed out on Sunday.
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It was like .001 or something to LeBrock.
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You suck.
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You should have shaved your head.
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If you shaved his head.
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I know.
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If he pissed.
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Yeah.
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There's that.
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Bit of weight.
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Bit of weight.
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That cost me.
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Yeah.
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So what are you going to do different?
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I'm going to go to the toilet in Sydney before every session.
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It's such a good weekend.
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Tell me.
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Well, we had a really good Perth.
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Then we sucked in Darwin and then kind of worked out what we did between the two and what have been good and bad this year.
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Tell me.
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What'd you do?
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Exactly.
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What front spring?
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It's all secrets.
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It's all secrets.
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We just rolled out of the truck and it was super fast.
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From the first lap in practice, you kind of know if you're on or not right.
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You do, yes.
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And things felt like a bit of a jet and probably made it a little bit better through practice as well.
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Yeah.
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From that point, I just kind of hoped the weekend was going to keep rolling, right?
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And yeah, cool to obviously get the pole Saturday and the win on Saturday.
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That was a mega race.
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I had so much fun, all the battles and stuff up the front, the bit of rain and whatnot.
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And yeah, Sunday, we're still pacey, just got beaten by probably a bit quicker strategy.
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You didn't take each other out either.
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Why are you looking at me?
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No, no.
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Chaz and I.
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Him and Chaz, yeah.
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We've grown up.
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I thought there was two easy positions when I saw him on the big screen.
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I was going to move forward two straight away.
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Yeah.
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No, we actually raced pretty good together.
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It was pretty surprising, to be honest.
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Could change.
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Could you see Will Brown coming?
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And was your team telling you that he was coming?
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Because obviously when you fight each other, you go slower.
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Yeah, so that middle stint, I caught Chas towards the end and the gap to Davison was like seven seconds when we started it.
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And then by the end of the...
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He's on you.
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He passed you.
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He was on to us.
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I'm like, what is going on, guys?
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And then, yeah, the last stint, similar thing with Will Brown.
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I knew he was coming but had...
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Had probably a bit more car speed in that last stint, a bit more tyre over Chas, so tried to get it done a bit sooner.
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And, yeah, I knew Will had to pass a few cars as well.
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I don't know how.
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We struggled.
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When we followed cars, we struggled massively.
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Really?
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But then when you were following Chas...
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I was struggling by myself too.
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You just struggled through life, mate.
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But you guys could pass and still truck on.
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It was pretty impressive, wasn't it?
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I thought it was one of the best races too that we've seen for a long time.
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Yeah, my car was unreal.
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It was really good.
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So I could race and I didn't really drop off any pace after I passed someone where Darwin, it was the opposite.
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I'd get behind someone and I'd just start going slow.
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Yeah, just blew the tyres off.
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I think it was a temperature thing.
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Blew everything off.
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We had that.
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We have that.
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When it rained though, like.
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My car got better.
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Did it?
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Yeah, it's like it cooled the tire down and away I went.
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It was awesome.
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We struggled, didn't we?
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When it rained a bit, like the tire was already.
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On the limit.
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On the limit.
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We were on the limit.
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Yeah.
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And then the tire made it worse.
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Did you have any moments in the wet?
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Nah, it was all pretty tame.
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Oh, okay.
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I don't know about you.
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Righto, mate.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Nah, nah.
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I had plenty, but yeah, not Dave.
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Maybe you weren't trying hard enough.
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Probably wasn't trying hard enough.
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Um, yeah.
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Yeah, how were your weekends?
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Yeah, not very good.
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We rode out of the truck pretty average.
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Struggled for a lot of drive and didn't make it any better.
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You had a motor issue or something?
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Yeah, my motor sort of packed it in on Friday.
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We didn't work it out until Friday night.
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Yeah, cracked a cylinder head or something like that.
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Oh, right.
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Or cracked a piston.
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You got out of rides.
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Yeah, I got out of the last ride.
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You did three rides and then parked it.
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So I pulled the button off at pit lane and then smoked, pissed out, and I was like, oh.
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A few big, like, overrevs, make sure she was going properly?
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No, I didn't know.
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I didn't know the whole rule if, you know, if you've got a weak engine, you're actually supposed to make it blow up.
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Yeah.
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Finish it.
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Then you get a new one.
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It's not out of your, like, allocation or something like that.
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I think I just gave away a trade secret.
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I think we're all onto it, mate.
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I think you're all onto it anyway.
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And what about like...
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But yeah, like we rode out of the truck and had no drive, hey.
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And we were watching your car.
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Braking was a big issue too.
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It was braking and drive.
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We all sucked at it.
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Well, I sucked at it anyway.
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And the guys, we tried everything.
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Everything we could try still didn't make a difference.
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So whatever was inherent in our car, we just couldn't fix it.
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Yeah, right.
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So we're watching your car in the shootout.
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And I was like...
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We always sit down and watch the shootout as a team regardless.
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And it's like, I want my car to do that.
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I want it to do that.
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Yeah.
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We just still couldn't make it any better.
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There was one point you had good drive though, when you drove right up to the back of Will Brown.
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I thought that was... No, I wasn't deciding.
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You had really good drive at it too.
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Yeah.
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You just passed him.
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Your drive was unbelievable.
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So we started like 16th and 17th on the grid, and all year he's been hosing me off the start.
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And we actually got first time in ages.
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We were side by side.
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We had a drag race down to the bridge.
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Like that was the actual race.
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in our team.
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That was a pinchless.
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We're going.
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And it was pretty much a dead heat.
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It was identical.
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Dead heat.
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Was it?
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A complete dead heat.
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There was no, it was a dead, dead heat zero to 100 times.
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So what's the guy who took Will Brown out?
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Well, I didn't take him out per se.
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Like he took himself out.
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He said it was your fault.
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Well, no, he didn't.
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So what happened was, where did he start?
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Just in front of us.
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Or behind us?
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No, he was behind us.
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He was behind us.
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Yep.
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And we're going into one.
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He was on...
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Someone hit me and then I ran a bit wide through one, so he got the cutback and got past me.
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But he said he thought he had enough drive to clear me, but I wasn't.
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I was just hanging on the edge.
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And Mark was on the inside.
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Will was in the middle.
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He was the...
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the meat and the sandwich.
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And I was on the outside, the other piece of bread, and we're going down to turn three.
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And I was like half there, and Will didn't see me.
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He just come across and then...
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So you started behind you.
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You said you had the best start ever.
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No, I didn't have the best start.
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We had the same start.
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Oh, so you both had bad starts.
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We both had the same.
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To be fair, I think we were looking at each other so much.
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Wondering who won, going through two.
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I was only concentrating on people around me.
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And we're like, hey.
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But then we, yeah.
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We got him.
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We got him.
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I got to the bridge and I thought I won.
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I was like fist pumping him.
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It was so funny.
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So you're a championship contender now.
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Oh, that's a big call, mate.
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What's your limit?
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How was your weekend?
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You were fast in practice.
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You were in the press conference.
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Yeah, I was in the conference with you.
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Anyway, not about our weekends.
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What do you reckon about the new car?
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You reckon it's easier to race?
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Because that race...
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The new car.
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Yeah, like the Gen 3 car versus... Yeah, I think you can follow a lot closer.
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Because that race on Saturday, like, we do sometimes got criticism for...
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for racing, but that's one of the best races we've seen for a long time.
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You can follow better.
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100%.
