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BIZARRE: BRIEF 'STARTER MARRIAGE' CLUE, DENTIST & WIFE MURDERS @ HOME, TOT KIDS ASLEEP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the case of a young dentist and his young
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  Speaker 2: wife murdered in their own home with their two little
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  Speaker 2: children in the home to find mommy and daddy dead.
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  Speaker 2: Could they have even witnessed the murders? As of tonight,
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  Speaker 2: a murder suicide has been ruled out. And I can
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  Speaker 2: tell you why. It's not unusual angles of the bullets
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  Speaker 2: or their trajectory path. It's not that sophisticated because there's
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  Speaker 2: no weapon. The weapon's gone. They're both shot dead, one
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  Speaker 2: of them multiple times, possibly both, but there's no weapon
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  Speaker 2: there on the scene, so obviously somebody else did it.
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  Speaker 2: And tonight, a starter marriage, what does that have to
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  Speaker 2: do with a double homicide? A starter marriage is right,
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  Speaker 2: it's your first try. It's brief, it happened a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago. It doesn't really count. That's what you call
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  Speaker 2: a starter marriage. So how does that factor into a
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  Speaker 2: double murder? I mean, it's he Grace, this is Crime Stories,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: There's a body our friend wasn't in transphone. We just
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  Speaker 3: did a well a ship. We just get here. Anytime
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  Speaker 3: he appears.
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  Speaker 2: The dentist and his wife gun down children upstairs.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there's a body of this body.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a body inside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If only I could have reached through this camera and
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  Speaker 2: get my hands a little finger necklace for the dispatch
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  Speaker 2: officer that was taking these calls. Why am I angry?
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  Speaker 2: You'll see listen.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I would like to ask for a wellness
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  Speaker 5: check on an individual at their home. This individual, Spener,
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  Speaker 5: works with me, and he did not show up to
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  Speaker 5: work this morning, and we cannot get a hold of
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  Speaker 5: him or his family. He is always on time when
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  Speaker 5: he would contact us that there is any issues whatsoever,
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  Speaker 5: and at the center a house to say this like,
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  Speaker 5: we're very, very concerned because this is very out of character.
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  Speaker 5: And we can't get in Dutch with his wife, which
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  Speaker 5: is probably the more concerning thing.
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  Speaker 6: When doctor Spencer Tempe doesn't show up for work at
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  Speaker 6: Athens Dental Depot in Columbus, Ohio, coworkers are so shocked
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  Speaker 6: they call their boss, the owner of Athens d doctor
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  Speaker 6: Mark Valrose. Valrose is on vacation in Florida, but Spencer
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  Speaker 6: not showing up is so unusual coworkers felt the need
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  Speaker 6: to let Valrose know. Valroz tries to contact Spencer and
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  Speaker 6: failing at that, Teppi's wife Monique, as she's even more
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  Speaker 6: predictable than her husband. Unable to reach either, Teppe, Valrose
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  Speaker 6: calls nine to one one in Columbus, Ohio at nine
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  Speaker 6: oh three am, requesting a wellness check.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Susan Hendrix joining me before I go to the
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  Speaker 2: whole panel, investigative reporter and author of Down the Hill,
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  Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi, which is
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  Speaker 2: the definitive book on the Delphi Double Mine of Abby
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  Speaker 2: and Libby, Susan. But you didn't hear in that snippet
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  Speaker 2: of the nine one one call that I just played.
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  Speaker 2: You've got the coworker going, this is really bizarre for
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  Speaker 2: him not to be here. The dispatcher says, and I quote, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we'll send somebody over as soon as we have an
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  Speaker 2: officer available. It's Columbus, Ohio. They don't have police that
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  Speaker 2: can come over.
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  Speaker 1: Translation.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, he doesn't answer the phone. We're not worried. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to you when we get to you. That's where
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  Speaker 2: it starts with this woman.
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  Speaker 7: Her job is not to have preconceived notions about what
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  Speaker 7: she believes.
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  Speaker 8: It's to answer the nine to one one calls and
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  Speaker 8: get help there, and it appears she's bothered by it
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  Speaker 8: all downplaying.
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  Speaker 7: What these people friends of Monique and Spencer are saying.
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  Speaker 9: We need help.
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  Speaker 7: Something is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And you know Greg Morris joining me veteran try a lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal. He's the founder of that.
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  Speaker 2: He is the author of Untested on Amazon. Veteran trial
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  Speaker 2: lawyer Greg. This is the deal. There's something called routine evidence,
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  Speaker 2: not routine as in typical routine evidence. It's evidence of
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  Speaker 2: someone's routine. For instance, if I go to Greg Morse
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  Speaker 2: and I look and instead of seeing you, I see
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  Speaker 2: an empty chair, I know something's very wrong. That's not
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  Speaker 2: your routine. You're always there and prepared, usually with a
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  Speaker 2: snarky comment, but you're prepared, so that would be highly unusual,
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  Speaker 2: and I would immediately try to find out what's wrong
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  Speaker 2: with Morse. See what I mean. It's your routine from
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  Speaker 2: which you do not deviate. But this nine one one
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  Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I'll send somebody. When I got somebody, well.
