Latest / Elon Musk Podcast / How to buy SpaceX Stock before IPO
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- 0:00SpaceX is targeting an initial public offering valuation of
- 0:03$1.5 trillion, a figure that would instantly make it one of
- 0:09the most valuable companies on Earth.
- 0:10Yeah. And just to put that into
- 0:11perspective, I mean that specific valuation is roughly
- 0:15equal to the entire current worth of Tesla.
- 0:18Wow. Right.
- 0:19So we are looking at a massive financial event, essentially
- 0:23positioning this upcoming offering to be a new flagship in
- 0:27the public markets. With all this value locked U
- 0:30before the company even hits the public market, how do regular
- 0:33investors actually get a piece of it without falling into
- 0:37massive financial traps? Well, the fundamental dynamic of
- 0:40wealth creation has shifted entirely away from the public
- 0:43sphere. Yeah, companies are staying
- 0:45private much longer than they used to, meaning the vast
- 0:48majority of value accumulation happens way before retail
- 0:51investors can buy a single share.
- 0:52Because in previous eras, I mean a tech company would go public
- 0:55specifically to raise the capital it needed.
- 0:58Exactly. They needed the public market to
- 1:00build their factories, hire their engineers, and, you know,
- 1:03grow their footprint, right. You could buy shares of early
- 1:06personal computing or e-commerce companies as a regular person,
- 1:10hold those shares in your standard brokerage account, and
- 1:13just benefit from the explosive exponential growth over the
- 1:17following decades. But now the private equity
- 1:20markets are so flush with institutional cash that
- 1:23companies can scale to absolute global dominance without ever
- 1:27needing to ring the bell on a public exchange.
- 1:29Yeah, and the frustration for the everyday investor is very
- 1:33real. By the time a company of this
- 1:34scale finally decides to offer public shares, it is already a
- 1:38mature trillion dollar behemoth. Right, the wealth generation
- 1:41that used to be available to everyone has been walled.
- 1:43Off completely walled off, it's accessible only to massive
- 1:47venture capital firms and institutional wealth.
- 1:49You are basically left fighting for the scraps of growth after
- 1:53the major multipliers have already been extracted behind
- 1:56closed doors. So the traditional rules of the
- 1:58market kept everyday people completely locked out of that
- 2:01early growth. They did, but we are seeing a
- 2:03structural shift with the introduction of new financial
- 2:06vehicles designed specifically to punch holes in that wall
- 2:09funds like the Ark Venture Fund and the private shares fund.
- 2:13They operate on an entirely different mechanism than
- 2:16traditional venture capital. How so?
- 2:18They allow regular investors to buy into private names like
- 2:22SpaceX, Open AI, and XAI with a remarkably low minimum
- 2:27investment. Like how low are we talking?
- 2:29We are talking about minimums starting at just $500.00 for the
- 2:34Ark fund. Oh wow.
- 2:35Yeah or $2500 for the private shares fund.
- 2:39They completely bypassed the old regulatory hurdles that required
- 2:43you to prove you had millions of dollars in net worth just to
- 2:45participate. It is essentially like getting
- 2:48AVIP backstage pass to an exclusive concert, but you only
- 2:52had to pay the price of a general admission ticket.
- 2:54That's a great way to look at it.
- 2:55You are getting access to the exact same closed door equity as
- 2:59the massive venture capital firms sitting right alongside
- 3:02them at the table without needing millions of dollars to
- 3:05buy your way in. Right, you get the access, but
- 3:07the mechanics of how these specific vehicles operate, they
- 3:10are known as interval funds, come with a massive trade off
- 3:13regarding your liquidity. OK, what's the catch?
- 3:16Well, taking your VIP pass analogy, it is actually more
- 3:19like agreeing to split a cross country carpool with a dozen
- 3:23strangers. It is incredibly cheap and it
- 3:26absolutely gets you to the destination.
- 3:29But you cannot just ask the driver to pull over and let you
- 3:32out in the middle of Nebraska because you changed your mind or
- 3:34you know, saw a scary news headline.
- 3:36Right. You are locked into the vehicle
- 3:38until the designated rest stops. Because you cannot just log into
- 3:42your brokerage app and sell your shares on a Tuesday afternoon
- 3:44just because you want cash to buy something else.