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You're probably half the gap to what the old car would be to this car, I think, which helps being able to break and outbrake someone or lunge someone.
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I think still probably a little bit of tyre stuff we need to work on.
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Like what?
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Like Darwin, it was just all so sensitive to heat.
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I couldn't pass anyone there, but then you go to Townsville and it's not as hot.
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A little bit cooler.
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Corner-specific too.
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Corner-specific and, you know, you could race awesome.
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So, I think, yeah, probably one of the best racers in the Gen 3 era.
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What do you guys think?
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Well, I think they're still improving it.
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Like, I think last year the brakes were an issue, but that's… That seems to be fixed.
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It's a lot better, yeah.
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So, good, really good technical director there last year.
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Is that good that we pinched him?
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Right.
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So you got all the secrets.
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And then we lost Teddy.
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You lost Teddy from Tickford.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Teddy's doing good in supercars.
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I'm rating him.
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What do you guys think?
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Have you gone a lot better since he's gone, man?
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Yeah, I was just thinking that.
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All the secrets, you reckon?
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Does he wear a temperature under that watch?
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Well, I've actually been up and down a lot.
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So he hasn't been helping us a lot, if he has been.
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It's just one of those years, it's so hard.
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You turn up every weekend and you don't know how you're going to go, how you're going to roll out of the truck.
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It's so hard, isn't it?
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How are you going to go the next round?
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The cars are just so sensitive, right?
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They're super sensitive, and there's still heaps of variation in them, so everyone can get lost engineering-wise, and there's so many variations within setup that, you know, you can have a car that does things a lot different to the Loki racing, but you achieve the same lap time.
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It's quite cool.
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Yeah, everyone was thinking, you know, these new cars are going to be like a Porsche, right, where everyone's got the same and end up at the same setups, but...
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It's nearly like the opposite at the moment.
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I think the cars are so sensitive.
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You have some teams nail it one weekend and then nowhere the next.
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It's actually quite interesting how up and down it's been with them.
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I still think we need some small variation between not as in different tires or anything, but just like a DRS system.
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I think that would be really easy to make, really easy to implement, and promote passing.
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It would just promote more passing and promote more chaos.
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People want to watch chaos.
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They don't want to watch.
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We just come out of a weekend.
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I think it was like 61 passes for a race.
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Like that's incredible.
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Yeah, but that's one race in how long?
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You did 60 of them.
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Yeah, but that's one race in how many races we had.
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But in Brazil, they run a throttle map that runs at 70% flat out, like when you're cruising around and has pushed a pass button.
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And it's actually, it's artificial, but it's...
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It's actually really cool because what you do, it's strategic as well as where you pass someone.
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There's a two-minute delay and you only get a certain amount of pushes per race.
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I'm already confused.
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Per race.
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I like that idea.
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I prefer that.
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So when you're following someone, you can't use it on a restart.
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So there's certain criteria that they hit.
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But if you press it out of a corner, say Interlagos, the last corner, you get it for, I think it was 15 seconds.
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You would go 20, 30 kilometers faster than the car.
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So you'd pass it.
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But then they could press the button and react on the next straight and pass down the next straight.
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But then it's two minutes stop time until you can press it again.
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So it's the same as NASCAR, isn't it?
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They've got a push-to-pass system.
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No.
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They don't.
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IndyCar does, doesn't it?
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IndyCar does, yeah.
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But it works really well.
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How was NASCAR anyway?
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It was awesome.
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The cars are probably pretty similar to the Gen 2 cars.
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Yeah, really?
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The weight, they're quite heavy.
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Yeah.
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Lots of power, big tire, not that much aero though.
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So they're pretty loose, but, you know, the braking was much the same as what we race here.
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So quite cool.
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I thought they had really small brakes.
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What about the H pattern?
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That was sequential.
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Oh, sequential.
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Yeah, so the truck was a H pattern, but the cup car is sequential.
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Same box as what we run, but it was a five-speed.
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We had no gear cut, so you got to lift off the throttle.
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So it was cool.
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The racing over there was probably the biggest thing, like...
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There's no rules.
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You can bump someone or move someone out the way, but there's a level of respect amongst the drivers.
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So if I hit you, I know you're going to probably hit me back.
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So you try and race cleanly, where if you're just holding me up, you'd probably expect to get moved out the way.
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So I thought that was quite cool how they race over there.
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You kind of expect that in our series, don't you?
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Yeah.
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Imagine if you were just white lining it for laps at a time.
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You're going to get drilled.
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You do that, but then you half expect a five-second penalty.
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So for me, that's probably the biggest thing.
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Do you think we need to be more relaxed on that side?
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Well, yeah.
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Talking, I guess, about our series, I think that would be awesome to implement.
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Just get rid of all the penalties and open it up.
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Just to hit this to kill list.
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You want chaos and carnage, Dave?
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That's probably the best way to do it, right?
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I'm for that because that's what I want to watch.
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It's an entertainment sport.
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It is.
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I think that could be a cool addition.
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What are you looking at me for?
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What are you drinking, mate?
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I'm drinking water and salt out of a jar.
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Everyone gives me shit about this.
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I think it's fantastic.
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It's just salt.
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Water and salt.
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Well, I'm not going to drive around with a cup, am I?
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This is my mobile device I use to drink water.
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If I drive around with a cup, it's going to spill everywhere and go everywhere.
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It's got a lid.
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What about the rest of the world, just a bottle of water?
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Well, there's plastic.
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I'm trying to avoid plastic.
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So back on racing, we're all hydrated over here.
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What would you pick?
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Car, track, event in the world?
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Where would we go?
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First of all, I reckon what about a supercar event with a wish list?
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And then what about a NASCAR event with a wish list with those cars?
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And then any car wish list?
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So if I was driving a supercar, I'd love to race in Macau.
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Have our series race in Macau.
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I reckon that'd be completely insane.
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That'd be unreal.
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Of course you're a gambler, though.
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I'm loving the American stuff at the moment.
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So I think doing the Chicago race in a supercar, that would be cool.
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Even Sonoma, what I did, that track was unreal.
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So much undulation and heaps of passing.
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I think our cars would be sick there.
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Other than that, I'd probably love to do Monaco.
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I don't think it would be that good racing-wise.
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What, in our cars?
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We would pass.
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In our cars.
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It would be better in our cars.
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It would be a lot better in our cars, but I reckon that would be unreal.
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Yeah, it would be.
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I don't know.
14:56
It'll never happen.
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Are you thinking about holiday destinations?
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Pretty much.
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Yeah, I'd love to check out Monaco.
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It's too expensive to go, so we'll go with the sport.
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100%.
15:05
Monaco's a pretty sleepy town.
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Is it?
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It's boring.
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Yeah.
15:09
What about you, Frosty?
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That's pretty cool, though.
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Oh, I like street racers.
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I reckon I'd like Chicago.
15:13
Bang Sen. Have you heard of Bang Sen?
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Who?
15:16
It's like a Thailand.
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Bang what?
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Bang Sen, I think it's called.
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It's like a Thailand street race.
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It's completely out of control.
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It's like Monaco, just Bang Sen. Be pretty cool.
15:26
What about Bansdale Street Grand Prix?
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Go-karts.
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The go-kart race.
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Yeah.
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You had a pretty good- We were talking about that the other day.
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I hit a hay bale there and it really hurt.
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Where was that?
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Bansdale Street Grand Prix.
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Did you do that?