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  Speaker 10: It's it's because it came in as a wellness check,
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  Speaker 10: not as a nine to one one. There's an emergency
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  Speaker 10: right now, So That's probably why the non when one
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  Speaker 10: operator you know, puts it in the queue for police
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  Speaker 10: to get out there, and they may have been dealing
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  Speaker 10: with some other emergencies. That's the unfortunate nature of the
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  Speaker 10: way the call came in. It came in as a
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  Speaker 10: wellness check. A lot of times wellness checks turn out fine,
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  Speaker 10: so they probably didn't put a high priority on it
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  Speaker 10: at the time, and that's because of the way the
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  Speaker 10: call came in. So I don't know if it's nine
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  Speaker 10: one one's fault there as much as it is that
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  Speaker 10: the nature of the type of call that came in.
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  Speaker 11: So you know, everybody wants to you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, enjoy this moment. Favorite. I'm saying you're right
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  Speaker 2: based on that call alone, But it escalates, And maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's why I'm so angry, because I know what's in
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  Speaker 2: the content of the rest of the nine one one calls.
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  Speaker 2: And you might want to hold with withhold judgment morse,
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  Speaker 2: because I can see a savvy defense attorney using the
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  Speaker 2: nine to one one dispatches bad attitude and lack of
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  Speaker 2: urgent see as part of a defense. But hold on,
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  Speaker 2: I want you to hear more of the nine one
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  Speaker 2: one call hey, Ron Bateman joining me, former homicide and
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  Speaker 2: undercover narc former sheriff, author of a new book, Opposing Sides,
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  Speaker 2: Memoirs of a Drug Dealer and a Detective, Ron Bateman,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Ron. It's got to
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  Speaker 2: drive you crazy when you hear a disinterested nine one
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  Speaker 2: one dispatch, because the time that they waste on a
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  Speaker 2: case could be the difference in life and death.
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  Speaker 12: True, and mister Morris does have a good point. It
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  Speaker 12: is a wellness check which we get hundreds of a day,
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  Speaker 12: and ninety nine point nine percent of them turn out
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  Speaker 12: to be nothing whatsoever. So this is and the empathy
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  Speaker 12: or the lack of empathy in her voice is a
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  Speaker 12: it's I know it's troubling to the average person, but
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  Speaker 12: you got to understand what they deal with every single day,
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  Speaker 12: and getting a wellness check call is much, uh less
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  Speaker 12: dramatic than the other calls that they deal with NonStop.
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  Speaker 12: You know, someone being beaten, someone you know just got,
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  Speaker 12: you know, in a terrible car accident, they're pinned in
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  Speaker 12: a car. A wellness check that's put across like that.
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  Speaker 12: The way the way the caller did is very matter
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  Speaker 12: of fact. So I understand why you could get upset
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  Speaker 12: because you know the outcome. However, it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 12: the outcome is not known by the dispatcher or the
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  Speaker 12: call taker at that point, so.
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  Speaker 11: It is in Q.
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  Speaker 12: My question would be how long did it take for
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  Speaker 12: the response? If the response was two or three minutes,
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  Speaker 12: then that's normal in a in a non emergency call. So, uh,
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  Speaker 12: mister Morris is pretty pretty much right on the mark.
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  Speaker 4: Let's be emergency there. Our our boss did not report
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  Speaker 4: to work. We hadn't been able to get.
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  Speaker 2: Ahold of him for three hour.
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  Speaker 3: We are on site and we can hear.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I wanted somebody there. Okay, I'm just making sure
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  Speaker 4: somebody calls.
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  Speaker 13: The officers arrive at the Tepee residence at nine twenty
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  Speaker 13: two am. Officers knock on the front door multiple times
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  Speaker 13: but get no response. Checking the door and windows, officers
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  Speaker 13: see no sign of disturbance. At the back door, officers
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  Speaker 13: again knock multiple times, no response, repeating the process. Officers
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  Speaker 13: failed to get a response and file the report in
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  Speaker 13: their log book. No response.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there's so many places got right there, Isn't it true? Say?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't Henrick said they first went to the wrong address.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, and I watched the body cam footage and I
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  Speaker 7: mean he was thorough. He was just at the wrong address.
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  Speaker 7: It was a mistake, a big mistake.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just compounding as we listened to this
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  Speaker 8: and watch it unfold.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to nine one one, one more time. Listen to
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  Speaker 2: this tiny sniffet.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see Amergincy there. Our boss did not report for work.
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  Speaker 4: We haven't been able to get a hold of him
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  Speaker 4: for three hours.
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  Speaker 3: We are on site and we can hear.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I's just somebody there. Okay, I'm just making sure
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  Speaker 4: somebody call them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really, I just talked to somebody there, Like,
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  Speaker 2: stop bothering me. My nails are drying. Just got Morgan
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  Speaker 2: joining me. Professor forensic Jacksonville State University. He is the
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  Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is
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  Speaker 2: the star of a hit podcast series, Body Bags with
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  Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. But most important, he is a death
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  Speaker 2: investigator with over ten thousand death scene evaluations under his belt.
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  Speaker 2: Of all the possibilities, you've got natural causes, you've got suicide,
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  Speaker 2: you have got accident, you've got unexplained and of course
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  Speaker 2: you have homicide. And that's his job ten thousand times
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  Speaker 2: plus determining cod cause of death. You know what, when
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  Speaker 2: somebody's shot dead and they're bleeding out, one minute can
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  Speaker 2: make a difference in life and death. Joke's god, Why.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, because you don't know if the person is in
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  Speaker 14: fact salvage at that point in time. That's one of
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  Speaker 14: the big things about this, Nancy, is that there are
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  Speaker 14: a lot of unknowns involved in this. The one thing
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  Speaker 14: I know is that this individual that's taken the call
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  Speaker 14: is irritated by this. Because I'm not interested in your
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  Speaker 14: personal problems about how you just took a call from there.
