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Patrick Lawrence über den Zerfall des Journalismus · Gegen den Strom

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  They're function is no longer to inform readers and viewers.
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  They're function becoms to keep readers and viewers in the dark,
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  you're Americans don't have an e sensorship and in the sobia
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  union we have sensorship we tell are newspapers in bruncasters
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  what it is there's a post to say you don't have an e sensorship
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  but every very with bin. The newspapers and broadcasters
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  report the x xame thing how to that work we have interedin to a
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  kind of grate Illusion i call of the Empire of pretend America is
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  the only contry and history that is able to runned global empire
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  and it's on people can't see it independed media i think can
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  grow in the space mainstream media have vakated.
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  Gegen den Strom zur Person Hallo, bei gegen den Strom heute
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  präsentiere ich Ihnen wieder eine Perspektive, die sie in den
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  Propagandamedien nicht finden. Patrick Lawrence.
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  Hat für viele große Zeitungen und Zeitschriften gearbeitet,
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  beispielsweise für die New Act Times oder für den International
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  Harry Torpion. Aber er hat auch für unabhängige
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  Medien gearbeitet wie The Nation, Consortion News oder
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  Counterpunch. Und er hat ein wunderbares Buch
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  geschrieben, Journalisten und ihre Schatten, das im Promedia
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  Verlag in Wien erschienen ist und ich ihnen sehr empfehlen
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  kann. Hello Patrick.
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  Hello Patrick. Journalists and the Shadows what
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  out the Shadows of Journalists. I'm glide we start with this
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  question patrick because i think it's probably the most original
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  ideen the burk we need to come to terms was what happens to
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  journalists. Psychologic Klee when they amt
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  or into what we call mainstream journalism, there is a there's a
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  assert of transformation. That's i don't think it's have a
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  bin ritten about in quate the same where i have tri to to do
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  when you beginn reporting or editing for mainstream
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  newspaper. You setaside sotly or otherwise
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  you setaside you're on thots you're on authentic juggments
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  and so fars and azum the thinking and juggments and they
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  the ideology. Ob your publication now II do
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  from young when i to develop to theme.
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  You are you here in there in minibox we all have shadows are
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  shadows are this parts of are selbst we upscure for the sake
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  of social convention conformity the coversions of employmers
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  employers and so on for one or another reason there kind of a
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  perhaps not clite the. Right term but like me stay with
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  that, they're kind of are private selbst ok, we all have
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  shadows the reason i develop the system is because in the case of
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  journalists, the the shadows because extremly significant
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  because it is win, it is it is win journalist develop there
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  shadows. There and upsure there authentic
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  selbst that the reporting becoms perverded distorted ok so the
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  Shadow we all have is is as consequentes in the case of
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  journalist that it does and have for other and my argument is,
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  this is a very critical and fundamental problem and
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  journalism. And my final argument of the end
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  of the book is in favor of independant journalism and in
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  terms props you're on the stand, it is it is independant media,
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  we're people, we're journalist can ons can be com one with
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  there shadows so that they are they're authentic selfs you can.
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  Like me, get back for moment to the journalistic personality.
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  That means what you say means that every journalist in
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  mainstream media as a split personality.
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  Is a strong term patrick like aatric term, but ineffect i
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  would say yes as i say in the book what happens in mainstream
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  journalism, we we turn they cared on as head in stat of i
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  think there for i am. We See I am, I am a Washington
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  Post Reporter or New York Times reporter or National Public
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  Radio correspondant i am there for I think I'm a washington
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  post reporter and this is and because i'm a washington post
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  reporter this is what i think a russia i raner what have you you
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  see and. Abbus freelance of for fifting
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  years for more, then fifting years.
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  And made experiences of that's such kind, you have an i dear
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  and you're coming to your editing chief and he will see oh
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  will we have to think about this topic a bit more next they
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  you're come again and he will see oh that doesnt fit all a
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  programm today and the thirty youwill.com up and bubble be he
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  will see. But this is you we should be
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  very care for at the fostay you have loon the lot and you have a
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  take the way of thinking of your bosses and you're rown mind is
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  this the process of transformation?
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  Yes, it is exactly in a in a condenceed formance exactly what
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  happens you you see some they a music itouch on this in the
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  burgwind. When a peace of journalism can
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  not be publish or broadcast because it is and ideological
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  transgression or something right one canaver be told no this is
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  this is not are ideology this is not how we want to pris.