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Didn't you hit something pretty
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Yeah, it wasn't an apex on that day, that's for sure.
15:41
Oh, that was great.
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Nearly came in half.
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Yeah, it was great.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Nearly lost your jewels, right?
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Yeah, tell us about it.
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Nearly.
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Didn't you feel like a warming sensation?
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That was pre-kids.
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Is that right?
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You felt like it was pre-kids, like a warming sensation?
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No.
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Warming?
15:54
No, it definitely wasn't a warming sensation.
15:56
I thought you felt like, because it cut the car pretty much weird.
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So it cut the car in half.
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which was an issue because the roll cages are quite thick, and it nicked the bottom of the seat.
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So it took like a big chunk out of the seat.
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So the seat's about 30 mil.
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I'm not 30 mil, Dave.
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But the seat's about 30 mil, and it took about 20 mil chunk out of it.
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So it was only about 10 mil between that grate and...
16:21
So it was just the grate that cut your car?
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Yeah.
16:24
So the grate stood up or something?
16:26
So in true workmanship, one guy did his job really well and one guy did his job really poorly.
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So he welded one end of the grate really well and the other guy must have been on smoker.
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He did a terrible job.
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So flung up, stuck in the welding bits that were done properly.
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And out of 34 cars back then, this is where odds are.
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percentages.
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33 cars got past it and the car ahead of me, who was John Bauer, flicked it up and I was the next car behind it.
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So out of 34 people, I was the...
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Anyway, so we went shopping on Sunday.
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We went to the markets.
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Because his car was done.
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It was done.
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It was like $200,000 worth of damage.
17:03
Oh, shit.
17:04
And then Larco kept that great in his office because he's like, this cost me $200,000.
17:08
He wasn't letting it go.
17:10
He put it in his office as a memento.
17:13
You walk in and...
17:14
There's the great.
17:15
What year was that?
17:16
Yeah.
17:17
2005 2005 Yeah, that was a really cool track That track was Yeah, that was really cool That long turn One corner That'd be terrible in our car It was so pushy But it was But the back straight was 300k It was so cool Yeah, right Really How many rounds have you done?
17:34
You'd be going on All-time high, wouldn't you?
17:36
I'm getting Passing Lowndes here, wouldn't you?
17:38
Getting there What's Lowndes?
17:40
I think he's 670 something 670 So what are you at?
17:45
630 or something?
17:46
So what round can you like take over his mantle?
17:49
Well, I don't know because he keeps doing Buddy Enduro, so it's killing him, isn't it?
17:52
Oh, yeah, he keeps getting like maybe two.
17:53
Pushing it out.
17:54
That's two a year.
17:55
Yeah.
17:55
Yeah, it just keeps coming back.
17:56
So it keeps like the benchmark keeps moving.
17:59
Question, guys, change of subject.
18:01
Who's impressed you this year?
18:03
Who's impressed me?
18:05
Myself.
18:06
Myself.
18:06
Why?
18:07
No one.
18:07
No one impresses me.
18:09
Who has, if I was to talk about something?
18:11
Maybe Ryan Wood.
18:12
I reckon he's actually done a good job.
18:14
Would he?
18:14
After he's like baptism of fire in the first round, he's actually done really good ever since then.
18:20
So, yeah.
18:20
He had a cool race with him in Perth.
18:22
When you think about the amount of limited experiences he has had, it is...
18:28
It's quite cool to watch someone so young come through the field, done like one year of DVS and then straight in the main series and then he's racing us and it feels like he's been doing it for years.
18:38
Yeah.
18:39
What are you, mate?
18:40
I reckon Matt Payne, like you obviously race with him.
18:42
Yeah, of course.
18:44
Yeah, he's in a good car, but he just seems unfazed.
18:48
He's one of those blokes that doesn't overthink anything.
18:50
He's half asleep, that's why.
18:51
He's half asleep.
18:52
He's half asleep.
18:53
But he's driving.
18:53
Well, he was supposed to be here, wasn't he?
18:55
Isn't that right?
18:57
Yeah, he was.
18:58
So I wonder what Matt Payne is doing right now.
19:00
He actually wants to play paddle ball.
19:02
Really?
19:02
He's been watching too much Monaco, but he wants to play some paddle ball.
19:06
There's a couple of courts under the Baldy Bridge, you know, like tennis, but the paddle ball tennis thing.
19:12
Yeah, anyway.
19:13
Who was the most funnest teammate you've had?
19:15
Funnest.
19:17
Still got him, mate.
19:18
I love you.
19:19
It's a bit awkward because Cam's here.
19:22
I'll say you too, Dave.
19:23
I'm sorry, Matthew.
19:24
Stop.
19:24
You don't have to say me.
19:25
You're a unit, mate.
19:26
Besides me.
19:26
Besides me.
19:27
I think we all have fun, don't we?
19:29
We had some good times.
19:30
Tickford.
19:31
Yeah.
19:32
Glenn Lindsay.
19:33
Glenn Lindsay.
19:34
Oh, my goodness.
19:35
What an icon.
19:36
They've been lucky.
19:37
I've had awesome teammates since I went in, obviously, with you and Chaz.
19:42
Had Bridie, you, Stunaway.
19:45
Obviously, Tom now.
19:48
He's a unit.
19:49
I've been pretty lucky.
19:49
Of course, if you had... That's about it, isn't it?
19:53
DBS guys.
19:54
Oh, DBS, yeah.
19:55
Gas pedal, LeBrock.
19:56
Gas pedal, yeah.
19:57
Gas pedal, Gary.
19:58
Kordo, he's a bloody legend.
20:00
He's pretty funny, eh?
20:01
Story time with Kordo was unreal.
20:03
So do you like... Do you know how these days, how we can't pair our man-drowers up?
20:08
Do you wish they reversed that?
20:10
Um...
20:10
Not really.
20:11
I think it must be too hard because everyone's got their own sponsors.
20:15
Yeah, exactly.
20:15
And then it takes half the cars out of the race.
20:17
But it'd be really cool if I could drive with him or I could drive with you.
20:20
But it gives the guys value as well because like, you know, Carouse and… But that's probably what the team owners don't want.
20:26
I know, but I think it's good because it gives them guys value as well instead of being in the second car or whatever you call it.
20:35
And then on any day, anyone can win.
20:37
I reckon the sports, like going to Bathurst, there's no favorite.
20:41
There's everyone who thinks we'll win.
20:44
And what about how, I think that changed the rule this year, correct me if I'm wrong, but we have to start the car.
20:48
There is a rule, yeah.
20:49
Is that happening?
20:50
I think, I don't know if it is, but they've been talking about it.
20:53
Yeah.
20:54
I actually hate start.
20:56
I like watching the co-driver.
20:57
Yes, it is.
20:58
I'm always talking the engineer in to put the co-driver in.
21:01
Yeah.
21:02
My last engineer wouldn't get in without the stress.
21:04
He wouldn't start Caruso.
21:05
He's like, you start regularly, you do it.
21:08
And then Caruso goes, give me a chance, give me a chance.
21:10
Sand down.
21:11
He did.
21:11
He did a 3-4, not to 100.
21:13
Holy shit.
21:13
He passed two rows.
21:15
He's starting the Bathurst.
21:16
Well, maybe not, but yeah.
21:18
Yeah.
21:19
He's like, just give me the chance.
21:20
And when he did it, he was the best start we did all year.
21:24
So do you think that's a good rule or a bad rule?