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  Speaker 11: I could care less.
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  Speaker 14: The appropriate response is, it's duly noted, we've got officers
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  Speaker 14: en route. Okay, beyond that, there has to be an
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  Speaker 14: urgency here to go back out and inspect this area.
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  Speaker 14: You've got people swarming over this house, and as we
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  Speaker 14: find out, of course, you've apparently got children in the
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  Speaker 14: house as well, which is a major problem here. And
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  Speaker 14: so this urgency or lacked thereof, in hindsight, it should.
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  Speaker 14: You should treat this every single time I'm out of
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  Speaker 14: the gate as if you know, this is the most
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  Speaker 14: important thing on your plate, as opposed to well I'm
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  Speaker 14: taking other calls from there.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. How many times have we heard guys?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall right now, psycho analyst joining us out
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  Speaker 2: of LA She's the author of deal Breaker. You can
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  Speaker 2: see her now on Peacock and you can find her
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  Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, how many
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  Speaker 2: times have we heard someone call nine one one somebody's missing,
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  Speaker 2: they can't be found, and it's treated like, oh, they're
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  Speaker 2: off with their boyfriend or girlfriend, or he just needed
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  Speaker 2: a break from the little woman, or he's tired of
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  Speaker 2: hearing his kids scream and they just discount it. The
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  Speaker 2: guy's lying there, bleeding out dead. That's what we know now.
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  Speaker 2: That's the backdrop to all of her indifference, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: The assumption should be made that if somebody is worried
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  Speaker 9: enough to call, if they're stressed on the phone, that
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  Speaker 9: likely something is going on. They don't the dispatcher doesn't
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  Speaker 9: know what it is yet, but they must presume the worst.
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  Speaker 9: I have made several welfare checks throughout the years on
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  Speaker 9: patients of mine, and those welfare officers they in one
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  Speaker 9: case broke down the door and saved the patient's life. Okay,
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  Speaker 9: so these calls have to be made seriously, Nancy. The
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  Speaker 9: calls are stacking up. It's one person after another after another.
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  Speaker 9: So I would think when multiple calls are coming in,
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  Speaker 9: you even then begin to take it more seriously. And
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  Speaker 9: especially since Okay, so he hasn't shown up to work,
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  Speaker 9: three hours have passed. He's their boss. They're worried. The
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  Speaker 9: fact that they are worried after three hours means that
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  Speaker 9: they know him and that they know something is seriously wrong.
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  Speaker 9: Like in my field, we always say, listen to the patient,
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  Speaker 9: take them seriously, track with what they're saying. This is
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  Speaker 9: what the dispatcher should have done.
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  Speaker 6: A coworker of Spencer goes to the Teppi residence and
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  Speaker 6: calls nine to one one, explaining Tepi is her boss
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  Speaker 6: and they haven't been able to get a hold of him.
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  Speaker 6: The caller tries to tell dispatch they can hear kids inside,
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  Speaker 6: but the dispatcher talks over the caller, telling her, I
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  Speaker 6: just talked to somebody there. The distract coworker apologizes, saying
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  Speaker 6: she was just making sure someone called.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, we do have officers responding there. Do you know
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  Speaker 4: if he's been ill or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I was just okay. So again she's saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: there on the way, maybe he's got the flu. Has
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  Speaker 2: he been ill? Okay, keep listening.
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  Speaker 4: Let's the emergency there. Please are medical.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe both. I guess, I don't know. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 3: doing the worry.
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  Speaker 4: We had a call out there. They knocked on the
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  Speaker 4: front door and back door her multiple times and there
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  Speaker 4: was no answer.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, no answer.
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  Speaker 4: I can hear kids inside, and I say, I think
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  Speaker 4: I heard one yell, but we can't get it.
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  Speaker 15: One of Spencer's friends goes to the Teppie home and
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  Speaker 15: calls nine one one at nine fifty seven am. Dispatch
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  Speaker 15: tells the friend officers have already been to the location
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  Speaker 15: and knocked on doors and got no answer. The friend says, yeah,
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  Speaker 15: no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I think
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  Speaker 15: I heard one yell.
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  Speaker 2: Still disbelieving, and it gets worse.
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  Speaker 4: What's changed since the last person I talked to?
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  Speaker 3: There's a body, there's a body.
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  Speaker 4: Here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second,
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  Speaker 4: let me get you on the line with the medic. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: sail on the line.
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  Speaker 3: Appear's dead there.
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  Speaker 2: You hear the dispatch say what's new, what's changed since
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  Speaker 2: the last person I talked to? And the friend says
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  Speaker 2: there's a body inside, and the friend is crying, and
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  Speaker 2: now I'm and says there's a body and the friends
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  Speaker 2: crying says yeah, and the nine only one Amy is
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  Speaker 2: like by and hooks him over to a medic. Did
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  Speaker 2: you hear that, Joe Scott clad?
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  Speaker 11: I did.
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  Speaker 14: And look, there's this modern term that folks like to
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  Speaker 14: use all the time, kind of flip it term. They say,
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  Speaker 14: bad optics. Dude, this is the worst of optics here.