- 3:47Exactly. You can only sell your shares
- 3:49during specific quarterly repurchase windows.
- 3:52The fund managers set these dates in advance, and even
- 3:55during those specific windows, the fund typically only
- 3:58repurchases up to 5% of its outstanding net asset value.
- 4:02Wait, so if the broader market experiences a sudden panic and a
- 4:06large group of investors get spooked and tries to pull their
- 4:09money out of the fund all at once, they simply cannot?
- 4:12They cannot. The exit door is mathematically
- 4:14restricted. If the request to sell exceed
- 4:17that 5% limit, your request is prorated.
- 4:20Right. So you might only get a fraction
- 4:21of your money out. Yes, and you have to wait
- 4:23another three months to try again.
- 4:25So you are exchanging the freedom of daily trading for the
- 4:28privilege of holding private equity?
- 4:30That is the trade off, yeah. You have to lock your money up,
- 4:32surrender your control over when you exit, and wait for the
- 4:36corporate events to play out. But knowing how people are
- 4:39fighting to buy in, we need to examine why that valuation is
- 4:43sitting at $1.5 trillion in the first place.
- 4:46Yeah, the Core Drivers. Right.
- 4:48This massive number is heavily driven by SpaceX pitching itself
- 4:53as the ultimate infrastructure provider for artificial
- 4:56intelligence through orbital compute on its Starling
- 4:59satellites alongside massive military contracts.
- 5:03Wait, backup space based data centers?
- 5:05Yes. The concept involves using the
- 5:08satellite network to actually host artificial intelligence
- 5:11data processing directly in low Earth orbit.
- 5:14OK, wow. When you look at the physical
- 5:15limitations of building massive AI data centers on Earth, you
- 5:18run into severe bottlenecks very quickly.
- 5:21Sure, like power grids. Exactly.
- 5:23You have to secure massive amounts of electricity from an
- 5:25aging grid. Pump millions of gallons of
- 5:28water just to cool the servers so they do not melt and acquire
- 5:32vast tracts of real estate. And moving the compute
- 5:35infrastructure into space solves several of these physical
- 5:38constraints simultaneously. It does.
- 5:40You have access to constant solar radiation for power, and
- 5:44the natural environment of space provides a completely different
- 5:47paradigm for thermal management. Right, but this concept goes far
- 5:51beyond commercial tech applications.
- 5:54The United States Space Force is fast tracking a highly lucrative
- 5:58contract for a project known as Starshield.
- 6:00Starshield, right? Yeah, this is a military
- 6:02specific classified satellite network designed for highly
- 6:05secure communication and observation.
- 6:08And the catalyst driving these massive defense contracts stems
- 6:12from rising geopolitical tensions and aggressive rhetoric
- 6:15from China regarding Taiwan. Yeah.
- 6:17And when you look at the political landscape surrounding
- 6:20these global tensions, both left wing and right wing political
- 6:23concerns point directly to the necessity of these defense
- 6:26contracts. It's a shared focus.
- 6:28Impartially speaking, regardless of domestic political
- 6:31affiliation, the push for secure, unassailable
- 6:34communication networks in the face of international threats is
- 6:38a shared, heavily funded priority for global defense.
- 6:42This changes the entire physical structure of the Internet and
- 6:45artificial intelligence. It really does.
- 6:47It's severely limits the vulnerability of ground based
- 6:50data centers. If a traditional data center
- 6:53loses power due to a grid failure, or if undersea
- 6:57communication lines are physically severed by a hostile
- 6:59actor during a global conflict, the terrestrial network goes
- 7:03down. Which is a massive risk.
- 7:05But putting the infrastructure in space creates an incredibly
- 7:08resilient web. It opens up an entirely new,
- 7:11highly secure revenue stream that governments are willing to
- 7:14pay a massive premium for. Right, you are moving the most
- 7:17critical data processing and military communications off the
- 7:20surface of the Earth entirely. Placing it essentially out of
- 7:23reach of conventional physical attacks.
- 7:25Exactly. So knowing the massive potential
- 7:28value hidden in these space and AI infrastructure projects, we
- 7:32have to look at the structurally flawed vehicles investors are
- 7:36using to try and capture that. The traps, yeah, right.