21:27
I think it's a bad rule, yeah.
21:29
I think it's a bad one.
21:30
I think so.
21:32
Because there's many different reasons, but I understand why they're trying to do it from a TV perspective.
21:36
It's like the biggest event of the year.
21:37
They're all talking about it.
21:39
And then there's these blokes that aren't part of our championship full-time anymore starting the biggest race of the year.
21:44
So I kind of get it.
21:45
But for us, it sort of hems everyone into the same sort of strategy.
21:48
And it's really hard to go off strategy and do something different.
21:51
It may make them pit early though.
21:52
You know, like Bathurst for 12 to 15.
21:55
There's that early one.
21:56
Yeah, there's...
21:57
Might change that and then some guys might do 22 laps or whatever.
22:00
Like I said, there's pros and cons to everything.
22:03
We don't really know because we haven't done it yet.
22:05
So, yeah.
22:08
I don't really want to start anyway.
22:09
You got Moff.
22:10
Moff again, yeah.
22:10
Moff dog.
22:11
He's a legend.
22:12
He's so cool.
22:13
He just comes, sits in my car, doesn't change anything.
22:15
Doesn't care.
22:16
Does a good job.
22:16
What a legend.
22:17
Yeah, he's a mad dog.
22:18
No seat insert?
22:19
Nah.
22:19
That's what Luffy's like, isn't he?
22:21
That's the best.
22:21
I won't let him do it as a seat.
22:25
But if you can get someone that sits in your seat, it's half the battle done.
22:28
100%.
22:28
Yeah, it's good.
22:29
What are you looking at me for?
22:30
It definitely doesn't happen in my car.
22:32
Hey?
22:33
It doesn't happen in my car.
22:34
You got a booster seat.
22:35
I got cruise.
22:37
Hey, we're talking about things that we could change, obviously, push to pass and DRS.
22:41
What do you guys think of a NASCAR-style playoffs for our championship?
22:45
Oh, I reckon that's pretty lame.
22:47
Lame?
22:48
Yeah.
22:48
Because the championship is done by the championship year.
22:52
You shouldn't have to add any extra complexity to that.
22:57
I find it hard to follow.
22:58
Yeah.
22:59
All that playoff stuff.
23:00
Yeah, same.
23:00
The playoff-like.
23:01
Same in ice hockey.
23:02
There's the playoff series and all that basketball stuff.
23:04
I don't understand it.
23:05
Yeah.
23:06
But if the issue...
23:08
Our sport's pretty complex and the simpler you can make it, the easier it is to follow.
23:11
I guess if you race through the year, right, say we call it, if we get back to 14 rounds, if it happens, first nine races, it's all about getting in the playoffs.
23:20
And then the last five, it's all our big races, right?
23:23
Sandown, Bathurst, Gold Coast, Adelaide, all the big ones.
23:26
So you've got more people in the hunt.
23:28
You're probably going to have more eyes on the sport potentially because they're the big races.
23:32
So how does it work though?
23:34
Like if, because our sport's dominated by certain, you know, like you might go a year like say Giz and Brody where they win a lot of the races.
23:45
Yeah.
23:46
So there'll only be two blokes in the playoff or how do you, none of the top 10 or top nine.
23:51
Yeah, like last year.
23:53
There was more people to win races than just those two at the start of the year.
23:55
So the first, say, nine races, whoever wins a race, you're in the playoffs.
24:00
Oh, regardless.
24:00
You get a ticket.
24:01
You get a ticket.
24:02
So even if you finish last everywhere and win one?
24:05
You're in.
24:06
So how many places have you got?
24:07
I don't know.
24:08
This is surmising.
24:09
This is not page 10.
24:11
Yeah, maybe.
24:12
take something like that and then you eliminate them through the last four rounds.
24:16
So everyone, all your greens on Saturday.
24:18
Oh, yeah.
24:18
You're in Sunday.
24:19
Everyone does funny stuff like that just to get in.
24:22
You're going to have a few roughies in it racing for the championship end of the year.
24:25
I don't know.
24:26
I think it'd be cool.
24:27
And it's a big race.
24:28
You're talking me into it.
24:29
And then process of elimination and then, but then Gold Coast, Bathurst are enduro races.
24:37
So your co-driver could determine the.
24:39
Yeah, that could influence it for sure.
24:41
Which it does now, but not as heavy as that potentially.
24:44
Yeah.
24:45
Well, you could even have Bathurst as more of a standalone ride if you didn't want to have part of, say, the playoffs.
24:50
But I think being one of the biggest races of the year, it's cool to have that element.
24:55
You're selling it.
24:56
Selling it?
24:57
So you're on board?
24:57
Are you being told to sell it or are you actually just leaving it?
24:59
No, I think it's cool.
25:00
I think it's cool.
25:01
Something different, spice it up.
25:03
So if someone like Gizzy or something does...
25:09
one off round at Chicago.
25:10
Yeah.
25:11
He wins it.
25:12
He qualifies for the playoffs.
25:14
I think you have to be a championship regular.
25:16
So a wild card can come in.
25:18
Yeah.
25:19
Yeah.
25:19
Imagine they have all these wild cards popping up.
25:21
Win a race and then you're in.
25:22
Yeah, you're in.
25:23
Back in the old days.
25:24
Yeah.
25:24
A lot of privateers and that.
25:26
Yeah.
25:27
Yeah, it'd be cool.
25:27
And then we could just throw in like a speedway race in there as well.
25:32
No.
25:33
He asked me to say that.
25:34
Sure.
25:36
Have you won a Speedway race?
25:38
Did you have your first win the other day?
25:40
Not in a sprint car.
25:41
No.
25:42
No, I've come second a few times.
25:44
Have you had any big crashes?
25:45
Not too big.
25:46
You're trying hard enough then.
25:48
I'm trying hard enough for sure.
25:50
I've been on my lid.
25:51
Have you?
25:52
Yeah.
25:53
Yep.
25:54
I couldn't.
25:54
I'd hate to race one of them.
25:56
They replaced the wing and go again.
25:57
They're unreal.
25:58
But I'd hate to race one of them.
25:59
You know why?
26:00
Why?
26:00
Because don't you sit on the bloody like.
26:04
The drive shaft.
26:05
The drive shaft.
26:06
You sit on that and it goes between you?
26:07
You do, but it's not... And what if that was to, like, fail and, like, and tear shreds and then just cut your legs off?
26:12
Well, it's got stuff around it to hold it in.
26:14
Yeah, I know, but, like, I don't trust that.
26:18
mate no i wouldn't be just put your foot flat you'll be right nah just don't crash that's the key to it what's your wish list then so speedway you're like multi you got a lot going on at the moment i've got a fair bit going on so what would you choose out of the couple of events so nascar daytona speedway knoxville
26:43
I might as well say Supercross somewhere because we're throwing another category.
26:45
We'll throw out the Supercross.
26:47
What are you more possible to do?
26:48
PT car, 24-hour spot.
26:49
Yeah, that's a good one too.
26:51
Because Knoxville would be cool.
26:54
I'm kind of... Why?
26:55
It's the mecca of speedway.
26:57
So if you're saying nothing about... Spring car race.
27:00
Anything.
27:00
Yeah, so what's on your wish list?
27:03
Yeah, pretty well all of them.
27:05
I'm just trying to tick them all off my bucket list, right?
27:07
Do them all.
27:07
But I think Daytona, I think that would be unreal just to be part of that.