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  Speaker 14: If this is kind of service you're going to get,
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  Speaker 14: and at these critical times, all these friends that are
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  Speaker 14: showing up out there, and it's further accentuated by the
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  Speaker 14: child crying in the background as well. So yeah, and
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  Speaker 14: then the horror that's revealed once they finally entered into
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  Speaker 14: this environment there. You know, it's a total unknown. And
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  Speaker 14: this just goes to show you how every case, every
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  Speaker 14: single time, you need to treat it this way, and
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  Speaker 14: you need to hold it, you need to hold it
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  Speaker 14: almost like a sacred thing, because you don't know what's
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  Speaker 14: going on with us kids in there. You don't know
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  Speaker 14: what has occurred inside of that environment, what we do
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  Speaker 14: know is that the people that are at out there
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  Speaker 14: have intimate knowledge of this couple. They even talk about
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  Speaker 14: how they understand if the wife doesn't respond. That's how
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  Speaker 14: tuned in they are to this whole situation. And granted
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  Speaker 14: the dispatcher doesn't necessarily know that, but you should not
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  Speaker 14: be treated as if you're on an assembly line, particularly
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  Speaker 14: in light of what's further revealed.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Susan Hendricks joining US investigative journalists and author. Susan,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it true that the friends slash coworkers. They're all
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  Speaker 2: a very tight group where he has his dentist practice.
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  Speaker 2: They have to go in the home themselves, and they
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  Speaker 2: have to find the dead bodies. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: long they had been dead. I know they were killed
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  Speaker 2: between two and five That's what I believe now two
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  Speaker 2: and five a m. But can you imagine it? Because
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  Speaker 2: we believe the husband was shot at least twice with
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  Speaker 2: a nine Can you imagine the damage done to his body?
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  Speaker 2: The wife shot once we believe same weapon. Find that
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  Speaker 2: and the children are there. They had to break in.
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  Speaker 2: They had to get into the home themselves instead of
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  Speaker 2: police doing it.
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  Speaker 8: And as I re listened, to it. What a great
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  Speaker 8: group of friends. They're not impatient saying.
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  Speaker 7: Where the heck are you? We've been calling.
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  Speaker 8: No, they take matters into their own hands. And you
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  Speaker 8: could almost sense that he's saying something in code to
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  Speaker 8: the dispatcher meaning no, it's a body, meaning it's the
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  Speaker 8: young girl nearby, the four year old. Because he's not
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  Speaker 8: saying Spencer, he's not saying Monique. Maybe she would think
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  Speaker 8: mommy and daddy. It was just I mean, the friends
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  Speaker 8: so close knit, and you could tell just by listening
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  Speaker 8: to those calls.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's something instinctive, especially once you have children.
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  Speaker 2: But when I hear a child crying, it just puts
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  Speaker 2: me on edge. I've got to get to the child.
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  Speaker 2: We got to find out what's happening with the child
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  Speaker 2: that never goes away. Once you have children and you
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  Speaker 2: hear a baby crying, I wanted to hear the baby
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  Speaker 2: crying in the background and the friend crying on the phone.
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  Speaker 4: What's changed the last person I talked to, there's a
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  Speaker 4: body's body, here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on
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  Speaker 4: one second, let me get you on the line with
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  Speaker 4: a medic. Okay, Heal Maligne, I just.
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  Speaker 2: Played you a snippet of that nine one one call
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  Speaker 2: where the friends finally since the cops don't show up
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  Speaker 2: and dispatches giving them the run around, they break into
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the home. They go into the home to discover the
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: two dead bodies of their dear friend and coworker, their
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: boss and his wife. I want you to hear the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: rest of that call.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: What's changed the last person I talked to? Here, there's
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: a body, here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: one second, let me get you on the line with
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: the medic. Okay.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Heil Maligne appears dead. There's a body. Our friend wasn't
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: can transphone. We just took a well of ship. We
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: just can't here in town. He appears dead.
• 19:06
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: A blood she's laying next to his bed, off of
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: his better than his blood. I think people user going
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: too more than that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 11: Okay, and hell he's opositly not bringing her.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like how to like like how to look you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: because it does he looks great and I can't look.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I understand, Okay.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I'm learning something new right there. Ron Bateman joining us
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: form a homicide and undercover nart and author of Opposing
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Size Ron killed in their beds because it says he's off,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: he's lying next to his bed, off of his bed,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: so the purp shoots them in their sleep between two
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and five a m.
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: It's really tragic, and I really feel sorry for the
• 19:54
  Speaker 12: kids that they're gonna have to deal with this the
• 19:56
  Speaker 12: rest of their life. At least the four year old
• 19:58
  Speaker 12: probably will end. The co workers and yeah, the whole
• 20:04
  Speaker 12: thing is sad. And I got to talk about dispatchers.
• 20:06
  Speaker 12: The turn of a rate for dispatchers and police departments
• 20:09
  Speaker 12: is incredibly high because of the numerous hours that they
• 20:13
  Speaker 12: work because lack of staff, they have to work automatic
• 20:17
  Speaker 12: over time. I'm married to a former dispatcher. I've heard it.
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: I know all about it. I know about the downfalls
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: of their their empathy that they some of them lack.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: Some of them are very it's you know, it's a
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: it's a job that they treasure and they they speak
• 20:32
  Speaker 12: to every person like it's their family member. But some
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: of them are just cold and just relay that I
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: don't give a crap attitude like this dispatcher did. Competency
• 20:43
  Speaker 12: is everywhere and definitely UH with the high term of
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: rate dispatchers.