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  Because as i call it, i as i call them fence posts, they're
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  not there, they're ons of us to be any fence post we's call it
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  as we see it and so on right, so it's always i metin this in the
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  book it's always oh we need a little more reporting there or
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  your sources are not quate ataquit or the raiding is not
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  really very clear it's always some.
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  Question of massid and and that's how they subvert good
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  work. In the You'll nineteen nineteen,
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  I've can serbia and inkoso that was a war against international
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  law and I'm it anin to you with the representative of the
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  International Organisation of Corporation in Euro and ask tim
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  is this. A it legal war and you on that
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  yes and he get me some reasons for that and i implemented this
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  interview in a report, it's was never broadcasted and they told
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  me arguments like doesnt fit the Programm today I'm all that they
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  that not one to broadcast that this was in a legal war.
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  Oder ja is this is the transformation of journalis and
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  related to the illegal wars of the west and.
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  As what what your discribing Here II see in the book is
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  there's this is certainly true in Amerika is so was true in
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  Europe i will certained is there is the grate unsayable ok.
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  There is the sayable and then there is the undisayable and
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  what what have in in your cases, some one articulate in in
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  interview some think that was not sayable you can not say that
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  was an a legal war so no broadcast right, I'm one
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  amendment in one think. This means the great project of
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  independant media is to make the unseable seeable.
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  What does the unseable say about the condition and a state of
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  west and societies? The West in my View Patrick Car
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  Sins, Two Thousand and one. That's my.
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  Nine Eleven. Datab datab deporture.
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  The West has vin Sins, Dan well America and i think by extansion
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  the rest of the western aliens as vin on a very defensive
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  futing nine eleven was an extordinary shock for americans
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  many different ways i explandies in the book, but but sins denn
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  II think. We have we have how do i say we
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  have affectively blind it are selbst sinsed and the grate
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  unsayable has bekommen extremly lurge we can not surf, we can
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  not funktion in the world in in onest fashion because the the
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  projection of. Of the of American Imperial
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  Power all just do is the term is is rather naked now, but as some
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  one cleverly point it out of you, here's a go america is the
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  only contry and history that is able to run at global empire and
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  it's on people can't see it. So we we we are we have interdin
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  to sins sins, Nine Eleven of cors, the West and most to
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  specialy America canabalus and i think we canabal be the feed it
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  so that we have interdin to a kind of grate Illusion i call of
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  the empire of pretend and you know.
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  Vest. Amones of reality must be
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  upsureed this pits journalists in mainstream media in a in a
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  verry peculure circumstance, they're function is no longer to
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  inform readers and vuers they're function becoms to keep readers
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  and vuers in the dark. I don't think that's an
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  overstatement that's actually what there doing.
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  When the great blindness start it with the attacks on the twin
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  towers on nine eleven that means generative that that this given
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  to us from the power elites on nine eleven is not true.
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  It's just generative, it's propaganda.
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  Ja, i choes September Eleven is my plaint of to parture.
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  For a reason that maybeepecular to Americans before nine eleven
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  for the the centuries of of Americas existance even before
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  independance arnold time be the english history and put it very
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  well and is memwar of is childhood.
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  History is what happens to is history is something on plus and
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  that happens to other people and that was the american attitude
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  and the shock of nine eleven was not merry the airplanes hiting
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  the towers and the smoke and the people to sending to there that
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  and so on and so for. This we're what we call in
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  literary terms. Objektive Co relative so this
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  we're physical manifistations of of an interrier state right.
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  We we play this tapes over and over and over for days right
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  because they are they are manifistations of of of this of
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  a psychological calapse it was and just two towers that
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  calapse. We we're suddenly we we're
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  family confronted with the reality.
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  We're not a mean from history, we're not exemed from time and
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  the ravages of time we're part of history and i think that i
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  think that was a suvir won to the american contestness and.
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  The power release for a quate shocked so far as one nose and
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  have have active as as any organizum doz in a state of
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  shock or or haveing systemed the runa as have active quate
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  aggressivly are sins. This is this is in i in late
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  phase imperium that's what we're going at and.
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  It's it's an usualy aggressive right and what?
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  You goso far to see that the power elits in america that and
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  some kind involved in the attacks of nineel owen.