27:13
100% want to go do Knoxville though.
27:15
So I've actually kind of been talking to a team over there a little bit about trying to do some racing at Knoxville, but not straight into the Knoxville Nationals, trying to do some club shows and stuff because it's so much faster.
27:25
It's fast, yeah.
27:27
Yeah, so you're kind of just starting again like...
27:29
Because the speeds are so much quicker than what we do here.
27:31
I went there years ago and watched the Knoxville Nationals with Brooke Tattnall was there.
27:36
Oh, yeah?
27:37
I don't know that name.
27:38
But yeah, Brooke Tattnall, Skip Jackson, all those blokes back in the day.
27:43
And it was like 160 mile an hour fast.
27:46
Yeah.
27:46
Ridiculous.
27:47
Really?
27:47
But a cool event.
27:48
Middle of nowhere, but yeah, cool event.
27:51
They're so fast and when the trucks prep ride and everything, you just hold it flat.
27:55
You don't lift at all.
27:56
Really?
27:56
You just hold it flat?
27:57
Dead flat?
27:58
They will stand.
27:59
And the thing's pinned to the ground, throws you in the side of the seat.
28:02
You wouldn't experience anything like that in any circuit racing car.
28:06
On mud.
28:06
What do you reckon?
28:07
Another idea...
28:08
Is like we've got the playoffs, but another idea, and we were chatting about it the other day, put like two options.
28:17
We chat a lot.
28:18
Put the mechanic, have a mechanic race.
28:20
Oh, a mechanics race.
28:21
Oh, that would be funny.
28:21
I reckon like I want to push for that really heavily.
28:23
So you pick someone from the team that hasn't raced.
28:26
You can't have someone who's got like a smallie or who has credentials back in the day.
28:30
Yeah.
28:31
Probably like the most, because they've got to fix it.
28:34
So if they're super aggressive and whatever, they've got to fix it.
28:36
But I reckon a mechanic from each team, a 10 lap race, and then that sets the grid for the...
28:46
For us.
28:47
For the main race, yeah.
28:47
Well, what track could you do it at?
28:49
Like, what's the most likeliest track you're not going to crash at?
28:52
Adelaide.
28:52
We'll do it at Adelaide, I think.
28:54
So, straight out.
28:54
I like part of that, but I think the engineers should qualify it.
28:58
Because they give us shit cars occasionally.
29:01
Right?
29:01
So, they need to live and feel the shit car they give us.
29:03
We're part of that, you know.
29:04
We're part of the equation.
29:06
But what happens when they drive it that doesn't understeer and they're really fast?
29:08
Yeah, I know.
29:09
Not going fast enough.
29:10
Yeah.
29:10
And then I reckon the flow onto that is that you land into a...
29:15
destination, you get a higher car from East Coast Car Randalls, if you know you want a good one, and you roll straight to the track, and in whatever that car is, five-lap dash.
29:25
Instead of doing a track walk, we do a five-lap dash in the higher car that sets the grid for the mechanics.
29:30
What have you been smoking lately?
29:33
I drink some of your water.
29:34
Then the mechanics jump in, 10-lap dash, and then we start the feature race.
29:39
I like it.
29:39
Is this going to be like something that's... Is it televised?
29:42
Yeah.
29:43
I guarantee it would be.
29:44
Apparently it is.
29:45
God just told me it's going to be.
29:46
But imagine that you get a Transit versus a buddy, someone in a little Swift or something, and whatever you get, you rock up in.
29:55
It'll be like the days of Thunder scene, how they race the car to the...
29:59
The rental cars.
30:00
Yeah, that's unreal.
30:08
Life in lane.
30:09
Yes, that was my next sort of harebrained thing to discuss.
30:13
Do you like it?
30:14
I did.
30:15
I did, yeah, I did.
30:16
I hated it at the start of the year.
30:19
Yeah, but now you love it.
30:20
It's all right.
30:21
Where are you?
30:21
Are you... Third.
30:23
What are we, sixth or something?
30:24
Fifth.
30:25
We're coming.
30:26
Coming.
30:27
We've been as high as third.
30:29
Triple A. T8, Walkinshaw, us.
30:31
You're close then.
30:32
You'd be close.
30:33
Rose, maybe?
30:34
After that.
30:35
Yeah, I think we're five points off Walkinshaw.
30:37
But honestly, it is a good thing.
30:38
It's something we talk about and it changes round to round and it creates variation, creates some sort of something to talk about, doesn't it?
30:45
It's really cool because we drive down pit lane and we always don't know where we're going to be.
30:49
So you actually have to concentrate.
30:51
You see guys at Darwin.
30:52
Yeah, exactly.
30:53
Yeah, people are stuffing up.
30:54
It's perfect.
30:55
They missed the beatbox, yeah.
30:58
They went past in qualifying.
30:59
Yeah, that's right.
31:01
Yeah.
31:02
Keep trending.
31:02
I didn't know that.
31:03
That's awesome.
31:04
That's what it's made to do.
31:05
I think it's been a good thing this year, the whole life hit lane.
31:08
I wish we did it earlier.
31:10
Yeah.
31:11
It's just like something small, right?
31:14
And this is for TV as well.
31:15
You know how the green flag goes for practice or qualifying or whatever?
31:21
Why do we have to wait for the next, say I'm behind you, why do I have to wait for you to go?
31:26
Why can't we just all go together?
31:29
Pull into pit lane and just drive out.
31:32
They'll look cool for TV, plus we get more track time.
31:36
I only see benefits, so I don't see many negatives.
31:39
Do you think you're going to pass everyone, or do you just think it'll look cool?
31:42
Well, it just gets us out on the track easier.
31:44
People just push back and box you in, don't they?
31:46
No, but at the start, at the start of the session, we all have to wait, and it's just really slow and monotonous.
31:53
Why can't we just...
31:55
button off as soon as it goes green, goes green on a dash and we just get going.
31:58
I feel like this year, like the practices have been all over the joint, right?
32:01
Like we've done 90 minutes, we've done 45, we've done practices on Saturday and Sunday.
32:06
Like what do you guys think of that?
32:08
Are we nailing it or are we?
32:10
Oh, practice is practice.
32:11
I think we don't do enough to start with, especially when we roll it off the pace.
32:16
There's not enough practice in the day to sort of fix your day.
32:19
Um, but
32:20
like every situation creates a variance I suppose so you know an hour long session one hour long session is completely different to two half hour sessions you know two half hour sessions you get to you get to sit down think about it go through some data have come up with some ideas make some larger changes if you want to and come back and have a swing at it nine times out of ten probably doesn't do much but
32:42
Um, you know, an hour session, you don't have time to think like that.
32:45
You got to think on your feet and make quick, small, decisive changes.
32:49
And it really comes down to how many sets of tires we have to practice and what type of, what type of track we're going to as far as deg and all that sort of stuff.
32:56
So, you know, if we do an hour practice at, uh, Sydney to Motorsport Park where we're going to next week, it's completely useless because, you know, the track's so bad.
33:03
We don't have enough tires.
33:05
There's going to be a lot of downtime for TV.
33:07
So, you know, shorter, sharper, shorter.
33:10
practice sessions would be better there because, you know, the deg's so bad, every lap's, you know, tense apart, you know, you're not going to learn much.
33:18
So, you know, I don't even, what is the practice next week?
33:21
90 minutes.
33:22
Oh.
33:22
Friday night.
33:23
Oh, Friday night?