• 20:47
  Speaker 11: Is probably.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Susan Hi. I'm learning something about the home and about
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: the murders they were killed. It's the eerie echo of
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the Rob Ryner and Michelle Singer Reiner murders, where prosecutors
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: alleged their own son murdered them in their sleep. I disagree.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I think they woke up during it because there's multiple
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: wounds to them, suggesting to me at least that they
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: fought back. That said, here the friend says he's off
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the bed. Is the bedroom downstairs or upstairs? Did the stalk?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Did the killer know where the bedroom was? Did you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: have to sneak around the house? And I say hey,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: because statistically, based on this scenario, a guy did it.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Do you know when you look at the homes, do
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: we have a photo of the home? It's an up
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and down. Do we know if the bedroom is on
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the bottom or the top?
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: The bedrooms on the third floor.
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: Nancy and you bring up an excellent point two ways
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: to look at this home. It was for sale recently,
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: so it was on.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: A website, real little website. Also, it's in their wedding video.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The video you're seeing of the home is from our
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: friends at WSYX, ABC six. So you're saying, you said
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the first floor or the third floor, assuming there's a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: basement first or third? Where is the bedroom third? Because
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: looking at it, I only see two floors. Does that
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: mean there's a basement? Is that what you're saying.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm assuming you kind of walk down into the
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: bottom floor.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: I looked at this home on the.
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: Real estate website and I could see exactly where everything was.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, third floor.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, so up on top, So all the bedrooms are
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: on top. That tells me something else. You know what
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It tells me, Joe Scott Morgan that the baby's room
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: is right there, likely beside the parents room. If all
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the bedrooms are on the top floor, right and they've
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: got two children, that tells me they're side by side,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: increasing the likelihood that they heard those gunshots, went those
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: gunshots and came looking for mommy and daddy.
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: Yeah. And you know, when you got babies like this, Nancy,
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: they'd be very young, you know, to keep them separated.
• 23:15
  Speaker 14: You know, when you're talking about a multi story dwelling,
• 23:18
  Speaker 14: you would want the kids right down the hallway. Mom's
• 23:20
  Speaker 14: going to get up in the middle of the night.
• 23:22
  Speaker 14: Dad gets up in the middle of the night to
• 23:24
  Speaker 14: tend to the kids, right, and so yeah, it in
• 23:28
  Speaker 14: proximity is key here. I think one of the things
• 23:31
  Speaker 14: I'm very curious about is what initially drew the attention
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: of the children, because you can hear them in the
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: nine to eleven call where they are actually crying. It
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: sounds like was it the fact that someone was going
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: around banging on the door to try to wake them up,
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: or did they hear something during the night and maybe
• 23:48
  Speaker 14: they'd been up all night. Maybe they had actually this
• 23:51
  Speaker 14: is so horrible, walked into the room where mom and
• 23:54
  Speaker 14: dad were. I'm sure that the door is easily accessible
• 23:57
  Speaker 14: for the kids. And here's the more senator thing. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: I think that Susan is right on the money here.
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: When you think about this, the idea that this structure
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: is multi storied, somebody has got very intimate knowledge of
• 24:14
  Speaker 14: the space, Nancy, and can move around in this space.
• 24:17
  Speaker 14: I think with comfort you begin to think about what's
• 24:21
  Speaker 14: being potentially perpetrated in here. And they're bumping around the
• 24:25
  Speaker 14: dark man, say this is somebody that knows this dwelling.
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: At ten eleven am, police officers are back at the
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: TEPPI residence. Securing the crime scene, Two adult victims suffering
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: apparent gunshot wounds are located and medic personnel pronounced Spencer
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: and Monique Teppe dead minutes after arriving on scene. Three
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: bullet casings are found, but no gun is immediately located.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: The couple has two children, ages four and one, who
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: are found unharmed.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppe now dead, their children orphans. Who
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: did this?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Blood hugely in the world. Okay, can tell he's obviously
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: not bringing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: What does a starter marriage that happened ten years ago
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that was over just like that, have to do with
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: a double murder.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: First, here's a clue as to who's the killer.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Take a look at this video that was obtained. This
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: is a guy, a single male, walking down an alley
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: directly behind the victim's home. Now, this alley is hard
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to find it that it butts up against the back
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: of the other street. You're seeing an alley On either
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: side of this pedestrian are the backs of homes, the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: fronts of the homes, or on two other streets that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: run perpendicular. Who's this guy and why is he walking
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: around between two and five am on an.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Alley a little known alley that's.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Only used by people that park in the back of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: their homes and walk in the back door.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Why is he there now?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: If you go to let's just say, for instance, downtown LA,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: people are walking around twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: That's not unusual there, it is unusual. Straight out to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix joining US investigative journalist. Officers finally show up.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Both of the tepees are dead. Spencer and Monique. Tell
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: me about the weapon, the bullets, the casings that were
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: found at the scene.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, there were three casings found and from the
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: police report, it appeared at Spencer had been shot twice,
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: Monique once.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: So in the beginning I was thinking, Okay, not a
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: professional hit.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: Everything was going on in my mind because there's casings
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: found at the scene, so maybe that tied.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Maybe police were able to use.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That or they will be able to In the trot
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: very eerie scenario, Greg Morse, somebody coming into your home
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: skulking around slowly, Brian Coburger, skulking around and knowing to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: find you upstairs in bed, just sneaking around, going up
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the stairs and finding them. That's creep factor. A jury
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: is not going to be able to ignore.
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, the creep factor is not going to
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: play well with a jury at all. You have someone
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: allegedly for maybe up to three hours, going through these
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: people's three story home, going in each room, maybe looking
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: at the kids, looking at them, and walking around, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: that's gonna obviously if that comes out whoever's in trial,
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: it's not going to go well for the defendant at all.