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  You know I've Reese the for it of course one has hered this
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  things right there is realies, we're involved or what ever ok i
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  i've reese the for it, we're i. I know longer just misses ideas
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  II have opened my door to this ideas, but as a professional
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  journalist II have to stop and say we a way evidence of this,
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  but we can not this misses ideas.
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  That's we're i am, that's we're i am know.
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  Fading out events like neuneleven.
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  Or illegal wars mains Mainstream journalists a living in a bubble
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  of narratives and they can not see it is that right.
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  As I'm i offen get us the question to this is reporters
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  belief what they're sing or are they or are they we're that
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  there lie? The complicated ansor if you
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  talk to this people they have no they have live or no exposure to
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  independant media. They are so far inside what you
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  call the bubble that what they are righting and reporting
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  appears to them to be true, we have to go to a if i maya.
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  To another aspekt of of mainstream media, especially
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  Post, nine eleven, media newspapers procasters ins on in
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  amerika, there they're position changeed after nine eleven they
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  begin to think as as if. As if they do doing wartime,
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  they're function changeed, it is no longer to report with
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  distance on power as an independant paul of power, the
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  for the state and so on right that is no longer the function
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  there function is to articulate. In in the Service of power in
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  ordner to convay downward to readers and viewers, the
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  announcements messages prospective that power
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  authorizes to you to me. This lux like gros coroption
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  that's a good thing because that's what it is.
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  But to them, they're function has changeed and they're doing a
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  them. Good Job.
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  Serving you know in in there in this new capasity they are they
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  are the tributions of power you know they are the the messagers
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  down word of power, that's they're function and they by way
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  of they're ronseking they're doing rasing well out it, it's
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  supporting we get that. Clear, i always felt is part of
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  the editorials to them that everybody in the team nose.
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  What is not speakable? They know the point if that the
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  sate moment, they can not see the grate blindness of them
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  selfs. You're hi rate if I'm think a
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  Moment to till you will wunderful story i her when i was
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  in mosco some here's a go rather senior fellow who was a cate
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  important in the late so the apparage survive very well in
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  the transition. To the Russian Federation, Tell
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  me a story of two Russian, Two sovi a burecrats Hure in layins
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  in the Unine States for a tour druring the period of dayton two
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  state department burecrats to the marand to them to five
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  cities New York, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles in San
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  Francisco. They reached san francisco and
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  they have be com france that by this time, the for of them so
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  the americans turns to the sobiates and set of all we have
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  shown you what it impresses you and the sobiates replite well we
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  have been a grate grate distance in many different places.
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  And you're Americans don't have any centership and in the sobio
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  union we have centership we tel are newspapers in broadcasters
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  what in is there's a post to say you don't have any centership
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  but every very with bin. The newspapers and broadcasters
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  report the xxam thing how just that work that's your question.
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  That's the question and the once.
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  It's internalized sensorship in two is no in sensor self
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  sensorship we all no. I call these if your viewers
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  will in Dold me i call this the the fens posts.
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  You just no, we're the fans post sar and you're must not operate
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  be on them. If you don't know we're the fans
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  Post. Sar you're not going to get
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  hired you on the way and to one of this institutions new or
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  times what are you are exament you are and you you just no
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  we're the fans post are nobody has to tell you.
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  If there's any indication that you don't know there, they are
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  you want get hied and if you are hied and step be on them, you
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  will get filed. Yeah.
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  But some times the kind of there.
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  Is a. Absolutly ok, but some times the
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  kind of victions in mainstream media, i geting to strong, for
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  example that be can back to the midan q in you're crane and
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  faperory. Two thousand in fourteen in the
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  same hotel, we're german reporters.
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  We're located the snipers of the right sector, we're located as
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  well and partley they shot through the windows of the rooms
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  of the reporters. This they're a they did.
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  And this is documented and the great study of ivan kaczanowski
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  of University of taba. And he, oh he he he investigated
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  all that he talk to hundreds of people and he see all all to it
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  in the sign thing and off the that some reporters left the
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  broadcasters and the newspaper companies.
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  Because they can go on with there in a contradicions here's
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  what a the conditions we have to me to make this step we get out
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  of the system here's the way you it.
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  Yeah well, i think of you things and need merrit discussion here
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  one is the integrity of anygiven journalist.