33:24
Yeah.
33:24
Yeah, that's quite cool actually.
33:25
Yeah, something different.
33:26
5.30 or something, 6 o'clock.
33:27
What do you think?
33:28
Do you like it or...?
33:30
Well, you need more tyres, I think.
33:32
Like, you need more tyres.
33:34
100%.
33:34
And then, but they've done a good job of implementing some with the handbags and all that sort of stuff.
33:40
Yeah, that was good.
33:41
There's definitely benefits.
33:42
Because remember back in the day there was no handbags and everyone just used to save tyres for the weekend.
33:47
And there was, Friday practice was like,
33:49
No, it didn't mean shit.
33:50
Yeah, took a lotto.
33:51
Yeah.
33:51
Yeah.
33:51
But I think, you know, even races, we use greens now in the race because you have to try and maximize the result.
33:58
Previously, we'd keep greens for, you know, like back in the day for practice.
34:04
But, yeah, 90 minutes goes pretty quick because some of the changes on the car take a long time.
34:10
That's the hard part.
34:10
So if it changes 30 minutes...
34:13
you actually just sit there where there's small practice sessions in time, big gap in the middle.
34:18
You make a big change.
34:19
And I don't know, there's pros and cons.
34:21
There are always pros and cons for it, no matter what you do.
34:24
But when you roll out fast, like Darwin with us, we rolled out and it's like, what do you want to do?
34:27
And you go, oh, just...
34:29
I don't know, just sit here for a bit.
34:31
Cut and polish it.
34:31
Cut and polish it.
34:33
Time sheet.
34:34
But like, and then you're all out of Townsville and you're just tinkering.
34:36
So if it's 90 minutes, probably too long because you're in a window already.
34:41
One thing that I don't really like is we test, right?
34:44
We just go to Winton and, you know, the Queensland teams, they just go to QR.
34:49
What if we banned that, but we had like a full test day after an event?
34:53
After an event, not before?
34:54
Yeah, after an event.
34:56
So, you know, the Monday after, you know, sometimes we got ride days.
34:59
Don't pick them ones, but say after like Townsville, if we could, on the Monday, it's a full test day for everyone.
35:05
So all the teams are there, the fans could stay, different element, and then you're actually testing at different tracks.
35:11
A full day of practice on Thursday and no practice on Friday.
35:14
Or you could do that as well.
35:15
That'd be all right.
35:17
Makes sense.
35:18
What about the race formats?
35:19
Do you guys like that?
35:19
Do you like long, short?
35:22
I like the longer races.
35:23
Like 250Ks on the weekend was so long for me.
35:26
Yeah, I feel like 200Ks is where it's at.
35:29
Yeah, 250Ks is very, very long.
35:31
Don't need the last 50K.
35:33
I'm done by that point.
35:34
I'm tired.
35:35
Ready to go to the pub.
35:37
A lot of long ones are good, but you need like deg to make the...
35:41
Otherwise, they all just pit...
35:43
I'm the same.
35:43
But then there's people out there who talk about they want a tyre that they can go flat out 100% of the time all the time.
35:49
I think the best racing over all the years was Barbagello when it was just like so bad, the surface.
35:56
So like the worst and like tracks want to give you the best product.
35:59
That's the hard part because you go to a track and they've got this brand new surface.
36:04
It's actually.
36:04
It's too perfect.
36:05
It's too perfect.
36:06
Yeah.
36:06
You don't want that.
36:07
You want a bit of character.
36:08
You want like Townsville actually was quite gritty and stuff like that.
36:11
Darwin is still too smooth like in many ways.
36:16
But yeah, and then Perth gets resurfaced and stuff like that.
36:18
Like you actually need character like Pookie and some of those old.
36:22
They're resurfacing Bathurst as we speak, aren't they?
36:25
Are they?
36:26
Yeah.
36:26
I think so.
36:27
It's been resurfaced from the last time we were there.
36:30
All right.
36:30
So it'll be super fast.
36:32
Well, it's not bad.
36:34
It's really bad at the start.
36:36
It sort of gets better for a few years, then sort of tails off.
36:38
But remember that year after it was 2013 or 14?
36:42
14.
36:42
14, I reckon.
36:43
It was sketchy-ass.
36:44
Or was it 13?
36:45
14.
36:45
14 there he surfaced.
36:47
And that's when they had the red flag, the intermission.
36:49
Turn two.
36:50
That was like the best race of all time.
36:52
It was breaking up, wasn't it?
36:53
Osworth rolled into turn two or something, wasn't it?
36:55
Yeah.
36:56
Ingle.
36:56
In the Mercedes.
36:57
Yeah, yeah.
36:59
But that race is sketchy.
37:00
It was a DJ, our car caught fire, I think.
37:02
Was that that year?
37:03
Oh, no, that was a different year.
37:04
I think for one, caught fire.
37:06
He still talks about it.
37:07
What's that, 2008?
37:08
Yeah, 2008.
37:09
Yeah, 2008, our car caught fire.
37:12
I saw Slady's car with the battery on the weekend.
37:15
Did you see you took the jump battery for a ride around the track?
37:18
No.
37:18
Oh, yeah.
37:19
And that brought back scars from 2008.
37:21
Surely.
37:21
Did you get fired for that?
37:23
They got team points or something, but like.
37:24
But like there should have been like a, because that's so dangerous, like super, super dangerous shit to do.
37:30
Yeah.
37:31
I didn't even know that.
37:32
It brought back memories of 08 where the battery was in the boot hitting the, like when you go to the shopping and your groceries fall around in the bank.
37:39
And yeah, the thing went up in flames.
37:41
The thing went up in flames.
37:43
I remember Campbell Little, he's like, I go, I'm on fire.
37:45
He's like, yeah, lap times are okay.
37:47
I'm like, I'm on fire.
37:48
I'm going in, mate.
37:49
And he's so dry.
37:50
Campbell, he's awesome.
37:51
He's like, okay, we'll best you pit.
37:53
Fuck.
37:54
He's a legend.
37:55
That's what I was like at Darwin last year.
37:57
I'm on fire.
37:58
If you're going to add circuits to our calendar, which ones would you add?
38:01
So I like going back to Winton.
38:03
Not because it's our test track, just because it always makes good racing.
38:06
Even though the surface is good, which is an outlier, I always like going back there.
38:10
I think we need more street tracks.
38:12
Well, yeah.
38:13
Local boy.
38:14
And I sort of grew up, went to that track as a teenager, watching cars go around and
38:19
I like it.
38:20
So I think the Perth Street track's going to be sick.
38:22
I can't wait for that.
38:23
I would take that over Winton.
38:24
But I would not go to Winton in winter.
38:28
It doesn't make any sense.
38:28
You know, Winton used to fall on my birthday every year.
38:31
So you're glad it's gone.
38:32
I spent about 18 years of my birthday was at Winton.
38:35
That's me at Townsville.
38:35
So if I could put it not in May.
38:37
That'd be awesome.
38:38
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
38:39
Where do you want to go for your birthday then?
38:42
I reckon we should race in... Mykonos?
38:44
Texas.
38:45
Yeah, Texas in May.
38:46
Or a track at the Boundaries or something.
38:48
But I'd like to race some of those international events.
38:52
I know they don't help here.
38:54
But like we used to do all the events here and overseas.
38:57
So it was like, and it's good for the crew.
38:59
Like I actually reckon if we could race in Qatar again or, you know, somewhere in Middle East.