- 7:39Some of these public market structures have deep
- 7:42mathematical vulnerabilities built right into their cloning.
- 7:45Retail investors are pouring money into exchange traded
- 7:47funds, specifically vehicles like the Private Public
- 7:50Crossover ETF. This specific fund holds a large
- 7:54position in SpaceX. Alongside standard public tech
- 7:57companies. You have artificial intelligence
- 8:00and social media giants that trade every second of the day
- 8:03sitting right next to private space equity in the exact same
- 8:06fund. And the theory behind the
- 8:08structure is to blend the stability and daily liquidity of
- 8:12public companies with the explosive growth of private
- 8:15equity, right? They achieved the private
- 8:17exposure through special purpose vehicles.
- 8:19Essentially, many companies created just to hold the private
- 8:22shares and then bundle it all into one tradable ticker symbol.
- 8:26So you get the thrill of holding private assets, but you can
- 8:29still sell your ETF shares on the open market whenever you
- 8:31want. That's the pitch, yes.
- 8:33But if financial regulations strictly cap and ETF's private
- 8:37company exposure at 15%, and this fund's private exposure has
- 8:41ballooned past that limit because the private companies
- 8:44grew so fast, doesn't that force a massive problem?
- 8:47Oh, it forces a severe mechanical risk, right?
- 8:51The regulations capping illiquid assets at 15% exist to ensure
- 8:55the fund remains liquid for the everyday investor.
- 8:58If a massive wave of regular investors decides to sell their
- 9:02ETF shares, the fund managers need to be able to sell their
- 9:05underlying assets quickly to give those investors their cash.
- 9:09And you cannot sell private shares quickly.
- 9:10No, there is no daily buyer for them.
- 9:13Because the private assets in the specific fund grew so
- 9:16quickly relative to the public stocks in the portfolio, the
- 9:19fund could be forced to sell off its private shares just to
- 9:22comply with the rules. They would have to trim their
- 9:24best performing asset, finding a private buyer at potentially
- 9:28less than ideal terms just to keep the underlying math legal.
- 9:32Which severely limits the upside for investors using this
- 9:35specific vehicle. It creates a highly frustrating
- 9:38scenario where the fund might be forced to liquidate its winning
- 9:42position right before the initial public offering actually
- 9:45happens. Exactly.
- 9:46You buy the fund specifically to ride that massive private growth
- 9:50into the public market, and a regulatory technicality forces
- 9:54the fund managers to cash out your chips early.
- 9:57OK, the ETF Rep has a major structural flaw.
- 10:00Let's look at another option. Yeah, closed end funds offer a
- 10:04different path because they do not face that same 15%
- 10:07regulatory cap on illiquid private assets, right.
- 10:11A closed end fund issues a fixed number of shares just once.
- 10:14It is like a limited edition release.
- 10:16Once their shares are out in the world, they trade on the open
- 10:19market between buyers and sellers based purely on supply
- 10:22and demand. And because the number of shares
- 10:25is permanently fixed, the price you pay on the open market can
- 10:28disconnect wildly from the actual mathematical value of the
- 10:31assets the fund holds, known as the net asset value.
- 10:35The Destiny Tech 100 Closed and Fund avoids the 15% rule
- 10:39entirely and holds a significant portion of SpaceX, but it
- 10:43currently trades at a 41% premium to the actual value of
- 10:47its underlying assets. Yeah, it does.
- 10:50Paying a 41% premium is absurd. It is exactly like paying
- 10:53$140.00 for a $100 bill just because you like the serial
- 10:57number on it. You are paying purely for the
- 11:00hype of owning the asset, not the actual fundamental value of
- 11:03the company's balance sheet. I actually see the logic in it
- 11:06from a different angle, really. In the highly restricted private
- 11:09market, some investors willingly and rationally pay that hype tax
- 11:14just to guarantee they have a seat at the table.
- 11:15I guess so. When an asset is this exclusive
- 11:18and tightly controlled by massive institutions, there is
- 11:21no discount rack available for the retail investor.
- 11:24The premium functions as the necessary cost of admission.