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  We're all different and it it does take a out a certain, a out
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  of and hagority and courage on a stee authenticity a certain
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  relationship was your shadow to say i can not a byed by this
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  andy longger that's that's one factor you know journalist, we
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  musenton. We we just it miss on Miss on
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  just stand who journalist actually are there mo so was a
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  quate ordinary people tring to make a liveing now i've I've
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  move now in to a second factor. Ok, I'm Menschen it in the book
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  people have to make livings. They have children they have
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  schoolbills they have car payments and morgages and so on
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  right that's a very big factor in people in mainstream
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  journalism and it's a question of then it becoms a question of
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  tolerance how but disonesty can you tolerate and it becoms very
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  material as i say in the book, it's it's hard.
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  To explain this to readers or other outside the profession,
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  but and extraordinary factor a very powerful factor in the way
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  news events are are reported and and described in print, large
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  scale, global events. A very big factor coms down to
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  the financial obligations of the reporters II have to do it.
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  I have to i have to a bludge my publisher with this because my
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  boy is going to boarding school next mont and it have to be done
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  do see what I'm end so razer Razer small matters.
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  Figure quite prominenty in large events.
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  Given this experience is you toke me?
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  Do you think that the split up personality of inhabitance of
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  mainstream media could be reviews or all a mainstream
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  media journalist completely last.
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  I think most of them or probably completely last you know II like
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  at them and say II don't know what you're a journalist.
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  A journalist have sergen responsibilities and so on and
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  you're not for filling them one to be beter as a stock broker of
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  something you make more money, you're not doing and you think
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  terably construct of you're actually doings a number for a
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  destruct of things right. II think we in ordered ands of
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  this fully, we need to look at independant media in in the
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  context of your question. II think a lot of journalists
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  with be more interested in independant media they've got
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  hits on they're shulters, they generally no what's going on or
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  it least some of them do that's that's keep this in proportion.
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  But independant media do not at as we have them now it is very
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  difficult to make a living in independant media, and this is
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  one of the things i was archiving in or symposium
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  yesterday we have got to get a revenue model in plase such that
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  we can attrakt. Trained professionals series
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  people who are who understand no.
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  We are not going to be superswelsey superstars, but we
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  can make and onest living in profiled for or families and
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  still be onest. That means mainstream media
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  neats a model of revenue that is.
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  Making profits and a capitalisty conditions you.
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  Know I'll. Going to work.
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  That's the mainstream media model.
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  We have to fee your out a revenue model for independant
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  media, and we don't have one now i i'm going to say something i'd
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  be interested in your reaktion there there are independant
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  journalists. Who a who will anowns in there
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  publications, I'm not going to charge you if if you want to
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  paper this that's find, but i don't make you it's free, this
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  is a very idealistic and very find think.
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  That means the users of mainstream media must be so
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  frustrated about the cognitive warfare of mainstream media that
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  they would say. Yes, that's pay everyone's just
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  an amount to independ media we're get for.
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  We don't my point was to to offer work for free.
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  Is a is a very hi ideal, but i think it's a little destructive
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  if the plumer coms in to your house, there's he say to with
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  the end look if you want to pay me, it's ok i would like that's
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  and police you don't you don't have to we you know we have to
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  mic independ media capable of sustaining it self so that.
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  Good Professional Journalist Lucopon Independment Media and
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  See yes. I can't funktion in that
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  invironment right being invideed.
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  For lectures or discussion rounds, i always one to get a
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  bit money not not but a bit and them always telling.
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  I'm going to bossones and I'm risking my life.
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  To provide you and in dependant information, it's not birthless
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  it cast money, and please that's share the risk and the monning.
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  Yes and glackly I'm can i i'm speaking from personal
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  experience, but one i just custes was also III like to
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  remind them. I'm not speaking my way of
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  complate that the problem I'm talking about it is my problem
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  personaly is my home experience, but i'm speaking more broadly
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  for for the the the health of independment media and and there
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  ability to system them soles you know there's a question of
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  professional standards we have to.
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  Bring independment media at up to very hi standards.
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  The samed standards is mainstream media by way of
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  teknykins on rate or and also remain truthful and faceful to
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  reality, but but we we need this, it's all mic stop was the
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  question of resourses at the moment.