39:04
Because all the team or when we went to Austin, we all branched off and holidayed.
39:10
The crew, because the cars take so long to get back.
39:12
I went to the Indy 500 after.
39:15
Yeah.
39:15
We did that, didn't we?
39:19
Yeah.
39:20
Yeah.
39:20
We went to Indy 500 as well, actually.
39:22
Yeah.
39:22
It was a great race.
39:23
It was 100th.
39:24
100th.
39:25
Yeah, it was.
39:26
It's huge.
39:27
Different year, though.
39:29
I went 13, I think.
39:31
Yeah.
39:31
We got to like 40 and went to a steak joint.
39:34
You would have loved it, actually.
39:35
I would have, yes.
39:36
Yeah, so we went there.
39:38
But I reckon somewhere overseas because the cars, like, gives a crew a holiday.
39:42
It's an incentive when they come and work for a race team.
39:45
It's quite cool.
39:46
I reckon it's really cool to race international.
39:47
But unfortunately... International racing drivers.
39:50
But it works against you because sometimes they go there and then...
39:53
They get jobs there.
39:54
Like, Smalley branches off and goes to Charlotte.
39:58
That was always his dream.
39:59
What do you think in Charlotte?
40:00
Oh, just there's some nice things down here.
40:02
I think that was always his dream.
40:04
Yeah.
40:05
But, um, but yeah.
40:06
Like this young fella here, always his dream.
40:09
Was it always your dream to race NASCAR?
40:11
Um, always followed it.
40:13
Really?
40:13
Always followed it?
40:14
And cause I obviously grew up on the dirt, um, you know, watching Speedway and whatnot and, and then racing a sprint car.
40:21
And so I've always kind of followed the oval track stuff.
40:23
So, so who's coming out of all them?
40:25
If there's a, cause if the wildcard happens in Adelaide, who would you pick?
40:31
Like.
40:32
Because we go over there, obviously.
40:34
To race here?
40:34
Yeah.
40:35
Who would you say should come?
40:39
I think Kyle Larson would be unreal.
40:41
He's unreal, apparently.
40:42
He kind of gets in everything and kills it.
40:45
Like, in a Sprint guy, he's unreal.
40:47
And then obviously went and did Indy.
40:49
Yeah.
40:51
Chris Buescher, he was my teammate over there.
40:54
So it was Brad Kozlowski, then it was Chris.
40:57
And then, yeah, he was really good.
40:59
Is he like an oval guy or a road course guy?
41:03
Um, he's mainly...
41:05
He's an all-rounder.
41:06
He's mainly ovals, yeah, but he's, like, in the sim, he was actually really good, and he was super fast at Sonoma, so I think he'd be good.
41:13
I don't know.
41:15
What about you guys?
41:15
Ollie's good in the sim, isn't he?
41:17
Ollie.
41:17
They should put him straight in.
41:18
No, he's terrible.
41:19
Straight in.
41:20
No.
41:20
Frosty was good in the sim.
41:21
I was really bad.
41:22
He just made me look... Oh, I was... Yeah.
41:24
I don't know.
41:26
I think those guys, it's good to race different people around the world, but it's also nice to race them in your gear.
41:33
Which one's the... Cobb.
41:36
Yeah, Cobb.
41:36
Yeah.
41:37
I think you'd love him or you'd hate him, right?
41:39
Yeah.
41:39
Was he good or...
41:40
He was good.
41:41
I had a sick battle with him, actually.
41:43
Him and Truex, yeah.
41:44
Truex.
41:44
That's who's smally car.
41:46
James Small runs his car, yeah?
41:48
Yeah.
41:48
Truex, Truex Jr.
41:50
Yeah, it was cool.
41:52
I was like blocking Kyle.
41:53
He hit me.
41:53
Then I got hit into Truex.
41:56
And then he lunged me at the last corner.
41:58
And then we raced side by side to the stage.
42:01
He got me there.
42:02
To the stage win.
42:03
To the stage.
42:04
But I don't know what we're racing for.
42:06
I don't understand.
42:07
Can you explain stages to me?
42:09
Yeah, so it's like it's a 100-lap race and say first 30 laps, it's stage one, and then they award points for that.
42:16
30 laps.
42:17
So it's like 30, 30.
42:18
That doesn't add up correctly.
42:20
I'll say it's 20, 20, so then you're 40, then it's 60 laps to go for the race win.
42:24
So each stage, they award points, and that's also for your playoff points.
42:28
It's like Tour de France.
42:30
I guess, yeah.
42:30
I don't really watch Tour de France.
42:32
And then the sprinter comes through at the end and wins the round or something.
42:36
Yeah.
42:36
And then at the end of each stage, it's caution and then you can pit.
42:40
Yeah.
42:41
Yeah.
42:41
Why do they do that?
42:43
That's how they do it, David.
42:44
But why?
42:45
Well, I think it's actually good because it's a caution, right?
42:49
So it brings everyone back together.
42:50
You can pit before the caution.
42:52
So you know when it's coming.
42:53
So then it adds a difference.
42:54
Yeah.
42:55
So it adds a bit more strategy to the race as well.
42:57
Man, that's so confusing.
43:00
I reckon we should bring it in just to make you a little bit more confused.
43:03
It's not hard to confuse me.
43:04
I reckon we should bring it.
43:06
So what do you reckon about Sydney?
43:09
Obviously coming up, that's our next event.
43:10
Yeah.
43:11
It's beautiful.
43:12
If you're looking for sunny real estate and a good place to bring your family up, Sydney Motorsport Park, five kilometres from Sydney.
43:22
Beautiful little suburb called Doonside.
43:24
Out of the 12 rounds we go to, where does Sydney Motorsport sit?
43:30
As a track, it's like...
43:31
I can't believe you said that with a straight face, Mark.
43:35
Out of 12, where does it sit?
43:39
I think, I reckon Sydney most well- Is it in your 10?
43:42
Absolutely.
43:43
I think it's a not- Is it in your top five?
43:47
For what?
43:48
Favorite places to go?
43:49
Yeah, out of the calendar.
43:50
I'm trying to narrow it down to find out.
43:52
I'd say top five.
43:53
Really?
43:54
So you go Bathurst?
43:57
No, I think to do a lap, I don't want to discriminate any other tracks.
44:01
No, you don't have to.
44:02
It's about being honest.
44:04
It's about going home.
44:06
But when you put green tyres on, and your car's hooked up, it's actually one of the most rewarding places.
44:14
How often does that happen?
44:15
Yeah.
44:16
Well, you feel really good on greens until someone else goes half a sec quicker.
44:19
But like, it is a place that...
44:21
There's a big disparity there, hey?
44:22
But it's a big hustle.
44:23
You've got to hustle.
44:23
I like that long corners and you get it right, you've rewarded all this sort of stuff.
44:28
But then when you're in a battle and the tires are bleeding off it, it...
44:32
quickly drops out of my top five tracks.
44:34
After two laps.
44:35
And goes to 12.
44:37
And goes to 12 or 13, somewhere there.
44:39
It's next level D. It's hard.
44:41
It's one of the worst tracks when you're driving and you think you've got stuff under control and then someone comes at you at half a second of lap and you're just like, fuck.
44:49
And the engineer says, make it hard for them.
44:53
I'm dying.
44:55
I'll pull the radio out when they say that.
44:57
Have you ever pulled the radio out?
44:58
Nah, just tell Potsy, just stop, mate.