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: It's not a great fact.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Only praying Greg Morse for your worst nightmare to come true,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and there'll be nanny cams in the home home surveillance
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: that shows the purp wandering around, looking around. We learned
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: there are in the three casings. Yeah, you're right, there
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is at least one ring ton. I'm talking about interior home.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Interior home surveillance. We learned there are three bullet casings.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: They're from a nine a nine millimeter, and I don't
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: know if the killer thought to load the weapon with
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: gloves on, or did he leave a print or a
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: partial print on the bullets themselves as he loaded the gun.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is former military sharp shooter CoA
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Lauri Moore CoA.
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: What about it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: Well, Nancy, this right here is a nine millimeters round.
• 28:44
  Speaker 16: The top part is the bullet and the back part
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: is the casing. Now you can get DNA off this
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: casing by fingerprints and sweat and whatever else they have
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: on their hands when loading the weapon. So this is
• 28:59
  Speaker 16: how you load magazine right here. And also there are
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: certain marks that are left on the casing after the
• 29:07
  Speaker 16: round is fired. Now this is the pistol, a pistol
• 29:12
  Speaker 16: that this round can be fired from. The bulks at
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: the front and the casing is ejected out of the side. Now,
• 29:19
  Speaker 16: the firing pin leaves a mark on the back of
• 29:22
  Speaker 16: the casing which is unique to the weapon. Then the
• 29:26
  Speaker 16: extractor leaves scratches on the casing which is also unique
• 29:30
  Speaker 16: to the weapon, and the ejector leaves dense on the casing. Now,
• 29:34
  Speaker 16: all these marks can be traced straight back to the
• 29:39
  Speaker 16: weapon it's fired from, and that could link the suspect
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: to the gun. Can also link the suspect to the
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: casing based on the fingerprints they get off the casing itself.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Right, I get it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I see CoA how those prints can be left. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: want to look at that video again, the video of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: who we believe to be the pert walking down that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: private alley behind the home. Check it out, Saysen Hendricks.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Is it giving you a chill? Because he's walking along
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: just like Richard Allen did on that trestle bridge in Delphi.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Hands in pockets so you can't see the color of
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: his skin or any identifying marks or rings on his hands,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: hunched forward, head down, covering his face with a hoodie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's exactly what I thought of, Nancy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: As soon as I saw that, I went back to
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Richard Allen and what the authorities were saying, does anyone
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: know this person's walk, this person's gate And now that
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: we talk about the bullets, that also brings you back
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: to Delphi with descriations while that play in. But yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: the walk, the head down, I feel like that person
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: didn't want to be seen or caught.
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: Investigators get all available surveillance video from the teppy neighborhood,
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: focusing on the time between two am and five am,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: and really video of one person walking in the alley
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: behind the Teppee home. One car with an Illinois license
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: plate arrives in the neighborhood shortly before the Teppie murders
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: take place and leaves shortly thereafter, the license plate on
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: the vehicle is registered to Michael McKee, a vascular surgeon
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: in Chicago. McKee is also Monique Teppi's ex husband.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Dave mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. You can't
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: see his face unless they get his face on video.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: They've got to rely on the car. Tell me, do
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you think that they track that loan pedestrian on a
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: private alleyway behind the victim's home. You think they traced
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: him on cam from one ring cam to the next,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to a surveillance cam to a stop like cam, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: so forth and so on till he gets to a car.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Then they get the car tag. What do you think,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Dave Mac, I.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Think that's exactly what they did.
• 31:58
  Speaker 17: Now see, and once they were able to get that
• 32:01
  Speaker 17: license tag and find out the car is registered in Illinois,
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: they actually police track the car back to where it
• 32:10
  Speaker 17: is located and they actually find it in Rockford, Illinois.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Rockford, Illinois, they find the vehicle and isn't it true, Susan?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: They say there's evidence in the vehicle that shows he McKee,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the x the starter husband, had been in the vehicle
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: leading up to the time of the shootings.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: Exactly, and I'm wondering what that exactly is.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: But they seem pretty confident obviously that they connected him
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: to the murders, to the double murder.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Or at least to the car because Greg Morris, unless
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: they get.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: His face, you know what he's going to say, Oh yeah,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: somebody stole my car day before yesterday. I wasn't even
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: driving that car unless they've got his face in that
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: car or on that video, and they're going to do
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a lot more investigation.
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: Well, that's right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 10: They're going to need to connect with actual evidence if it,
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: you know, to go to trial and proof beyond a
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: reasonable doubt. Although you know, the cameras are everywhere so
• 33:15
  Speaker 10: all over this country, and it seems like that's what
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: they did.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: They may just follow from Illinois.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He's getting in the car.
• 33:22
  Speaker 10: And going he's covering his face here. But you know, people,
• 33:28
  Speaker 10: it's just like the ring camera on the house. It
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: appears there's only one in the front, not in the back.
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: People only do certain things and they think, okay, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: covered all bases. But if he's driving this person, the
• 33:38
  Speaker 10: ex husband, from Illinois to Ohio, there's a lot of
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: places he's going.
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: To be along the way. Getting out of that car,
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: similar to the Utah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: Story that you did a couple months ago where they
• 33:49
  Speaker 10: followed the car of the lady with her daughter to
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: the endpoint.
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: And this seems to be the case here.
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: And I'd also like to know if anyone went past
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: the front of the house because what would have gone off.