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  My observation is that independant media because of the
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  corruption of mainstream media and, and we're as we saider
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  we're they play them soles in relationship to power at the
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  moment, the responsibilities of independant media are veri, veri
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  large. Have you if you like but they
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  are veri outsized to are resoures?
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  That does and mean they're not real that does and mean we just
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  that we don't have to bear is responsibilities we do, but with
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  the the resources are two scars and i want to at one more think
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  i don't think we're think this as a disgurriging situation,
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  we've must bear in mind what one we're talking about in media
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  we're talking about media that have a risn.
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  Sins Digital Publication bekam A Reality What The Mid Nineteen
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  Nineties so re reminder Soles Patrick This is really days.
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  There's a lot of growing to do i would say there's a lot of
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  reading out to do because there's a lot of faramone of of.
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  Amateuractivity as i think just to they a the question of
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  outsideed egos that they just get in the way right, so there's
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  a lot of development. There's a lot of meteration and
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  i think we need to reminder selbst it's arely keep going it
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  will.com good. Basic lean that means that be
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  have to recognice that also in independant media, we have to
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  see. If you want to hia a fifty
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  dollar, a reporter you have to pay fifty dollars if you want to
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  get to ten dollar reporter you have to pay ten dollars, but you
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  can't get a fifty dollar reporter for ten.
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  Only. For ten Box also.
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  That is my form the light learn this one.
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  I was i edit of the Asian Edition of the international
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  have all to be on my. My final Phase and mainstream
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  media it was after it was after that that i realizers there's
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  nothing more to be done and mainstream media.
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  I Love the Harald Tribune in It's Bad or days, but one in the
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  are times to get over. You're always we're a fifty
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  dollar reportor and mosty you're pade by tandal us.
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  How did you find your way to main to the independance media?
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  We'll going back to what i was just seeing my final days was
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  the Herald Tribune. We're afters the New York times
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  to get over prior to the New York times, take over of the
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  Herald Tribune it i'd been a part oner but it to over the
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  entire sing two thousand for two thousand five.
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  It transform, I'm in the the herald trip was a very special
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  paper was american, but the head office was in parrs it had a
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  very worldly perspektive, it was and so subjected to american
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  ideological pressers and so on it was a it was a very singular
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  so of publication i had some very find here there.
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  But once to times to get over there, we're as i pot it in the
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  book. I think there are heral Tribune
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  people in there are new or times people and one by one i was
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  heral Tribune person one by one we we're all push to side and it
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  was a that plate that i cent you know there's not think more to
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  be done in mainstream media easer i easer i make my bargan.
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  And in away, we're just gusting are here II make my uncontinable
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  conformises and and be com every more disonest and order to get
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  page or II have to take a new direction.
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  It was a that point that i start it looking and independant
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  media, i was like to independant media I'm talking about now I'm
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  talking about. Two thousand twelve, two
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  thousand thirteen if it's late as late of and at that plate III
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  was a bit old School if you can hold it in your hands and smell
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  the ink, it's not that's series right, but II was very delight
• 35:42
  for me plasingly surprise when i started riting for independant
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  media. As i explain in the book, i was
• 35:52
  it looking for a new Voice, a new voice found me, i just
• 35:57
  govered this is i can rate what i really mean now in in notimore
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  authentic language that speaks directly to my readers that was
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  two thousand. Twelver Thirteen I's I for Start
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  in Riting in Internet Media. You last the Tribune because the
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  consentration prozess let to another contant is that right.
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  Yeah, I'm in consentration in Media i can that's your topic is
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  a very in cities. Phonomenon at this plate media,
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  so concitrate I'm not for there's any more concentrateing
• 36:44
  to be don you have the new York times you have dow jones and you
• 36:49
  have a fewather very large institutions that i'm an radio
• 36:54
  stations, tb stations, newspapers galore, small medium,
• 36:59
  the large. I are so the samesing is true in
• 37:02
  germany at elsware in your up. Aa it this this phanomenon of
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  concentration as ok newspapers in the standard western model
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  are two things they are businesses for bedar a wars they
• 37:27
  are businesses. But they also operate in public
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  space and they have civic responsibilities a well run
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  newspaper has do things in balance what happens when with
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  all this insess and takeoffers is they be compurely businesses?
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  They they need lect there responsibilities in in public
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  space, that's how i like to pudd it ok.