45:00
Have you pulled the radio out?
45:01
It's good.
45:02
Nah.
45:03
It's a bit hard to reach.
45:04
Nah, it's not that hard.
45:06
He's got big arms.
45:07
Big arms than you.
45:08
Yeah, locked down.
45:09
That's not that hard.
45:10
What do you reckon?
45:11
Predictions for...
45:12
So hang on, is it in your top 12?
45:15
Well, it has to be.
45:16
Why don't we go to 12 tracks?
45:17
I know.
45:17
That's what I'm trying to say.
45:18
I'm trying to be funny about it.
45:19
Yes, we only go to 12.
45:20
It wasn't actually funny, but... Yeah.
45:22
Well, I'm having a good time.
45:24
I'm kind of like you.
45:24
It's actually fun to drive in qualifying, but the whole Tideg thing, it's off its chops, which adds to the racing.
45:32
If you've got a good car, it's awesome.
45:33
I've just had a lot of shockers there, so...
45:35
Same.
45:36
I'm a little bit burnt by the player.
45:40
Last year I had a massive crash there.
45:41
Without bringing up bad races.
45:43
Remember...
45:44
We all blew front tyres there one year.
45:47
We literally blew the front tyres off it.
45:49
When was this?
45:49
After three lives.
45:50
After three lives, yeah.
45:51
It had that much deg, so he hasn't let it go.
45:54
See?
45:54
The whole COVID thing when we went there four weekends in a row.
45:58
I only did two, by the way.
46:00
How come?
46:01
Yeah, what happened there, Dave?
46:03
I got that AstraZeneca heart now where I have to go see my cardiologist.
46:09
You got the big bore kit.
46:10
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a big bore.
46:12
Woke me up the other day, actually.
46:13
It was like 5.30 and I got like an irregular heartbeat and it just went off.
46:18
And I thought I was having a heart attack, but I wasn't.
46:19
But yeah, thanks.
46:22
When I got my COVID shot, I got it.
46:24
And I went for a run and I PB'd the next run.
46:28
I don't know why.
46:30
Completely off topic, but... Yeah, right.
46:34
Let's not talk about it at shit time.
46:35
What do we reckon about night time?
46:37
It's when you sleep.
46:37
Night time, people go to sleep.
46:39
No?
46:39
No, is that what you said?
46:40
What about racing at night time?
46:42
So you guys aren't going to win.
46:43
You're too clever.
46:43
You guys aren't going to win.
46:44
Some people do other things.
46:45
You're not going to win this race because you're too clever.
46:48
Following your theory.
46:49
I'm definitely not clever.
46:50
Following your theory.
46:51
What do you think about night racing?
46:53
I think it's awesome.
46:54
Yeah, it's unreal.
46:55
It's so good.
46:55
Adds another element.
46:57
It's really hard to see.
46:58
Like when I first drove.
47:00
What?
47:01
Depends on how they light it.
47:02
Remember the first time they did it?
47:03
It was like, it was really hard to see.
47:05
Remember the guy over the back?
47:06
It was real patchy.
47:07
It was really patchy.
47:07
Remember the car over the back with his headlights on?
47:09
Yeah.
47:09
Yeah, that was distracting as well.
47:11
That pissed me off so much.
47:13
But it was really hard to see.
47:14
And I just felt like, because I haven't done a lot of night driving, I felt like I was going like 10 times quicker.
47:19
And it took me ages for my brain to like relearn everything and go, okay, it's the same, but you just can't see as well.
47:25
So, yeah, it sucks.
47:27
And the fireworks go off, so you know when the winners cross the finish line.
47:32
If you get to see them, not too bad, because generally you're on that side of the track.
47:36
Somewhere there.
47:37
When you're going into like turn four, and you're like, damn it.
47:41
We just got pumped.
47:42
Yeah, we got pumped.
47:43
Cut through, Peter.
47:44
It's a hard track.
47:45
Because there's a big disparity.
47:47
You can win by a lot or lose by a large margin there.
47:50
Predictions for the weekend?
47:51
Predictions?
47:52
Yeah.
47:52
Who's going to be fast, who's not?
47:55
Probably the same blokes that are going to be up the front.
47:58
But I don't know whether it's going to be like a Ford-dominated track or a Camaro-dominated track.
48:03
So it's really, really hard to figure that one out.
48:06
I assume...
48:08
Triple eight's always pretty quick there.
48:09
Triple eight's going to be quick always.
48:10
They'll bounce back, you reckon?
48:11
Oh, of course they do, yeah.
48:13
Dickford's been quick there in the past, up and down a little.
48:16
Up and down.
48:16
Chas is really good at Sydney Motorsport Park.
48:18
Yeah, usually pretty quick.
48:19
He's been really fast, yeah.
48:21
He had no tire life there last year, but he was fast.
48:23
I can't even remember how we went last year there.
48:25
We were racing each other on Sunday for about 10th, I think.
48:28
Were we?
48:29
Did you beat me?
48:32
I crashed and then my car got stuck in no man's land.
48:35
The camera took a while to find me.
48:37
You were in the second last corner.
48:38
What do you mean?
48:39
He was in the second last corner in the gravel.
48:40
Really?
48:41
Yeah, something fell off my car.
48:42
You had a big crash in you.
48:43
Yeah, man.
48:43
It was like 47 Gs.
48:44
It was massive.
48:44
It was massive.
48:46
is it turn nine, you know, that fast right where you sort of bleed into it?
48:50
Yeah.
48:50
Yeah, something broke when I tipped in at max speed.
48:52
It was like 200 k's and something broke on the front right and because it's like a rear steer car, sorry, it's a front steer car, like just sent me left hard on the fence.
49:01
I didn't even know there was a fence there and there was a fence that sort of follows the track and sort of it curves around.
49:06
So I actually hit it at a really bad angle.
49:08
Oh, right.
49:08
And it was a big crash, like destroyed the car.
49:11
And then I was like stuck in a paddock somewhere.
49:13
I didn't even know where it was because I'd never been,
49:15
there before in my life.
49:17
And, um, yeah, and it took like three or four laps for them to put the safety car out because they didn't know where I went.
49:22
You can see me tumble down the order.
49:25
And then like a few laps later, they cut to me in, in the paddock, just like looking at my car broken.
49:31
It was so funny.
49:33
Well, not really funny, but like, it's funny now.
49:35
It's funny now.
49:36
Yeah.
49:37
And then the blokes had to work all night to fix it.
49:40
Hopefully it doesn't happen again, mate.
49:41
Hopefully we have a good weekend.
49:42
But we're going to wrap it up.
49:44
We're done.
49:45
That's it.
49:46
We're done.
49:46
So it's good to chat.
49:47
What are you doing this afternoon?
49:51
What are you doing?
49:52
Invites or no?
49:54
For what?
49:55
Dunno.
49:55
Are you going to play Call of Duty?
49:58
Very frowned upon.
50:00
But no, probably go home, do a work day.
50:02
I used to play.
50:03
What happened?
50:04
just haven't turned it on he's still parachuting out of the air he doesn't really understand he told me a story about you you play you get shot on the big map he's like nah don't play that map he plays multiplayer different maps I'll do yeah thank you boys what are you in the waters nothing mate just chilling out I was away for monster stuff on the weekend so I'm gonna have the afternoon at home but yeah thanks fellas it's been fun thanks for having me see you see me we're all friendly and hopefully Dave can help you out in the championship again yeah