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: Ring cameras have a lot of information on them behind
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: the video as well, So there's a lot of leads
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: the police can put together, but they need to get
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: evidence to link it to him.
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: Fingerprint, DNA, face shots, getting in the car, things of
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: that nature.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: So this is just one piece of information that's generic
• 34:20
  Speaker 10: that they now have to link to an individual person,
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: and it seems like it's this ex husband, which also Nancy,
• 34:26
  Speaker 10: there's an important part for prosecution here is there's no
• 34:30
  Speaker 10: justification for this man to be in the area if
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: it's the ex husband. My understanding is the two children
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: are the deceased, not one of the children or not his,
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: so he has no reason to be around his ex wife,
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: no legitimate reason whatsoever. And that's another factor that will
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: go against this person if he, you know, this state
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: does continue to prosecute him.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You know, it could be something as simple as got
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to eight. What if they find one McDonald's receipt on
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the floor five hours before and he used his credit card.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: What if or he could pull a Jody Areas she
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: crossed the desert with gas tanks in her trunk so
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: she wouldn't have to go into in seven to eleven. So,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, it may not be as sophisticated as fingerprints,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: because fingerprints could have been from a week ago, a
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: year ago. Got to be something more recent connecting him
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: to being in that car up to the time of
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the murders.
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I tell you what I would do is I
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: would double back and go to where he lives and
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: check not only his ring camera, which he probably has one.
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: He's a you know, established businessman, doctor, and his entire
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: neighborhood and try to put that person that was in
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: the alley coming out of his front door, passing by
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: his next door neighbor, getting into his car, et cetera.
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: And you know, I've talked about just a million times
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: on your show about the transference of evidence principle. Every
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: time you go somewhere, you take something with you from
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: the scene, and you leave something there, DNA, hair, blood, spit,
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: gravel from that that road that he's walking on. There's
• 36:07
  Speaker 12: so many things, Prince, like we talked about earlier, There's
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: so many things his car that maybe the later search
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: of his car maybe had that that black hoodie inside
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: of it, his black tennis shoes. You know what he's
• 36:18
  Speaker 12: wearing is uh, you know it's pretty. You got jeans,
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: you got black and what.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: He's wearing may very well have blood spatter on it
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: as well. I'm gonna circle back to Joe.
• 36:28
  Speaker 13: Scott on that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, but.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: To Dr Bethany Marshall. Let's get right down to it. Okay,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: another thing, two words. Ohio Turnpike. He drove, if it
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: is him, three hundred miles to get there. He left
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: a trail. It could be he had a cell phone on.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: It could be the nav system, it could be the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: McDonald's receipt. There's gonna be a trail. It could be
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a licensed tag grab grabber on the side of the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: inner date of the Ohio Turnpike. He left a trail
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: like a snail. Trust me on this. He may think
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it's invisible like the smell does, but we can see it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Dtor Bethany, I've looked into this starter marriage and this
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: starter husband, and it ain't pretty. They were married just
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  Speaker 2: seven months.
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  Speaker 1: She filed divorced.
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  Speaker 2: She even paid for a private judge to expedite it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't because she left because she was having an affair.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't marry till sometimes later. She didn't meet the
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  Speaker 2: husband till sometime later. Incompatible. Okay, you're sitting down, doctor Bethany,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I hope you are, because when they got divorced after
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: just seven months, she instigated it. He says that her
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: engagement and wedding rings are his, and he wants twenty
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  Speaker 2: five hundred for the engagement ring and thirty five hundred
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  Speaker 2: for the wedding ring.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, big spender.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: That plus wait for it, he wants, I mean, put
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: it on a credit card. Go crazy, you know, break
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  Speaker 2: to your grand get crazy. You're a vascular surgeon. He
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  Speaker 2: makes like between five hundred and a million a year,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: but he wants those rings back or the money back.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And it says in the docs she owed him about
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: she owed twelve hundred dollars in miscellaneous debt and he
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: wanted her to pay twenty three percent interest on the
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  Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars. You know Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: Obviously I don't know this guy. But one of the
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: things about personality I know enough, and about abusers is
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: that they always feel owed. You owe me this, you
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: owe me that, And that kind of attitude could have
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: given rise to stocking behavior. I still want to get
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  Speaker 9: my pound of flesh from you, Nancy. That household had
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: a family dog.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that?
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  Speaker 9: So this has the shades of Brian Koberger, who befriended
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: the dog over a period of months so he could
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: gain access to the house. I don't know if that
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: dog barked. I just wanted to put that out there.
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  Speaker 9: But if we go back to the starter marriage, she
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: paid a judge to expedite the marriage. Here in the
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  Speaker 9: state of California, once you file it takes six months
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  Speaker 9: for the dissolution. She went to a private judge and
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: paid to wrap it up in six weeks. She wanted
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: to get the hell out of Dodge.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: The fact that then she remarried, found a great partner.
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  Speaker 9: We see all those beautiful pictures. I'm kind of wondering
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: what he saw of the new marriage. Was he stalking her,
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: was he following her? Did he see a picture in
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: the paper? Did he see the beautiful wedding video on
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: YouTube and it did it incite him to want to
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: punish her?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Susan HENDRICKX told me Dr Bethany that the wedding
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: was in the home so he could see the home,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: see where they were living. I bet that threw him
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: over the edge. Listen to this, Listen to this. This
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: actually got me very upset. These are part of her
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: vows that she stated at the wedding. I had quite
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a journey to get to you, countless bad bumble dates,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: wrong relationships and waterfalls of tears. And she finally found
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: mister Wright, not mister right now, but mister Wright. And
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: they had a family, two beautiful children, and now it's
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: all gone. The children are orphans. They probably will remember
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: the murders of their parents. And for what Bethany a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: starter marriage that happened ten years before. She's been married
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to her murder victim husband five years, so it's not
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like she left the ex for another man that didn't happen.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: She just left him because he's him ten years ago,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: and now well to murder them both.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, if you think of him charging the
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: twenty three percent interest on the ring. He wants to
• 41:20
  Speaker 9: get her to pay. You're gonna pay for leaving me.