• 38:04
  Find to make a newspaper business every long
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  investigation is seen as a burdan.
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  How can you solf this? Problem well, I'm not sure can
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  be solved. In in mainstream media to wins
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  your question or in in a broad fashion, I'm not sur mainstream
• 38:28
  media as we have them now are salvageable by way of ini kind
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  of resteration of there integrity and so for the maybe
• 38:42
  but a lot of larger things with have to happen.
• 38:46
  In the societies where they are in bed it, i new awareness at
• 38:56
  the endvolar illusions about power and so on and and a
• 39:03
  resteration of media as an independant pole of power, the
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  tram for the state now i see in the book is it's an antic, it's
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  a dusty. It's a music ps that term can
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  media b restored as an independant paul of power yes in
• 39:25
  siri, but I'm not sure I'm not an all confident that it will
• 39:30
  happen and this is what i think the dynamism in our profession.
• 39:36
  Lies in independed media we have to setaside the question of
• 39:40
  resources with we we're just gossing earlier and just say
• 39:44
  where is on as joural is on taking plays right and and we're
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  is AA dtic and authentic identication to truth for work
• 39:57
  taking place it's in independed media and i think this is.
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  Why this is why i think the the future of the profession and
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  certly the dynam is in and vitality of the profession lion
• 40:12
  independant media. And I'm reading German
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  Independant Media. I see a lot of commentaries but
• 40:20
  last investigations probvery y that's that's why the the
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  investigations cost, what's my? It i expensive is so can you
• 40:31
  share this experience? And well in in in the American
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  Case you have you have kind of a mix.
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  Ok, i do comentary right II can't finance of a major
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  investigate of Projekt. I just cooled and i don't speak
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  strick the out of personal experience.
• 40:57
  This is true of the lot of us, but then you have exceptions and
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  i was say if i make exceptional exceptions right you have a
• 41:09
  website such as a publication such as the grey zone ok maybe.
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  Your viewers, we'll know of it. I if they don't i orig it upon
• 41:21
  them the Grey's on begin. I don't know ten ten twelve
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  years a go and it and it reached a kind of it deltor readership
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  they do print and they do they do language and they also do.
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  Right it reed, a critical mass of readers such that they
• 41:52
  beginnt have the they acumulate of the resource is nesseserry
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  that was one think so they now can finance considerable
• 42:04
  investigations. I'm not talking about armies of
• 42:07
  people. But on to a projekt the way the
• 42:10
  new york times by but they do excelent investigate of work and
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  another sing patrick they're largin of so that people who
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  have information they one to leaker what every that they are
• 42:28
  kind of magnet, they will go to the grey so and sate.
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  I've got some documents for you so they it be comed so kind of a
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  self generate II the grase on III would menschen another one
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  Call Mint press mint press das exelent work they have really
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  sup cople of really superb or reporters once name is alan
• 42:55
  mcloud. Extra it when when alan mccloud
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  is publishing something i see is byeline i are i certly one a
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  readed rate away you know. Who will win the rase between
• 43:08
  mainstream media and a dependment media.
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  Oh that is not illusion or selbst a independant mainstream
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  media are not going away tomorrow.
• 43:23
  I think there function as. Fundamentaly changed as i
• 43:31
  discribed before they are a pendages of power political
• 43:36
  power, a burecritic power, a fendantal power, they are a
• 43:42
  pendages of power and they will continu to funktion in this way,
• 43:48
  but they will be understuded more at more by more and more
• 43:53
  readers and veuers. As that is they're funkioner it
• 43:57
  in visit the so we union it when probedo was asobe a publication,
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  but it it is it. I think it will be com more in
• 44:09
  more they are reckignise as official, so the speak
• 44:14
  publications right independed media.
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  I think can't grow in the space mainstream media have vakated
• 44:26
  and they have vakated a very large a mode of space in as i
• 44:35
  qualed the village green right the public square.
• 44:40
  Thanks very much patrick Lawrence.
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  OK, die Mainstream Medien werden fortexistieren sie werden als
• 44:48
  Propagandamedien weiterleben, aber den Raum, den sie
• 44:52
  freimachen, das werden, diesen Raum werden die unabhängigen
• 44:56
  Medien besetzen, hierbei gegen den Strom sehen sie Positionen,
• 45:02
  die sie in den Propagandamedien. Nicht finden.
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