- 11:27These investors are calculating that the future growth of these
- 11:30tech monopolies will easily eclipse that initial markup over
- 11:33the long term. I understand the logic of
- 11:35scarcity, but paying this massive premium severely limits
- 11:40an investor's margin for error. Well sure, the underlying tech
- 11:43companies have to execute Florida State just to justify
- 11:46the entry price you paid on day one.
- 11:49If you start in a massive hole due to the premium, the company
- 11:52has to grow its fundamental value by 41% just for you to
- 11:57break even on your initial investment.
- 11:59That's the risk, absolutely. Especially since this specific
- 12:02fund pays 0 dividends, you aren't even getting a cash yield
- 12:05to cushion the blow while you wait for that growth to happen.
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- 12:17Thank you. So since pre IPO access is
- 12:19riddled with heavy premiums, liquidity lockups and regulatory
- 12:23traps, we should examine a strategy that actually pays you
- 12:26to wait for the event to happen. Yeah, this leads us to the post
- 12:29IPO income strategy. The Nuveen NASDAQ 100 Dynamic
- 12:33Overwrite Fund offers an 8.9% dividend yield, currently trades
- 12:38at a slight discount to its actual value, and will naturally
- 12:41include companies like SpaceX once they go public and join the
- 12:45massive tech indexes. So rather than fighting your way
- 12:48through the restricted private market, locking your money up in
- 12:51an interval fund, or paying a massive hype tax for a closed
- 12:55end fund, you position yourself in the public index where the
- 12:58company is naturally going to land anyway.
- 13:00Right. The mechanics of how this
- 13:02specific fund generates that massive dividend are highly
- 13:05strategic. Yeah, how does that work?
- 13:07The fund uses a covered call strategy.
- 13:10It holds the major tech stocks in the index, but it actively
- 13:13sells the rights for other investors to buy its holdings at
- 13:16a fixed price in the future. OK.
- 13:18By selling those contractual rights, the fund generates
- 13:21massive amounts of cash income upfront, which then passes on to
- 13:24you as that high 8.9% dividend. Hold on, if they are selling the
- 13:28rights to their best stocks, doesn't that cap how much money
- 13:31you can make if the market skyrockets?
- 13:33It does, yes. Yes, you are sacrificing the
- 13:36absolute ceiling to raise the floor.
- 13:39OK, to put it simply, imagine you own a house worth $500,000.
- 13:45You sign a legal contract saying someone can buy your house next
- 13:49year for $600,000 and they pay you $10,000 right now for that
- 13:54privilege, right? If the neighborhood stays stable
- 13:58and the house remains at 500,000, you keep your house and
- 14:01you keep the $10,000 in cash. And that cash is your dividend.
- 14:05Exactly, but if the neighborhood experiences a massive boom and
- 14:08your house is suddenly worth $1,000,000, you still have to
- 14:11sell it to that person for 600,000.
- 14:13I see. You cap your maximum upside to
- 14:16guarantee cash in your pocket today.
- 14:18This limits massive gains during aggressive bull runs.
- 14:22If a tech stock double S overnight, the fund has already
- 14:25promised to sell it at a lower price, so you miss out on that
- 14:28explosive peak. But it opens up a steady stream
- 14:30of income and provides significant mathematical
- 14:32insulation against market drops. Yeah.
- 14:34It really does. If the tech sector experiences a
- 14:37sudden downturn, all that cash you collected from selling those
- 14:40contracts cushions the blow to your portfolio.
- 14:42Exactly, it completely changes the strategy from paying a
- 14:46massive premium for pre IPO hype to getting paid a steady
- 14:50reliable yield while safely waiting for the stock to enter
- 14:53the public market. You are turning patients into an
- 14:56active cash generating position, letting the market pay you while
- 15:00the complex corporate events play out over time.
- 15:03Retail access to private tech giants is more available than
- 15:05ever, but avoiding high premiums and structural traps is just as
- 15:09crucial as finding the right company.
- 15:11Once these space and artificial intelligence conglomerates
- 15:14become the largest public entities on Earth, how will that
- 15:18massive concentration shift the balance of power in your
- 15:21standard retirement index funds? If you're not subscribed yet,
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