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: I'm gonna get my pound of flesh from you. And
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: people like this, they kind of have an oceanic rage.
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: It kind of goes on and on and on.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: Stalkers they time doesn't matter to them. They could do
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: it for twenty years, thirty years, forty years. And stalkers
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: believe that they have a special and unique relationship with
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: the victim, even if that victim hasn't talked to them
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: in a decade. So seeing her happy, seeing the YouTube
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: videos must have enraged him and thrown him into a
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: state of you're rejecting me, your humilis, you're diminishing me.
• 42:03
  Speaker 9: I'm going to have to wipe you out because I
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: cannot tolerate that feeling in myself. You know one other thing, Nancy,
• 42:10
  Speaker 9: whenever you flash the image of Michael McKee, the cardiovascular surgeon,
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: I noticed that it says that he has been in
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: practice for twelve years, but he's accepting new patients. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: I don't know about you here. It takes months to
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: get in to see a great doctor like that. That
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: also tells me something might be going wrong in his
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: life and in his practice. That just seemed like a
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: little clue that that stood out to me.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't notice that, Doctor Bethany Joe Scott Morgan
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. I know you probably
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: teach at least one entire class on this, probably more,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: But boil it down for me. How close did he
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: have to be to the bodies to get blood spatter
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: on that hoodie?
• 43:04
  Speaker 14: He would have to be probably within about eighteen to
• 43:07
  Speaker 14: thirty inches, dependent upon the dynamics of the round. Where
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: when you begin to think about where the muzzle or
• 43:14
  Speaker 14: the end of the barrel is in relation to the victims,
• 43:18
  Speaker 14: this is going to be a high velocity event. And
• 43:21
  Speaker 14: what I mean by that is that when you have
• 43:23
  Speaker 14: blood deposition, it's going to come out in these very
• 43:27
  Speaker 14: fine droplets. And the higher the speed, the tinier the droplets.
• 43:31
  Speaker 14: And listen, if he thinks that perhaps with this hoodie
• 43:35
  Speaker 14: that he's wearing, he might look at it. And this
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: happens all the time, Nancy. He might look at the
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: hoodie and he won't see anything. But if we get
• 43:44
  Speaker 14: that hoodie, or the colleagues and the prom lab get
• 43:47
  Speaker 14: that hoodie and they begin to explore this thing, they'll
• 43:50
  Speaker 14: find those little tiny dots that are actually a derivative
• 43:55
  Speaker 14: of high velocity blood deposition. And they can be all
• 43:58
  Speaker 14: over the place. You can even find them in logos,
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: for instance, where they're kind of guarded or hidden that
• 44:03
  Speaker 14: sort of thing. You can find them there. And that's
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: gonna tell That'll be the tale of the tape because
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: once that blood is typed and then further you can
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: actually run DNA on it, that that's gonna be very
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: damning evidence. And if I could insert one more thing
• 44:19
  Speaker 14: here that reminds me of the Idaho Ford Nancy, do
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: you remember that video that those kids shot inside of
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: that house that TikTok that they did. It made my
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: skin crawl when I began to think that that perpetrator
• 44:36
  Speaker 14: in that case could be watching the interior of this house.
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: I think a lot of evidence, not just the physical
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: evidence that he that may have been transferred to him
• 44:44
  Speaker 14: or him back to the scene. There's gonna be damning
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: evidence in his social media because he's gazing from afar,
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: who's he's searching out. They start to look at Facebook
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: or any other social media platform that he's engaged with.
• 44:59
  Speaker 14: That's gonna be a big tail there. You know, you
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: can sit around his house and his dirty underwear and
• 45:04
  Speaker 14: look at these people and fantasize about it, and may
• 45:07
  Speaker 14: have been doing it for years and years, who knows.
• 45:09
  Speaker 14: We're talking about a ten year span, Nancy, And he's
• 45:11
  Speaker 14: creating this fantasy all the while he gets to get
• 45:14
  Speaker 14: an insight of this new home that they're occupying.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: There, Scott the defendant ex husband's starter husband McKee sitting
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: at home alone in his dirty underwear for the last
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: ten years, obsessing on the nique. That's doctor Bethany's billiwick.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'll leave that to her. Susan Hendricks investigative reporter quickly
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: upgraded charges extradition.
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: Exactly two counts of.
• 45:42
  Speaker 8: Aggravated Sorry about that, aggravated murder with premeditation? Would you
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: know that he drove close to five hours? So is
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: that the premeditation of talking about? But this morning the charges.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: Weren't graded.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: And he is in the middle of being extradited back home,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the home the jurisdiction of the shootings. If you know
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: or think you know anything about this case, please call
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Columbus PD six one four six, four five two two
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: two eight repeat six one four, six, four five two
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: two two eight. We remember American Hero Officer James Jackson,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Florida Department Corrections, killed in the line of duty, leaving
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: behind a devastated family. American Hero Officer James Jackson. Nancy
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Gray signing off goodbye friend.